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Hi, Steve. | 00:00:32 | |
How are you? | 00:00:33 | |
Alright. | 00:00:57 | |
No, that's not him. | 00:02:16 | |
Sir, yesterday I saw him. | 00:02:19 | |
Maybe it was Tuesday. | 00:02:21 | |
Just be out of town again. | 00:02:23 | |
Yeah. | 00:02:27 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 00:02:32 | |
Alright. | 00:03:33 | |
Ohh OK. | 00:05:25 | |
Am I on? There we go. OK. | 00:06:05 | |
Well, welcome everybody. We usually will not nervous because our council meetings are usually just like. | 00:06:08 | |
One or two people, So. | 00:06:15 | |
Before we kick this off, I just have to ask, is there anybody? | 00:06:17 | |
That is here tonight just strictly to make public comment to the Council. | 00:06:22 | |
One, OK, we're going to we'll we'll probably start with that first because the way the council's agenda is. | 00:06:27 | |
Uh. | 00:06:33 | |
Pub. The public hearing is scheduled for 7:00 PM, so we won't start that till then. So we're scheduled to move right into. | 00:06:35 | |
Helping hands to work, which is the first thing on our agenda. | 00:06:42 | |
But will we, we are going to call this meeting of the City of holiday to order tonight. | 00:06:45 | |
And as as is our tradition, we always start with the Pledge of Allegiance, and we are. | 00:06:52 | |
Really happy and pleased to have our former colleague. | 00:06:57 | |
And District 4 representative, right? | 00:07:01 | |
Steve Gunn So Steve as as graciously agreed to to come up and lead us in the pledge. So if everybody if as you're able, would you | 00:07:05 | |
please rise? | 00:07:09 | |
Delete. | 00:07:19 | |
United States of America. | 00:07:22 | |
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and. | 00:07:28 | |
Thanks, Steve. | 00:07:37 | |
I should also also recognize Deputy Mayor Kanters come for one of the awards where we're grateful you're here tonight. | 00:07:40 | |
So item number. | 00:07:48 | |
4 on the agenda is public comment and since we only have one person and I don't want to keep you if. | 00:07:51 | |
You're not going to stick around. I'm going to open up public comment, let you address the council and then we'll move right into | 00:07:57 | |
the Helping hands award. So if you want to come up. | 00:08:00 | |
Uh, again, just give us your name and address and. | 00:08:04 | |
Right there. | 00:08:11 | |
My name is Matthew Tracy. | 00:08:14 | |
Ohh cool. Thank you. | 00:08:17 | |
Hello everyone. My name is Matthew Tracy. I live at 3030 E Middleton Way. I'm a resident of District 4. | 00:08:19 | |
I'm running for City Council against this scheme and talented woman. | 00:08:27 | |
I basically have an issue I'd like to bring before the Council that I think may be of interest, and it involves. | 00:08:32 | |
And I'd like to basically just quickly give you some context for what's going on, why I'm here, kind of explain the issue because | 00:08:39 | |
I think there is a public safety issue at hand. | 00:08:44 | |
And I've done a little bit of background things that and done some legwork. | 00:08:49 | |
To provide a possible solution that the Council is, if you find the issue of interest. | 00:08:54 | |
You're welcome to take a look at. | 00:08:59 | |
I as I mentioned I live in holiday and kind of see Morningside from my house and. | 00:09:01 | |
Every Friday I take my kids, uh walk down to Olympia Skills Gas Station Street Day. You can go buy Skittles and whatnot. And you | 00:09:07 | |
know the honor Pretty good. And so when I chose to run for City Council. | 00:09:12 | |
Started knocking doors and you know, ask people you know things that matter to you that I can help you with. | 00:09:18 | |
And I happen to know the owner of the gas station and it turns out he had an issue. He brought me outside his gas station and. | 00:09:23 | |
Went into a sidewalk that runs right in front of his, his place of business. | 00:09:30 | |
That sidewalk runs directly into a concrete wall and dies. | 00:09:34 | |
And there is no sidewalk for the entirety of that distance from Olympus Hill gas station all the way up to the park. | 00:09:39 | |
Every other major thoroughfare in our district has sidewalks on both sides. | 00:09:47 | |
3900 Health does, 2300 has, 4500 hundred has as well, except for this one section. | 00:09:52 | |
It's an incredibly busy Rd. | 00:09:59 | |
There's also a bus stop at the top and there's a small concentration of businesses. | 00:10:01 | |
So I started talking to the other businesses and they all share the exact same concern, the skills. | 00:10:07 | |
Find Eating establishment feels the same way. Wants to participate. | 00:10:12 | |
The nail salon place wanted to as well and I also called called the owner. | 00:10:16 | |
Of the building, and he said he's very interested in one as well. | 00:10:21 | |
Umm. | 00:10:24 | |
When we kind of initially looked into it, I kind of inquired if there was anything could even be done and was initially told that | 00:10:26 | |
no, this is a U dot easement. | 00:10:29 | |
And as a consequence, it's not really possible to put a sidewalk here. | 00:10:33 | |
The little checking it kind of turns out not to be the case. | 00:10:38 | |
UDOT takes cities like holiday to put sidewalks and everything all the time. | 00:10:41 | |
That they even have funds. I did a little bit of research and it's kind of thing that they from time to time take a look at. | 00:10:46 | |
I think the other concern, and this is just me trying to do a little late work to, you know, perhaps come up with a possible | 00:10:53 | |
solution. | 00:10:56 | |
I think the other concern was was as. | 00:11:00 | |
The easements changed over time. | 00:11:03 | |
That there was just simply an odd congruence of things. And still, unless somebody deeds their private land, there's no way to do | 00:11:06 | |
it. | 00:11:10 | |
Also turns out not to be the case. | 00:11:14 | |
I went out and got and I have it here. I was told I need to report this information through the manager. | 00:11:16 | |
I have a OneDrive link with pictures of all the people and written statements. | 00:11:22 | |
Along with my communication with the UDOT officials. | 00:11:26 | |
I'd be happy to forward if the Council feels this is something of interest. | 00:11:30 | |
To take a look at. | 00:11:34 | |
Umm. | 00:11:36 | |
Basically, it turns out that this section of Rd. has not been touched since 1958. | 00:11:37 | |
I was able to get the plat here. | 00:11:42 | |
And there's an 80 foot UDOT easement. We absolutely have the space in the legal right. | 00:11:44 | |
Put a sidewalk in there. | 00:11:49 | |
Final question of course is and and you know there really is if you go drive and look at it is a dangerous little spot. | 00:11:51 | |
And you know, when you're at the, you know, these businesses, I walk there all the time and I don't go up and down because there's | 00:11:57 | |
no sidewalk. | 00:12:00 | |
Dangerous. | 00:12:03 | |
So I I think there's. | 00:12:04 | |
Clear need for this. | 00:12:07 | |
I imagine as a council he's very you have to prioritize things. Things cost money. | 00:12:10 | |
But I have also done some legwork and I think there's a real opportunity to use other people's funds potentially. | 00:12:15 | |
I think one of the final thing if council decides to consider this issue and could be aware of, but I do think there is a certain | 00:12:21 | |
element of here of. | 00:12:24 | |
This ain't my problem. | 00:12:28 | |
When I called you dot, there was an initial. Well, we can't do it. | 00:12:30 | |
Had to find people that were willing to go the extra mile. | 00:12:33 | |
I think if people on the council and you dot were actually to kind of make an effort, I think there is a solution to be had here | 00:12:37 | |
for very little money, so. | 00:12:41 | |
If you decide you're interested, I'd love to share the information with you. | 00:12:45 | |
Forwarded. | 00:12:49 | |
Be happy to thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. | 00:12:51 | |
OK. Thank you and and we will close public comment and we'll move to. | 00:13:00 | |
Item number three, which is our 2023 Helping Hands awards. | 00:13:06 | |
I'm going to read a statement in just a moment that that Holly Smith our our deputy, city manager, assistant city manager. | 00:13:10 | |
Wrote up for this event that kind of explains it, but. | 00:13:17 | |
Just to give you an overview, five, 6-7 years ago, however long it's been Ally. | 00:13:20 | |
We just. | 00:13:26 | |
Recognized as a council, we have so many people in our community that do so many things under the radar. They don't want any | 00:13:27 | |
recognition. | 00:13:31 | |
They just want to serve the community in whatever capacity is that they're passionate about and they choose to serve in. | 00:13:35 | |
And so we just thought one time a year. | 00:13:42 | |
We would. | 00:13:45 | |
Allow people in the community to nominate people they know that are doing this kind of work to receive what we ended up naming the | 00:13:47 | |
Helping Hands award, which is just how can how can we help our community, how how can we help the City of holiday and the citizens | 00:13:52 | |
holiday. | 00:13:57 | |
And so that that's how it all started. This is a little bit different tonight because typically we. | 00:14:02 | |
Have two or three. | 00:14:09 | |
Awardees, tonight we have 9. | 00:14:11 | |
477 PM Council member if if folks just want to visit a little bit. | 00:14:44 | |
So that's really the genesis of how this, this night started. | 00:14:51 | |
A number of years ago and so let me just start with with a description of what this is all about. | 00:14:54 | |
So thank you and welcome to to the Holiday City Council Meeting and the 2023 Helping Hands of Holiday Awards presentation. | 00:15:01 | |
The Helping Hands program aims to recognize individuals or groups. | 00:15:09 | |
Who are actively helping make holiday great through acts of volunteerism and service. | 00:15:14 | |
We are pleased to have so many special guests here tonight as we honor a few exceptional individuals for their efforts in making | 00:15:19 | |
holiday great community. | 00:15:22 | |
We will be presenting 9 Helping Hands Helping Hands of Holiday Awards tonight. | 00:15:26 | |
Since we have a large group of people that we are honoring, I'm going to highlight all of the award recipients in brief | 00:15:32 | |
presentation and I will call each person forward to accept their award. | 00:15:36 | |
At the conclusion, will provide an opportunity for award recipients to say a few words if they wish to. | 00:15:42 | |
Don't worry if you don't. If you haven't prepared anything, that's not mandatory, but if you do want to say a few words. | 00:15:48 | |
We we would welcome that as well. | 00:15:53 | |
So our nine nominees this evening? | 00:15:56 | |
We'll start with our 2023 Helping Hands holiday recipient of Natalie Bradley. | 00:16:00 | |
Natalie just called us and said something came up. She was. You won't be able to join us tonight, but. | 00:16:05 | |
Natalie was nominated by Cheryl Gilliland. | 00:16:11 | |
Executive Director of our Arts Council. She has been an enthusiastic. | 00:16:15 | |
Holiday Arts Council member since 2018. | 00:16:19 | |
And is finishing A2 year term as chair. Natalie created the children's theater program in 2019. So every year usually it's like in | 00:16:22 | |
May or June she puts on a little play and a lot of the kids join up and it's it's a great event. | 00:16:29 | |
Ginger gun, We already met. | 00:16:39 | |
We already met Steve earlier. | 00:16:41 | |
Is also nominated by Cheryl. | 00:16:44 | |
She has been a member of the Holiday Arts Council since 2017 and finished her second term as the vice chair. | 00:16:47 | |
She created the Holiday Reflections in dance concert. | 00:16:53 | |
So Ginger taught for many, many years at Evergreen Junior High, I believe, and probably before that, privately. | 00:16:58 | |
And. | 00:17:06 | |
Coordinates an event, a great event. Usually it's in April, first part of April, usually over at Olympus Junior High, where she | 00:17:07 | |
brings in a number of dance companies. | 00:17:11 | |
And it's just a fabulous event. So we're we're proud to be able to honor Ginger tonight as well. | 00:17:16 | |
And Cheryl Gilliland, who has been nominated by Paul Fotheringham. | 00:17:22 | |
Council member, District 3 representative who has served on our Arts Council for many years. | 00:17:26 | |
And we're we're very we're, we're. | 00:17:31 | |
We're sad Cheryl's going to be leaving us next month, but we're happy that we had her. | 00:17:34 | |
For the time that we did, and she's just done a phenomenal job of shepherding the Arts Council into what had just become an | 00:17:39 | |
incredibly important committee to to our city. | 00:17:44 | |
She has served as the Executive Director of the Holiday Arts Council since 2017. Her exceptional leadership and organizational | 00:17:50 | |
skills of elevated the arts in holiday. Under her care all forms of creative expression of blossomed in our community. | 00:17:57 | |
Cheryl is leaving holiday in October and her shoes will be hard to fill and she will be deeply missed. | 00:18:03 | |
Lyman Losie. | 00:18:11 | |
Was nominated by Sandy Meadows. I don't know if Sandy's here tonight. I don't. | 00:18:14 | |
See her? | 00:18:18 | |
Lyman serves on the Holiday Historical Commission and is and is it a local Sons of Utah Pioneers member. | 00:18:20 | |
He has contributed to the collection of digitization of local history. | 00:18:27 | |
And called the sale of book on a book on holidays history to raise funds. | 00:18:32 | |
For a forthcoming community exhibit experience. | 00:18:37 | |
So just briefly, there's a couple of really incredible things happening in the city as it relates to our historical Commission. | 00:18:41 | |
We're going to put a few. We're going to place a few monuments. | 00:18:49 | |
In the near future, in what's called the Cottonwoods area, we've got 3. | 00:18:52 | |
Locations that historical commissions working on for that effort. | 00:18:57 | |
But more importantly, we've started we received a $600,000 award through TRC with a quarter million dollar match that we're going | 00:19:02 | |
to be putting together on a volunteer basis and with the. | 00:19:08 | |
With coordination with the City Council. So that money is going to go towards creating an historical walk. | 00:19:15 | |
Behind City Hall, as well as some historical displays inside City Hall and various kiosks around the city that note significant | 00:19:22 | |
historical events that have occurred in the city. | 00:19:27 | |
This is this is, I think it's phase one and two, Holly. | 00:19:34 | |
Of three. | 00:19:38 | |
OK, so there's actually a third phase two, but we'll have to work on funding for that later. But this is this, this was a huge | 00:19:40 | |
lift for the Commission and the city. | 00:19:44 | |
And is is going to really bless this city for years to come once it's in, but that process is now starting. I think we put out an | 00:19:49 | |
RFP for. | 00:19:53 | |
Creation of of those particular displays in historical walk, so that's line and Rosie. | 00:19:57 | |
2023 Helping hands the holiday recipient Barbara Thornton, nominated by Andrea Wynn, who is the principal at Crestview Elementary, | 00:20:04 | |
I believe, is the PTA President for Olympus Junior High and has been very active on the Crestview Elementary PTA Board. | 00:20:11 | |
Her kindness, dedication and willingness to help inspire those around her. | 00:20:19 | |
Barbs. Incredible support. Boys up our teachers. | 00:20:23 | |
Our students. | 00:20:26 | |
And our community. | 00:20:28 | |
And I was just talking with Barbara earlier and I I had trying to remember what our connection was, but it was through a. | 00:20:29 | |
A Zoom call with Lauren Anderson, right? | 00:20:37 | |
Talking about. | 00:20:41 | |
How do we get a fully accessible playground at Crestview Elementary and I'm trying to remember how, how all that went. | 00:20:43 | |
But I think the message was it's really difficult to do and good luck. I hope you can raise the kind of money you're talking | 00:20:52 | |
about. And she just told me that they've got the first phase approved and they're going to put it in. | 00:20:56 | |
Which is this incredible accomplishment from a volunteer basis, but also. | 00:21:01 | |
For the Crestview community and kids that can now fully have access to that playground. | 00:21:06 | |
So kudos to you and your I know it was a big team, big team left, right? | 00:21:13 | |
Yeah. | 00:21:18 | |
And she's got quite the fan club. Raise your hands. | 00:21:19 | |
That's awesome. | 00:21:24 | |
So, Kate Kaufman. | 00:21:28 | |
Was nominated by Jen Wonderley and those that know Jen is headed up to friend to friend youth group. | 00:21:30 | |
Volunteer group for I think 25 years, somebody told me at our last fundraising event. I hope I got that right. | 00:21:36 | |
Umm. | 00:21:43 | |
So Kate served as a friend or friend student president. She created a new website for the organization. Led the. | 00:21:45 | |
100 Friend to Friend student volunteers on various projects. | 00:21:52 | |
And continues to broaden her ability for community impact as a freshman at Harvard University. | 00:21:56 | |
So a real underachiever there. | 00:22:02 | |
Umm. | 00:22:05 | |
And this will come later, but as Megan here. | 00:22:09 | |
Megan. Megan. So Megan's going to be receiving that award in a moment for Kate in her absence. So. And Megan, thanks for coming. | 00:22:13 | |
Lauren Anderson. | 00:22:23 | |
Nominated by Julia Whitehead. | 00:22:25 | |
Is currently serving as the PTA president of Crestview Elementary and will continue in the role in 2024. She has she has led many | 00:22:28 | |
initiatives like a fundraiser to provide gift cards to low income families and grants for teachers. | 00:22:34 | |
Supplies. | 00:22:41 | |
She was also instrumental. We were talking earlier about raising funds and doing all the late work, the administrative work to get | 00:22:44 | |
that playground in as well, and you wanted to make sure she was properly recognized for her efforts. | 00:22:50 | |
Nominated by the entire Holiday City Council. | 00:22:59 | |
Salt Lake County Flood control. We have 4 representatives here, 3 representatives, and then we have the Deputy mayor here as well. | 00:23:03 | |
And we're so pleased that you would take some time to show up for this. | 00:23:11 | |
Because a lot of times you don't get recognized right. You get recognized for the wrong reason. | 00:23:15 | |
But Salt Lake County flood control went above and beyond for those that remember the April, May time frame and kind of the panic | 00:23:21 | |
that was going around our communities when we had 75 feet of snow up at Alta that all needed to come down and head out to the | 00:23:26 | |
Great Salt Lake. | 00:23:31 | |
They went above and beyond art. | 00:23:37 | |
To ensure our community was educated, prepared and responsive to potential flood conditions, we are especially grateful for their | 00:23:40 | |
creative and efficient use of the Public Works team members. | 00:23:45 | |
In addressing issues on Big Cottonwood Creek. | 00:23:51 | |
And keeping grades in other areas free of debris. So they did a lot of, a lot of work before that snow was coming down to make | 00:23:54 | |
sure our channels were cleared and then had teams on hand. | 00:23:59 | |
To help us with tagging we had. | 00:24:04 | |
Front motor or something down, down, behind, off of of Highland Drive where the big grade is where we had problems before with | 00:24:11 | |
Creekside Park. | 00:24:15 | |
So we're just really grateful for the work you guys did. Thanks again for showing up well past year. More in just a moment. | 00:24:19 | |
Ohh, I'm sorry I missed one. | 00:24:28 | |
Wendy Frank, nominated by council member Matt Durham. | 00:24:31 | |
Who serves on our tree committee as a member of the Holiday Tree Committee? | 00:24:36 | |
She spearheaded the Earth Day and Arbor Arbor Day celebrations. | 00:24:39 | |
Partnering with local schools, engaging students in the events with creative writing contests. | 00:24:44 | |
And bringing new tree plantings to beautify the community. So that's when the fray. | 00:24:49 | |
So congratulations to all of the award recipients. | 00:24:56 | |
We're excited to honor these remarkable individuals in the 2023 Helping Hands of Holiday program. | 00:25:00 | |
As I call your name, please step forward. Accept your award Award recipients, please remain at the front of the room. | 00:25:06 | |
And we will have a group photo once the awards are called. | 00:25:12 | |
You're also welcome if the nominee The nominator is here if you want to step up for the photo. | 00:25:15 | |
We would welcome that as well and we will start with Ginger Gun. | 00:25:21 | |
OK. | 00:25:34 | |
Just right over here, Ginger, We're just going to line you up. | 00:25:53 | |
OK, Paul, if you want to come down, next is Cheryl Gilliland. | 00:26:02 | |
Thanks, Paul. | 00:26:26 | |
Lyman Losi. | 00:26:31 | |
Barbara Thornton. | 00:26:56 | |
OK. Salt Lake County Flood Control, OK, Are you going to come up or do you want the whole team? | 00:27:15 | |
Bring him up. | 00:27:21 | |
OK, Wendy, Frank is not with us, but I understand Carolyn Griffin. | 00:27:43 | |
Carolyn, OK. | 00:27:48 | |
OK, Megan Wilchinski is going to accept on behalf of Kate Kaufman. | 00:28:04 | |
I believe that's. | 00:28:27 | |
Holly, where are you? | 00:28:28 | |
I'll believe that then, huh? | 00:28:30 | |
Yeah, if you guys all want to pull in, we can get one group photo. That'd be awesome. | 00:28:33 | |
So we we are not starting council till 7:00 PM. | 00:29:10 | |
And if. | 00:29:15 | |
Certainly no pressure, but if any of their recipients would want to say a few words, you're certainly welcome. | 00:29:17 | |
We'll just take you one at a time. | 00:29:23 | |
You want to come on up, come on up. | 00:29:25 | |
Alright, I'm here on behalf of my. | 00:29:31 | |
Good friend Wendy Frank, who's at a wedding in Ireland so she has a good excuse not to be here, but just on a personal note, she's | 00:29:36 | |
so. | 00:29:40 | |
And dedicated and enthusiastic, conscientious. | 00:29:45 | |
And everything she does is sits always. | 00:29:50 | |
100% and above. | 00:29:52 | |
So I'd like to read a statement that she wrote. So I'm going to read some comments that she wrote that I would like to share with | 00:29:55 | |
you, and I'll do that on her behalf. | 00:29:59 | |
Rabindranath Tagore, an Indian poet and philosopher of the late 19th and early 20th century, once said. | 00:30:04 | |
I slept and dreamt that life was joy. | 00:30:13 | |
I awoke and saw that life was service. | 00:30:17 | |
And I acted, and behold, service with joy. | 00:30:20 | |
It is been a genuine joy and privilege to serve on the Holiday Tree Committee. I share this award with our Tree Committee Chair | 00:30:26 | |
and spark plug, Travis Jones. | 00:30:31 | |
Ohh always gives 110%. | 00:30:36 | |
And whose guidance and inexhaustible support have been instrumental and indispensable. | 00:30:39 | |
I would be remiss if I did not mention the steadfast encouragement and support. | 00:30:45 | |
Given me by Mayor Daley. | 00:30:50 | |
And Selena Controlli, Sesley Madison and Assistant City Manager Holly Smith. Not to not to forget, ardent and dedicated 3 | 00:30:52 | |
champions Caroline Giffin and Dennis Roach. | 00:30:58 | |
It is during the Arbor Day celebrations when I derive the greatest joy in knowing that our efforts in the Tree Committee will | 00:31:05 | |
potentially not only. | 00:31:09 | |
And prompt not only the whole community, but young people in particular. | 00:31:14 | |
To appreciate the power and the benefits of trees. | 00:31:19 | |
And the vital role that they can that they assume as caretakers and the preservation of our emblematic urban forest. | 00:31:23 | |
I remain humbled and grateful for this nomination from the City Council member. | 00:31:32 | |
Matt Durham, our appreciated liaison to the big holiday City Council who wholeheartedly joins not only our monthly meetings but is | 00:31:37 | |
down in the trenches with us. | 00:31:43 | |
And a big shout out to the entire Holiday City Council for your sponsorship in this award. | 00:31:49 | |
His nomination was a jaw dropper and absolutely knocked me off my socks. | 00:31:55 | |
So my heart felt gratitude to all. | 00:32:00 | |
Wendy Frank. | 00:32:03 | |
Hmm. | 00:32:05 | |
Ohh boy. Well, I don't want to take anything away from our illustrious City Council. | 00:32:20 | |
But we all know that the Arts Council is the heart and soul of our community. | 00:32:28 | |
And. | 00:32:35 | |
The Arts Council has become a great part of my heart and soul as well. | 00:32:36 | |
What a wonderful experience to. | 00:32:43 | |
Worked alongside. | 00:32:46 | |
People who are just genius of what they do. | 00:32:48 | |
And especially my dear friend Cheryl Gillan. | 00:32:51 | |
Ohh goodness gracious, she's going to be so hard to replace. | 00:32:55 | |
Well, she we won't replace her. She's just always going to be with us. | 00:32:59 | |
That Cheryl, is the heart and the soul. | 00:33:03 | |
Of anything that we do, that is. | 00:33:06 | |
Well done. | 00:33:08 | |
With our Arts Council. | 00:33:10 | |
And I am so grateful. | 00:33:12 | |
For having had this wonderful opportunity, grateful for the support that we've had from our City Council. | 00:33:14 | |
And just so happy that this has been a memory that I will never forget. Thank you. | 00:33:23 | |
Thank you for this lovely award. I just want to recognize the hundreds of volunteers I've worked with. | 00:33:40 | |
On PTA and the literal thousands of hours that they have donated in service of our community. It is a really special place to be, | 00:33:47 | |
I feel like. | 00:33:51 | |
Everyone in here has probably had an experience with volunteering with PGA and it's. | 00:33:56 | |
It's pretty fun. | 00:34:00 | |
PTA is the largest and oldest. | 00:34:02 | |
Child advocacy group and the Nation and they get a lot of cool things done because of PTA. We have school lunch. | 00:34:04 | |
We have a lot of great programs that wouldn't have existed except for moms and dads and community members that have. | 00:34:12 | |
Decided to advocate and donate their time for our kids. | 00:34:17 | |
I believe. | 00:34:21 | |
It's really in my heart there is not a there's no such thing as other people's children. | 00:34:22 | |
All children belong to all of us and it is our responsibility. | 00:34:27 | |
To help them and teach them and support them. | 00:34:31 | |
And I think the people that deserve the most credit for that in our community. | 00:34:33 | |
Right now, our teachers and educators, we are so lucky to have such great schools. | 00:34:37 | |
And I fully support public education and that is why I have donated so much time. | 00:34:42 | |
To doing this work because I am so believe in public education and the kids. | 00:34:48 | |
And I want to thank my family. | 00:34:54 | |
Who are here and who have sacrificed a lot of time with me so I can do this work that I feel called to do. I'm really grateful. | 00:34:56 | |
To them, and to all of you, and to live in such a beautiful. | 00:35:04 | |
Place that club community minded. Thank you. | 00:35:07 | |
Thank you very much for this honor. It has been my privilege to. | 00:35:25 | |
Laid the Arts Council whole last six years. | 00:35:31 | |
And I know I have this reputation of people seeing how they didn't. I knock on their door and I say I have this idea. | 00:35:34 | |
And like they sort of run away. | 00:35:43 | |
Or roll their eyes. Yeah, lots of eye rolling. | 00:35:47 | |
But I have found Holiday to be exceptionally receptive to art. | 00:35:51 | |
I'm passionate about art. | 00:35:57 | |
I believe in its power to heal. I believe that it's power to join communities together, and I believe that it's power of sharing | 00:36:00 | |
stories. | 00:36:05 | |
Of the people I have met here and the stories I've heard. | 00:36:11 | |
Are very powerful and movie and I will not forget all the people I've worked with and I also want to give a shout out to the Arts | 00:36:17 | |
Council because. | 00:36:21 | |
Of a very odd job in the city, which is I work part time. | 00:36:26 | |
That we put on Betty Betty events, which we cannot do without volunteers. | 00:36:31 | |
So I cannot either do my job. | 00:36:37 | |
Without the help of the community and the Blue Book Festival we had, in addition to fire and police and other paid people, we had | 00:36:40 | |
70 volunteers. | 00:36:46 | |
It's a big festival, requires a lot of work. | 00:36:52 | |
And I the. | 00:36:57 | |
The people I worked with at the city of that fact was, I think, good friends. | 00:36:59 | |
We've done some crazy projects together and I am going to do it shout out. | 00:37:04 | |
For our public art sculpture, which is being installed over at the Plaza next Tuesday at 10 AM. | 00:37:09 | |
It is very large so you won't be able to miss it, but we will be celebrating it. | 00:37:19 | |
October 7th at our Plaza Fest, what we have the flat Air painters will be out there painting, we'll have live music, and we'll | 00:37:25 | |
have a ribbon cutting for the sculpture. | 00:37:30 | |
So thank you very much. I'm very honored to have this award. | 00:37:36 | |
When I was asked to. | 00:38:04 | |
To take part in in the Historical Commission, I had no idea what I was getting into. | 00:38:06 | |
But I'm glad I I did. | 00:38:13 | |
I come from a much different background. I've been in aerospace industry and. | 00:38:16 | |
And related with rockets and explosives and other things like that throughout the world. | 00:38:21 | |
And. | 00:38:27 | |
I'm a little bit interested in history and art. | 00:38:29 | |
And and so. | 00:38:32 | |
I've been so impressed with the the people in the. | 00:38:35 | |
That I've I've. | 00:38:39 | |
Been able to work with in the Historical Commission and also with the. | 00:38:40 | |
Art. | 00:38:45 | |
We've helped them and. | 00:38:47 | |
Back and forth and. | 00:38:50 | |
And I I'd like to thank my wife for putting it up with. | 00:38:52 | |
With me, what I'm doing with all of these women all the time. | 00:38:56 | |
And now you can see why they're there. There's such good people and what they do. I've been so impressed with this city. | 00:39:00 | |
We've lived where I'm not from this area, particularly the city. | 00:39:08 | |
And. | 00:39:13 | |
We've lived here about 50 years and in. | 00:39:14 | |
Wonderful place to live and. | 00:39:17 | |
You compare. | 00:39:20 | |
Our leaders here. | 00:39:21 | |
With. | 00:39:23 | |
People throughout the world. | 00:39:24 | |
In leadership positions and they don't come any better than what we're. | 00:39:26 | |
Have to help lead us. | 00:39:31 | |
Really. You're all outstanding. | 00:39:33 | |
And. | 00:39:36 | |
It's such an honor to be associated with you. | 00:39:38 | |
Hello, since I'm here on behalf of Salt Lake County and representing an entire division, I just wanted to say to introduce myself | 00:39:58 | |
Kate Moniker, Division Director of Salt Lake County Flood Control. | 00:40:03 | |
With me I have Bob Thompson. He is our watershed section manager and we were kind of the public face. | 00:40:08 | |
Of Salt Lake County Flood Control. | 00:40:14 | |
To the cities and so on. But I just want to say thank you to the mayor and thank you to the city of Holiday. | 00:40:16 | |
For every you know everything that you do in cooperation with us through these types of events. | 00:40:20 | |
And you hit on the mail. You know, flood control is a kind of a forgotten thing in the background. What a lot of what we do | 00:40:26 | |
happens at night and happens. | 00:40:29 | |
Out of sight, so it's really great to be. | 00:40:34 | |
Recognized for some of the work that we do and thank you to Gina and all you do. So just want to say it's it's great to be | 00:40:37 | |
recognized. | 00:40:41 | |
And umm, thank you. | 00:40:44 | |
OK. | 00:41:02 | |
Everybody has an opportunity. | 00:41:05 | |
Before I forget. | 00:41:08 | |
You gotta be beautiful boxes that those awards going so well. | 00:41:09 | |
Bring those out. Make sure you get one of those to put these these in when you head out. | 00:41:14 | |
So congratulations to Natalie, Ginger, Cheryl, Wyman, Barbara, Wendy, Kate, Lauren, and. | 00:41:23 | |
Salt Lake County Flood Control. | 00:41:30 | |
Individuals like you make this world a better place than we are so fortunate to have. | 00:41:32 | |
You be part of our community. Thank you again to our award recipients and their families and friends for being here with us | 00:41:36 | |
tonight. | 00:41:39 | |
Especially Barbara Thornton and her family while also showing. | 00:41:44 | |
You inspire us all. | 00:41:49 | |
So. | 00:41:51 | |
We again, we don't start council till 7:00, so we'll take a break here and. | 00:41:53 | |
The council will come down and feel free to visit for the next 15 or 20 minutes. | 00:41:57 | |
But I don't want to diminish the awards. | 00:42:02 | |
For the 99 recipients tonight. But the reason this award really came about is. | 00:42:05 | |
A recognition from our council and our staff. | 00:42:10 | |
That there and and I don't think you'll disagree with me. I think you'll agree with me that. | 00:42:14 | |
It's because we have, we bump into and we have literally. | 00:42:18 | |
Hundreds of people out in our community. | 00:42:22 | |
Every day doing all this incredible work. | 00:42:25 | |
That's just completely under the radar. | 00:42:28 | |
People don't notice it. They don't want recognition. They don't seek recognition. They just have this desire. | 00:42:31 | |
To. | 00:42:38 | |
You know, maybe it's spaced out of gratitude. I know it is for me. I feel so fortunate. | 00:42:40 | |
To be live in this country, to live in this community, to have parents, I've had all these things that that I really had nothing | 00:42:45 | |
to do with, you know, it's just just luck on my behalf. | 00:42:50 | |
But a lot of the people I run into in public service, all my colleagues here. | 00:42:55 | |
Catherine, you just run into these incredible people that don't have to do this work, but I think they do it out of a sense of. | 00:43:01 | |
Gratitude and a desire to want to do something, to want to give back in some way, which is why all of you are here. | 00:43:09 | |
So you make our community better. | 00:43:17 | |
We appreciate all you do. Again, thanks for coming and keep up the good work. Thank you. | 00:43:20 | |
Yeah. | 00:48:03 | |
Industry. | 00:52:50 | |
Have. | 00:56:29 | |
Open. | 00:57:10 | |
Thank you. | 00:58:20 | |
Yeah. | 01:01:33 | |
So I walk in. | 01:02:11 | |
OK. | 01:02:13 | |
OK, Sorry, the time got away from me at 7:00. | 01:02:21 | |
Sorry, John. | 01:02:41 | |
Make you do the audio visual. We make you move the furniture around. It's just messing up my punctuation. | 01:02:44 | |
Give them a raise or something. | 01:02:51 | |
That's true. | 01:02:57 | |
OK, let me get my bearings here after all that. | 01:03:01 | |
So I believe we're on item number 5, item 5 now. | 01:03:07 | |
So item number 5 is a public hearing on on the proposed rezone for property located at 4930 S. | 01:03:11 | |
Westmore Rd. From P to R110 Residential single family. | 01:03:20 | |
Umm. | 01:03:26 | |
So. | 01:03:30 | |
I think I want to have some discussion on this before we open up the public hearing. We'll start with John. John if you want to. | 01:03:31 | |
Kind of go through the staff, report with us and then talk a little bit if you don't mind. | 01:03:38 | |
I understand this went through Planning Commission Tuesday and it was voted Tuesday at Planning Commission. | 01:03:42 | |
Thank you, Mayor. Yes, Planning Commission did hear this just the other day. | 01:04:01 | |
For their public hearing on this rezone. | 01:04:06 | |
And the reason that we were hearing, the Council is hearing it so quickly. | 01:04:09 | |
Is a couple of issues we had with our own noticing processes that delayed the application. | 01:04:14 | |
By our own mistakes, so. | 01:04:20 | |
What should have been heard? | 01:04:22 | |
Couple of weeks ago, you know more than three or four weeks ago was just here yesterday by the Planning Commission. | 01:04:25 | |
And was voted to recommend a rezone from the P zone to R110, which is also the surrounding zone for that neighborhood. | 01:04:31 | |
Planning Commission did hear a couple of comments. | 01:04:42 | |
From the community and had a discussion on. | 01:04:44 | |
Various uses that would be appropriate there. | 01:04:47 | |
And unanimously made the conclusion that matching the zone that was in that neighborhood made the best sense. | 01:04:50 | |
For this for this property. | 01:04:58 | |
Applicant is here tonight I believe, and you can make a representation of what how his neighborhood meeting went. | 01:05:00 | |
Of course, bring it. Answer any other questions you might have. | 01:05:07 | |
Why don't we? Why don't we hear from the applicant? And then John, we may have some more questions after that. | 01:05:11 | |
Mr. Wheatley, I believe. | 01:05:18 | |
Good evening, council members. My name is Benjamin Wheat. We're the party that currently has the. | 01:05:30 | |
Church under contract? | 01:05:37 | |
We've been working with the city and for a rezone of this application and then. | 01:05:40 | |
If this application is successful on the R110 rezone, we would be. | 01:05:46 | |
Coming back into the city for a subdivision application, so. | 01:05:53 | |
Umm. | 01:05:57 | |
Like Rob said, we are just we're asking for a zone from the P use to an R110. The R 110 is what is surrounded. | 01:05:59 | |
By all of the neighboring houses around and in that area. It follows the general use map for holiday city. | 01:06:08 | |
Um, so if I if anyone has any questions, I'm happy to answer. | 01:06:16 | |
Any questions from council? | 01:06:21 | |
OK. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. | 01:06:26 | |
Yeah, I mean, in reading the staff report, I haven't pulled it up here, but it. | 01:06:30 | |
Well, I think the important things for me was what is surrounding it, which is our 110, right? | 01:06:36 | |
And the general plan comments basically say this application is consistent with the. | 01:06:41 | |
Is it the LDR, John? | 01:06:46 | |
And. | 01:06:50 | |
They're allowed. They would be allowed 10 units under under that. | 01:06:51 | |
Uh. | 01:06:56 | |
Rezone. | 01:06:57 | |
12 units under that rezone, but they're probably gonna apply for 9 or 10 or whatever it is. But they could get it would allow for | 01:06:58 | |
12 units on the two points. | 01:07:03 | |
83 acres or whatever the parcel size was. | 01:07:08 | |
Correct. If you were to calculate it at gross and then sort of assume what that road is going to look like as it goes through | 01:07:11 | |
there or they have to take out whatever the right of way needs to be? | 01:07:15 | |
Yeah, somewhere around, you know, 11 units might be the one that they land on. | 01:07:20 | |
OK. | 01:07:25 | |
And so John, I'm assuming the lot sizes will be comparable to what we're seeing on the surrounding. | 01:07:27 | |
Area yes. | 01:07:32 | |
It was the planning. I didn't. I did not. I was not able to look at my e-mail as the Planning Commission. What was the vote on | 01:07:37 | |
that? It was 60. | 01:07:41 | |
Unanimous, yeah. | 01:07:45 | |
Any other questions from? | 01:07:48 | |
Council. | 01:07:50 | |
OK. | 01:07:54 | |
With that, I'm going to open the public hearing, So public hearing is now open if you wish to address the Council on this rezone | 01:07:55 | |
application. | 01:07:58 | |
Please come up to the podium and just give us your name and address. | 01:08:02 | |
And try to keep it to 3 minutes or less if possible. Thank you. | 01:08:07 | |
Good evening. | 01:08:15 | |
This is new to me. I feel very passionate and. | 01:08:17 | |
I found it in my mailbox. Your name and address please. So sorry, Linda Waters and I'm at 4850 S Kings Row and Woodbridge | 01:08:21 | |
Condominiums. | 01:08:27 | |
I happened to get a postcard because I lived within 500 feet of the property that mentioned. | 01:08:33 | |
And I thought, what about the rest of the neighbors and? | 01:08:40 | |
I didn't get any invitation to a neighborhood gathering to discuss it. | 01:08:45 | |
I came across this and I thought well. | 01:08:50 | |
This is a neighborhood where I walk every day practically with my husband and. | 01:08:52 | |
And meet the meet and greet people all the time. | 01:08:57 | |
And. | 01:09:00 | |
I feel. | 01:09:01 | |
And. | 01:09:03 | |
Grateful that it's not a multi. | 01:09:04 | |
A family proposal? | 01:09:07 | |
And. | 01:09:09 | |
We live in a fairly high density area. | 01:09:10 | |
Just very close to to the property itself. | 01:09:15 | |
There's some. | 01:09:19 | |
Quite a few, I think there's nine different condos and. | 01:09:21 | |
Apartment units. | 01:09:24 | |
That really need. | 01:09:26 | |
Space to walk safely and. | 01:09:28 | |
And so I wrote, I don't know, last two days ago. Three days ago, I sent a letter in that was not included in the Planning | 01:09:32 | |
Commission. | 01:09:36 | |
Minutes, You know, Was it red? | 01:09:41 | |
I watched the live stream, was rather disappointed that my comments weren't heard. | 01:09:43 | |
Umm. | 01:09:48 | |
So I did submit them and I don't know if everyone on the council had a chance to read them over. | 01:09:50 | |
OK. | 01:09:56 | |
Yeah, that's helpful to know. So as you could see if you did read over that, it was, it was lengthy and passionate, but I think | 01:09:57 | |
the points were not. | 01:10:02 | |
Umm. | 01:10:07 | |
Were intended to reflect. | 01:10:08 | |
Maybe a long term approach to looking at open space? | 01:10:12 | |
And community potential for. | 01:10:16 | |
People to gather. I would hope that we would keep it as a public. | 01:10:20 | |
Property and not have it turned over to a residential. | 01:10:25 | |
There's a lot of history in the area. There's a church itself was built. | 01:10:30 | |
Understand in the 60s and by the residents who lived in the neighborhood. | 01:10:35 | |
Umm. | 01:10:40 | |
And think that there's. | 01:10:42 | |
Lots of streets in the area that aren't necessarily safe for families to be walking without. Sidewalks in the streets and. | 01:10:44 | |
While we have large county park. | 01:10:53 | |
It's not really safe there either when it comes to being hit in the head with a Frisbee as a Frisbee golf course, that's. | 01:10:55 | |
In the open space. | 01:11:03 | |
It's lovely and beautiful and. | 01:11:05 | |
Quite frankly, we moved to the area because we were very attracted to what Holiday City has done for the community. | 01:11:08 | |
In keeping it. | 01:11:14 | |
At the time of here, very low density. | 01:11:16 | |
And umm. | 01:11:19 | |
Gonna be a great grandma. | 01:11:20 | |
My husband and I were just diagnosed recently with cancer. | 01:11:22 | |
My daughter died a couple years ago. You start to look at long term and. | 01:11:26 | |
What you want to leave for your family? A legacy? | 01:11:30 | |
And I'm not. I'm not convinced that having more. | 01:11:33 | |
More homeless? | 01:11:39 | |
And more density is really what's needed. | 01:11:40 | |
If you look at the plot map and the and the vicinity you'll see, you'll see. | 01:11:43 | |
That. | 01:11:48 | |
Within about 1000 feet. Well, we're 500 feet and we live in a condominium complex, so it's it's lovely to be able to have a place | 01:11:49 | |
that we can. | 01:11:53 | |
Hopefully have either a park or have a community facility. Keep it in the public's hands instead of. | 01:11:58 | |
And stuff neighbors. | 01:12:06 | |
And. | 01:12:08 | |
It's time for a change and have more neighborhoods. | 01:12:09 | |
Thank you. Thank you. | 01:12:12 | |
Yeah, just come on up if if you're here for public comment on this. | 01:12:17 | |
Applications. | 01:12:21 | |
Thank you for the opportunity. I'm David Moore. I'm at 4875 S, 1710 E. | 01:12:25 | |
And and I have some sympathy for the previous person who I happen to be married to. | 01:12:33 | |
Good thought that that said yeah, it was, wasn't it? | 01:12:41 | |
But that said, UM. | 01:12:45 | |
When you decide a problem, answer a problem. You always have to. | 01:12:48 | |
Evaluate What are your underlying intentions? | 01:12:54 | |
Now, if the intention is simply to produce more places for people to live. | 01:12:58 | |
It sounds to me like you've. | 01:13:04 | |
Done reasonably well. | 01:13:06 | |
If the intention is to provide. | 01:13:09 | |
Property for. | 01:13:12 | |
The joy of the people who already lived there. | 01:13:14 | |
Having. | 01:13:18 | |
You know, nine more families, probably. | 01:13:20 | |
Doesn't do much. | 01:13:23 | |
First time I visited Boulder, Co, I was totally blown away by the amount of open space there. | 01:13:25 | |
I asked why that was so. | 01:13:32 | |
He said in the beginnings there was a troublemaker who loved open space. | 01:13:34 | |
And he got on the City Council. | 01:13:40 | |
And he. | 01:13:44 | |
He. | 01:13:46 | |
Force them to buy open space and to leave it open. | 01:13:48 | |
And I think in the long run, it created great value for the neighborhood. | 01:13:53 | |
We moved here because of trees. | 01:13:58 | |
And a Creek. | 01:14:02 | |
In spite of the fact that we're densely put in, you know, the Salt Lake City area. | 01:14:04 | |
But you can't drive down Highland Drive today and not realize that a huge number of people. | 01:14:12 | |
Are being jammed in and that it's profitable. | 01:14:19 | |
And if the only concern is to create profitable? | 01:14:23 | |
Profit and more dense people and more taxes. | 01:14:27 | |
Well, it's a. | 01:14:32 | |
Reasonable. It's a reasonable compromise. | 01:14:34 | |
I just would appeal to you. | 01:14:38 | |
If not in this one, it sounds like it's far along. | 01:14:41 | |
Way that that one considers the value of open space. | 01:14:44 | |
Well done. | 01:14:49 | |
And to to create an intention. | 01:14:51 | |
To when opportunities like this arrive. | 01:14:55 | |
Arise to. | 01:14:59 | |
To consider open space. | 01:15:00 | |
As a value to the. | 01:15:03 | |
To the. | 01:15:05 | |
To the community as a whole. | 01:15:06 | |
As opposed to purely being interested in. | 01:15:09 | |
In accumulating war taxes. | 01:15:13 | |
And more density. | 01:15:16 | |
I guess that's the end of the speech. | 01:15:18 | |
Does it boulder sometime? If you have, you'll be impressed as well. | 01:15:23 | |
That somebody thought of doing something other than creating the greatest number of people in the smallest amount of space. | 01:15:28 | |
Which doesn't seem to me to be a good idea. | 01:15:37 | |
Anyway, that's thank you. | 01:15:40 | |
You. | 01:15:42 | |
My name is Jeff Mccomas. | 01:15:55 | |
I live at 1748 Fieldcrest Lane. | 01:15:57 | |
And. | 01:16:03 | |
Which is just around the corner from this. | 01:16:04 | |
We have Creekside Park, we have the Lions Club property. | 01:16:07 | |
And secret park or great places. | 01:16:11 | |
Close by to walk. | 01:16:14 | |
And enjoy open space. | 01:16:16 | |
I think. | 01:16:18 | |
That the purpose of developing this in 10,000 square foot lots, which is commensurate with the entire area. | 01:16:20 | |
Is going to be a plus. | 01:16:28 | |
It'll bring in. | 01:16:30 | |
New families. | 01:16:32 | |
Who? | 01:16:34 | |
Have a central area to to build a home. | 01:16:35 | |
There's. | 01:16:39 | |
A lot of going on in our neighborhood of either people buying houses, tearing those houses down and building more expensive homes. | 01:16:40 | |
It'll be an upgrade to the property. | 01:16:46 | |
And as a neighbor, I fully support it. | 01:16:52 | |
Thank you. | 01:16:56 | |
OK, I I don't see anybody else. | 01:17:06 | |
Here. | 01:17:10 | |
To comment on this, let let me just say that. | 01:17:11 | |
On the agenda we have a discussion of previous public hearings, so the Council will be discussing this openly. | 01:17:15 | |
I think in the not. | 01:17:22 | |
To distant future since we have a pretty short agenda. If you'd like to stay around for that, I will be happy to move that item | 01:17:24 | |
to. | 01:17:28 | |
The top of the list when we recess to a work work session. | 01:17:32 | |
And you can hear the council discussion on that if you'd like. | 01:17:35 | |
And with that, if there's no nobody else to address the council, I'm going to close the public hearing. | 01:17:39 | |
I would say that I I unless. | 01:17:45 | |
Something occurs in the in the work session discussion that I'm not aware of. I would assume this will be posted for vote. | 01:17:49 | |
On the October 5th City Council agenda. | 01:17:55 | |
OK. With that, the public hearing is closed. | 01:17:59 | |
And we are going to move on to item number six. | 01:18:03 | |
Um. | 01:18:07 | |
So my understanding on this one is that this was just the issue we dealt with at the last Council meeting and and. | 01:18:10 | |
We. We. | 01:18:16 | |
We need to add it to a couple other spots in city code, correct? | 01:18:17 | |
Right. Yeah. This is something that is a needful amendment that had some other sections of code. | 01:18:22 | |
That. | 01:18:28 | |
Essentially that aren't this chapter 13 which is the Our Your Land Use and development chapters. | 01:18:29 | |
Umm. | 01:18:36 | |
Those are the sections that were considered previous. | 01:18:37 | |
These this title 15 and 17 have to still have to do with bonding. | 01:18:40 | |
But there are other sections of the code. | 01:18:44 | |
That need to be amended. | 01:18:46 | |
So it's just informing other sections of the code to what we discussed last time, yeah? | 01:18:50 | |
There are other references to private bond processes that have really have not much to do with. | 01:18:54 | |
The development of land, but rather. | 01:19:00 | |
Stormwater retention processes. | 01:19:02 | |
Uh, what else? Just the the essential. | 01:19:06 | |
Collection of. | 01:19:10 | |
Development bonds. | 01:19:11 | |
OK. Any other questions from council? | 01:19:17 | |
Happy to take a motion if not. | 01:19:20 | |
Mr. Mayor of Approval of Ordinance 2023-11, Amending Title. | 01:19:22 | |
The type of listed in the agenda relating to removal of bonds for private approval is not essential for public safety. | 01:19:27 | |
I second. | 01:19:33 | |
OK, we have a motion in a second. | 01:19:35 | |
Council member Durham, Yes Council Member Fotheringham. Yes Council member Quinn. | 01:19:38 | |
Council Member Gibbon and chair vote just that ordinance is approved. Thank you, Council. | 01:19:43 | |
This is the item number seven is the advice and consent of. | 01:19:48 | |
The addition of four new members to our Arts Council, as discussed in the previous. | 01:19:53 | |
Work session if there are no CMF the pull that up. | 01:19:57 | |
Thought there were 544. | 01:20:05 | |
That's right. Yeah. | 01:20:10 | |
OK. | 01:20:12 | |
So you guys can see them posted up there. I'm gonna have to turn on my monitor, but any questions or comments prior to taking a | 01:20:14 | |
motion on the resolution? Just if I could, I just want to just so grateful to these people standing up for at this point I'm | 01:20:19 | |
confident they'll give great service. | 01:20:24 | |
Delighted to meet some of them for the first time, but they seem very excited to serve. | 01:20:31 | |
And getting my experience in the Arts Council and. | 01:20:35 | |
Delighted to have this view. | 01:20:38 | |
Fresh blood, as it were, on that Earth Council, and they're going to continue having a great time. | 01:20:41 | |
On there, it's council. | 01:20:46 | |
There's nothing else to make it. I'll go ahead and make a motion, Mr. Mayor, with approval of resolution 2023-26. | 01:20:50 | |
Granting advice and can't consent of the City Council for the appointment of these four members listed to the Holiday Arts | 01:20:58 | |
Council. | 01:21:01 | |
I second the motion. Have a motion, a second from Councilmember Quinn. Councilmember Durham, yes, Council Member Fotheringham yes. | 01:21:05 | |
Councilmember Quinn, Councilmember Gibbons, yes and chair votes yes. And we welcome those new members to our Arts Council. | 01:21:13 | |
Thank you, Council. | 01:21:21 | |
Item number 8 is consideration of resolution 2023. That's 27. This is basically counseling. | 01:21:22 | |
The elections in district. | 01:21:29 | |
Five and I believe District 2. | 01:21:31 | |
We only have one UH with the with the recent withdrawal of. | 01:21:35 | |
One of the candidates in District 5 that leaves one in that district. | 01:21:40 | |
Emily Gray, who's in the in the back with us tonight. Thanks for coming. | 01:21:45 | |
Umm. | 01:21:49 | |
And I think it was recently the legislation just this year was passed that basically gave councils the authority. | 01:21:50 | |
To. | 01:21:56 | |
Cancel elections. If there was only one candidate. There's a, you know, for people out there, there's a there's a real significant | 01:21:59 | |
cost to that and we had a lot of residents complain that. | 01:22:03 | |
We're spending all this money to send out a ballot with one person on it. | 01:22:07 | |
So anyway, this resolution is to count is to essentially cancel the the need to send a ballot out in in Districts 2 and five. | 01:22:11 | |
Mr. Mayor, I'll move adoption of resolution 2023-27, canceling the 2023. | 01:22:19 | |
You just pull elections for City Council members and districts to apply. Second, we have a motion and a second council member | 01:22:26 | |
Durham, yes. Council Member Fotheringham, yes. Council Member Quinn, Yes. Council Member Gibbons, yes, and chair Boat Chest | 01:22:31 | |
Resolution 2023 Dash 27 is approved. | 01:22:37 | |
Thank you, Council. | 01:22:43 | |
Mayor, should there be balloons come down from the city? | 01:22:44 | |
I'm pretty sure the legislature didn't say anything about that. OK. Seems kind of anticlimactic in a sense, but. | 01:22:49 | |
It is what it is. | 01:22:57 | |
All right, consent agenda. | 01:22:59 | |
So these are the minutes from August 17th. | 01:23:03 | |
Mr. Mayor I. | 01:23:08 | |
I. | 01:23:10 | |
Mouse, I move that we approve the minutes of August 17th, 2023. | 01:23:11 | |
2nd. | 01:23:17 | |
Motion and a second all in favor. Say aye, aye. Any opposed. | 01:23:18 | |
Minutes are approved. Thank you Council, and we are on the city manager report. Nothing for me this evening. | 01:23:24 | |
OK. Thank you, Council Member Durham. | 01:23:31 | |
I just wanted to mention two things about the. | 01:23:33 | |
Happy healthy holiday coalition. | 01:23:36 | |
We met this week and there were two really great developments. One, we heard some. | 01:23:38 | |
Really interesting data from the Granite School District about some of the. | 01:23:45 | |
Held public health markers in our public schools here in holiday. | 01:23:50 | |
And this data that we're going to be digging into a little bit more and using to develop some initiatives for happy healthy | 01:23:53 | |
holiday coalition. | 01:23:57 | |
And the other great development is we have an intern. | 01:24:02 | |
Was a very impressive woman getting her PhD in public health, and she's going to be helping us develop a strategic plan for the | 01:24:05 | |
coalition. | 01:24:09 | |
And so I can't remember her name. Hollywood. | 01:24:14 | |
Megan Bartley. That's right. So we're looking forward to working with Megan and having a. | 01:24:16 | |
A strategic plan for some of our public health initiatives here in the city. That's all. Thank you. | 01:24:22 | |
Yeah, it's been mentioned earlier going to have to have the the awards, but just reiterate that we've got the big. | 01:24:29 | |
Public art installation happening on Tuesday at 10:00. | 01:24:38 | |
On the Plaza and then following that on October 7th at the Saturday is when we have the official ribbon cutting ceremony | 01:24:42 | |
celebration of the installation of the new great piece of public art that I'm really excited to. | 01:24:49 | |
Share with the City of Holiday, along with the Arts Council. Lots of things going on in the Arts Council. We don't need to | 01:24:56 | |
reiterate those. We've been talking about it all day today, but. | 01:25:00 | |
Those are two big things. Did the actual installation installation on Tuesday 10 in the morning. | 01:25:05 | |
And then the party about it. | 01:25:10 | |
On Saturday, October 7th, folks will be there. | 01:25:12 | |
Thank you, Paul. | 01:25:16 | |
With. | 01:25:18 | |
Um, Community Renewable Energy Agency. We thought we would have the utility agreement to bring to you. That's laughing at me. | 01:25:19 | |
With our with you. Yes, we're still waiting for. | 01:25:28 | |
For Rocky Mountain power to. | 01:25:32 | |
Give it back to us and hopefully they won't have made too many big changes. | 01:25:36 | |
So we're still waiting. Hopefully, maybe in October. We'll keep our fingers crossed. | 01:25:40 | |
The other thing I was at great Harvest the other day and saw the little sign in their window. | 01:25:46 | |
Trying to get money for lighting the skate park. | 01:25:55 | |
And there's a little QR code that you could. | 01:25:58 | |
You know. | 01:26:01 | |
Take a picture of it with your camera and then it takes your right to Venmo and. | 01:26:02 | |
It actually works, so hopefully we will get the money that we need to. | 01:26:06 | |
Select the skate park before too long. So that was kind of fun to be part of that process and that's all. | 01:26:12 | |
Just just one item had conversations with. | 01:26:19 | |
Gina and and Todd. Earlier we received correspondence from residents up in Canyon Cove about. | 01:26:24 | |
Whole fleet of dump trucks which are traversing. | 01:26:33 | |
Gun Club Road. And that, of course, is a concern for the residents up there. | 01:26:36 | |
I I raised the. | 01:26:44 | |
Question of whether. | 01:26:46 | |
Obviously there are other things we can do traffic mitigation, speed bumps, whatever. But I I I raised the question, really a | 01:26:48 | |
legal question, as to whether the city could do something similar to what we did. | 01:26:54 | |
2324 years ago with the Cottonwood Mall property where we. | 01:27:01 | |
We vacated a strip of land on the West side of the residential St. Memory lane, for example. | 01:27:06 | |
And then and then conveyed it away, which would prevent any any legal access to this the public St. | 01:27:12 | |
From the mall property, at least on the east residential side. | 01:27:22 | |
Um, and I would be. I would be in favor of authorizing Todd to do some research to. | 01:27:25 | |
See if that could be an option. | 01:27:32 | |
Especially since there would be, you know, there be sort of developments unknown going in there over the next decade or so and | 01:27:35 | |
that way we would be. | 01:27:39 | |
In control of what at what access we could or could not allow, and obviously there could be some historical access easements that | 01:27:43 | |
are not recorded. | 01:27:48 | |
For historic uses, but I just think it would be It would be well if if Todd could. | 01:27:53 | |
Just take a look at that and. | 01:27:58 | |
Advise us if there's anything legally we could do other than other than our our interaction with the gravel pit owners with | 01:28:00 | |
Cottonwood Heights City. | 01:28:05 | |
Or traffic mitigation, I just think it would be. | 01:28:10 | |
It would be nice to know if there's something legally we could do to kind of just. | 01:28:12 | |
Put the finger in the **** right now, legally. So anyway, that's all I've got, and particularly since that's. | 01:28:16 | |
The border of the city. That's the border of the city now. | 01:28:22 | |
Exactly, and anyway, I just think it would be worth looking at looking at in any event. | 01:28:25 | |
OK. | 01:28:33 | |
Can you do that cut? | 01:28:34 | |
OK support alright. | 01:28:37 | |
Um. | 01:28:40 | |
Gosh, I don't have a whole lot that everybody else hasn't covered it other than I I should probably mention that Gina and Holly | 01:28:41 | |
Kane. | 01:28:45 | |
And addressed the TRC board presented to the TRC board. | 01:28:49 | |
On our application for skate park lighting and also. | 01:28:54 | |
To put. | 01:28:58 | |
New. | 01:29:00 | |
Pillars up. | 01:29:01 | |
Replace our fiberglass pillars, which if you've been out there, you can see. | 01:29:03 | |
They've been broken with with the stone that's basically on the benches as well. | 01:29:06 | |
And. | 01:29:11 | |
So that's moving through the process, but I thought I I thought it went very well and I'm optimistic that that hopefully we'll | 01:29:13 | |
keep our fingers crossed and get receive that award and then with the private donations that we've already received, it's a pretty | 01:29:18 | |
significant, I think we're up around. | 01:29:24 | |
29,000 or so. | 01:29:29 | |
28. | 01:29:32 | |
We'll be able to. | 01:29:34 | |
Gets that done after the first of the year, we'll we'll see how it goes. | 01:29:35 | |
Umm. | 01:29:40 | |
Gosh, I think that's all I have. And if that's the case, I'd be happy to take a motion to recess to work meeting. Mr. Mayor, I | 01:29:42 | |
move we recess City Council and we convene the work meeting second. OK, we have a motion to second. All in favor, say aye. | 01:29:49 | |
OK, we are in a work session. We are going, we're going to move across the hall. | 01:29:57 | |
How, how would you? | 01:30:03 | |
Is there a preference? Would it be easier to stay here, John? It would be Let's do it OK without objection. | 01:30:05 | |
From the Council. | 01:30:12 | |
I would like to move that discussion on the previous public hearing to the top of the list out of courtesy to those that are here | 01:30:15 | |
to listen to that discussion, if that's OK. | 01:30:19 | |
No objection. All right. So I'll be happy to open it up or if somebody wants to start on it, I'll go ahead and start. | 01:30:24 | |
District yeah I'm I'm generally supportive I'm I'm I'm. | 01:30:32 | |
I'm sympathetic to the concerns that were discussed in the public hearing. Part I I do want to make one clarification of those | 01:30:39 | |
clarifications. | 01:30:42 | |
That that despite the fact that it's P zone now, it doesn't mean that it's publicly owned, it is private property. | 01:30:46 | |
Owned by the church, not by the city. | 01:30:53 | |
And so for the city to. | 01:30:56 | |
Acquired as green space. | 01:30:59 | |
Real estate and holidays, you probably know. It's pretty expensive. | 01:31:02 | |
And so it'd be 1,000,000 bucks an acre just to acquire and then you had improvements. | 01:31:06 | |
And I think the primary reason I'm hesitant to to to. | 01:31:10 | |
Pony up A purchase of this property is that we've we're right at the front end of also. | 01:31:16 | |
Needing resources to improve. | 01:31:23 | |
Another. | 01:31:26 | |
Huge. | 01:31:27 | |
Piece of green space in the form of Spring Lane Elementary. | 01:31:28 | |
Unfortunately, we don't have to purchase that space, although we're not going to be owning it. | 01:31:33 | |
We do have an opportunity for a very long term lease and to use our resources to improve that property so that it doesn't fall | 01:31:38 | |
into goose habitat now that the school is closed. | 01:31:44 | |
And is not going to be maintained by its owner. That will fall upon us. | 01:31:50 | |
And so we'll be, we'll be acquiring the opportunity to develop. | 01:31:56 | |
Or improve? | 01:32:01 | |
Uh. | 01:32:02 | |
Is that about 12 acres? Yeah, What was that acreage? MSPs, 12 acres of green space. | 01:32:03 | |
Where Spring Rain Elementary currently is, and that's really where I'd like to preserve our resources for green space management | 01:32:09 | |
as opposed to acquiring expensive property for small pocket parks. I'm also grateful that the applicant. | 01:32:16 | |
It is that the application is only for R110 where sometimes we've seen. | 01:32:24 | |
These types of developments or applications come in where they really want to go much higher density and particularly given that | 01:32:30 | |
not too far away is RM. The fact that this is just being applied for 110 I think is one of those. | 01:32:38 | |
Moments that. | 01:32:46 | |
I'll I'll be supporting this application. | 01:32:49 | |
I'll make comment to Mayor I. | 01:32:53 | |
So, so the P designations are great placeholders for us and and it's similar to what the. | 01:32:56 | |
The resident said about Boulder City. Is that early on we we put all of these P. | 01:33:02 | |
Zones in place, but as Paul said, we don't own the land. | 01:33:08 | |
And and so the decision to whether to put a park in, for example, is is, is. | 01:33:12 | |
Financial. | 01:33:18 | |
Neighborhood and and proximity to other resources. Creekside Park courses just. | 01:33:20 | |
Were almost a Major League Baseball throw, or at least a hit. | 01:33:25 | |
Just up to the north and I just think with with that huge part, just so close. | 01:33:30 | |
And really, this is sort of a. | 01:33:36 | |
It's not a really accessible sort of area. I mean, it would definitely benefit the immediate neighbors, but if we were we were to | 01:33:39 | |
purchase this land, we'd be in a 2 to $3,000,000 just for the land, another million or two for. | 01:33:45 | |
Improvements I just I. | 01:33:52 | |
As a steward of public funds, it's just hard to imagine. | 01:33:53 | |
Allocating. | 01:33:57 | |
Three 3 + 1,000,003 to $4 million to put in a park that. | 01:33:59 | |
Is is almost redundant, Creekside, so close, And anyway so I'm and I I'm also thrilled that it's an R110 application rather than | 01:34:04 | |
a. | 01:34:08 | |
High density applications. So I think I'm generally in favor of the application. | 01:34:13 | |
Yeah, it's. It's. | 01:34:17 | |
It's hard to argue the app the merits of the application based on. | 01:34:20 | |
What surrounds it and its position in the General Plan? The General Plan language surrounding what the city says they desire in | 01:34:27 | |
that location, but. | 01:34:31 | |
I I think you guys have stated it very well. We were aware that this property came on the market. | 01:34:37 | |
And we had a discussion about it. | 01:34:44 | |
And as council member Get Given said that this discussion really surrounded. | 01:34:46 | |
The fact that Creekside Park is there but Big Cottonwood Regional Park is a is, I think. | 01:34:52 | |
Maybe 200. I want to say 280 acres. | 01:34:58 | |
And fish. | 01:35:01 | |
And on a very on a very high priority. | 01:35:03 | |
For funding from Salt Lake County that owns that property. | 01:35:08 | |
So I expect that the city is going to be very involved in what amenities go into the improvement of Big Cottonwood Regional Park. | 01:35:11 | |
Which is in very close proximity to this particular parcel, but I think. | 01:35:19 | |
And I, and I say this because I want to be sensitive to your comments about the importance of preserving open space, because I | 01:35:24 | |
think our Council. | 01:35:28 | |
Shares that desire too. But we also have limited funds we have to work with and when the Spring Lane issue came onto the radar and | 01:35:32 | |
we started talking with Granite School District, our number one priority was. | 01:35:38 | |
Making sure we could work with Granite School District to preserve that 12 1/2 acres. | 01:35:44 | |
Which also will involve a significant. | 01:35:49 | |
Investment. | 01:35:53 | |
To first of all improve that will involve the community if if we can get this lease done look and I keep looking at Todd like. | 01:35:54 | |
Ready for spotting but if we can get this, please put together this agreement put together with credit school district and we're | 01:36:03 | |
confident we can. | 01:36:07 | |
We all anticipate this significant investment to improve that into the and amenitized it to the desires of the residents of | 01:36:11 | |
holiday, but also. | 01:36:16 | |
Have to be sensitive to the fact that there's going to be an ongoing investment to maintain that site long term and that's really. | 01:36:22 | |
What happened was we ended up pushing our priority to that, but part of it ended up being too It's the fact that you got to. | 01:36:29 | |
Purchased property. You got to purchase it as well before you amenitized it in this particular case. So really became about. | 01:36:37 | |
How much resource we have available to us to preserve open space and. | 01:36:45 | |
And the proximity of Spring Lane. | 01:36:49 | |
You know, the amount of residents that's going to serve as opposed to maybe a smaller pocket park really ended up. | 01:36:53 | |
Kind of. | 01:36:58 | |
Prioritizing spring lane over that one. So that's part of it, but so there's that piece, but there's also the. | 01:36:59 | |
Specific application which I'm going to have a hard time not supporting. | 01:37:06 | |
So, yeah, I I will be in favor of this as well I think. | 01:37:10 | |
Yeah, I think it would be a totally different question if it was public property there or public property we had access to. I | 01:37:13 | |
think it's hard. | 01:37:17 | |
To make a decision about somebody else's property and. | 01:37:22 | |
So I'm. | 01:37:27 | |
Recognizing the importance of the open space and the opportunities we have at spring land, I'm I'm inclined to support it as well. | 01:37:28 | |
Yeah, I agree with everything that's been said. I want to add as well. | 01:37:36 | |
I live close to the Olympus Hills Park. | 01:37:40 | |
And, as the mayor has said, many of the parks. | 01:37:43 | |
You know, even within the holiday boundaries are on, not by the city, but by Salt Lake County. | 01:37:47 | |
And people will come to me and say, well, can't they do this and this and this in Olympic Hills Park? And I say, well, no, because | 01:37:54 | |
we don't own it. | 01:37:58 | |
But. | 01:38:02 | |
We have a huge opportunity. | 01:38:04 | |
With the spring lane property. | 01:38:06 | |
Because this is a property, we will own the land, but we don't have to pay for it either. | 01:38:09 | |
But the advantage is we will have control over exactly what happens. | 01:38:13 | |
And spring way. And I've already got a list of people saying, well, you gotta put this and this and this in it. This is something | 01:38:19 | |
that the city will be able to plan. | 01:38:24 | |
The residents will be able to have a direct impact and then the residents are the ones that will be using. | 01:38:29 | |
That spring rain park whatever we end up calling it, but. | 01:38:36 | |
I agree that we really need to focus. | 01:38:41 | |
Not only our efforts, but our money, because this will be our park like Canuteson. | 01:38:44 | |
We planned it. | 01:38:50 | |
Our residents love it and again we will be able to plan it and have. | 01:38:52 | |
Complete control over it. | 01:38:56 | |
As opposed to the parks inner boundaries that. | 01:38:58 | |
That the county aren't in control. | 01:39:02 | |
OK. | 01:39:06 | |
And any other comments or input? | 01:39:08 | |
John, anything you want to add? I really can't add anything to that, no. I mean one of the main guiding principles that we have | 01:39:10 | |
when we look at RAZONES is what your general plan wants to see for and what it foresees in the future. | 01:39:17 | |
And there there are. | 01:39:23 | |
More dense. | 01:39:26 | |
There's two more dense zones that could be have been considered in R18. | 01:39:27 | |
Specifically which are 8000 square foot foot lots rather than 10,000. | 01:39:32 | |
The applicants elected to rezone to 10, which is. | 01:39:37 | |
Much more congruent, which is what the neighborhood is. | 01:39:41 | |
OK. | 01:39:46 | |
Well, thank you everybody. I appreciate it. Thanks to staff for the report. | 01:39:48 | |
And we'll move on to the next item. Thank you for showing up and part of your comment. We appreciate it. | 01:39:53 | |
And and and I'll just state again when we fully anticipate this will be on for a vote October 5th. | 01:39:58 | |
Thank you. | 01:40:04 | |
OK. | 01:40:06 | |
So now we'll go to Village Center Decorations Tina. | 01:40:08 | |
Yes, thank you. So in your. | 01:40:12 | |
Thank you very much for telling me the rational face. | 01:40:16 | |
And I thought it was very comfortable for you. | 01:40:21 | |
Thank you. | 01:40:24 | |
Appreciate it. | 01:40:25 | |
So in your packet there is a couple of slides addressing. | 01:40:29 | |
What we can do for our traditional tree lighting celebration, which is the Monday after Thanksgiving. | 01:40:37 | |
The as has been mentioned already, the installation of the public art is going to, it's going to be a fantastic addition to the | 01:40:47 | |
Plaza that is going to force some changes in our tree lighting ceremony. | 01:40:55 | |
So as the staff we've identified a couple of options. One of those options is to. | 01:41:04 | |
Have the tree lighting and basically the same type of event that we have always had but with a commercial artificial tree in the | 01:41:12 | |
lawn area on the Plaza. | 01:41:19 | |
And you can see an illustration of that at the bottom of that slide. | 01:41:27 | |
And those run anywhere from 1000 to $2000. One thing to note is that we think we can fund all of these expenses within the current | 01:41:32 | |
budget allocation and so these numbers are really provided for information. | 01:41:41 | |
Not necessarily. | 01:41:50 | |
You don't necessarily need to weigh the cost because those are either option is funded in your current budget. | 01:41:53 | |
The second option is to do a tree lighting in the village on the Plaza, but then to have a vent. | 01:42:03 | |
Behind City Hall in the gazebo. | 01:42:13 | |
Area. | 01:42:18 | |
And so we would have, we could have a mini parade where. | 01:42:19 | |
Santa would arrive in the Plaza and then would kind of follow him over to the gazebo area and then have some photo opportunities | 01:42:24 | |
and then hot chocolate and cookies. | 01:42:31 | |
Behind City Hall. | 01:42:39 | |
Um, there's some options for a Triarch? | 01:42:40 | |
And that sort of thing and we're hoping that in either option we can really engage our our business community. | 01:42:45 | |
To both participate and then potentially to offset costs. | 01:42:53 | |
So I am looking for feedback from the council about your thoughts on these options. | 01:42:58 | |
If you hate commercial artificial trees, please let me know. | 01:43:05 | |
Ohh. | 01:43:10 | |
And if you have a location preference. | 01:43:12 | |
Can we keep the tree from 30 years or some place to store it? There would be yes that that would be our intention is to store it | 01:43:15 | |
and use it. | 01:43:18 | |
I don't like my gut is to keep it. | 01:43:24 | |
Where it is as opposed to trying to bifurcate. | 01:43:28 | |
And unless there are two different events from talking about the same day. | 01:43:31 | |
I don't. I don't see citizens necessarily wanting to start at the village and then. | 01:43:35 | |
Perfect. Over to the gazebo. | 01:43:41 | |
In the same event, particularly in the winter, particularly if it's snowing or if it's cold or even as late as wind. | 01:43:44 | |
Um. | 01:43:51 | |
I kind of like the the the concept of having that event. | 01:43:53 | |
At the village. | 01:43:57 | |
And leaving it there, I've got no problem with that. | 01:43:59 | |
Whenever tree arrangements you want to make given the new. | 01:44:01 | |
Public art situation and just the. | 01:44:05 | |
Reusability of tree I mean. | 01:44:09 | |
I think there's certain folks that say quick cutting down the trees, including the tree committee. | 01:44:13 | |
Really not cutting down live trees anymore. Purposes. | 01:44:18 | |
I can't speak to the tree committee. I'm not going to do it. | 01:44:22 | |
OK. | 01:44:25 | |
I kind of feel the same way about keeping it in the village. | 01:44:30 | |
The one, my one reaction to the proposal. | 01:44:33 | |
Is there's a lot going on? | 01:44:36 | |
And with with the heart being the new art piece being there and the tree, I'm not sure how much more we need. But that's just my | 01:44:38 | |
personal I think that's good feedback and we could we could simplify and then maybe add on potentially in future years. | 01:44:47 | |
It's So where do you know where it is? | 01:44:57 | |
It. | 01:45:01 | |
Would it be possible to If it's going to be an artificial tree, It doesn't. | 01:45:02 | |
It's going to have to be anchored somehow. Would it be possible to move it more like in the center of the Plaza where say those | 01:45:07 | |
holiday letters are showing? So we've talked about that briefly and the difficulty is that would have to. | 01:45:14 | |
Because of the size of the tree would have to anchor it through the the stone of the papers, and the direction from the council | 01:45:22 | |
previously has been not to drill into those pavers. | 01:45:29 | |
Which I think is good right now. | 01:45:38 | |
So we didn't budget. | 01:45:43 | |
We didn't budget any money to light like light the streets or you did. You included $50,000 in the budget in hopes of securing | 01:45:46 | |
some funding to light the trees. And I think we're we're still in the process of determining whether we can do that or not. So | 01:45:53 | |
that would be. | 01:45:59 | |
Separate issues. That's right. They're two separate issues. Yeah, I wish we could. | 01:46:07 | |
Well, I I agree with him. I'm not opposed to an artificial tree. I I don't. It's not going to be like 5 feet tall, is it? Or. | 01:46:11 | |
It'll be back, OK. I'm not opposed to that either. It's because that's always we've always got reached out to have people donate | 01:46:19 | |
that. | 01:46:23 | |
And that's always been a challenge itself, right? | 01:46:27 | |
But I I do think I am kind of curious about. | 01:46:32 | |
How? | 01:46:35 | |
Do we need to think about how that's going to look with our big new art piece and then right next to it at Christmas Tree? Is it | 01:46:37 | |
going to? | 01:46:40 | |
I mean we could do a mock up. | 01:46:46 | |
I see what you're saying and I don't know. | 01:46:52 | |
We could do a mockup once we have the public art in place and see what we think of it at that point, and then decide where we want | 01:46:58 | |
to locate the tree. | 01:47:03 | |
But I do think anchoring it on the papers could be a challenge. | 01:47:09 | |
You see what I I think I'm thinking the same way you are mapping. It's gonna look almost like an afterthought with this big. | 01:47:14 | |
Art piece and then a Christmas tree right next to it. Because. | 01:47:21 | |
We want our Christmas tree lighting, but but I also I 100% agree with Paul that. | 01:47:25 | |
I don't know, but I'm not interested in moving up here. | 01:47:31 | |
I want to activate the Plaza, so whatever we do, I want it to be. | 01:47:34 | |
Where the businesses are. | 01:47:38 | |
Yeah. | 01:47:40 | |
So. | 01:47:42 | |
Yeah, let's let's eyeball it once the art pieces up and then try to get a sense of. | 01:47:43 | |
If it's creating a tremendous imbalance or if it would be a cool light sourced cast, cool shadows through the art piece. | 01:47:49 | |
You never know. | 01:47:57 | |
OK. I think that's great direction. We'll have be able to take those pictures on Tuesday afternoon and then can that can do a | 01:48:01 | |
little photoshopping like we have here. | 01:48:07 | |
And see what we think. | 01:48:13 | |
OK. Thank you. | 01:48:17 | |
Did you get what you needed, Gina? You good? OK, alright. So what I hear from the council is we want to stay the event, to stay on | 01:48:20 | |
the Plaza and we are OK with the commercial tree in terms of placement. We're going to look at it once we have the public art in | 01:48:27 | |
place and kind of decide on. | 01:48:34 | |
On placement. | 01:48:41 | |
If we think it's going to look odd on the lawn area. | 01:48:43 | |
I'll let you know at the next council meeting and we'll talk about how we feel about the papers and whether there might be other | 01:48:48 | |
solutions. Yeah, I mean, once we get it up, it might be worth just walking over there with whoever is appropriate and kind of | 01:48:53 | |
looking at it and saying, OK. | 01:48:58 | |
But yeah, generally I think. | 01:49:04 | |
All the. | 01:49:06 | |
You know. | 01:49:07 | |
Was there something in here on music too? I know they were talking about. | 01:49:09 | |
The idea of maybe having some music on the Plaza during the winter months that you could just pipe in, I don't know if that's part | 01:49:13 | |
of it. | 01:49:17 | |
I don't think that is part of this budget. It's something we could explore, but I don't think we we have to this point. | 01:49:21 | |
OK. | 01:49:30 | |
Alives and Rudolph the Red Nose reindeer. | 01:49:33 | |
Is that what you thinking? | 01:49:36 | |
You're probably only two people know, girl. | 01:49:39 | |
All right. | 01:49:45 | |
Umm. | 01:49:47 | |
Where were we? | 01:49:48 | |
Uh HP Sign on HTC Sign amendments? | 01:49:50 | |
I said some. | 01:49:58 | |
Some of us struggling a little bit with this in terms of. | 01:50:02 | |
I mean, I've talked a little bit. | 01:50:08 | |
On the side with with and I don't think generally. Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think. | 01:50:11 | |
Generally, we kind of agree that it's silly that a gas station in the village village shouldn't be able to. | 01:50:15 | |
Illuminate prices on the side, we get that. | 01:50:22 | |
And. | 01:50:26 | |
There's been language created inside the village zone. | 01:50:27 | |
To kind of. | 01:50:31 | |
Really restricted to that. | 01:50:34 | |
But there's a couple of us that have some. | 01:50:36 | |
Reservations about what this is going to open up and what happens when. | 01:50:40 | |
Olympus Junior High School or what happens when a business comes in and says well? | 01:50:45 | |
Wait a second. I'm paying for taxes? | 01:50:50 | |
Into the city's coffers helps support the city. | 01:50:54 | |
And. | 01:50:57 | |
This this person can do it, but I can't do it. | 01:50:59 | |
Umm. | 01:51:02 | |
And it's just getting a comfort level that it's narrow enough that we'll be able to defend. That I guess is my. | 01:51:04 | |
Kind of concern. | 01:51:10 | |
Mayor and I don't have an answer to that, but I just am kind of like, you know, a couple of questions to John might help me sort | 01:51:12 | |
through this. I'm one who's very resistant about it. | 01:51:17 | |
But I guess, I guess I have two questions, maybe Jonathan answered. And first of all. | 01:51:23 | |
As I as am I reading this correctly that it's only in the Holiday Village center? | 01:51:28 | |
The holiday Holiday madness? Well, it's the. | 01:51:35 | |
Is this apply to all zones or just to holiday village center? This is carved out just for the village center, village center and | 01:51:39 | |
then. | 01:51:43 | |
And then I guess the other question would be, are these type of signs allowed outside that zone? | 01:51:47 | |
They are because they're an internal type illumination. Yes, they are. | 01:51:53 | |
You know, and I do. You know, in fairness, I do note that you know this. | 01:51:58 | |
I don't think until tonight I really even thought of where this. | 01:52:04 | |
This location is and it's actually in a very South end of of the village zone, right? I mean, it's like. | 01:52:08 | |
It's across from Kentucky Ave. In fact, it's South of Kentucky Ave. I think maybe. Anyway, straight across from the food, from the | 01:52:14 | |
food trucks. | 01:52:18 | |
I don't know. I I'm kind of on the fence on that. I'm sort of leaning against it, but. | 01:52:23 | |
And my my Lincoln Stars. I mean on space. It seems easy peasy. A no brainer, but. | 01:52:28 | |
It's the camel nose problem. | 01:52:34 | |
And. | 01:52:38 | |
And whether or not we really can. | 01:52:39 | |
Restrict this to what our intention is would be just in the village. | 01:52:43 | |
And just this type of signage. | 01:52:48 | |
But we've. | 01:52:51 | |
Whenever we wrestle with the legislature, we lose. | 01:52:53 | |
And and the last time you correctly, God I'm wrong the last time. | 01:52:57 | |
We we had. | 01:53:02 | |
Had to consider. | 01:53:03 | |
Electronic signage was the legislation that said if you have any electronic signage in your city. | 01:53:05 | |
Then you've got to allow the big billboard companies to convert their. | 01:53:12 | |
Big. | 01:53:16 | |
Old school billboards to electronic style. | 01:53:17 | |
And that's if you allow them at all. And right now we don't. | 01:53:21 | |
And so, as narrowly as this was written. | 01:53:24 | |
Does this. | 01:53:28 | |
Put a crack in our defenses. | 01:53:29 | |
Against what we really want to restrict. | 01:53:31 | |
Because I, you know, in the face I really have no objection this particular application. | 01:53:34 | |
Or to even the schools having the ability to use their sign. But the reason we don't let the schools. | 01:53:39 | |
Use theirs in the way they were designed, in the way they want to. | 01:53:46 | |
Is because of the other larger problem. | 01:53:49 | |
In how it it opens the door to. | 01:53:52 | |
You know the the larger problem that we've been trying to keep out, is that a fair analysis done? | 01:53:55 | |
Yeah, it is. I want. I want to make sure we make a couple of distinctions clear. | 01:54:01 | |
So your ability legally. | 01:54:06 | |
To approve this particular amendment. | 01:54:09 | |
And then legally to say no? | 01:54:13 | |
To a similar request outside the village, I think as a matter of your legislative discretion, I think it would be reviewed giving | 01:54:16 | |
the most deference to the city you will get on any decision you make. I believe it could be supported legally. | 01:54:22 | |
The issues I have I think. | 01:54:29 | |
That you need to think about are the practical ones one. | 01:54:31 | |
It will be politically much more difficult. | 01:54:35 | |
To say no to a similar request that comes outside the village if you do this. | 01:54:38 | |
The justification that you can make legally don't necessarily hold up practically. | 01:54:43 | |
And that's just a simple fact that I think you deserve to have some counsel about. It will be more difficult to say no one another | 01:54:47 | |
zone in the future. | 01:54:51 | |
Not legally, but practically. Second, I I'm uncomfortable kind of trying to lay odds on whether or not that legislative proposal | 01:54:55 | |
will come back again. | 01:55:01 | |
But if it comes back in a similar form. | 01:55:06 | |
Even as tightly drawn as this language is. | 01:55:10 | |
It would allow the conversion of the billboards. | 01:55:14 | |
If if the if the language were identical to the 2021 bill. | 01:55:17 | |
It would allow the conversion of billboards in the city to digital. | 01:55:23 | |
So those are practical considerations to think about. I don't, I don't know that that proposal is going to come back at the state | 01:55:27 | |
level. | 01:55:30 | |
I just don't know. | 01:55:35 | |
There's a part of me that's a little skeptical that it will. | 01:55:37 | |
Umm. | 01:55:40 | |
But if it did. | 01:55:41 | |
And Reagan outdoors isn't going anywhere. | 01:55:43 | |
Ohh no. | 01:55:46 | |
They're not. | 01:55:47 | |
No, I I think. | 01:55:48 | |
I'm not as worried about that as I am your second concern, which is. | 01:55:51 | |
What? What happens if Olympus Junior High comes in and says, well, we've got a freestanding sign, it's in a black box. | 01:55:56 | |
How about if we agree that we're just going to put a message up there? It's not scrolling? | 01:56:03 | |
And we don't need to have it scroll, but we would like to. | 01:56:09 | |
Have the opportunity to flash a message up on there and just have it stay. The schools closed on Friday and it just stays there | 01:56:12 | |
and then we can change it when we want. | 01:56:16 | |
Not dissimilar to a gas station changing a price. | 01:56:21 | |
And then how do we say? | 01:56:24 | |
Or Cottonwood Elementary coming doing the same thing saying. | 01:56:27 | |
Well, we'll just do a We'll just do a fox like 711 has. | 01:56:30 | |
And what this degree is not going to be a scrolling sign. | 01:56:33 | |
It's just going to be a way for us instead of. | 01:56:36 | |
Putting a letter up, we can just get in our computer and say here's our message for the day and it doesn't scroll and it doesn't | 01:56:40 | |
flash and. | 01:56:43 | |
Well, or a sandwich shop. Or in the village, even. Maybe saying, hey, we want to put the our our specials of the day or something | 01:56:47 | |
up, yeah. | 01:56:51 | |
I mean it's just, I mean we all know what the product is on the sign, right. It's just. | 01:56:56 | |
It's connecting the price and the product, another gas station and so why wouldn't another store be able to do that, right, Right, | 01:57:01 | |
so. | 01:57:04 | |
I'm not worried as much about it opening a can of worms with the state legislature, because if they want to open a can, they can | 01:57:09 | |
open a can. I'm more. | 01:57:12 | |
Worried about how we're like you, said Todd. | 01:57:17 | |
Not practically. How do we defend? | 01:57:20 | |
A fairness issue? Really. Yeah. Are we over exaggerating this do you think Or? | 01:57:24 | |
And the overthinking it if is it so narrow and silly, it's like it's 1 gas station. It's just, I mean. | 01:57:30 | |
Or. | 01:57:37 | |
Well, so. | 01:57:38 | |
You're entitled to receive some advice from me outside. | 01:57:42 | |
The public meeting setting if you wish to. | 01:57:46 | |
And some of this might be appropriate for that. | 01:57:49 | |
What I will tell you generally is, I think, some of your concerns about what might happen in the village. | 01:57:52 | |
With a different kind of business. | 01:57:59 | |
Outside of the strict confines of this particular amendment, are legally valid in my opinion. | 01:58:01 | |
You know, sign regulations or about are sort of. | 01:58:07 | |
Evaluated. | 01:58:11 | |
On the basis of are they content neutral? | 01:58:13 | |
And the way they're presented. | 01:58:17 | |
And I'll just tell you, not speaking holiday, but speaking every sign ordinance in the state I have ever read, there's not a | 01:58:19 | |
single one that passes muster under the federal law right now. | 01:58:24 | |
Under, you know, the signed case that was decided most recently by the United States Supreme Court out of Gilbert, AZ, every sign | 01:58:30 | |
ordinance in this state right now is invalid. | 01:58:35 | |
And so those restrictions are hard to meet legally. | 01:58:41 | |
Every sign you regulate based on kind of the content of the sign. | 01:58:46 | |
Takes you a step closer to opening up. | 01:58:54 | |
The entire ambit of science, so. | 01:58:58 | |
Right. | 01:59:01 | |
Your concerns are valid. | 01:59:02 | |
In that respect. | 01:59:04 | |
Or in other words, in other words, the nature of this ordinance is we're saying hey, if it's if the content is gas prices. | 01:59:06 | |
It's OK and and. | 01:59:13 | |
Yeah, that's maybe the concern here too. Are we treating? | 01:59:15 | |
The gas station inside the village differently from the gas stations outside of the village. You weren't right now, but there's | 01:59:19 | |
some pre-existing entitlements that. | 01:59:23 | |
You know, with some signs that happened before you incorporated or before you adopted the current ordinance you have. | 01:59:28 | |
Where they have signs similar to this, but they aren't permitted under your ordinance, they're they're legally nonconforming under | 01:59:33 | |
a prior regulation, so. | 01:59:38 | |
Do they have different sets of rights based on the location and the timing of the business? You know, the age and all those | 01:59:44 | |
things? Yes. | 01:59:47 | |
Would it be fair to say your ordinance currently is treating them differently and fairly? I don't think so. I think that | 01:59:52 | |
characterization wouldn't be accurate. | 01:59:56 | |
But they they do have a different set of. | 02:00:01 | |
Entitlements based on previously existing standards or law. | 02:00:05 | |
Thank you. | 02:00:10 | |
Can you remind me the current sign? | 02:00:13 | |
Is it internally illuminated? | 02:00:17 | |
I think originally it was. I'm not sure if they. | 02:00:20 | |
Kept it up to turn those lights on on the inside. | 02:00:23 | |
But I guarantee it was designed to be that way. | 02:00:27 | |
I mean, like, my my fear is that and maybe we're just. | 02:00:32 | |
Going in circles here but. | 02:00:36 | |
My real fear is that if we do this for 7/11. | 02:00:39 | |
And other businesses start to come to us and say, well, gosh, we'll we'll. | 02:00:43 | |
We'll agree to do a sign like 7-11. We get why, why you guys are doing this. All we want to do is what they're doing. | 02:00:48 | |
My sense is the council is going to have a real problem with that and come back and say, you know what, we're gonna. | 02:00:55 | |
Change it back again. I don't think you're going to want. | 02:01:00 | |
Signs like that at Harmons and signs like that. | 02:01:03 | |
And and again, maybe I'm overthinking that, that's not going to happen, but it worries me a little bit that. | 02:01:07 | |
Somebody's gonna come in and say, well, we'll just agree to do a sign like they're doing. It won't be gas prices, it'll just be a | 02:01:13 | |
sandwich price for the. | 02:01:16 | |
And how do you say no? Yeah. | 02:01:21 | |
So anyway. | 02:01:25 | |
Alright. | 02:01:31 | |
Well, look, I I I asked Stephanie to. | 02:01:32 | |
Move this off the agenda because I sense there was some. | 02:01:36 | |
Some of us were wrestling with this. | 02:01:42 | |
I think ties generally in favor with it. He's not worried about it, but I didn't want to vote it without a full council here | 02:01:44 | |
because I didn't sense that there was going to be. | 02:01:48 | |
Unanimity in the vote and I thought it deserved a full vote so. | 02:01:53 | |
Anyway. | 02:01:57 | |
I'm still leaning against. | 02:01:59 | |
After this discussion SO. | 02:02:01 | |
OK. | 02:02:05 | |
Anything else? | 02:02:06 | |
Staff available if you need them. | 02:02:08 | |
I have nothing else to add. | 02:02:11 | |
You have nothing to say. | 02:02:13 | |
And I'd like to get a more warm and fuzzy, but I'm just not getting it, yeah. | 02:02:15 | |
Yeah. I mean, I yeah, I. | 02:02:20 | |
You know, we have tried to write this as as tightly as possible, yeah? | 02:02:22 | |
Focusing on one specific use. | 02:02:27 | |
And even considering the aesthetics of that use, given what the council is interested in keeping the village center in the village | 02:02:29 | |
center. | 02:02:33 | |
Esthetically but. | 02:02:38 | |
You're absolutely correct in your assumptions, even though we have a definition here that that says. | 02:02:39 | |
New numerical letters are fine. Non scoring letters work for gas price sign. | 02:02:46 | |
Legally, as your council has told you, we can't control content. | 02:02:52 | |
So a similar type of sign that shows prices of food, retail commodity is exactly the same thing. Yeah, well, what's the difference | 02:02:58 | |
between an A and A1? | 02:03:03 | |
If it's not scrolling. | 02:03:09 | |
And it's internally illuminated mortgage rates. | 02:03:11 | |
Yeah. | 02:03:15 | |
Payday loan rates, alright? | 02:03:17 | |
Just one last thing, I think we need to be consistent. | 02:03:20 | |
I remember a few years ago talking to an owner of a. | 02:03:23 | |
Of a business and the village who had had a temporary sign up for like a year. And I said, you know why, why don't you have, you | 02:03:28 | |
know, on your permanent sign up? He says. Well. | 02:03:32 | |
I've been fighting with Holiday City about what I can put up and I think if. | 02:03:38 | |
If we are seen to Kay. | 02:03:42 | |
For one business. | 02:03:44 | |
I think. | 02:03:46 | |
I'm just afraid that's going to generate a lot of feel well and like you say, all the other businesses are going to line up and | 02:03:47 | |
say, well, you didn't let me. | 02:03:52 | |
Do that before, but now you're letting them, so it's my turn, So yeah. | 02:03:56 | |
I think that's a definite possibility. Definite. | 02:04:01 | |
Downside of changing it? | 02:04:05 | |
OK. | 02:04:08 | |
Alright. | 02:04:10 | |
Well. | 02:04:12 | |
Moving right along. | 02:04:13 | |
The. | 02:04:16 | |
Do you want to do the City Hall update now, Gina? | 02:04:18 | |
OK. | 02:04:21 | |
Good evening everyone. | 02:04:29 | |
So we just like to kind of give you an update on where we are at in terms of. | 02:04:32 | |
What we've been doing in the last since our last meeting was really looking at what the structural engineer has provided in terms | 02:04:38 | |
of different options for seismic upgrades and then how we feel that matches with. | 02:04:43 | |
Some of the proposals for the kind of building use and building updates, as well as kind of some conceptual numbers for you to | 02:04:49 | |
consider. | 02:04:52 | |
Umm, so next slide. | 02:04:57 | |
Umm. | 02:04:59 | |
In really looking at kind of what was proposed by the structural engineer. | 02:05:02 | |
What we want you to kind of consider in terms of maybe. | 02:05:07 | |
Or we might be calling a decision tree for you guys to think about is really asking kind of yourself what? | 02:05:10 | |
A level of size of an upgrade makes the most sense because they're right now what we've outlined is there's really 3 levels that | 02:05:17 | |
they are proposing. | 02:05:21 | |
I'm. | 02:05:25 | |
Level 1 is basically life safety, right? So they're saying that we can do upgrades that. | 02:05:26 | |
Would provide the highest chance of being able to evacuate everybody from the building. | 02:05:32 | |
Umm. | 02:05:37 | |
During some type of large seismic event. | 02:05:37 | |
And that's just the only concern. | 02:05:40 | |
Level 2 would be Is that beyond life safety? | 02:05:42 | |
It's the potential for being able to rehab the building or use the building. | 02:05:46 | |
In some type of fashion after the seismic event. | 02:05:50 | |
Level 3, which is probably not a consideration, but we want to outline what it is. Level 3 is saying the building could be used | 02:05:53 | |
almost immediately after a large size of the event. | 02:05:58 | |
And so the reason why we think it's important for you to understand those levels is that basically that really drives. | 02:06:03 | |
Both costs, but also how we can think about the renovations and how they could be sequenced. | 02:06:10 | |
In level one, if you're just thinking about the kind of life safety, what the structural engineer had proposed is a series of kind | 02:06:15 | |
of. | 02:06:18 | |
Can a reattachment of the roof to the exterior walls through the through the through the exterior? | 02:06:23 | |
And then that by kind of connecting the the roof rafters to the walls, that's basically saying. | 02:06:30 | |
That's reducing the chance that if the walls fall out, the roof just collapses, right? | 02:06:36 | |
And then with that, there would be additional bracing in the roof, Joyce, particularly the wood roof joists to strengthen that. | 02:06:41 | |
The nice thing about that is that because it's what the structural engineer had talked to us about, the way that they would be | 02:06:48 | |
implementing that is that it's all completely exterior done. | 02:06:53 | |
And therefore you could either do it all at once or you could do. | 02:06:58 | |
You could do. | 02:07:03 | |
All of the renovations at once, including the seismic. | 02:07:04 | |
Or basically, you can treat the seismic as a discrete project separate from any of the interior renovations that you do. | 02:07:07 | |
Which means that you could phase all of those renovations. | 02:07:13 | |
In any type of sequence based upon financial budgets or getting funding or that type of thing, right? | 02:07:17 | |
Level 2. | 02:07:24 | |
Once we start to do what what is level 2 is? | 02:07:26 | |
Level 2 does all of Level 1 seismic upgrades, but it includes seismic upgrades to specific walls within the building. | 02:07:29 | |
Which have to be. | 02:07:37 | |
Secure rebuilt to make them kind of more secure for attachments for specifically the concrete Tees that run in this area of the | 02:07:38 | |
building. | 02:07:43 | |
By doing that that, that, that kind of. | 02:07:49 | |
Gives you less ability to do discrete projects because. | 02:07:52 | |
Once you're doing the walls then. | 02:07:57 | |
The invasiveness of the walls means you should be doing the renovations to those areas with them, right? | 02:07:58 | |
So that's why you'll see in the decision tree that we're saying either you do all of them all at once. | 02:08:04 | |
Or you could do them by level or by department. | 02:08:09 | |
And then we'll show you that kind of sequencing in a second. | 02:08:12 | |
Level 3, which is so invasive. | 02:08:15 | |
That, basically, is the you'd be rebuilding this building from the inside out. | 02:08:19 | |
So that's why we're saying most likely Level 3 is not the option that we would consider for you. | 02:08:23 | |
Next slide. | 02:08:28 | |
This basically outlines again the level of work we talked about at level one, level 2, Level 3. | 02:08:30 | |
And level 4 and and you can see the scope of work. | 02:08:36 | |
And we also provided example kind of projects that have been done or are being done locally. So you can understand the level in | 02:08:40 | |
which they're doing as you said, as I said in kind of level one, we're really doing roof reinforcing as well as some. | 02:08:47 | |
Umm. | 02:08:55 | |
Some lateral structural bracing for the trusses. Level 2 includes some very focused wall reconstruction. | 02:08:56 | |
Level 3 is entirely rebuilding all of the interior masonry walls. | 02:09:05 | |
Which again becomes extremely invasive. | 02:09:10 | |
And level 4 would be. Honestly, you should be looking at it. The only way to do a level 4 would be probably new construction. | 02:09:13 | |
Or what they're doing at the temple currently, which is. | 02:09:20 | |
Underpinning the entire thing with isolator paths, which. | 02:09:24 | |
Again. | 02:09:27 | |
Not probably what you're thinking about here. | 02:09:29 | |
Next slide. | 02:09:32 | |
So what we tried to do is also visually help you understand kind of what the the seismic kind of interventions. | 02:09:35 | |
Where they occur and what has to happen. Right so. | 02:09:42 | |
As you can see the dotted kind of. | 02:09:45 | |
The dotted lines indicate basically where they have to make the roof connections to walls. | 02:09:49 | |
Right. And that's what they said that they could do from the top down. | 02:09:54 | |
The green area is. | 02:09:58 | |
Really where we have to do some reinforcing to the wood trusses. | 02:10:01 | |
Which also can be done from the ceiling. | 02:10:05 | |
The red area are the actual kind of potential seismic walls that need to be considered basically for the concrete T. | 02:10:08 | |
The orange are the additional walls that would be requested by the structural engineer to get beyond to almost a Level 3. So as | 02:10:16 | |
you can see level 2 which we would say would include the red walls. | 02:10:23 | |
It's very confined to basically the area kind of right around where we're at. So we could contain it with some renovations to. | 02:10:30 | |
When we're doing the planning or when we're doing the basement renovations and some minor ration renovations over here? | 02:10:38 | |
The problem with going to Level 3 is, as you can see, is basically. | 02:10:44 | |
All of the interior walls would have to be rebuilt. | 02:10:47 | |
And that's why we think Level 3 is probably from a cost perspective not something. | 02:10:50 | |
That either we would recommend or the structure engineer saying would potentially recommend because of the cost. | 02:10:55 | |
Next slide. | 02:11:02 | |
So. | 02:11:08 | |
If. | 02:11:09 | |
We're considering basically. | 02:11:10 | |
A level one scenario, as we said, you can really treat these as discrete projects and we've kind of shown you the discrete areas | 02:11:12 | |
in which we're showing. | 02:11:16 | |
Kind of. | 02:11:20 | |
The work that would be done. | 02:11:21 | |
Umm. | 02:11:23 | |
We would consider basically phasing all of the work. | 02:11:24 | |
On the upper floors. | 02:11:28 | |
While using the area of the Little Conwood room and that area for kind of temporary kind of office space. | 02:11:30 | |
So that basically when planning would be redone, planning would be down there? | 02:11:38 | |
And then we could do that as one discrete project and then we could do the executive offices and with the executive offices down | 02:11:42 | |
there. | 02:11:45 | |
And then if we had to do light remodeling for here. | 02:11:48 | |
Like the council room, then you could actually use the Big Cottonwood room for temporary like council meetings, right? So we we | 02:11:52 | |
have enough space. | 02:11:55 | |
In this building of that if we do them discreetly. | 02:12:00 | |
We can constantly kind of move people around. | 02:12:03 | |
So that you can always paint scale in this building. | 02:12:06 | |
And I think that offers you a lot in terms of both being able to time this out so it doesn't have to happen. | 02:12:08 | |
Continuously. It could happen again when funding is available, but it also allows you to maintain continuity in this building | 02:12:15 | |
relative to city services. | 02:12:19 | |
Next slide. | 02:12:24 | |
The challenge with when this is like a Level 2 is that we have to be a little bit more directed in our sequencing. | 02:12:27 | |
And again, particularly because of where the red walls are falling. | 02:12:34 | |
You would then be doing those with a specific type of specific phase, right? So. | 02:12:38 | |
What we're showing here is we would phase one, the light green, which is the planning office 1st. | 02:12:44 | |
And those walls that would go all the way up? Floor, ceiling. | 02:12:50 | |
And they can move temporarily into the lower level. | 02:12:53 | |
Then we would move South to phase two, which would be the executive suites. | 02:12:56 | |
Because again, we would move those. | 02:13:01 | |
Back to. | 02:13:02 | |
Down to the lower level to use that office space, then phase three would be this area. | 02:13:04 | |
And then phase four would be eventual phase four and five is a really converting the basement office space once you're completely | 02:13:10 | |
not having to use it for temporary office for anywhere else? | 02:13:14 | |
Converting that to the future administrative offices when your need arises. So phase four and five could be pushed off. | 02:13:19 | |
But then by that time. | 02:13:26 | |
You have completed all the seismic and all the upgrades to the other parts of the building. | 02:13:28 | |
Next slide. | 02:13:33 | |
And then? | 02:13:36 | |
As you can see here, this is another way that we were thinking about phasing it and that would be as if you were just doing it by. | 02:13:37 | |
Levels where you basically renovate the entire basement first. | 02:13:44 | |
And then you would move to the upper floor and then move the. | 02:13:49 | |
Planning to one phase. | 02:13:53 | |
Administrative office, the second phase and then this final back area is with third phase. | 02:13:55 | |
And then fourth phase would be doing the. | 02:13:59 | |
The basement administrative kind of expansion, but that could be put off. | 02:14:02 | |
So it's really a little bit. | 02:14:07 | |
We were trying to think through ways in which which would be a little bit more disruptive. | 02:14:10 | |
If you were to do the whole bottom floor at least. | 02:14:15 | |
You can keep the whole floor, upper floor kind of moving almost. Um. | 02:14:18 | |
Uninterrupted in some respects. | 02:14:23 | |
Um, versus whether when we're doing it by? | 02:14:26 | |
Zone, but we're trying to do both the lower level and upper level wall. | 02:14:29 | |
We do have to do more temporary kind of. | 02:14:33 | |
Umm. | 02:14:36 | |
Partitioning to maintain safety for public accessing certain areas of the building adjacent to our construction is going. | 02:14:37 | |
I think the challenge of either phasing will always be noise and construction. | 02:14:45 | |
Because. | 02:14:49 | |
Particularly with if you choose the level 2 scenario where we're actually doing wall rebuilds. | 02:14:50 | |
You're going to have substantial amount of demolition noise as well as construction noise with the masonry. | 02:14:55 | |
The in particularly the demolition side, right? | 02:15:00 | |
Which would make it a lot harder for you to do sound isolation, regardless of whether you do it lower level or split up, right? | 02:15:03 | |
So we would be able to kind of maybe think through those things a little bit more. And we do feel like I said that you have the | 02:15:11 | |
space that we could probably figure out how to phase these things in a way where you don't have to leave the building which is | 02:15:15 | |
probably. | 02:15:18 | |
We would think a good priority to have. It's just that we would recognize that we do have to do a number of different issues come | 02:15:23 | |
up in either scenario in terms of isolation and safety. | 02:15:28 | |
Of the people actually working on site and then other things like environmental. | 02:15:33 | |
Holiness, the way the HVC system in this building. | 02:15:38 | |
Is kind of interconnected. | 02:15:42 | |
Would then require manipulation to try and isolate. | 02:15:43 | |
So you're not getting blowing dust or debris. | 02:15:47 | |
When AC is kicking on and off, right, so there's there suddenly becomes certain costs that would be involved that would be added | 02:15:49 | |
to the scope. | 02:15:53 | |
Because you're going to be able to, you're going to have partition the building as you move along. | 02:15:58 | |
Which the current electrical and HVAC system to be? | 02:16:02 | |
HVAC system isn't really set up to do. | 02:16:06 | |
That makes sense. | 02:16:09 | |
Next slide. | 02:16:11 | |
So what we wanted to do was just give you hopefully something that kind of really. | 02:16:14 | |
Outlines in quite clear terms. | 02:16:18 | |
Kind of what we were looking at in terms of guiding, kind of. | 02:16:21 | |
How you might be able to evaluate both the levels and the options and the phasing strategy. | 02:16:25 | |
So on the right, you'll see the seismic level of upgrade that we were calling out as level one or level 2. | 02:16:30 | |
And that's just the phasing, whether it's all at once. | 02:16:37 | |
Or the different types of phasing strategies that we just reviewed? | 02:16:40 | |
We wanted to talk. The next line is really the what we feel are the positive outcomes by choosing one or the other. | 02:16:44 | |
And then the next line is really the concerns with. | 02:16:50 | |
Moving in that direction. | 02:16:54 | |
We then provide a line which is. | 02:16:56 | |
The engineers preliminary cost estimate for just that type of seismic upgrade which we separated out from the architectural | 02:16:58 | |
renovation. So you can understand some. | 02:17:02 | |
Potential costs, cost impacts. | 02:17:07 | |
And then finally, if we have a concept, timeline and budget for the total project at the very end when you aggregate. | 02:17:09 | |
The seismic upgrades. | 02:17:16 | |
As well as preliminary kind of architectural estimates, right? | 02:17:17 | |
And like I said, I think what we're trying to do is give you just really big picture idea of where we think this might come in | 02:17:21 | |
line and then the timelines we're looking at. | 02:17:26 | |
And that continues on the next page. | 02:17:35 | |
So for us, when we were kind of laying this out, we kind of were thinking. | 02:17:38 | |
Our recommendation to you as a council would be to consider these steps as next step. One is really talk about what level of | 02:17:43 | |
seismic upgrade meets. | 02:17:47 | |
Earnings for for the use of this building and what you aspire for in terms of the buildings longevity. | 02:17:52 | |
From there, what we would say is we would then kind of talk about what phasing strategy might make the best sense based upon that | 02:17:59 | |
seismic upgrade level. | 02:18:03 | |
Whether we're trying to do it all at once, where we can phase it, what type of basin we can do. | 02:18:08 | |
What we would then say is when the the Council has kind of certain determinations on that, we would actually recommend that the | 02:18:13 | |
Council kind of provide funding to. | 02:18:18 | |
Higher than whether us or some other consultant to actually bring the design level up to a schematic. | 02:18:23 | |
Level, which would then have enough information that you would be engaging the engineers, the HVAC, electricians and probably even | 02:18:29 | |
whether it's a cost estimator or contractor paid to just provide preliminary costs to you so that you can have a real time data. | 02:18:37 | |
But right now the conceptual designs that we have don't have enough detail for a lot of people to maybe dig into the. | 02:18:45 | |
To get into the kind of. | 02:18:53 | |
The true nature of what might need to happen and particularly like we said from from a phasing standpoint, understanding what | 02:18:55 | |
would actually have to happen to your HVAC and electrical systems. | 02:19:00 | |
To actually make that work is something that we're not. We don't have enough details to really kind of work with, right? | 02:19:06 | |
And then for a contractor to then really provide you or a cost estimated to provide you some more accurate pricing? | 02:19:11 | |
There is not enough level of detail in both drawings or information for them to actually then give you a take off or some kind of. | 02:19:17 | |
Kind of more specific line items to go through, So that would probably be what we recommend is the next step. | 02:19:23 | |
And then again the final step is then once we have that information in drawing form with also. | 02:19:30 | |
Information from all the consultants. You can really look at the actual costs. | 02:19:36 | |
In a kind of more tight way than where we are because we're giving you what we consider quite high level. | 02:19:40 | |
Central cost. | 02:19:46 | |
And as you, kind of. | 02:19:47 | |
Narrow down what you're kind of. | 02:19:48 | |
Decision might be it would be nicer to have enough information to then develop harder costs for you to then make. | 02:19:51 | |
More kind of determinations that have moved forward with in terms of particularly timeline and sequencing. | 02:19:58 | |
So that's kind of our overview to you that we wanted to just. | 02:20:04 | |
Really bringing out today and I would, we'd love to answer any questions you have towards us about kind of this approach or or | 02:20:07 | |
things that you saw in the. | 02:20:10 | |
Presentation that you have. | 02:20:15 | |
Yeah, what do you guys want to do? | 02:20:17 | |
I mean, we we've already sort of. | 02:20:21 | |
Been zeroing in on a level 2 sort of thing. | 02:20:24 | |
The big question is, yeah, the phasing and and is and is an all at once even an option? Does that really mean moving out of the | 02:20:29 | |
building? | 02:20:33 | |
Although that might create some some cost savings for the project. | 02:20:38 | |
And you have additional costs of renting somewhere else and moving costs. | 02:20:42 | |
But then again, it might save some money, but I don't even know if we even. | 02:20:47 | |
That would take a fair amount of homework I think, just to figure out if there is if the alternative of all at once. | 02:20:52 | |
Really used it as a viable. | 02:20:57 | |
Option. So we'd have to find reasonable space, presumably within the boundaries of the city. | 02:21:00 | |
And there's no way there's a plethora of office space. Just to score would be a real problem, I think. | 02:21:07 | |
Yeah, maybe planning. I mean, I mean, we've got all our plans and. | 02:21:12 | |
I mean, everybody would be a pain, but especially like the court would think. | 02:21:17 | |
Yeah, but it's it's worse at work. Worth asking the question, but. | 02:21:21 | |
Yeah, it feels like. | 02:21:26 | |
That's a heavy lift to doing all at once, which means. | 02:21:29 | |
Out of the building. | 02:21:32 | |
And. | 02:21:34 | |
So, so, so unless there is a viable option for that and that's just when we ex out on the on the front end and figure out the | 02:21:35 | |
phasic, yeah, we had. | 02:21:41 | |
You know there is a temporary. | 02:21:48 | |
Well, there is a City Hall that is being vacated to in close proximity, but. | 02:21:51 | |
It sounds like that building is already slated for redevelopment. That's what I've read is they'll Creek's existing town hall. | 02:21:56 | |
Part of the reason for them to push forward for that was that their lease was not going to be renewed and so then there was kind | 02:22:02 | |
of a finite timeline for Mill Creek. | 02:22:07 | |
To move out of that space. | 02:22:13 | |
Now the the one thing would be interesting for things like Justice Court or something like that is if I remember correctly and | 02:22:14 | |
locate those is. | 02:22:18 | |
Having a similar court scenario in there. | 02:22:23 | |
Building and their new one. I don't. I didn't, OK. | 02:22:26 | |
It would be if they had something similar. It was close enough. | 02:22:29 | |
The jurisdiction allows you to temporarily use something like that for administrative Office of the Courts that has to sign off on | 02:22:32 | |
the space. | 02:22:37 | |
Yeah, like a temporary rental space probably just wouldn't work. | 02:22:42 | |
Particularly for some, especially since we have two contracts now, Mill Creek and Time, what rights? | 02:22:46 | |
It would be. It would be a big deal. | 02:22:51 | |
The other place I might think would be close proximity to you that might have that facility would be Murray. | 02:22:54 | |
And their new City Hall. | 02:22:59 | |
What? What? Remind me again what you said? | 02:23:01 | |
Your thought about what our next step should be, what's the next decision point. So I think really right now is it sounds like | 02:23:05 | |
you've kind of made the decision. The biggest one was where do you feel like seismic level upgrade is what the council would | 02:23:11 | |
really want And it seems like level 2 is where you are thinking is the best for you that would give you beyond just like safety | 02:23:17 | |
would probably give you you know some some ability to potentially reuse the building or repair the building after. | 02:23:24 | |
Right. And so to that point though, I just one thing you haven't seen although the discussion has been. | 02:23:31 | |
Kind of focused towards level 2. I don't think you've seen the total budget impact before. And so just want to point out that last | 02:23:38 | |
column. | 02:23:44 | |
Because that's a larger number than we had been talking about the 10 million. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was, we're talking 8 before, | 02:23:50 | |
weren't we? | 02:23:53 | |
Yeah, I think but what we're, what we're accounting for really right now is so the structural engineers had given a really. | 02:23:57 | |
Big number and I think that one would have to be massaged. | 02:24:05 | |
When, particularly because what he has said is that with level 2. | 02:24:09 | |
He was recommending this structural wall upgrade but then he had originally provided it as all of that and so when we went back to | 02:24:13 | |
them and asked, well. | 02:24:17 | |
Is there a way to be more nuanced in terms of how much Wall absolutely needs to be done to do like a level 2? That's when he | 02:24:21 | |
isolated it to the Reds, right? | 02:24:26 | |
So there may be some kind of. | 02:24:30 | |
We really have to then pin down the cost for actually how much wall. | 02:24:33 | |
Needs to be reconstructed in that specific kind of. So if we, if we. | 02:24:38 | |
Get to a point where we can drill down and really focus this into. | 02:24:45 | |
But let's say, yeah, we want to do we we really think level two phase is the right approach. | 02:24:50 | |
That then you would go out and say let me go do, let me, let me go refine these drawings and get some more specific. Yeah. So | 02:24:58 | |
that's why we're saying the next step is if you're saying like Level 2 is where we we think. | 02:25:03 | |
That provides the most value to the the kind of the city accounts the city building use, right? | 02:25:09 | |
Then we would say then the next step would be is that we would have to then get money for fee to then actually bring the level of | 02:25:15 | |
drawings. | 02:25:19 | |
And also the consultants on board to identify exactly what all level team needs to happen as well as like the amount exactly and | 02:25:23 | |
have enough details to really get into particularly from the construction side. | 02:25:29 | |
The detail, the detail for contractor to give you some better or worse, right? | 02:25:35 | |
I mean. | 02:25:39 | |
Personally, I'm having a real problem like. | 02:25:41 | |
Like talking about, we're going to make a decision like, yeah, no, this is great information. I think this is great because it | 02:25:44 | |
gives us something to, but I think we need to agenda this again. | 02:25:50 | |
Get appropriate and maybe even have a separate staff meeting because when you started talking about noise. | 02:25:55 | |
I was only in here for two hours when they were jackhammering up the steps and. | 02:26:01 | |
Yeah, I think, I think we need to hear from staff too when we start talking about this stuff about OK. | 02:26:06 | |
What does this really mean for the people that are actually going to be working in this building when this is happening? And maybe | 02:26:13 | |
we need to move out anyway, Maybe we need to move out anyway. | 02:26:17 | |
What about the money piece? We haven't really talked about that, you know. | 02:26:22 | |
That this isn't something where we're going to be able to. | 02:26:27 | |
Say, OK, we'll budget $2,000,000 a year for. | 02:26:30 | |
Five years to pay for this. This is going to have to be bonded for or we're going to have to. | 02:26:33 | |
We're gonna have to. | 02:26:39 | |
Get new. I mean, I think we need to kind of talk about all this stuff and see if we can work, work, work our way into a consensus. | 02:26:41 | |
Yeah. And that's why what we what we then thought what's most important for us to provide to you was that first page decision | 02:26:45 | |
tree. | 02:26:49 | |
Yeah. So hopefully that helps you when you guys have a discussion. We honestly felt this was not you were gonna make a decision, | 02:26:54 | |
it was us trying to then give you a way to then talk about this so that you could make a decision. And so hopefully you have | 02:26:58 | |
enough information here that you can now kind of dig through it. But like I said and then if you go to the last slide, which is | 02:27:03 | |
really the steps, right. | 02:27:07 | |
It's really once you that's we're saying is. | 02:27:12 | |
Once you can actually kind of determine. | 02:27:15 | |
You know step one and two in your discussion. | 02:27:17 | |
Then you could come back to us and say we need to do Step 3 to get enough information to get numbers for step four and then that | 02:27:20 | |
would help you on the final page of like are we gonna bond? Do we have to spread it over X number of years? | 02:27:26 | |
Are there grants available that we should be going for that type of thing to actually identify that? But yeah, we totally | 02:27:32 | |
understand it. Right now it's actually. | 02:27:36 | |
A large amount of information that the Council really has to sit back and think about. | 02:27:40 | |
I think this is. | 02:27:45 | |
Great, Great. | 02:27:47 | |
Yeah, maybe even hold the Wrecking Ball. | 02:27:49 | |
We did joke that you could, you could potentially make a deal. We can do it. | 02:27:54 | |
And I think the other thing the decision tree in this matrix tried to give you is different ways to approach it. So Mayor, you | 02:28:01 | |
know, you said this is something we couldn't pay for $2,000,000 a year over five years. | 02:28:07 | |
I think if that if you wanted that to be your basis for a decision, let let's do something where we can pay cash overtime. | 02:28:15 | |
Then I think. | 02:28:23 | |
That looking at this matrix then that might be a level 1 something that phase discrete project approach. | 02:28:25 | |
Um. | 02:28:34 | |
Because I think that is something that we could look at phasing different departments overtime. | 02:28:35 | |
Potentially without bonding. | 02:28:41 | |
So it depends on on how you want to approach. | 02:28:44 | |
This issue, and that's what really what the decision tree and the matrix tried to lay out for you. | 02:28:48 | |
Yeah, so I mean unless unless I'm mistaken, I think the next step is probably this might be a great. | 02:28:54 | |
Topic for a independent work session. We haven't had one of those in a long time. | 02:29:01 | |
Where we block out a couple hours to really go through this and talk about. | 02:29:07 | |
The pros and cons of each and see if we can start to narrow it down to. | 02:29:12 | |
Yeah, I think this is this is the direction we need to go in and. | 02:29:17 | |
Then take the next step which would be. | 02:29:23 | |
I guess the next step would be if we can get to that say, OK, this is what I think we want to do. | 02:29:25 | |
Let's go see if we can get some more, some really realistic numbers in terms of what we think it's going to be. | 02:29:30 | |
And like I said, you know what I hope you guys, you know if you have any questions about level one, level 2, Level 3, I think | 02:29:37 | |
ultimately level one is of course you know probably. | 02:29:41 | |
You know. | 02:29:47 | |
The kind of thing that at minimum is just going to make this building safe for people to get out right. | 02:29:47 | |
The question about longevity of building is of course related to both what we imagine you know, you guys wanting this building to | 02:29:53 | |
do and serve their community for and for how long and how much you want to quote invest in it to see. | 02:29:59 | |
Of improving your chances of making sure it can last that long like I'll be up front when I talk to structurally, I'm like, OK | 02:30:05 | |
with the whole wall scenario, right? | 02:30:09 | |
If they spend this money can you give me a percentage of like what you're increasing the chances of building works arrive and he's | 02:30:13 | |
like. | 02:30:16 | |
No, He's like, I can tell you I'm improving your chances and improving it by 70% or 20%. He's like, I don't really know. | 02:30:20 | |
Right. He's like this is just best practices. | 02:30:27 | |
Of improving the chances that this building could be used. | 02:30:30 | |
After a large size. | 02:30:34 | |
Right. The life safety, which is just the roof fitting, he's like, absolutely. | 02:30:35 | |
We're feeling really, really confident that with just those changes we can at least make this building. | 02:30:39 | |
Safe to get people out. | 02:30:45 | |
Beyond that, it becomes more. | 02:30:47 | |
Less kind of like. | 02:30:50 | |
An evaluation of exactly dollar for like safety improvement. | 02:30:53 | |
A kind of paying payout. You can't really evaluate it that way from there on out, right? | 02:30:58 | |
It's going to be. | 02:31:02 | |
How much you know you think is worthwhile versus the kind of intrusion to kind of be again existing building which then causes? | 02:31:03 | |
Remodeling and revisions as well as you know again if this building is. | 02:31:12 | |
How important is this building to be maintained? | 02:31:16 | |
Emphasizing event occurs, right? | 02:31:20 | |
And also the money that's kind of starting to add up to it. | 02:31:22 | |
And again, we, we even had a discussion internally. We're like well you know they kept on saying the big one. | 02:31:25 | |
You know, I was 8 years old remembering that they were saying the big ones coming in 10 years, we're gonna. | 02:31:30 | |
And we still haven't seen the big ones. So, so that mean that it's. | 02:31:35 | |
Closer to coming or not, I don't, We don't know. Right. So in some respects, yeah, as a council, you guys gonna play that? | 02:31:39 | |
The the game of chance and summers what what I'm hearing now is the love of $1.00 investment is is very good is Big Bang for your | 02:31:47 | |
buck exactly. But the but the investment between one and two starts to get squishy and. | 02:31:54 | |
Beyond that, it probably doesn't make sense and it should just be rebuilding it, right? You're building right. I think it's a. | 02:32:02 | |
Fair debate, though, to have between 1:00 and 2:00. Yeah, I think you're right. | 02:32:08 | |
Understand like. | 02:32:13 | |
Well, particularly since we bonded 10 million bucks to do all the storm water and streets. | 02:32:15 | |
And then we're talking about for level 2, same amount just for the building. | 02:32:20 | |
Yeah. | 02:32:25 | |
And what would be the cost of earthquake insurance, right? I was thinking that. I mean beyond, beyond life. | 02:32:26 | |
Protection, which ought to be an absolute priority for the staff, would be unwise protection maybe. | 02:32:32 | |
Maybe you look at the financial piece as well, maybe we just. | 02:32:38 | |
Get everybody out and then let's buy some insurance. | 02:32:41 | |
I think those are the kind of the debates. | 02:32:45 | |
That they need to have, yeah, because I think that's. | 02:32:49 | |
Fair. | 02:32:53 | |
To get. | 02:32:55 | |
You're going to get. | 02:32:57 | |
10% more for double the price, is that like I think it's a fair 10% or 60% if you don't know, well it's 10%. | 02:32:58 | |
So I think we just talked about you know when we want to schedule work meeting to kind of go through this and see if we can start. | 02:33:12 | |
Working our way towards a consensus. | 02:33:18 | |
Right. But I think this is great help. Yeah, sure. Council, any additional information you would need for that conversation? | 02:33:22 | |
One thing I was wondering is. | 02:33:32 | |
I I don't know if and how our building fits into emergency preparedness. | 02:33:34 | |
Plans for the the county and the state. | 02:33:40 | |
Are they relying on this building at all? | 02:33:44 | |
For any of that. | 02:33:47 | |
We can get you a little more detail, but the quick answer is. | 02:33:50 | |
Probably not. Probably not. Yeah, but. | 02:33:54 | |
It is where we house our Police Department. | 02:33:58 | |
And so in terms of protection of our first responders, it's fairly critical. | 02:34:01 | |
Yeah. Also you you'd mentioned the Justice Court issue. | 02:34:07 | |
About, you know, if we moved out, but even if we moved downstairs, does that create a contractual problem for us? | 02:34:11 | |
Because we don't have the holding cells downstairs. There's all kinds of goofy things there. Yeah, I think we would need to. | 02:34:21 | |
Discuss that with the administrative office of the courts. There's a list of things that we need to provide, and if we were | 02:34:30 | |
providing them in an alternate location, I think would be OK. | 02:34:36 | |
And whether it's inside the building or in different building, that might just be sixes. | 02:34:44 | |
Well, I think. | 02:34:51 | |
I think the question about earthquake insurance and see if. | 02:34:54 | |
Then is there any way to kind of clarify what a ballpark is, if, if it's even insurable, and if it is, how much that is that may | 02:34:58 | |
factor into a decision? | 02:35:03 | |
Yeah, because I agree with you. It's like well. | 02:35:09 | |
If we can. | 02:35:12 | |
Garrett, if we can protect the life safety issue. | 02:35:14 | |
And but we're uncertain as to the survivability of the structure. | 02:35:18 | |
They would just ensure the structure, yeah. And. | 02:35:23 | |
Then we take the risk that if something happens, we have an insurance piece to help us. At that point, you're going to be talking | 02:35:27 | |
about tearing it down anyway. | 02:35:30 | |
And. | 02:35:35 | |
I think it's a fair debate to have, but it'd be nice, it'd be nice to see. | 02:35:37 | |
If that insurance is available and how much it is, yeah. | 02:35:42 | |
And then kind of amortize it over whatever period of time, so. | 02:35:46 | |
OK. Any other questions for me? Anything else? | 02:35:54 | |
Tina, do you need, I mean is that are we good there? Great discussion. Thank you. | 02:35:57 | |
Small pieces of information. | 02:36:02 | |
Whether we could obtain earthquake insurance and then the question about the the role of our building in emergency preparedness | 02:36:04 | |
for the county, county wide. | 02:36:10 | |
Anything else? | 02:36:16 | |
There is one justice Court issue. Justice Court, thank you. | 02:36:18 | |
OK. Thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you. | 02:36:24 | |
Jared, the moment you've been waiting for. | 02:36:30 | |
By the way, Jared, thank you. I forgot to say. | 02:36:34 | |
The project, all the new water mains and the new pavement has just been finished. And it is. | 02:36:39 | |
Fabulous and everyone loves you. | 02:36:46 | |
All that. All that water. | 02:36:49 | |
Went down to Highland Drive, now bubbling up. | 02:36:52 | |
Island. Yeah, yeah. Spring Lake. And then give us the other tickets. | 02:36:56 | |
That's folded so badly. | 02:37:01 | |
Started crying. | 02:37:05 | |
Did you say Don't you know who I am? | 02:37:08 | |
Very soon. | 02:37:13 | |
So and and you should know about this. | 02:37:17 | |
Alright, well. | 02:37:22 | |
More riveting information here for you guys. | 02:37:25 | |
We have been working on analyzing and reviewing and studying. | 02:37:30 | |
Our storm drain projects over the last year. | 02:37:37 | |
And. | 02:37:41 | |
I wanted to take some time and present those to you and. | 02:37:43 | |
One, so we have 5 projects here. | 02:37:51 | |
Um. | 02:37:55 | |
This one here is was originally. | 02:37:57 | |
Plan to be done in two phases and then after talking with Gina and. | 02:38:01 | |
Getting a little bit more feedback we. | 02:38:06 | |
Said We're going to. | 02:38:09 | |
Combine this into one project, Get it all done. This is our Metamorphic area Storm drain project. This is where we have had some | 02:38:11 | |
severe flooding. | 02:38:16 | |
In people's homes. | 02:38:23 | |
This is because of a storm drain that was built. | 02:38:25 | |
That runs behind people's backyards. | 02:38:29 | |
It's in a location with. | 02:38:33 | |
That. | 02:38:38 | |
The access points are inaccessible. | 02:38:39 | |
For our storm drain cleaning equipment like the big vactor trucks. | 02:38:42 | |
The storm drain. | 02:38:48 | |
Hasn't been protected like the the location of. It hasn't been protected from structures and. | 02:38:51 | |
Vegetation over the top of it or? | 02:39:00 | |
What we're seeing are a lot of big trees with roots that have grown into the pipe joints, blocking the capacity of the pipe. | 02:39:04 | |
So when? | 02:39:16 | |
In this area. | 02:39:17 | |
Collects a large. | 02:39:19 | |
Or this pipe has a large collection area of stormwater and it collects groundwater. | 02:39:22 | |
So during all of this combines answer question, yeah is this sort of a unique thing to this area, these backyard based stormwater | 02:39:29 | |
drains versus street based ones? | 02:39:35 | |
Is this is this the unique for here or do we have this kind of backyard stuff all over the city? | 02:39:41 | |
This is our worst case, but we do have several of these. Yeah, in my backyard. | 02:39:46 | |
Yeah. | 02:39:52 | |
We don't have money for that. | 02:39:54 | |
OK. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, so. | 02:39:58 | |
Uh, two years ago, we there there were. | 02:40:00 | |
5. | 02:40:05 | |
Houses that had reported flooding and then there were a number of other houses. | 02:40:07 | |
That didn't flood that didn't really report it to the city with the claim that we eventually denied. | 02:40:12 | |
So I think. | 02:40:20 | |
More Dale Circle is 1. | 02:40:24 | |
Where we hit hit four houses all next to each other. | 02:40:27 | |
I wanna cross the street from Meadow Moore Drive or Meadow Moore Rd. | 02:40:32 | |
There were some basements there that were also flooded. | 02:40:40 | |
But this whole thing is a ticking time bomb. | 02:40:44 | |
Just because, again, the backyard. | 02:40:48 | |
Can't maintain it, trees growing into it. | 02:40:50 | |
Um, so the solution to this is to reconstruct the storm drain? | 02:40:54 | |
Down the roadway that we can access and that we can maintain. | 02:41:00 | |
And that. | 02:41:05 | |
Roots are not going to grow into. | 02:41:06 | |
Um. | 02:41:08 | |
We are. We are thinking that the existing pipe might. | 02:41:10 | |
Have 50% capacity in it. So we are designing the system so that we can. | 02:41:15 | |
Put orifices or blocks in front of. | 02:41:22 | |
The where the water would enter into the existing pipe. | 02:41:25 | |
And we would block it. | 02:41:29 | |
At a 50% capacity and we'll be able to make adjustments to it in the future. | 02:41:30 | |
To the point of closing it off at 100%. | 02:41:36 | |
Umm. | 02:41:40 | |
And at the same time utilizing the new storm drain at 100% capacity. | 02:41:42 | |
Umm. | 02:41:48 | |
So this is the alignment I don't know if you want. I mean the the new alignment is in black and then the existing alignment is in | 02:41:49 | |
blue. | 02:41:53 | |
So generally it runs from Green Street up to Kings Row, where it connects back in to that existing system by the ball field. | 02:41:58 | |
So we have 100% design on this and it's out to bid and the bid is scheduled to close. | 02:42:08 | |
Monday. | 02:42:17 | |
The budget for this is $2,000,000. | 02:42:19 | |
Or 2.1. | 02:42:22 | |
So, Jared, you just. | 02:42:25 | |
Imagine the old part. | 02:42:26 | |
No. So we are going to leave it in place. Um. | 02:42:28 | |
Just close off access. | 02:42:33 | |
We're going for now, limit the. | 02:42:34 | |
Amount of water that can enter into that pipe at a 50% capacity. | 02:42:38 | |
There is, so that doesn't. | 02:42:44 | |
I understand ethics. What? What is it? | 02:42:50 | |
So. | 02:42:53 | |
What are hooking up to and where is it dumping into? | 02:42:54 | |
Like is it a viable storm drain on Crown Colony? Where it's? | 02:42:58 | |
It's dumping into the same place at Crown Colony, right? You know, where does it go from there? So yeah, right there on Kings Row | 02:43:03 | |
Run. | 02:43:07 | |
Does a arch around the back of the ball field. | 02:43:11 | |
And then it runs through more people's backyards to 13th East and then it crosses 13th east and runs down to properties until it | 02:43:15 | |
enters into the. | 02:43:19 | |
Salt Lake City. | 02:43:24 | |
A property in Mill Creek and then it connects over to Van Winkle and then to melt into Mill Creek. So it flows pretty well from | 02:43:26 | |
that point, no? | 02:43:31 | |
So that's our phase three. | 02:43:39 | |
Uh, which we have. | 02:43:41 | |
We. | 02:43:44 | |
We are continuing to study our phase three area UM. | 02:43:45 | |
Focusing more on the portion that runs through the Salt Lake. | 02:43:51 | |
City property. | 02:43:54 | |
Um, and. | 02:43:56 | |
We are continuing to. | 02:43:58 | |
Struggle with a viable solution. | 02:44:03 | |
To where it runs behind Rebecca St. | 02:44:06 | |
Ohh. | 02:44:10 | |
And type that runs around the back of the ball field is in very good condition. | 02:44:11 | |
Up until where it joins into Rebecca and from Rebecca it goes. | 02:44:16 | |
I don't know if you have a regular area aerial, John. | 02:44:23 | |
Um. | 02:44:27 | |
Guess we're just a bit too far West to get into. | 02:44:31 | |
Big Common Creek, right? | 02:44:34 | |
We looked at a few alignment options, taking it directly South into Big Cottonwood Creek, and we're not really finding a viable | 02:44:37 | |
alignment. | 02:44:43 | |
So I'm gonna. | 02:44:50 | |
Point overall. Rebecca's the the circle there. Gotcha. Ohh OK. | 02:44:52 | |
The height. | 02:45:00 | |
We're gonna connect in here, right pipe runs along the path. | 02:45:01 | |
Side of this ball field. | 02:45:05 | |
And that's in good shape. | 02:45:08 | |
Into Rebecca's circle. | 02:45:10 | |
And then? | 02:45:12 | |
From this point it has. | 02:45:13 | |
Through these lots and it runs between it runs behind these lots. | 02:45:15 | |
And this apartment complex over the 13. | 02:45:20 | |
This section in here, we haven't been able to video it. | 02:45:24 | |
Because of the lack of access, so I'm not actually 100% certain what. | 02:45:29 | |
Conditioners. | 02:45:34 | |
I see a whole big line of trees right there. It's just, yeah, yeah. | 02:45:37 | |
Yeah. | 02:45:42 | |
And. | 02:45:44 | |
I can tell you that the property owners. | 02:45:45 | |
We'll fight tooth and nail. | 02:45:49 | |
About having those trees removed. | 02:45:50 | |
So. | 02:45:55 | |
Karama. | 02:46:00 | |
But. | 02:46:01 | |
What we're going to address now will. | 02:46:03 | |
Alleviate the flooding on the. | 02:46:07 | |
Properties that had. | 02:46:10 | |
Experience Um. | 02:46:12 | |
The flooding. | 02:46:16 | |
Two years ago. | 02:46:17 | |
There was some. There was actually. | 02:46:19 | |
Two or three properties that were flooded on Rebecca Circle. | 02:46:21 | |
And we're still trying to determine if it had more to do with the fact that the greats. | 02:46:26 | |
On. | 02:46:32 | |
The apartment complex. | 02:46:36 | |
So there there are strong grain grades here for this apartment complex that connected to it. | 02:46:40 | |
And these were clogged with leaves and things. | 02:46:45 | |
And we think that that was the being issue. | 02:46:48 | |
The clogging of the grace. | 02:46:52 | |
Where the water flooded over the curb and. | 02:46:54 | |
The backyards. | 02:46:57 | |
So if we keep the apartment complex clear. | 02:46:59 | |
Yeah. | 02:47:04 | |
But. | 02:47:05 | |
There have been some maintenance people at the. | 02:47:08 | |
Apartment complex that says no. Even if we clear the grades, the pipe still doesn't have the capacity. | 02:47:12 | |
We think that that might have more to do with the issue happening in Salt Lake City property then. | 02:47:19 | |
Means not necessarily the pipe directly here in behind Rebecca circle. | 02:47:27 | |
So. | 02:47:35 | |
We still have a few unknowns. | 02:47:36 | |
Any other questions about metal more project? | 02:47:42 | |
Otherwise, I'll. | 02:47:45 | |
Continue to Project 2. | 02:47:46 | |
And we're going to start first with what we call a catchment area. | 02:47:53 | |
Or uh. | 02:47:57 | |
The drainage basin. | 02:47:58 | |
This is. | 02:48:01 | |
Addressing continuing to address problems with how we drive. | 02:48:03 | |
And in addition to. | 02:48:08 | |
The issues of how we drive were addressing. | 02:48:11 | |
Issues that are occurring on 2300. I live at the bottom of this catchment area. So yeah I catch I catch all of the you know what | 02:48:14 | |
the bottom of the hill that's where that where we got the picture. The lake on the cul-de-sac. Yeah, yeah that's that's Sonoma, | 02:48:20 | |
which is just. | 02:48:25 | |
So Rick Sonoma, we call. | 02:48:32 | |
You can actually water ski on that big storm. | 02:48:35 | |
This conduct hanging. | 02:48:39 | |
So. | 02:48:42 | |
The purple area represents all the. | 02:48:43 | |
Stormwater that could potentially drain over land. | 02:48:47 | |
To how we drive in Sonoma Drive. | 02:48:52 | |
In smaller storm events, the stuff east of 23 actually gets. | 02:48:56 | |
It doesn't cross 23 E, it'll be. | 02:49:01 | |
Conveyed into some pipes and catch basins on 23 E. | 02:49:05 | |
In heavier storm events. | 02:49:10 | |
Stormwater will cross the crown on 23 E and then continue. | 02:49:14 | |
Over into Howie and Sonoma. | 02:49:19 | |
Um. | 02:49:22 | |
So to alleviate the water, how we. | 02:49:24 | |
And Sonoma. | 02:49:28 | |
We. | 02:49:30 | |
And to address a second problem which we're having on 23 E where we have a storm, do you want to go ahead and go to the next slide | 02:49:32 | |
slide? | 02:49:36 | |
Our. | 02:49:42 | |
Let let me explain how the current storm drain system works on 2300 E. | 02:49:43 | |
We have a private road called Rent Haven Rd. and then. | 02:49:49 | |
At that road, there's two existing catch basins that are in yellow. | 02:49:55 | |
And. | 02:50:00 | |
They collect a little bit of water off of rent haven and a lot of water off of 2300 E. | 02:50:02 | |
And it. | 02:50:09 | |
Goes through the. | 02:50:10 | |
Catch basins and it goes through the person's side yard and then through the person's backyard and then out to. | 02:50:12 | |
2300 cent. | 02:50:21 | |
Down to the I215. | 02:50:24 | |
Not route. | 02:50:27 | |
Drainage system. | 02:50:28 | |
Um, we cannot. | 02:50:31 | |
The the system. | 02:50:33 | |
Is undersized and that's why we get. | 02:50:36 | |
Topping over on 2300 E and then where it continues West. | 02:50:40 | |
Umm. | 02:50:45 | |
We are continuing to have maintenance issues on this guy's private property. | 02:50:46 | |
Where the system was inundating. | 02:50:51 | |
His. | 02:50:56 | |
His rear yard and. | 02:50:58 | |
He's spending. | 02:51:00 | |
Well, from my understanding I have validated but 10s of thousands of dollars. | 02:51:04 | |
On a regular basis dealing with this issue. | 02:51:09 | |
Fred Kraut, He's the HOA president. | 02:51:12 | |
For the subdivision E, it's just what's the Is this that what subdivision Red Haven? | 02:51:15 | |
For dinner basements. | 02:51:22 | |
Oh, oh, OK, OK now I know where you're talking about just the one that goes up the hill. Just just he just the the freeways just. | 02:51:25 | |
So this is. | 02:51:36 | |
This project will kill two birds with one stone. One is it will alleviate the impacts to this property owner. | 02:51:38 | |
And then two, it will alleviate. | 02:51:47 | |
Excess storm water. | 02:51:50 | |
Going later now we in Sonoma. | 02:51:53 | |
But Sonoma. | 02:51:56 | |
Sonoma, yeah. | 02:51:58 | |
You know. | 02:51:59 | |
Any questions about this project and how much? | 02:52:01 | |
Um, I'll give you Do you want to hit that now or wait till the end? Ohh, let's wait till the end. | 02:52:04 | |
I do have concepts in this. It's about 10% of what. | 02:52:10 | |
Well, that's cheaper in our district. | 02:52:15 | |
OK, so. | 02:52:20 | |
I'm saving one of the. | 02:52:23 | |
More fun and complicated areas for our last three projects. | 02:52:25 | |
Umm. | 02:52:31 | |
Which are kind of all in one area so. | 02:52:34 | |
The colored areas represent 3 drainage basins. | 02:52:37 | |
Umm. | 02:52:43 | |
The purple, the. | 02:52:44 | |
Blue and then the green. | 02:52:46 | |
Each one of these areas will end up with their own separate project. | 02:52:50 | |
So the issues that we have going on in this area. | 02:52:55 | |
Are that we are. | 02:53:00 | |
Draining a lot of water into undersized and old. | 02:53:02 | |
Irrigation system. | 02:53:06 | |
And we are causing. | 02:53:09 | |
Minor flooding on a couple of properties, one in particular. | 02:53:13 | |
And. | 02:53:17 | |
We have a ticking time bomb with the way the existing. | 02:53:19 | |
Irrigation system is. | 02:53:24 | |
Well, we're not. This is another one that we're not able to properly maintain either, because it runs through people's rear yards. | 02:53:27 | |
And we have. | 02:53:35 | |
Heavy vegetation over the top of it. | 02:53:37 | |
And again, there's also root intrusion into the irrigation piping. | 02:53:39 | |
Umm. | 02:53:45 | |
So. | 02:53:47 | |
If you want to, we may flip back to this one if you guys have further questions about it, but we're going to, we're going to go | 02:53:50 | |
into the Project 1 here. | 02:53:54 | |
Um. | 02:53:59 | |
So project one is to. | 02:54:00 | |
Run a storm drain from. | 02:54:04 | |
Shenae Glanis Crystal Afflecks Property South. | 02:54:09 | |
Down Cottonwood Lane Rd. Two Big Cottonwood Creek. | 02:54:13 | |
This will. | 02:54:18 | |
Pick up the stormwater on Cottonwood Lane and separate it from the irrigation and convey that storm water. | 02:54:20 | |
To a proper place for its outlet into. | 02:54:30 | |
Outfall into Big Copper Creek. | 02:54:36 | |
Any questions about this specific project? | 02:54:47 | |
I'm trying to picture this, so this is. | 02:54:51 | |
The green represents the irrigation system. | 02:54:53 | |
I don't want the allocation that is about. | 02:54:56 | |
What is it? It's just, you know, we're, you know, Cottonwood Lane, Holiday Blvd. Make a point. | 02:54:59 | |
This is further South Down Cottonwood Lane. | 02:55:05 | |
Is that right? Yeah, it's just north of me. | 02:55:08 | |
Lindsey McCarthy's part Ohh, I got you OK? | 02:55:11 | |
We would. | 02:55:17 | |
Also, pick up Stormwater on Heaven. That's Heaven Lane. | 02:55:19 | |
Yeah, that's the corner of heaven. That's where we're all the cows are. OK, Gotcha. Yeah. And this area has been of Protect | 02:55:23 | |
particularly problematic over several years. | 02:55:28 | |
I used to all be horse pasture and it was all. | 02:55:35 | |
Yeah. | 02:55:38 | |
Now that it gets developed and works, more impervious service and more room, yeah. | 02:55:39 | |
Yeah, so. | 02:55:45 | |
Much of this does run alongside that pasture. | 02:55:47 | |
Down Cotton Lane. | 02:55:51 | |
Does this. Does this? | 02:55:56 | |
Between. | 02:55:59 | |
This one and the one I'm sure you're going to show me. It's further east by Cottonwood Elementary. | 02:56:00 | |
Does this do anything to address those issues in terms of what's flowing down the irrigation ditches and? | 02:56:05 | |
This particular one doesn't, except for anything that would continue. | 02:56:13 | |
Well spent through Crystal Affleck's property. | 02:56:19 | |
OK, it doesn't address anything to the east. So now where did this use the drainage? Is this used to drain into the irrigation or | 02:56:23 | |
rerouting it? It all drains in through an irrigation. | 02:56:28 | |
And yes. | 02:56:34 | |
So reroute, undersized, flowing into irrigation. | 02:56:36 | |
Instead, the big cotton down to the Creek. | 02:56:39 | |
Yes, We're not screwing up anybody's water rights in the area. So our plan is that we completely separate irrigation from | 02:56:42 | |
stormwater. | 02:56:46 | |
Right now, any? | 02:56:52 | |
Thing that happens in that irrigation pipe. | 02:56:54 | |
All the fingers come pointing back to us. | 02:56:57 | |
What's the source of irrigation if not storm water? | 02:57:01 | |
Upper canal supplies. Stormwater. I mean supplies. The irrigation water. Water, yeah. | 02:57:06 | |
And then the upper canal is is sourced by. | 02:57:16 | |
Higher up on Big Cottonwood or some other water sources in the springtime Big Cottonwood and then after this flows reduce they. | 02:57:19 | |
Pump from. | 02:57:30 | |
Jordan River, the the Salt Lake City Canal. So there's a pump station over on 6200 S Just. | 02:57:31 | |
Next to the store, almost right. So we've been kind of borrowing for stormwater, they want to reroute back out of there. | 02:57:38 | |
Go right to the Creek. | 02:57:47 | |
Well, they run that. | 02:57:49 | |
What was your question? Well, so we're essentially getting out of draining into the irrigation, yes. | 02:57:53 | |
Exactly. Then there's a problem, they say. Yeah, the problem. | 02:57:58 | |
The irrigation system was never designed to convey the storm water. | 02:58:03 | |
The pipes are in. | 02:58:08 | |
Horrible condition. | 02:58:10 | |
We are flooding properties and. | 02:58:14 | |
That's. | 02:58:17 | |
You know, This is why we did our bonding to build projects, yeah, just want to understand where it was going that. | 02:58:18 | |
We had it going into the irrigation ditches, which was a bad decision at some point and now we're fixing that, yes, to go to the | 02:58:25 | |
cut one. | 02:58:29 | |
Yeah. | 02:58:32 | |
Any other questions about our Cottonwood Lane Storm Drain project? | 02:58:36 | |
OK. I'll move on to our Hilton. | 02:58:42 | |
Stronger project. | 02:58:46 | |
So we have. | 02:58:48 | |
A fair bit of storm drain on. | 02:58:51 | |
Highland Drive that. | 02:58:54 | |
Gets collected in catch basins. | 02:58:57 | |
And then piped into the irrigation lateral. | 02:59:00 | |
At the top. | 02:59:07 | |
Dead end portion of Hilton or our red circle is here. | 02:59:08 | |
And Jared, when you said Highland Drive, I think you meant Holiday Blvd. | 02:59:16 | |
So we we have this storm drain system that. | 02:59:22 | |
Drops into our irrigation. | 02:59:27 | |
System there. | 02:59:31 | |
At this red circle. | 02:59:33 | |
So as the irrigation system. | 02:59:37 | |
Gets routed parallel to Holiday Blvd. To the north. | 02:59:40 | |
And then kind of cuts around to the West. | 02:59:45 | |
That is running behind several people's private. | 02:59:48 | |
Property or, well, it runs through a lot of private. All of it runs through private property. | 02:59:52 | |
We cannot get in the necessary equipment. | 02:59:58 | |
There to properly maintain and again same story. | 03:00:01 | |
Um. | 03:00:05 | |
It. | 03:00:07 | |
Adds additional flow to the. | 03:00:09 | |
Irrigation system, that. | 03:00:12 | |
It doesn't have capacity for. | 03:00:14 | |
And. | 03:00:16 | |
We in that system is. | 03:00:18 | |
In very poor condition. | 03:00:23 | |
Is it going on this proposed one? As you get to the lower left of it, is that road there? | 03:00:26 | |
Covered up by trees? Or are you going through private property at lower left them? | 03:00:32 | |
As it comes downhills them. | 03:00:36 | |
Yes. So the we do have a road there and. | 03:00:39 | |
We come into a point at the very end of Hilton. | 03:00:43 | |
Where there's actually a concrete ramp. | 03:00:47 | |
Down into the bottom of Big Cottonwood Creek that Salt Lake County built. | 03:00:49 | |
Fact after the 83 and 84 floods. | 03:00:54 | |
And. | 03:00:58 | |
We would. | 03:01:00 | |
Outfall in. | 03:01:01 | |
To that ramp area. | 03:01:03 | |
So would this be a situation where I'm seeing where the existing storm drain is and then it? | 03:01:05 | |
It terminates at. | 03:01:11 | |
Hey, your irrigation ditch, right. So that is Lindsey McCarthy's heat. There's a head gate there that we would just cross. We're | 03:01:13 | |
not going to discharge into that ditch. We just on the plan here. There's that little green line. Is that where you're commenting | 03:01:19 | |
on? Well, I think. | 03:01:25 | |
This. | 03:01:32 | |
May be the problem. | 03:01:33 | |
With the McCarthy Galanis issue is. | 03:01:35 | |
The stormwater terminates where the ditch is, and that ends up so this would catch that storm water and dump it into the river | 03:01:38 | |
rather than let it go down. The escalation checklist currently where the red dot is, that's where it discharges that green lateral | 03:01:44 | |
ditch that goes through. | 03:01:51 | |
Lindsey McCarthy's property and the Glanis Pond. | 03:01:58 | |
And the Crystal Affleck, this would take that water down a storm pipe into the river, yes? So everything on High Holiday Blvd. | 03:02:01 | |
would then. | 03:02:06 | |
Not run into the irrigation. | 03:02:13 | |
And instead get routed down to the common trees. | 03:02:15 | |
Gotcha. | 03:02:19 | |
So again, another separation project, yeah. | 03:02:21 | |
Ohh Jared the the. | 03:02:27 | |
The massive flooding has been at the house. You already have two white dots. | 03:02:30 | |
Existing manholes. | 03:02:37 | |
The massive flooding has been to that house, just just to the left of that that. | 03:02:39 | |
Lower white dot right? | 03:02:44 | |
But I don't we're we're not doing any other kind of new construction to alleviate that problem or you know what I'm you know I'm | 03:02:47 | |
talking about where right where that little triangular piece of. | 03:02:52 | |
Of you know, there's that triangular piece that is between Hillston and Holiday Blvd. | 03:02:58 | |
And there's a house right across the street. | 03:03:05 | |
Where the the Lindsey house? Yeah, up up at the white. No, the white dot up at the. | 03:03:10 | |
Right there. | 03:03:15 | |
Yeah. | 03:03:16 | |
The very top. | 03:03:19 | |
Yeah, turn your turn. Your map a little bit. | 03:03:21 | |
It's a. | 03:03:25 | |
It's it's the it's the it's the manholes, the white manhole. | 03:03:28 | |
With the with the 2 orange inlets, right? Yeah, right there. That house right next to there. | 03:03:32 | |
That house is the one where we've had massive flooding, so is that the one we bought? | 03:03:38 | |
No, OK. No, no. | 03:03:42 | |
We. | 03:03:45 | |
So we we fixed that already, OK? | 03:03:46 | |
OK. | 03:03:51 | |
What you're saying about having a straight shutdown of the continent Creek makes a lot of sense down down the lower Hillston. | 03:03:54 | |
Yeah, and. | 03:04:01 | |
Again, like we had some really expensive. | 03:04:04 | |
Properties in there, Yeah, yeah, and. | 03:04:07 | |
That storm or that irrigation lateral, it could very easily. | 03:04:11 | |
Cause. | 03:04:18 | |
Huge damage, then we wash our hands of. | 03:04:20 | |
And if we can bypass that one runs behind, it's not our storm water. Eliminates huge risks, yeah. | 03:04:23 | |
It really does. | 03:04:32 | |
Umm. | 03:04:35 | |
So any other questions about the Hilton Storm drain project? | 03:04:38 | |
And then we'll move on to the. | 03:04:42 | |
Last stronger in project which is on Casco lane, which again is in the same area and again addresses similar problems. | 03:04:45 | |
Umm. | 03:04:57 | |
So this is. | 03:05:01 | |
We've been kind of working our bottom up. | 03:05:02 | |
So we have stormwater getting into pretty much the same lateral at three different locations I've shown you. | 03:05:06 | |
The previous two and then this is the last location which is on Castle Lane. | 03:05:15 | |
Where we don't have a curbed gutter system. | 03:05:20 | |
And everything that runs. | 03:05:23 | |
Into the shoulders and off of people's lots into that. | 03:05:27 | |
I mean off of the pavement area and off of people's lots. It goes into the shoulder, which then goes into. | 03:05:32 | |
Open. Ditch. | 03:05:38 | |
Along Castle Lane, which is that irrigation lateral? | 03:05:40 | |
We do have a few catch basins. | 03:05:43 | |
That discharge into that irrigation lateral as well. | 03:05:47 | |
So this project would be to tie. | 03:05:52 | |
Or to build a storm drain up castle lane to catch those catch basins. | 03:05:57 | |
And to also. | 03:06:04 | |
Either in close or build curb gutter. | 03:06:08 | |
In front of the. | 03:06:12 | |
Irrigation lateral so that our public stormwater doesn't get into the lateral. | 03:06:15 | |
So. | 03:06:22 | |
This would tie into an existing storm drain on Holiday Blvd. which was designed for this future project. | 03:06:23 | |
Where does that empty? | 03:06:32 | |
It actually continues all the way N to Murray Holiday Road and then it goes down Murray Holladay Rd. | 03:06:34 | |
To follow at that great Salt Lake County clears. | 03:06:41 | |
Ohh, just behind it. It's called. | 03:06:48 | |
The Neck Creek, right. OK. | 03:06:51 | |
Great. | 03:06:54 | |
Yeah. | 03:06:56 | |
That's the end discharge. | 03:06:57 | |
So Jerry, this is a pretty steep journey. | 03:07:00 | |
When you say you'd build curb and gutter, would you have? | 03:07:04 | |
Drains along that gutter, so to put it into the. | 03:07:07 | |
To the storm drain. | 03:07:11 | |
We want like, like we've we're building a storm drain system up. | 03:07:13 | |
She got half the length of cast down. | 03:07:18 | |
But yes, we would add catch basins at this point to collect. | 03:07:21 | |
Anything running down the curb gutter. | 03:07:26 | |
Our intent is to eliminate all storm water, public storm water from getting into the. | 03:07:29 | |
Irrigation minerals. | 03:07:36 | |
There very well could be. | 03:07:38 | |
Private stormwater coming off of lots that could enter into the irrigation system. | 03:07:41 | |
But. | 03:07:48 | |
My. | 03:07:50 | |
Our opinion is that that's. | 03:07:51 | |
For the irrigation company. | 03:07:54 | |
Address and handle because it's not public stormwater. | 03:07:56 | |
Thank you. | 03:08:01 | |
Full full curb and then gutter or just gutter. | 03:08:06 | |
When I said I mean like my street, yes. So some portions of caso does have curbing gutter, some portions the irrigation pipe is | 03:08:12 | |
buried. | 03:08:17 | |
So we are looking at the sections where it's open that stormwater could get into. | 03:08:23 | |
That we would either bury. | 03:08:30 | |
The open portion or we would put curb gutter in front of it. | 03:08:33 | |
So I don't have all the details as to which section where and have that. | 03:08:38 | |
Yeah. | 03:08:44 | |
So that's our last storm drain project in addition to that we do have. | 03:08:48 | |
Uh, we are. | 03:08:55 | |
Looking at all of the storm drain videos that we've done and we're focusing on our Canyon Cove area for resigning or not resigning | 03:08:57 | |
but rehabilitating. | 03:09:03 | |
A lot of it. | 03:09:09 | |
Metal pipes up there also. | 03:09:12 | |
Other types as a lot of wallas go. | 03:09:15 | |
To Hola. | 03:09:18 | |
We who are. | 03:09:20 | |
Some other Hawaiian streets. | 03:09:22 | |
But. | 03:09:27 | |
Here's our cost estimates for the project. You could. | 03:09:29 | |
Take a look at him. I'm not going to read out the numbers, but. | 03:09:33 | |
The total for the storm bearing projects is really about 5 million. | 03:09:37 | |
Um, we're looking at another 1.5 million for lining and rehabilitation. | 03:09:42 | |
Which would give us a total of about. | 03:09:50 | |
Six and a half million dollars for these projects that we. | 03:09:52 | |
Will be constructing over the next 18 months. | 03:09:57 | |
And these are all paid for. | 03:10:00 | |
With our bond funds, yes. | 03:10:02 | |
And their point wasn't upon 10 million. | 03:10:05 | |
Yes, so is the. | 03:10:08 | |
So we still have. | 03:10:11 | |
Or are we still gonna have 3 million? | 03:10:13 | |
Of bonding capacity. | 03:10:15 | |
Left for projects. | 03:10:18 | |
Down the road, I think we are spending 1,000,000 on the. | 03:10:20 | |
Holiday Blvd. property that we purchased, yeah. | 03:10:25 | |
Can it be bonds or is that? | 03:10:30 | |
Start using ARPA. OK, so we do have. These are our main projects. Some of our other projects do include storm drain cleaning and | 03:10:33 | |
mapping and. | 03:10:39 | |
For gutter replacement and waterway replacement, which we've been working on those. | 03:10:47 | |
In addition to a few other. | 03:10:54 | |
Several other small projects. | 03:10:56 | |
We've. | 03:10:59 | |
Actually. | 03:11:00 | |
Already built, probably 10 small drain systems to mitigate small areas. | 03:11:02 | |
Umm. | 03:11:10 | |
But these are. | 03:11:11 | |
Uh, the big areas that we've been. | 03:11:13 | |
Planning for the last year. I'm trying to remember Gina because. | 03:11:15 | |
I mean the storm drain piece, there was a a infrastructure need. | 03:11:20 | |
But then there's an ongoing maintenance need. | 03:11:25 | |
And. | 03:11:28 | |
I'm trying to remember that the gap or the delta between. | 03:11:31 | |
What what our revenue is and the bond payment then what's going to we're going to have leftover for ongoing maintenance. So I | 03:11:35 | |
think our original plan which we should probably revisit was to kind of escalate our stormwater payment over time to close that | 03:11:43 | |
gap because bond bond. | 03:11:51 | |
Sources or one time revenue and we shouldn't really plan on that for ongoing maintenance costs? | 03:12:00 | |
Um, maybe that's something we could schedule in November, just to revisit that, Yeah. Or budget season. But you, you were paying. | 03:12:07 | |
You're kind of reading my mind there that. | 03:12:12 | |
You know. | 03:12:19 | |
I think just to. | 03:12:20 | |
Put it out in front of the Council that. | 03:12:22 | |
We're putting in this these nice improvements which are needed, but the reason we got into this situation is. | 03:12:25 | |
Not enough investment, just ongoing maintenance that we need to commit to two. | 03:12:32 | |
And how much revenue is? | 03:12:37 | |
Our stormwater peak going to bring in how much is bond payment going to be But. | 03:12:40 | |
You know, I think what Sheena is referring to is when we went through our whole process with the. | 03:12:45 | |
Citizen Advisory Group and. | 03:12:51 | |
Lewis. Roberts. Young it was. | 03:12:54 | |
I think on the residential end. | 03:12:56 | |
We were putting, I think we're we were. | 03:12:58 | |
At a $6.50 ER U or something like that for residential. | 03:13:01 | |
But the recommendation was. | 03:13:06 | |
As I recall three or four or five years down the road or whatever it was that we needed to bump that to like 950 for that very | 03:13:08 | |
reason if that we need to make sure we're also raising. | 03:13:13 | |
Ongoing revenue to maintain our storm. And so that's going to be something that council's going to have to think about. | 03:13:19 | |
Um, that that. | 03:13:27 | |
That's kind of coming up that. | 03:13:29 | |
We're going to have to address that issue of. | 03:13:31 | |
Do we want to raise that stormwater fee to make sure we have enough ongoing revenue in that enterprise fund? | 03:13:34 | |
To properly maintain what we have. | 03:13:41 | |
So, but I think it'll be. | 03:13:45 | |
It's great if we want to review, but I think that'll be a budget discussion, right, that we're going to have to have this year and | 03:13:47 | |
do when do we want to remember, remember we said we were going to do this, not just the storm water, but also not waiting 20 | 03:13:52 | |
years, Yeah. | 03:13:56 | |
Yeah, yeah. And take it in smaller chunks. | 03:14:02 | |
Again, look at that calendar too. Yeah. Or gets away from us, Yeah. | 03:14:05 | |
It's the cost of doing business in in living and maintaining. | 03:14:10 | |
What we've got in holiday really, I mean. | 03:14:13 | |
We don't want to pass along what we inherited to a council. | 03:14:17 | |
10 years down the road. | 03:14:22 | |
Right. | 03:14:24 | |
OK. | 03:14:26 | |
Thank you. | 03:14:28 | |
Thanks Jared and thanks Joe. I guess Joe working on this. | 03:14:31 | |
This Joe's baby. | 03:14:34 | |
Kinda. | 03:14:36 | |
Not yet. | 03:14:39 | |
He has surprised him. | 03:14:41 | |
All right. | 03:14:45 | |
OK. I think everybody can see what's on the calendar. | 03:14:47 | |
Any. | 03:14:52 | |
Questions about the upcoming calendar or comments? | 03:14:53 | |
I Todd lapse, I'm assuming we don't have closed session. | 03:15:00 | |
All right. | 03:15:03 | |
Mr. Mayor. And will we adjourn second? All in favor? Aye, Aye, We are adjourned. Thank you. Thanks, Jared. Thanks, John. Thanks. | 03:15:05 |
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Hi, Steve. | 00:00:32 | |
How are you? | 00:00:33 | |
Alright. | 00:00:57 | |
No, that's not him. | 00:02:16 | |
Sir, yesterday I saw him. | 00:02:19 | |
Maybe it was Tuesday. | 00:02:21 | |
Just be out of town again. | 00:02:23 | |
Yeah. | 00:02:27 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 00:02:32 | |
Alright. | 00:03:33 | |
Ohh OK. | 00:05:25 | |
Am I on? There we go. OK. | 00:06:05 | |
Well, welcome everybody. We usually will not nervous because our council meetings are usually just like. | 00:06:08 | |
One or two people, So. | 00:06:15 | |
Before we kick this off, I just have to ask, is there anybody? | 00:06:17 | |
That is here tonight just strictly to make public comment to the Council. | 00:06:22 | |
One, OK, we're going to we'll we'll probably start with that first because the way the council's agenda is. | 00:06:27 | |
Uh. | 00:06:33 | |
Pub. The public hearing is scheduled for 7:00 PM, so we won't start that till then. So we're scheduled to move right into. | 00:06:35 | |
Helping hands to work, which is the first thing on our agenda. | 00:06:42 | |
But will we, we are going to call this meeting of the City of holiday to order tonight. | 00:06:45 | |
And as as is our tradition, we always start with the Pledge of Allegiance, and we are. | 00:06:52 | |
Really happy and pleased to have our former colleague. | 00:06:57 | |
And District 4 representative, right? | 00:07:01 | |
Steve Gunn So Steve as as graciously agreed to to come up and lead us in the pledge. So if everybody if as you're able, would you | 00:07:05 | |
please rise? | 00:07:09 | |
Delete. | 00:07:19 | |
United States of America. | 00:07:22 | |
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and. | 00:07:28 | |
Thanks, Steve. | 00:07:37 | |
I should also also recognize Deputy Mayor Kanters come for one of the awards where we're grateful you're here tonight. | 00:07:40 | |
So item number. | 00:07:48 | |
4 on the agenda is public comment and since we only have one person and I don't want to keep you if. | 00:07:51 | |
You're not going to stick around. I'm going to open up public comment, let you address the council and then we'll move right into | 00:07:57 | |
the Helping hands award. So if you want to come up. | 00:08:00 | |
Uh, again, just give us your name and address and. | 00:08:04 | |
Right there. | 00:08:11 | |
My name is Matthew Tracy. | 00:08:14 | |
Ohh cool. Thank you. | 00:08:17 | |
Hello everyone. My name is Matthew Tracy. I live at 3030 E Middleton Way. I'm a resident of District 4. | 00:08:19 | |
I'm running for City Council against this scheme and talented woman. | 00:08:27 | |
I basically have an issue I'd like to bring before the Council that I think may be of interest, and it involves. | 00:08:32 | |
And I'd like to basically just quickly give you some context for what's going on, why I'm here, kind of explain the issue because | 00:08:39 | |
I think there is a public safety issue at hand. | 00:08:44 | |
And I've done a little bit of background things that and done some legwork. | 00:08:49 | |
To provide a possible solution that the Council is, if you find the issue of interest. | 00:08:54 | |
You're welcome to take a look at. | 00:08:59 | |
I as I mentioned I live in holiday and kind of see Morningside from my house and. | 00:09:01 | |
Every Friday I take my kids, uh walk down to Olympia Skills Gas Station Street Day. You can go buy Skittles and whatnot. And you | 00:09:07 | |
know the honor Pretty good. And so when I chose to run for City Council. | 00:09:12 | |
Started knocking doors and you know, ask people you know things that matter to you that I can help you with. | 00:09:18 | |
And I happen to know the owner of the gas station and it turns out he had an issue. He brought me outside his gas station and. | 00:09:23 | |
Went into a sidewalk that runs right in front of his, his place of business. | 00:09:30 | |
That sidewalk runs directly into a concrete wall and dies. | 00:09:34 | |
And there is no sidewalk for the entirety of that distance from Olympus Hill gas station all the way up to the park. | 00:09:39 | |
Every other major thoroughfare in our district has sidewalks on both sides. | 00:09:47 | |
3900 Health does, 2300 has, 4500 hundred has as well, except for this one section. | 00:09:52 | |
It's an incredibly busy Rd. | 00:09:59 | |
There's also a bus stop at the top and there's a small concentration of businesses. | 00:10:01 | |
So I started talking to the other businesses and they all share the exact same concern, the skills. | 00:10:07 | |
Find Eating establishment feels the same way. Wants to participate. | 00:10:12 | |
The nail salon place wanted to as well and I also called called the owner. | 00:10:16 | |
Of the building, and he said he's very interested in one as well. | 00:10:21 | |
Umm. | 00:10:24 | |
When we kind of initially looked into it, I kind of inquired if there was anything could even be done and was initially told that | 00:10:26 | |
no, this is a U dot easement. | 00:10:29 | |
And as a consequence, it's not really possible to put a sidewalk here. | 00:10:33 | |
The little checking it kind of turns out not to be the case. | 00:10:38 | |
UDOT takes cities like holiday to put sidewalks and everything all the time. | 00:10:41 | |
That they even have funds. I did a little bit of research and it's kind of thing that they from time to time take a look at. | 00:10:46 | |
I think the other concern, and this is just me trying to do a little late work to, you know, perhaps come up with a possible | 00:10:53 | |
solution. | 00:10:56 | |
I think the other concern was was as. | 00:11:00 | |
The easements changed over time. | 00:11:03 | |
That there was just simply an odd congruence of things. And still, unless somebody deeds their private land, there's no way to do | 00:11:06 | |
it. | 00:11:10 | |
Also turns out not to be the case. | 00:11:14 | |
I went out and got and I have it here. I was told I need to report this information through the manager. | 00:11:16 | |
I have a OneDrive link with pictures of all the people and written statements. | 00:11:22 | |
Along with my communication with the UDOT officials. | 00:11:26 | |
I'd be happy to forward if the Council feels this is something of interest. | 00:11:30 | |
To take a look at. | 00:11:34 | |
Umm. | 00:11:36 | |
Basically, it turns out that this section of Rd. has not been touched since 1958. | 00:11:37 | |
I was able to get the plat here. | 00:11:42 | |
And there's an 80 foot UDOT easement. We absolutely have the space in the legal right. | 00:11:44 | |
Put a sidewalk in there. | 00:11:49 | |
Final question of course is and and you know there really is if you go drive and look at it is a dangerous little spot. | 00:11:51 | |
And you know, when you're at the, you know, these businesses, I walk there all the time and I don't go up and down because there's | 00:11:57 | |
no sidewalk. | 00:12:00 | |
Dangerous. | 00:12:03 | |
So I I think there's. | 00:12:04 | |
Clear need for this. | 00:12:07 | |
I imagine as a council he's very you have to prioritize things. Things cost money. | 00:12:10 | |
But I have also done some legwork and I think there's a real opportunity to use other people's funds potentially. | 00:12:15 | |
I think one of the final thing if council decides to consider this issue and could be aware of, but I do think there is a certain | 00:12:21 | |
element of here of. | 00:12:24 | |
This ain't my problem. | 00:12:28 | |
When I called you dot, there was an initial. Well, we can't do it. | 00:12:30 | |
Had to find people that were willing to go the extra mile. | 00:12:33 | |
I think if people on the council and you dot were actually to kind of make an effort, I think there is a solution to be had here | 00:12:37 | |
for very little money, so. | 00:12:41 | |
If you decide you're interested, I'd love to share the information with you. | 00:12:45 | |
Forwarded. | 00:12:49 | |
Be happy to thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. | 00:12:51 | |
OK. Thank you and and we will close public comment and we'll move to. | 00:13:00 | |
Item number three, which is our 2023 Helping Hands awards. | 00:13:06 | |
I'm going to read a statement in just a moment that that Holly Smith our our deputy, city manager, assistant city manager. | 00:13:10 | |
Wrote up for this event that kind of explains it, but. | 00:13:17 | |
Just to give you an overview, five, 6-7 years ago, however long it's been Ally. | 00:13:20 | |
We just. | 00:13:26 | |
Recognized as a council, we have so many people in our community that do so many things under the radar. They don't want any | 00:13:27 | |
recognition. | 00:13:31 | |
They just want to serve the community in whatever capacity is that they're passionate about and they choose to serve in. | 00:13:35 | |
And so we just thought one time a year. | 00:13:42 | |
We would. | 00:13:45 | |
Allow people in the community to nominate people they know that are doing this kind of work to receive what we ended up naming the | 00:13:47 | |
Helping Hands award, which is just how can how can we help our community, how how can we help the City of holiday and the citizens | 00:13:52 | |
holiday. | 00:13:57 | |
And so that that's how it all started. This is a little bit different tonight because typically we. | 00:14:02 | |
Have two or three. | 00:14:09 | |
Awardees, tonight we have 9. | 00:14:11 | |
477 PM Council member if if folks just want to visit a little bit. | 00:14:44 | |
So that's really the genesis of how this, this night started. | 00:14:51 | |
A number of years ago and so let me just start with with a description of what this is all about. | 00:14:54 | |
So thank you and welcome to to the Holiday City Council Meeting and the 2023 Helping Hands of Holiday Awards presentation. | 00:15:01 | |
The Helping Hands program aims to recognize individuals or groups. | 00:15:09 | |
Who are actively helping make holiday great through acts of volunteerism and service. | 00:15:14 | |
We are pleased to have so many special guests here tonight as we honor a few exceptional individuals for their efforts in making | 00:15:19 | |
holiday great community. | 00:15:22 | |
We will be presenting 9 Helping Hands Helping Hands of Holiday Awards tonight. | 00:15:26 | |
Since we have a large group of people that we are honoring, I'm going to highlight all of the award recipients in brief | 00:15:32 | |
presentation and I will call each person forward to accept their award. | 00:15:36 | |
At the conclusion, will provide an opportunity for award recipients to say a few words if they wish to. | 00:15:42 | |
Don't worry if you don't. If you haven't prepared anything, that's not mandatory, but if you do want to say a few words. | 00:15:48 | |
We we would welcome that as well. | 00:15:53 | |
So our nine nominees this evening? | 00:15:56 | |
We'll start with our 2023 Helping Hands holiday recipient of Natalie Bradley. | 00:16:00 | |
Natalie just called us and said something came up. She was. You won't be able to join us tonight, but. | 00:16:05 | |
Natalie was nominated by Cheryl Gilliland. | 00:16:11 | |
Executive Director of our Arts Council. She has been an enthusiastic. | 00:16:15 | |
Holiday Arts Council member since 2018. | 00:16:19 | |
And is finishing A2 year term as chair. Natalie created the children's theater program in 2019. So every year usually it's like in | 00:16:22 | |
May or June she puts on a little play and a lot of the kids join up and it's it's a great event. | 00:16:29 | |
Ginger gun, We already met. | 00:16:39 | |
We already met Steve earlier. | 00:16:41 | |
Is also nominated by Cheryl. | 00:16:44 | |
She has been a member of the Holiday Arts Council since 2017 and finished her second term as the vice chair. | 00:16:47 | |
She created the Holiday Reflections in dance concert. | 00:16:53 | |
So Ginger taught for many, many years at Evergreen Junior High, I believe, and probably before that, privately. | 00:16:58 | |
And. | 00:17:06 | |
Coordinates an event, a great event. Usually it's in April, first part of April, usually over at Olympus Junior High, where she | 00:17:07 | |
brings in a number of dance companies. | 00:17:11 | |
And it's just a fabulous event. So we're we're proud to be able to honor Ginger tonight as well. | 00:17:16 | |
And Cheryl Gilliland, who has been nominated by Paul Fotheringham. | 00:17:22 | |
Council member, District 3 representative who has served on our Arts Council for many years. | 00:17:26 | |
And we're we're very we're, we're. | 00:17:31 | |
We're sad Cheryl's going to be leaving us next month, but we're happy that we had her. | 00:17:34 | |
For the time that we did, and she's just done a phenomenal job of shepherding the Arts Council into what had just become an | 00:17:39 | |
incredibly important committee to to our city. | 00:17:44 | |
She has served as the Executive Director of the Holiday Arts Council since 2017. Her exceptional leadership and organizational | 00:17:50 | |
skills of elevated the arts in holiday. Under her care all forms of creative expression of blossomed in our community. | 00:17:57 | |
Cheryl is leaving holiday in October and her shoes will be hard to fill and she will be deeply missed. | 00:18:03 | |
Lyman Losie. | 00:18:11 | |
Was nominated by Sandy Meadows. I don't know if Sandy's here tonight. I don't. | 00:18:14 | |
See her? | 00:18:18 | |
Lyman serves on the Holiday Historical Commission and is and is it a local Sons of Utah Pioneers member. | 00:18:20 | |
He has contributed to the collection of digitization of local history. | 00:18:27 | |
And called the sale of book on a book on holidays history to raise funds. | 00:18:32 | |
For a forthcoming community exhibit experience. | 00:18:37 | |
So just briefly, there's a couple of really incredible things happening in the city as it relates to our historical Commission. | 00:18:41 | |
We're going to put a few. We're going to place a few monuments. | 00:18:49 | |
In the near future, in what's called the Cottonwoods area, we've got 3. | 00:18:52 | |
Locations that historical commissions working on for that effort. | 00:18:57 | |
But more importantly, we've started we received a $600,000 award through TRC with a quarter million dollar match that we're going | 00:19:02 | |
to be putting together on a volunteer basis and with the. | 00:19:08 | |
With coordination with the City Council. So that money is going to go towards creating an historical walk. | 00:19:15 | |
Behind City Hall, as well as some historical displays inside City Hall and various kiosks around the city that note significant | 00:19:22 | |
historical events that have occurred in the city. | 00:19:27 | |
This is this is, I think it's phase one and two, Holly. | 00:19:34 | |
Of three. | 00:19:38 | |
OK, so there's actually a third phase two, but we'll have to work on funding for that later. But this is this, this was a huge | 00:19:40 | |
lift for the Commission and the city. | 00:19:44 | |
And is is going to really bless this city for years to come once it's in, but that process is now starting. I think we put out an | 00:19:49 | |
RFP for. | 00:19:53 | |
Creation of of those particular displays in historical walk, so that's line and Rosie. | 00:19:57 | |
2023 Helping hands the holiday recipient Barbara Thornton, nominated by Andrea Wynn, who is the principal at Crestview Elementary, | 00:20:04 | |
I believe, is the PTA President for Olympus Junior High and has been very active on the Crestview Elementary PTA Board. | 00:20:11 | |
Her kindness, dedication and willingness to help inspire those around her. | 00:20:19 | |
Barbs. Incredible support. Boys up our teachers. | 00:20:23 | |
Our students. | 00:20:26 | |
And our community. | 00:20:28 | |
And I was just talking with Barbara earlier and I I had trying to remember what our connection was, but it was through a. | 00:20:29 | |
A Zoom call with Lauren Anderson, right? | 00:20:37 | |
Talking about. | 00:20:41 | |
How do we get a fully accessible playground at Crestview Elementary and I'm trying to remember how, how all that went. | 00:20:43 | |
But I think the message was it's really difficult to do and good luck. I hope you can raise the kind of money you're talking | 00:20:52 | |
about. And she just told me that they've got the first phase approved and they're going to put it in. | 00:20:56 | |
Which is this incredible accomplishment from a volunteer basis, but also. | 00:21:01 | |
For the Crestview community and kids that can now fully have access to that playground. | 00:21:06 | |
So kudos to you and your I know it was a big team, big team left, right? | 00:21:13 | |
Yeah. | 00:21:18 | |
And she's got quite the fan club. Raise your hands. | 00:21:19 | |
That's awesome. | 00:21:24 | |
So, Kate Kaufman. | 00:21:28 | |
Was nominated by Jen Wonderley and those that know Jen is headed up to friend to friend youth group. | 00:21:30 | |
Volunteer group for I think 25 years, somebody told me at our last fundraising event. I hope I got that right. | 00:21:36 | |
Umm. | 00:21:43 | |
So Kate served as a friend or friend student president. She created a new website for the organization. Led the. | 00:21:45 | |
100 Friend to Friend student volunteers on various projects. | 00:21:52 | |
And continues to broaden her ability for community impact as a freshman at Harvard University. | 00:21:56 | |
So a real underachiever there. | 00:22:02 | |
Umm. | 00:22:05 | |
And this will come later, but as Megan here. | 00:22:09 | |
Megan. Megan. So Megan's going to be receiving that award in a moment for Kate in her absence. So. And Megan, thanks for coming. | 00:22:13 | |
Lauren Anderson. | 00:22:23 | |
Nominated by Julia Whitehead. | 00:22:25 | |
Is currently serving as the PTA president of Crestview Elementary and will continue in the role in 2024. She has she has led many | 00:22:28 | |
initiatives like a fundraiser to provide gift cards to low income families and grants for teachers. | 00:22:34 | |
Supplies. | 00:22:41 | |
She was also instrumental. We were talking earlier about raising funds and doing all the late work, the administrative work to get | 00:22:44 | |
that playground in as well, and you wanted to make sure she was properly recognized for her efforts. | 00:22:50 | |
Nominated by the entire Holiday City Council. | 00:22:59 | |
Salt Lake County Flood control. We have 4 representatives here, 3 representatives, and then we have the Deputy mayor here as well. | 00:23:03 | |
And we're so pleased that you would take some time to show up for this. | 00:23:11 | |
Because a lot of times you don't get recognized right. You get recognized for the wrong reason. | 00:23:15 | |
But Salt Lake County flood control went above and beyond for those that remember the April, May time frame and kind of the panic | 00:23:21 | |
that was going around our communities when we had 75 feet of snow up at Alta that all needed to come down and head out to the | 00:23:26 | |
Great Salt Lake. | 00:23:31 | |
They went above and beyond art. | 00:23:37 | |
To ensure our community was educated, prepared and responsive to potential flood conditions, we are especially grateful for their | 00:23:40 | |
creative and efficient use of the Public Works team members. | 00:23:45 | |
In addressing issues on Big Cottonwood Creek. | 00:23:51 | |
And keeping grades in other areas free of debris. So they did a lot of, a lot of work before that snow was coming down to make | 00:23:54 | |
sure our channels were cleared and then had teams on hand. | 00:23:59 | |
To help us with tagging we had. | 00:24:04 | |
Front motor or something down, down, behind, off of of Highland Drive where the big grade is where we had problems before with | 00:24:11 | |
Creekside Park. | 00:24:15 | |
So we're just really grateful for the work you guys did. Thanks again for showing up well past year. More in just a moment. | 00:24:19 | |
Ohh, I'm sorry I missed one. | 00:24:28 | |
Wendy Frank, nominated by council member Matt Durham. | 00:24:31 | |
Who serves on our tree committee as a member of the Holiday Tree Committee? | 00:24:36 | |
She spearheaded the Earth Day and Arbor Arbor Day celebrations. | 00:24:39 | |
Partnering with local schools, engaging students in the events with creative writing contests. | 00:24:44 | |
And bringing new tree plantings to beautify the community. So that's when the fray. | 00:24:49 | |
So congratulations to all of the award recipients. | 00:24:56 | |
We're excited to honor these remarkable individuals in the 2023 Helping Hands of Holiday program. | 00:25:00 | |
As I call your name, please step forward. Accept your award Award recipients, please remain at the front of the room. | 00:25:06 | |
And we will have a group photo once the awards are called. | 00:25:12 | |
You're also welcome if the nominee The nominator is here if you want to step up for the photo. | 00:25:15 | |
We would welcome that as well and we will start with Ginger Gun. | 00:25:21 | |
OK. | 00:25:34 | |
Just right over here, Ginger, We're just going to line you up. | 00:25:53 | |
OK, Paul, if you want to come down, next is Cheryl Gilliland. | 00:26:02 | |
Thanks, Paul. | 00:26:26 | |
Lyman Losi. | 00:26:31 | |
Barbara Thornton. | 00:26:56 | |
OK. Salt Lake County Flood Control, OK, Are you going to come up or do you want the whole team? | 00:27:15 | |
Bring him up. | 00:27:21 | |
OK, Wendy, Frank is not with us, but I understand Carolyn Griffin. | 00:27:43 | |
Carolyn, OK. | 00:27:48 | |
OK, Megan Wilchinski is going to accept on behalf of Kate Kaufman. | 00:28:04 | |
I believe that's. | 00:28:27 | |
Holly, where are you? | 00:28:28 | |
I'll believe that then, huh? | 00:28:30 | |
Yeah, if you guys all want to pull in, we can get one group photo. That'd be awesome. | 00:28:33 | |
So we we are not starting council till 7:00 PM. | 00:29:10 | |
And if. | 00:29:15 | |
Certainly no pressure, but if any of their recipients would want to say a few words, you're certainly welcome. | 00:29:17 | |
We'll just take you one at a time. | 00:29:23 | |
You want to come on up, come on up. | 00:29:25 | |
Alright, I'm here on behalf of my. | 00:29:31 | |
Good friend Wendy Frank, who's at a wedding in Ireland so she has a good excuse not to be here, but just on a personal note, she's | 00:29:36 | |
so. | 00:29:40 | |
And dedicated and enthusiastic, conscientious. | 00:29:45 | |
And everything she does is sits always. | 00:29:50 | |
100% and above. | 00:29:52 | |
So I'd like to read a statement that she wrote. So I'm going to read some comments that she wrote that I would like to share with | 00:29:55 | |
you, and I'll do that on her behalf. | 00:29:59 | |
Rabindranath Tagore, an Indian poet and philosopher of the late 19th and early 20th century, once said. | 00:30:04 | |
I slept and dreamt that life was joy. | 00:30:13 | |
I awoke and saw that life was service. | 00:30:17 | |
And I acted, and behold, service with joy. | 00:30:20 | |
It is been a genuine joy and privilege to serve on the Holiday Tree Committee. I share this award with our Tree Committee Chair | 00:30:26 | |
and spark plug, Travis Jones. | 00:30:31 | |
Ohh always gives 110%. | 00:30:36 | |
And whose guidance and inexhaustible support have been instrumental and indispensable. | 00:30:39 | |
I would be remiss if I did not mention the steadfast encouragement and support. | 00:30:45 | |
Given me by Mayor Daley. | 00:30:50 | |
And Selena Controlli, Sesley Madison and Assistant City Manager Holly Smith. Not to not to forget, ardent and dedicated 3 | 00:30:52 | |
champions Caroline Giffin and Dennis Roach. | 00:30:58 | |
It is during the Arbor Day celebrations when I derive the greatest joy in knowing that our efforts in the Tree Committee will | 00:31:05 | |
potentially not only. | 00:31:09 | |
And prompt not only the whole community, but young people in particular. | 00:31:14 | |
To appreciate the power and the benefits of trees. | 00:31:19 | |
And the vital role that they can that they assume as caretakers and the preservation of our emblematic urban forest. | 00:31:23 | |
I remain humbled and grateful for this nomination from the City Council member. | 00:31:32 | |
Matt Durham, our appreciated liaison to the big holiday City Council who wholeheartedly joins not only our monthly meetings but is | 00:31:37 | |
down in the trenches with us. | 00:31:43 | |
And a big shout out to the entire Holiday City Council for your sponsorship in this award. | 00:31:49 | |
His nomination was a jaw dropper and absolutely knocked me off my socks. | 00:31:55 | |
So my heart felt gratitude to all. | 00:32:00 | |
Wendy Frank. | 00:32:03 | |
Hmm. | 00:32:05 | |
Ohh boy. Well, I don't want to take anything away from our illustrious City Council. | 00:32:20 | |
But we all know that the Arts Council is the heart and soul of our community. | 00:32:28 | |
And. | 00:32:35 | |
The Arts Council has become a great part of my heart and soul as well. | 00:32:36 | |
What a wonderful experience to. | 00:32:43 | |
Worked alongside. | 00:32:46 | |
People who are just genius of what they do. | 00:32:48 | |
And especially my dear friend Cheryl Gillan. | 00:32:51 | |
Ohh goodness gracious, she's going to be so hard to replace. | 00:32:55 | |
Well, she we won't replace her. She's just always going to be with us. | 00:32:59 | |
That Cheryl, is the heart and the soul. | 00:33:03 | |
Of anything that we do, that is. | 00:33:06 | |
Well done. | 00:33:08 | |
With our Arts Council. | 00:33:10 | |
And I am so grateful. | 00:33:12 | |
For having had this wonderful opportunity, grateful for the support that we've had from our City Council. | 00:33:14 | |
And just so happy that this has been a memory that I will never forget. Thank you. | 00:33:23 | |
Thank you for this lovely award. I just want to recognize the hundreds of volunteers I've worked with. | 00:33:40 | |
On PTA and the literal thousands of hours that they have donated in service of our community. It is a really special place to be, | 00:33:47 | |
I feel like. | 00:33:51 | |
Everyone in here has probably had an experience with volunteering with PGA and it's. | 00:33:56 | |
It's pretty fun. | 00:34:00 | |
PTA is the largest and oldest. | 00:34:02 | |
Child advocacy group and the Nation and they get a lot of cool things done because of PTA. We have school lunch. | 00:34:04 | |
We have a lot of great programs that wouldn't have existed except for moms and dads and community members that have. | 00:34:12 | |
Decided to advocate and donate their time for our kids. | 00:34:17 | |
I believe. | 00:34:21 | |
It's really in my heart there is not a there's no such thing as other people's children. | 00:34:22 | |
All children belong to all of us and it is our responsibility. | 00:34:27 | |
To help them and teach them and support them. | 00:34:31 | |
And I think the people that deserve the most credit for that in our community. | 00:34:33 | |
Right now, our teachers and educators, we are so lucky to have such great schools. | 00:34:37 | |
And I fully support public education and that is why I have donated so much time. | 00:34:42 | |
To doing this work because I am so believe in public education and the kids. | 00:34:48 | |
And I want to thank my family. | 00:34:54 | |
Who are here and who have sacrificed a lot of time with me so I can do this work that I feel called to do. I'm really grateful. | 00:34:56 | |
To them, and to all of you, and to live in such a beautiful. | 00:35:04 | |
Place that club community minded. Thank you. | 00:35:07 | |
Thank you very much for this honor. It has been my privilege to. | 00:35:25 | |
Laid the Arts Council whole last six years. | 00:35:31 | |
And I know I have this reputation of people seeing how they didn't. I knock on their door and I say I have this idea. | 00:35:34 | |
And like they sort of run away. | 00:35:43 | |
Or roll their eyes. Yeah, lots of eye rolling. | 00:35:47 | |
But I have found Holiday to be exceptionally receptive to art. | 00:35:51 | |
I'm passionate about art. | 00:35:57 | |
I believe in its power to heal. I believe that it's power to join communities together, and I believe that it's power of sharing | 00:36:00 | |
stories. | 00:36:05 | |
Of the people I have met here and the stories I've heard. | 00:36:11 | |
Are very powerful and movie and I will not forget all the people I've worked with and I also want to give a shout out to the Arts | 00:36:17 | |
Council because. | 00:36:21 | |
Of a very odd job in the city, which is I work part time. | 00:36:26 | |
That we put on Betty Betty events, which we cannot do without volunteers. | 00:36:31 | |
So I cannot either do my job. | 00:36:37 | |
Without the help of the community and the Blue Book Festival we had, in addition to fire and police and other paid people, we had | 00:36:40 | |
70 volunteers. | 00:36:46 | |
It's a big festival, requires a lot of work. | 00:36:52 | |
And I the. | 00:36:57 | |
The people I worked with at the city of that fact was, I think, good friends. | 00:36:59 | |
We've done some crazy projects together and I am going to do it shout out. | 00:37:04 | |
For our public art sculpture, which is being installed over at the Plaza next Tuesday at 10 AM. | 00:37:09 | |
It is very large so you won't be able to miss it, but we will be celebrating it. | 00:37:19 | |
October 7th at our Plaza Fest, what we have the flat Air painters will be out there painting, we'll have live music, and we'll | 00:37:25 | |
have a ribbon cutting for the sculpture. | 00:37:30 | |
So thank you very much. I'm very honored to have this award. | 00:37:36 | |
When I was asked to. | 00:38:04 | |
To take part in in the Historical Commission, I had no idea what I was getting into. | 00:38:06 | |
But I'm glad I I did. | 00:38:13 | |
I come from a much different background. I've been in aerospace industry and. | 00:38:16 | |
And related with rockets and explosives and other things like that throughout the world. | 00:38:21 | |
And. | 00:38:27 | |
I'm a little bit interested in history and art. | 00:38:29 | |
And and so. | 00:38:32 | |
I've been so impressed with the the people in the. | 00:38:35 | |
That I've I've. | 00:38:39 | |
Been able to work with in the Historical Commission and also with the. | 00:38:40 | |
Art. | 00:38:45 | |
We've helped them and. | 00:38:47 | |
Back and forth and. | 00:38:50 | |
And I I'd like to thank my wife for putting it up with. | 00:38:52 | |
With me, what I'm doing with all of these women all the time. | 00:38:56 | |
And now you can see why they're there. There's such good people and what they do. I've been so impressed with this city. | 00:39:00 | |
We've lived where I'm not from this area, particularly the city. | 00:39:08 | |
And. | 00:39:13 | |
We've lived here about 50 years and in. | 00:39:14 | |
Wonderful place to live and. | 00:39:17 | |
You compare. | 00:39:20 | |
Our leaders here. | 00:39:21 | |
With. | 00:39:23 | |
People throughout the world. | 00:39:24 | |
In leadership positions and they don't come any better than what we're. | 00:39:26 | |
Have to help lead us. | 00:39:31 | |
Really. You're all outstanding. | 00:39:33 | |
And. | 00:39:36 | |
It's such an honor to be associated with you. | 00:39:38 | |
Hello, since I'm here on behalf of Salt Lake County and representing an entire division, I just wanted to say to introduce myself | 00:39:58 | |
Kate Moniker, Division Director of Salt Lake County Flood Control. | 00:40:03 | |
With me I have Bob Thompson. He is our watershed section manager and we were kind of the public face. | 00:40:08 | |
Of Salt Lake County Flood Control. | 00:40:14 | |
To the cities and so on. But I just want to say thank you to the mayor and thank you to the city of Holiday. | 00:40:16 | |
For every you know everything that you do in cooperation with us through these types of events. | 00:40:20 | |
And you hit on the mail. You know, flood control is a kind of a forgotten thing in the background. What a lot of what we do | 00:40:26 | |
happens at night and happens. | 00:40:29 | |
Out of sight, so it's really great to be. | 00:40:34 | |
Recognized for some of the work that we do and thank you to Gina and all you do. So just want to say it's it's great to be | 00:40:37 | |
recognized. | 00:40:41 | |
And umm, thank you. | 00:40:44 | |
OK. | 00:41:02 | |
Everybody has an opportunity. | 00:41:05 | |
Before I forget. | 00:41:08 | |
You gotta be beautiful boxes that those awards going so well. | 00:41:09 | |
Bring those out. Make sure you get one of those to put these these in when you head out. | 00:41:14 | |
So congratulations to Natalie, Ginger, Cheryl, Wyman, Barbara, Wendy, Kate, Lauren, and. | 00:41:23 | |
Salt Lake County Flood Control. | 00:41:30 | |
Individuals like you make this world a better place than we are so fortunate to have. | 00:41:32 | |
You be part of our community. Thank you again to our award recipients and their families and friends for being here with us | 00:41:36 | |
tonight. | 00:41:39 | |
Especially Barbara Thornton and her family while also showing. | 00:41:44 | |
You inspire us all. | 00:41:49 | |
So. | 00:41:51 | |
We again, we don't start council till 7:00, so we'll take a break here and. | 00:41:53 | |
The council will come down and feel free to visit for the next 15 or 20 minutes. | 00:41:57 | |
But I don't want to diminish the awards. | 00:42:02 | |
For the 99 recipients tonight. But the reason this award really came about is. | 00:42:05 | |
A recognition from our council and our staff. | 00:42:10 | |
That there and and I don't think you'll disagree with me. I think you'll agree with me that. | 00:42:14 | |
It's because we have, we bump into and we have literally. | 00:42:18 | |
Hundreds of people out in our community. | 00:42:22 | |
Every day doing all this incredible work. | 00:42:25 | |
That's just completely under the radar. | 00:42:28 | |
People don't notice it. They don't want recognition. They don't seek recognition. They just have this desire. | 00:42:31 | |
To. | 00:42:38 | |
You know, maybe it's spaced out of gratitude. I know it is for me. I feel so fortunate. | 00:42:40 | |
To be live in this country, to live in this community, to have parents, I've had all these things that that I really had nothing | 00:42:45 | |
to do with, you know, it's just just luck on my behalf. | 00:42:50 | |
But a lot of the people I run into in public service, all my colleagues here. | 00:42:55 | |
Catherine, you just run into these incredible people that don't have to do this work, but I think they do it out of a sense of. | 00:43:01 | |
Gratitude and a desire to want to do something, to want to give back in some way, which is why all of you are here. | 00:43:09 | |
So you make our community better. | 00:43:17 | |
We appreciate all you do. Again, thanks for coming and keep up the good work. Thank you. | 00:43:20 | |
Yeah. | 00:48:03 | |
Industry. | 00:52:50 | |
Have. | 00:56:29 | |
Open. | 00:57:10 | |
Thank you. | 00:58:20 | |
Yeah. | 01:01:33 | |
So I walk in. | 01:02:11 | |
OK. | 01:02:13 | |
OK, Sorry, the time got away from me at 7:00. | 01:02:21 | |
Sorry, John. | 01:02:41 | |
Make you do the audio visual. We make you move the furniture around. It's just messing up my punctuation. | 01:02:44 | |
Give them a raise or something. | 01:02:51 | |
That's true. | 01:02:57 | |
OK, let me get my bearings here after all that. | 01:03:01 | |
So I believe we're on item number 5, item 5 now. | 01:03:07 | |
So item number 5 is a public hearing on on the proposed rezone for property located at 4930 S. | 01:03:11 | |
Westmore Rd. From P to R110 Residential single family. | 01:03:20 | |
Umm. | 01:03:26 | |
So. | 01:03:30 | |
I think I want to have some discussion on this before we open up the public hearing. We'll start with John. John if you want to. | 01:03:31 | |
Kind of go through the staff, report with us and then talk a little bit if you don't mind. | 01:03:38 | |
I understand this went through Planning Commission Tuesday and it was voted Tuesday at Planning Commission. | 01:03:42 | |
Thank you, Mayor. Yes, Planning Commission did hear this just the other day. | 01:04:01 | |
For their public hearing on this rezone. | 01:04:06 | |
And the reason that we were hearing, the Council is hearing it so quickly. | 01:04:09 | |
Is a couple of issues we had with our own noticing processes that delayed the application. | 01:04:14 | |
By our own mistakes, so. | 01:04:20 | |
What should have been heard? | 01:04:22 | |
Couple of weeks ago, you know more than three or four weeks ago was just here yesterday by the Planning Commission. | 01:04:25 | |
And was voted to recommend a rezone from the P zone to R110, which is also the surrounding zone for that neighborhood. | 01:04:31 | |
Planning Commission did hear a couple of comments. | 01:04:42 | |
From the community and had a discussion on. | 01:04:44 | |
Various uses that would be appropriate there. | 01:04:47 | |
And unanimously made the conclusion that matching the zone that was in that neighborhood made the best sense. | 01:04:50 | |
For this for this property. | 01:04:58 | |
Applicant is here tonight I believe, and you can make a representation of what how his neighborhood meeting went. | 01:05:00 | |
Of course, bring it. Answer any other questions you might have. | 01:05:07 | |
Why don't we? Why don't we hear from the applicant? And then John, we may have some more questions after that. | 01:05:11 | |
Mr. Wheatley, I believe. | 01:05:18 | |
Good evening, council members. My name is Benjamin Wheat. We're the party that currently has the. | 01:05:30 | |
Church under contract? | 01:05:37 | |
We've been working with the city and for a rezone of this application and then. | 01:05:40 | |
If this application is successful on the R110 rezone, we would be. | 01:05:46 | |
Coming back into the city for a subdivision application, so. | 01:05:53 | |
Umm. | 01:05:57 | |
Like Rob said, we are just we're asking for a zone from the P use to an R110. The R 110 is what is surrounded. | 01:05:59 | |
By all of the neighboring houses around and in that area. It follows the general use map for holiday city. | 01:06:08 | |
Um, so if I if anyone has any questions, I'm happy to answer. | 01:06:16 | |
Any questions from council? | 01:06:21 | |
OK. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. | 01:06:26 | |
Yeah, I mean, in reading the staff report, I haven't pulled it up here, but it. | 01:06:30 | |
Well, I think the important things for me was what is surrounding it, which is our 110, right? | 01:06:36 | |
And the general plan comments basically say this application is consistent with the. | 01:06:41 | |
Is it the LDR, John? | 01:06:46 | |
And. | 01:06:50 | |
They're allowed. They would be allowed 10 units under under that. | 01:06:51 | |
Uh. | 01:06:56 | |
Rezone. | 01:06:57 | |
12 units under that rezone, but they're probably gonna apply for 9 or 10 or whatever it is. But they could get it would allow for | 01:06:58 | |
12 units on the two points. | 01:07:03 | |
83 acres or whatever the parcel size was. | 01:07:08 | |
Correct. If you were to calculate it at gross and then sort of assume what that road is going to look like as it goes through | 01:07:11 | |
there or they have to take out whatever the right of way needs to be? | 01:07:15 | |
Yeah, somewhere around, you know, 11 units might be the one that they land on. | 01:07:20 | |
OK. | 01:07:25 | |
And so John, I'm assuming the lot sizes will be comparable to what we're seeing on the surrounding. | 01:07:27 | |
Area yes. | 01:07:32 | |
It was the planning. I didn't. I did not. I was not able to look at my e-mail as the Planning Commission. What was the vote on | 01:07:37 | |
that? It was 60. | 01:07:41 | |
Unanimous, yeah. | 01:07:45 | |
Any other questions from? | 01:07:48 | |
Council. | 01:07:50 | |
OK. | 01:07:54 | |
With that, I'm going to open the public hearing, So public hearing is now open if you wish to address the Council on this rezone | 01:07:55 | |
application. | 01:07:58 | |
Please come up to the podium and just give us your name and address. | 01:08:02 | |
And try to keep it to 3 minutes or less if possible. Thank you. | 01:08:07 | |
Good evening. | 01:08:15 | |
This is new to me. I feel very passionate and. | 01:08:17 | |
I found it in my mailbox. Your name and address please. So sorry, Linda Waters and I'm at 4850 S Kings Row and Woodbridge | 01:08:21 | |
Condominiums. | 01:08:27 | |
I happened to get a postcard because I lived within 500 feet of the property that mentioned. | 01:08:33 | |
And I thought, what about the rest of the neighbors and? | 01:08:40 | |
I didn't get any invitation to a neighborhood gathering to discuss it. | 01:08:45 | |
I came across this and I thought well. | 01:08:50 | |
This is a neighborhood where I walk every day practically with my husband and. | 01:08:52 | |
And meet the meet and greet people all the time. | 01:08:57 | |
And. | 01:09:00 | |
I feel. | 01:09:01 | |
And. | 01:09:03 | |
Grateful that it's not a multi. | 01:09:04 | |
A family proposal? | 01:09:07 | |
And. | 01:09:09 | |
We live in a fairly high density area. | 01:09:10 | |
Just very close to to the property itself. | 01:09:15 | |
There's some. | 01:09:19 | |
Quite a few, I think there's nine different condos and. | 01:09:21 | |
Apartment units. | 01:09:24 | |
That really need. | 01:09:26 | |
Space to walk safely and. | 01:09:28 | |
And so I wrote, I don't know, last two days ago. Three days ago, I sent a letter in that was not included in the Planning | 01:09:32 | |
Commission. | 01:09:36 | |
Minutes, You know, Was it red? | 01:09:41 | |
I watched the live stream, was rather disappointed that my comments weren't heard. | 01:09:43 | |
Umm. | 01:09:48 | |
So I did submit them and I don't know if everyone on the council had a chance to read them over. | 01:09:50 | |
OK. | 01:09:56 | |
Yeah, that's helpful to know. So as you could see if you did read over that, it was, it was lengthy and passionate, but I think | 01:09:57 | |
the points were not. | 01:10:02 | |
Umm. | 01:10:07 | |
Were intended to reflect. | 01:10:08 | |
Maybe a long term approach to looking at open space? | 01:10:12 | |
And community potential for. | 01:10:16 | |
People to gather. I would hope that we would keep it as a public. | 01:10:20 | |
Property and not have it turned over to a residential. | 01:10:25 | |
There's a lot of history in the area. There's a church itself was built. | 01:10:30 | |
Understand in the 60s and by the residents who lived in the neighborhood. | 01:10:35 | |
Umm. | 01:10:40 | |
And think that there's. | 01:10:42 | |
Lots of streets in the area that aren't necessarily safe for families to be walking without. Sidewalks in the streets and. | 01:10:44 | |
While we have large county park. | 01:10:53 | |
It's not really safe there either when it comes to being hit in the head with a Frisbee as a Frisbee golf course, that's. | 01:10:55 | |
In the open space. | 01:11:03 | |
It's lovely and beautiful and. | 01:11:05 | |
Quite frankly, we moved to the area because we were very attracted to what Holiday City has done for the community. | 01:11:08 | |
In keeping it. | 01:11:14 | |
At the time of here, very low density. | 01:11:16 | |
And umm. | 01:11:19 | |
Gonna be a great grandma. | 01:11:20 | |
My husband and I were just diagnosed recently with cancer. | 01:11:22 | |
My daughter died a couple years ago. You start to look at long term and. | 01:11:26 | |
What you want to leave for your family? A legacy? | 01:11:30 | |
And I'm not. I'm not convinced that having more. | 01:11:33 | |
More homeless? | 01:11:39 | |
And more density is really what's needed. | 01:11:40 | |
If you look at the plot map and the and the vicinity you'll see, you'll see. | 01:11:43 | |
That. | 01:11:48 | |
Within about 1000 feet. Well, we're 500 feet and we live in a condominium complex, so it's it's lovely to be able to have a place | 01:11:49 | |
that we can. | 01:11:53 | |
Hopefully have either a park or have a community facility. Keep it in the public's hands instead of. | 01:11:58 | |
And stuff neighbors. | 01:12:06 | |
And. | 01:12:08 | |
It's time for a change and have more neighborhoods. | 01:12:09 | |
Thank you. Thank you. | 01:12:12 | |
Yeah, just come on up if if you're here for public comment on this. | 01:12:17 | |
Applications. | 01:12:21 | |
Thank you for the opportunity. I'm David Moore. I'm at 4875 S, 1710 E. | 01:12:25 | |
And and I have some sympathy for the previous person who I happen to be married to. | 01:12:33 | |
Good thought that that said yeah, it was, wasn't it? | 01:12:41 | |
But that said, UM. | 01:12:45 | |
When you decide a problem, answer a problem. You always have to. | 01:12:48 | |
Evaluate What are your underlying intentions? | 01:12:54 | |
Now, if the intention is simply to produce more places for people to live. | 01:12:58 | |
It sounds to me like you've. | 01:13:04 | |
Done reasonably well. | 01:13:06 | |
If the intention is to provide. | 01:13:09 | |
Property for. | 01:13:12 | |
The joy of the people who already lived there. | 01:13:14 | |
Having. | 01:13:18 | |
You know, nine more families, probably. | 01:13:20 | |
Doesn't do much. | 01:13:23 | |
First time I visited Boulder, Co, I was totally blown away by the amount of open space there. | 01:13:25 | |
I asked why that was so. | 01:13:32 | |
He said in the beginnings there was a troublemaker who loved open space. | 01:13:34 | |
And he got on the City Council. | 01:13:40 | |
And he. | 01:13:44 | |
He. | 01:13:46 | |
Force them to buy open space and to leave it open. | 01:13:48 | |
And I think in the long run, it created great value for the neighborhood. | 01:13:53 | |
We moved here because of trees. | 01:13:58 | |
And a Creek. | 01:14:02 | |
In spite of the fact that we're densely put in, you know, the Salt Lake City area. | 01:14:04 | |
But you can't drive down Highland Drive today and not realize that a huge number of people. | 01:14:12 | |
Are being jammed in and that it's profitable. | 01:14:19 | |
And if the only concern is to create profitable? | 01:14:23 | |
Profit and more dense people and more taxes. | 01:14:27 | |
Well, it's a. | 01:14:32 | |
Reasonable. It's a reasonable compromise. | 01:14:34 | |
I just would appeal to you. | 01:14:38 | |
If not in this one, it sounds like it's far along. | 01:14:41 | |
Way that that one considers the value of open space. | 01:14:44 | |
Well done. | 01:14:49 | |
And to to create an intention. | 01:14:51 | |
To when opportunities like this arrive. | 01:14:55 | |
Arise to. | 01:14:59 | |
To consider open space. | 01:15:00 | |
As a value to the. | 01:15:03 | |
To the. | 01:15:05 | |
To the community as a whole. | 01:15:06 | |
As opposed to purely being interested in. | 01:15:09 | |
In accumulating war taxes. | 01:15:13 | |
And more density. | 01:15:16 | |
I guess that's the end of the speech. | 01:15:18 | |
Does it boulder sometime? If you have, you'll be impressed as well. | 01:15:23 | |
That somebody thought of doing something other than creating the greatest number of people in the smallest amount of space. | 01:15:28 | |
Which doesn't seem to me to be a good idea. | 01:15:37 | |
Anyway, that's thank you. | 01:15:40 | |
You. | 01:15:42 | |
My name is Jeff Mccomas. | 01:15:55 | |
I live at 1748 Fieldcrest Lane. | 01:15:57 | |
And. | 01:16:03 | |
Which is just around the corner from this. | 01:16:04 | |
We have Creekside Park, we have the Lions Club property. | 01:16:07 | |
And secret park or great places. | 01:16:11 | |
Close by to walk. | 01:16:14 | |
And enjoy open space. | 01:16:16 | |
I think. | 01:16:18 | |
That the purpose of developing this in 10,000 square foot lots, which is commensurate with the entire area. | 01:16:20 | |
Is going to be a plus. | 01:16:28 | |
It'll bring in. | 01:16:30 | |
New families. | 01:16:32 | |
Who? | 01:16:34 | |
Have a central area to to build a home. | 01:16:35 | |
There's. | 01:16:39 | |
A lot of going on in our neighborhood of either people buying houses, tearing those houses down and building more expensive homes. | 01:16:40 | |
It'll be an upgrade to the property. | 01:16:46 | |
And as a neighbor, I fully support it. | 01:16:52 | |
Thank you. | 01:16:56 | |
OK, I I don't see anybody else. | 01:17:06 | |
Here. | 01:17:10 | |
To comment on this, let let me just say that. | 01:17:11 | |
On the agenda we have a discussion of previous public hearings, so the Council will be discussing this openly. | 01:17:15 | |
I think in the not. | 01:17:22 | |
To distant future since we have a pretty short agenda. If you'd like to stay around for that, I will be happy to move that item | 01:17:24 | |
to. | 01:17:28 | |
The top of the list when we recess to a work work session. | 01:17:32 | |
And you can hear the council discussion on that if you'd like. | 01:17:35 | |
And with that, if there's no nobody else to address the council, I'm going to close the public hearing. | 01:17:39 | |
I would say that I I unless. | 01:17:45 | |
Something occurs in the in the work session discussion that I'm not aware of. I would assume this will be posted for vote. | 01:17:49 | |
On the October 5th City Council agenda. | 01:17:55 | |
OK. With that, the public hearing is closed. | 01:17:59 | |
And we are going to move on to item number six. | 01:18:03 | |
Um. | 01:18:07 | |
So my understanding on this one is that this was just the issue we dealt with at the last Council meeting and and. | 01:18:10 | |
We. We. | 01:18:16 | |
We need to add it to a couple other spots in city code, correct? | 01:18:17 | |
Right. Yeah. This is something that is a needful amendment that had some other sections of code. | 01:18:22 | |
That. | 01:18:28 | |
Essentially that aren't this chapter 13 which is the Our Your Land Use and development chapters. | 01:18:29 | |
Umm. | 01:18:36 | |
Those are the sections that were considered previous. | 01:18:37 | |
These this title 15 and 17 have to still have to do with bonding. | 01:18:40 | |
But there are other sections of the code. | 01:18:44 | |
That need to be amended. | 01:18:46 | |
So it's just informing other sections of the code to what we discussed last time, yeah? | 01:18:50 | |
There are other references to private bond processes that have really have not much to do with. | 01:18:54 | |
The development of land, but rather. | 01:19:00 | |
Stormwater retention processes. | 01:19:02 | |
Uh, what else? Just the the essential. | 01:19:06 | |
Collection of. | 01:19:10 | |
Development bonds. | 01:19:11 | |
OK. Any other questions from council? | 01:19:17 | |
Happy to take a motion if not. | 01:19:20 | |
Mr. Mayor of Approval of Ordinance 2023-11, Amending Title. | 01:19:22 | |
The type of listed in the agenda relating to removal of bonds for private approval is not essential for public safety. | 01:19:27 | |
I second. | 01:19:33 | |
OK, we have a motion in a second. | 01:19:35 | |
Council member Durham, Yes Council Member Fotheringham. Yes Council member Quinn. | 01:19:38 | |
Council Member Gibbon and chair vote just that ordinance is approved. Thank you, Council. | 01:19:43 | |
This is the item number seven is the advice and consent of. | 01:19:48 | |
The addition of four new members to our Arts Council, as discussed in the previous. | 01:19:53 | |
Work session if there are no CMF the pull that up. | 01:19:57 | |
Thought there were 544. | 01:20:05 | |
That's right. Yeah. | 01:20:10 | |
OK. | 01:20:12 | |
So you guys can see them posted up there. I'm gonna have to turn on my monitor, but any questions or comments prior to taking a | 01:20:14 | |
motion on the resolution? Just if I could, I just want to just so grateful to these people standing up for at this point I'm | 01:20:19 | |
confident they'll give great service. | 01:20:24 | |
Delighted to meet some of them for the first time, but they seem very excited to serve. | 01:20:31 | |
And getting my experience in the Arts Council and. | 01:20:35 | |
Delighted to have this view. | 01:20:38 | |
Fresh blood, as it were, on that Earth Council, and they're going to continue having a great time. | 01:20:41 | |
On there, it's council. | 01:20:46 | |
There's nothing else to make it. I'll go ahead and make a motion, Mr. Mayor, with approval of resolution 2023-26. | 01:20:50 | |
Granting advice and can't consent of the City Council for the appointment of these four members listed to the Holiday Arts | 01:20:58 | |
Council. | 01:21:01 | |
I second the motion. Have a motion, a second from Councilmember Quinn. Councilmember Durham, yes, Council Member Fotheringham yes. | 01:21:05 | |
Councilmember Quinn, Councilmember Gibbons, yes and chair votes yes. And we welcome those new members to our Arts Council. | 01:21:13 | |
Thank you, Council. | 01:21:21 | |
Item number 8 is consideration of resolution 2023. That's 27. This is basically counseling. | 01:21:22 | |
The elections in district. | 01:21:29 | |
Five and I believe District 2. | 01:21:31 | |
We only have one UH with the with the recent withdrawal of. | 01:21:35 | |
One of the candidates in District 5 that leaves one in that district. | 01:21:40 | |
Emily Gray, who's in the in the back with us tonight. Thanks for coming. | 01:21:45 | |
Umm. | 01:21:49 | |
And I think it was recently the legislation just this year was passed that basically gave councils the authority. | 01:21:50 | |
To. | 01:21:56 | |
Cancel elections. If there was only one candidate. There's a, you know, for people out there, there's a there's a real significant | 01:21:59 | |
cost to that and we had a lot of residents complain that. | 01:22:03 | |
We're spending all this money to send out a ballot with one person on it. | 01:22:07 | |
So anyway, this resolution is to count is to essentially cancel the the need to send a ballot out in in Districts 2 and five. | 01:22:11 | |
Mr. Mayor, I'll move adoption of resolution 2023-27, canceling the 2023. | 01:22:19 | |
You just pull elections for City Council members and districts to apply. Second, we have a motion and a second council member | 01:22:26 | |
Durham, yes. Council Member Fotheringham, yes. Council Member Quinn, Yes. Council Member Gibbons, yes, and chair Boat Chest | 01:22:31 | |
Resolution 2023 Dash 27 is approved. | 01:22:37 | |
Thank you, Council. | 01:22:43 | |
Mayor, should there be balloons come down from the city? | 01:22:44 | |
I'm pretty sure the legislature didn't say anything about that. OK. Seems kind of anticlimactic in a sense, but. | 01:22:49 | |
It is what it is. | 01:22:57 | |
All right, consent agenda. | 01:22:59 | |
So these are the minutes from August 17th. | 01:23:03 | |
Mr. Mayor I. | 01:23:08 | |
I. | 01:23:10 | |
Mouse, I move that we approve the minutes of August 17th, 2023. | 01:23:11 | |
2nd. | 01:23:17 | |
Motion and a second all in favor. Say aye, aye. Any opposed. | 01:23:18 | |
Minutes are approved. Thank you Council, and we are on the city manager report. Nothing for me this evening. | 01:23:24 | |
OK. Thank you, Council Member Durham. | 01:23:31 | |
I just wanted to mention two things about the. | 01:23:33 | |
Happy healthy holiday coalition. | 01:23:36 | |
We met this week and there were two really great developments. One, we heard some. | 01:23:38 | |
Really interesting data from the Granite School District about some of the. | 01:23:45 | |
Held public health markers in our public schools here in holiday. | 01:23:50 | |
And this data that we're going to be digging into a little bit more and using to develop some initiatives for happy healthy | 01:23:53 | |
holiday coalition. | 01:23:57 | |
And the other great development is we have an intern. | 01:24:02 | |
Was a very impressive woman getting her PhD in public health, and she's going to be helping us develop a strategic plan for the | 01:24:05 | |
coalition. | 01:24:09 | |
And so I can't remember her name. Hollywood. | 01:24:14 | |
Megan Bartley. That's right. So we're looking forward to working with Megan and having a. | 01:24:16 | |
A strategic plan for some of our public health initiatives here in the city. That's all. Thank you. | 01:24:22 | |
Yeah, it's been mentioned earlier going to have to have the the awards, but just reiterate that we've got the big. | 01:24:29 | |
Public art installation happening on Tuesday at 10:00. | 01:24:38 | |
On the Plaza and then following that on October 7th at the Saturday is when we have the official ribbon cutting ceremony | 01:24:42 | |
celebration of the installation of the new great piece of public art that I'm really excited to. | 01:24:49 | |
Share with the City of Holiday, along with the Arts Council. Lots of things going on in the Arts Council. We don't need to | 01:24:56 | |
reiterate those. We've been talking about it all day today, but. | 01:25:00 | |
Those are two big things. Did the actual installation installation on Tuesday 10 in the morning. | 01:25:05 | |
And then the party about it. | 01:25:10 | |
On Saturday, October 7th, folks will be there. | 01:25:12 | |
Thank you, Paul. | 01:25:16 | |
With. | 01:25:18 | |
Um, Community Renewable Energy Agency. We thought we would have the utility agreement to bring to you. That's laughing at me. | 01:25:19 | |
With our with you. Yes, we're still waiting for. | 01:25:28 | |
For Rocky Mountain power to. | 01:25:32 | |
Give it back to us and hopefully they won't have made too many big changes. | 01:25:36 | |
So we're still waiting. Hopefully, maybe in October. We'll keep our fingers crossed. | 01:25:40 | |
The other thing I was at great Harvest the other day and saw the little sign in their window. | 01:25:46 | |
Trying to get money for lighting the skate park. | 01:25:55 | |
And there's a little QR code that you could. | 01:25:58 | |
You know. | 01:26:01 | |
Take a picture of it with your camera and then it takes your right to Venmo and. | 01:26:02 | |
It actually works, so hopefully we will get the money that we need to. | 01:26:06 | |
Select the skate park before too long. So that was kind of fun to be part of that process and that's all. | 01:26:12 | |
Just just one item had conversations with. | 01:26:19 | |
Gina and and Todd. Earlier we received correspondence from residents up in Canyon Cove about. | 01:26:24 | |
Whole fleet of dump trucks which are traversing. | 01:26:33 | |
Gun Club Road. And that, of course, is a concern for the residents up there. | 01:26:36 | |
I I raised the. | 01:26:44 | |
Question of whether. | 01:26:46 | |
Obviously there are other things we can do traffic mitigation, speed bumps, whatever. But I I I raised the question, really a | 01:26:48 | |
legal question, as to whether the city could do something similar to what we did. | 01:26:54 | |
2324 years ago with the Cottonwood Mall property where we. | 01:27:01 | |
We vacated a strip of land on the West side of the residential St. Memory lane, for example. | 01:27:06 | |
And then and then conveyed it away, which would prevent any any legal access to this the public St. | 01:27:12 | |
From the mall property, at least on the east residential side. | 01:27:22 | |
Um, and I would be. I would be in favor of authorizing Todd to do some research to. | 01:27:25 | |
See if that could be an option. | 01:27:32 | |
Especially since there would be, you know, there be sort of developments unknown going in there over the next decade or so and | 01:27:35 | |
that way we would be. | 01:27:39 | |
In control of what at what access we could or could not allow, and obviously there could be some historical access easements that | 01:27:43 | |
are not recorded. | 01:27:48 | |
For historic uses, but I just think it would be It would be well if if Todd could. | 01:27:53 | |
Just take a look at that and. | 01:27:58 | |
Advise us if there's anything legally we could do other than other than our our interaction with the gravel pit owners with | 01:28:00 | |
Cottonwood Heights City. | 01:28:05 | |
Or traffic mitigation, I just think it would be. | 01:28:10 | |
It would be nice to know if there's something legally we could do to kind of just. | 01:28:12 | |
Put the finger in the **** right now, legally. So anyway, that's all I've got, and particularly since that's. | 01:28:16 | |
The border of the city. That's the border of the city now. | 01:28:22 | |
Exactly, and anyway, I just think it would be worth looking at looking at in any event. | 01:28:25 | |
OK. | 01:28:33 | |
Can you do that cut? | 01:28:34 | |
OK support alright. | 01:28:37 | |
Um. | 01:28:40 | |
Gosh, I don't have a whole lot that everybody else hasn't covered it other than I I should probably mention that Gina and Holly | 01:28:41 | |
Kane. | 01:28:45 | |
And addressed the TRC board presented to the TRC board. | 01:28:49 | |
On our application for skate park lighting and also. | 01:28:54 | |
To put. | 01:28:58 | |
New. | 01:29:00 | |
Pillars up. | 01:29:01 | |
Replace our fiberglass pillars, which if you've been out there, you can see. | 01:29:03 | |
They've been broken with with the stone that's basically on the benches as well. | 01:29:06 | |
And. | 01:29:11 | |
So that's moving through the process, but I thought I I thought it went very well and I'm optimistic that that hopefully we'll | 01:29:13 | |
keep our fingers crossed and get receive that award and then with the private donations that we've already received, it's a pretty | 01:29:18 | |
significant, I think we're up around. | 01:29:24 | |
29,000 or so. | 01:29:29 | |
28. | 01:29:32 | |
We'll be able to. | 01:29:34 | |
Gets that done after the first of the year, we'll we'll see how it goes. | 01:29:35 | |
Umm. | 01:29:40 | |
Gosh, I think that's all I have. And if that's the case, I'd be happy to take a motion to recess to work meeting. Mr. Mayor, I | 01:29:42 | |
move we recess City Council and we convene the work meeting second. OK, we have a motion to second. All in favor, say aye. | 01:29:49 | |
OK, we are in a work session. We are going, we're going to move across the hall. | 01:29:57 | |
How, how would you? | 01:30:03 | |
Is there a preference? Would it be easier to stay here, John? It would be Let's do it OK without objection. | 01:30:05 | |
From the Council. | 01:30:12 | |
I would like to move that discussion on the previous public hearing to the top of the list out of courtesy to those that are here | 01:30:15 | |
to listen to that discussion, if that's OK. | 01:30:19 | |
No objection. All right. So I'll be happy to open it up or if somebody wants to start on it, I'll go ahead and start. | 01:30:24 | |
District yeah I'm I'm generally supportive I'm I'm I'm. | 01:30:32 | |
I'm sympathetic to the concerns that were discussed in the public hearing. Part I I do want to make one clarification of those | 01:30:39 | |
clarifications. | 01:30:42 | |
That that despite the fact that it's P zone now, it doesn't mean that it's publicly owned, it is private property. | 01:30:46 | |
Owned by the church, not by the city. | 01:30:53 | |
And so for the city to. | 01:30:56 | |
Acquired as green space. | 01:30:59 | |
Real estate and holidays, you probably know. It's pretty expensive. | 01:31:02 | |
And so it'd be 1,000,000 bucks an acre just to acquire and then you had improvements. | 01:31:06 | |
And I think the primary reason I'm hesitant to to to. | 01:31:10 | |
Pony up A purchase of this property is that we've we're right at the front end of also. | 01:31:16 | |
Needing resources to improve. | 01:31:23 | |
Another. | 01:31:26 | |
Huge. | 01:31:27 | |
Piece of green space in the form of Spring Lane Elementary. | 01:31:28 | |
Unfortunately, we don't have to purchase that space, although we're not going to be owning it. | 01:31:33 | |
We do have an opportunity for a very long term lease and to use our resources to improve that property so that it doesn't fall | 01:31:38 | |
into goose habitat now that the school is closed. | 01:31:44 | |
And is not going to be maintained by its owner. That will fall upon us. | 01:31:50 | |
And so we'll be, we'll be acquiring the opportunity to develop. | 01:31:56 | |
Or improve? | 01:32:01 | |
Uh. | 01:32:02 | |
Is that about 12 acres? Yeah, What was that acreage? MSPs, 12 acres of green space. | 01:32:03 | |
Where Spring Rain Elementary currently is, and that's really where I'd like to preserve our resources for green space management | 01:32:09 | |
as opposed to acquiring expensive property for small pocket parks. I'm also grateful that the applicant. | 01:32:16 | |
It is that the application is only for R110 where sometimes we've seen. | 01:32:24 | |
These types of developments or applications come in where they really want to go much higher density and particularly given that | 01:32:30 | |
not too far away is RM. The fact that this is just being applied for 110 I think is one of those. | 01:32:38 | |
Moments that. | 01:32:46 | |
I'll I'll be supporting this application. | 01:32:49 | |
I'll make comment to Mayor I. | 01:32:53 | |
So, so the P designations are great placeholders for us and and it's similar to what the. | 01:32:56 | |
The resident said about Boulder City. Is that early on we we put all of these P. | 01:33:02 | |
Zones in place, but as Paul said, we don't own the land. | 01:33:08 | |
And and so the decision to whether to put a park in, for example, is is, is. | 01:33:12 | |
Financial. | 01:33:18 | |
Neighborhood and and proximity to other resources. Creekside Park courses just. | 01:33:20 | |
Were almost a Major League Baseball throw, or at least a hit. | 01:33:25 | |
Just up to the north and I just think with with that huge part, just so close. | 01:33:30 | |
And really, this is sort of a. | 01:33:36 | |
It's not a really accessible sort of area. I mean, it would definitely benefit the immediate neighbors, but if we were we were to | 01:33:39 | |
purchase this land, we'd be in a 2 to $3,000,000 just for the land, another million or two for. | 01:33:45 | |
Improvements I just I. | 01:33:52 | |
As a steward of public funds, it's just hard to imagine. | 01:33:53 | |
Allocating. | 01:33:57 | |
Three 3 + 1,000,003 to $4 million to put in a park that. | 01:33:59 | |
Is is almost redundant, Creekside, so close, And anyway so I'm and I I'm also thrilled that it's an R110 application rather than | 01:34:04 | |
a. | 01:34:08 | |
High density applications. So I think I'm generally in favor of the application. | 01:34:13 | |
Yeah, it's. It's. | 01:34:17 | |
It's hard to argue the app the merits of the application based on. | 01:34:20 | |
What surrounds it and its position in the General Plan? The General Plan language surrounding what the city says they desire in | 01:34:27 | |
that location, but. | 01:34:31 | |
I I think you guys have stated it very well. We were aware that this property came on the market. | 01:34:37 | |
And we had a discussion about it. | 01:34:44 | |
And as council member Get Given said that this discussion really surrounded. | 01:34:46 | |
The fact that Creekside Park is there but Big Cottonwood Regional Park is a is, I think. | 01:34:52 | |
Maybe 200. I want to say 280 acres. | 01:34:58 | |
And fish. | 01:35:01 | |
And on a very on a very high priority. | 01:35:03 | |
For funding from Salt Lake County that owns that property. | 01:35:08 | |
So I expect that the city is going to be very involved in what amenities go into the improvement of Big Cottonwood Regional Park. | 01:35:11 | |
Which is in very close proximity to this particular parcel, but I think. | 01:35:19 | |
And I, and I say this because I want to be sensitive to your comments about the importance of preserving open space, because I | 01:35:24 | |
think our Council. | 01:35:28 | |
Shares that desire too. But we also have limited funds we have to work with and when the Spring Lane issue came onto the radar and | 01:35:32 | |
we started talking with Granite School District, our number one priority was. | 01:35:38 | |
Making sure we could work with Granite School District to preserve that 12 1/2 acres. | 01:35:44 | |
Which also will involve a significant. | 01:35:49 | |
Investment. | 01:35:53 | |
To first of all improve that will involve the community if if we can get this lease done look and I keep looking at Todd like. | 01:35:54 | |
Ready for spotting but if we can get this, please put together this agreement put together with credit school district and we're | 01:36:03 | |
confident we can. | 01:36:07 | |
We all anticipate this significant investment to improve that into the and amenitized it to the desires of the residents of | 01:36:11 | |
holiday, but also. | 01:36:16 | |
Have to be sensitive to the fact that there's going to be an ongoing investment to maintain that site long term and that's really. | 01:36:22 | |
What happened was we ended up pushing our priority to that, but part of it ended up being too It's the fact that you got to. | 01:36:29 | |
Purchased property. You got to purchase it as well before you amenitized it in this particular case. So really became about. | 01:36:37 | |
How much resource we have available to us to preserve open space and. | 01:36:45 | |
And the proximity of Spring Lane. | 01:36:49 | |
You know, the amount of residents that's going to serve as opposed to maybe a smaller pocket park really ended up. | 01:36:53 | |
Kind of. | 01:36:58 | |
Prioritizing spring lane over that one. So that's part of it, but so there's that piece, but there's also the. | 01:36:59 | |
Specific application which I'm going to have a hard time not supporting. | 01:37:06 | |
So, yeah, I I will be in favor of this as well I think. | 01:37:10 | |
Yeah, I think it would be a totally different question if it was public property there or public property we had access to. I | 01:37:13 | |
think it's hard. | 01:37:17 | |
To make a decision about somebody else's property and. | 01:37:22 | |
So I'm. | 01:37:27 | |
Recognizing the importance of the open space and the opportunities we have at spring land, I'm I'm inclined to support it as well. | 01:37:28 | |
Yeah, I agree with everything that's been said. I want to add as well. | 01:37:36 | |
I live close to the Olympus Hills Park. | 01:37:40 | |
And, as the mayor has said, many of the parks. | 01:37:43 | |
You know, even within the holiday boundaries are on, not by the city, but by Salt Lake County. | 01:37:47 | |
And people will come to me and say, well, can't they do this and this and this in Olympic Hills Park? And I say, well, no, because | 01:37:54 | |
we don't own it. | 01:37:58 | |
But. | 01:38:02 | |
We have a huge opportunity. | 01:38:04 | |
With the spring lane property. | 01:38:06 | |
Because this is a property, we will own the land, but we don't have to pay for it either. | 01:38:09 | |
But the advantage is we will have control over exactly what happens. | 01:38:13 | |
And spring way. And I've already got a list of people saying, well, you gotta put this and this and this in it. This is something | 01:38:19 | |
that the city will be able to plan. | 01:38:24 | |
The residents will be able to have a direct impact and then the residents are the ones that will be using. | 01:38:29 | |
That spring rain park whatever we end up calling it, but. | 01:38:36 | |
I agree that we really need to focus. | 01:38:41 | |
Not only our efforts, but our money, because this will be our park like Canuteson. | 01:38:44 | |
We planned it. | 01:38:50 | |
Our residents love it and again we will be able to plan it and have. | 01:38:52 | |
Complete control over it. | 01:38:56 | |
As opposed to the parks inner boundaries that. | 01:38:58 | |
That the county aren't in control. | 01:39:02 | |
OK. | 01:39:06 | |
And any other comments or input? | 01:39:08 | |
John, anything you want to add? I really can't add anything to that, no. I mean one of the main guiding principles that we have | 01:39:10 | |
when we look at RAZONES is what your general plan wants to see for and what it foresees in the future. | 01:39:17 | |
And there there are. | 01:39:23 | |
More dense. | 01:39:26 | |
There's two more dense zones that could be have been considered in R18. | 01:39:27 | |
Specifically which are 8000 square foot foot lots rather than 10,000. | 01:39:32 | |
The applicants elected to rezone to 10, which is. | 01:39:37 | |
Much more congruent, which is what the neighborhood is. | 01:39:41 | |
OK. | 01:39:46 | |
Well, thank you everybody. I appreciate it. Thanks to staff for the report. | 01:39:48 | |
And we'll move on to the next item. Thank you for showing up and part of your comment. We appreciate it. | 01:39:53 | |
And and and I'll just state again when we fully anticipate this will be on for a vote October 5th. | 01:39:58 | |
Thank you. | 01:40:04 | |
OK. | 01:40:06 | |
So now we'll go to Village Center Decorations Tina. | 01:40:08 | |
Yes, thank you. So in your. | 01:40:12 | |
Thank you very much for telling me the rational face. | 01:40:16 | |
And I thought it was very comfortable for you. | 01:40:21 | |
Thank you. | 01:40:24 | |
Appreciate it. | 01:40:25 | |
So in your packet there is a couple of slides addressing. | 01:40:29 | |
What we can do for our traditional tree lighting celebration, which is the Monday after Thanksgiving. | 01:40:37 | |
The as has been mentioned already, the installation of the public art is going to, it's going to be a fantastic addition to the | 01:40:47 | |
Plaza that is going to force some changes in our tree lighting ceremony. | 01:40:55 | |
So as the staff we've identified a couple of options. One of those options is to. | 01:41:04 | |
Have the tree lighting and basically the same type of event that we have always had but with a commercial artificial tree in the | 01:41:12 | |
lawn area on the Plaza. | 01:41:19 | |
And you can see an illustration of that at the bottom of that slide. | 01:41:27 | |
And those run anywhere from 1000 to $2000. One thing to note is that we think we can fund all of these expenses within the current | 01:41:32 | |
budget allocation and so these numbers are really provided for information. | 01:41:41 | |
Not necessarily. | 01:41:50 | |
You don't necessarily need to weigh the cost because those are either option is funded in your current budget. | 01:41:53 | |
The second option is to do a tree lighting in the village on the Plaza, but then to have a vent. | 01:42:03 | |
Behind City Hall in the gazebo. | 01:42:13 | |
Area. | 01:42:18 | |
And so we would have, we could have a mini parade where. | 01:42:19 | |
Santa would arrive in the Plaza and then would kind of follow him over to the gazebo area and then have some photo opportunities | 01:42:24 | |
and then hot chocolate and cookies. | 01:42:31 | |
Behind City Hall. | 01:42:39 | |
Um, there's some options for a Triarch? | 01:42:40 | |
And that sort of thing and we're hoping that in either option we can really engage our our business community. | 01:42:45 | |
To both participate and then potentially to offset costs. | 01:42:53 | |
So I am looking for feedback from the council about your thoughts on these options. | 01:42:58 | |
If you hate commercial artificial trees, please let me know. | 01:43:05 | |
Ohh. | 01:43:10 | |
And if you have a location preference. | 01:43:12 | |
Can we keep the tree from 30 years or some place to store it? There would be yes that that would be our intention is to store it | 01:43:15 | |
and use it. | 01:43:18 | |
I don't like my gut is to keep it. | 01:43:24 | |
Where it is as opposed to trying to bifurcate. | 01:43:28 | |
And unless there are two different events from talking about the same day. | 01:43:31 | |
I don't. I don't see citizens necessarily wanting to start at the village and then. | 01:43:35 | |
Perfect. Over to the gazebo. | 01:43:41 | |
In the same event, particularly in the winter, particularly if it's snowing or if it's cold or even as late as wind. | 01:43:44 | |
Um. | 01:43:51 | |
I kind of like the the the concept of having that event. | 01:43:53 | |
At the village. | 01:43:57 | |
And leaving it there, I've got no problem with that. | 01:43:59 | |
Whenever tree arrangements you want to make given the new. | 01:44:01 | |
Public art situation and just the. | 01:44:05 | |
Reusability of tree I mean. | 01:44:09 | |
I think there's certain folks that say quick cutting down the trees, including the tree committee. | 01:44:13 | |
Really not cutting down live trees anymore. Purposes. | 01:44:18 | |
I can't speak to the tree committee. I'm not going to do it. | 01:44:22 | |
OK. | 01:44:25 | |
I kind of feel the same way about keeping it in the village. | 01:44:30 | |
The one, my one reaction to the proposal. | 01:44:33 | |
Is there's a lot going on? | 01:44:36 | |
And with with the heart being the new art piece being there and the tree, I'm not sure how much more we need. But that's just my | 01:44:38 | |
personal I think that's good feedback and we could we could simplify and then maybe add on potentially in future years. | 01:44:47 | |
It's So where do you know where it is? | 01:44:57 | |
It. | 01:45:01 | |
Would it be possible to If it's going to be an artificial tree, It doesn't. | 01:45:02 | |
It's going to have to be anchored somehow. Would it be possible to move it more like in the center of the Plaza where say those | 01:45:07 | |
holiday letters are showing? So we've talked about that briefly and the difficulty is that would have to. | 01:45:14 | |
Because of the size of the tree would have to anchor it through the the stone of the papers, and the direction from the council | 01:45:22 | |
previously has been not to drill into those pavers. | 01:45:29 | |
Which I think is good right now. | 01:45:38 | |
So we didn't budget. | 01:45:43 | |
We didn't budget any money to light like light the streets or you did. You included $50,000 in the budget in hopes of securing | 01:45:46 | |
some funding to light the trees. And I think we're we're still in the process of determining whether we can do that or not. So | 01:45:53 | |
that would be. | 01:45:59 | |
Separate issues. That's right. They're two separate issues. Yeah, I wish we could. | 01:46:07 | |
Well, I I agree with him. I'm not opposed to an artificial tree. I I don't. It's not going to be like 5 feet tall, is it? Or. | 01:46:11 | |
It'll be back, OK. I'm not opposed to that either. It's because that's always we've always got reached out to have people donate | 01:46:19 | |
that. | 01:46:23 | |
And that's always been a challenge itself, right? | 01:46:27 | |
But I I do think I am kind of curious about. | 01:46:32 | |
How? | 01:46:35 | |
Do we need to think about how that's going to look with our big new art piece and then right next to it at Christmas Tree? Is it | 01:46:37 | |
going to? | 01:46:40 | |
I mean we could do a mock up. | 01:46:46 | |
I see what you're saying and I don't know. | 01:46:52 | |
We could do a mockup once we have the public art in place and see what we think of it at that point, and then decide where we want | 01:46:58 | |
to locate the tree. | 01:47:03 | |
But I do think anchoring it on the papers could be a challenge. | 01:47:09 | |
You see what I I think I'm thinking the same way you are mapping. It's gonna look almost like an afterthought with this big. | 01:47:14 | |
Art piece and then a Christmas tree right next to it. Because. | 01:47:21 | |
We want our Christmas tree lighting, but but I also I 100% agree with Paul that. | 01:47:25 | |
I don't know, but I'm not interested in moving up here. | 01:47:31 | |
I want to activate the Plaza, so whatever we do, I want it to be. | 01:47:34 | |
Where the businesses are. | 01:47:38 | |
Yeah. | 01:47:40 | |
So. | 01:47:42 | |
Yeah, let's let's eyeball it once the art pieces up and then try to get a sense of. | 01:47:43 | |
If it's creating a tremendous imbalance or if it would be a cool light sourced cast, cool shadows through the art piece. | 01:47:49 | |
You never know. | 01:47:57 | |
OK. I think that's great direction. We'll have be able to take those pictures on Tuesday afternoon and then can that can do a | 01:48:01 | |
little photoshopping like we have here. | 01:48:07 | |
And see what we think. | 01:48:13 | |
OK. Thank you. | 01:48:17 | |
Did you get what you needed, Gina? You good? OK, alright. So what I hear from the council is we want to stay the event, to stay on | 01:48:20 | |
the Plaza and we are OK with the commercial tree in terms of placement. We're going to look at it once we have the public art in | 01:48:27 | |
place and kind of decide on. | 01:48:34 | |
On placement. | 01:48:41 | |
If we think it's going to look odd on the lawn area. | 01:48:43 | |
I'll let you know at the next council meeting and we'll talk about how we feel about the papers and whether there might be other | 01:48:48 | |
solutions. Yeah, I mean, once we get it up, it might be worth just walking over there with whoever is appropriate and kind of | 01:48:53 | |
looking at it and saying, OK. | 01:48:58 | |
But yeah, generally I think. | 01:49:04 | |
All the. | 01:49:06 | |
You know. | 01:49:07 | |
Was there something in here on music too? I know they were talking about. | 01:49:09 | |
The idea of maybe having some music on the Plaza during the winter months that you could just pipe in, I don't know if that's part | 01:49:13 | |
of it. | 01:49:17 | |
I don't think that is part of this budget. It's something we could explore, but I don't think we we have to this point. | 01:49:21 | |
OK. | 01:49:30 | |
Alives and Rudolph the Red Nose reindeer. | 01:49:33 | |
Is that what you thinking? | 01:49:36 | |
You're probably only two people know, girl. | 01:49:39 | |
All right. | 01:49:45 | |
Umm. | 01:49:47 | |
Where were we? | 01:49:48 | |
Uh HP Sign on HTC Sign amendments? | 01:49:50 | |
I said some. | 01:49:58 | |
Some of us struggling a little bit with this in terms of. | 01:50:02 | |
I mean, I've talked a little bit. | 01:50:08 | |
On the side with with and I don't think generally. Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think. | 01:50:11 | |
Generally, we kind of agree that it's silly that a gas station in the village village shouldn't be able to. | 01:50:15 | |
Illuminate prices on the side, we get that. | 01:50:22 | |
And. | 01:50:26 | |
There's been language created inside the village zone. | 01:50:27 | |
To kind of. | 01:50:31 | |
Really restricted to that. | 01:50:34 | |
But there's a couple of us that have some. | 01:50:36 | |
Reservations about what this is going to open up and what happens when. | 01:50:40 | |
Olympus Junior High School or what happens when a business comes in and says well? | 01:50:45 | |
Wait a second. I'm paying for taxes? | 01:50:50 | |
Into the city's coffers helps support the city. | 01:50:54 | |
And. | 01:50:57 | |
This this person can do it, but I can't do it. | 01:50:59 | |
Umm. | 01:51:02 | |
And it's just getting a comfort level that it's narrow enough that we'll be able to defend. That I guess is my. | 01:51:04 | |
Kind of concern. | 01:51:10 | |
Mayor and I don't have an answer to that, but I just am kind of like, you know, a couple of questions to John might help me sort | 01:51:12 | |
through this. I'm one who's very resistant about it. | 01:51:17 | |
But I guess, I guess I have two questions, maybe Jonathan answered. And first of all. | 01:51:23 | |
As I as am I reading this correctly that it's only in the Holiday Village center? | 01:51:28 | |
The holiday Holiday madness? Well, it's the. | 01:51:35 | |
Is this apply to all zones or just to holiday village center? This is carved out just for the village center, village center and | 01:51:39 | |
then. | 01:51:43 | |
And then I guess the other question would be, are these type of signs allowed outside that zone? | 01:51:47 | |
They are because they're an internal type illumination. Yes, they are. | 01:51:53 | |
You know, and I do. You know, in fairness, I do note that you know this. | 01:51:58 | |
I don't think until tonight I really even thought of where this. | 01:52:04 | |
This location is and it's actually in a very South end of of the village zone, right? I mean, it's like. | 01:52:08 | |
It's across from Kentucky Ave. In fact, it's South of Kentucky Ave. I think maybe. Anyway, straight across from the food, from the | 01:52:14 | |
food trucks. | 01:52:18 | |
I don't know. I I'm kind of on the fence on that. I'm sort of leaning against it, but. | 01:52:23 | |
And my my Lincoln Stars. I mean on space. It seems easy peasy. A no brainer, but. | 01:52:28 | |
It's the camel nose problem. | 01:52:34 | |
And. | 01:52:38 | |
And whether or not we really can. | 01:52:39 | |
Restrict this to what our intention is would be just in the village. | 01:52:43 | |
And just this type of signage. | 01:52:48 | |
But we've. | 01:52:51 | |
Whenever we wrestle with the legislature, we lose. | 01:52:53 | |
And and the last time you correctly, God I'm wrong the last time. | 01:52:57 | |
We we had. | 01:53:02 | |
Had to consider. | 01:53:03 | |
Electronic signage was the legislation that said if you have any electronic signage in your city. | 01:53:05 | |
Then you've got to allow the big billboard companies to convert their. | 01:53:12 | |
Big. | 01:53:16 | |
Old school billboards to electronic style. | 01:53:17 | |
And that's if you allow them at all. And right now we don't. | 01:53:21 | |
And so, as narrowly as this was written. | 01:53:24 | |
Does this. | 01:53:28 | |
Put a crack in our defenses. | 01:53:29 | |
Against what we really want to restrict. | 01:53:31 | |
Because I, you know, in the face I really have no objection this particular application. | 01:53:34 | |
Or to even the schools having the ability to use their sign. But the reason we don't let the schools. | 01:53:39 | |
Use theirs in the way they were designed, in the way they want to. | 01:53:46 | |
Is because of the other larger problem. | 01:53:49 | |
In how it it opens the door to. | 01:53:52 | |
You know the the larger problem that we've been trying to keep out, is that a fair analysis done? | 01:53:55 | |
Yeah, it is. I want. I want to make sure we make a couple of distinctions clear. | 01:54:01 | |
So your ability legally. | 01:54:06 | |
To approve this particular amendment. | 01:54:09 | |
And then legally to say no? | 01:54:13 | |
To a similar request outside the village, I think as a matter of your legislative discretion, I think it would be reviewed giving | 01:54:16 | |
the most deference to the city you will get on any decision you make. I believe it could be supported legally. | 01:54:22 | |
The issues I have I think. | 01:54:29 | |
That you need to think about are the practical ones one. | 01:54:31 | |
It will be politically much more difficult. | 01:54:35 | |
To say no to a similar request that comes outside the village if you do this. | 01:54:38 | |
The justification that you can make legally don't necessarily hold up practically. | 01:54:43 | |
And that's just a simple fact that I think you deserve to have some counsel about. It will be more difficult to say no one another | 01:54:47 | |
zone in the future. | 01:54:51 | |
Not legally, but practically. Second, I I'm uncomfortable kind of trying to lay odds on whether or not that legislative proposal | 01:54:55 | |
will come back again. | 01:55:01 | |
But if it comes back in a similar form. | 01:55:06 | |
Even as tightly drawn as this language is. | 01:55:10 | |
It would allow the conversion of the billboards. | 01:55:14 | |
If if the if the language were identical to the 2021 bill. | 01:55:17 | |
It would allow the conversion of billboards in the city to digital. | 01:55:23 | |
So those are practical considerations to think about. I don't, I don't know that that proposal is going to come back at the state | 01:55:27 | |
level. | 01:55:30 | |
I just don't know. | 01:55:35 | |
There's a part of me that's a little skeptical that it will. | 01:55:37 | |
Umm. | 01:55:40 | |
But if it did. | 01:55:41 | |
And Reagan outdoors isn't going anywhere. | 01:55:43 | |
Ohh no. | 01:55:46 | |
They're not. | 01:55:47 | |
No, I I think. | 01:55:48 | |
I'm not as worried about that as I am your second concern, which is. | 01:55:51 | |
What? What happens if Olympus Junior High comes in and says, well, we've got a freestanding sign, it's in a black box. | 01:55:56 | |
How about if we agree that we're just going to put a message up there? It's not scrolling? | 01:56:03 | |
And we don't need to have it scroll, but we would like to. | 01:56:09 | |
Have the opportunity to flash a message up on there and just have it stay. The schools closed on Friday and it just stays there | 01:56:12 | |
and then we can change it when we want. | 01:56:16 | |
Not dissimilar to a gas station changing a price. | 01:56:21 | |
And then how do we say? | 01:56:24 | |
Or Cottonwood Elementary coming doing the same thing saying. | 01:56:27 | |
Well, we'll just do a We'll just do a fox like 711 has. | 01:56:30 | |
And what this degree is not going to be a scrolling sign. | 01:56:33 | |
It's just going to be a way for us instead of. | 01:56:36 | |
Putting a letter up, we can just get in our computer and say here's our message for the day and it doesn't scroll and it doesn't | 01:56:40 | |
flash and. | 01:56:43 | |
Well, or a sandwich shop. Or in the village, even. Maybe saying, hey, we want to put the our our specials of the day or something | 01:56:47 | |
up, yeah. | 01:56:51 | |
I mean it's just, I mean we all know what the product is on the sign, right. It's just. | 01:56:56 | |
It's connecting the price and the product, another gas station and so why wouldn't another store be able to do that, right, Right, | 01:57:01 | |
so. | 01:57:04 | |
I'm not worried as much about it opening a can of worms with the state legislature, because if they want to open a can, they can | 01:57:09 | |
open a can. I'm more. | 01:57:12 | |
Worried about how we're like you, said Todd. | 01:57:17 | |
Not practically. How do we defend? | 01:57:20 | |
A fairness issue? Really. Yeah. Are we over exaggerating this do you think Or? | 01:57:24 | |
And the overthinking it if is it so narrow and silly, it's like it's 1 gas station. It's just, I mean. | 01:57:30 | |
Or. | 01:57:37 | |
Well, so. | 01:57:38 | |
You're entitled to receive some advice from me outside. | 01:57:42 | |
The public meeting setting if you wish to. | 01:57:46 | |
And some of this might be appropriate for that. | 01:57:49 | |
What I will tell you generally is, I think, some of your concerns about what might happen in the village. | 01:57:52 | |
With a different kind of business. | 01:57:59 | |
Outside of the strict confines of this particular amendment, are legally valid in my opinion. | 01:58:01 | |
You know, sign regulations or about are sort of. | 01:58:07 | |
Evaluated. | 01:58:11 | |
On the basis of are they content neutral? | 01:58:13 | |
And the way they're presented. | 01:58:17 | |
And I'll just tell you, not speaking holiday, but speaking every sign ordinance in the state I have ever read, there's not a | 01:58:19 | |
single one that passes muster under the federal law right now. | 01:58:24 | |
Under, you know, the signed case that was decided most recently by the United States Supreme Court out of Gilbert, AZ, every sign | 01:58:30 | |
ordinance in this state right now is invalid. | 01:58:35 | |
And so those restrictions are hard to meet legally. | 01:58:41 | |
Every sign you regulate based on kind of the content of the sign. | 01:58:46 | |
Takes you a step closer to opening up. | 01:58:54 | |
The entire ambit of science, so. | 01:58:58 | |
Right. | 01:59:01 | |
Your concerns are valid. | 01:59:02 | |
In that respect. | 01:59:04 | |
Or in other words, in other words, the nature of this ordinance is we're saying hey, if it's if the content is gas prices. | 01:59:06 | |
It's OK and and. | 01:59:13 | |
Yeah, that's maybe the concern here too. Are we treating? | 01:59:15 | |
The gas station inside the village differently from the gas stations outside of the village. You weren't right now, but there's | 01:59:19 | |
some pre-existing entitlements that. | 01:59:23 | |
You know, with some signs that happened before you incorporated or before you adopted the current ordinance you have. | 01:59:28 | |
Where they have signs similar to this, but they aren't permitted under your ordinance, they're they're legally nonconforming under | 01:59:33 | |
a prior regulation, so. | 01:59:38 | |
Do they have different sets of rights based on the location and the timing of the business? You know, the age and all those | 01:59:44 | |
things? Yes. | 01:59:47 | |
Would it be fair to say your ordinance currently is treating them differently and fairly? I don't think so. I think that | 01:59:52 | |
characterization wouldn't be accurate. | 01:59:56 | |
But they they do have a different set of. | 02:00:01 | |
Entitlements based on previously existing standards or law. | 02:00:05 | |
Thank you. | 02:00:10 | |
Can you remind me the current sign? | 02:00:13 | |
Is it internally illuminated? | 02:00:17 | |
I think originally it was. I'm not sure if they. | 02:00:20 | |
Kept it up to turn those lights on on the inside. | 02:00:23 | |
But I guarantee it was designed to be that way. | 02:00:27 | |
I mean, like, my my fear is that and maybe we're just. | 02:00:32 | |
Going in circles here but. | 02:00:36 | |
My real fear is that if we do this for 7/11. | 02:00:39 | |
And other businesses start to come to us and say, well, gosh, we'll we'll. | 02:00:43 | |
We'll agree to do a sign like 7-11. We get why, why you guys are doing this. All we want to do is what they're doing. | 02:00:48 | |
My sense is the council is going to have a real problem with that and come back and say, you know what, we're gonna. | 02:00:55 | |
Change it back again. I don't think you're going to want. | 02:01:00 | |
Signs like that at Harmons and signs like that. | 02:01:03 | |
And and again, maybe I'm overthinking that, that's not going to happen, but it worries me a little bit that. | 02:01:07 | |
Somebody's gonna come in and say, well, we'll just agree to do a sign like they're doing. It won't be gas prices, it'll just be a | 02:01:13 | |
sandwich price for the. | 02:01:16 | |
And how do you say no? Yeah. | 02:01:21 | |
So anyway. | 02:01:25 | |
Alright. | 02:01:31 | |
Well, look, I I I asked Stephanie to. | 02:01:32 | |
Move this off the agenda because I sense there was some. | 02:01:36 | |
Some of us were wrestling with this. | 02:01:42 | |
I think ties generally in favor with it. He's not worried about it, but I didn't want to vote it without a full council here | 02:01:44 | |
because I didn't sense that there was going to be. | 02:01:48 | |
Unanimity in the vote and I thought it deserved a full vote so. | 02:01:53 | |
Anyway. | 02:01:57 | |
I'm still leaning against. | 02:01:59 | |
After this discussion SO. | 02:02:01 | |
OK. | 02:02:05 | |
Anything else? | 02:02:06 | |
Staff available if you need them. | 02:02:08 | |
I have nothing else to add. | 02:02:11 | |
You have nothing to say. | 02:02:13 | |
And I'd like to get a more warm and fuzzy, but I'm just not getting it, yeah. | 02:02:15 | |
Yeah. I mean, I yeah, I. | 02:02:20 | |
You know, we have tried to write this as as tightly as possible, yeah? | 02:02:22 | |
Focusing on one specific use. | 02:02:27 | |
And even considering the aesthetics of that use, given what the council is interested in keeping the village center in the village | 02:02:29 | |
center. | 02:02:33 | |
Esthetically but. | 02:02:38 | |
You're absolutely correct in your assumptions, even though we have a definition here that that says. | 02:02:39 | |
New numerical letters are fine. Non scoring letters work for gas price sign. | 02:02:46 | |
Legally, as your council has told you, we can't control content. | 02:02:52 | |
So a similar type of sign that shows prices of food, retail commodity is exactly the same thing. Yeah, well, what's the difference | 02:02:58 | |
between an A and A1? | 02:03:03 | |
If it's not scrolling. | 02:03:09 | |
And it's internally illuminated mortgage rates. | 02:03:11 | |
Yeah. | 02:03:15 | |
Payday loan rates, alright? | 02:03:17 | |
Just one last thing, I think we need to be consistent. | 02:03:20 | |
I remember a few years ago talking to an owner of a. | 02:03:23 | |
Of a business and the village who had had a temporary sign up for like a year. And I said, you know why, why don't you have, you | 02:03:28 | |
know, on your permanent sign up? He says. Well. | 02:03:32 | |
I've been fighting with Holiday City about what I can put up and I think if. | 02:03:38 | |
If we are seen to Kay. | 02:03:42 | |
For one business. | 02:03:44 | |
I think. | 02:03:46 | |
I'm just afraid that's going to generate a lot of feel well and like you say, all the other businesses are going to line up and | 02:03:47 | |
say, well, you didn't let me. | 02:03:52 | |
Do that before, but now you're letting them, so it's my turn, So yeah. | 02:03:56 | |
I think that's a definite possibility. Definite. | 02:04:01 | |
Downside of changing it? | 02:04:05 | |
OK. | 02:04:08 | |
Alright. | 02:04:10 | |
Well. | 02:04:12 | |
Moving right along. | 02:04:13 | |
The. | 02:04:16 | |
Do you want to do the City Hall update now, Gina? | 02:04:18 | |
OK. | 02:04:21 | |
Good evening everyone. | 02:04:29 | |
So we just like to kind of give you an update on where we are at in terms of. | 02:04:32 | |
What we've been doing in the last since our last meeting was really looking at what the structural engineer has provided in terms | 02:04:38 | |
of different options for seismic upgrades and then how we feel that matches with. | 02:04:43 | |
Some of the proposals for the kind of building use and building updates, as well as kind of some conceptual numbers for you to | 02:04:49 | |
consider. | 02:04:52 | |
Umm, so next slide. | 02:04:57 | |
Umm. | 02:04:59 | |
In really looking at kind of what was proposed by the structural engineer. | 02:05:02 | |
What we want you to kind of consider in terms of maybe. | 02:05:07 | |
Or we might be calling a decision tree for you guys to think about is really asking kind of yourself what? | 02:05:10 | |
A level of size of an upgrade makes the most sense because they're right now what we've outlined is there's really 3 levels that | 02:05:17 | |
they are proposing. | 02:05:21 | |
I'm. | 02:05:25 | |
Level 1 is basically life safety, right? So they're saying that we can do upgrades that. | 02:05:26 | |
Would provide the highest chance of being able to evacuate everybody from the building. | 02:05:32 | |
Umm. | 02:05:37 | |
During some type of large seismic event. | 02:05:37 | |
And that's just the only concern. | 02:05:40 | |
Level 2 would be Is that beyond life safety? | 02:05:42 | |
It's the potential for being able to rehab the building or use the building. | 02:05:46 | |
In some type of fashion after the seismic event. | 02:05:50 | |
Level 3, which is probably not a consideration, but we want to outline what it is. Level 3 is saying the building could be used | 02:05:53 | |
almost immediately after a large size of the event. | 02:05:58 | |
And so the reason why we think it's important for you to understand those levels is that basically that really drives. | 02:06:03 | |
Both costs, but also how we can think about the renovations and how they could be sequenced. | 02:06:10 | |
In level one, if you're just thinking about the kind of life safety, what the structural engineer had proposed is a series of kind | 02:06:15 | |
of. | 02:06:18 | |
Can a reattachment of the roof to the exterior walls through the through the through the exterior? | 02:06:23 | |
And then that by kind of connecting the the roof rafters to the walls, that's basically saying. | 02:06:30 | |
That's reducing the chance that if the walls fall out, the roof just collapses, right? | 02:06:36 | |
And then with that, there would be additional bracing in the roof, Joyce, particularly the wood roof joists to strengthen that. | 02:06:41 | |
The nice thing about that is that because it's what the structural engineer had talked to us about, the way that they would be | 02:06:48 | |
implementing that is that it's all completely exterior done. | 02:06:53 | |
And therefore you could either do it all at once or you could do. | 02:06:58 | |
You could do. | 02:07:03 | |
All of the renovations at once, including the seismic. | 02:07:04 | |
Or basically, you can treat the seismic as a discrete project separate from any of the interior renovations that you do. | 02:07:07 | |
Which means that you could phase all of those renovations. | 02:07:13 | |
In any type of sequence based upon financial budgets or getting funding or that type of thing, right? | 02:07:17 | |
Level 2. | 02:07:24 | |
Once we start to do what what is level 2 is? | 02:07:26 | |
Level 2 does all of Level 1 seismic upgrades, but it includes seismic upgrades to specific walls within the building. | 02:07:29 | |
Which have to be. | 02:07:37 | |
Secure rebuilt to make them kind of more secure for attachments for specifically the concrete Tees that run in this area of the | 02:07:38 | |
building. | 02:07:43 | |
By doing that that, that, that kind of. | 02:07:49 | |
Gives you less ability to do discrete projects because. | 02:07:52 | |
Once you're doing the walls then. | 02:07:57 | |
The invasiveness of the walls means you should be doing the renovations to those areas with them, right? | 02:07:58 | |
So that's why you'll see in the decision tree that we're saying either you do all of them all at once. | 02:08:04 | |
Or you could do them by level or by department. | 02:08:09 | |
And then we'll show you that kind of sequencing in a second. | 02:08:12 | |
Level 3, which is so invasive. | 02:08:15 | |
That, basically, is the you'd be rebuilding this building from the inside out. | 02:08:19 | |
So that's why we're saying most likely Level 3 is not the option that we would consider for you. | 02:08:23 | |
Next slide. | 02:08:28 | |
This basically outlines again the level of work we talked about at level one, level 2, Level 3. | 02:08:30 | |
And level 4 and and you can see the scope of work. | 02:08:36 | |
And we also provided example kind of projects that have been done or are being done locally. So you can understand the level in | 02:08:40 | |
which they're doing as you said, as I said in kind of level one, we're really doing roof reinforcing as well as some. | 02:08:47 | |
Umm. | 02:08:55 | |
Some lateral structural bracing for the trusses. Level 2 includes some very focused wall reconstruction. | 02:08:56 | |
Level 3 is entirely rebuilding all of the interior masonry walls. | 02:09:05 | |
Which again becomes extremely invasive. | 02:09:10 | |
And level 4 would be. Honestly, you should be looking at it. The only way to do a level 4 would be probably new construction. | 02:09:13 | |
Or what they're doing at the temple currently, which is. | 02:09:20 | |
Underpinning the entire thing with isolator paths, which. | 02:09:24 | |
Again. | 02:09:27 | |
Not probably what you're thinking about here. | 02:09:29 | |
Next slide. | 02:09:32 | |
So what we tried to do is also visually help you understand kind of what the the seismic kind of interventions. | 02:09:35 | |
Where they occur and what has to happen. Right so. | 02:09:42 | |
As you can see the dotted kind of. | 02:09:45 | |
The dotted lines indicate basically where they have to make the roof connections to walls. | 02:09:49 | |
Right. And that's what they said that they could do from the top down. | 02:09:54 | |
The green area is. | 02:09:58 | |
Really where we have to do some reinforcing to the wood trusses. | 02:10:01 | |
Which also can be done from the ceiling. | 02:10:05 | |
The red area are the actual kind of potential seismic walls that need to be considered basically for the concrete T. | 02:10:08 | |
The orange are the additional walls that would be requested by the structural engineer to get beyond to almost a Level 3. So as | 02:10:16 | |
you can see level 2 which we would say would include the red walls. | 02:10:23 | |
It's very confined to basically the area kind of right around where we're at. So we could contain it with some renovations to. | 02:10:30 | |
When we're doing the planning or when we're doing the basement renovations and some minor ration renovations over here? | 02:10:38 | |
The problem with going to Level 3 is, as you can see, is basically. | 02:10:44 | |
All of the interior walls would have to be rebuilt. | 02:10:47 | |
And that's why we think Level 3 is probably from a cost perspective not something. | 02:10:50 | |
That either we would recommend or the structure engineer saying would potentially recommend because of the cost. | 02:10:55 | |
Next slide. | 02:11:02 | |
So. | 02:11:08 | |
If. | 02:11:09 | |
We're considering basically. | 02:11:10 | |
A level one scenario, as we said, you can really treat these as discrete projects and we've kind of shown you the discrete areas | 02:11:12 | |
in which we're showing. | 02:11:16 | |
Kind of. | 02:11:20 | |
The work that would be done. | 02:11:21 | |
Umm. | 02:11:23 | |
We would consider basically phasing all of the work. | 02:11:24 | |
On the upper floors. | 02:11:28 | |
While using the area of the Little Conwood room and that area for kind of temporary kind of office space. | 02:11:30 | |
So that basically when planning would be redone, planning would be down there? | 02:11:38 | |
And then we could do that as one discrete project and then we could do the executive offices and with the executive offices down | 02:11:42 | |
there. | 02:11:45 | |
And then if we had to do light remodeling for here. | 02:11:48 | |
Like the council room, then you could actually use the Big Cottonwood room for temporary like council meetings, right? So we we | 02:11:52 | |
have enough space. | 02:11:55 | |
In this building of that if we do them discreetly. | 02:12:00 | |
We can constantly kind of move people around. | 02:12:03 | |
So that you can always paint scale in this building. | 02:12:06 | |
And I think that offers you a lot in terms of both being able to time this out so it doesn't have to happen. | 02:12:08 | |
Continuously. It could happen again when funding is available, but it also allows you to maintain continuity in this building | 02:12:15 | |
relative to city services. | 02:12:19 | |
Next slide. | 02:12:24 | |
The challenge with when this is like a Level 2 is that we have to be a little bit more directed in our sequencing. | 02:12:27 | |
And again, particularly because of where the red walls are falling. | 02:12:34 | |
You would then be doing those with a specific type of specific phase, right? So. | 02:12:38 | |
What we're showing here is we would phase one, the light green, which is the planning office 1st. | 02:12:44 | |
And those walls that would go all the way up? Floor, ceiling. | 02:12:50 | |
And they can move temporarily into the lower level. | 02:12:53 | |
Then we would move South to phase two, which would be the executive suites. | 02:12:56 | |
Because again, we would move those. | 02:13:01 | |
Back to. | 02:13:02 | |
Down to the lower level to use that office space, then phase three would be this area. | 02:13:04 | |
And then phase four would be eventual phase four and five is a really converting the basement office space once you're completely | 02:13:10 | |
not having to use it for temporary office for anywhere else? | 02:13:14 | |
Converting that to the future administrative offices when your need arises. So phase four and five could be pushed off. | 02:13:19 | |
But then by that time. | 02:13:26 | |
You have completed all the seismic and all the upgrades to the other parts of the building. | 02:13:28 | |
Next slide. | 02:13:33 | |
And then? | 02:13:36 | |
As you can see here, this is another way that we were thinking about phasing it and that would be as if you were just doing it by. | 02:13:37 | |
Levels where you basically renovate the entire basement first. | 02:13:44 | |
And then you would move to the upper floor and then move the. | 02:13:49 | |
Planning to one phase. | 02:13:53 | |
Administrative office, the second phase and then this final back area is with third phase. | 02:13:55 | |
And then fourth phase would be doing the. | 02:13:59 | |
The basement administrative kind of expansion, but that could be put off. | 02:14:02 | |
So it's really a little bit. | 02:14:07 | |
We were trying to think through ways in which which would be a little bit more disruptive. | 02:14:10 | |
If you were to do the whole bottom floor at least. | 02:14:15 | |
You can keep the whole floor, upper floor kind of moving almost. Um. | 02:14:18 | |
Uninterrupted in some respects. | 02:14:23 | |
Um, versus whether when we're doing it by? | 02:14:26 | |
Zone, but we're trying to do both the lower level and upper level wall. | 02:14:29 | |
We do have to do more temporary kind of. | 02:14:33 | |
Umm. | 02:14:36 | |
Partitioning to maintain safety for public accessing certain areas of the building adjacent to our construction is going. | 02:14:37 | |
I think the challenge of either phasing will always be noise and construction. | 02:14:45 | |
Because. | 02:14:49 | |
Particularly with if you choose the level 2 scenario where we're actually doing wall rebuilds. | 02:14:50 | |
You're going to have substantial amount of demolition noise as well as construction noise with the masonry. | 02:14:55 | |
The in particularly the demolition side, right? | 02:15:00 | |
Which would make it a lot harder for you to do sound isolation, regardless of whether you do it lower level or split up, right? | 02:15:03 | |
So we would be able to kind of maybe think through those things a little bit more. And we do feel like I said that you have the | 02:15:11 | |
space that we could probably figure out how to phase these things in a way where you don't have to leave the building which is | 02:15:15 | |
probably. | 02:15:18 | |
We would think a good priority to have. It's just that we would recognize that we do have to do a number of different issues come | 02:15:23 | |
up in either scenario in terms of isolation and safety. | 02:15:28 | |
Of the people actually working on site and then other things like environmental. | 02:15:33 | |
Holiness, the way the HVC system in this building. | 02:15:38 | |
Is kind of interconnected. | 02:15:42 | |
Would then require manipulation to try and isolate. | 02:15:43 | |
So you're not getting blowing dust or debris. | 02:15:47 | |
When AC is kicking on and off, right, so there's there suddenly becomes certain costs that would be involved that would be added | 02:15:49 | |
to the scope. | 02:15:53 | |
Because you're going to be able to, you're going to have partition the building as you move along. | 02:15:58 | |
Which the current electrical and HVAC system to be? | 02:16:02 | |
HVAC system isn't really set up to do. | 02:16:06 | |
That makes sense. | 02:16:09 | |
Next slide. | 02:16:11 | |
So what we wanted to do was just give you hopefully something that kind of really. | 02:16:14 | |
Outlines in quite clear terms. | 02:16:18 | |
Kind of what we were looking at in terms of guiding, kind of. | 02:16:21 | |
How you might be able to evaluate both the levels and the options and the phasing strategy. | 02:16:25 | |
So on the right, you'll see the seismic level of upgrade that we were calling out as level one or level 2. | 02:16:30 | |
And that's just the phasing, whether it's all at once. | 02:16:37 | |
Or the different types of phasing strategies that we just reviewed? | 02:16:40 | |
We wanted to talk. The next line is really the what we feel are the positive outcomes by choosing one or the other. | 02:16:44 | |
And then the next line is really the concerns with. | 02:16:50 | |
Moving in that direction. | 02:16:54 | |
We then provide a line which is. | 02:16:56 | |
The engineers preliminary cost estimate for just that type of seismic upgrade which we separated out from the architectural | 02:16:58 | |
renovation. So you can understand some. | 02:17:02 | |
Potential costs, cost impacts. | 02:17:07 | |
And then finally, if we have a concept, timeline and budget for the total project at the very end when you aggregate. | 02:17:09 | |
The seismic upgrades. | 02:17:16 | |
As well as preliminary kind of architectural estimates, right? | 02:17:17 | |
And like I said, I think what we're trying to do is give you just really big picture idea of where we think this might come in | 02:17:21 | |
line and then the timelines we're looking at. | 02:17:26 | |
And that continues on the next page. | 02:17:35 | |
So for us, when we were kind of laying this out, we kind of were thinking. | 02:17:38 | |
Our recommendation to you as a council would be to consider these steps as next step. One is really talk about what level of | 02:17:43 | |
seismic upgrade meets. | 02:17:47 | |
Earnings for for the use of this building and what you aspire for in terms of the buildings longevity. | 02:17:52 | |
From there, what we would say is we would then kind of talk about what phasing strategy might make the best sense based upon that | 02:17:59 | |
seismic upgrade level. | 02:18:03 | |
Whether we're trying to do it all at once, where we can phase it, what type of basin we can do. | 02:18:08 | |
What we would then say is when the the Council has kind of certain determinations on that, we would actually recommend that the | 02:18:13 | |
Council kind of provide funding to. | 02:18:18 | |
Higher than whether us or some other consultant to actually bring the design level up to a schematic. | 02:18:23 | |
Level, which would then have enough information that you would be engaging the engineers, the HVAC, electricians and probably even | 02:18:29 | |
whether it's a cost estimator or contractor paid to just provide preliminary costs to you so that you can have a real time data. | 02:18:37 | |
But right now the conceptual designs that we have don't have enough detail for a lot of people to maybe dig into the. | 02:18:45 | |
To get into the kind of. | 02:18:53 | |
The true nature of what might need to happen and particularly like we said from from a phasing standpoint, understanding what | 02:18:55 | |
would actually have to happen to your HVAC and electrical systems. | 02:19:00 | |
To actually make that work is something that we're not. We don't have enough details to really kind of work with, right? | 02:19:06 | |
And then for a contractor to then really provide you or a cost estimated to provide you some more accurate pricing? | 02:19:11 | |
There is not enough level of detail in both drawings or information for them to actually then give you a take off or some kind of. | 02:19:17 | |
Kind of more specific line items to go through, So that would probably be what we recommend is the next step. | 02:19:23 | |
And then again the final step is then once we have that information in drawing form with also. | 02:19:30 | |
Information from all the consultants. You can really look at the actual costs. | 02:19:36 | |
In a kind of more tight way than where we are because we're giving you what we consider quite high level. | 02:19:40 | |
Central cost. | 02:19:46 | |
And as you, kind of. | 02:19:47 | |
Narrow down what you're kind of. | 02:19:48 | |
Decision might be it would be nicer to have enough information to then develop harder costs for you to then make. | 02:19:51 | |
More kind of determinations that have moved forward with in terms of particularly timeline and sequencing. | 02:19:58 | |
So that's kind of our overview to you that we wanted to just. | 02:20:04 | |
Really bringing out today and I would, we'd love to answer any questions you have towards us about kind of this approach or or | 02:20:07 | |
things that you saw in the. | 02:20:10 | |
Presentation that you have. | 02:20:15 | |
Yeah, what do you guys want to do? | 02:20:17 | |
I mean, we we've already sort of. | 02:20:21 | |
Been zeroing in on a level 2 sort of thing. | 02:20:24 | |
The big question is, yeah, the phasing and and is and is an all at once even an option? Does that really mean moving out of the | 02:20:29 | |
building? | 02:20:33 | |
Although that might create some some cost savings for the project. | 02:20:38 | |
And you have additional costs of renting somewhere else and moving costs. | 02:20:42 | |
But then again, it might save some money, but I don't even know if we even. | 02:20:47 | |
That would take a fair amount of homework I think, just to figure out if there is if the alternative of all at once. | 02:20:52 | |
Really used it as a viable. | 02:20:57 | |
Option. So we'd have to find reasonable space, presumably within the boundaries of the city. | 02:21:00 | |
And there's no way there's a plethora of office space. Just to score would be a real problem, I think. | 02:21:07 | |
Yeah, maybe planning. I mean, I mean, we've got all our plans and. | 02:21:12 | |
I mean, everybody would be a pain, but especially like the court would think. | 02:21:17 | |
Yeah, but it's it's worse at work. Worth asking the question, but. | 02:21:21 | |
Yeah, it feels like. | 02:21:26 | |
That's a heavy lift to doing all at once, which means. | 02:21:29 | |
Out of the building. | 02:21:32 | |
And. | 02:21:34 | |
So, so, so unless there is a viable option for that and that's just when we ex out on the on the front end and figure out the | 02:21:35 | |
phasic, yeah, we had. | 02:21:41 | |
You know there is a temporary. | 02:21:48 | |
Well, there is a City Hall that is being vacated to in close proximity, but. | 02:21:51 | |
It sounds like that building is already slated for redevelopment. That's what I've read is they'll Creek's existing town hall. | 02:21:56 | |
Part of the reason for them to push forward for that was that their lease was not going to be renewed and so then there was kind | 02:22:02 | |
of a finite timeline for Mill Creek. | 02:22:07 | |
To move out of that space. | 02:22:13 | |
Now the the one thing would be interesting for things like Justice Court or something like that is if I remember correctly and | 02:22:14 | |
locate those is. | 02:22:18 | |
Having a similar court scenario in there. | 02:22:23 | |
Building and their new one. I don't. I didn't, OK. | 02:22:26 | |
It would be if they had something similar. It was close enough. | 02:22:29 | |
The jurisdiction allows you to temporarily use something like that for administrative Office of the Courts that has to sign off on | 02:22:32 | |
the space. | 02:22:37 | |
Yeah, like a temporary rental space probably just wouldn't work. | 02:22:42 | |
Particularly for some, especially since we have two contracts now, Mill Creek and Time, what rights? | 02:22:46 | |
It would be. It would be a big deal. | 02:22:51 | |
The other place I might think would be close proximity to you that might have that facility would be Murray. | 02:22:54 | |
And their new City Hall. | 02:22:59 | |
What? What? Remind me again what you said? | 02:23:01 | |
Your thought about what our next step should be, what's the next decision point. So I think really right now is it sounds like | 02:23:05 | |
you've kind of made the decision. The biggest one was where do you feel like seismic level upgrade is what the council would | 02:23:11 | |
really want And it seems like level 2 is where you are thinking is the best for you that would give you beyond just like safety | 02:23:17 | |
would probably give you you know some some ability to potentially reuse the building or repair the building after. | 02:23:24 | |
Right. And so to that point though, I just one thing you haven't seen although the discussion has been. | 02:23:31 | |
Kind of focused towards level 2. I don't think you've seen the total budget impact before. And so just want to point out that last | 02:23:38 | |
column. | 02:23:44 | |
Because that's a larger number than we had been talking about the 10 million. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was, we're talking 8 before, | 02:23:50 | |
weren't we? | 02:23:53 | |
Yeah, I think but what we're, what we're accounting for really right now is so the structural engineers had given a really. | 02:23:57 | |
Big number and I think that one would have to be massaged. | 02:24:05 | |
When, particularly because what he has said is that with level 2. | 02:24:09 | |
He was recommending this structural wall upgrade but then he had originally provided it as all of that and so when we went back to | 02:24:13 | |
them and asked, well. | 02:24:17 | |
Is there a way to be more nuanced in terms of how much Wall absolutely needs to be done to do like a level 2? That's when he | 02:24:21 | |
isolated it to the Reds, right? | 02:24:26 | |
So there may be some kind of. | 02:24:30 | |
We really have to then pin down the cost for actually how much wall. | 02:24:33 | |
Needs to be reconstructed in that specific kind of. So if we, if we. | 02:24:38 | |
Get to a point where we can drill down and really focus this into. | 02:24:45 | |
But let's say, yeah, we want to do we we really think level two phase is the right approach. | 02:24:50 | |
That then you would go out and say let me go do, let me, let me go refine these drawings and get some more specific. Yeah. So | 02:24:58 | |
that's why we're saying the next step is if you're saying like Level 2 is where we we think. | 02:25:03 | |
That provides the most value to the the kind of the city accounts the city building use, right? | 02:25:09 | |
Then we would say then the next step would be is that we would have to then get money for fee to then actually bring the level of | 02:25:15 | |
drawings. | 02:25:19 | |
And also the consultants on board to identify exactly what all level team needs to happen as well as like the amount exactly and | 02:25:23 | |
have enough details to really get into particularly from the construction side. | 02:25:29 | |
The detail, the detail for contractor to give you some better or worse, right? | 02:25:35 | |
I mean. | 02:25:39 | |
Personally, I'm having a real problem like. | 02:25:41 | |
Like talking about, we're going to make a decision like, yeah, no, this is great information. I think this is great because it | 02:25:44 | |
gives us something to, but I think we need to agenda this again. | 02:25:50 | |
Get appropriate and maybe even have a separate staff meeting because when you started talking about noise. | 02:25:55 | |
I was only in here for two hours when they were jackhammering up the steps and. | 02:26:01 | |
Yeah, I think, I think we need to hear from staff too when we start talking about this stuff about OK. | 02:26:06 | |
What does this really mean for the people that are actually going to be working in this building when this is happening? And maybe | 02:26:13 | |
we need to move out anyway, Maybe we need to move out anyway. | 02:26:17 | |
What about the money piece? We haven't really talked about that, you know. | 02:26:22 | |
That this isn't something where we're going to be able to. | 02:26:27 | |
Say, OK, we'll budget $2,000,000 a year for. | 02:26:30 | |
Five years to pay for this. This is going to have to be bonded for or we're going to have to. | 02:26:33 | |
We're gonna have to. | 02:26:39 | |
Get new. I mean, I think we need to kind of talk about all this stuff and see if we can work, work, work our way into a consensus. | 02:26:41 | |
Yeah. And that's why what we what we then thought what's most important for us to provide to you was that first page decision | 02:26:45 | |
tree. | 02:26:49 | |
Yeah. So hopefully that helps you when you guys have a discussion. We honestly felt this was not you were gonna make a decision, | 02:26:54 | |
it was us trying to then give you a way to then talk about this so that you could make a decision. And so hopefully you have | 02:26:58 | |
enough information here that you can now kind of dig through it. But like I said and then if you go to the last slide, which is | 02:27:03 | |
really the steps, right. | 02:27:07 | |
It's really once you that's we're saying is. | 02:27:12 | |
Once you can actually kind of determine. | 02:27:15 | |
You know step one and two in your discussion. | 02:27:17 | |
Then you could come back to us and say we need to do Step 3 to get enough information to get numbers for step four and then that | 02:27:20 | |
would help you on the final page of like are we gonna bond? Do we have to spread it over X number of years? | 02:27:26 | |
Are there grants available that we should be going for that type of thing to actually identify that? But yeah, we totally | 02:27:32 | |
understand it. Right now it's actually. | 02:27:36 | |
A large amount of information that the Council really has to sit back and think about. | 02:27:40 | |
I think this is. | 02:27:45 | |
Great, Great. | 02:27:47 | |
Yeah, maybe even hold the Wrecking Ball. | 02:27:49 | |
We did joke that you could, you could potentially make a deal. We can do it. | 02:27:54 | |
And I think the other thing the decision tree in this matrix tried to give you is different ways to approach it. So Mayor, you | 02:28:01 | |
know, you said this is something we couldn't pay for $2,000,000 a year over five years. | 02:28:07 | |
I think if that if you wanted that to be your basis for a decision, let let's do something where we can pay cash overtime. | 02:28:15 | |
Then I think. | 02:28:23 | |
That looking at this matrix then that might be a level 1 something that phase discrete project approach. | 02:28:25 | |
Um. | 02:28:34 | |
Because I think that is something that we could look at phasing different departments overtime. | 02:28:35 | |
Potentially without bonding. | 02:28:41 | |
So it depends on on how you want to approach. | 02:28:44 | |
This issue, and that's what really what the decision tree and the matrix tried to lay out for you. | 02:28:48 | |
Yeah, so I mean unless unless I'm mistaken, I think the next step is probably this might be a great. | 02:28:54 | |
Topic for a independent work session. We haven't had one of those in a long time. | 02:29:01 | |
Where we block out a couple hours to really go through this and talk about. | 02:29:07 | |
The pros and cons of each and see if we can start to narrow it down to. | 02:29:12 | |
Yeah, I think this is this is the direction we need to go in and. | 02:29:17 | |
Then take the next step which would be. | 02:29:23 | |
I guess the next step would be if we can get to that say, OK, this is what I think we want to do. | 02:29:25 | |
Let's go see if we can get some more, some really realistic numbers in terms of what we think it's going to be. | 02:29:30 | |
And like I said, you know what I hope you guys, you know if you have any questions about level one, level 2, Level 3, I think | 02:29:37 | |
ultimately level one is of course you know probably. | 02:29:41 | |
You know. | 02:29:47 | |
The kind of thing that at minimum is just going to make this building safe for people to get out right. | 02:29:47 | |
The question about longevity of building is of course related to both what we imagine you know, you guys wanting this building to | 02:29:53 | |
do and serve their community for and for how long and how much you want to quote invest in it to see. | 02:29:59 | |
Of improving your chances of making sure it can last that long like I'll be up front when I talk to structurally, I'm like, OK | 02:30:05 | |
with the whole wall scenario, right? | 02:30:09 | |
If they spend this money can you give me a percentage of like what you're increasing the chances of building works arrive and he's | 02:30:13 | |
like. | 02:30:16 | |
No, He's like, I can tell you I'm improving your chances and improving it by 70% or 20%. He's like, I don't really know. | 02:30:20 | |
Right. He's like this is just best practices. | 02:30:27 | |
Of improving the chances that this building could be used. | 02:30:30 | |
After a large size. | 02:30:34 | |
Right. The life safety, which is just the roof fitting, he's like, absolutely. | 02:30:35 | |
We're feeling really, really confident that with just those changes we can at least make this building. | 02:30:39 | |
Safe to get people out. | 02:30:45 | |
Beyond that, it becomes more. | 02:30:47 | |
Less kind of like. | 02:30:50 | |
An evaluation of exactly dollar for like safety improvement. | 02:30:53 | |
A kind of paying payout. You can't really evaluate it that way from there on out, right? | 02:30:58 | |
It's going to be. | 02:31:02 | |
How much you know you think is worthwhile versus the kind of intrusion to kind of be again existing building which then causes? | 02:31:03 | |
Remodeling and revisions as well as you know again if this building is. | 02:31:12 | |
How important is this building to be maintained? | 02:31:16 | |
Emphasizing event occurs, right? | 02:31:20 | |
And also the money that's kind of starting to add up to it. | 02:31:22 | |
And again, we, we even had a discussion internally. We're like well you know they kept on saying the big one. | 02:31:25 | |
You know, I was 8 years old remembering that they were saying the big ones coming in 10 years, we're gonna. | 02:31:30 | |
And we still haven't seen the big ones. So, so that mean that it's. | 02:31:35 | |
Closer to coming or not, I don't, We don't know. Right. So in some respects, yeah, as a council, you guys gonna play that? | 02:31:39 | |
The the game of chance and summers what what I'm hearing now is the love of $1.00 investment is is very good is Big Bang for your | 02:31:47 | |
buck exactly. But the but the investment between one and two starts to get squishy and. | 02:31:54 | |
Beyond that, it probably doesn't make sense and it should just be rebuilding it, right? You're building right. I think it's a. | 02:32:02 | |
Fair debate, though, to have between 1:00 and 2:00. Yeah, I think you're right. | 02:32:08 | |
Understand like. | 02:32:13 | |
Well, particularly since we bonded 10 million bucks to do all the storm water and streets. | 02:32:15 | |
And then we're talking about for level 2, same amount just for the building. | 02:32:20 | |
Yeah. | 02:32:25 | |
And what would be the cost of earthquake insurance, right? I was thinking that. I mean beyond, beyond life. | 02:32:26 | |
Protection, which ought to be an absolute priority for the staff, would be unwise protection maybe. | 02:32:32 | |
Maybe you look at the financial piece as well, maybe we just. | 02:32:38 | |
Get everybody out and then let's buy some insurance. | 02:32:41 | |
I think those are the kind of the debates. | 02:32:45 | |
That they need to have, yeah, because I think that's. | 02:32:49 | |
Fair. | 02:32:53 | |
To get. | 02:32:55 | |
You're going to get. | 02:32:57 | |
10% more for double the price, is that like I think it's a fair 10% or 60% if you don't know, well it's 10%. | 02:32:58 | |
So I think we just talked about you know when we want to schedule work meeting to kind of go through this and see if we can start. | 02:33:12 | |
Working our way towards a consensus. | 02:33:18 | |
Right. But I think this is great help. Yeah, sure. Council, any additional information you would need for that conversation? | 02:33:22 | |
One thing I was wondering is. | 02:33:32 | |
I I don't know if and how our building fits into emergency preparedness. | 02:33:34 | |
Plans for the the county and the state. | 02:33:40 | |
Are they relying on this building at all? | 02:33:44 | |
For any of that. | 02:33:47 | |
We can get you a little more detail, but the quick answer is. | 02:33:50 | |
Probably not. Probably not. Yeah, but. | 02:33:54 | |
It is where we house our Police Department. | 02:33:58 | |
And so in terms of protection of our first responders, it's fairly critical. | 02:34:01 | |
Yeah. Also you you'd mentioned the Justice Court issue. | 02:34:07 | |
About, you know, if we moved out, but even if we moved downstairs, does that create a contractual problem for us? | 02:34:11 | |
Because we don't have the holding cells downstairs. There's all kinds of goofy things there. Yeah, I think we would need to. | 02:34:21 | |
Discuss that with the administrative office of the courts. There's a list of things that we need to provide, and if we were | 02:34:30 | |
providing them in an alternate location, I think would be OK. | 02:34:36 | |
And whether it's inside the building or in different building, that might just be sixes. | 02:34:44 | |
Well, I think. | 02:34:51 | |
I think the question about earthquake insurance and see if. | 02:34:54 | |
Then is there any way to kind of clarify what a ballpark is, if, if it's even insurable, and if it is, how much that is that may | 02:34:58 | |
factor into a decision? | 02:35:03 | |
Yeah, because I agree with you. It's like well. | 02:35:09 | |
If we can. | 02:35:12 | |
Garrett, if we can protect the life safety issue. | 02:35:14 | |
And but we're uncertain as to the survivability of the structure. | 02:35:18 | |
They would just ensure the structure, yeah. And. | 02:35:23 | |
Then we take the risk that if something happens, we have an insurance piece to help us. At that point, you're going to be talking | 02:35:27 | |
about tearing it down anyway. | 02:35:30 | |
And. | 02:35:35 | |
I think it's a fair debate to have, but it'd be nice, it'd be nice to see. | 02:35:37 | |
If that insurance is available and how much it is, yeah. | 02:35:42 | |
And then kind of amortize it over whatever period of time, so. | 02:35:46 | |
OK. Any other questions for me? Anything else? | 02:35:54 | |
Tina, do you need, I mean is that are we good there? Great discussion. Thank you. | 02:35:57 | |
Small pieces of information. | 02:36:02 | |
Whether we could obtain earthquake insurance and then the question about the the role of our building in emergency preparedness | 02:36:04 | |
for the county, county wide. | 02:36:10 | |
Anything else? | 02:36:16 | |
There is one justice Court issue. Justice Court, thank you. | 02:36:18 | |
OK. Thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you. | 02:36:24 | |
Jared, the moment you've been waiting for. | 02:36:30 | |
By the way, Jared, thank you. I forgot to say. | 02:36:34 | |
The project, all the new water mains and the new pavement has just been finished. And it is. | 02:36:39 | |
Fabulous and everyone loves you. | 02:36:46 | |
All that. All that water. | 02:36:49 | |
Went down to Highland Drive, now bubbling up. | 02:36:52 | |
Island. Yeah, yeah. Spring Lake. And then give us the other tickets. | 02:36:56 | |
That's folded so badly. | 02:37:01 | |
Started crying. | 02:37:05 | |
Did you say Don't you know who I am? | 02:37:08 | |
Very soon. | 02:37:13 | |
So and and you should know about this. | 02:37:17 | |
Alright, well. | 02:37:22 | |
More riveting information here for you guys. | 02:37:25 | |
We have been working on analyzing and reviewing and studying. | 02:37:30 | |
Our storm drain projects over the last year. | 02:37:37 | |
And. | 02:37:41 | |
I wanted to take some time and present those to you and. | 02:37:43 | |
One, so we have 5 projects here. | 02:37:51 | |
Um. | 02:37:55 | |
This one here is was originally. | 02:37:57 | |
Plan to be done in two phases and then after talking with Gina and. | 02:38:01 | |
Getting a little bit more feedback we. | 02:38:06 | |
Said We're going to. | 02:38:09 | |
Combine this into one project, Get it all done. This is our Metamorphic area Storm drain project. This is where we have had some | 02:38:11 | |
severe flooding. | 02:38:16 | |
In people's homes. | 02:38:23 | |
This is because of a storm drain that was built. | 02:38:25 | |
That runs behind people's backyards. | 02:38:29 | |
It's in a location with. | 02:38:33 | |
That. | 02:38:38 | |
The access points are inaccessible. | 02:38:39 | |
For our storm drain cleaning equipment like the big vactor trucks. | 02:38:42 | |
The storm drain. | 02:38:48 | |
Hasn't been protected like the the location of. It hasn't been protected from structures and. | 02:38:51 | |
Vegetation over the top of it or? | 02:39:00 | |
What we're seeing are a lot of big trees with roots that have grown into the pipe joints, blocking the capacity of the pipe. | 02:39:04 | |
So when? | 02:39:16 | |
In this area. | 02:39:17 | |
Collects a large. | 02:39:19 | |
Or this pipe has a large collection area of stormwater and it collects groundwater. | 02:39:22 | |
So during all of this combines answer question, yeah is this sort of a unique thing to this area, these backyard based stormwater | 02:39:29 | |
drains versus street based ones? | 02:39:35 | |
Is this is this the unique for here or do we have this kind of backyard stuff all over the city? | 02:39:41 | |
This is our worst case, but we do have several of these. Yeah, in my backyard. | 02:39:46 | |
Yeah. | 02:39:52 | |
We don't have money for that. | 02:39:54 | |
OK. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, so. | 02:39:58 | |
Uh, two years ago, we there there were. | 02:40:00 | |
5. | 02:40:05 | |
Houses that had reported flooding and then there were a number of other houses. | 02:40:07 | |
That didn't flood that didn't really report it to the city with the claim that we eventually denied. | 02:40:12 | |
So I think. | 02:40:20 | |
More Dale Circle is 1. | 02:40:24 | |
Where we hit hit four houses all next to each other. | 02:40:27 | |
I wanna cross the street from Meadow Moore Drive or Meadow Moore Rd. | 02:40:32 | |
There were some basements there that were also flooded. | 02:40:40 | |
But this whole thing is a ticking time bomb. | 02:40:44 | |
Just because, again, the backyard. | 02:40:48 | |
Can't maintain it, trees growing into it. | 02:40:50 | |
Um, so the solution to this is to reconstruct the storm drain? | 02:40:54 | |
Down the roadway that we can access and that we can maintain. | 02:41:00 | |
And that. | 02:41:05 | |
Roots are not going to grow into. | 02:41:06 | |
Um. | 02:41:08 | |
We are. We are thinking that the existing pipe might. | 02:41:10 | |
Have 50% capacity in it. So we are designing the system so that we can. | 02:41:15 | |
Put orifices or blocks in front of. | 02:41:22 | |
The where the water would enter into the existing pipe. | 02:41:25 | |
And we would block it. | 02:41:29 | |
At a 50% capacity and we'll be able to make adjustments to it in the future. | 02:41:30 | |
To the point of closing it off at 100%. | 02:41:36 | |
Umm. | 02:41:40 | |
And at the same time utilizing the new storm drain at 100% capacity. | 02:41:42 | |
Umm. | 02:41:48 | |
So this is the alignment I don't know if you want. I mean the the new alignment is in black and then the existing alignment is in | 02:41:49 | |
blue. | 02:41:53 | |
So generally it runs from Green Street up to Kings Row, where it connects back in to that existing system by the ball field. | 02:41:58 | |
So we have 100% design on this and it's out to bid and the bid is scheduled to close. | 02:42:08 | |
Monday. | 02:42:17 | |
The budget for this is $2,000,000. | 02:42:19 | |
Or 2.1. | 02:42:22 | |
So, Jared, you just. | 02:42:25 | |
Imagine the old part. | 02:42:26 | |
No. So we are going to leave it in place. Um. | 02:42:28 | |
Just close off access. | 02:42:33 | |
We're going for now, limit the. | 02:42:34 | |
Amount of water that can enter into that pipe at a 50% capacity. | 02:42:38 | |
There is, so that doesn't. | 02:42:44 | |
I understand ethics. What? What is it? | 02:42:50 | |
So. | 02:42:53 | |
What are hooking up to and where is it dumping into? | 02:42:54 | |
Like is it a viable storm drain on Crown Colony? Where it's? | 02:42:58 | |
It's dumping into the same place at Crown Colony, right? You know, where does it go from there? So yeah, right there on Kings Row | 02:43:03 | |
Run. | 02:43:07 | |
Does a arch around the back of the ball field. | 02:43:11 | |
And then it runs through more people's backyards to 13th East and then it crosses 13th east and runs down to properties until it | 02:43:15 | |
enters into the. | 02:43:19 | |
Salt Lake City. | 02:43:24 | |
A property in Mill Creek and then it connects over to Van Winkle and then to melt into Mill Creek. So it flows pretty well from | 02:43:26 | |
that point, no? | 02:43:31 | |
So that's our phase three. | 02:43:39 | |
Uh, which we have. | 02:43:41 | |
We. | 02:43:44 | |
We are continuing to study our phase three area UM. | 02:43:45 | |
Focusing more on the portion that runs through the Salt Lake. | 02:43:51 | |
City property. | 02:43:54 | |
Um, and. | 02:43:56 | |
We are continuing to. | 02:43:58 | |
Struggle with a viable solution. | 02:44:03 | |
To where it runs behind Rebecca St. | 02:44:06 | |
Ohh. | 02:44:10 | |
And type that runs around the back of the ball field is in very good condition. | 02:44:11 | |
Up until where it joins into Rebecca and from Rebecca it goes. | 02:44:16 | |
I don't know if you have a regular area aerial, John. | 02:44:23 | |
Um. | 02:44:27 | |
Guess we're just a bit too far West to get into. | 02:44:31 | |
Big Common Creek, right? | 02:44:34 | |
We looked at a few alignment options, taking it directly South into Big Cottonwood Creek, and we're not really finding a viable | 02:44:37 | |
alignment. | 02:44:43 | |
So I'm gonna. | 02:44:50 | |
Point overall. Rebecca's the the circle there. Gotcha. Ohh OK. | 02:44:52 | |
The height. | 02:45:00 | |
We're gonna connect in here, right pipe runs along the path. | 02:45:01 | |
Side of this ball field. | 02:45:05 | |
And that's in good shape. | 02:45:08 | |
Into Rebecca's circle. | 02:45:10 | |
And then? | 02:45:12 | |
From this point it has. | 02:45:13 | |
Through these lots and it runs between it runs behind these lots. | 02:45:15 | |
And this apartment complex over the 13. | 02:45:20 | |
This section in here, we haven't been able to video it. | 02:45:24 | |
Because of the lack of access, so I'm not actually 100% certain what. | 02:45:29 | |
Conditioners. | 02:45:34 | |
I see a whole big line of trees right there. It's just, yeah, yeah. | 02:45:37 | |
Yeah. | 02:45:42 | |
And. | 02:45:44 | |
I can tell you that the property owners. | 02:45:45 | |
We'll fight tooth and nail. | 02:45:49 | |
About having those trees removed. | 02:45:50 | |
So. | 02:45:55 | |
Karama. | 02:46:00 | |
But. | 02:46:01 | |
What we're going to address now will. | 02:46:03 | |
Alleviate the flooding on the. | 02:46:07 | |
Properties that had. | 02:46:10 | |
Experience Um. | 02:46:12 | |
The flooding. | 02:46:16 | |
Two years ago. | 02:46:17 | |
There was some. There was actually. | 02:46:19 | |
Two or three properties that were flooded on Rebecca Circle. | 02:46:21 | |
And we're still trying to determine if it had more to do with the fact that the greats. | 02:46:26 | |
On. | 02:46:32 | |
The apartment complex. | 02:46:36 | |
So there there are strong grain grades here for this apartment complex that connected to it. | 02:46:40 | |
And these were clogged with leaves and things. | 02:46:45 | |
And we think that that was the being issue. | 02:46:48 | |
The clogging of the grace. | 02:46:52 | |
Where the water flooded over the curb and. | 02:46:54 | |
The backyards. | 02:46:57 | |
So if we keep the apartment complex clear. | 02:46:59 | |
Yeah. | 02:47:04 | |
But. | 02:47:05 | |
There have been some maintenance people at the. | 02:47:08 | |
Apartment complex that says no. Even if we clear the grades, the pipe still doesn't have the capacity. | 02:47:12 | |
We think that that might have more to do with the issue happening in Salt Lake City property then. | 02:47:19 | |
Means not necessarily the pipe directly here in behind Rebecca circle. | 02:47:27 | |
So. | 02:47:35 | |
We still have a few unknowns. | 02:47:36 | |
Any other questions about metal more project? | 02:47:42 | |
Otherwise, I'll. | 02:47:45 | |
Continue to Project 2. | 02:47:46 | |
And we're going to start first with what we call a catchment area. | 02:47:53 | |
Or uh. | 02:47:57 | |
The drainage basin. | 02:47:58 | |
This is. | 02:48:01 | |
Addressing continuing to address problems with how we drive. | 02:48:03 | |
And in addition to. | 02:48:08 | |
The issues of how we drive were addressing. | 02:48:11 | |
Issues that are occurring on 2300. I live at the bottom of this catchment area. So yeah I catch I catch all of the you know what | 02:48:14 | |
the bottom of the hill that's where that where we got the picture. The lake on the cul-de-sac. Yeah, yeah that's that's Sonoma, | 02:48:20 | |
which is just. | 02:48:25 | |
So Rick Sonoma, we call. | 02:48:32 | |
You can actually water ski on that big storm. | 02:48:35 | |
This conduct hanging. | 02:48:39 | |
So. | 02:48:42 | |
The purple area represents all the. | 02:48:43 | |
Stormwater that could potentially drain over land. | 02:48:47 | |
To how we drive in Sonoma Drive. | 02:48:52 | |
In smaller storm events, the stuff east of 23 actually gets. | 02:48:56 | |
It doesn't cross 23 E, it'll be. | 02:49:01 | |
Conveyed into some pipes and catch basins on 23 E. | 02:49:05 | |
In heavier storm events. | 02:49:10 | |
Stormwater will cross the crown on 23 E and then continue. | 02:49:14 | |
Over into Howie and Sonoma. | 02:49:19 | |
Um. | 02:49:22 | |
So to alleviate the water, how we. | 02:49:24 | |
And Sonoma. | 02:49:28 | |
We. | 02:49:30 | |
And to address a second problem which we're having on 23 E where we have a storm, do you want to go ahead and go to the next slide | 02:49:32 | |
slide? | 02:49:36 | |
Our. | 02:49:42 | |
Let let me explain how the current storm drain system works on 2300 E. | 02:49:43 | |
We have a private road called Rent Haven Rd. and then. | 02:49:49 | |
At that road, there's two existing catch basins that are in yellow. | 02:49:55 | |
And. | 02:50:00 | |
They collect a little bit of water off of rent haven and a lot of water off of 2300 E. | 02:50:02 | |
And it. | 02:50:09 | |
Goes through the. | 02:50:10 | |
Catch basins and it goes through the person's side yard and then through the person's backyard and then out to. | 02:50:12 | |
2300 cent. | 02:50:21 | |
Down to the I215. | 02:50:24 | |
Not route. | 02:50:27 | |
Drainage system. | 02:50:28 | |
Um, we cannot. | 02:50:31 | |
The the system. | 02:50:33 | |
Is undersized and that's why we get. | 02:50:36 | |
Topping over on 2300 E and then where it continues West. | 02:50:40 | |
Umm. | 02:50:45 | |
We are continuing to have maintenance issues on this guy's private property. | 02:50:46 | |
Where the system was inundating. | 02:50:51 | |
His. | 02:50:56 | |
His rear yard and. | 02:50:58 | |
He's spending. | 02:51:00 | |
Well, from my understanding I have validated but 10s of thousands of dollars. | 02:51:04 | |
On a regular basis dealing with this issue. | 02:51:09 | |
Fred Kraut, He's the HOA president. | 02:51:12 | |
For the subdivision E, it's just what's the Is this that what subdivision Red Haven? | 02:51:15 | |
For dinner basements. | 02:51:22 | |
Oh, oh, OK, OK now I know where you're talking about just the one that goes up the hill. Just just he just the the freeways just. | 02:51:25 | |
So this is. | 02:51:36 | |
This project will kill two birds with one stone. One is it will alleviate the impacts to this property owner. | 02:51:38 | |
And then two, it will alleviate. | 02:51:47 | |
Excess storm water. | 02:51:50 | |
Going later now we in Sonoma. | 02:51:53 | |
But Sonoma. | 02:51:56 | |
Sonoma, yeah. | 02:51:58 | |
You know. | 02:51:59 | |
Any questions about this project and how much? | 02:52:01 | |
Um, I'll give you Do you want to hit that now or wait till the end? Ohh, let's wait till the end. | 02:52:04 | |
I do have concepts in this. It's about 10% of what. | 02:52:10 | |
Well, that's cheaper in our district. | 02:52:15 | |
OK, so. | 02:52:20 | |
I'm saving one of the. | 02:52:23 | |
More fun and complicated areas for our last three projects. | 02:52:25 | |
Umm. | 02:52:31 | |
Which are kind of all in one area so. | 02:52:34 | |
The colored areas represent 3 drainage basins. | 02:52:37 | |
Umm. | 02:52:43 | |
The purple, the. | 02:52:44 | |
Blue and then the green. | 02:52:46 | |
Each one of these areas will end up with their own separate project. | 02:52:50 | |
So the issues that we have going on in this area. | 02:52:55 | |
Are that we are. | 02:53:00 | |
Draining a lot of water into undersized and old. | 02:53:02 | |
Irrigation system. | 02:53:06 | |
And we are causing. | 02:53:09 | |
Minor flooding on a couple of properties, one in particular. | 02:53:13 | |
And. | 02:53:17 | |
We have a ticking time bomb with the way the existing. | 02:53:19 | |
Irrigation system is. | 02:53:24 | |
Well, we're not. This is another one that we're not able to properly maintain either, because it runs through people's rear yards. | 02:53:27 | |
And we have. | 02:53:35 | |
Heavy vegetation over the top of it. | 02:53:37 | |
And again, there's also root intrusion into the irrigation piping. | 02:53:39 | |
Umm. | 02:53:45 | |
So. | 02:53:47 | |
If you want to, we may flip back to this one if you guys have further questions about it, but we're going to, we're going to go | 02:53:50 | |
into the Project 1 here. | 02:53:54 | |
Um. | 02:53:59 | |
So project one is to. | 02:54:00 | |
Run a storm drain from. | 02:54:04 | |
Shenae Glanis Crystal Afflecks Property South. | 02:54:09 | |
Down Cottonwood Lane Rd. Two Big Cottonwood Creek. | 02:54:13 | |
This will. | 02:54:18 | |
Pick up the stormwater on Cottonwood Lane and separate it from the irrigation and convey that storm water. | 02:54:20 | |
To a proper place for its outlet into. | 02:54:30 | |
Outfall into Big Copper Creek. | 02:54:36 | |
Any questions about this specific project? | 02:54:47 | |
I'm trying to picture this, so this is. | 02:54:51 | |
The green represents the irrigation system. | 02:54:53 | |
I don't want the allocation that is about. | 02:54:56 | |
What is it? It's just, you know, we're, you know, Cottonwood Lane, Holiday Blvd. Make a point. | 02:54:59 | |
This is further South Down Cottonwood Lane. | 02:55:05 | |
Is that right? Yeah, it's just north of me. | 02:55:08 | |
Lindsey McCarthy's part Ohh, I got you OK? | 02:55:11 | |
We would. | 02:55:17 | |
Also, pick up Stormwater on Heaven. That's Heaven Lane. | 02:55:19 | |
Yeah, that's the corner of heaven. That's where we're all the cows are. OK, Gotcha. Yeah. And this area has been of Protect | 02:55:23 | |
particularly problematic over several years. | 02:55:28 | |
I used to all be horse pasture and it was all. | 02:55:35 | |
Yeah. | 02:55:38 | |
Now that it gets developed and works, more impervious service and more room, yeah. | 02:55:39 | |
Yeah, so. | 02:55:45 | |
Much of this does run alongside that pasture. | 02:55:47 | |
Down Cotton Lane. | 02:55:51 | |
Does this. Does this? | 02:55:56 | |
Between. | 02:55:59 | |
This one and the one I'm sure you're going to show me. It's further east by Cottonwood Elementary. | 02:56:00 | |
Does this do anything to address those issues in terms of what's flowing down the irrigation ditches and? | 02:56:05 | |
This particular one doesn't, except for anything that would continue. | 02:56:13 | |
Well spent through Crystal Affleck's property. | 02:56:19 | |
OK, it doesn't address anything to the east. So now where did this use the drainage? Is this used to drain into the irrigation or | 02:56:23 | |
rerouting it? It all drains in through an irrigation. | 02:56:28 | |
And yes. | 02:56:34 | |
So reroute, undersized, flowing into irrigation. | 02:56:36 | |
Instead, the big cotton down to the Creek. | 02:56:39 | |
Yes, We're not screwing up anybody's water rights in the area. So our plan is that we completely separate irrigation from | 02:56:42 | |
stormwater. | 02:56:46 | |
Right now, any? | 02:56:52 | |
Thing that happens in that irrigation pipe. | 02:56:54 | |
All the fingers come pointing back to us. | 02:56:57 | |
What's the source of irrigation if not storm water? | 02:57:01 | |
Upper canal supplies. Stormwater. I mean supplies. The irrigation water. Water, yeah. | 02:57:06 | |
And then the upper canal is is sourced by. | 02:57:16 | |
Higher up on Big Cottonwood or some other water sources in the springtime Big Cottonwood and then after this flows reduce they. | 02:57:19 | |
Pump from. | 02:57:30 | |
Jordan River, the the Salt Lake City Canal. So there's a pump station over on 6200 S Just. | 02:57:31 | |
Next to the store, almost right. So we've been kind of borrowing for stormwater, they want to reroute back out of there. | 02:57:38 | |
Go right to the Creek. | 02:57:47 | |
Well, they run that. | 02:57:49 | |
What was your question? Well, so we're essentially getting out of draining into the irrigation, yes. | 02:57:53 | |
Exactly. Then there's a problem, they say. Yeah, the problem. | 02:57:58 | |
The irrigation system was never designed to convey the storm water. | 02:58:03 | |
The pipes are in. | 02:58:08 | |
Horrible condition. | 02:58:10 | |
We are flooding properties and. | 02:58:14 | |
That's. | 02:58:17 | |
You know, This is why we did our bonding to build projects, yeah, just want to understand where it was going that. | 02:58:18 | |
We had it going into the irrigation ditches, which was a bad decision at some point and now we're fixing that, yes, to go to the | 02:58:25 | |
cut one. | 02:58:29 | |
Yeah. | 02:58:32 | |
Any other questions about our Cottonwood Lane Storm Drain project? | 02:58:36 | |
OK. I'll move on to our Hilton. | 02:58:42 | |
Stronger project. | 02:58:46 | |
So we have. | 02:58:48 | |
A fair bit of storm drain on. | 02:58:51 | |
Highland Drive that. | 02:58:54 | |
Gets collected in catch basins. | 02:58:57 | |
And then piped into the irrigation lateral. | 02:59:00 | |
At the top. | 02:59:07 | |
Dead end portion of Hilton or our red circle is here. | 02:59:08 | |
And Jared, when you said Highland Drive, I think you meant Holiday Blvd. | 02:59:16 | |
So we we have this storm drain system that. | 02:59:22 | |
Drops into our irrigation. | 02:59:27 | |
System there. | 02:59:31 | |
At this red circle. | 02:59:33 | |
So as the irrigation system. | 02:59:37 | |
Gets routed parallel to Holiday Blvd. To the north. | 02:59:40 | |
And then kind of cuts around to the West. | 02:59:45 | |
That is running behind several people's private. | 02:59:48 | |
Property or, well, it runs through a lot of private. All of it runs through private property. | 02:59:52 | |
We cannot get in the necessary equipment. | 02:59:58 | |
There to properly maintain and again same story. | 03:00:01 | |
Um. | 03:00:05 | |
It. | 03:00:07 | |
Adds additional flow to the. | 03:00:09 | |
Irrigation system, that. | 03:00:12 | |
It doesn't have capacity for. | 03:00:14 | |
And. | 03:00:16 | |
We in that system is. | 03:00:18 | |
In very poor condition. | 03:00:23 | |
Is it going on this proposed one? As you get to the lower left of it, is that road there? | 03:00:26 | |
Covered up by trees? Or are you going through private property at lower left them? | 03:00:32 | |
As it comes downhills them. | 03:00:36 | |
Yes. So the we do have a road there and. | 03:00:39 | |
We come into a point at the very end of Hilton. | 03:00:43 | |
Where there's actually a concrete ramp. | 03:00:47 | |
Down into the bottom of Big Cottonwood Creek that Salt Lake County built. | 03:00:49 | |
Fact after the 83 and 84 floods. | 03:00:54 | |
And. | 03:00:58 | |
We would. | 03:01:00 | |
Outfall in. | 03:01:01 | |
To that ramp area. | 03:01:03 | |
So would this be a situation where I'm seeing where the existing storm drain is and then it? | 03:01:05 | |
It terminates at. | 03:01:11 | |
Hey, your irrigation ditch, right. So that is Lindsey McCarthy's heat. There's a head gate there that we would just cross. We're | 03:01:13 | |
not going to discharge into that ditch. We just on the plan here. There's that little green line. Is that where you're commenting | 03:01:19 | |
on? Well, I think. | 03:01:25 | |
This. | 03:01:32 | |
May be the problem. | 03:01:33 | |
With the McCarthy Galanis issue is. | 03:01:35 | |
The stormwater terminates where the ditch is, and that ends up so this would catch that storm water and dump it into the river | 03:01:38 | |
rather than let it go down. The escalation checklist currently where the red dot is, that's where it discharges that green lateral | 03:01:44 | |
ditch that goes through. | 03:01:51 | |
Lindsey McCarthy's property and the Glanis Pond. | 03:01:58 | |
And the Crystal Affleck, this would take that water down a storm pipe into the river, yes? So everything on High Holiday Blvd. | 03:02:01 | |
would then. | 03:02:06 | |
Not run into the irrigation. | 03:02:13 | |
And instead get routed down to the common trees. | 03:02:15 | |
Gotcha. | 03:02:19 | |
So again, another separation project, yeah. | 03:02:21 | |
Ohh Jared the the. | 03:02:27 | |
The massive flooding has been at the house. You already have two white dots. | 03:02:30 | |
Existing manholes. | 03:02:37 | |
The massive flooding has been to that house, just just to the left of that that. | 03:02:39 | |
Lower white dot right? | 03:02:44 | |
But I don't we're we're not doing any other kind of new construction to alleviate that problem or you know what I'm you know I'm | 03:02:47 | |
talking about where right where that little triangular piece of. | 03:02:52 | |
Of you know, there's that triangular piece that is between Hillston and Holiday Blvd. | 03:02:58 | |
And there's a house right across the street. | 03:03:05 | |
Where the the Lindsey house? Yeah, up up at the white. No, the white dot up at the. | 03:03:10 | |
Right there. | 03:03:15 | |
Yeah. | 03:03:16 | |
The very top. | 03:03:19 | |
Yeah, turn your turn. Your map a little bit. | 03:03:21 | |
It's a. | 03:03:25 | |
It's it's the it's the it's the manholes, the white manhole. | 03:03:28 | |
With the with the 2 orange inlets, right? Yeah, right there. That house right next to there. | 03:03:32 | |
That house is the one where we've had massive flooding, so is that the one we bought? | 03:03:38 | |
No, OK. No, no. | 03:03:42 | |
We. | 03:03:45 | |
So we we fixed that already, OK? | 03:03:46 | |
OK. | 03:03:51 | |
What you're saying about having a straight shutdown of the continent Creek makes a lot of sense down down the lower Hillston. | 03:03:54 | |
Yeah, and. | 03:04:01 | |
Again, like we had some really expensive. | 03:04:04 | |
Properties in there, Yeah, yeah, and. | 03:04:07 | |
That storm or that irrigation lateral, it could very easily. | 03:04:11 | |
Cause. | 03:04:18 | |
Huge damage, then we wash our hands of. | 03:04:20 | |
And if we can bypass that one runs behind, it's not our storm water. Eliminates huge risks, yeah. | 03:04:23 | |
It really does. | 03:04:32 | |
Umm. | 03:04:35 | |
So any other questions about the Hilton Storm drain project? | 03:04:38 | |
And then we'll move on to the. | 03:04:42 | |
Last stronger in project which is on Casco lane, which again is in the same area and again addresses similar problems. | 03:04:45 | |
Umm. | 03:04:57 | |
So this is. | 03:05:01 | |
We've been kind of working our bottom up. | 03:05:02 | |
So we have stormwater getting into pretty much the same lateral at three different locations I've shown you. | 03:05:06 | |
The previous two and then this is the last location which is on Castle Lane. | 03:05:15 | |
Where we don't have a curbed gutter system. | 03:05:20 | |
And everything that runs. | 03:05:23 | |
Into the shoulders and off of people's lots into that. | 03:05:27 | |
I mean off of the pavement area and off of people's lots. It goes into the shoulder, which then goes into. | 03:05:32 | |
Open. Ditch. | 03:05:38 | |
Along Castle Lane, which is that irrigation lateral? | 03:05:40 | |
We do have a few catch basins. | 03:05:43 | |
That discharge into that irrigation lateral as well. | 03:05:47 | |
So this project would be to tie. | 03:05:52 | |
Or to build a storm drain up castle lane to catch those catch basins. | 03:05:57 | |
And to also. | 03:06:04 | |
Either in close or build curb gutter. | 03:06:08 | |
In front of the. | 03:06:12 | |
Irrigation lateral so that our public stormwater doesn't get into the lateral. | 03:06:15 | |
So. | 03:06:22 | |
This would tie into an existing storm drain on Holiday Blvd. which was designed for this future project. | 03:06:23 | |
Where does that empty? | 03:06:32 | |
It actually continues all the way N to Murray Holiday Road and then it goes down Murray Holladay Rd. | 03:06:34 | |
To follow at that great Salt Lake County clears. | 03:06:41 | |
Ohh, just behind it. It's called. | 03:06:48 | |
The Neck Creek, right. OK. | 03:06:51 | |
Great. | 03:06:54 | |
Yeah. | 03:06:56 | |
That's the end discharge. | 03:06:57 | |
So Jerry, this is a pretty steep journey. | 03:07:00 | |
When you say you'd build curb and gutter, would you have? | 03:07:04 | |
Drains along that gutter, so to put it into the. | 03:07:07 | |
To the storm drain. | 03:07:11 | |
We want like, like we've we're building a storm drain system up. | 03:07:13 | |
She got half the length of cast down. | 03:07:18 | |
But yes, we would add catch basins at this point to collect. | 03:07:21 | |
Anything running down the curb gutter. | 03:07:26 | |
Our intent is to eliminate all storm water, public storm water from getting into the. | 03:07:29 | |
Irrigation minerals. | 03:07:36 | |
There very well could be. | 03:07:38 | |
Private stormwater coming off of lots that could enter into the irrigation system. | 03:07:41 | |
But. | 03:07:48 | |
My. | 03:07:50 | |
Our opinion is that that's. | 03:07:51 | |
For the irrigation company. | 03:07:54 | |
Address and handle because it's not public stormwater. | 03:07:56 | |
Thank you. | 03:08:01 | |
Full full curb and then gutter or just gutter. | 03:08:06 | |
When I said I mean like my street, yes. So some portions of caso does have curbing gutter, some portions the irrigation pipe is | 03:08:12 | |
buried. | 03:08:17 | |
So we are looking at the sections where it's open that stormwater could get into. | 03:08:23 | |
That we would either bury. | 03:08:30 | |
The open portion or we would put curb gutter in front of it. | 03:08:33 | |
So I don't have all the details as to which section where and have that. | 03:08:38 | |
Yeah. | 03:08:44 | |
So that's our last storm drain project in addition to that we do have. | 03:08:48 | |
Uh, we are. | 03:08:55 | |
Looking at all of the storm drain videos that we've done and we're focusing on our Canyon Cove area for resigning or not resigning | 03:08:57 | |
but rehabilitating. | 03:09:03 | |
A lot of it. | 03:09:09 | |
Metal pipes up there also. | 03:09:12 | |
Other types as a lot of wallas go. | 03:09:15 | |
To Hola. | 03:09:18 | |
We who are. | 03:09:20 | |
Some other Hawaiian streets. | 03:09:22 | |
But. | 03:09:27 | |
Here's our cost estimates for the project. You could. | 03:09:29 | |
Take a look at him. I'm not going to read out the numbers, but. | 03:09:33 | |
The total for the storm bearing projects is really about 5 million. | 03:09:37 | |
Um, we're looking at another 1.5 million for lining and rehabilitation. | 03:09:42 | |
Which would give us a total of about. | 03:09:50 | |
Six and a half million dollars for these projects that we. | 03:09:52 | |
Will be constructing over the next 18 months. | 03:09:57 | |
And these are all paid for. | 03:10:00 | |
With our bond funds, yes. | 03:10:02 | |
And their point wasn't upon 10 million. | 03:10:05 | |
Yes, so is the. | 03:10:08 | |
So we still have. | 03:10:11 | |
Or are we still gonna have 3 million? | 03:10:13 | |
Of bonding capacity. | 03:10:15 | |
Left for projects. | 03:10:18 | |
Down the road, I think we are spending 1,000,000 on the. | 03:10:20 | |
Holiday Blvd. property that we purchased, yeah. | 03:10:25 | |
Can it be bonds or is that? | 03:10:30 | |
Start using ARPA. OK, so we do have. These are our main projects. Some of our other projects do include storm drain cleaning and | 03:10:33 | |
mapping and. | 03:10:39 | |
For gutter replacement and waterway replacement, which we've been working on those. | 03:10:47 | |
In addition to a few other. | 03:10:54 | |
Several other small projects. | 03:10:56 | |
We've. | 03:10:59 | |
Actually. | 03:11:00 | |
Already built, probably 10 small drain systems to mitigate small areas. | 03:11:02 | |
Umm. | 03:11:10 | |
But these are. | 03:11:11 | |
Uh, the big areas that we've been. | 03:11:13 | |
Planning for the last year. I'm trying to remember Gina because. | 03:11:15 | |
I mean the storm drain piece, there was a a infrastructure need. | 03:11:20 | |
But then there's an ongoing maintenance need. | 03:11:25 | |
And. | 03:11:28 | |
I'm trying to remember that the gap or the delta between. | 03:11:31 | |
What what our revenue is and the bond payment then what's going to we're going to have leftover for ongoing maintenance. So I | 03:11:35 | |
think our original plan which we should probably revisit was to kind of escalate our stormwater payment over time to close that | 03:11:43 | |
gap because bond bond. | 03:11:51 | |
Sources or one time revenue and we shouldn't really plan on that for ongoing maintenance costs? | 03:12:00 | |
Um, maybe that's something we could schedule in November, just to revisit that, Yeah. Or budget season. But you, you were paying. | 03:12:07 | |
You're kind of reading my mind there that. | 03:12:12 | |
You know. | 03:12:19 | |
I think just to. | 03:12:20 | |
Put it out in front of the Council that. | 03:12:22 | |
We're putting in this these nice improvements which are needed, but the reason we got into this situation is. | 03:12:25 | |
Not enough investment, just ongoing maintenance that we need to commit to two. | 03:12:32 | |
And how much revenue is? | 03:12:37 | |
Our stormwater peak going to bring in how much is bond payment going to be But. | 03:12:40 | |
You know, I think what Sheena is referring to is when we went through our whole process with the. | 03:12:45 | |
Citizen Advisory Group and. | 03:12:51 | |
Lewis. Roberts. Young it was. | 03:12:54 | |
I think on the residential end. | 03:12:56 | |
We were putting, I think we're we were. | 03:12:58 | |
At a $6.50 ER U or something like that for residential. | 03:13:01 | |
But the recommendation was. | 03:13:06 | |
As I recall three or four or five years down the road or whatever it was that we needed to bump that to like 950 for that very | 03:13:08 | |
reason if that we need to make sure we're also raising. | 03:13:13 | |
Ongoing revenue to maintain our storm. And so that's going to be something that council's going to have to think about. | 03:13:19 | |
Um, that that. | 03:13:27 | |
That's kind of coming up that. | 03:13:29 | |
We're going to have to address that issue of. | 03:13:31 | |
Do we want to raise that stormwater fee to make sure we have enough ongoing revenue in that enterprise fund? | 03:13:34 | |
To properly maintain what we have. | 03:13:41 | |
So, but I think it'll be. | 03:13:45 | |
It's great if we want to review, but I think that'll be a budget discussion, right, that we're going to have to have this year and | 03:13:47 | |
do when do we want to remember, remember we said we were going to do this, not just the storm water, but also not waiting 20 | 03:13:52 | |
years, Yeah. | 03:13:56 | |
Yeah, yeah. And take it in smaller chunks. | 03:14:02 | |
Again, look at that calendar too. Yeah. Or gets away from us, Yeah. | 03:14:05 | |
It's the cost of doing business in in living and maintaining. | 03:14:10 | |
What we've got in holiday really, I mean. | 03:14:13 | |
We don't want to pass along what we inherited to a council. | 03:14:17 | |
10 years down the road. | 03:14:22 | |
Right. | 03:14:24 | |
OK. | 03:14:26 | |
Thank you. | 03:14:28 | |
Thanks Jared and thanks Joe. I guess Joe working on this. | 03:14:31 | |
This Joe's baby. | 03:14:34 | |
Kinda. | 03:14:36 | |
Not yet. | 03:14:39 | |
He has surprised him. | 03:14:41 | |
All right. | 03:14:45 | |
OK. I think everybody can see what's on the calendar. | 03:14:47 | |
Any. | 03:14:52 | |
Questions about the upcoming calendar or comments? | 03:14:53 | |
I Todd lapse, I'm assuming we don't have closed session. | 03:15:00 | |
All right. | 03:15:03 | |
Mr. Mayor. And will we adjourn second? All in favor? Aye, Aye, We are adjourned. Thank you. Thanks, Jared. Thanks, John. Thanks. | 03:15:05 |