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OK, Welcome everybody to. 00:00:03
Holiday City Council meeting Thursday November 16th, one week from Thanksgiving. 00:00:07
Day. 00:00:16
No. Five days, 05 days. That's right, Five days from Election Day. So everybody get out and vote. 00:00:19
And we have to welcome the chief back to he's been convalescing. 00:00:28
So we're not used to seeing you in your city, so. 00:00:33
So welcome back. OK, we are going to get going. We'll start with our pledge. 00:00:37
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:00:49
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:54
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:57
OK. Thank you. We have, we're going to go to public comment just shortly. We do have one public hearing on proposed budget 00:01:06
amendments and I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's probably not anybody here to address the budget amendments, but there 00:01:11
may be. 00:01:15
But if you are here to address the budget amendments, wait just a moment till we get through with public comment. So we'll open up 00:01:20
public comment. Anybody here to address the Council on any issues other than the budget amendments? 00:01:25
There being none, we will close public comment and move to item number 4. This is the public hearing on proposed 2023-2024. 00:01:35
Budget amendments, that the budget amendments are in your Packet Council. 00:01:44
I believe Gina did kind of review what these were going to be at the last council meeting and they're enclosed in the packet, so. 00:01:50
Questions from the council Well, you know what, Gina, Why don't you just walk through them with us briefly and then we'll see if 00:01:59
we have questions. 00:02:03
I printed them out and then failed to bring them. 00:02:10
So we have this is it for our city of very large budget amendments affecting 4 different funds. I'll start with a general fund. 00:02:13
We have a couple of changes in the general fund. One reflects the direction I had from the Council. 00:02:22
Due to Cheryl Gilliland's retirement, the council discussed. 00:02:31
Converting the Arts Council executive director, which is a part-time position to an arts and culture. 00:02:38
Manager position as a full time position, and so this budget amendment reflects that change. 00:02:46
And a portion I've made an allocation of 75% of that position going to the Arts Council and 25% remaining in the general fund. 00:02:54
Associated with the historical Commission and our historic experience. And so you see those increases there in next year's budget, 00:03:09
we'll see larger increases. This really reflects 7 years of that or seven months of that increase. 00:03:16
We also have had a staff resignation in our building services area in community and economic development. 00:03:26
And our employee was out for a period of time which resulted in the need for increased contract inspection services. 00:03:36
And that is reflected in this budget amendment as. 00:03:46
So those are the general fund changes asking for the use of $57,000 in fund balance from the general fund to fund those changes. 00:03:51
In the capital projects fund we are would be amending the budget. 00:04:04
And. 00:04:10
$905,000 of fund balance, although I realized that I left out another line item so would be a little over $950,000 with that 00:04:12
included. 00:04:17
And that's for a number of. 00:04:24
Expenses. Last year the council had authorized Sumser escaping of islands on Highland Drive and that was meant to be completed in 00:04:28
the last fiscal year. The contractor did not get started on that until after July 1, and so money that you had previously 00:04:35
appropriated. 00:04:42
Was not used and became will become part of this year's fund balance. We're just asking for it to be used. 00:04:51
To reflect that time difference. 00:04:59
Then the council has previously talked about a study for the spring potential Spring Lane Park. 00:05:03
And so we're asking for $100,000 for concept design and in public engagement for that project. 00:05:12
We have an RFP that has been issued in the last week or so for that work. 00:05:20
And so at this point, that $100,000 is really a placeholder pending a better number in response to that RFP. 00:05:27
Then we have. 00:05:37
We have a grant funded project for sidewalk improvements on 27th East. 00:05:41
That is a program that requires a large match, and so we'll be using two or asking for $200,000. 00:05:49
Of match from the Capital Projects fund to be transferred to the Grants fund to be used as a match for that project. 00:05:59
There's an offset. We had $100,000 set aside for sidewalk improvement projects. 00:06:07
We're using 100,000 of that money, so it's really a net increase of 100,000 from from balance. 00:06:13
Then. 00:06:24
We have. We are ready to enter into a contract for our historic experience. 00:06:26
That is a project that is $850,000 and previously. 00:06:36
As you're aware, we received a grant of $600,000 from Salt Lake County Track funds. 00:06:43
And the council in this year's budget, had appropriated $100,000 to be used as that match. 00:06:50
Which leaves a difference of $150,000. 00:06:57
Our intention is to continue fundraising for. 00:07:03
That $150,000. 00:07:08
But I am reluctant to enter into a contract without that money secured and I'm hoping that the council well, I'm really raising 00:07:11
this with the council. 00:07:17
To make sure that in absence of those funds being raised, you're still comfortable you'd be comfortable. 00:07:24
Filling that gap with capital projects fund. 00:07:33
So I think that's a discussion for the Council to have, but I prepared the budget amendment anticipating that the council would 00:07:38
want to basically fund that match at a full 250. 00:07:45
We have also received a. 00:07:55
Grant from the federal government for $6.7 million. 00:07:59
For bridge. 00:08:07
Upgrades on a bridge over Cottonwood Creek on Highland Drive, we have a very small match in relationship to the overall project 00:08:09
cost, but it's still $480,000 and that transfer is reflected in the capital projects fund appropriation as well. 00:08:18
And. 00:08:30
Umm. 00:08:34
We have received corridor preservation dollars for a right of way purchase on holiday circle. 00:08:37
There are some costs that are not eligible for. 00:08:47
Reimbursement through that grant and that's about $10,000. And so this budget amendment also reflects transfer to cover that those 00:08:51
additional costs. And then finally I wanted to ask. 00:08:59
The council about some historic signs for the Cottonwood area. 00:09:07
And and Mayor, I don't know whether you want to, we have time in the work session to talk about. 00:09:14
The budget amendment specifically, and I've got some photos to share. I don't know if you'd rather. 00:09:22
Have those photos shared now or in the work session? In the work session OK. 00:09:28
So those are the capital projects fund amendments. 00:09:36
The amendment that I forgot to include from Capital Projects fund is $50,000 that the Council has previously indicated they were 00:09:41
supportive of. 00:09:46
To do some cost estimates on the size well on the building remodel project. 00:09:52
So I would add $50,000 to this budget amendment prior to your approval of it. 00:09:59
To cover those costs, do we need to have, well, we need a separate public hearing for that. 00:10:06
OK, so when we see this come up for. 00:10:12
There will be an additional 50,000 we'll have to take. 00:10:16
Revenue up from the fund balance $50,000 and then add that in as a line item. That's right. 00:10:20
I've got some questions, but I think it's probably more appropriate that I ask them in the work session where we have this agenda. 00:10:26
That sounds good. 00:10:30
Then in terms of the grants account, you'll see the recognition of. 00:10:35
Both our track fund, our state funding for 27th East and our corridor preservation grant as well as the transfer from capital 00:10:43
projects for all those projects I just described. 00:10:50
And then on the Arts fund, you'll see the transfer from the general fund for the increase in the salary and benefits associated 00:10:59
with our Arts and Culture manager. 00:11:05
So that one we have that transfers. 00:11:13
The General fund, the General Fund. But the 8012 is not part of that. No, that stays in the General Fund for the historic. 00:11:17
Commission doesn't have a separate fund like Arts does. It's a it's a enterprise fund and so it has to move. 00:11:29
Gotcha. 00:11:35
Any so we do have this agenda for the work session, so if we've got any questions we can dig into it but any? 00:11:39
Questions you want to ask Tina before we open the public hearing. 00:11:47
OK. 00:11:54
Thanks Tina. And with that. 00:11:55
We will open up the public hearing on proposed 2023-2024 budget amendments, Anybody wishing to address the Council on the budget 00:11:58
amendments. 00:12:02
As posted on the in the pack. 00:12:07
OK, there be none. We will close that public hearing. Then we move to item number 5 on the agenda. This is. 00:12:12
This is a cell tower we lease we have up in the Stratton Park area. 00:12:19
And there's just been, it sounds like there's been an additional expansion. I'm going to let Todd and. 00:12:25
Gina, whoever you would like Gina cover kind of the the overview of what this is and. 00:12:31
Then we can take it to a vote or. 00:12:37
Any of you? 00:12:40
So at the top of the strategic argument. 00:12:44
Installation. 00:12:49
Verizon. 00:12:52
The city to expand that site and also the compensation of the city. 00:12:55
The area that's being proposed to be expanded into is already. 00:13:05
Your wife wants to know when you're going to be home for dinner. 00:13:15
That's surrounded by existing gravel area that's already sort of semi used by the utility company or the telecommunication 00:13:23
companies. 00:13:27
Parking the trucks and things. 00:13:31
So they're requesting to expand that fence up area by 24 by 12 foot section. 00:13:33
More cabinetry for their own equipment. 00:13:43
There will be in addition to the tower antenna array, but not an additional. 00:13:46
This usually isn't related to. 00:13:53
Space. 00:14:00
Yeah. 00:14:05
Drew may be familiar with this site, I don't know if anybody else. 00:14:07
Right next to the freeway, Yeah. 00:14:11
You know, when I was talking to Tanjina about it, this is. 00:14:16
Valuable property to the city and there's a little park there that's not used a lot, but my understanding is that. 00:14:20
That what they're asking for doesn't even encroach on. 00:14:28
That park space, so this is insignificant in terms of its impact from. 00:14:31
From a land perspective, at least in my opinion, to the city, and there's already an existing easement for them to get in to the 00:14:36
cell site and maintain it so. 00:14:41
All it does is add revenue to the current. 00:14:47
We have a current lease rate coming in that I think is a couple $1000 a month. This adds another 800 something like that. 00:14:50
To that lease rate. So that's the usual impact. 00:14:57
Chain. 00:15:02
Probably the top would be barbed wire inside. You'll see. 00:15:03
Very utilitarian type metal cabinets with door walking doors. 00:15:07
But it's sort of behind the landscaped area. 00:15:13
Some buffered by some. 00:15:16
And so the changes are all on the ground level, not on the tower itself. There will be an additional array on the tower. 00:15:20
Existing. They usually replace what's there, or they'll. 00:15:28
OK. 00:15:33
OK. Any more questions for John? 00:15:39
Happy to take a motion. 00:15:49
Mr. Mayor, I move approval of. 00:15:53
Resolution 2023-31 approving the 3rd Amendment to the cell tower lease agreement with. 00:15:56
CCMILC. 00:16:04
Do I have an? 00:16:08
Agenda. I have it as 30. 00:16:10
The one I picked up in the halls was 31. Pardon when I picked up in the hall says 31. OK, so this one is 31 and the court is 32. 00:16:25
So the motion is correct. 00:16:29
And it's been seconded. OK, hold on a second because I'm getting, I'm getting a funny face from Gina down there. Will you approve 00:16:37
the resolution that's in the packet without a number and direct us to number it accordingly, just in case we did 31 at the last 00:16:41
council meeting? 00:16:46
Do you want me to rest? 00:16:55
If you can just restate as. 00:16:57
Ask. That'll be fine. 00:16:59
Because Stephanie knows what I'm asking. 00:17:02
So I'm still a bit confused. 00:17:06
If you'd move approval of the resolution without a number, OK. 00:17:10
All right, Mr. Mayor. 00:17:14
Urge approval of resolution. 00:17:19
Yet to be. 00:17:22
Approving the 3rd amendment to the cell tower lease agreement with CCMI LLC. I'll second. OK, we have a motion in a second. We'll 00:17:24
go to vote on this one, Council member. 00:17:29
Brewer, Council Member Fotheringham, yes. Councilmember Durham, yes. Councilmember Quinn, yes. Councilmember Gibbons, yes and 00:17:34
chair votes, yes. 00:17:38
That lease amendment is approved. Thank you. So I assume we're going to have this, we'll do that in the same motion on this one as 00:17:44
well, just number it later. So this is just the recertification of the holiday Justice Court and I'll let either Todd or Jean or 00:17:50
whoever would like just give us an overview of why we're doing this and what it means. 00:17:56
Every four years, the state law requires that we go through a process to. 00:18:02
I guess assure that we're meeting the requirements of law for the operation of our Justice Court. We are coming into that four 00:18:08
year cycle now. I've provided an opinion letter to you. There's a packet of information that we're required to submit back to the 00:18:13
state. 00:18:18
Division of Courts. And we're asking for your approval of this resolution so that we can recertify our Justice Court. 00:18:24
Any questions for? 00:18:33
Mr. Mayor, I'll make this motion. I went through this three times when I was the judge, so I move adoption of the resolution, yet 00:18:36
to be numbered, requesting the recertification of the holiday Justice Court. 00:18:41
Second OK, motion in a second. We'll go to vote Councilmember Brewer, yes, Councilmember Fotheringham, yes. Councilmember Durham 00:18:48
yes. Councilmember Quinn yes. Councilmember Gibbons and Chair vote yes. And that recertification is approved. 00:18:55
Thank you, Council, and we'll move right to Gina for city manager. 00:19:02
It would be totally reasonable for every Member of this Council to think that our spares projects may never. 00:19:12
I wondered. 00:19:20
More concerned about your receptionist with the check. 00:19:22
Contract. 00:19:49
As. 00:19:56
Have another couple of pieces of good news to share. We have extended and offer that has been accepted for our arts and culture 00:20:01
management. 00:20:05
Subject is the current number of. 00:20:13
Sounds like a rock group. 00:20:24
Sounds like they're working on the stairs again. 00:20:27
They want to be done by Thanksgiving. 00:20:32
And finally, we're we're. 00:20:36
Anything for Gina before she sits down. 00:20:57
OK. Thanks, Tina. 00:21:02
We'll move to council reports. Dan, why don't we start with you and we'll work our way down the line. 00:21:03
Boy, that's a nice groove, whatever it is. 00:21:11
I don't. I don't have anything good to be back. I've been gone a bit health wise and. 00:21:16
I do. I am pleased to see that the speed signs the the. 00:21:22
Fixed speed signs on 6200 S are both working. 00:21:28
And they're great. I think it's already slowed the traffic down. I don't. 00:21:32
Decrease in complaints, but very grateful to see those up and anyway, that's all I've got. 00:21:37
Good to have you back. Good to. 00:21:43
Thank you. I have attended community council meetings at Driggs Elementary and Churchill Junior High. 00:21:46
At Driggs, I told them about the sidewalk project the city will be putting. 00:21:54
A sidewalk along 27th East, along the east side of the street. It'll take three years. It'll happen in three sections. 00:22:00
When I told the principal and the community council, they were absolutely thrilled and they said to pass along their their. 00:22:09
Really excited about it. 00:22:16
It might be somebody'd cell phone. It's like, you know, cell phones will do that sometimes, don't they? If they're close to 00:22:23
something that transmits, maybe, maybe just move them away from the mics, I don't know. 00:22:27
Was it mine? 00:22:36
OK. And then Ed Churchill. 00:22:46
They are really excited about the rankings that came out recently there. 00:22:50
I'm very. 00:22:55
That they're quite a bit on top as far as other junior highs in the area, so they're excited about that both of. 00:22:58
Meetings. There was a portion talking about dogs and. 00:23:07
Not only. 00:23:11
Valentine's left behind. 00:23:13
But also even dog owners bringing their dogs. 00:23:15
Onto the playground. 00:23:20
During school hours, which of course, is completely prohibited. 00:23:21
I've talked to Chief Hoyle and as usual, he'll be right on us. 00:23:26
Actually a number one priority for a lot of people I've talked to. 00:23:33
For the new Spring Lane Park is to have a dedicated. 00:23:37
Fenced off dog park where dog owners can bring their dogs and. 00:23:42
Have it to themselves and not be worried about getting kicked off. 00:23:47
And that's all I have. 00:23:52
OK. 00:23:54
I had I attended this Skyline Community Council meeting this morning and had a similar experience with. 00:23:58
What Drew just described They're really happy about their rankings and did very well compared to their peer. 00:24:04
Institutions and I also got some great feedback on Drew. 00:24:11
Some of the people there were also on the Churchill Community Council and they mentioned what a great representative Drew was. 00:24:18
Well, thank you. Yeah, So that was really nice. 00:24:21
This past Saturday, the tree committee did a service project at the Pines Park. 00:24:28
And we clean things up a little bit, did a little bit of pruning, but mostly cut back some sod around some of the trees and put in 00:24:33
some mulch to kind of help them get a little more water and. 00:24:38
Nutrition and that was a really great thing. We had about 8 or 10 volunteers there and spend about an hour and a half or two hours 00:24:45
doing that. 00:24:49
It was a nice day and everything went really well, so that was great and that's my. 00:24:53
Thank. 00:24:58
First, first thanks to John. He's been working with me on a problem remodel house in our in our neighborhood. 00:25:01
It's kind of an ongoing trouble. It's not that the problem is solved, but we're trying to deal with some constituent issues for 00:25:11
neighbors around the problem house, but. 00:25:16
Appreciate his assistance in giving me information that I could share with. 00:25:21
With the neighbors. 00:25:26
Also, just prior to coming here, I went to the Mill Creek City Hall, open house. Wow. It's kind of a Taj Mahal down there. It's 00:25:29
impressive. It's a lovely building. So congratulations to Mayor Silvestrini. 00:25:34
And the Mill Creek City Council. I had a nice long talk with John Miller, their city engineer. 00:25:40
And and a number of other staff down there and. 00:25:48
One interesting thing I just kind of gathered from those conversations is there's just a lot of good feeling. 00:25:53
Among the Mill Creek City staff with the partnership they have with Holiday City and the Holiday staff. 00:25:59
They all seem to be very. 00:26:05
Happy with the partnerships that we have and that it's been very mutually productive for both of us. And on the course I, I, I 00:26:07
shared that same feeling that we, we feel similarly that they're a great sister city to partner with on a lot of issues. 00:26:14
And they were particularly grateful for their ability to move their Justice Court services to us, so that cut their costs in half 00:26:20
essentially. 00:26:24
And it was just they were ecstatic to be able to work with us on that instead of who they had to deal with with the county and 00:26:28
such and. 00:26:32
And but a lot of those conversations were all just extremely positive and delighted to be working as much as they do with the city 00:26:37
of Holiday. So there's a lot of mutual fan club there. 00:26:41
Among the city, I also noticed though they've got gobs of offices with nameplates of all kinds of programs, that they just must 00:26:46
have some serious budget over there and. 00:26:51
I. 00:26:57
Desire to replicate that size of of. 00:26:59
You know program and edifice, I mean we're we're half their size. 00:27:04
Anyway, I don't know what the size of their budget is relative to ours, but I thought. 00:27:08
Lots of stuff going on over there that I don't think we necessarily need at this point, but that's probably more editorial comment 00:27:13
that we need to share, but. 00:27:17
Lastly, also I wanted to echo. 00:27:21
Gina's. 00:27:25
Announcement and my pleasure at being able to announce that Megan Aderman is our new executive. 00:27:28
Director of the Arts Council. She's been a fairly new member of the Arts Council. 00:27:35
She helped take on the the Children's Theatre piece. That's kind of her area of expertise, but. 00:27:41
Until she interviewed and provided a resume, I had no idea how how deep her connections are in the county arts infrastructure and 00:27:48
community. 00:27:52
And I believe she's going to be able to bring or extend our arts program to our citizens to include county arts programs and 00:27:58
perhaps be able to also draw in resources from the county arts program into the city, so. 00:28:04
I think she's she's an excellent choice and I think we're going to get a whole lot of quality value out of that higher. So I'm 00:28:11
excited about it. That's all I have. 00:28:15
So far so good. I'll be careful. 00:28:26
I don't have a lot to to say this week other than I'll just. 00:28:29
Echo the thanks expressed to Chief Hoyle for his responsiveness. 00:28:34
To citizen complaints. 00:28:39
We've had some speeding questions along Holiday Blvd. just on the West side of the City Hall here that he's been very responsive 00:28:40
on. 00:28:44
Some dog issues. 00:28:48
I wonder how far people will, practically speaking travel to go walk their dogs. And so I don't know how how beneficial Springland 00:29:21
to be from that. But it is an issue and it's it's something for I think to all. 00:29:26
Not top of mind, but in mind anyways as we're trying to do that. So that's all I have this week. 00:29:33
Well, hopefully. 00:29:42
Part of the $100,000 or? 00:29:44
Kind of allocating to bring on a consultant to help us really study and vet that with the community and see what's possible. So, 00:29:47
but it's going to be a great fun opportunity to look into that, just a couple of things. 00:29:53
UH Paul came to the interfaith service Sunday. We held it over at the. 00:30:01
LDS Stake Center on BE. 00:30:06
It was. I thought it was very good. 00:30:10
Terrific couple. 00:30:13
Very impressive youth speaker. 00:30:14
Holiday attends the Ames Academy at Cottonwood High School and then Sydney Dr. Sydney Shorter spoke. She is the CEO of the Black 00:30:18
Chamber. Moved here about a year and a half ago from Baton Rouge, LA. Jason Woodland introduced me to her and we started up a 00:30:25
conversation like you should speak at our interfaith service and she, I thought knocked it out of the park and the Cottonwood 00:30:33
madrigals performed and it was just it was just a wonderful event, great way to start the holiday season. 00:30:41
Rob Neidiger, you know well, I actually think you're related to Rob, right? 00:30:50
Rob, Rob said we had about 450 to 500 people there for the event, which is typically about what we're drawing, but. 00:30:54
The the facility I thought was great. 00:31:03
And you know, they had some folks there that set it up, which we weren't anticipating when we got that result ready to go. And so 00:31:07
it was just a great. 00:31:10
You know, great event, great way to. 00:31:15
You know, great way to shepherd in Thanksgiving and a great way to kind of kick off the holiday season. So kudos to Bridgette 00:31:17
Weir, who chairs the Interfaith Council and all the all the members that participated. 00:31:24
Like some of you, I finally got to a Cottonwood High School Community Council meeting, met, met Mike Douglas, their principal, and 00:31:32
got to sit in and listen to some of the the challenges they're going through at Cottonwood High School and things they're doing. 00:31:37
And so it was good to link up with them. 00:31:42
And just a couple of events. A Cresty Elementary this week had a Ruby Bridges walk which I was not really familiar with. I hate to 00:31:49
admit that, but it but I learned a lot about. 00:31:54
She was one of the first to integrate schools in Louisiana back in 1960, and so they celebrated that with a walk of their 00:32:01
elementary schools. Matt was out of town or would have been there. He was working. 00:32:06
And. 00:32:13
And then they are having also the ribbon. 00:32:14
I believe on Monday. 00:32:17
They have. 00:32:20
An amount of money to allow them to put a fully accessible playground in at Crestview Elementary. It's really quite an inspiring 00:32:25
story. They had a student there who had some disabilities and wasn't able to get on the playground and so these parents got 00:32:31
together and. 00:32:36
Called me on a zoom call and said how can we raise the money and I said well you can do it privately but essentially said. 00:32:43
How much we raised here, I said good luck if you want to raise $100,000, but that's how you have to do it and they've done it. 00:32:50
And I think it's just absolutely incredible. And so I think their ribbon cutting is going to be on Monday. I'll be there. I think 00:32:58
it's Monday. I'll look and see, but. 00:33:02
Anyway. 00:33:08
A couple of the couple of the the parents involved both received. 00:33:10
Helping Hands awards Lauren Anderson and Barbara. 00:33:15
Thompson, Thompson, Barbara. Thompson. I think. 00:33:20
I mean, just an incredible community to be able to rally around an issue like that. 00:33:23
And to go raise that kind of money. 00:33:29
To make sure that that playground is accessible to anybody who would like to play on it, I thought was really neat. And they're 00:33:32
going to, they're going to name it after the. 00:33:37
I think he's at Olympus Junior now and I can't remember his name, but anyway, I just thought it was really, really cool. 00:33:42
Anyway, and that's all I have so. 00:33:50
With that, I would take a motion to recess, council to a work session and we'll go right into the business Advisory Board. 00:33:53
Mr. Mayor, I move. We adjourn City Council and reconvene in a work session. 00:34:01
Second OK, Motion is second. All in favor, say aye. 00:34:06
And we are recessed to the work session. 00:34:11
And so item A is, I think everybody knows we've been working on this. 00:34:15
Business Advisory Board and putting that together and I'm going to ask Anne Francis Garcia to come up who economic development and 00:34:22
housing director. She's been kind of charged with this. 00:34:28
Working on this project and let her kind of give you a little bit of an overview and then we'll get into some introductions. 00:34:34
Good evening. 00:34:52
Yes, we've been working. We had our interviews. We had about 20 people apply for the business Advisory Board. 00:34:55
We interviewed. 00:35:04
And we accepted 10. We're down to 9/1. 00:35:07
Commit. So we have 9 board members on the Business Advisory Board. We had our first meeting on October 26th. 00:35:13
So we developed our bylaws, scheduled a calendar for their meetings. It's going to be the third Wednesday of. 00:35:24
Every. 00:35:33
And. 00:35:34
We have our nine, actually 27, that are here tonight. Two are out of town, so I will. 00:35:37
All of them up, one at a time. We'll have Jill font and they'll give a little information about themselves. 00:35:49
And why they joined the business Advisory Board kind of what their goal is and being a part of the board? 00:35:56
So Jill, do you want to come up? 00:36:04
I think you guys might remember Jill as being introduced as a planning commissioner too, so she's now got two non paying jobs in 00:36:11
the city. 00:36:15
That just shows you how valuable I am. 00:36:21
I share that same value, so well, good evening. 00:36:26
So I love this little town. I've been here for 3 1/2 years or so and I I've got a careers worth of business experience. 00:36:31
But I'm retired now. 00:36:44
And I wanted to contribute to this town in some way. So I met with Mr. Mayor and said, you know, here's my experience I've got. 00:36:46
30 years of owning a business and a lot of years as an executive coach and management consultants in several years running a non 00:36:59
not-for-profit organization, actually the US Tennis Association. And so with all of that what could I do? I had no idea what was 00:37:05
available and and he said, well I have two ideas maybe the the Planning Commission and this business Advisory Board that we're 00:37:12
forming. 00:37:19
And so much to my delight I I applied for both and I was selected for both. So it's really been a pleasure. It's been the the 00:37:26
Planning Commission is a bit of a heavy lift because I don't know anything about city planning, but I'm learning quickly. The 00:37:35
business Advisory Board is just delightful and I I think we've we're off to a fast start. I think we are really going to make a 00:37:43
difference in this community. It's just a delight to serve with Anne and with Jason at the helm. So I'm just. 00:37:52
Just tickled to be part of it. So thank you. So Jill, could you, I mean, sorry not to take too much time, but. 00:38:01
Just briefly talk a little bit about the bulk of your professional career, which I thought was interesting and Paul might since he 00:38:08
worked at the support small for many, many years at the sports mall really. So I ran a tennis, an association for racquet sports 00:38:16
retailers and even though it was a trade association, I owned it and it was, we had 7000 members worldwide. We had an office here 00:38:25
in the United States and we had an office in the UK, an office in Tokyo and an office in Melbourne, Australia. 00:38:33
I own that for 20 years and sold it and then thought at that point I would finish my career. But I was 45 years old and I wasn't 00:38:41
ready to be finished. So I did some executive coaching and management consulting for 10 years and then decided I wanted to get my 00:38:49
arms wrapped around A-Team again. So there was a position that came available with the US Tennis Association and I went back and 00:38:57
and was hired as the Chief Operating Officer for the. 00:39:05
Eastern section of the USTA. 00:39:14
So I did that for the last few years of my career. So most of my career was spent in racquet sports and primarily in tennis. So 00:39:16
now most of the work I do, my volunteer work and board work, is involved in some manner of of the tennis industry. So I'm really 00:39:23
happy to branch out and be involved in community work here on holiday. 00:39:30
Find. 00:39:38
OK. Thank you. 00:39:40
Our next board member is Ken Melby. 00:39:47
Hi. 00:39:55
I'm Kenneth Melby. 00:39:56
Yesterday I'm representing Melbie Management Holiday Village in my Pie Pizza. 00:39:59
But I really feel like what I'm representing is holiday. 00:40:05
I love this town and my goal in joining. 00:40:10
Was, you know, I'm already heavily involved. I wanted to. 00:40:13
Have a formal position where I could offer some expertise and some help to those in the community. 00:40:18
And frankly, I'm already talking to a lot of these business owners anyway. 00:40:24
And it would be it's. I've noticed that. 00:40:29
There can be a gap between. 00:40:32
What they're seeing and. 00:40:34
Holiday might be hearing from them I. 00:40:37
I would like to see a conduit where there's a more open communication between some of the business owners in this community and 00:40:41
this group here and the Planning Commission and some of the city staff and. 00:40:46
Frankly, Anne's doing a fantastic job setting that up. So thrilled to be a part of this and really looking forward to helping out. 00:40:52
Yeah. Thank you. Thanks absolutely. 00:41:03
Next we have Suresh or Sam. 00:41:09
All right, my name is Suresh Rohas, also known as Sam. I own Code Ninja. Here. In holiday, we just. 00:41:18
One center after successful after a great success in Draper. And what we do is provide technology education to kids from 00:41:27
elementary and middle school kids. 00:41:32
I've been in technology carrier for last 30 years, build a lot of products for NASA, Navy, Army, Air Force and I'm trying to bring 00:41:38
that education to the early age kids because they are very creative. 00:41:44
One fine day I received an e-mail from Ann regarding this position and I thought, what a great opportunity to be part of it. 00:41:50
And that's how I applied and I'm here and I'm very, very excited to be part of the board. Couple of meetings that we had. I'm 00:41:58
learning quite a bit and I think I can contribute quite a bit to the success of this city. 00:42:04
Thank you. Thank you. 00:42:11
Next we have Isabella Miller. 00:42:17
Good evening. Thank you for having us here tonight. I am an owner of a small home business called Growing Curiosity. I am a 00:42:24
leadership coach and a trainer, and I also have 15 years of public and private experience, mostly in. 00:42:34
Leadership as well. 00:42:44
When similar to what Sam just said when I got the e-mail. 00:42:47
It was like, wow, what a great opportunity to contribute to the community. I've been in holiday for only five years, but it feels 00:42:53
for me like home. 00:42:58
I always wanted to be part of something bigger and what a beautiful chance it is for me to contribute the knowledge that I gain 00:43:05
the mentoring I received and now pass it to other businesses and. 00:43:11
Minimize the gap then maybe exists between the city, the businesses and all of us who use those businesses every day. 00:43:18
So I'm excited for this opportunity and. 00:43:27
To be part of it. Thank you. 00:43:30
Next we have Diane. 00:43:38
Thank you for letting me come this evening. 00:43:48
My name is Diane Hazen. I'm on Diamond's Custom Jewellers and Holiday. I've had the same location for 30 years. I've spent my life 00:43:52
since I was 16 years old in a jewelry store. 00:43:57
Certified in everything, so I feel pretty good. I moved here from Boise 35 years ago to be district manager for Park City 00:44:03
Jewelers, of which we opened one of the stores at Cottonwood Mall. 00:44:08
And we opened one on Main Street. 00:44:14
Spent five years with that program and decided, you know, I live in the Valley. 00:44:18
I want to open my. 00:44:23
And ten years ago I was lucky enough to buy my commercial building on 60th Highland Drive. 00:44:25
I feel very blessed and privileged to be on this committee and that's why I applied for it. I think I've seen my friends go out of 00:44:31
a Cottonwood mall and now they're wanting to come back. I belong to Lifetime Fitness out in South Jordan. It's unbelievable 00:44:37
fitness center. 00:44:44
And they're really excited about joining. 00:44:50
In fact, I hear it's going to be the nicest lifetime. 00:44:55
So I visited the one in Phoenix and in Scottsdale they have rooftop pools. I don't know how they're going to do that, but it was 00:45:00
pretty cool. 00:45:04
But I feel very blessed. I I think we have something in holiday that is far superior to anything I've ever seen. 00:45:10
I have lots of family in Boise and Boise has grown, Salt Lake's grown. It's just an incredible place to live and having spent the 00:45:17
time I spent in Park City and still spend up there, I like to golf. 00:45:24
And I. 00:45:31
An exciting venture that we have for the businesses here. 00:45:34
And every one of those businesses in Cottonwood Mall. 00:45:38
I know they will have the new Council support. 00:45:42
And I'm just totally thrilled to be part of this. 00:45:46
Thanks. Thank you. Welcome. 00:45:53
OK, before I bring the chair and vice chair up, there were two individuals that weren't able to make it. One was Mike Hill with 00:46:01
Mike Hill Consulting and the other one is Jonas Perch. He's the president and COCEO of OFS Interiors. They're located right next 00:46:07
to Layla Mediterranean Restaurant. 00:46:14
They definitely want to come and meet you, so they might come to another council meeting and introduce themselves to you at that 00:46:22
point. So next I'll invite Raylan Potts. 00:46:26
And she is our vice chair. 00:46:31
Good evening. It's great to be with you today. I wanted to start my remarks with. 00:46:40
A common occurrence that happens in my shop, which is just down the street from you all here. 00:46:47
I have customers that come in and say, oh, how long have you been in business? And I say eight years And they say what? Why didn't 00:46:54
we ever hear of you? 00:46:59
And I say, when you're small, it's hard to make a big noise. 00:47:05
So this is what I think this council can contribute. 00:47:10
Is helping those of us who are small make a bigger noise. 00:47:15
So that people can know and understand the services that we have. 00:47:19
And so that's one of the outreach programs that we've already. 00:47:23
Started is is each board member going out into the community and talking with businesses and so we'll learn what kind of a noise 00:47:28
we need to make on their behalf. 00:47:34
So I'm very excited about that aspect of the. 00:47:40
Of our. 00:47:45
The second part is, when you're small like I am, you kind of feel like you're a little lone sailboat in the middle of an ocean 00:47:47
with big luxury liners going by. 00:47:54
That you're trying to compete with. 00:48:01
And so again, I see this council as a sorry Advisory Board. 00:48:04
As a tether between all of us small boats. 00:48:11
So we can tether together with resources, with ideas, with information. 00:48:16
So that we can all kind of sell maybe a little faster together. 00:48:23
So thank you for this opportunity. I'm excited to be part of it. 00:48:29
And excited about contributing to holiday. Thank you. 00:48:34
Thank you. 00:48:38
And now we have Jason Woodland. He's our chair for the board. 00:48:44
Sorry, what's your name again? 00:48:52
Mayor and esteemed members of the City Council, it is a sincere pleasure and honor to be speaking with you this evening, as well 00:48:57
as the wonderful city employees. 00:49:02
This evening I'm also a collector of non paying jobs. I think I've become a professional at that. 00:49:07
So currently. 00:49:16
President of the Holiday Chamber of Commerce, which we are in the process of dissolving, and I've been honored and blessed to have 00:49:18
been elected by my peers to be chair for the ensuing year for this new organization. 00:49:25
As Mayor remembers in mid 2020 when we had the conversation about this all to begin with and it's a sincere. 00:49:32
It's a humbling experience to see this finally come to fruition. 00:49:40
And to be a different part of the holiday community, for the last year we put the holiday chamber to rest. So we didn't want to 00:49:44
have that ramp back up before we brought on a new employee and Francis, which was a phenomenal decision on behalf of the city. 00:49:50
She's done phenomenal work so far. 00:49:56
I currently own 4 businesses. My main two are Woodland Advisors and WA Mentoring. 00:50:04
I also wrote her children's book on Bitcoin and blockchain technology about four years ago. That was an interesting endeavor. 00:50:11
But what I see in this board, first of all, I think that everybody has been chosen for this board is absolutely phenomenal and 00:50:18
extremely excited to serve with each and everyone of you. So I wanted to make sure I gave them a shout out. But what I see us 00:50:25
doing is I I think Ray Lynn, I mean you nailed it. I mean the, the. 00:50:32
Idea is an example that she used with tugboats and so forth. I think is phenomenal. So I definitely see us doing a lot of really 00:50:40
tight. 00:50:43
Connection within the community, being able to build those relationships. 00:50:47
Tighter and I think even more importantly is being able to pull them into our fold to see exactly what we can do to help them on a 00:50:51
deeper and more granular level. 00:50:56
So those are a few things that I wanted to share. 00:51:01
And I think in the wise words of Dave Chappelle, I'll go ahead and wrap this gavel up unless there's any further questions on 00:51:05
behalf of the Council. Thanks. I've heard Dave Chappelle and I'm glad you said it that way. 00:51:11
We are recording. 00:51:18
Oh, I know. I I know how to choose my audience. 00:51:21
OK. 00:51:25
All right. Any. 00:51:26
Awesome. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks, Jason. 00:51:28
And just one more note, I did send an invite to everybody with our transition from the Chamber. We're doing the Chamber 00:51:35
Appreciation Luncheon on December 1st, Friday. 00:51:40
It's being catered by Myers Catering, so please if you are interested in attending, let me know, we can add you to the list. 00:51:47
One more question. You said you're on the third Wednesday of each month. The third Wednesday At what time? At 4/4 to 6/4 to six? 00:51:58
In what room? In the Mount Olympus room? 00:52:04
The Arts Council. 00:52:10
5. 00:52:12
So 4 to 534 to 6. 00:52:14
Because you don't have a problem with Arts Council because they start usually 530 in that room. I don't know it, I reserved the 00:52:17
Olympus room. 00:52:20
For until 2024. 00:52:25
OK. It was available. Well we're we're as you know we're kind of transitioning Arts Council a little bit, so maybe something in 00:52:29
reserve, but historically we've been in there from 5:30 to 6:30 on the third Wednesday. So just wanted to make sure there wasn't a 00:52:34
conflict. So thanks. 00:52:40
And then one thing I wanted to add, you may be wondering why these positions are not coming to you right now for advice and 00:52:46
consent, because this is a new board and a new concept for us. We've formed the board as an executive committee. We want to make 00:52:54
sure we have the structure right. And then if we do, we'll bring that back to you with an amendment to Title 2 and add this 00:53:01
committee to the list of. 00:53:08
Positions that require your advice and. 00:53:16
OK. 00:53:20
Just I. 00:53:22
You're probably all going to get up and leave as soon as we get done with this, and if you don't, I'm going to question your 00:53:25
judgment. 00:53:28
But I do. 00:53:33
I just want to say a few words. One is I want to thank Jason for his work with the Chamber for a number of years. He has worked 00:53:35
very hard to try to get that going and. 00:53:40
But small chambers nationwide are becoming very difficult for all sorts of reasons we don't need to discuss here. 00:53:46
And I think one of the frustrations we had was that many of the people that were coming were not holiday businesses. 00:53:54
And not holiday res. 00:54:01
And. 00:54:04
That's really what we wanted to focus on. So the primary, I think the primary mission and you'll correct me if I'm wrong and I'm 00:54:07
sure it's more, I'm sure it's more appropriately as stated in a mission statement you'll come up with. But really it's pretty 00:54:11
simple it's. 00:54:16
As everybody says, we have a very. 00:54:21
Community Holiday is a very unique community. We want to keep it that way and it's but it's mostly built around small businesses. 00:54:24
And so it's just this idea of how can we get to know our businesses better. 00:54:32
And what can we do as a? 00:54:38
To help them thrive. 00:54:40
That's really kind of what we're after here. And so we're really excited to get started on this. And I have to thank the people 00:54:43
that are here because obviously these are successful business people. 00:54:49
That. 00:54:55
Time is of a premium to them. So the one thing everybody said when they got up here was they love holiday. I think that's the one 00:54:56
thing we all have in common. And they have a passion about wanting to make Holiday a better place to live, which we're lucky to 00:55:03
have all sorts of people like that in this city. So I want to make sure you know how much we appreciate your willingness to spend 00:55:10
your very valuable time and to share your unique talents and your expertise. 00:55:17
With Anne Francis and and our council to help us figure out how we can. 00:55:24
Be of help to the businesses in this city and make sure holiday continues. 00:55:30
To be a great place to. 00:55:35
A great place to work and a great place to do business. So thank you very much to all of you. 00:55:38
Anybody else want to? Amen? 00:55:46
I just want to say I don't think I've ever seen a board or Commission composed of such creative, courageous people. 00:55:50
What a great group we have here. Thank you so much. 00:55:59
Maybe you can educate me, where I'm still relatively new on the council. 00:56:07
With the Chamber having that, you know, not really been convenient during this time that I've been on, how does it work as far as 00:56:12
the City Council is concerned? You know, you know how we all have our different. 00:56:16
Liaison. Yeah. Liaison is that type of a thing. How does that work with respect to this? You know, that's good. Quite. We haven't 00:56:22
really. 00:56:26
I think that's part of what Gina was talking about is whether we want to make this a formal legislative committee within the city. 00:56:30
But regardless, I think we probably ought to talk about because typically on all of our committees, whether they're legislatively 00:56:38
formed or not, like the Interfaith Council is not a legislatively formed. 00:56:43
Am I saying that right, Gina of the city? It's just a? 00:56:49
It's a council. 00:56:54
Was put together and formed and they operate, but they're. 00:56:56
They're not appointed through advice and consent of the council, but I serve as the liaison to that council and we and everybody 00:57:00
serves on some committee. We haven't assigned anybody to work with Ann Francis and the Advisory Board yet. So I guess we could 00:57:08
maybe we could address that in January when we kind of go through our slate of who's going to do what, but we will. 00:57:17
Have somebody from the Council to liaise with the Advisory Board and and directly. 00:57:25
So that there's a connection there. 00:57:32
Is that your question? Yeah, that's exactly. 00:57:35
And if somebody has a passion for it, wants to get involved. 00:57:38
They'll usually get it or will arm wrestle or whatever. If there's a number of people that want to do it, very good. 00:57:42
Thank you so much for coming. We're going to continue with the agenda and if you get up and you walk out, we will not be offended 00:57:52
at all. 00:57:56
Thank you. 00:58:03
So as they make their way out, we're going to move to B, which is the discussion on. 00:58:11
The ACE program. 00:58:17
I don't even know what that. 00:58:20
The. 00:58:23
A stands for Administrative Code Enforcement. OK, so it's basically a discussion on. 00:58:24
Code and enforcement and how aggressive we want to be. So yeah, all. 00:58:30
Turn this over to who's ever going to lead. Lead out the discussion on this. 00:58:36
So, mayor and council, one of the things that I get to talk about when I train public officials all over the state when they're 00:58:48
first elected, is in your powers and duties, what's important in a city. 00:58:53
And how far your regulatory power can and maybe even should extend in some cases? 00:58:59
And code enforcement is one of the really, I think, significant areas. 00:59:06
Of regulation in a lot of communities where. 00:59:12
You see significant public. 00:59:16
About. 00:59:21
How extensive that power is and should be exercised, and how far we ought to go. 00:59:22
Several years ago there was a fairly warm debate in this state about the cities use of code enforcement powers broadly. 00:59:29
And West Valley City was the first city to develop what I really think was kind of a comprehensive, administrative approach to 00:59:39
code enforcement. 00:59:43
Before that, the criminal process was used. I think the criminal misdemeanor process was used most commonly. 00:59:48
In West Valley, for a host of reasons, decided to get away from that and started with a civil enforcement kind of a model. 00:59:56
Since that time, ordinances around the state have evolved. Practices have, I guess. 01:00:06
In some ways evolved in the pendulum swings back and forth. When I first started as a criminal prosecutor with Salt Lake City back 01:00:11
in the very early 90s, we were doing code enforcement cases in the old circuit courts of this state. 01:00:19
So if a person had a Clearview triangle in the yard that wasn't appropriately trimmed and they had ignored a notice. 01:00:27
They'd get cited for a criminal misdemeanor. 01:00:34
That misdemeanor citation would be handled in the circuit. 01:00:37
Of this. 01:00:41
Umm. 01:00:43
With the move to more of an administrative process. 01:00:44
Those things ended up. 01:00:48
An enforcement process in beside the city and usually in front of some kind of a hearing officer with an assessment of a civil 01:00:51
penalty. 01:00:55
And there's been a debate for years and years and years about what is the best approach. 01:01:00
Code enforcement? Is it a criminal? 01:01:06
A criminal approach? 01:01:09
Is it a civil approach with the internal things that go with it? Is it kind of a mixture of both? 01:01:12
In certain circumstances. 01:01:20
And. 01:01:22
There's a fair amount of, I guess. 01:01:24
In those decisions about how you want to do that. 01:01:28
Your regulatory authority as a city can be extensive. 01:01:32
If you think about using a criminal misdemeanor process. 01:01:38
Things that happen on somebody's property for the condition of the property. 01:01:43
Has the ability to be exercised kind of in a heavy-handed way in some cases and it feels, I think, compulsory in a way that's 01:01:48
maybe a little bit different. 01:01:53
Than the civil enforcement. 01:01:58
And over the years, I've just. 01:02:00
Tell you, I have advised most of my clients that if you were asking me from a policy perspective, I like the criminal process 01:02:03
better. 01:02:06
And the reason why I've always liked that better is because. 01:02:10
The civil process when we impose a fine on somebody. 01:02:14
Then. 01:02:17
There's the issue of how do we collect it. 01:02:18
And those processes tend to be just a little bit more administratively burdensome. 01:02:22
On the city, they require more staff time. 01:02:28
In some cases more resources and then. 01:02:31
Make the city whole for that in the criminal process. It's a little quicker. It can be a little simpler. 01:02:34
And. 01:02:40
Those finds that a judge imposes. 01:02:42
Tend to be easier to collect. 01:02:46
Uh. 01:02:48
There's so I always like that process. 01:02:49
Policymakers like you tend not to. 01:02:53
Because of how heavy-handed it can seem. 01:02:56
But we're at a place now where the city has built up internally. 01:02:58
An excellent code enforcement program. 01:03:03
From the ability of identifying and starting to pursue. 01:03:06
The correction of conditions that are in violation of your code. 01:03:11
What we're looking for from the Council at this point is kind of that policy direction of. 01:03:15
From your seat. 01:03:21
What is the best way for us to? 01:03:23
These kinds of situations. 01:03:25
I think John wants to talk a little bit about this. We have folks from UPD who are doing the actual day-to-day code enforcement 01:03:28
who are here and can talk to you about it. 01:03:32
But we we want to have this discussion with you tonight and hopefully over the course of time get some direction from you about 01:03:38
what you think the best approach is. 01:03:43
And to clarify, right now our processes is primarily administrative. 01:03:52
Your ordinance authorizes a criminal process. If you were to choose to use it, it authorizes the issuance of citations that are 01:03:58
Class B misdemeanors. 01:04:03
I'm not aware that that has been utilized except in a couple of really limited circumstances. 01:04:10
That were, I guess, what I would call. 01:04:16
Egregious cases of repeat violations where we just couldn't get compliance any other way. 01:04:19
So. 01:04:27
Can you help give us a little bit of guides in terms of what you're hoping? 01:04:28
Pull out of this meeting tonight. 01:04:33
What would you, what would be helpful to get from the council? So from my perspective and John can certainly chime in as well, but 01:04:35
from my perspective, I think it would be useful to have an idea of you know, Todd mentioned this pendulum that kind of swings back 01:04:42
and forth of where the council. 01:04:49
Is philosophically on that pendulum in terms of approach. So over the course of the summer, I'll just think of a couple of 01:04:56
examples and Councilman Father and Kim I know has raised a concern repeatedly. 01:05:04
Although I think this problem might have have been solved, but a homeowner who was not properly maintaining their property, it was 01:05:14
attracting rats. There was fruit on the ground. 01:05:20
And that's something that I think happened over and over and over again. 01:05:27
I know that our code enforcement officer was in frequent contact with that property owner. 01:05:33
But it was difficult to enforce so using that as one example. 01:05:41
Where it What is the approach that council is comfortable with from your end as policymakers? Are you hearing pushback from 01:05:49
residents about the length of time that it takes to resolve those code enforcement issues? And if you are? 01:05:58
Are you comfortable moving forward with? 01:06:08
Heavier handed. Well, just for the record, I did cut down that fruit tree, so I don't think the rest. 01:06:12
So say, I think, does everybody know? I'm assuming everybody knows Warren. 01:06:20
Officer DALL. 01:06:26
Yes, OK. All right. I just wanted to make sure. 01:06:27
You know, we've talked about this before, but I think the reason we're looking at this is. 01:06:33
There seems to be some frustration with. 01:06:38
On the from the enforcement side, is that fair? 01:06:41
I think that's fair. I think we hear occasionally, we hear what sounds like frustration from from you all and from residents as 01:06:48
well. 01:06:52
Yeah, I think, I think that's just the length of time and. 01:06:58
That it takes to resolve issues and. 01:07:03
I don't know. 01:07:08
Warren, if you're having that, if you have that frustration. 01:07:09
Do you want to speak to this at all or? Well, come on up. And while he's approaching, one of the things I'll tell you is the 01:07:13
city's ordinance on this, The administrative code enforcement part of it, I think is relatively well formed. 01:07:19
There's not really great parameters around. 01:07:27
A criminal enforcement option in the ordinance right now, I don't think it's very clearly stated. I think it needs to be revised. 01:07:32
And I think there's some revision that we need to do even on the civil side in some of the penalty sections to to help that 01:07:39
administration run more smoothly and then to get some clarity with recent revisions to state law that have happened in the last 01:07:44
three to five years. 01:07:50
So we're going to need to amend some ordinances to get us in the place we want to go. We also need policy direction from the 01:07:56
Council about at the end of the day, how we. 01:08:00
Apply the ordinance from sort of an internal policy standpoint. 01:08:05
I just want to take a quick opportunity to. 01:08:16
Let you understand that the relationship that we've been having with UPD has been extremely eye opening I think for my department 01:08:20
and is how we address enforcement matters. 01:08:24
Historically, this has been obviously an administrative process. 01:08:29
With a civil staff member who has had an extensive experience trying to. 01:08:35
Enforce our ordinances, however, when they've changed and evolved over the past 20 years. 01:08:42
Some specific zoning ordinances standards. 01:08:49
In particular, short term rentals, tree removals, those types of things. 01:08:53
Don't fall into the category of maintaining compliance. Over time, what's done has been done. 01:08:58
And I think Warren has done an excellent job trying to figure out how to use our tools that's been provided UPD. 01:09:03
In a way that still is very respectful to the. 01:09:11
And still provides the public health, safety and welfare parameters, at least for the city so. 01:09:14
I think he's got a good idea as to what tools will become better available to you and does an excellent job of giving you that 01:09:20
background, but I just wanted to make sure that. 01:09:24
It's from the city and the updates relationship is pointed. Point of view has been exceptional over the. 01:09:29
Two years. 01:09:36
Three years. So I just want to make sure that. 01:09:39
Thanks, John. 01:09:44
So kind of as John was saying and Todd, I'll just throw 2 examples that we were talking about earlier matching real quick. 01:09:47
So the first would be like the tree removals. 01:09:58
You you cut down a tree you're not supposed to cut. 01:10:00
And based on the administrative process that we have now, yes, we can impose fines. 01:10:03
According to state law, whether we do an administrative citation or an abatement notice of violation. 01:10:11
I am required to give because there's no clear underlying exigency to this situation. I have to provide 10 days warning to the 01:10:17
homeowner to essentially put the tree back that's already been cut down, if that makes sense. Which it doesn't make sense. 01:10:25
To me. And so that's part of the issue. Another mentioned Clearview. You know, a criminal citation for for a Clearview violation. 01:10:33
But if you take the triangle at an intersection and not just a driveway where you're encumbering the, you know, the view of 01:10:41
oncoming traffic at an intersection, that becomes more of. 01:10:46
More of a safety issue and our ordinance. Now we can do a criminal citation for parking so many feet from a stop sign. But if 01:10:53
there's not a stop sign there, you know, I've had some of our officers calling me like, well, there's not an actual stop sign and. 01:11:00
And they're correct. And so situations like that I think is. 01:11:07
Where we're kind of heading in or where like to see. 01:11:14
Not removing. 01:11:19
That civil process from code enforcement, because I definitely think that that is primarily a. 01:11:20
The more appropriate way to handle most of the code enforcement issues that I encounter. 01:11:31
But adding that tool of the criminal citation and we're in a very unique situation in this city right now because. 01:11:37
If Mill Creek runs into a situation where they want to issue a criminal citation for, you know, a parking situation or anything 01:11:46
else, they have to call in UPD, which I mean UPD is great at responding and helping out with those. But in our situation, I'm 01:11:52
there I can. 01:11:58
Handle that while I'm there this. 01:12:04
In my mind, broadens that ability. It's not. I don't view this as something where I'm going to go out and start issuing criminal 01:12:07
citations to everybody. 01:12:11
But as Todd mentioned, it I think can be a very useful tool. And as Todd stated there, there has been language that allows us to 01:12:16
use that as an option. And yes, we have used it in successfully in some very egregious cases. It was not challenged at all in 01:12:23
these cases. 01:12:30
What I've been working pretty diligently at, and I don't know if you I didn't send it to you. I don't know if you've seen it, but 01:12:40
I've. 01:12:44
Sort of. 01:12:49
Got some language that incorporates what you're talking. It just defines, it defines that criminal citation process level of 01:12:51
offense is the penalties that go along with it as something that maybe just to add into our ACES program rather than replacing. 01:12:59
All right, so program. 01:13:07
And so with that. 01:13:09
From the day that I started in this process, it has been very interesting wearing this uniform and doing mostly civil enforcement, 01:13:14
sort of. 01:13:18
Kind of. 01:13:23
Because wearing those two hats, you have to be very careful obviously wearing this uniform and and our Constitution and and it's 01:13:25
been. 01:13:28
It's been I'm still learning stuff. 01:13:32
Every single day. I'm almost four years into it and I'm still learning stuff every. 01:13:35
But it's been, it's been great and I think that this process would help just improve the enforcement across the board. 01:13:40
So we say this process where what specifically are we talking about just transitioning some things from civil to criminal like 01:13:50
going through our ordinances and just relooking the whole thing and and. 01:13:56
I don't know necessarily that we're looking for. 01:14:03
A criminal process every time for this character of violation in a civil process every time for this character of violation. I 01:14:10
don't. 01:14:14
I don't know that necessarily that. 01:14:18
Kind of the way we're slanted, but what we want to know. 01:14:20
Are you comfortable with the criminal process in certain situations? 01:14:23
Yes. And I think that's an important kind of a threshold that we need to cross. 01:14:27
And if the council does have some comfort with that, then at some point we'll be bringing you ordinance amendments a little more 01:14:34
clearly. Define what that is and that will help you flesh out from a policy standpoint, have we provided enough protections around 01:14:38
that that you're comfortable with it? 01:14:42
It may be that this Council wants to develop. 01:14:48
You know, with input from Warren and John. 01:14:51
Policy and internal policy about the circumstances where criminal enforcement. 01:14:54
Is acceptable and that that's a fine line because there. 01:14:59
An issue of discretion with your criminal prosecutors that we don't want this council jumping into. We want the prosecutors to 01:15:03
have that kind of discretion. 01:15:07
But I think a broader policy that would identify. 01:15:11
Not really specific, but circumstances where criminal prosecution. 01:15:17
Is something the Council could accept from a policy. 01:15:23
Would be helpful. 01:15:27
You know, I mean we had a situation in Drews district that went on for. 01:15:29
15 years. Yeah, 15 years. 01:15:35
That was a really flagrant violation of the law. 01:15:39
But it was difficult to get out for a number of reasons. Well, that was an appropriate time to. 01:15:42
To use a criminal sanction, I think, and I don't know that anybody in the Council necessarily would have a problem with that one. 01:15:47
But there are other situations that it may not warrant that right, and we understand that, but we'd like to hear from the Council. 01:15:53
Enough that at least. 01:16:01
Broadly an idea of how the ordinance amendment ought. 01:16:03
And if there's a corresponding policy that we need to develop internally that guides our action, either down a criminal route or a 01:16:07
civil route. 01:16:11
Kind of what that is Todd, if you wouldn't mind for those of us that don't have a background really in criminal justice or law. 01:16:15
You know can you explain just some I've, I've got ideas of what the main differences are but could you just take a second and just 01:16:21
explain the yeah, when you go to a Criminal Court on a on a citation for an issue on your property. 01:16:27
A court can impose a fine up to $1000 plus surcharges. I think right now that ends up being, what, 1900 or $2000 ish. 01:16:34
And up to six months in jail. 01:16:44
Now, they never do that for a code violation on your property, right? 01:16:46
But the advantage of being in a Criminal Court, from my standpoint, when I was an old prosecutor and doing code enforcement cases 01:16:51
for Salt Lake City, was. 01:16:54
If somebody. 01:16:57
The finding of the court and the judgment they were guilty of maintaining a code enforcement issue on their property. 01:17:00
We could notice up a review hearing in front of a judge, and judges have this weird thing where they don't like people to disobey 01:17:05
their orders. 01:17:09
And if their order is clean up your property and you haven't done that, then they have an additional sanction they can impose. 01:17:13
That's rare. 01:17:16
Right. And they can tell somebody. 01:17:20
I ordered you to do this. You didn't do this. I'm going to impose more of the fine than I did potentially last time, and if you 01:17:23
don't do it within the next 30 days. 01:17:27
Then you may spend three nights in. 01:17:31
That's weird for a property violation. 01:17:33
But if you're getting continually not getting compliance at some point and the system is getting frustrated and neighbors are. 01:17:37
Living with a problem that sometimes is health and safety related, whatever. So that's what the criminal process can look like, 01:17:43
the civil process. 01:17:47
Is somebody comes to a hearing? 01:17:51
At the city, not in the courtroom, but probably in the Mount Olympus room, sometimes this room. And they sit in front of a single 01:17:54
hearing officer who's not wearing a judicial. 01:17:59
You know and they. 01:18:05
What looks like in a lot of ways. 01:18:08
A less formal trial on the code enforcement issue, It's probably not as structured. 01:18:11
As the criminal one, but it has some of the trappings and the earmarks of that. And at the end of that time, a hearing officer 01:18:17
will say, yeah, I find that you violated this part of the ordinance and here's the the fine that's being imposed on you. 01:18:24
Sometimes it's close to the same thing you would see in a criminal proceeding. 01:18:31
But then for the city to enforce? 01:18:35
We don't have the same kinds of mechanisms. 01:18:37
That a court does to enforce it. We're sort of counting on a property. 01:18:40
To honor the authority of the city to impose a civil fine. At some point we sometimes can get in certain kinds of violations A 01:18:45
lien authority where we can place a lien on property. 01:18:51
For the payment of a fine like that, but not in every violation, in every condition can we get that lane authority. So those are 01:18:58
kind of the differences in the process, I will tell you administratively. 01:19:03
Most people pay their administrative citation funds they. 01:19:09
That I don't know that everybody does who conducts those hearings. 01:19:14
The city has retained hearing officers to do. 01:19:17
Council member Quinn used to be a hearing officer for the. 01:19:22
Currently we have two hearing officers who I think. 01:19:25
Rich Catton and Frank Nakamura who are? 01:19:29
We're both city attorneys for different cities in the community and they're both excellent hearing officers. They do an 01:19:33
outstanding job, so. 01:19:36
So is the but is the choice or are the the available pathways to us on this? 01:19:41
Code violation happens and it either takes a civil route and forever there or criminal route or forever there Or is it? 01:19:50
Start civil and if it's continued to be ignored, it it jumps to shark over to criminal. It can go the route you talked about. 01:19:57
Second, it can sometimes transition from civil to criminal. 01:20:02
Is that kind of the the what we're talking about is that? 01:20:08
Is we want to be able to add that provision where it canmore easily jump over that shark as it were. 01:20:12
From civil to criminal when there's non compliance, yeah, in some ways, yes. 01:20:19
So we don't have to make the choice at the beginning. It can jump later if there's non compliance, so we can start out soft. 01:20:25
But then bring the hammer if it's There are some circumstances where it may be appropriate, however, to forego the civil route at 01:20:32
all and to go directly to a criminal route. If you've got significant risk to public health and safety from a violation, sure. 01:20:38
Gross negligence, and an owner has refused to talk to Warren or to John's office about any part of it. 01:20:44
And and we've sent them letters and notices and they've just ignored. 01:20:52
In those circumstances, it may be appropriate to go first directly to a criminal process, but that's kind of we want your feel for 01:20:56
those things. 01:21:00
Yeah, I understand. My feeling is that, yeah, we there's an opportunity to solve it easily and civilly. 01:21:04
Use that word many ways. 01:21:11
But to have teeth when? 01:21:15
When we need it, but to not bear those teeth unless we need it. 01:21:17
Because also, I'd hate. 01:21:21
Start right out on criminal if it's otherwise not necessary, because then what kind of consequences are to a citizen who then has 01:21:23
a criminal misdemeanor on their record and and what there are there? 01:21:30
Unintended consequences that happen to a citizen when that occurs. 01:21:38
That that we don't care about, but. 01:21:42
Can be impactful for the citizen in ways that we don't care about, but certainly they do. 01:21:46
And so my feeling is that, yeah, I'd like to be able to have those provisions, but I'd also like to. 01:21:51
Have the philosophy be that we stay on the civil side? 01:21:56
As long as it makes sense, but then have the option to jump to criminal when. 01:22:01
When they ask for it, it's totally a matter of degree, right? I think that. 01:22:06
I'm open to the idea of a criminal enforcement mechanism, but I think the discussion is all about the details of. 01:22:14
When that kicks in and when it doesn't, because we want to be really careful that we're not being too heavy-handed as you, as you 01:22:21
mentioned. 01:22:24
I think the fact that we've, I agree completely with what's been said, especially Paul's comment that we want to, we want to solve 01:22:29
the problem. 01:22:33
In the easiest way, we don't want to bring the hammer down and I think we've already made as far as a policy. 01:22:38
Motion from the movement, from this council, we've already. 01:22:44
Gone that direction by by officer Dallas employment and assignment period, 'cause I think that's probably a little unusual to 01:22:48
have. 01:22:52
To have a UPD officer do our code enforcement. 01:22:57
And I appreciate so many times the way that you've finessed things, handle things, it's been. 01:23:01
It's been great and I'm former justice Court judge so I don't know that the jet I don't know that the court I don't I don't know 01:23:09
we we want to pull Judge Chin or the prosecutor but my feeling would be they don't necessarily want to see their docket. 01:23:16
Stacked up with code enforcement issues, they want to work the problem. I don't think we amend the ordinances though to take away 01:23:25
the teeth. 01:23:29
I like the way it's it's proceeding now with with Officer Dallif kind of out on the front lines. You're the shock absorber kind of 01:23:34
you know trying to work the problem either getting voluntary compliance or or moving civil, but you know able to bring the hammer 01:23:40
down. But that that's my feeling is that we just continue on the path we're on. 01:23:47
Unless, Council, you think there's some tweak we need to make to the ordinance or if there's some category of violation that you 01:23:54
think we ought to amend or delete or beat up, I think there are definitely two weeks to the ordinance we need to make. I don't 01:24:00
think there's any question about that, but your direction is helpful to us as we start to make those revisions to the ordinance. 01:24:07
I want to bring something back to you that's dead on arrival from a policy standpoint. 01:24:14
Yeah, that'd be. I think that would be great to have council take a look at our ordinance and and and advise us look this is too 01:24:18
heavy-handed. We ought to have more teeth in this. I think there may be there are certain violations that may be a of particular 01:24:26
they they particularly stick in the craw of of residence and and one may be misuse of property for example. 01:24:33
Running running a rental. 01:24:41
In an area where that's not permitted. 01:24:45
You know animal violations may be another one where there's, you know whether there's where there's animals loose. But I don't, I 01:24:49
don't. I don't know if what other categories there are drug. 01:24:54
You know, drug sales on a property, there may be maybe a property violation if you're permitting that kind of. 01:25:00
You know, prostitution or drug use, whatever it is, or drug sales. 01:25:08
But I really, really like the model we've got where. 01:25:13
I don't necessarily want to tout Cottonwood heights. 01:25:19
Police Department per SE, but they do like their model work the problem you know on on all the bumpers of their vehicles and I 01:25:22
think that's exactly what what we're doing is, is even though we don't have that a model, I think you're working the problem. 01:25:27
You're the shock absorber kind of. 01:25:32
Using the whole panoply of all of our tools to just fix the problem without having to go too far. So that's my thought. 01:25:38
It will be good to somehow. 01:25:48
Into. 01:25:52
Into a written. 01:25:54
What we've talked about tonight, but also mention that. 01:25:58
A lot will be to the up to the discretion of the code enforcement officer. 01:26:03
I think that's that's an important piece as well because Detective Dallas has done such a great job. 01:26:09
And all of the UPD officers. 01:26:15
That are working this problem or have done a really nice job too. 01:26:21
I don't want to the council give. I think there will be two pieces of it. I think the ordinance amendments are necessary and 01:26:26
important. We need to do that. They really are going to apply, I think. 01:26:31
They'll define the criminal process and the available penalties in a way that's more clear. 01:26:37
That they may relate a little bit better to streamlining some of the administrative process too. 01:26:42
From an internal policy perspective, sort of directing our approach either. 01:26:48
Civilly or criminally at the very outset. 01:26:52
I don't want to suggest a. 01:26:56
That is very detailed. 01:27:00
I think it's important that we have a policy with that that's kind of a 30,000 foot. 01:27:02
Because I don't want to interrupt the discretion of the code enforcement officers, I think that's important and. 01:27:08
You know, overtime these are things we're going to revisit because code enforcement. 01:27:14
Swings from a policy standpoint like so many issues in municipal governance do. 01:27:18
My guess is in a few years we may be back talking about other things. There may be new problems developing with land uses. We 01:27:23
don't know what it'll be. 01:27:27
But I think these. 01:27:31
These conversations happen with relative frequency, and they're important. 01:27:33
Your direction is helpful. Tonight we'll try to bring back an ordinance amendment that addresses this and some internal structure. 01:27:38
That. 01:27:45
The way we apply the ordinance. 01:27:48
Can I just weigh in a little bit? I don't know. I think everybody pretty much did. 01:27:52
I I'm all for having you know I think you need to have the tools available to to ultimately get compliance. I also believe that we 01:27:57
should our our approach should be hopefully this is I think this probably is. 01:28:03
To have as civil an approach as possible and and then go that direction as needed. 01:28:10
I think oftentimes I used to we we used to be in the in business I had we were a lender for car dealers used car dealers and. 01:28:16
Always with people that aren't. 01:28:59
Whether they're building skate ramps in their backyard with their kids or whatever it might be. 01:29:00
That's one example. This way is this where I turn around and? 01:29:05
I I I can honestly say I didn't know who you were at the time. No, no, no. 01:29:10
That's the honest truth. He wasn't. I wasn't on the City Council that he wasn't who he was then. 01:29:17
So can I just say that that that example is? 01:29:24
How I primarily approached, you know, enforcement is is on that civil issue because you're right, most people just don't know. 01:29:29
And taking that education approach first, I mean, quite often it doesn't even require a notice of violation, it requires me to 01:29:38
knock on their door. 01:29:42
Instead of sending them a letter in the mail and saying did you know that this is a violation? Most of the time they don't know 01:29:46
and most of the time they take care of it. 01:29:52
But and I just want to. 01:29:57
Reiterate again. 01:30:01
I'm fully in support of. 01:30:04
This process. 01:30:07
Adding another. 01:30:09
I don't want the Council to have any impression that that is going to be primarily a tool that I will go to. 01:30:11
Because it it is not I I also agree that that civil approach, I think what we've been doing mostly has been working mostly, but 01:30:19
there have been situations that having that ability to issue a criminal citation. 01:30:24
I think would help resolve some issues. 01:30:31
Days rather than. 01:30:35
Cases where there are things that might be unreasonable and I hope that residents know that they can approach their their 01:31:10
representatives if in in cases where things may be. 01:31:15
Don't seem just or or whatever. So do you all receive much by way of? 01:31:20
I see you're quitting. Yeah. Judas, Short term rentals, right, Drew? 01:31:27
Reynolds and things in the yard. 01:31:33
Yeah. 01:31:36
Cars parked in the but that ends up coming across your desk though. 01:31:37
Sometimes. 01:31:47
But I think I mean what I'm hearing is that. 01:31:49
We're OK. 01:31:53
Adding the criminal tool to the toolbox. 01:31:55
At least going down this path to try to memorialize this and then we get a chance to look at it, make sure we're OK with it. 01:31:58
With the understanding that that's going to be a. 01:32:06
That's going to be a small percentage. 01:32:08
People that that's, it's a last resort. It's like look, I've tried. 01:32:12
To gain compliance the right way and. 01:32:16
I don't want to continue to waste all this time and resource I need to. 01:32:20
Pull this tool out of the toolbox. 01:32:25
Yeah, I think there are. There are very few, but I think also there are. 01:32:28
Some very egregious violations that. 01:32:34
It may be appropriate as Todd was saying that that may be the way I approach it. 01:32:39
But again, every. 01:32:45
Yes, is different and depending on the circumstances, there have definitely been cases that have been so egregious that we just 01:32:47
have to have the confidence that if that constituent calls. 01:32:52
We know. 01:32:58
You've used that tool because you felt like it was your last resort and that the council is going to be OK with that. Because when 01:33:02
I was talking to Gene and Todd about, it's like this all sounds great until you do it and then it can somebody calls up and they 01:33:07
complain about it, then we come back and want to change it again. So I just want to make sure that we're all kind of on board 01:33:13
with. 01:33:18
With going down this path and starting to take up staff's time to look at our ordinances and then come back to the council and 01:33:24
present it that we're OK. 01:33:28
Moving in that direction, at this point, it sounds like you are, yeah. And the key to that though is that we have good records. 01:33:32
You know that we have record of this happened. This happened, this happened, this happened. So and then the constituent calls and 01:33:40
says you just violated my rights. Please OK here's the process you went through and here's how you screwed up so that that can be 01:33:46
an excellent defense is good records. And I was just going to bring that up to you. They a criminal citation issued would be done 01:33:53
through the UPD, through Upd's records system. And then we obviously have, you know, I work through the city. 01:34:00
In the case of a criminal citation, I would be doing 2 entries. One would be. 01:34:08
You know, on the PD side, I would still put an entry and I work that refers to that. And in the case of a criminal citation, 01:34:11
obviously your preponderance on a criminal case is is much higher than on a civil case. But it also comes with more documentation. 01:34:17
So if there's ever a criminal citation issued, we can issue a traffic ticket. There's not really much documentation required for a 01:34:23
traffic ticket. Maybe a couple of notes. 01:34:29
If I'm in, you know, in not even a report format necessarily, but if I'm issuing A misdemeanor citation or even an infraction 01:34:36
citation. 01:34:41
For something like a land use violation or anything outside of traffic that there's going to be a detailed report on UPD side and. 01:34:48
Would be very shouldn't be very difficult for council. 01:34:59
Access. 01:35:03
Those reports there would be. 01:35:06
Documentation on that but. 01:35:09
You know as far as the report of the incident, but you're right leading up to if there were, you know, if there were warnings 01:35:12
giving given or prior, you know, that's another thing prior history. We have repeat offenders that repeat every year until I knock 01:35:16
on their door. 01:35:21
I'm not going to do anything until code enforcement shows up because. 01:35:26
I know I don't have to do it until they show up and. 01:35:30
Having this ability would. 01:35:37
Help this Welch those. 01:35:40
A bit. 01:35:43
If you ever needed help, and again this is kind of taking a more civil approach at helping people with the issues, you know that 01:36:16
where you find cases like that, please bring those. I would just say please bring those to my attention and I would imagine my 01:36:21
colleagues would probably feel the same where we could maybe. 01:36:26
Have an outreach to different people. There are a lot of organizations that look for service opportunities and that kind of a 01:36:33
thing And so I don't know how often that comes up or or or maybe you're already doing that some and but but certainly feel free to 01:36:38
to reach out to me in that case in my district. So yeah. 01:36:43
I've got one right now, but it's in Jerusalem district. 01:36:50
It's not the one you're thinking about. 01:36:56
It's a whole, yeah. Well, it's been ongoing for quite a while. It is actually one of the cases that's kind of prompting this as 01:37:00
well. 01:37:03
Because it's I am looking. 01:37:08
You know, a physical abatement of some property. 01:37:11
Vehicles which I've yet. 01:37:14
To have to do in my capacity, I've sometimes it does take me a little longer. But my goal in this position is enforcement. It's 01:37:16
not to issue somebody a citation. It's not to collect a fine from somebody. In fact, I don't. 01:37:23
Really issue fines very often, I really. 01:37:31
Because that's not my goal. My goal is to get them to comply. 01:37:35
Once in a while I get the ones. 01:37:39
In this particular case there is a bit of a hardship, but it's also been an ongoing problem that they're very much aware of, and 01:37:42
so this may reach a level where criminal citation would be. 01:37:47
Absolutely warranted. 01:37:54
Just as one example, but I. 01:37:57
Back and forth to this house since well, there was a bit last year, but since. 01:38:01
Yeah, about March this year trying to get compliance again, so. 01:38:09
I do agree there is the. I haven't been over gotten the update yet, but the. 01:38:15
Container the 40 foot container, It's gone. 01:38:21
And that was another situation. I got a text from. I got a text from the. OK, but that's a funny one too. That's another, you 01:38:24
know, it's like. 01:38:28
I got a text. Hey, did you say something to that neighbor? They're a little cold to me now. 01:38:32
No, I didn't say anything to him. But you can't complain about something and then when we do something about it, then complain. I 01:38:37
mean, it's like. 01:38:40
If you just want to complain, tell me you just want to complain and do not do anything about it. 01:38:45
That was that was an excellent example though of I mean. 01:38:50
There was a definite hardship there, a reasonable hardship, right? And. And if it's a reasonable hardship, I have no issue working 01:38:54
with them as long as it's within reason for a reasonable hardship. 01:38:59
As has been as long as it's in good faith right and and if they're working towards it you know and give them a a deadline but 01:39:06
there's some that won't and. 01:39:09
Or say they will and they never do. And I think those cases would present an excellent, an excellent opportunity. 01:39:14
To get them in front of a judge who has a little bit more than I do sometimes. 01:39:22
As far. 01:39:29
Yeah, gaining that compliance when they refuse. 01:39:31
Detective, what's that? I said. Not if you're wearing that uniform. 01:39:34
Well, yeah, the reception in the community has been mostly phenomenal, but there are a few that wanna know why the cops are at 01:39:38
their house for their weeds. 01:39:42
It's been it's actually been really good. It's been a great experience I've enjoyed. 01:39:48
I've done things in this. 01:39:55
Capacity. 01:39:56
Never did in 15 years prior long. 01:39:58
I love the model we've got for for this system and tweaking it. 01:40:02
Going to be great, but I just really, really like what we're doing. 01:40:08
Well, I think, I think we got. 01:40:12
Or is that, did you get what you were after John and everybody? 01:40:14
We'll wait to hear what the next iteration is then, in terms of what you bring back to the council. But anyway, thanks Warren, 01:40:20
Thanks for your good works for the city too. 01:40:24
OK, pressing along here, I think the next one is the budget amendments, right? 01:40:29
Were. 01:40:36
Any questions or clarifications on the budget amendments? I had one question but it got answered. 01:40:38
Where is holiday circle? 01:40:45
Is the property that we've discussed on 45th and Highland. 01:40:46
Southeast corner, yeah. Corner. OK. Thank you. 01:40:52
What's the impact? 01:40:58
At the end of the day, on the fund balance. 01:40:59
So for the capital projects fund, it will be nearly $1,000,000 of reduction. We have and I think Stephanie has our last fund 01:41:03
balance totals. 01:41:10
Which she'll pull. 01:41:17
Our balance sheet in our last. 01:41:24
Umm. 01:41:26
Audit shows. 01:41:28
In the capital projects, fund A. 01:41:30
Fund balance of 14.7 million. We need to reduce that by the outstanding loan from the RDA. 01:41:34
So really we have about 11,000,000 spendable in that fund balance with a number of projects coming up. 01:41:46
Including Spring Lane, our Rd. projects because the idea was to balance to balance our Rd. projects overtime in addition to the 01:41:54
the bond proceeds that we have, we know we'll need some investment in this building Highland Drive and then potentially temporary 01:42:02
space. So even with all those projects I think we we have sufficient fund balance. 01:42:11
To use $1,000,000. 01:42:20
And then this is kind of tangential, but. 01:42:24
Timeline on the RFP for spring lane, Yeah, so it was issued earlier this week. 01:42:27
We have a pre submittal meeting on November 30th and I believe. 01:42:34
Proposals are due to the city on December 8th, which is a Friday. 01:42:42
And then from there we hope to have interviews soon after the new year with a selection maybe the second week in January and 01:42:48
hopefully. 01:42:53
Hope to have someone under contract as soon as possible after that. 01:43:00
And what guidance have we given them on? 01:43:04
What we're looking for? 01:43:06
So I don't have the RFP in front of me, but we have a pretty detailed program. One of the first steps. 01:43:08
That we're asking and I and I can certainly distribute that to council members. 01:43:17
One of the first steps we would ask is for that group to come to council and have you select a menu of possible items, and let's 01:43:23
just take the dog park as an example. If that is on a menu of options you want to hear from the public about, I think that would 01:43:30
be valuable information. 01:43:37
Or if that's something you decide ahead of. 01:43:45
There's no way that we're going to have. 01:43:49
Let's see outdoor pickleball courts, for example. 01:43:53
That would be valuable information for for them to know. 01:43:59
OK. Thanks. 01:44:03
Gina, on that bridge on Highland Drive, this is substantial, right, with this federal fund, this federal funding. I don't know if 01:44:05
I wasn't here for the meeting when that may have been talked about previously, but can you just describe a little bit about that 01:44:09
and why I'm guessing that has to do with? 01:44:13
Is it to make it less of a problem for potential floods down the road or can you speak to them? So it that bridge has been on a 01:44:18
lift and I don't think Jared is here, It's been on a list of. 01:44:24
Needs improvement for a while. The state udot compiles that list, and so we were aware that that was a problem and had applied for 01:44:32
a grant. 01:44:39
Maybe 2 1/2 years ago. 01:44:47
At a cost of three and a half million dollars at that time when the award came after a couple of years. 01:44:51
We were surprised at the both, the inflationary element. 01:44:59
That was included, which took that from 3 1/2 to $7 million. 01:45:05
But it's like been we know what the cost is at this point and this is what our share will be and all of that is that all? 01:45:11
So they have made the award based on an engineers cost estimate essentially we haven't yet bid it. Our share is I think it's 6.77% 01:45:19
of the overall cost of the project. So that'll that could be less, but it's up to that match. 01:45:28
Thanks. 01:45:38
Just one comment on the Grants account, which is up on the screen right now. I just think it's. 01:45:41
It's so important that we prime that pump and with all of the matching funds in the various categories and that seems to be the 01:45:47
most absolute no brainer of any of these budget amendments we're we're leveraging. 01:45:54
For the benefit of our population. 01:46:01
So many projects just through in some cases a you know fairly small percentage of the total cost and. 01:46:05
That seems to be to me to be great financial stewardship on our part to to use that as much as we can and that that would include 01:46:13
the one item about the historical Commission where there was talk of fundraising and we still want to secure that because we're 01:46:18
we're in that case also leveraging. 01:46:23
Grant funds there too. So we don't want to miss out on that. So if we needed to provide feedback on that line would be, yeah, 01:46:29
let's proceed with guaranteeing those funds. 01:46:34
Regardless of our success and the fundraising side, yeah, I mean, we can't. 01:46:40
We got to press forward with that project and we have an obligation on that match and we can't. 01:46:44
There's an opportunity funded and if we get some, if we get donations, that's great. We'll reduce the amount that that and it'll 01:46:51
flow in the fund balance, right? But we have to make it. We have to make a commitment. They might come later in the process and we 01:46:58
need to be putting money up front. They'll be naming rights potential, but that would come later in the process. 01:47:05
So yeah. 01:47:12
Just for my. 01:47:16
Interest The 2700 E project is. This is the sidewalk project it is. 01:47:19
And is this right at Driggs? Is this across from Driggs Elementary on the east side, East side? The first phase is closer to 39th 01:47:25
South, so I think between 39th and. 01:47:30
No, not not Lincoln. Not all the way to Lincoln. Maybe. Camille. Morningstar. Morningside. 01:47:39
How much? How much? How much sidewalk does $300,000 get? 01:47:47
Not as much as you would think. 01:47:52
I apologize, I remember the exact length, but that's a detail I can provide to the council. I I I recall years ago it was like you 01:47:57
can count on 20 or $30,000 to do a house or something. I don't know if that's correct or not, but. 01:48:04
Anyway. 01:48:12
But needed. 01:48:14
Is it is this like for safe walking? 01:48:16
School stuff or. 01:48:19
Needed for safety along that stretch. I think that's right. And this is one of those projects that the council had prioritized. 01:48:22
Last year you set up some criteria and I wish I could. I'll see if I could remember they are. 01:48:30
School priority routes. 01:48:38
Access to transit. And then there's a third route. There's a third priority as well, but 27th East certainly met all of those 01:48:40
criteria. 01:48:45
One thing I would mention as well. 01:48:52
27th East is the boundary. 01:48:56
Not, not the entire length of it, but. 01:49:00
27 pieces, a lot of the boundary between Morningside and. 01:49:04
And now with parents being able to pick whichever school they want to go to. 01:49:08
People in the area, you know, it's a huge challenge if your kid has to. 01:49:14
Either cross or walk along 20. 01:49:23
So I think this is going to be a huge benefit when I told the community council about it at Driggs. 01:49:27
Julie Jackson was. 01:49:35
You know our granite representative? 01:49:38
And everyone was excited and she said you tell your city that this is huge and that the district really appreciates it. So that's 01:49:41
what she said. 01:49:46
I think you should take full credit. I try to. 01:49:52
So one item I think we might want to spend a moment on is our historic area signs. 01:49:58
When we last had. 01:50:05
Our Historical Commission and and Dan you may have brought this issue up as far as we had agreed to I think place three different 01:50:09
signs identifying the Cottonwood Historic District. 01:50:17
And I think at the time we were anticipating something like this. This is similar to what Cottonwood Heights has. 01:50:26
Identifying historic Butler, there is another option. 01:50:35
Which is you're looking at here, which is more similar to what Salt Lake City has done in the Yale Crest area. 01:50:40
The first signs that you saw are about $300.00 each. 01:50:50
The second signs are about $5000 each. 01:50:55
So just wanted to get feedback from the council on which you would prefer. 01:51:01
I'd like the second one at the first price. 01:51:08
I'll second that. 01:51:13
Did we go out for multiple bids on those? 01:51:18
We did. 01:51:21
Yeah, Holly has priced the signs from two different vendors. 01:51:23
One of the vendors is the same foundry that produced the art piece. The art piece. 01:51:29
And they were. 01:51:36
$150.00 of each other, so I think we feel pretty good about the range we have. 01:51:39
Good grief. 01:51:46
You know, since since the historical Commission is going to come under the umbrella of a of a bigger cultural. 01:51:48
Umbrella of the city. 01:51:56
I think it would be, you know that first sign is just looks like a parking, you know, it's like a parking sign. I think it would 01:51:59
be nice to have something that that is branded similar to what we have here in the Village Center. I don't know I'm in I'm in 01:52:05
favor of spending more money and having, I don't know about $5000 but. 01:52:11
In the vast scheme of themes, things. 01:52:18
And a significant amount of money when we're only talking a few science, I mean there's only did they identify spots where they 01:52:21
would go they have what spots were those. So I believe there's a spot on Cottonwood Lane, there's a spot on Murray Holiday sort of 01:52:28
adjacent to the liquor store area and then a spot I believe on 6200. 01:52:36
I mean, yeah, so we're we're not talking you know 10 signs, we're just talking a handful of signs. I I would, I would opt for 01:52:45
something that's a little more. 01:52:49
Uniformly branded with other. 01:52:53
Things we have in the cities in the village center, in fact, if we could have the same artists do. 01:52:57
Those signs as we had. 01:53:02
Village center. That would be fantastic. I'm in favor of the second option. 01:53:07
I grew up in the Elk Crystal area myself and sorry, what was it that these will say? 01:53:12
So they'll say, I think welcome to. 01:53:17
Historic Cottonwood in all three places, because that's marking the boundary of where historic Cottonwood was. Is that what it is? 01:53:23
Yes. Although I don't think there will be a sign at each boundary. These are just kind of an indication of the overlay. 01:53:31
This is something the historical Commission has been. 01:53:41
Pushing for for a number of years and and to. 01:53:45
On us, our council really hasn't been. 01:53:49
That open to it, but I think we finally kind. 01:53:52
Succumb to the passion that they have for identifying this historical area in and have agreed to it. 01:53:56
But. 01:54:04
The secession movement as well. 01:54:06
Did I say that out loud? Are we recording? 01:54:10
But they are the ones that we, I think we've basically said look, we can. 01:54:14
We can afford to do three of these. You pick where and they are the ones that have picked the place because the last thing I want 01:54:19
to do is do it and then have them come back and say, well that's not where we want to be. Like we wanted them to pick the 01:54:25
locations they thought were most appropriate for the three signs and if they want 4. 01:54:30
In my you know, I think they're fine. They can fundraise for that 4th. 01:54:36
We'd probably be happy to put it up depending on where it is. But anyway we've kind of agreed to the three. Let me let me give 01:54:41
just a little brief history to of this issue. So when when we incorporated. 01:54:47
The city was incorporated as Holiday Dash Cottonwood. That was the official name. In fact, when when we filed our articles of 01:54:53
incorporation Secretary of State, that's what the city was named. 01:54:58
It's holiday Cottonwood and one of the early motions made in City Council meetings, in fact, in the in the early weeks. And this 01:55:04
is by Ed Lont, who was. 01:55:08
You know, in our. 01:55:13
Previous District 1 Ed recommended just for ease of. That's just weird to have a hyphenated name, just for ease of reference, we 01:55:15
ought to have. 01:55:20
Just a name, a short name and a holiday. And we all agreed. But I was since I lived in the Cottonwood area, I said OK, but let's 01:55:26
do something to honor this. 01:55:31
This part because it really were two settlements, it was holiday and then there was Cottonwood historically. So let's do something 01:55:36
to honor Cottonwood. And we did a couple of things. One, we renamed 6200 S officially as Big Cottonwood Rd. And then I can't 01:55:43
remember if it was then or if it was in a subsequently. We actually created an historic district that that is already in our, I 01:55:49
think it's in our general plan. 01:55:56
And but we never I think we always intended that there would be some kind of signage but we never followed through with it and so 01:56:03
so I don't know that there's you know I I don't know that anyone wants to leave. 01:56:09
Holiday or anything like that, But it would be nice to kind of put, you know, put the cherry on top of the cake and and just to 01:56:16
honor that piece of holiday's history as Cottonwood, because it was kind of a compromise that we actually shortened the name to 01:56:21
holiday. 01:56:27
So I'm in favor for all of those reasons. 01:56:33
And I would love to have the more expensive science right. Is there something? 01:56:36
205,000% perhaps, Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask. Is this one cast iron or or This is a bronze and I've stayed out of this 01:56:40
because I didn't wanna inject my. 01:56:46
But I'm with Dan on this one I. 01:56:55
I just think if we're going to do something, it's like our brick monuments that are probably very expensive, but they're beautiful 01:56:58
and I think they're keeping in character with the city. And I'm like. 01:57:03
If we're going to do it, that's just my opinion. If we're going to do it, do it in a way that we can be proud of it, not. 01:57:09
Historic Butler Ville sign That looks like a parking right? Exactly. It looks like an afterthought of OK, you want that? Here you 01:57:17
go. 01:57:20
Right, so this would be bronzed and whatnot. I would just want to make sure that. 01:57:25
We worked and agreed on exactly what the wording was going to be because once it's done, that's going to be done, that's going to 01:57:30
be cast in bronze, but. 01:57:34
Anyway, so I'm I'm with Dan on this, but I also didn't want to. 01:57:39
I didn't want, I wanted to hear what the other council members had to say because it's a lot of money and if somebody felt 01:57:43
strongly that was too much money, I probably wouldn't fight it too hard. 01:57:48
I think if it's where we're talking about designating an historic area, we want it to be. 01:57:53
An impressive sign. 01:57:59
And so I mean, I think I would be open to looking at something. 01:58:00
Less expensive, but I think it should be in kind of the spirit of the second sign for sure. 01:58:05
I support doing it. If we're going to do it, I want to do it right as well. 01:58:12
I won't object. 01:58:17
I'll put it that way. 01:58:19
Well, I just asked if there was something kind of in between. 01:58:23
The second. 01:58:28
The more expensive sign is beautiful. 01:58:30
Out of respect for staff's time. 01:58:37
Would anybody be totally object to just going forward with? 01:58:40
The budget amendment and yeah. 01:58:45
Getting this one starting. 01:58:47
Get it into production. I'm in. 01:58:50
No objection, Your Honor. 01:58:53
Sure, that. 01:58:56
Todd and Jean are whispering now, so. 01:59:01
Your mic was on. I'll listen to it on the recording on Monday. 01:59:07
So I think we're good with that. It's just I would want to make sure that the historical Commission, they weigh in on exactly what 01:59:13
they want that verbiage to be and they have, we do have that language and they have specific ideas about location as well. We 01:59:19
might have right away challenges in a couple of them, but we'll work through that. 01:59:26
Expect those Cottonwood folks to step up in the fundraising element of the other historical Commission stuff. That's right. 01:59:34
I'm going to get that's a that's an Sep. I'm going to get Emily Gray onto that. 01:59:40
All right. OK, We're pushing along now to. 01:59:48
Skate park update. 01:59:51
And I will have Chief Hoyle newly returned. Provide this update. 01:59:54
In Plain Clothes Out There has made a number of arrests for different violations, whether it's fighting, whether it's drugs, 02:00:35
whether it's. 02:00:38
Disorderly conduct, things of that nature. 02:00:43
As some of you know, we have met with members of the skate community. Gina and I have met with members from other cities who have 02:00:46
had involvement with other skate parks as well. I've also had that detective go around to some of the skate parks around. 02:00:53
This kind of Salt Lake County and and surrounding areas and look at what they have talked to their police departments and see 02:01:01
what's been done because some of the concerns that have come up. Should we put up fencing? 02:01:05
Should we put up different signage? Should we run chains across the across the the ramps out here when there's been nefarious 02:01:11
behavior that we aren't able to control? Some of the other concerns that have come up from our local businesses, from thefts to 02:01:18
vandalisms to, you know, a number of those vandalism. And this detective has been meeting regularly with our businesses, more so 02:01:25
from the village north to the village South and then some of the villages or some of the businesses here just to the West of us. 02:01:32
As he's gone out, he's met with he's gone and done personal site visits in Park City. He's talked to the Police Department. He's 02:01:41
looked at what they have up there as far as their fence skate park. There's no cameras up there. He's gone to Lehigh. He's met 02:01:47
with their Police Department as well. They do have theirs fenced off as well. There's no cameras. They reported typical issues 02:01:52
that you would have at a skate park, probably similar to what we're seeing. He's been to Sandy, who does close their skate park 02:01:58
every night. 02:02:04
When there is that behavior that would keep people from being able to skate on as a way of temporarily closing it for those 02:02:43
behaviors and then we can look at it and evaluate next summer. Obviously we're coming now into the cooler season when we're not 02:02:48
going to see as many people out there skateboarding and and we haven't had many issues the last couple of weeks to my knowledge 02:02:52
while I've been off. 02:02:57
But that would be kind of my recommendation, we can kind of evaluate if we need to take other steps or go other direction maybe 02:03:02
next summer and see if what the behaviors like. 02:03:07
Anything you'd like to add that we discussed? The only other thing that I would add is that there are the skate parks like ours 02:03:14
are have proven to be really popular and another a lot of other communities. 02:03:21
Are getting ready to open them. Bountiful has opened a skate park within the last three weeks and maybe it's coincidence, but I do 02:03:28
wonder whether some of our skaters are moving to newer parks and they were the shiny new toy. 02:03:36
There's one in Bluffdale I think as well that recently opened. 02:03:45
Or not. Not too. Yeah. So I think, yeah, West Jordan is building a massive new facility. 02:03:49
And Mill Creek has one plant as well. I think there is some of that shiny new toy thing because I think when we were talking with 02:03:57
Jeff. 02:04:00
Some of the information we were getting. 02:04:05
95% of the problems were being generated by 5% of the skaters, who mostly were not from holiday exactly, and so maybe they. 02:04:09
Move on to someplace else. That takes care of part of the problem, but I still think we're going to have to stay on top of it all 02:04:19
the time in terms of. 02:04:23
You know, we don't want the businesses to be impacted too much and we want to make sure it stays. 02:04:27
A. 02:04:34
You know, absolutely Amen. 02:04:35
And so regardless of some of those people who've done, I think we're just going to always have to stay on top of it. But what 02:04:38
about the fencing? 02:04:41
That seemed to be a. 02:04:45
Input I got I think from Herman and Sandy. Both said that they have. 02:04:48
Fence and one of their best tools was they just close it. 02:04:52
They will close it for a week and. 02:04:56
We've had way too many complaints. We're closing it for a week, we're going to take the time out and. 02:04:59
See if we can get the problem, whatever. So I don't know if that's part of the discussion we want to have as we start with the 02:05:05
lighting design and. 02:05:09
Assuming that's kind of what we're going down the road now is we've got the funding through TRCC and the donations I like I like 02:05:13
to see, sorry the, you know the chain option I think is a great idea and I think just having word out that the prospect of it 02:05:20
closing my son skates quite a bit and he's been like. 02:05:27
Profusely mentioning that you know to everyone that he can is just like, look, if things, if things don't clean up, then they'll 02:05:34
shut it down. You know, that kind of thing. And I think that that possible threat, it can be on the fencing side. I will tell you 02:05:40
from what I understand the Guthrie skate park, which is in Cottonwood Heights. 02:05:45
And it kind of lights us over that way over by Butler Middle School area. They recently took out their fencing as well as I 02:05:51
believe it was one in Saint George. There were two here within the last like two months I believe that I was told had removed 02:05:58
their fencing. Fencing is kind of a controversial approach I I guess and and so I personally like to see the chain option pursued 02:06:05
first and it's obviously less expensive and. 02:06:11
Aesthetically better and you know, I think from a you know, not creating putting up a wall necessarily so much and making it seem 02:06:18
so. 02:06:22
Adversarial. 02:06:28
And I remember the gentleman we we talked to on the zoom call kind of saying that too. But was there any consensus around if we're 02:06:30
going to put these light poles up about we talked about putting cameras? 02:06:35
And I think that's what Chief Hoyle was saying. Maybe we see how it goes next summer before we decide on, yeah, with all these 02:06:44
other skateboards opening, if if the problems do go away, we certainly want to invest in these. 02:06:51
Solutions for a problem that may no longer exist. 02:07:00
Exactly. Other than just I would even say I'm going to put the lighting and we at least wire and prepare for that. So in the event 02:07:03
that we want to put cameras up up there and just kind of see how it goes. But I know I don't see why we wouldn't do cameras 02:07:07
personally. 02:07:11
That's my take and and frankly I would invest in good like that. To me that's one that seems like an almost a no brainer. But you 02:07:17
know I love this idea of a temporary closure if to to to nip problems in the ****. In fact it occurred to me maybe that's a 02:07:22
solution. 02:07:28
For the school dog issue. 02:07:34
What if What if the schools? 02:07:36
Chained locked up their playgrounds for a week and put signs up and said hey, we've had too many problems with dogs are not 02:07:38
permitted loose and we've had problems with it, so we're closing this for a week or something that would get the word out. 02:07:45
I don't think most fields are, for instance, though that's true. Cottonwood is, I think. 02:07:53
I think Cottonwood is Cottonwood Elementary could could. 02:08:00
They have just a couple of openings. 02:08:04
I'm going to reach out to the school district next week and have a conversation with them about it and kind of explain some of the 02:08:06
concerns that we've been seeing there as well, see what we can work together on. 02:08:10
Thank you. Thanks for your work. 02:08:19
Thanks for continuing to stay on this too. Absolutely. And we'll continue to keep working on this all through the winter. I mean 02:08:21
we know it gets used and it's an ongoing issue. So if you do have, if you guys are receiving complaints and concerns from your 02:08:26
constituents, please let me know as as always and we'll we'll address them. 02:08:31
Thank you. OK. 02:08:37
See Council meeting, 714th legislative meeting. So 4:00 we're going to. 02:08:44
4/30. 02:08:50
Will we be? We will not. 02:08:52
Having dinner I'm. 02:08:55
Or sandwiches. 02:08:58
For everybody, I guess. Yeah, sandwiches would be great. And so 4:30 to 6:00. 02:09:00
Our legislators are coming in for kind of a pre legislative session or whoever can make it, but I think most of them are going to 02:09:05
be here. 02:09:09
Umm. 02:09:15
The tree lighting November 27th. That will be just as an FYI. 02:09:16
We're. 02:09:20
Light up the 10. 02:09:22
AM. 02:09:25
Can I say? 02:09:26
Been out there, so yeah, they're testing it, but we're going to be lighting up the 10 trees inside the Plaza, as well as we're 02:09:29
going to create a lighted a tree, a Christmas tree made out of lights, right? 02:09:35
Instead of a real tree that we can put in the center of the Plaza. 02:09:41
So we don't have to anchor it. We're having a harder time finding trees and we're going to try to test this and light up the Plaza 02:09:45
a little bit more. Where I should have asked Ken Melby about, I haven't heard from him yet about lighting the buildings. He hasn't 02:09:49
responded yet. 02:09:54
Putting some lights up on the perimeters of the all the office buildings in Harmons and. 02:09:59
Beef up the lighting of the paws a little bit and see what kind of reaction we get to that. 02:10:05
And then you know, Jody and I are looking forward to hosting whoever wants to come on the 5th at the Cottonwood Club. 02:10:11
That's just going to be more of a casual buffet, nothing special, Jared told me. 02:10:17
Jared Bunch told me Rachel's not coming. If there's not going to be dancing, she wants a dance. 02:10:21
I'm like, what time does that start? 02:10:28
I think it's 6:00, just kind of a little social at six and for those that are coming, it's certainly it's not mandatory you know 02:10:33
that and but it's just gonna be buffet not a sit down this time but it'll be nice and if you have never been to the Cottonwood 02:10:39
Club, it might be kind of fun to drop by and a way to kind of bring in the holidays. 02:10:44
And Board of Canvassers. 02:10:52
5th or 6th? 02:10:54
OK. 02:11:00
And no closed session. 02:11:02
So. 02:11:06
Not yet, because I've got to say this, because I at the Interfaith Council. 02:11:08
Or at the interfaith meeting. 02:11:13
Both speakers gave. 02:11:17
Fabulous. 02:11:19
Created fabulous messages around gratitude. That's what the whole thing is about. And. 02:11:21
You know, they were both like, you can't just feel it, you got to say it. So I'm going to. 02:11:26
That I'm grateful for the opportunity to work with all of you. You're all incredibly competent. 02:11:30
Committed people. I feel lucky to work with all of you, and especially my colleagues on the Council. 02:11:37
You're busy. 02:11:42
And I appreciate the fact that you would, you know, give your time to do this good work. 02:11:44
And I'm just grateful for all of the and I hope all of your families have. 02:11:50
Fabulous Thanksgiving weekend. 02:11:54
Yeah, cheers. 02:11:59
Likewise, yeah. Thank you. Move to. 02:12:01
Second all in favor? Aye. Happy Thanksgiving, You too. 02:12:05
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OK, Welcome everybody to. 00:00:03
Holiday City Council meeting Thursday November 16th, one week from Thanksgiving. 00:00:07
Day. 00:00:16
No. Five days, 05 days. That's right, Five days from Election Day. So everybody get out and vote. 00:00:19
And we have to welcome the chief back to he's been convalescing. 00:00:28
So we're not used to seeing you in your city, so. 00:00:33
So welcome back. OK, we are going to get going. We'll start with our pledge. 00:00:37
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:00:49
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:54
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:57
OK. Thank you. We have, we're going to go to public comment just shortly. We do have one public hearing on proposed budget 00:01:06
amendments and I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's probably not anybody here to address the budget amendments, but there 00:01:11
may be. 00:01:15
But if you are here to address the budget amendments, wait just a moment till we get through with public comment. So we'll open up 00:01:20
public comment. Anybody here to address the Council on any issues other than the budget amendments? 00:01:25
There being none, we will close public comment and move to item number 4. This is the public hearing on proposed 2023-2024. 00:01:35
Budget amendments, that the budget amendments are in your Packet Council. 00:01:44
I believe Gina did kind of review what these were going to be at the last council meeting and they're enclosed in the packet, so. 00:01:50
Questions from the council Well, you know what, Gina, Why don't you just walk through them with us briefly and then we'll see if 00:01:59
we have questions. 00:02:03
I printed them out and then failed to bring them. 00:02:10
So we have this is it for our city of very large budget amendments affecting 4 different funds. I'll start with a general fund. 00:02:13
We have a couple of changes in the general fund. One reflects the direction I had from the Council. 00:02:22
Due to Cheryl Gilliland's retirement, the council discussed. 00:02:31
Converting the Arts Council executive director, which is a part-time position to an arts and culture. 00:02:38
Manager position as a full time position, and so this budget amendment reflects that change. 00:02:46
And a portion I've made an allocation of 75% of that position going to the Arts Council and 25% remaining in the general fund. 00:02:54
Associated with the historical Commission and our historic experience. And so you see those increases there in next year's budget, 00:03:09
we'll see larger increases. This really reflects 7 years of that or seven months of that increase. 00:03:16
We also have had a staff resignation in our building services area in community and economic development. 00:03:26
And our employee was out for a period of time which resulted in the need for increased contract inspection services. 00:03:36
And that is reflected in this budget amendment as. 00:03:46
So those are the general fund changes asking for the use of $57,000 in fund balance from the general fund to fund those changes. 00:03:51
In the capital projects fund we are would be amending the budget. 00:04:04
And. 00:04:10
$905,000 of fund balance, although I realized that I left out another line item so would be a little over $950,000 with that 00:04:12
included. 00:04:17
And that's for a number of. 00:04:24
Expenses. Last year the council had authorized Sumser escaping of islands on Highland Drive and that was meant to be completed in 00:04:28
the last fiscal year. The contractor did not get started on that until after July 1, and so money that you had previously 00:04:35
appropriated. 00:04:42
Was not used and became will become part of this year's fund balance. We're just asking for it to be used. 00:04:51
To reflect that time difference. 00:04:59
Then the council has previously talked about a study for the spring potential Spring Lane Park. 00:05:03
And so we're asking for $100,000 for concept design and in public engagement for that project. 00:05:12
We have an RFP that has been issued in the last week or so for that work. 00:05:20
And so at this point, that $100,000 is really a placeholder pending a better number in response to that RFP. 00:05:27
Then we have. 00:05:37
We have a grant funded project for sidewalk improvements on 27th East. 00:05:41
That is a program that requires a large match, and so we'll be using two or asking for $200,000. 00:05:49
Of match from the Capital Projects fund to be transferred to the Grants fund to be used as a match for that project. 00:05:59
There's an offset. We had $100,000 set aside for sidewalk improvement projects. 00:06:07
We're using 100,000 of that money, so it's really a net increase of 100,000 from from balance. 00:06:13
Then. 00:06:24
We have. We are ready to enter into a contract for our historic experience. 00:06:26
That is a project that is $850,000 and previously. 00:06:36
As you're aware, we received a grant of $600,000 from Salt Lake County Track funds. 00:06:43
And the council in this year's budget, had appropriated $100,000 to be used as that match. 00:06:50
Which leaves a difference of $150,000. 00:06:57
Our intention is to continue fundraising for. 00:07:03
That $150,000. 00:07:08
But I am reluctant to enter into a contract without that money secured and I'm hoping that the council well, I'm really raising 00:07:11
this with the council. 00:07:17
To make sure that in absence of those funds being raised, you're still comfortable you'd be comfortable. 00:07:24
Filling that gap with capital projects fund. 00:07:33
So I think that's a discussion for the Council to have, but I prepared the budget amendment anticipating that the council would 00:07:38
want to basically fund that match at a full 250. 00:07:45
We have also received a. 00:07:55
Grant from the federal government for $6.7 million. 00:07:59
For bridge. 00:08:07
Upgrades on a bridge over Cottonwood Creek on Highland Drive, we have a very small match in relationship to the overall project 00:08:09
cost, but it's still $480,000 and that transfer is reflected in the capital projects fund appropriation as well. 00:08:18
And. 00:08:30
Umm. 00:08:34
We have received corridor preservation dollars for a right of way purchase on holiday circle. 00:08:37
There are some costs that are not eligible for. 00:08:47
Reimbursement through that grant and that's about $10,000. And so this budget amendment also reflects transfer to cover that those 00:08:51
additional costs. And then finally I wanted to ask. 00:08:59
The council about some historic signs for the Cottonwood area. 00:09:07
And and Mayor, I don't know whether you want to, we have time in the work session to talk about. 00:09:14
The budget amendment specifically, and I've got some photos to share. I don't know if you'd rather. 00:09:22
Have those photos shared now or in the work session? In the work session OK. 00:09:28
So those are the capital projects fund amendments. 00:09:36
The amendment that I forgot to include from Capital Projects fund is $50,000 that the Council has previously indicated they were 00:09:41
supportive of. 00:09:46
To do some cost estimates on the size well on the building remodel project. 00:09:52
So I would add $50,000 to this budget amendment prior to your approval of it. 00:09:59
To cover those costs, do we need to have, well, we need a separate public hearing for that. 00:10:06
OK, so when we see this come up for. 00:10:12
There will be an additional 50,000 we'll have to take. 00:10:16
Revenue up from the fund balance $50,000 and then add that in as a line item. That's right. 00:10:20
I've got some questions, but I think it's probably more appropriate that I ask them in the work session where we have this agenda. 00:10:26
That sounds good. 00:10:30
Then in terms of the grants account, you'll see the recognition of. 00:10:35
Both our track fund, our state funding for 27th East and our corridor preservation grant as well as the transfer from capital 00:10:43
projects for all those projects I just described. 00:10:50
And then on the Arts fund, you'll see the transfer from the general fund for the increase in the salary and benefits associated 00:10:59
with our Arts and Culture manager. 00:11:05
So that one we have that transfers. 00:11:13
The General fund, the General Fund. But the 8012 is not part of that. No, that stays in the General Fund for the historic. 00:11:17
Commission doesn't have a separate fund like Arts does. It's a it's a enterprise fund and so it has to move. 00:11:29
Gotcha. 00:11:35
Any so we do have this agenda for the work session, so if we've got any questions we can dig into it but any? 00:11:39
Questions you want to ask Tina before we open the public hearing. 00:11:47
OK. 00:11:54
Thanks Tina. And with that. 00:11:55
We will open up the public hearing on proposed 2023-2024 budget amendments, Anybody wishing to address the Council on the budget 00:11:58
amendments. 00:12:02
As posted on the in the pack. 00:12:07
OK, there be none. We will close that public hearing. Then we move to item number 5 on the agenda. This is. 00:12:12
This is a cell tower we lease we have up in the Stratton Park area. 00:12:19
And there's just been, it sounds like there's been an additional expansion. I'm going to let Todd and. 00:12:25
Gina, whoever you would like Gina cover kind of the the overview of what this is and. 00:12:31
Then we can take it to a vote or. 00:12:37
Any of you? 00:12:40
So at the top of the strategic argument. 00:12:44
Installation. 00:12:49
Verizon. 00:12:52
The city to expand that site and also the compensation of the city. 00:12:55