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That. 00:00:00
It's a tough issue because it's a public road, right? 00:00:00
And. 00:00:03
The bikers want to be able to navigate that stretch safely as well. Yeah, And there are a lot of them, yeah. And to me it makes 00:00:04
more sense to have them on the east side of the street. 00:00:09
The the the West is very, very narrow. The the the bike lane is right against the, you know, landscaping. 00:00:13
But on the east side there is a very, very, very wide shoulder. 00:00:21
And so so. 00:00:25
I don't know I but I think that's a great approach. I like it. I like that though to to. 00:00:29
Before we just start, before we yank them out, let's. 00:00:34
Also, I'm getting comfortable with. 00:00:37
Having a. 00:00:40
It matters here, but not there when it comes to no parking. 00:00:41
And having citizens have to figure out where no parking signs matter and where they don't matter. 00:00:45
Yeah. 00:00:51
Well, I'll, I'll, I'll give it. I'll give a careful response to the to the resident and we'll take from there. 00:00:54
I just had one other one other point to raise again. We talked about this last meeting and I've had, I've had further interaction 00:01:00
with residents up in Canyon Cove about Gun Club Road and. 00:01:05
And I know that. I know that Todd is Todd's office is doing some research on that and. 00:01:11
That may be subject to the future work session or something, but anyway, just. 00:01:18
Just note that there's continuing concern about the the trucks there and. 00:01:23
And I for one would be really interested in. 00:01:28
In exploring, is there an Ave. to dedicate? 00:01:32
Or a strip of. 00:01:37
Ground on the West on the South side of Gun Club Rd. similar to what we did with Memory Lane. 00:01:39
In 1999 slash 2000, where we in perpetuity limited commercial access to the mall property from Memory Lane. 00:01:45
And there could be historic easements and. 00:01:55
In the fact that it's a gravel pit. I mean the gravel pit law and and you know Todd knows way more than I do but the gravel pit 00:02:00
law as. 00:02:04
As developed over the last century plus. 00:02:09
Is so positive toward the owners of gravel pits that there could be other issues, but it may not be as simple as what happened 00:02:13
with memory lane. But anyway, I just think it's really, really worth worth seeing if we can preserve something, you know, put 00:02:18
something in place now. 00:02:23
To give the residents of Canyon called some kind of relief from. 00:02:29
And especially as that property may be developed over the next decade or so would be, this would be a good time to review it so 00:02:33
anyway. 00:02:36
I'm not really asking Todd for you know, for for a trigger hair trigger opinion or anything now, but just. 00:02:40
Note that we have continued residents concerned about it and look forward to having that discussion. 00:02:47
You know, as it unfolds and so you know we're. 00:02:54
I think within a week or two of being able to give an opinion there are some facts we need to confirm. 00:02:57
At the boundary of the city. 00:03:02
And where that's located that we're looking into now? 00:03:04
But. 00:03:07
We'll be back to talk to the council soon. Perfect. Thanks. 00:03:07
Right, that's all I've got. 00:03:11
OK, thank you. Just a couple of things, you know Ben Bennett made comment about the skate park and just to let the. 00:03:14
The Council know. 00:03:22
This is an issue that that we're fully engaged on. The Chief has been fully engaged with it as well as Gina. 00:03:24
We've got some. 00:03:32
Initiatives we're pursuing to try to. 00:03:35
Ideas were tossing around and and trying to figure out what policies we can put in place to make sure that. 00:03:39
The skate park. 00:03:46
Remains a healthy environment for the community at large. 00:03:48
And we'll I think give you maybe some more updates as as that. 00:03:52
Clarifies a little bit, I guess. 00:03:56
Along those same lines, the TRCC board today. 00:03:59
Did approve the application from holiday. It was $120,000. 00:04:03
Ask with the 30,000 match. 00:04:10
Which we've already raised the funds for. 00:04:13
I believe, well, we might be a few dollars short, but we're pretty much there. 00:04:16
With the Arts Council. 00:04:20
Foundation donation. 00:04:23
And. 00:04:25
And a pretty large donation we've already received from a resident to match those funds. So the city in essence. 00:04:26
This will be our first kind of. 00:04:33
Shot at this private public initiative to to try to use some private funding. 00:04:35
Resources to help. 00:04:42
Bring amenities in that may not justify a full use of taxpayer dollars. So. 00:04:44
The match that we're required to provide as part of the TCC TRC grant, the 30,000 at this point. 00:04:50
Is. 00:04:57
Is a fully donated. 00:04:58
Piece, so there would be no money coming from holiday taxpayer? 00:05:00
Coffers at this point. 00:05:03
So just as a reminder to that would be to light the skate park and it would be to replace the. 00:05:05
Fiberglass. 00:05:11
Pillars. 00:05:12
With a stone that kind of matches, I think that the bleachers. 00:05:14
Yeah. So anyway, that was approved today. It's still got to go to the County Council for its blessing, but. 00:05:18
I have never seen the County Council not approve what the TRC board has recommended so. 00:05:25
Kudos to all that were involved in. 00:05:31
Coming up with that grant applet or the application through GRCC and. 00:05:34
Off we go on another. 00:05:39
Opportunity through that fund. 00:05:41
So. 00:05:44
I think that's all I have. I don't know, Stephanie. I'll do we want us to move across? It's up to you. 00:05:47
What's easiest? 00:05:58
I don't see any of these taking a tremendous amount of time to you, Gina, or any of them Easier to handle across the hall. 00:06:05
Then let's just stay here. 00:06:14
I'm just making the call. 00:06:16
So we still need a motion to recess and recess to work meeting and then we'll go right into the City Hall remodel as the first 00:06:18
item And Mr. Mayor, I move that we adjourn City Council or recess City Council and. 00:06:23
And reassemble in a work meeting second. 00:06:30
Motion is second. All in favor, say aye, Aye, aye. 00:06:33
Any opposed? 00:06:38
I didn't think so. 00:06:40
We are officially ready. We are recessed to a work meeting and unless somebody needs a break, we will go right to discussion on 00:06:41
the City Hall remodel. 00:06:46
OK, right. And I think I see Dwight. 00:06:52
Who's just arriving? 00:06:56
Good evening everyone. 00:07:12
So it looks like. 00:07:17
What I'll kind of do is revisit the kind of decision tree that we presented. 00:07:19
Maybe a month ago. 00:07:27
In terms of thinking about. 00:07:29
Kind of how the seismic retrofits may kind of. 00:07:30
I'll relate to how you're thinking about the kind of space planning. 00:07:34
I did have a kind of discussion with. 00:07:38
Jared, about scoping and how we might think about moving forward for you. 00:07:40
So. 00:07:44
In terms of the decision tree that we had kind of proposed to you as a recommendation. 00:07:46
Is really thinking about the level of the seismic upgrade, level one being life safety? 00:07:50
Level 2 being that moving beyond life safety that you would actually be able to. 00:07:55
Most likely repair the building and then reuse it. 00:08:00
And Level 3 would be that the building would be almost immediately usable after a large seismic event. 00:08:04
The with that, once you have a kind of idea of where you think. 00:08:11
The seismic upgrade is kind of the value of the seismic upgrade in Level 2. 00:08:17
To kind of your organization then that kind of sets the kind of decisions for them, what can be done relative to the renovations 00:08:22
and how the seismic can be executed. So Level 1 as a reminder based upon the structural engineers report would be there's a couple 00:08:29
of different components. The first component would be. 00:08:36
Basically anchoring the roof to the exterior walls. 00:08:44
It's a connection that's done from the top. Basically. They would have to cut about 3 feet. 00:08:48
At the perimeter of all the exterior walls from the roof. 00:08:53
And then create connections that tie the the kind of the the roof joists to the wall. 00:08:56
The second part of this kind of level 1 intervention is over the administrative wing there, wood trusses. 00:09:03
That needs to be reinforced so they actually have to go in and then do reinforcing in the web. 00:09:12
Of the. 00:09:17
Of the joists, but that can also be done through the roof. 00:09:19
The final Level 1 renovation would be in this particular area actually just. 00:09:22
South of this room but. 00:09:31
Yes, actually, sorry, just north of this room towards the planning area, there's a series of concrete trusses that run across the 00:09:34
building, so it switches materials. 00:09:38
For that, the structural engineer is recommending that. 00:09:43
There needs to be some seismic upgrades to the interior masonry walls that then are tied to the roof. 00:09:45
And so in that particular project we were able to discuss with them. 00:09:52
Recently about a couple of options about how that can be done. 00:09:57
And so basically what we're now thinking is that instead of having to actually. 00:10:01
Deconstruct and then reconstruct the interior masonry wall. 00:10:07
We think we can actually just add one more layer of CMU that would be tied to the existing. 00:10:11
Wall and then actually reinforce in that way. 00:10:18
And so basically with that, it would be tied to renovations to either side, both the planning or the opposite side? 00:10:21
So that we we can probably make up that 8 inches without having to have as major or reconstruction. 00:10:28
So in that level one scenario, those are the three components. 00:10:35
The nice thing is, is the roof. 00:10:39
Portion could be done. 00:10:42
Pretty much at any time. 00:10:43
So that could be that could be separated from any of the potential interior work or the space planning work that can be done. 00:10:46
The wall reconstruction would want to be tied to the renovations that happen, particularly to the planning department because it 00:10:53
will impact some of that space. 00:10:58
Level 2. 00:11:04
To move to level 2 would be a full reconstruction of all the interior walls. In talking with the structural engineer, his 00:11:06
recommendation is it's probably not worth the cost. 00:11:10
Because once you do that, you are going to impact pretty much every single interior space in the entire building. 00:11:15
And so when we were doing space planning, we were being very focused on what things would need to be renovated and we were also 00:11:20
showing the ways of phasing that over time. 00:11:24
And so if you move to Level 2, those things will need to be coupled together, whereas in the level one, we can look at ways we can 00:11:28
phase the renovations and keep them as almost discrete projects. And as I recall, it was also a. 00:11:36
A crapshoot with regard to exactly the level level bang for our buck for percentage calculation of whether or not we're going to 00:11:43
survive it. Yeah, absolutely. Even with the Level 2, there is no guarantee that with all that investment, the building itself 00:11:49
would actually be usable. Afterwards, we're back up to one of the level one points you made. I'm not a construction guy, so I'm 00:11:54
going to ask some dumb questions for her. 00:12:00
You're talking about you're tying the roof to the exterior walls. Yep. For you know, collapse prevention is because the most times 00:12:07
that the roof falls off the walls or something, right? But what is the nature of our exterior walls that keeps the exterior walls 00:12:14
from being part of the collapse problem? So right now the biggest thing is that because they're unconnected, right, the basically 00:12:21
the roof is unbraced. And so actually it works kind of two ways. 00:12:29
Once you connect it, the wall braces the roof so that that stiffens it and so there's less movement, right? Gotcha. And so it 00:12:36
works in two ways. One is that with less roof movement, there's less pressure on the wall that would then cause a masonry to 00:12:42
collapse actually, right? And then the other thing is, is that with the wall being braced because it's not as moving as much, it 00:12:48
won't collapse and then the roof will fall down. 00:12:53
So that's why they're recommending that connection. 00:12:59
So that bracing basically makes that thing kind of move together rather than against each other. 00:13:03
Gotcha. 00:13:10
OK, yeah, you said. 00:13:11
You'd have to take. 00:13:13
This. 00:13:15
Top three feet of the wall to do this, sorry not to top through three from the wall. Edge 3 feet of the roof. 00:13:15
Ohh, OK, so so you wouldn't be destroying the exterior walls with those. We don't have to touch the exterior walls at all. Ohh 00:13:22
good. OK, we'll have to be. 00:13:26
Partially redone. Thank you. I misunderstood. Sorry, yeah. 00:13:30
Other questions? 00:13:35
So what we discussed basically in I've discussed with Jared is our kind of approaches after looking at these things and having a 00:13:38
more in depth discussion with the structural engineer. 00:13:44
Is you know, our recommendation would be is really to explore the level 1. 00:13:50
Because that will give you life safety. 00:13:54
And then we can also do it as kind of more discrete projects. 00:13:57
What we're thinking, what what Jared has asked me to do, is put together a proposal. 00:14:01
To. 00:14:06
Bringing the drawings of basically the seismic working with structural to get enough information. 00:14:07
To have that be able to go out to a cost estimator. 00:14:13
As well as because the level one would include the upgrades of the walls around the planning department. 00:14:16
Which would be impacted. We would do bring the architecture for just a planning department renovations up to a schematic design 00:14:23
level. So that could be priced as well. 00:14:27
So we're going to get engage. 00:14:31
We in our proposal will engage mechanical, electrical and plumbing contractor. 00:14:33
To. 00:14:38
Provide kind of a guidance for how because we're showing. 00:14:39
Potential phasing options as well as trying to when we do the renovations for the walls. 00:14:43
To be able to keep you guys in this building while those renovations occur. 00:14:49
We do need the MEP to advise on how we might have to manipulate the MEP so that we don't have air pollution and contamination, as 00:14:53
well as how we do the kind of phasing. 00:14:57
But we will be putting it together proposal so that. 00:15:02
We could then bring these drawings up to a level that then we can engage a cost estimator to give you more real time costs. 00:15:06
For just these kind of specific, but that would be. 00:15:13
That would be a separate discussion from how we execute it. Yeah, that we'll talk about exactly, but what we what right now we do 00:15:17
now that we can understand. Well, first of all, you know, realistically having gone through all these exercises, we're saying 00:15:22
probably the best. Our recommendation is the best bang for your buck is to really look at level 1. 00:15:28
But then we can also look at these as how it could be executed as projects, but then giving you a number that's more real so that 00:15:34
you guys can then talk about. 00:15:38
How as an organization you feel you can execute that? Yeah, I mean. 00:15:43
Kind of what I'm hearing is. 00:15:46
Or what I'm seeing even with level 2 is. 00:15:48
There's a big difference between. 00:15:53
Seismically stabilizing the structure to protect the. 00:15:55
The health and well-being of employees. 00:16:00
And protecting the structure to where it's habitable after an earthquake, Yeah. And if you're going to do that. 00:16:02
It's almost like you might as well tear the building down and build a new one. Well, and two, yeah, because base basically, at 00:16:10
least to get to the point where the building could be habitable after a major systemic event. 00:16:15
The intrusions that would have to happen to the entire building means most likely every single part of the building interior wise 00:16:20
would have would be touched in some way. So effectively you're gutting the building, yeah, to do that work right? 00:16:27
Kind of. 00:17:04
Modifications to the existing building to make it work. 00:17:06
So. 00:17:09
This would, this is basically saying we're in agreement that we're just going to pursue a level 1 seismic and and. 00:17:10
Turn you and whoever else loose on coming up with the plans that will allow us to get more. 00:17:20
Accurate bids on what that actual cost would be and the numbers. So that you can, yeah, as an organization really sit there and 00:17:27
look at the numbers and say, well, how could this be executed then? 00:17:32
I didn't feel like we could really responsibly spend that delta. 00:17:38
To get to a level 2 when. 00:17:42
The. 00:17:44
Level 2 outcome is. 00:17:45
Yeah, yeah. 00:17:47
Exactly, yeah. It doesn't even guarantee it. And. 00:17:49
It takes. 00:17:52
I I can't remember what the numbers are, but it was. 00:17:54
Taking the numbers from 5 million to 11,000,000, yeah, it's and then you're starting to get into. 00:17:57
Well. 00:18:04
At that price and then and then the. 00:18:05
Disruption to staff you start to. 00:18:07
Enter into this cost range where you have to ask yourself whether this is worth right. 00:18:10
You know, if we can do it for five or six or seven or 8 million and we can get 20 more years out of the building, we're probably 00:18:17
kind of done at that point anyway, right? And you just run the risk of. 00:18:22
If something happens. 00:18:27
We're going to be able to. 00:18:30
Protect the the health and well-being of employees. But there's a chance we're going to take that. We're going to have to. 00:18:31
Move to another place to operate. I mean, this is a dear old building, but it's not exactly Mount Vernon. You know what I mean? 00:18:38
So. 00:18:42
So I mean it it it can easily be replicated in a really nice structure and. 00:18:46
And the delta could be spent on, I don't know if there's earthquake insurance that could. Yeah, we were getting, so yeah. 00:18:52
That seems like the best way, Mayor. I agree with you. 00:19:01
I. 00:19:03
So yeah, I mean, if the ask is. 00:19:04
We want to spend some money to to get this out, to get more accurate numbers, I'd say yes. 00:19:07
OK. 00:19:12
If the Council is comfortable with that, then that's the way we'll proceed and then you'll see, we'll work on a cost estimate for 00:19:14
the cost estimate and that will be in your budget amendment that I would expect you to see in November. 00:19:20
And then once we get that. 00:19:27
Then I think the next step would be. 00:19:29
We can look at the cost and then we can talk about. 00:19:32
How we actually execute it which will be a whole nother. 00:19:35
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whole another discussion. But yeah, and like I said, I think what, what, what at least with the Level 1, the 00:19:40
nice thing about that is that there is. 00:19:44
Much more flexibility in how it can be executed, right? It doesn't have to be done all at once, whereas once you start moving to 00:19:49
level 2, you're starting to look at like. 00:19:53
Major parts of the building having to be done at once and major disruption, yeah. 00:19:57
OK. 00:20:02
Awesome. 00:20:03
Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Have a good evening. Dwayne. I thought you were gonna bring us some buns. 00:20:04
All right. 00:20:11
I don't know if you all saw Dwight is also a part owner in a a new small business. 00:20:13
It involves bones. It involves buns. 00:20:21
Really. 00:20:24
OK. 00:20:29
Crit Race Special event scheduling. 00:20:31
OK. If I space Ohh, yes, we're absolutely. 00:20:36
In our work session portion. 00:20:40
And so you'll remember last year, two years ago, we had a crit race. 00:20:42
That kind of surrounded this. 00:20:50
Building along Holiday Blvd. In 20-30 East. 00:20:54
That event was on a Sunday and it was it was problematic for some of our residents. 00:20:58
The crit race came to us last year and proposed moving that to a Saturday, which conflicted with our concert series. And so the 00:21:04
priority I heard from the council at the time was that we wanted to limit kind of invasive. 00:21:12
It. 00:21:22
Events that close require Rd. closures to three annually. 00:21:23
And that we were to prioritize our own events versus other events. 00:21:28
So the organizers have approached us again and would like to reengage conversations again looking at a Saturday. 00:21:36
But this time switching from the third Saturday of July to the first Saturday of July. 00:21:47
And there, which in some years could conflict with our 4th of July celebration. 00:21:56
In addition to our concerts. 00:22:03
They are hoping that we might be open to the idea of. 00:22:05
Maybe some programming with our concert series that might be more appropriate for a race? 00:22:12
Kind of event so not. 00:22:19
Not our singer-songwriter types, but maybe our cover band that might be fun for the race. 00:22:22
Um. 00:22:29
Their argument is that the racers bring economic activity to the village and that that is a benefit that we should be looking. 00:22:32
So Councilman Brewer and I met with the organizers. 00:22:42
I will say I I asked whether. 00:22:48
There was any significant change from what the Council had, the the concerns you had raised more than a year ago? 00:22:51
There were really none identified in terms of changes, but I agreed that I would bring this issue to you and see whether you're 00:23:01
open to it. 00:23:05
And whether in involving? 00:23:11
Like going a different direction with our concert on that one Saturday? It might be appealing. 00:23:15
Go ahead. I'm, I'm, I'm don't object at all to the race. I think it's a would be fun and cool. 00:23:24
But. 00:23:32
I also do not want it messing with. 00:23:33
Are the raging success of our summer concert series now, if the race is going to happen on the same day as a concert, and it can 00:23:36
be done in a way that doesn't. 00:23:40
Mess up. 00:23:46
The execution of the concert, and I think that probably could be done. I'm not the right person to really ask, but I know that. 00:23:48
You know the. 00:23:54
There's some setup that happens before the bulk of the Arts Council gets there to set up a table and chairs and. 00:23:56
And so. 00:24:03
You know the shell and Kathy Murphy would have the best input with regard to. 00:24:05
You know the the the requirements for the concerts during the day, during the time where the crit race would happen. I also have 00:24:11
no idea with regard to the crit races requirements for time of race and closing up shop and. 00:24:18
And how long you need to stay out of their way. 00:24:25
But I mean, if we can. 00:24:29
I'd hope we could maybe get this going without having to conflict with the concerts. 00:24:32
But I. 00:24:36
The concert series is such a raging success. 00:24:37
I wouldn't want to step on bat. 00:24:42
Uh. 00:24:44
To to step on something that's proven known positive. 00:24:45
Gets high thumbs ups from our community and put that at risk relative to something that. 00:24:49
Doesn't have that same feedback, yet it possibly could. 00:24:55
But um. 00:25:01
At this point it. 00:25:03
That's yet to be proven, but I think I'd I'd like I'd be OK with. 00:25:05
Seeing how it works, I mean, I think let's figure out if we actually do have a conflict before we assume there is. 00:25:10
Are they looking at an annual every year on the 1st Saturday in July? That's right. And then just in terms of time, so I'm sorry I 00:25:16
didn't say this, it's all day kind of ending around 9:00 PM. 00:25:23
Ohh yeah, 9:00 PM then. Definitely nukes a concert. Unless. 00:25:30
I mean less. It's a cover band. So what we've heard is that sometimes that happens frequently that there is concerts along with 00:25:35
the race and there is. 00:25:41
You know. 00:25:48
One feeds the other, right? 00:25:50
Well, I think it's worth a discussion. 00:25:52
Like I said, I think it's an exciting, it's a potentially exciting event. 00:25:57
Yeah, I'd say maybe OK, I'm not a thumbs down on it. I just want to be protective of. 00:26:04
Of that which we know is awesome already. 00:26:11
So the two priorities remain the same in terms of no more than three big events. 00:26:13
That close our streets and no conflict with our own events, Is that right? See. No reason to change that, OK? 00:26:21
Was what was the thinking on the moving from Sunday to Saturday and was that our idea, their idea and how does it affect? 00:26:29
Conflicts. It's was their idea. So the Sunday there, the races is held in two different venues on Saturday and Sunday. We were a 00:26:38
Sunday, the Sunday piece a couple of years ago and the difficulty with that was church access. 00:26:47
The charity was. 00:26:57
They were unable to to solve that issue and so in in recognition that that is. 00:26:59
That you know you can't reschedule church. They are proposing Sugar House Park on Sunday and Holiday on Saturday. 00:27:06
You know. 00:27:18
I would have a lot of concerns about this. 00:27:19
One would be. 00:27:22
Moving it from Sunday, that seems like a really minor problem to solve the church back here. 00:27:25
As opposed to. 00:27:32
What kind of problems are we going to generate on a Saturday? 00:27:34
Where it all along this route you're going to have people moving to all sorts of their Saturday activities. 00:27:39
To include activities here at the park and our own playground and our skate park and our pickleball courts And how's that access 00:27:46
going to work and. 00:27:50
Plus this is the a traffic crossroads for the whole part. Yeah. And so I have and it's an all day event, so. 00:27:55
We just had a massive event. 00:28:03
On Saturday and September, with the marathon and half marathon that was. 00:28:05
You know, logistically. 00:28:10
You know. 00:28:13
Taxing. 00:28:14
And it went from 6:00 AM to essentially what chief about noon one and then it was over. We were talking about an all day event. 00:28:15
That I'm not convinced. Somebody's going to have to convince me, tell me what the benefit is to the city of holiday, because I'm 00:28:25
not sold that there's really I see where there's benefit to the people doing the crit race. 00:28:31
But. 00:28:38
Do we think it's going to really benefit? 00:28:39
The City of Holiday. 00:28:42
We were sold that the marathon and half marathon would be a huge benefit to the city. I haven't heard any. 00:28:44
Anything to corroborate that? I don't know if you have China in terms of businesses saying, wow, that was. 00:28:51
Great for business and I think this is going to be an all day event. 00:28:57
With. 00:29:02
Road closures. 00:29:03
That I see. 00:29:05
Really. You know I'm. I'm also with you on the concert. But I'm also like what about sports on the field? What about pickleball? 00:29:09
What about skate park? What about the playground? What about access to the village and? 00:29:15
I don't see the benefit to this. For me, I see a lot of headache. 00:29:22
So I'm not. 00:29:26
Down to use one of our three. 00:29:29
Road closure events for the crit race unless. 00:29:31
You or somebody else in the city says this is going to be awesome for the city holiday. 00:29:35
Businesses. 00:29:40
So I'm not a. 00:29:42
I'm going to have to be sold on this one. 00:29:43
I remember going to the 1-2 years ago. 00:29:46
And I think. 00:29:50
The difference between the marathon and the crit race is the crit is just right here. 00:29:51
And there were people. 00:29:57
Lining the streets, Lining the sidewalks around here. 00:29:59
I think since it's more concentrated, the businesses in the village were definitely getting a lot more. 00:30:03
A lot more business. 00:30:09
I don't know how far out it it would spread. 00:30:11
But the business is right. 00:30:14
You know, along the stretch, along the route we're definitely getting. 00:30:16
Getting businesses. I think it's a really fun event. I was. I enjoyed it thoroughly. 00:30:21
And. 00:30:28
My question is why can't we? 00:30:29
Is there a possibility to consider the last Saturday in June rather than the first Saturday in July? 00:30:33
So I asked about that as well. I guess there's a national schedule that we're trying to OK into. 00:30:40
I'm a little bit confused as to what is **** music. I mean not. 00:30:48
And yeah, why does? Why do they think the cover band match is better than? 00:30:55
Other concerts, yeah, I think. And the cover band is just one illustration. I think they were just thinking louder music. 00:30:59
Ohh wonderful. That might be more appropriate for because they're. 00:31:09
The crit race does. It is kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So does it go, I mean, I don't understanding it right. Does it go the race 00:31:14
keep going into the evening so. 00:31:20
I It sounds like there are different categories, so individual races like you'll have. 00:31:27
You know, women, certain age group. 00:31:35
Certain length and there when I was there, I remember I was here for several hours and. 00:31:39
There were probably 3-4 or five different races during that period of time. 00:31:45
So. 00:31:50
Yeah, it's. 00:31:53
I don't know. I I think it's fun. I I'm I'm for it. 00:31:55
Well, so then maybe we would have to get more. 00:32:01
We'd have to get in more detail about how the the day would actually function in terms of where the race goes and. 00:32:05
How that would work? So can we do a concert if we're going to have a racers going around that? 00:32:12
8:00 at night. 00:32:17
Well, let's first see. 00:32:19
What years are going to be affected because maybe we. 00:32:22
You know we have July 4th. No, I mean we can't have them mess up our July 4th. They're going to raises on July 4th. July 4th is on 00:32:26
a Saturday. Too bad. So sad. 00:32:31
Well, it's Thursday. July 4th is on Thursday, right? I mean, we're talking about every year, right? Yeah. 00:32:36
And generally our first concert is the first Saturday after 4th of July. 00:32:42
But sometimes that first Saturday is going to be before 4th of July. 00:32:49
And. 00:32:55
I can certainly talk to the Arts Council. We're talking about scheduling our. 00:32:56
8 concerts plus 4th of July if we. 00:33:00
Move it a week or or integrate. 00:33:04
I think it's worth a discussion, but assuming we we get over the. 00:33:08
The hump of. 00:33:13
Even wanting to close down the. 00:33:14
City Center for the day, for the current race. I mean, that's the first hurdle, but. 00:33:16
I think. 00:33:22
I'm not. I I wouldn't shut it. I wouldn't speak for the Arts Councils. They were just going to shut it down and say no way go 00:33:23
away. 00:33:25
But. 00:33:29
I just want to make sure that overall we're protecting. 00:33:31
Something that's already a big hit, sure. 00:33:34
Just just a thought. It might it might make sense to have our new. 00:33:37
Arts and culture. 00:33:43
Designee weigh in on this. 00:33:45
I mean, this is a pretty big decision and. 00:33:47
I don't know if there's a timeline on on giving them an answer, but it might be nice to have that have that person weigh in. 00:33:51
I mean, it sounds like we have a range of opinions, but other than the mayor? 00:33:59
It sounds like I'm getting direction to to proceed with some conversations and see if we could. 00:34:06
If there is a way it could work. 00:34:13
Is that? Am I hearing that correctly? 00:34:18
Rescheduling standpoint, we could still do. 00:34:23
4th of July and eight concerts and still end in August because August 31st is you have 5 Saturdays in August, is that going to be? 00:34:26
Only raise it the 2nd. That's the this. 00:34:34
This year, this year, it's not always going to be like that. 00:34:38
I mean, I. 00:34:41
Personally, I don't mind having a conversation about it, but I think there are. 00:34:43
Some significant questions. 00:34:46
OK. 00:34:49
All right. Well, if that's the case, we'll we'll. 00:34:51
Explore it a bit and see if we can land and see where we land. I'll have. 00:34:54
We'll have a similar conversation with the Arts Council and then have our new Arts and Culture manager weigh in as well. 00:35:02
Alright, thank you. 00:35:13
Right on Labor Day weekend. 00:35:15
31st would be Labor Day. Labor Day weekend, Yeah, that's what When you do Blue Moon, it's the week before, so it would be the week 00:35:17
before. She'd have seven. So yeah, sorry, Tina, we were just. 00:35:22
Talking about. 00:35:27
If you aren't, we're going to go forward with it. One option would be to. 00:35:29
Not start your Saturday concerts until the week after the 4th. Not the 6th, but the 13th. 00:35:32
But then it takes us to the 31st, which is Labor Day weekend, which is not one to do Blue Moon. So you do 7 concerts, not eight. 00:35:38
Yeah, well, you do 8. You'd have two on Bloom and just do seven weekends. 00:35:43
So yeah, if that's what you wanted to do, that's probably what you'd have to do is. 00:35:48
Is say we're going to do our well. I assume we'll celebrate the 4th of July on the 4th Thursday. 00:35:54
And have a long weekend but not start the concerts. 00:36:00
If it's going to be competing with crit until the 13. 00:36:04
So anyway, so open to is. 00:36:08
Waiting or? 00:36:13
On what I mean, I had assumed that our schedule for concerts was going to be our schedule that that's kind of the approach that 00:36:15
we've taken. 00:36:18
It sounds like there might be flexibility there. 00:36:23
I'm not but. 00:36:29
I. 00:36:31
Trying to be open minded, but I also hate to. 00:36:33
Step on what the citizens are expecting and what have been working well. 00:36:36
And. 00:36:41
You know why we're they're asking us to bend a whole lot here. I would, I would. I think that goes against our policy, right? 00:36:42
And so I think it has to work with our concert. And if it can't, then crit. 00:36:50
That's my feeling is we don't adjust our concert series to accommodate the current event. Yeah. And so I think we're happy to look 00:36:56
at how it would go on a Saturday and if we can work it out. 00:37:01
It sounds like the council's open to it. 00:37:08
To take the next step in. 00:37:10
And I don't know when they need an answer, and that honestly wasn't clear to me either. But I'll reach back out to Eric and let 00:37:12
him know of kind of where we are in terms of this conversation and if there are alternatives in June or September. 00:37:20
But. 00:37:29
Yeah, I don't think we're willing to move the concert on the 6th of July because that will be a long weekend with the 4th being 00:37:30
Thursday and a lot of people will stay in town and. 00:37:36
I think they'll look forward to having the first contact of concern. 00:37:41
You've got a really successful thing going, this city sponsored. 00:37:45
And it's just really. 00:37:50
Hard to to move that for for this event, yeah. I'd rather be open to crit if it wasn't stepping on. 00:37:51
Right, one of our. 00:37:58
Hallowed. 00:37:59
Yeah, I'd rather do. Personally, I'd rather do. If there weren't going to do it, I'd rather do. 00:38:00
Sunday and be and. 00:38:07
Fix the problems they created at the church that ought to be solvable. 00:38:10
As opposed to all the other problems are going to create on a Saturday, but that's just me. 00:38:14
Anyway, I will communicate that thank you any kind of guidance. It did, it did. 00:38:19
It did. Thank you. 00:38:25
All right. 00:38:26
What's next? 00:38:28
Naming rights, naming rights. So earlier this summer we talked about. 00:38:31
The potential of getting something in ordinance that defined our contributions that can be made to the city. So this was at the. 00:38:40
Suggestion of our fundraising consultant. 00:38:56
Who is looking for sponsorships for? Well, both our skate park, which as the Mayor mentioned, where we have successfully funded 00:39:00
and then for our match for the historic experience. And so she was looking for some guidelines around sponsorships. 00:39:11
And the council earlier in the summer indicated you were open to that idea but wanted to see an ordinance. So that's what is in 00:39:22
front of you. 00:39:26
Umm. 00:39:31
This is based on work that both Salt Lake City and Lehigh have done. 00:39:33
And I would say this is more closely modeled on a Lehigh. 00:39:40
Ordinance. 00:39:47
So it sets up four different kinds of sponsorships. 00:39:49
A sponsorship for an amenity? 00:39:57
Sponsorship for trees. 00:40:00
Site specific event sponsorships. 00:40:03
And then fixed term sponsorships or naming rights. 00:40:08
It also defines categories for assets that would potentially be named and how we would recognize donations. 00:40:14
Set some standards for naming. 00:40:23
And talks about how we would either change or remove an asset name. 00:40:27
So this is really for I'm interested in comments and whether that is something that Council is still interested in looking at. 00:40:35
We had had a conversation about whether there were limits to who we would allow to donate to the city. 00:40:47
And I know, I don't know, Todd, if you want to speak to just the difficulties with doing that. 00:40:58
It just seems like a snake pit. 00:41:04
Umm. 00:41:06
From a legal standpoint, when you start to. 00:41:07
And I don't know how else to characterize it, but to kind of make value decisions about who contributes and get to naming right. 00:41:11
You jump right in the First Amendment concerns, and that lies. 00:41:16
Of our active difficulty, particularly for public agencies. 00:41:22
Your ability to restrict. 00:41:26
Has to be. 00:41:28
In some way content neutral and I don't know how you craft. 00:41:29
A content neutral regulation on who you would accept sponsorship from. 00:41:34
So I I just. 00:41:39
I can't get my arms or my head around. 00:41:41
An effective limitation that way. 00:41:44
So that's just something I think you need to factor in this decision. 00:41:47
So. 00:41:55
Could you do it by? 00:41:57
Instead of. 00:42:00
Specific entity but entity type. 00:42:01
Even if it's only accept naming rights from like. 00:42:05
Foundations or or. 00:42:09
Or. 00:42:12
Organizations that aren't necessarily just. 00:42:13
C Corps or LLC's But. 00:42:16
That are. 00:42:19
501C3 or otherwise you're just helping him to. 00:42:20
Jewel vaping can then you know? Sure, and I think you can. I just don't know if that's effective. 00:42:24
If the society, the societal foundation for the Society of separation is have had issues with these kind of things all over this 00:42:33
state, they filed several lawsuits, right? 00:42:37
If they decided they wanted naming rights and. 00:42:42
We they didn't meet a category, they would just create the organization within the category, right it it. 00:42:45
So I you could do that, I just don't know if it's effective. It ends up being an effective limitation. 00:42:51
You know, I'll chime in on on a positive note. 00:43:01
With. 00:43:04
I'm I'm looking at for example the purpose section where it talks about what types of. 00:43:05
Amenities or or assets can be named, including walkways and gathering spots and I'm thinking. 00:43:12
Instantly, for example, of our historic. 00:43:18
Exhibits. Experience exhibits. 00:43:21
Piece where we're trying to raise $370,000 or something like that. 00:43:24
And wondering if there is would be some. 00:43:31
Some entity that might be interested in having naming rights to that to, you know, in exchange for getting some money and that 00:43:35
might help getting getting donors. I mean this this seems like it it would be. 00:43:40
If we could craft it correctly. 00:43:46
It would be a dovetail piece to our friends of holiday. 00:43:48
Initiatives in, you know, so I think there's a lot of positive that could come from this. 00:43:52
I do share some of Todd's concern about you know you don't want to have. 00:43:57
Well, I don't want to say any names, but you don't want to. You don't. You don't want to have some some sort of odd brand. 00:44:02
Larry's bailing up in the city and it's a made-up name, but I mean, yeah, So what name did you say? Mary's bail Bonds. Yeah. Yeah, 00:44:09
yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Lefties bail bonds. Justice court, you know, you know, Justice court plaque or 00:44:14
something, you know. 00:44:20
But. 00:44:27
Anyway, I see I see a lot of positive in this and I'm I'm quite interested in it. Yeah, it's this way. 00:44:28
Yeah. I mean, the potential is there. 00:44:36
It just comes with some. 00:44:38
Some risk. 00:44:40
I mean. 00:44:42
You know our our stage and and. 00:44:43
All kinds of things. I mean, you could limit it to people's names instead of entity names, as long as they're not a felon. 00:44:46
Maybe you can? 00:44:53
Yeah, that you would be discrimination. I have a couple of It's all over the place in terms of every place you go there, Yeah. 00:44:55
Stages and this is our sponsor and this is our. 00:45:02
So. 00:45:07
People have figured it out. I hate to. 00:45:07
Talking about so, does this differ from, say for example, when I go to Red Butte for the concert series? 00:45:10
It's the Wells Fargo stage and the they're sponsors up there, so. 00:45:17
It doesn't differ. 00:45:23
So they what's the risk then that if somebody comes in and says, yeah, I'll. 00:45:25
Lefties bail. Bonds wants to be the sponsor of the stage. They have to say yes. Sure. And if they pony up enough, yeah. 00:45:29
If that's what they want the money, right? 00:45:35
So I mean, you've done, you've done this before in this city. 00:45:38
Do you have plaques? 00:45:41
With the playground here, yeah, and there are bricks with names on them. 00:45:43
From donors. 00:45:47
You've done that and it wasn't a negative experience in any way, shape or form. I don't want to deter your consideration of 00:45:48
something that's really, really useful and valuable to the city. I just think you're going with your eyes open, right? That 00:45:52
you're. 00:45:56
You're taking a risk that. 00:46:01
However, minimal, yeah, you are. 00:46:03
Is there actually a Lefties Bail bonds? 00:46:05
I was just using that, but there's not actually in there. I was just laughing. Listen to this and say one of my dearest friends is 00:46:08
Beehive Bail Bonds, so I understand where exactly where you're going, but that real shady character is is. 00:46:14
You know you want to be able to control it and to some extent you're going to lose a little bit control if you go forward with it, 00:46:21
but. 00:46:24
Some would say Wells Fargo is a criminal organization. What did I say? Oh. 00:46:28
I mean, they have been fined billions of dollars. 00:46:33
So are they erased that from the minute? 00:46:37
Are the categories. 00:46:42
There's the sponsorship category and then these other categories, so are those contemplating? 00:46:44
Some sort of naming apart from a donation. 00:46:51
Well, like so category one is sponsorships. 00:46:58
Category 2 is. 00:47:02
City recognitions. 00:47:04
Would that? 00:47:05
Sponsorships involve a monetary contribution and others would be. 00:47:07
For. 00:47:11
Other contributions to the city that are. 00:47:12
Perhaps monetary? 00:47:15
Why that's such a good question? That's the way it looks like it's written. 00:47:19
But I. 00:47:24
I think I have some recollection of. Actually in Lehigh they have named certain. 00:47:26
Park Things are after families that have made significant contributions to the community historically. 00:47:31
So they aren't just monetary donations there? 00:47:36
The Todd Godfrey Skate park. 00:47:42
That does not exist either here or in Lehigh. 00:47:45
Although I'm in favor of light. 00:47:48
Well. 00:47:54
What do we need out of this tonight? So at this stage, if you're comfortable, we would put this on an agenda for a public hearing. 00:47:56
I don't think it's required, but that's certainly your practice. And then we would talk about it again and then it would be on an 00:48:03
agenda for your approval. 00:48:09
Just to me like. 00:48:17
We. 00:48:18
Acknowledge your. 00:48:20
You know your comments about just going to go into this with your eyes wide open that there's a chance that this could. 00:48:25
And you could end up having something you may not want, but. 00:48:32
Everybody's. 00:48:36
Opened to say, you know, that's a risk, We're willing to take this as a great opportunity for the city. 00:48:37
I would. We're not inventing a new wheel either. I mean having municipalities do this. So I would just, I would just want, 00:48:42
especially since we've got three attorneys. 00:48:46
Here to. 00:48:51
Let's have a chance to look at this now. You say this is we think this is a pretty good guide policy, but let's. 00:48:53
Let's go through this and make sure what we post is something. 00:48:59
That we think we're willing to accept. 00:49:02
So start tweaking it or whatever we need to do but. 00:49:04
The bottom line is, yeah, we want to go forward with this and have this as an opportunity when we have things like historical walk 00:49:08
come up to have the ability to go reach out and see if we can get a big, big donor. 00:49:13
And be willing to put their name on it if they're willing to write a big check. 00:49:18
Yeah. 00:49:22
So if you have. 00:49:26
Please send them my direction. 00:49:29
OK. 00:49:32
Hopefully should we have. 00:49:35
I mean, this is probably something we ought to maybe do, a target of trying to have something. 00:49:37
In ordinance by the end of the calendar year. Is that reasonable? 00:49:41
OK. 00:49:45
All right. I think we're on to Drew. 00:49:47
Ohh fine, just renewable renewable energy utility agreement. I saw signatures on this. 00:49:51
In the packet, I thought yes, some say there is a signature on already and that is the signature of Dan Dugan who is the. 00:49:58
Chairman of the agency. 00:50:05
But Utah law requires that each city also sign it. 00:50:07
That's why we're here tonight. 00:50:12
And Todd, jump in anytime you want. 00:50:14
Excuse me? 00:50:18
OK, umm. 00:50:19
Can you go down to the, I think it's the third slide which is the steps. 00:50:22
Yes, OK. 00:50:27
So this has been. 00:50:29
Quite a process, It is actually been taken a lot longer than anybody wanted it to. But look, we're halfway there. 00:50:31
So um. 00:50:38
If you remember this. 00:50:40
Was created. This program was created by the Utah legislature, passed signed by the governor in 1999. 00:50:43
And in December of 1999, this Council. 00:50:49
Some of us weren't on it, but the holiday City Council. 00:50:52
Decided that we wanted to participate, so we are one of 18 communities. 00:50:56
Governance agreement we signed, it went down, went from 23 down to 18. I'm not sure exactly sure why. 00:51:04
The utility agreement is a big step. 00:51:11
It is an agreement that is again required by the Statute. 00:51:14
And. 00:51:20
It will form the basis of. 00:51:22
The relationship between Rocky Mountain Power, who of course has the power company. 00:51:25
Will be administering the program. 00:51:30
And. 00:51:33
Everyone who was on the program. 00:51:34
So um. 00:51:37
There are four pieces of the utility agreement. 00:51:40
If you can go to the next slide I believe. 00:51:44
Thank you. 00:51:50
Um. 00:51:52
The first one. 00:51:53
Is. 00:51:55
Pretty much just informative. 00:51:56
200,000 let me back up just a second. 00:51:58
So when we first. 00:52:02
Decided to be a part of this. 00:52:03
The city. 00:52:06
Was assessed a certain amount and over the last two years we paid those amounts so that. 00:52:07
Form the basis of the pot of money that we are working with right now, for example. 00:52:13
Paying attorneys paying. 00:52:18
Consultants. Paying experts. 00:52:21
And also $200,000 of it is going to. 00:52:23
To pay for consultants. 00:52:28
Used by the Division of Public Utilities and the Office of Consumer Services. 00:52:30
Which and they are. 00:52:35
Quite involved in the development of the program. 00:52:37
The second part. 00:52:42
Is. 00:52:43
We agreed to reimburse. 00:52:46
Rocky Mountain Power for two mailings. Now this is a little bit up in the air still. I think I talked about this before. 00:52:49
We are trying to decide whether, OK, the statute requires 2 notices. 00:52:57
And I think it says to be sent out. 00:53:03
And so there's a discussion going on right now whether at least one of those notices can be emailed. 00:53:07
To the people who have signed up for paperless billing. 00:53:13
I think where we are right now is, is that one of the? 00:53:16
Notices has to be mailed a paper notice to every single Rocky Mountain Power customer in these 18 communities. 00:53:22
But then the second one? 00:53:30
Could be emailed to the paperless billing group. 00:53:32
So there is a number that we have been. 00:53:36
Told is. 00:53:40
In the ballpark. 00:53:42
Holidays. 00:53:44
Holiday share of that noticing right now is 19,000. 00:53:47
$530.78. 00:53:52
Again, that might go down if we agree that part of it can be emailed. 00:53:55
The third piece of the utility agreement. 00:54:00
Is um. 00:54:04
A description of termination fees. 00:54:05
Again, I think I've already talked about this a little bit, but basically. 00:54:08
The terminate the. 00:54:12
Termination fee is. 00:54:14
Both a carrot and a stick, I think. 00:54:17
Once you're in the program. 00:54:21
Not opted out during that beginning period. 00:54:24
Once you're in the program, the termination fee acts as. 00:54:27
A deterrent. 00:54:32
To. 00:54:33
Opting out because if you opt out after the first three billing cycles, you have to pay the fee. 00:54:35
But it it won't, it'll be big enough to say, well, I guess I'll stay in, you know, my. 00:54:41
My bill is only $3 more amount, but I'd have to pay 30, a $30 termination fee, so I guess I'll stay in. 00:54:50
That is the. 00:54:57
The goal of the termination fee. 00:54:59
Um. 00:55:02
While the program is operating. 00:55:05
Any unpaid termination fee will be rolled into program costs. 00:55:08
Which will be taken out of that small amount. 00:55:13
That everybody pays. 00:55:17
Extra on that. 00:55:20
On their power bill. 00:55:22
When the program ends. 00:55:24
The the utility agreement. 00:55:26
Describes how the termination fee will be handled. 00:55:29
When we don't have those. 00:55:33
After the program ends. 00:55:38
OK. 00:55:40
The 4th. 00:55:42
The point of the two mailings is specifically. 00:55:45
2. 00:55:49
Notify members of our community that we have. 00:55:49
Joined in this initiative. 00:55:54
That their bills gonna go up. 00:55:56
4% or whatever it is. 00:55:59
Unless they opt out. And they can opt out. So. 00:56:01
We're going to have this. 00:56:04
Robust communication effort. 00:56:06
To let people know that we are doing this. 00:56:08
But you can opt out of it, but you have to opt out or you're in and then if they get billed. 00:56:10
Three or four or five times and decide they don't want to participate. 00:56:15
They can opt out, but they're going to, there's there's a fee associated with that that they're going to have to pay. Not us 00:56:20
Exactly. OK, yeah, exactly. 00:56:24
In fact. 00:56:28
The e-mail that we all got recently. 00:56:30
Was a good example of the need. 00:56:34
For us to tell all of our residents. 00:56:36
How this program works? 00:56:40
Because if you remember this, the fellow that they emailed in was. 00:56:42
Mad because his power bill was going up and complaining about all the taxes and everything. I'm going no, you don't have to be in 00:56:47
it if you don't want to. 00:56:51
So we have to make that really, really clear, but we also have to make it really clear that there's a certain procedure that you 00:56:55
have to go through right at the beginning. 00:57:00
And if you can certainly opt out after that, like you said, Mayor. 00:57:05
You will pay. 00:57:10
Pay a fee in order to. 00:57:11
To get out of the program after it's the third, after the third billing cycle, You know, I just wanna. 00:57:13
Be able to tell somebody. 00:57:20
When they? 00:57:22
Call or e-mail me. 00:57:23
I'm sorry you're upset, but we made every effort to try to educate people. 00:57:25
About their option to opt out, I'm sorry, you missed it exactly, yes. 00:57:31
So and that's what that 19,004 is for the mailings and then I'm assuming we would. 00:57:37
Also have a pretty robust. 00:57:42
Social media. 00:57:45
Newsletter Newsletter. 00:57:47
We're not going to fight this. We're going to push it out there and be able to say we made every effort to educate everybody about 00:57:50
their opportunity. 00:57:54
To opt out and my understanding is that the the consortium will be employing a public engagement specialist to help us push that 00:57:58
material out. 00:58:03
With the understanding somebody will still be upset. Yeah, unfortunately I think you're right. 00:58:09
By the way, thanks for your very. 00:58:16
Thorough response to that, yeah, You're welcome. 00:58:19
Ohh OK. 00:58:25
All right, so the fourth section is something that I still don't fully understand. 00:58:28
About replaced assets. 00:58:33
Todd, do you want to jump in on this one? 00:58:36
Well, there's. 00:58:40
As the program develops the green energy sources and replaces the thermal energy power plants, right? 00:58:42
They want there to be a clear identification. 00:58:49
Of the thermal power plants that will no longer be utilized to provide power to the particular communities that are in the agency. 00:58:52
And that's for reasons of transparency. And if people have political views about it, it's it's. 00:58:58
Sort of a broad based initiative and its policy underlying. 00:59:04
Right now, they haven't identified any particular power plants that are going to be. 00:59:07
You know, excluded. 00:59:13
From the energy production scenario. 00:59:14
But they anticipate there may be some in the future. So if you're a. 00:59:16
A person who has concern about. 00:59:20
The power plants that are operating in some part of our state. 00:59:22
You'll have the opportunity to know if they will or won't be included in the power generation for this particular initiative. I I 00:59:25
anticipate that at some point. 00:59:29
There will be some that are excluded. They just haven't been identified right now, right? And and the piece that I don't fully 00:59:33
understand still is. 00:59:36
There's a problem. 00:59:41
Not a problem. 00:59:43
They're staying till still trying to figure out how to. 00:59:44
Differentiate how to charge the people on the program versus the people not on the program. 00:59:48
Yeah, that is. That's what I have heard also. And I had somebody try to explain it to me and my eyes were glazing over within 30 00:59:55
seconds. Well, that makes me feel better. Thank you. Folks who who operate municipal power entities are good at explaining it in a 00:59:59
way that. 01:00:04
The other folks who operate municipal power entities understand. 01:00:09
But since we're not in that category, it's difficult. But it is a. It is a. It is a function of the way power is generated, stored 01:00:13
and distributed. 01:00:17
And that's beyond my capacity. And don't tell my father I said that he's an electrical engineer. He. 01:00:21
Already disappointed in me, so OK. 01:00:27
All right. 01:00:29
So as as this slide says. 01:00:30
The by signing the utility agreement, that does not mean that we are committing to be part of this program. 01:00:34
So they are committing to certain. 01:00:41
Ramp up costs still is that, yes and and that's one thing that we went, we we went into paying for the noticing. 01:00:43
With our eyes open when we committed to be part of the program, so that this is not still nothing new, still not we still jump off 01:00:51
the train and leave our 19,000. Yeah, because the next step, we still haven't seen what the rate differential is. That's like the 01:00:57
next step. So exactly OK, way out of bounds and we can still jump off the track. 01:01:03
And there's still some question marks, some things that have to be worked out. 01:01:09
The biggest one is how, How these? 01:01:14
Assets are going to be valued. I think that's the big sticking point right now. 01:01:18
But. 01:01:22
For our point of view once. 01:01:24
We accept and sign the utility agreement. 01:01:26
Then. 01:01:29
All the communities have to sign the utility agreement that is part of. 01:01:31
The application that Rocky Mountain Power will make to the Public Service Commission, hopefully by the beginning of the year. 01:01:36
At that point in time. 01:01:43
The whole program will be. 01:01:45
Looked at by the PSC. 01:01:49
And that is the entity that will actually set the rates and that's what we have all been waiting for with bated breath. 01:01:51
After that happens and there's an approval. 01:02:00
And we have all the numbers in place. 01:02:04
Then we will. 01:02:06
Get together again and look at it and say is this. 01:02:08
With with these numbers, knowing how much it's gonna cost. 01:02:11
Is this still something that is for the benefit of our residents? So this is just? 01:02:15
This signature is just the second to the last step. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm still on board. OK. Yes, we're still among the the 01:02:20
known quantities. Yes. The big unknown is the next one. Exactly so. 01:02:26
Drew, Drew. So I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the chart the one through 7 steps and we're on four and seven though is is the 01:02:33
drop dead date for us right. Exactly. And so that so that is months down the road. I mean that's that's a year away probably well 01:02:40
six at least three to six, three to six months away. Six months away. Yeah. And so I'm you know so I think I'm with I think I'm 01:02:47
with the mayor on on this that yeah I think this is well worth. 01:02:54
Continuing to be on board with this. We still have an option out. 01:03:02
I would say though that it would be this is a pretty extraordinary. 01:03:07
Thing for the city because it involves not an opt in. 01:03:11
Feature for our for our, our constituents. 01:03:17
But it's an automatic end with an option with a limited time option out, and that's pretty unusual. 01:03:21
And so I would think that as part of the education process. 01:03:27
We ought to think about. 01:03:33
How the public hearing, How our public hearing on this would go? 01:03:35
And it might be that we have an unusual amount of of notoriety advertisement for a public hearing, so that people understand that 01:03:39
opt in, opt out. 01:03:44
Unusual feature of it. 01:03:50
And maybe and we would hopefully get some really good public input the A and A in a in a council meeting. 01:03:52
Setting. 01:03:59
And yeah, but I agree that we, you know, at this point, I there's no reason to bail out at this point. We can still. 01:04:00
You know. 01:04:08
If we have overwhelming public opposition to this, then the Council may want to consider, well, I just, you know. 01:04:09
You know. 01:04:16
Based on the last survey we did, my recollection was the holiday residence by a pretty large percentage. 01:04:18
Really wanted, you know, our city to focus on. 01:04:25
These kinds of issues, yes. So I think, I think we're totally justified in going in this direction. I think the concept is still. 01:04:29
You know, are we willing to pay a little bit more to have Rocky Mountain power pursue? 01:04:36
Renewable energy types of initiatives, even though they're going to cost more money, we're willing to pay for it. I'm disappointed 01:04:40
that. 01:04:44
There's only 18. 01:04:47
That's disappointing to me that there's only 18 other communities that. 01:04:49
That. 01:04:53
Engaged in this effort, but I'm still, I still think this is the right thing to do. I think it's what our citizens want to do. But 01:04:55
I agree with Paul. 01:04:58
We still haven't seen what the final number is, but my understanding is we're only talking about a. 01:05:03
Four or five or 6% increase to your. 01:05:09
Bill. And as long as that's still the case. 01:05:12
You can already. 01:05:45
Opt in. 01:05:47
When the default is opt out. 01:05:48
With Rocky Mountain Power program to opt into the program, I think this. 01:05:51
Having the default for our citizens be opt in unless you opt out. It's an economy of scale builder. Yeah, that to to get this 01:05:55
thing for sure. Really. 01:05:59
Rolling with the. 01:06:04
You know greater. 01:06:06
Mass. 01:06:08
That's the ball though, that we don't want to hide. Is that opt in? Yeah, piece of it, right. So what's the mechanism for 01:06:10
signature here? 01:06:13
Is that? 01:06:18
Do we need a resolution or is it just a? 01:06:18
We've agreed or. 01:06:21
You just need to sign that, that last page. Yeah, exactly. And so we'll put that on the agenda. So we'll we'll just need something 01:06:23
to authorize me or Gina or whoever is appropriate to sign it. So we'll have that on the agenda for the. 01:06:30
Second, second. OK. 01:06:38
So it's still just didn't we're still just an administrative function, not at a. 01:06:41
Public hearing. 01:06:46
Decision making, yeah. 01:06:48
This is this is not a final decision, right? 01:06:50
I appreciate everyone's interest and support in this program I think. 01:06:53
I really hope that, like you said, economy of scale. 01:06:59
It's going to be interesting to see. I mean, the Public Service Commission's got to look at this and say, OK. 01:07:02
If we make it too expensive. 01:07:07
Nobody's going to sign up, right? 01:07:09
But if you know anyway, it'll it'll be really interesting to see how how the number of course it can't be too low or the power 01:07:11
company that isn't agreed to do it. It's still gotta make. 01:07:16
It's going to be a win win, yeah. 01:07:22
Thank you. 01:07:25
OK. And thanks for your work on this trip. 01:07:26
Interesting too, but I've learned very interesting. 01:07:30
Well, we appreciate having a representation on that committee, I guess. 01:07:34
OK, so. 01:07:40
Very good. So Board of Canvassers, I see a question mark there, December 5th or 6th. 01:07:42
Oh, OK. So that's just you'll let us know when that's finalized? 01:07:52
OK. 01:07:58
And Stephanie, could we do that right virtually? 01:08:00
With an anchored location. 01:08:03
If you'd like. 01:08:11
OK. 01:08:14
So we'll look at that, OK. There's an option, Yeah. 01:08:16
Very good. I don't think we need closed session. 01:08:21
We do need closed session. 01:08:24
OK, so I would ask somebody to propose the motion as per Utah Code. 01:08:26
Mr. Mayor, I move the globe into closed session pursuant to Utah Code Section 52-4-204 and 2:05. 01:08:33
To discuss the physical or mental health or professional competence of individual potential litigation, property acquisition, or 01:08:39
disposition. 01:08:42
Second, OK, we have a motion, A second. This will be a roll call. Council Member Durham, yes. Council Member Fotheringham, yes. 01:08:47
Council member Quinn, Yes. Council member Gibbons? Yes. And chair vote yes. 01:08:52
Thank you. We are in closed session, so we would. 01:08:57
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That. 00:00:00
It's a tough issue because it's a public road, right? 00:00:00
And. 00:00:03
The bikers want to be able to navigate that stretch safely as well. Yeah, And there are a lot of them, yeah. And to me it makes 00:00:04
more sense to have them on the east side of the street. 00:00:09
The the the West is very, very narrow. The the the bike lane is right against the, you know, landscaping. 00:00:13
But on the east side there is a very, very, very wide shoulder. 00:00:21
And so so. 00:00:25
I don't know I but I think that's a great approach. I like it. I like that though to to. 00:00:29
Before we just start, before we yank them out, let's. 00:00:34
Also, I'm getting comfortable with. 00:00:37
Having a. 00:00:40
It matters here, but not there when it comes to no parking. 00:00:41
And having citizens have to figure out where no parking signs matter and where they don't matter. 00:00:45
Yeah. 00:00:51
Well, I'll, I'll, I'll give it. I'll give a careful response to the to the resident and we'll take from there. 00:00:54
I just had one other one other point to raise again. We talked about this last meeting and I've had, I've had further interaction 00:01:00
with residents up in Canyon Cove about Gun Club Road and. 00:01:05
And I know that. I know that Todd is Todd's office is doing some research on that and. 00:01:11
That may be subject to the future work session or something, but anyway, just. 00:01:18
Just note that there's continuing concern about the the trucks there and. 00:01:23
And I for one would be really interested in. 00:01:28
In exploring, is there an Ave. to dedicate? 00:01:32
Or a strip of. 00:01:37
Ground on the West on the South side of Gun Club Rd. similar to what we did with Memory Lane. 00:01:39
In 1999 slash 2000, where we in perpetuity limited commercial access to the mall property from Memory Lane. 00:01:45
And there could be historic easements and. 00:01:55
In the fact that it's a gravel pit. I mean the gravel pit law and and you know Todd knows way more than I do but the gravel pit 00:02:00
law as. 00:02:04
As developed over the last century plus. 00:02:09
Is so positive toward the owners of gravel pits that there could be other issues, but it may not be as simple as what happened 00:02:13
with memory lane. But anyway, I just think it's really, really worth worth seeing if we can preserve something, you know, put 00:02:18
something in place now. 00:02:23
To give the residents of Canyon called some kind of relief from. 00:02:29
And especially as that property may be developed over the next decade or so would be, this would be a good time to review it so 00:02:33
anyway. 00:02:36
I'm not really asking Todd for you know, for for a trigger hair trigger opinion or anything now, but just. 00:02:40
Note that we have continued residents concerned about it and look forward to having that discussion. 00:02:47
You know, as it unfolds and so you know we're. 00:02:54
I think within a week or two of being able to give an opinion there are some facts we need to confirm. 00:02:57
At the boundary of the city. 00:03:02
And where that's located that we're looking into now? 00:03:04
But. 00:03:07
We'll be back to talk to the council soon. Perfect. Thanks. 00:03:07
Right, that's all I've got. 00:03:11
OK, thank you. Just a couple of things, you know Ben Bennett made comment about the skate park and just to let the. 00:03:14
The Council know. 00:03:22
This is an issue that that we're fully engaged on. The Chief has been fully engaged with it as well as Gina. 00:03:24
We've got some. 00:03:32
Initiatives we're pursuing to try to. 00:03:35
Ideas were tossing around and and trying to figure out what policies we can put in place to make sure that. 00:03:39
The skate park. 00:03:46
Remains a healthy environment for the community at large. 00:03:48
And we'll I think give you maybe some more updates as as that. 00:03:52
Clarifies a little bit, I guess. 00:03:56
Along those same lines, the TRCC board today. 00:03:59
Did approve the application from holiday. It was $120,000. 00:04:03
Ask with the 30,000 match. 00:04:10
Which we've already raised the funds for. 00:04:13
I believe, well, we might be a few dollars short, but we're pretty much there. 00:04:16
With the Arts Council. 00:04:20
Foundation donation. 00:04:23
And. 00:04:25
And a pretty large donation we've already received from a resident to match those funds. So the city in essence. 00:04:26
This will be our first kind of. 00:04:33
Shot at this private public initiative to to try to use some private funding. 00:04:35
Resources to help. 00:04:42
Bring amenities in that may not justify a full use of taxpayer dollars. So. 00:04:44
The match that we're required to provide as part of the TCC TRC grant, the 30,000 at this point. 00:04:50
Is. 00:04:57
Is a fully donated. 00:04:58
Piece, so there would be no money coming from holiday taxpayer? 00:05:00
Coffers at this point. 00:05:03
So just as a reminder to that would be to light the skate park and it would be to replace the. 00:05:05
Fiberglass. 00:05:11
Pillars. 00:05:12
With a stone that kind of matches, I think that the bleachers. 00:05:14
Yeah. So anyway, that was approved today. It's still got to go to the County Council for its blessing, but. 00:05:18
I have never seen the County Council not approve what the TRC board has recommended so. 00:05:25
Kudos to all that were involved in. 00:05:31
Coming up with that grant applet or the application through GRCC and. 00:05:34
Off we go on another. 00:05:39
Opportunity through that fund. 00:05:41
So. 00:05:44
I think that's all I have. I don't know, Stephanie. I'll do we want us to move across? It's up to you. 00:05:47
What's easiest? 00:05:58
I don't see any of these taking a tremendous amount of time to you, Gina, or any of them Easier to handle across the hall. 00:06:05
Then let's just stay here. 00:06:14
I'm just making the call. 00:06:16
So we still need a motion to recess and recess to work meeting and then we'll go right into the City Hall remodel as the first 00:06:18
item And Mr. Mayor, I move that we adjourn City Council or recess City Council and. 00:06:23
And reassemble in a work meeting second. 00:06:30
Motion is second. All in favor, say aye, Aye, aye. 00:06:33
Any opposed? 00:06:38
I didn't think so. 00:06:40
We are officially ready. We are recessed to a work meeting and unless somebody needs a break, we will go right to discussion on 00:06:41
the City Hall remodel. 00:06:46
OK, right. And I think I see Dwight. 00:06:52
Who's just arriving? 00:06:56
Good evening everyone. 00:07:12
So it looks like. 00:07:17
What I'll kind of do is revisit the kind of decision tree that we presented. 00:07:19
Maybe a month ago. 00:07:27
In terms of thinking about. 00:07:29
Kind of how the seismic retrofits may kind of. 00:07:30
I'll relate to how you're thinking about the kind of space planning. 00:07:34
I did have a kind of discussion with. 00:07:38
Jared, about scoping and how we might think about moving forward for you. 00:07:40
So. 00:07:44
In terms of the decision tree that we had kind of proposed to you as a recommendation. 00:07:46
Is really thinking about the level of the seismic upgrade, level one being life safety? 00:07:50
Level 2 being that moving beyond life safety that you would actually be able to. 00:07:55
Most likely repair the building and then reuse it. 00:08:00
And Level 3 would be that the building would be almost immediately usable after a large seismic event. 00:08:04
The with that, once you have a kind of idea of where you think. 00:08:11
The seismic upgrade is kind of the value of the seismic upgrade in Level 2. 00:08:17
To kind of your organization then that kind of sets the kind of decisions for them, what can be done relative to the renovations 00:08:22
and how the seismic can be executed. So Level 1 as a reminder based upon the structural engineers report would be there's a couple 00:08:29
of different components. The first component would be. 00:08:36
Basically anchoring the roof to the exterior walls. 00:08:44
It's a connection that's done from the top. Basically. They would have to cut about 3 feet. 00:08:48
At the perimeter of all the exterior walls from the roof. 00:08:53
And then create connections that tie the the kind of the the roof joists to the wall. 00:08:56
The second part of this kind of level 1 intervention is over the administrative wing there, wood trusses. 00:09:03
That needs to be reinforced so they actually have to go in and then do reinforcing in the web. 00:09:12
Of the. 00:09:17
Of the joists, but that can also be done through the roof. 00:09:19
The final Level 1 renovation would be in this particular area actually just. 00:09:22
South of this room but. 00:09:31
Yes, actually, sorry, just north of this room towards the planning area, there's a series of concrete trusses that run across the 00:09:34
building, so it switches materials. 00:09:38
For that, the structural engineer is recommending that. 00:09:43
There needs to be some seismic upgrades to the interior masonry walls that then are tied to the roof. 00:09:45
And so in that particular project we were able to discuss with them. 00:09:52
Recently about a couple of options about how that can be done. 00:09:57
And so basically what we're now thinking is that instead of having to actually. 00:10:01
Deconstruct and then reconstruct the interior masonry wall. 00:10:07
We think we can actually just add one more layer of CMU that would be tied to the existing. 00:10:11
Wall and then actually reinforce in that way. 00:10:18
And so basically with that, it would be tied to renovations to either side, both the planning or the opposite side? 00:10:21
So that we we can probably make up that 8 inches without having to have as major or reconstruction. 00:10:28
So in that level one scenario, those are the three components. 00:10:35
The nice thing is, is the roof. 00:10:39
Portion could be done. 00:10:42
Pretty much at any time. 00:10:43
So that could be that could be separated from any of the potential interior work or the space planning work that can be done. 00:10:46
The wall reconstruction would want to be tied to the renovations that happen, particularly to the planning department because it 00:10:53
will impact some of that space. 00:10:58
Level 2. 00:11:04
To move to level 2 would be a full reconstruction of all the interior walls. In talking with the structural engineer, his 00:11:06
recommendation is it's probably not worth the cost. 00:11:10
Because once you do that, you are going to impact pretty much every single interior space in the entire building. 00:11:15
And so when we were doing space planning, we were being very focused on what things would need to be renovated and we were also 00:11:20
showing the ways of phasing that over time. 00:11:24
And so if you move to Level 2, those things will need to be coupled together, whereas in the level one, we can look at ways we can 00:11:28
phase the renovations and keep them as almost discrete projects. And as I recall, it was also a. 00:11:36
A crapshoot with regard to exactly the level level bang for our buck for percentage calculation of whether or not we're going to 00:11:43
survive it. Yeah, absolutely. Even with the Level 2, there is no guarantee that with all that investment, the building itself 00:11:49
would actually be usable. Afterwards, we're back up to one of the level one points you made. I'm not a construction guy, so I'm 00:11:54
going to ask some dumb questions for her. 00:12:00
You're talking about you're tying the roof to the exterior walls. Yep. For you know, collapse prevention is because the most times 00:12:07
that the roof falls off the walls or something, right? But what is the nature of our exterior walls that keeps the exterior walls 00:12:14
from being part of the collapse problem? So right now the biggest thing is that because they're unconnected, right, the basically 00:12:21
the roof is unbraced. And so actually it works kind of two ways. 00:12:29
Once you connect it, the wall braces the roof so that that stiffens it and so there's less movement, right? Gotcha. And so it 00:12:36
works in two ways. One is that with less roof movement, there's less pressure on the wall that would then cause a masonry to 00:12:42
collapse actually, right? And then the other thing is, is that with the wall being braced because it's not as moving as much, it 00:12:48
won't collapse and then the roof will fall down. 00:12:53
So that's why they're recommending that connection. 00:12:59
So that bracing basically makes that thing kind of move together rather than against each other. 00:13:03
Gotcha. 00:13:10
OK, yeah, you said. 00:13:11
You'd have to take. 00:13:13
This. 00:13:15
Top three feet of the wall to do this, sorry not to top through three from the wall. Edge 3 feet of the roof. 00:13:15
Ohh, OK, so so you wouldn't be destroying the exterior walls with those. We don't have to touch the exterior walls at all. Ohh 00:13:22
good. OK, we'll have to be. 00:13:26
Partially redone. Thank you. I misunderstood. Sorry, yeah. 00:13:30
Other questions? 00:13:35
So what we discussed basically in I've discussed with Jared is our kind of approaches after looking at these things and having a 00:13:38
more in depth discussion with the structural engineer. 00:13:44
Is you know, our recommendation would be is really to explore the level 1. 00:13:50
Because that will give you life safety. 00:13:54
And then we can also do it as kind of more discrete projects. 00:13:57
What we're thinking, what what Jared has asked me to do, is put together a proposal. 00:14:01
To. 00:14:06
Bringing the drawings of basically the seismic working with structural to get enough information. 00:14:07
To have that be able to go out to a cost estimator. 00:14:13
As well as because the level one would include the upgrades of the walls around the planning department. 00:14:16
Which would be impacted. We would do bring the architecture for just a planning department renovations up to a schematic design 00:14:23
level. So that could be priced as well. 00:14:27
So we're going to get engage. 00:14:31
We in our proposal will engage mechanical, electrical and plumbing contractor. 00:14:33
To. 00:14:38
Provide kind of a guidance for how because we're showing. 00:14:39
Potential phasing options as well as trying to when we do the renovations for the walls. 00:14:43
To be able to keep you guys in this building while those renovations occur. 00:14:49
We do need the MEP to advise on how we might have to manipulate the MEP so that we don't have air pollution and contamination, as 00:14:53
well as how we do the kind of phasing. 00:14:57
But we will be putting it together proposal so that. 00:15:02
We could then bring these drawings up to a level that then we can engage a cost estimator to give you more real time costs. 00:15:06
For just these kind of specific, but that would be. 00:15:13
That would be a separate discussion from how we execute it. Yeah, that we'll talk about exactly, but what we what right now we do 00:15:17
now that we can understand. Well, first of all, you know, realistically having gone through all these exercises, we're saying 00:15:22
probably the best. Our recommendation is the best bang for your buck is to really look at level 1. 00:15:28
But then we can also look at these as how it could be executed as projects, but then giving you a number that's more real so that 00:15:34
you guys can then talk about. 00:15:38
How as an organization you feel you can execute that? Yeah, I mean. 00:15:43
Kind of what I'm hearing is. 00:15:46
Or what I'm seeing even with level 2 is. 00:15:48
There's a big difference between. 00:15:53
Seismically stabilizing the structure to protect the. 00:15:55
The health and well-being of employees. 00:16:00
And protecting the structure to where it's habitable after an earthquake, Yeah. And if you're going to do that. 00:16:02
It's almost like you might as well tear the building down and build a new one. Well, and two, yeah, because base basically, at 00:16:10
least to get to the point where the building could be habitable after a major systemic event. 00:16:15
The intrusions that would have to happen to the entire building means most likely every single part of the building interior wise 00:16:20
would have would be touched in some way. So effectively you're gutting the building, yeah, to do that work right? 00:16:27
Kind of. 00:17:04
Modifications to the existing building to make it work. 00:17:06
So. 00:17:09
This would, this is basically saying we're in agreement that we're just going to pursue a level 1 seismic and and. 00:17:10
Turn you and whoever else loose on coming up with the plans that will allow us to get more. 00:17:20
Accurate bids on what that actual cost would be and the numbers. So that you can, yeah, as an organization really sit there and 00:17:27
look at the numbers and say, well, how could this be executed then? 00:17:32
I didn't feel like we could really responsibly spend that delta. 00:17:38
To get to a level 2 when. 00:17:42
The. 00:17:44
Level 2 outcome is. 00:17:45
Yeah, yeah. 00:17:47
Exactly, yeah. It doesn't even guarantee it. And. 00:17:49
It takes. 00:17:52
I I can't remember what the numbers are, but it was. 00:17:54
Taking the numbers from 5 million to 11,000,000, yeah, it's and then you're starting to get into. 00:17:57
Well. 00:18:04
At that price and then and then the. 00:18:05
Disruption to staff you start to. 00:18:07
Enter into this cost range where you have to ask yourself whether this is worth right. 00:18:10
You know, if we can do it for five or six or seven or 8 million and we can get 20 more years out of the building, we're probably 00:18:17
kind of done at that point anyway, right? And you just run the risk of. 00:18:22
If something happens. 00:18:27
We're going to be able to. 00:18:30
Protect the the health and well-being of employees. But there's a chance we're going to take that. We're going to have to. 00:18:31
Move to another place to operate. I mean, this is a dear old building, but it's not exactly Mount Vernon. You know what I mean? 00:18:38
So. 00:18:42
So I mean it it it can easily be replicated in a really nice structure and. 00:18:46
And the delta could be spent on, I don't know if there's earthquake insurance that could. Yeah, we were getting, so yeah. 00:18:52
That seems like the best way, Mayor. I agree with you. 00:19:01
I. 00:19:03
So yeah, I mean, if the ask is. 00:19:04
We want to spend some money to to get this out, to get more accurate numbers, I'd say yes. 00:19:07
OK. 00:19:12
If the Council is comfortable with that, then that's the way we'll proceed and then you'll see, we'll work on a cost estimate for 00:19:14
the cost estimate and that will be in your budget amendment that I would expect you to see in November. 00:19:20
And then once we get that. 00:19:27
Then I think the next step would be. 00:19:29
We can look at the cost and then we can talk about. 00:19:32
How we actually execute it which will be a whole nother. 00:19:35
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whole another discussion. But yeah, and like I said, I think what, what, what at least with the Level 1, the 00:19:40
nice thing about that is that there is. 00:19:44
Much more flexibility in how it can be executed, right? It doesn't have to be done all at once, whereas once you start moving to 00:19:49
level 2, you're starting to look at like. 00:19:53
Major parts of the building having to be done at once and major disruption, yeah. 00:19:57
OK. 00:20:02
Awesome. 00:20:03
Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Have a good evening. Dwayne. I thought you were gonna bring us some buns. 00:20:04
All right. 00:20:11
I don't know if you all saw Dwight is also a part owner in a a new small business. 00:20:13
It involves bones. It involves buns. 00:20:21
Really. 00:20:24
OK. 00:20:29
Crit Race Special event scheduling. 00:20:31
OK. If I space Ohh, yes, we're absolutely. 00:20:36
In our work session portion. 00:20:40
And so you'll remember last year, two years ago, we had a crit race. 00:20:42
That kind of surrounded this. 00:20:50
Building along Holiday Blvd. In 20-30 East. 00:20:54
That event was on a Sunday and it was it was problematic for some of our residents. 00:20:58
The crit race came to us last year and proposed moving that to a Saturday, which conflicted with our concert series. And so the 00:21:04
priority I heard from the council at the time was that we wanted to limit kind of invasive. 00:21:12
It. 00:21:22
Events that close require Rd. closures to three annually. 00:21:23
And that we were to prioritize our own events versus other events. 00:21:28
So the organizers have approached us again and would like to reengage conversations again looking at a Saturday. 00:21:36
But this time switching from the third Saturday of July to the first Saturday of July. 00:21:47
And there, which in some years could conflict with our 4th of July celebration. 00:21:56
In addition to our concerts. 00:22:03
They are hoping that we might be open to the idea of. 00:22:05
Maybe some programming with our concert series that might be more appropriate for a race? 00:22:12
Kind of event so not. 00:22:19
Not our singer-songwriter types, but maybe our cover band that might be fun for the race. 00:22:22
Um. 00:22:29
Their argument is that the racers bring economic activity to the village and that that is a benefit that we should be looking. 00:22:32
So Councilman Brewer and I met with the organizers. 00:22:42
I will say I I asked whether. 00:22:48
There was any significant change from what the Council had, the the concerns you had raised more than a year ago? 00:22:51
There were really none identified in terms of changes, but I agreed that I would bring this issue to you and see whether you're 00:23:01
open to it. 00:23:05
And whether in involving? 00:23:11
Like going a different direction with our concert on that one Saturday? It might be appealing. 00:23:15
Go ahead. I'm, I'm, I'm don't object at all to the race. I think it's a would be fun and cool. 00:23:24
But. 00:23:32
I also do not want it messing with. 00:23:33
Are the raging success of our summer concert series now, if the race is going to happen on the same day as a concert, and it can 00:23:36
be done in a way that doesn't. 00:23:40
Mess up. 00:23:46
The execution of the concert, and I think that probably could be done. I'm not the right person to really ask, but I know that. 00:23:48
You know the. 00:23:54
There's some setup that happens before the bulk of the Arts Council gets there to set up a table and chairs and. 00:23:56
And so. 00:24:03
You know the shell and Kathy Murphy would have the best input with regard to. 00:24:05
You know the the the requirements for the concerts during the day, during the time where the crit race would happen. I also have 00:24:11
no idea with regard to the crit races requirements for time of race and closing up shop and. 00:24:18
And how long you need to stay out of their way. 00:24:25
But I mean, if we can. 00:24:29
I'd hope we could maybe get this going without having to conflict with the concerts. 00:24:32
But I. 00:24:36
The concert series is such a raging success. 00:24:37
I wouldn't want to step on bat. 00:24:42
Uh. 00:24:44
To to step on something that's proven known positive. 00:24:45
Gets high thumbs ups from our community and put that at risk relative to something that. 00:24:49
Doesn't have that same feedback, yet it possibly could. 00:24:55
But um. 00:25:01
At this point it. 00:25:03
That's yet to be proven, but I think I'd I'd like I'd be OK with. 00:25:05
Seeing how it works, I mean, I think let's figure out if we actually do have a conflict before we assume there is. 00:25:10
Are they looking at an annual every year on the 1st Saturday in July? That's right. And then just in terms of time, so I'm sorry I 00:25:16
didn't say this, it's all day kind of ending around 9:00 PM. 00:25:23
Ohh yeah, 9:00 PM then. Definitely nukes a concert. Unless. 00:25:30
I mean less. It's a cover band. So what we've heard is that sometimes that happens frequently that there is concerts along with 00:25:35
the race and there is. 00:25:41
You know. 00:25:48
One feeds the other, right? 00:25:50
Well, I think it's worth a discussion. 00:25:52
Like I said, I think it's an exciting, it's a potentially exciting event. 00:25:57
Yeah, I'd say maybe OK, I'm not a thumbs down on it. I just want to be protective of. 00:26:04
Of that which we know is awesome already. 00:26:11
So the two priorities remain the same in terms of no more than three big events. 00:26:13
That close our streets and no conflict with our own events, Is that right? See. No reason to change that, OK? 00:26:21
Was what was the thinking on the moving from Sunday to Saturday and was that our idea, their idea and how does it affect? 00:26:29
Conflicts. It's was their idea. So the Sunday there, the races is held in two different venues on Saturday and Sunday. We were a 00:26:38
Sunday, the Sunday piece a couple of years ago and the difficulty with that was church access. 00:26:47
The charity was. 00:26:57
They were unable to to solve that issue and so in in recognition that that is. 00:26:59
That you know you can't reschedule church. They are proposing Sugar House Park on Sunday and Holiday on Saturday. 00:27:06
You know. 00:27:18
I would have a lot of concerns about this. 00:27:19
One would be. 00:27:22
Moving it from Sunday, that seems like a really minor problem to solve the church back here. 00:27:25
As opposed to. 00:27:32
What kind of problems are we going to generate on a Saturday? 00:27:34
Where it all along this route you're going to have people moving to all sorts of their Saturday activities. 00:27:39
To include activities here at the park and our own playground and our skate park and our pickleball courts And how's that access 00:27:46
going to work and. 00:27:50
Plus this is the a traffic crossroads for the whole part. Yeah. And so I have and it's an all day event, so. 00:27:55
We just had a massive event. 00:28:03
On Saturday and September, with the marathon and half marathon that was. 00:28:05
You know, logistically. 00:28:10
You know. 00:28:13
Taxing. 00:28:14
And it went from 6:00 AM to essentially what chief about noon one and then it was over. We were talking about an all day event. 00:28:15
That I'm not convinced. Somebody's going to have to convince me, tell me what the benefit is to the city of holiday, because I'm 00:28:25
not sold that there's really I see where there's benefit to the people doing the crit race. 00:28:31
But. 00:28:38
Do we think it's going to really benefit? 00:28:39
The City of Holiday. 00:28:42
We were sold that the marathon and half marathon would be a huge benefit to the city. I haven't heard any. 00:28:44
Anything to corroborate that? I don't know if you have China in terms of businesses saying, wow, that was. 00:28:51
Great for business and I think this is going to be an all day event. 00:28:57
With. 00:29:02
Road closures. 00:29:03
That I see. 00:29:05
Really. You know I'm. I'm also with you on the concert. But I'm also like what about sports on the field? What about pickleball? 00:29:09
What about skate park? What about the playground? What about access to the village and? 00:29:15
I don't see the benefit to this. For me, I see a lot of headache. 00:29:22
So I'm not. 00:29:26
Down to use one of our three. 00:29:29
Road closure events for the crit race unless. 00:29:31
You or somebody else in the city says this is going to be awesome for the city holiday. 00:29:35
Businesses. 00:29:40
So I'm not a. 00:29:42
I'm going to have to be sold on this one. 00:29:43
I remember going to the 1-2 years ago. 00:29:46
And I think. 00:29:50
The difference between the marathon and the crit race is the crit is just right here. 00:29:51
And there were people. 00:29:57
Lining the streets, Lining the sidewalks around here. 00:29:59
I think since it's more concentrated, the businesses in the village were definitely getting a lot more. 00:30:03
A lot more business. 00:30:09
I don't know how far out it it would spread. 00:30:11
But the business is right. 00:30:14
You know, along the stretch, along the route we're definitely getting. 00:30:16
Getting businesses. I think it's a really fun event. I was. I enjoyed it thoroughly. 00:30:21
And. 00:30:28
My question is why can't we? 00:30:29
Is there a possibility to consider the last Saturday in June rather than the first Saturday in July? 00:30:33
So I asked about that as well. I guess there's a national schedule that we're trying to OK into. 00:30:40
I'm a little bit confused as to what is **** music. I mean not. 00:30:48
And yeah, why does? Why do they think the cover band match is better than? 00:30:55
Other concerts, yeah, I think. And the cover band is just one illustration. I think they were just thinking louder music. 00:30:59
Ohh wonderful. That might be more appropriate for because they're. 00:31:09
The crit race does. It is kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So does it go, I mean, I don't understanding it right. Does it go the race 00:31:14
keep going into the evening so. 00:31:20
I It sounds like there are different categories, so individual races like you'll have. 00:31:27
You know, women, certain age group. 00:31:35
Certain length and there when I was there, I remember I was here for several hours and. 00:31:39
There were probably 3-4 or five different races during that period of time. 00:31:45
So. 00:31:50
Yeah, it's. 00:31:53
I don't know. I I think it's fun. I I'm I'm for it. 00:31:55
Well, so then maybe we would have to get more. 00:32:01
We'd have to get in more detail about how the the day would actually function in terms of where the race goes and. 00:32:05
How that would work? So can we do a concert if we're going to have a racers going around that? 00:32:12
8:00 at night. 00:32:17
Well, let's first see. 00:32:19
What years are going to be affected because maybe we. 00:32:22
You know we have July 4th. No, I mean we can't have them mess up our July 4th. They're going to raises on July 4th. July 4th is on 00:32:26
a Saturday. Too bad. So sad. 00:32:31
Well, it's Thursday. July 4th is on Thursday, right? I mean, we're talking about every year, right? Yeah. 00:32:36
And generally our first concert is the first Saturday after 4th of July. 00:32:42
But sometimes that first Saturday is going to be before 4th of July. 00:32:49
And. 00:32:55
I can certainly talk to the Arts Council. We're talking about scheduling our. 00:32:56
8 concerts plus 4th of July if we. 00:33:00
Move it a week or or integrate. 00:33:04
I think it's worth a discussion, but assuming we we get over the. 00:33:08
The hump of. 00:33:13
Even wanting to close down the. 00:33:14
City Center for the day, for the current race. I mean, that's the first hurdle, but. 00:33:16
I think. 00:33:22
I'm not. I I wouldn't shut it. I wouldn't speak for the Arts Councils. They were just going to shut it down and say no way go 00:33:23
away. 00:33:25
But. 00:33:29
I just want to make sure that overall we're protecting. 00:33:31
Something that's already a big hit, sure. 00:33:34
Just just a thought. It might it might make sense to have our new. 00:33:37
Arts and culture. 00:33:43
Designee weigh in on this. 00:33:45
I mean, this is a pretty big decision and. 00:33:47
I don't know if there's a timeline on on giving them an answer, but it might be nice to have that have that person weigh in. 00:33:51
I mean, it sounds like we have a range of opinions, but other than the mayor? 00:33:59
It sounds like I'm getting direction to to proceed with some conversations and see if we could. 00:34:06
If there is a way it could work. 00:34:13
Is that? Am I hearing that correctly? 00:34:18
Rescheduling standpoint, we could still do. 00:34:23
4th of July and eight concerts and still end in August because August 31st is you have 5 Saturdays in August, is that going to be? 00:34:26
Only raise it the 2nd. That's the this. 00:34:34
This year, this year, it's not always going to be like that. 00:34:38
I mean, I. 00:34:41
Personally, I don't mind having a conversation about it, but I think there are. 00:34:43
Some significant questions. 00:34:46
OK. 00:34:49
All right. Well, if that's the case, we'll we'll. 00:34:51
Explore it a bit and see if we can land and see where we land. I'll have. 00:34:54
We'll have a similar conversation with the Arts Council and then have our new Arts and Culture manager weigh in as well. 00:35:02
Alright, thank you. 00:35:13
Right on Labor Day weekend. 00:35:15
31st would be Labor Day. Labor Day weekend, Yeah, that's what When you do Blue Moon, it's the week before, so it would be the week 00:35:17
before. She'd have seven. So yeah, sorry, Tina, we were just. 00:35:22
Talking about. 00:35:27
If you aren't, we're going to go forward with it. One option would be to. 00:35:29
Not start your Saturday concerts until the week after the 4th. Not the 6th, but the 13th. 00:35:32
But then it takes us to the 31st, which is Labor Day weekend, which is not one to do Blue Moon. So you do 7 concerts, not eight. 00:35:38
Yeah, well, you do 8. You'd have two on Bloom and just do seven weekends. 00:35:43
So yeah, if that's what you wanted to do, that's probably what you'd have to do is. 00:35:48
Is say we're going to do our well. I assume we'll celebrate the 4th of July on the 4th Thursday. 00:35:54
And have a long weekend but not start the concerts. 00:36:00
If it's going to be competing with crit until the 13. 00:36:04
So anyway, so open to is. 00:36:08
Waiting or? 00:36:13
On what I mean, I had assumed that our schedule for concerts was going to be our schedule that that's kind of the approach that 00:36:15
we've taken. 00:36:18
It sounds like there might be flexibility there. 00:36:23
I'm not but. 00:36:29
I. 00:36:31
Trying to be open minded, but I also hate to. 00:36:33
Step on what the citizens are expecting and what have been working well. 00:36:36
And. 00:36:41
You know why we're they're asking us to bend a whole lot here. I would, I would. I think that goes against our policy, right? 00:36:42
And so I think it has to work with our concert. And if it can't, then crit. 00:36:50
That's my feeling is we don't adjust our concert series to accommodate the current event. Yeah. And so I think we're happy to look 00:36:56
at how it would go on a Saturday and if we can work it out. 00:37:01
It sounds like the council's open to it. 00:37:08
To take the next step in. 00:37:10
And I don't know when they need an answer, and that honestly wasn't clear to me either. But I'll reach back out to Eric and let 00:37:12
him know of kind of where we are in terms of this conversation and if there are alternatives in June or September. 00:37:20
But. 00:37:29
Yeah, I don't think we're willing to move the concert on the 6th of July because that will be a long weekend with the 4th being 00:37:30
Thursday and a lot of people will stay in town and. 00:37:36
I think they'll look forward to having the first contact of concern. 00:37:41
You've got a really successful thing going, this city sponsored. 00:37:45
And it's just really. 00:37:50
Hard to to move that for for this event, yeah. I'd rather be open to crit if it wasn't stepping on. 00:37:51
Right, one of our. 00:37:58
Hallowed. 00:37:59
Yeah, I'd rather do. Personally, I'd rather do. If there weren't going to do it, I'd rather do. 00:38:00
Sunday and be and. 00:38:07
Fix the problems they created at the church that ought to be solvable. 00:38:10
As opposed to all the other problems are going to create on a Saturday, but that's just me. 00:38:14
Anyway, I will communicate that thank you any kind of guidance. It did, it did. 00:38:19
It did. Thank you. 00:38:25
All right. 00:38:26
What's next? 00:38:28
Naming rights, naming rights. So earlier this summer we talked about. 00:38:31
The potential of getting something in ordinance that defined our contributions that can be made to the city. So this was at the. 00:38:40
Suggestion of our fundraising consultant. 00:38:56
Who is looking for sponsorships for? Well, both our skate park, which as the Mayor mentioned, where we have successfully funded 00:39:00
and then for our match for the historic experience. And so she was looking for some guidelines around sponsorships. 00:39:11
And the council earlier in the summer indicated you were open to that idea but wanted to see an ordinance. So that's what is in 00:39:22
front of you. 00:39:26
Umm. 00:39:31
This is based on work that both Salt Lake City and Lehigh have done. 00:39:33
And I would say this is more closely modeled on a Lehigh. 00:39:40
Ordinance. 00:39:47
So it sets up four different kinds of sponsorships. 00:39:49
A sponsorship for an amenity? 00:39:57
Sponsorship for trees. 00:40:00
Site specific event sponsorships. 00:40:03
And then fixed term sponsorships or naming rights. 00:40:08
It also defines categories for assets that would potentially be named and how we would recognize donations. 00:40:14
Set some standards for naming. 00:40:23
And talks about how we would either change or remove an asset name. 00:40:27
So this is really for I'm interested in comments and whether that is something that Council is still interested in looking at. 00:40:35
We had had a conversation about whether there were limits to who we would allow to donate to the city. 00:40:47
And I know, I don't know, Todd, if you want to speak to just the difficulties with doing that. 00:40:58
It just seems like a snake pit. 00:41:04
Umm. 00:41:06
From a legal standpoint, when you start to. 00:41:07
And I don't know how else to characterize it, but to kind of make value decisions about who contributes and get to naming right. 00:41:11
You jump right in the First Amendment concerns, and that lies. 00:41:16
Of our active difficulty, particularly for public agencies. 00:41:22
Your ability to restrict. 00:41:26
Has to be. 00:41:28
In some way content neutral and I don't know how you craft. 00:41:29
A content neutral regulation on who you would accept sponsorship from. 00:41:34
So I I just. 00:41:39
I can't get my arms or my head around. 00:41:41
An effective limitation that way. 00:41:44
So that's just something I think you need to factor in this decision. 00:41:47
So. 00:41:55
Could you do it by? 00:41:57
Instead of. 00:42:00
Specific entity but entity type. 00:42:01
Even if it's only accept naming rights from like. 00:42:05
Foundations or or. 00:42:09
Or. 00:42:12
Organizations that aren't necessarily just. 00:42:13
C Corps or LLC's But. 00:42:16
That are. 00:42:19
501C3 or otherwise you're just helping him to. 00:42:20
Jewel vaping can then you know? Sure, and I think you can. I just don't know if that's effective. 00:42:24
If the society, the societal foundation for the Society of separation is have had issues with these kind of things all over this 00:42:33
state, they filed several lawsuits, right? 00:42:37
If they decided they wanted naming rights and. 00:42:42
We they didn't meet a category, they would just create the organization within the category, right it it. 00:42:45
So I you could do that, I just don't know if it's effective. It ends up being an effective limitation. 00:42:51
You know, I'll chime in on on a positive note. 00:43:01
With. 00:43:04
I'm I'm looking at for example the purpose section where it talks about what types of. 00:43:05
Amenities or or assets can be named, including walkways and gathering spots and I'm thinking. 00:43:12
Instantly, for example, of our historic. 00:43:18
Exhibits. Experience exhibits. 00:43:21
Piece where we're trying to raise $370,000 or something like that. 00:43:24
And wondering if there is would be some. 00:43:31
Some entity that might be interested in having naming rights to that to, you know, in exchange for getting some money and that 00:43:35
might help getting getting donors. I mean this this seems like it it would be. 00:43:40
If we could craft it correctly. 00:43:46
It would be a dovetail piece to our friends of holiday. 00:43:48
Initiatives in, you know, so I think there's a lot of positive that could come from this. 00:43:52
I do share some of Todd's concern about you know you don't want to have. 00:43:57
Well, I don't want to say any names, but you don't want to. You don't. You don't want to have some some sort of odd brand. 00:44:02
Larry's bailing up in the city and it's a made-up name, but I mean, yeah, So what name did you say? Mary's bail Bonds. Yeah. Yeah, 00:44:09
yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Lefties bail bonds. Justice court, you know, you know, Justice court plaque or 00:44:14
something, you know. 00:44:20
But. 00:44:27
Anyway, I see I see a lot of positive in this and I'm I'm quite interested in it. Yeah, it's this way. 00:44:28
Yeah. I mean, the potential is there. 00:44:36
It just comes with some. 00:44:38
Some risk. 00:44:40
I mean. 00:44:42
You know our our stage and and. 00:44:43
All kinds of things. I mean, you could limit it to people's names instead of entity names, as long as they're not a felon. 00:44:46
Maybe you can? 00:44:53
Yeah, that you would be discrimination. I have a couple of It's all over the place in terms of every place you go there, Yeah. 00:44:55
Stages and this is our sponsor and this is our. 00:45:02
So. 00:45:07
People have figured it out. I hate to. 00:45:07
Talking about so, does this differ from, say for example, when I go to Red Butte for the concert series? 00:45:10
It's the Wells Fargo stage and the they're sponsors up there, so. 00:45:17
It doesn't differ. 00:45:23
So they what's the risk then that if somebody comes in and says, yeah, I'll. 00:45:25
Lefties bail. Bonds wants to be the sponsor of the stage. They have to say yes. Sure. And if they pony up enough, yeah. 00:45:29
If that's what they want the money, right? 00:45:35
So I mean, you've done, you've done this before in this city. 00:45:38
Do you have plaques? 00:45:41
With the playground here, yeah, and there are bricks with names on them. 00:45:43
From donors. 00:45:47
You've done that and it wasn't a negative experience in any way, shape or form. I don't want to deter your consideration of 00:45:48
something that's really, really useful and valuable to the city. I just think you're going with your eyes open, right? That 00:45:52
you're. 00:45:56
You're taking a risk that. 00:46:01
However, minimal, yeah, you are. 00:46:03
Is there actually a Lefties Bail bonds? 00:46:05
I was just using that, but there's not actually in there. I was just laughing. Listen to this and say one of my dearest friends is 00:46:08
Beehive Bail Bonds, so I understand where exactly where you're going, but that real shady character is is. 00:46:14
You know you want to be able to control it and to some extent you're going to lose a little bit control if you go forward with it, 00:46:21
but. 00:46:24
Some would say Wells Fargo is a criminal organization. What did I say? Oh. 00:46:28
I mean, they have been fined billions of dollars. 00:46:33
So are they erased that from the minute? 00:46:37
Are the categories. 00:46:42
There's the sponsorship category and then these other categories, so are those contemplating? 00:46:44
Some sort of naming apart from a donation. 00:46:51
Well, like so category one is sponsorships. 00:46:58
Category 2 is. 00:47:02
City recognitions. 00:47:04
Would that? 00:47:05
Sponsorships involve a monetary contribution and others would be. 00:47:07
For. 00:47:11
Other contributions to the city that are. 00:47:12
Perhaps monetary? 00:47:15
Why that's such a good question? That's the way it looks like it's written. 00:47:19
But I. 00:47:24
I think I have some recollection of. Actually in Lehigh they have named certain. 00:47:26
Park Things are after families that have made significant contributions to the community historically. 00:47:31
So they aren't just monetary donations there? 00:47:36
The Todd Godfrey Skate park. 00:47:42
That does not exist either here or in Lehigh. 00:47:45
Although I'm in favor of light.