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| It is October. | 2023-10-10 17:47:20 | |
| Attempt 2. | 2023-10-10 17:47:21 | |
| In 23, we'll get our work meeting start. | 2023-10-10 17:47:24 | |
| Live in attendance is Commissioner Gong, Commissioner Kenny. | 2023-10-10 17:47:27 | |
| Him. | 2023-10-10 17:47:29 | |
| Mr. Wilkinson and myself excuse. | 2023-10-10 17:47:30 | |
| Is Commissioner Banks font and print? | 2023-10-10 17:47:33 | |
| And with that we have two items. | 2023-10-10 17:47:36 | |
| On our agenda tonight, both for public hearing. | 2023-10-10 17:47:39 | |
| The conditional use permits and the other is a. | 2023-10-10 17:47:42 | |
| Thank you, the plat amendment. | 2023-10-10 17:47:45 | |
| So with that, we will. | 2023-10-10 17:47:48 | |
| Ask city staff. | 2023-10-10 17:47:50 | |
| To go ahead and kick us off and let us know what's. | 2023-10-10 17:47:54 | |
| Hey. | 2023-10-10 17:47:57 | |
| I was making sure we've got a recording going here. | 2023-10-10 17:48:00 | |
| Make sure you check that first. | 2023-10-10 17:48:03 | |
| OK, we're all set. | 2023-10-10 17:48:09 | |
| OK, so first item. | 2023-10-10 17:48:12 | |
| Is it will be a public hearing? | 2023-10-10 17:48:15 | |
| Or a conditional use permit for an. | 2023-10-10 17:48:18 | |
| Accessory building footprint size. | 2023-10-10 17:48:21 | |
| Quality code allowed for guest houses on property. | 2023-10-10 17:48:24 | |
| Things that are half an acre or larger that property. | 2023-10-10 17:48:27 | |
| Your question is 1.22 acres. | 2023-10-10 17:48:30 | |
| UH, would then be eligible for. | 2023-10-10 17:48:33 | |
| Permitted guesthouse of 2000 square FT. | 2023-10-10 17:48:36 | |
| Uh, this guest house is. | 2023-10-10 17:48:39 | |
| I think it was just over 3000 square feet. | 2023-10-10 17:48:42 | |
| The footprint does involve the front porch and back patio. | 2023-10-10 17:48:45 | |
| The site plan doesn't call those out in the square footage. | 2023-10-10 17:48:48 | |
| But I did measure those and those are included in the square footage and. | 2023-10-10 17:48:51 | |
| Staff report, so that's where the 3000 square feet is coming from. | 2023-10-10 17:48:54 | |
| To include the covered. | 2023-10-10 17:48:57 | |
| Back porch and the covered front porch. | 2023-10-10 17:49:00 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 17:49:02 | |
| Yeah. | 2023-10-10 17:49:03 | |
| So since that is larger than the permitted. | 2023-10-10 17:49:06 | |
| Size of plus a conditional use and the plan. | 2023-10-10 17:49:09 | |
| Missing town then engaged with the applicant. | 2023-10-10 17:49:12 | |
| Into what conditions can be imposed on that? | 2023-10-10 17:49:15 | |
| Um, allowance of the. | 2023-10-10 17:49:18 | |
| Guesthouse that's larger than the permitted size. | 2023-10-10 17:49:21 | |
| Any questions on that one? | 2023-10-10 17:49:24 | |
| And the the proper the. | 2023-10-10 17:49:27 | |
| Unit that's being proposed there without. | 2023-10-10 17:49:30 | |
| The covered sections included is. | 2023-10-10 17:49:33 | |
| In excess of the 2000 allowed that right? | 2023-10-10 17:49:36 | |
| The interior living space I think is. | 2023-10-10 17:49:39 | |
| Designated as. | 2023-10-10 17:49:41 | |
| 21. | 2023-10-10 17:49:42 | |
| 34 feet and then the garage is 6. | 2023-10-10 17:49:45 | |
| 122 square feet. | 2023-10-10 17:49:47 | |
| And is it standard? | 2023-10-10 17:49:51 | |
| To include the covered porches and patios as part. | 2023-10-10 17:49:54 | |
| Yes, anywhere where there is ground contact. | 2023-10-10 17:49:57 | |
| From a roof structure down. | 2023-10-10 17:50:00 | |
| To the the grounds where you have columns on. | 2023-10-10 17:50:03 | |
| Columns on back, patios. That's all part of. | 2023-10-10 17:50:06 | |
| Structure. | 2023-10-10 17:50:08 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 17:50:09 | |
| Other questions on this one. | 2023-10-10 17:50:14 | |
| And. | 2023-10-10 17:50:15 | |
| All of you got this updated tree removal plan that I. | 2023-10-10 17:50:18 | |
| Certified the trees. That would be something that you can discuss with the applicant. | 2023-10-10 17:50:21 | |
| As well. | 2023-10-10 17:50:23 | |
| Hey. | 2023-10-10 17:50:26 | |
| Any other? | 2023-10-10 17:50:27 | |
| Person Forget to move on to #2. | 2023-10-10 17:50:30 | |
| Looks like it. | 2023-10-10 17:50:30 | |
| OK, uh #2 uh this. | 2023-10-10 17:50:33 | |
| Is revising a PUD for the wood? | 2023-10-10 17:50:36 | |
| I've planned this unit development. | 2023-10-10 17:50:39 | |
| It involves. | 2023-10-10 17:50:41 | |
| Modifying the conditional. | 2023-10-10 17:50:42 | |
| This language to expand the building area. | 2023-10-10 17:50:45 | |
| Identified in the planned unit development. | 2023-10-10 17:50:48 | |
| Which would then be recorded onto the plat. | 2023-10-10 17:50:51 | |
| From. | 2023-10-10 17:50:53 | |
| Planet developments are conditional use. | 2023-10-10 17:50:54 | |
| As we work through those, you know we're typically look. | 2023-10-10 17:50:57 | |
| At building areas and those have to be designed. | 2023-10-10 17:51:00 | |
| Is on a plaque. It's a condition. | 2023-10-10 17:51:03 | |
| And of the use of the plant. | 2023-10-10 17:51:06 | |
| This is to have specific building areas. | 2023-10-10 17:51:09 | |
| Or places that are designated where buildings are allowed. | 2023-10-10 17:51:12 | |
| Um, this plot or or? | 2023-10-10 17:51:15 | |
| Deputy wasn't ever didn't. | 2023-10-10 17:51:18 | |
| Have a larger building area. | 2023-10-10 17:51:21 | |
| Um, outlined on it. So we are. | 2023-10-10 17:51:24 | |
| The proposals to add that? | 2023-10-10 17:51:27 | |
| To the plaque and the beauty. | 2023-10-10 17:51:30 | |
| Could you help us with the role of the? | 2023-10-10 17:51:36 | |
| Anyway in this issue? | 2023-10-10 17:51:39 | |
| I know it's not our purview. | 2023-10-10 17:51:42 | |
| To get involved with design issues and the cottage. | 2023-10-10 17:51:45 | |
| With you and all that but. | 2023-10-10 17:51:48 | |
| To see. | 2023-10-10 17:51:48 | |
| Don't have any standing to object. | 2023-10-10 17:51:51 | |
| To the platinum amendment. | 2023-10-10 17:51:54 | |
| Um, and where can we in on this one? But? | 2023-10-10 17:51:57 | |
| HOA's don't have any. | 2023-10-10 17:52:00 | |
| Say over regulations or standards that are allowed. | 2023-10-10 17:52:03 | |
| Within city code, just like city code can't override state. | 2023-10-10 17:52:06 | |
| HOA's can't override city code. | 2023-10-10 17:52:09 | |
| So accessory buildings are the allowed land. | 2023-10-10 17:52:12 | |
| This the lot area is. | 2023-10-10 17:52:15 | |
| Large enough to allow an accessory building. | 2023-10-10 17:52:18 | |
| The projects have to be amended to identify. | 2023-10-10 17:52:21 | |
| Like that? Space it within the community. | 2023-10-10 17:52:24 | |
| Nothing really to add in part. Well the. | 2023-10-10 17:52:30 | |
| Take away the. | 2023-10-10 17:52:32 | |
| As long as it's not. | 2023-10-10 17:52:33 | |
| Violating any of the CC and R mean they have their. | 2023-10-10 17:52:36 | |
| You know covenants that run with the land there and. | 2023-10-10 17:52:39 | |
| And like that's violating those. | 2023-10-10 17:52:42 | |
| But we don't verify that if this. | 2023-10-10 17:52:45 | |
| We don't go through and look at that. Does this violate the? | 2023-10-10 17:52:48 | |
| CC and ours. On this particular property we have the. | 2023-10-10 17:52:51 | |
| Have a contract matter so if somebody the HOA. | 2023-10-10 17:52:54 | |
| Or somebody within the HOA member of the HOA would have to. | 2023-10-10 17:52:57 | |
| Enforce that. | 2023-10-10 17:53:00 | |
| And we wouldn't also put any buildable area within. | 2023-10-10 17:53:06 | |
| Our public utility easements, and that's pretty standard. | 2023-10-10 17:53:09 | |
| Any luck? | 2023-10-10 17:53:12 | |
| You can't build struct. | 2023-10-10 17:53:12 | |
| Utility easement. | 2023-10-10 17:53:15 | |
| This is for a. | 2023-10-10 17:53:18 | |
| New structure, this isn't. | 2023-10-10 17:53:21 | |
| Like an 80 U accessory or anything. This is like for an. | 2023-10-10 17:53:24 | |
| Individual new structure, new lot, right? | 2023-10-10 17:53:27 | |
| Right, so since. | 2023-10-10 17:53:30 | |
| PUD doesn't have this. | 2023-10-10 17:53:33 | |
| Set. | 2023-10-10 17:53:33 | |
| The area identified explicitly as. | 2023-10-10 17:53:36 | |
| Rebuildable area so you have building envelope. | 2023-10-10 17:53:39 | |
| It was Um. | 2023-10-10 17:53:42 | |
| On the. | 2023-10-10 17:53:42 | |
| Personal PUD and plat. It was outlined in this. | 2023-10-10 17:53:45 | |
| Rent part. | 2023-10-10 17:53:48 | |
| So we need to amend it to create a building. | 2023-10-10 17:53:51 | |
| Area on this second part on the other side of. | 2023-10-10 17:53:54 | |
| This. | 2023-10-10 17:53:56 | |
| Movement, which is where it ditches. | 2023-10-10 17:53:57 | |
| So they can't build within the easement where the ditch. | 2023-10-10 17:54:00 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 17:54:03 | |
| Adding this to. | 2023-10-10 17:54:04 | |
| Building area, there wasn't any requirement. | 2023-10-10 17:54:07 | |
| In the community for open space that, that. | 2023-10-10 17:54:10 | |
| Area is meeting. | 2023-10-10 17:54:12 | |
| So there is. | 2023-10-10 17:54:13 | |
| Any issues with? | 2023-10-10 17:54:15 | |
| Identifying additional building area. | 2023-10-10 17:54:19 | |
| In one of the. | 2023-10-10 17:54:22 | |
| I think this is the owner's letter, they said. | 2023-10-10 17:54:25 | |
| Through. | 2023-10-10 17:54:27 | |
| They're building the accessory unit and. | 2023-10-10 17:54:28 | |
| They're going to keep their current home. | 2023-10-10 17:54:30 | |
| The more spiritual structure. So does that mean that? | 2023-10-10 17:54:34 | |
| They're going to be eventually two houses there or they're. | 2023-10-10 17:54:37 | |
| Been completely. | 2023-10-10 17:54:39 | |
| So it'll be like an. | 2023-10-10 17:54:40 | |
| Accessory Dwelling unit if because. | 2023-10-10 17:54:43 | |
| They'll be creating a dwelling unit in that access. | 2023-10-10 17:54:46 | |
| The structure that they will then live in and then. | 2023-10-10 17:54:49 | |
| Building a new house so that but it won't be. | 2023-10-10 17:54:52 | |
| Two separate houses that are. | 2023-10-10 17:54:55 | |
| Single family dwelling houses. It's an. | 2023-10-10 17:54:58 | |
| Accessories to the main unit. Got it. So they're. | 2023-10-10 17:55:01 | |
| Living with you for however long takes to be able to. | 2023-10-10 17:55:04 | |
| But then it will still be, maybe you will. Yeah. Yeah. And that. | 2023-10-10 17:55:07 | |
| Is a pretty common thing that we have with building permit. | 2023-10-10 17:55:10 | |
| A lot of applicants will first construct. | 2023-10-10 17:55:13 | |
| Accessory units and live in that. | 2023-10-10 17:55:16 | |
| Probably. | 2023-10-10 17:55:18 | |
| Tear down, rebuild that. | 2023-10-10 17:55:19 | |
| And can you say again what you said? | 2023-10-10 17:55:22 | |
| OK, the easement for. | 2023-10-10 17:55:25 | |
| Like a little stream bed right there, Yes. | 2023-10-10 17:55:28 | |
| So this area that's right down the middle of. | 2023-10-10 17:55:31 | |
| But one for lot 1 is this whole. | 2023-10-10 17:55:34 | |
| Area from I Let's see 6. | 2023-10-10 17:55:37 | |
| 200 S and then I think it goes. | 2023-10-10 17:55:40 | |
| So the property line is here. | 2023-10-10 17:55:43 | |
| Sorry the confused go out sometimes. | 2023-10-10 17:55:46 | |
| Uh. | 2023-10-10 17:55:48 | |
| Their whole lives are for. | 2023-10-10 17:55:49 | |
| Has this ditch across the middle of. | 2023-10-10 17:55:52 | |
| That bisects it, but it's not. | 2023-10-10 17:55:55 | |
| A boundary of any sort. It's just an easement. | 2023-10-10 17:55:58 | |
| They can't build within that easement. | 2023-10-10 17:56:01 | |
| Because it's an irrigation ditch. OK, so the. | 2023-10-10 17:56:04 | |
| You is going to be over there. It's not racing with us, Yeah, but. | 2023-10-10 17:56:07 | |
| Going to be in the second. | 2023-10-10 17:56:09 | |
| Area over here. | 2023-10-10 17:56:10 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 17:56:12 | |
| And then of course would have to. | 2023-10-10 17:56:13 | |
| The all standards with setbacks. | 2023-10-10 17:56:16 | |
| And um, heights restrictions that are. | 2023-10-10 17:56:19 | |
| For accessory buildings. | 2023-10-10 17:56:22 | |
| And same thing, they should come back if they wanted to. | 2023-10-10 17:56:25 | |
| We have a building that's larger than is permitted. | 2023-10-10 17:56:28 | |
| As larger footprints are a conditional use, so they would. | 2023-10-10 17:56:31 | |
| To come back for a conditional, use for anything larger than. | 2023-10-10 17:56:34 | |
| Permitted. | 2023-10-10 17:56:36 | |
| And at this time. | 2023-10-10 17:56:37 | |
| And they're just essentially looking for an amendment to the existing fee. | 2023-10-10 17:56:40 | |
| And so they can build their. | 2023-10-10 17:56:42 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 17:56:43 | |
| Guest house that will be their residence where they. | 2023-10-10 17:56:46 | |
| Have a new one, right? | 2023-10-10 17:56:49 | |
| As a practical. | 2023-10-10 17:56:52 | |
| Maybe. | 2023-10-10 17:56:55 | |
| Right, Yes. So currently there is. | 2023-10-10 17:57:01 | |
| There's two shipping containers. | 2023-10-10 17:57:04 | |
| With a restructure override that is housing construct. | 2023-10-10 17:57:07 | |
| Materials and equipment. Those are temporary. | 2023-10-10 17:57:10 | |
| Produces incidental to the construction. | 2023-10-10 17:57:13 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 17:57:15 | |
| Kind of the staging that. | 2023-10-10 17:57:16 | |
| It's tied to this application, so. | 2023-10-10 17:57:22 | |
| Kind of this multi stage process that. | 2023-10-10 17:57:25 | |
| Because they've submitted this application as the. | 2023-10-10 17:57:28 | |
| Director has okayed a temporary struct. | 2023-10-10 17:57:31 | |
| And it's not a permanent structure. That's fine. | 2023-10-10 17:57:34 | |
| Foundation it is. | 2023-10-10 17:57:37 | |
| Buildings or trailers that are parked on the. | 2023-10-10 17:57:40 | |
| On the lamp. | 2023-10-10 17:57:42 | |
| Which we are not living in. | 2023-10-10 17:57:43 | |
| Right, OK. No, not living in those. | 2023-10-10 17:57:46 | |
| Not that I imagine anyone would. | 2023-10-10 17:57:49 | |
| OK. Any uh, any additional question? | 2023-10-10 17:57:52 | |
| Things on either of these. | 2023-10-10 17:57:55 | |
| And is it? | 2023-10-10 17:57:55 | |
| The lot seems. | 2023-10-10 17:57:58 | |
| Does that automatically approve future? | 2023-10-10 17:58:01 | |
| Because of EU is a. | 2023-10-10 17:58:04 | |
| No. So. So you're what you. | 2023-10-10 17:58:07 | |
| Or changing is the conditions of. | 2023-10-10 17:58:10 | |
| Of the planned unit development and the conditions being. | 2023-10-10 17:58:13 | |
| I think the buildable area that's identified on the. | 2023-10-10 17:58:16 | |
| So you're just creating if you. | 2023-10-10 17:58:19 | |
| To approve it, you're creating a buildable. | 2023-10-10 17:58:22 | |
| Area or a building envelope where an act. | 2023-10-10 17:58:25 | |
| Three structure could in the future be built. | 2023-10-10 17:58:28 | |
| You know. | 2023-10-10 17:58:34 | |
| OK, perfect. Thank you very much. | 2023-10-10 17:58:37 | |
| For that, yeah. One, one thing, just a remind. | 2023-10-10 17:58:40 | |
| Because there's only four members of the planning comma. | 2023-10-10 17:58:43 | |
| In order to have a successful vote, it has to be unami. | 2023-10-10 17:58:47 | |
| Otherwise you don't have. | 2023-10-10 17:58:49 | |
| You don't have a passing boat. | 2023-10-10 17:58:52 | |
| You got to have a majority of not a majority of those present you. | 2023-10-10 17:58:55 | |
| The majority of the Planning Commission, so that would you do? | 2023-10-10 17:58:58 | |
| Like that but. | 2023-10-10 17:59:00 | |
| Have to have 4-4, yeah. | 2023-10-10 17:59:01 | |
| Yep, for in order to pass in additions. Yep. | 2023-10-10 17:59:04 | |
| Anything to pass, it has to have. It has to be unanimous tonight because there's only. | 2023-10-10 17:59:07 | |
| Thank you for. | 2023-10-10 17:59:10 | |
| Reminder, Brian, appreciate. | 2023-10-10 17:59:10 | |
| Alright, with that, we'll go ahead and. | 2023-10-10 17:59:13 | |
| Close the work meeting. | 2023-10-10 17:59:16 | |
| I'm a person of the HOA. | 2023-10-10 17:59:19 | |
| OK, We're going to have a public hearing on that. | 2023-10-10 17:59:25 | |
| We get to that item on there, so we'll definitely. | 2023-10-10 17:59:28 | |
| Invite you up to to make comments, so appreciate it. Thanks. | 2023-10-10 17:59:31 | |
| Alright, and with that. | 2023-10-10 17:59:34 | |
| We need a break before we move right into the official. | 2023-10-10 17:59:38 | |
| Everybody good? All right, Fantastic. | 2023-10-10 17:59:40 | |
| So with that, we'll go ahead and get started. | 2023-10-10 17:59:44 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 17:59:46 | |
| This is Chair Rd. | 2023-10-10 17:59:46 | |
| And we have in attendance comma. | 2023-10-10 17:59:50 | |
| They're gone. Commissioner Gunningham and Commissioner Bilinski. | 2023-10-10 17:59:52 | |
| Excuse the night as Commissioner Banks fall. | 2023-10-10 17:59:55 | |
| And print. | 2023-10-10 17:59:58 | |
| And as council. | 2023-10-10 17:59:58 | |
| And any motions to pass. | 2023-10-10 18:00:01 | |
| Would have unanimous of the four present. | 2023-10-10 18:00:05 | |
| Um, we have two different. | 2023-10-10 18:00:07 | |
| I. | 2023-10-10 18:00:07 | |
| On our agenda tonight for. | 2023-10-10 18:00:11 | |
| Public hearing. | 2023-10-10 18:00:13 | |
| And we will. | 2023-10-10 18:00:14 | |
| Remember to come up with that time when those are ready to go and we. | 2023-10-10 18:00:16 | |
| You have a statement that we read at the beginning of all meetings. | 2023-10-10 18:00:19 | |
| Then I have asked Commissioner, gone to go ahead and read. | 2023-10-10 18:00:22 | |
| That for us? | 2023-10-10 18:00:25 | |
| OK, the three. | 2023-10-10 18:00:25 | |
| Party Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board. | 2023-10-10 18:00:28 | |
| Whose function is to review land use plans and other special. | 2023-10-10 18:00:32 | |
| Make recommendations to the City Council and proposed. | 2023-10-10 18:00:35 | |
| Bring up an ordinance changes and approved conditional uses. | 2023-10-10 18:00:38 | |
| Subdivision. | 2023-10-10 18:00:40 | |
| The Planning Commission does not. | 2023-10-10 18:00:40 | |
| Land use applications rather acts on applications. | 2023-10-10 18:00:44 | |
| Once they are submitted, commissioners do not meet with Apple. | 2023-10-10 18:00:47 | |
| With applicants except as publicly. | 2023-10-10 18:00:50 | |
| Publicly noticed meetings. | 2023-10-10 18:00:52 | |
| Commissioners attempt to visit. | 2023-10-10 18:00:53 | |
| Every property on the agenda with location, the nature of the neighborhood. | 2023-10-10 18:00:56 | |
| Existing structures and uses related to the proposed change. | 2023-10-10 18:00:59 | |
| Student. | 2023-10-10 18:01:00 | |
| Decisions are based on observations. | 2023-10-10 18:01:02 | |
| Recommendations from the professional planning staff. | 2023-10-10 18:01:05 | |
| These general plan zoning ordinance and other reports by. | 2023-10-10 18:01:08 | |
| All verbal and written comments and by evidence. | 2023-10-10 18:01:11 | |
| That all of which are part of the public record. | 2023-10-10 18:01:13 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 18:01:14 | |
| Thank you very much, Commissioner Gong, and with that. | 2023-10-10 18:01:17 | |
| We will get started and just as we kind of. | 2023-10-10 18:01:20 | |
| Onto each item before we get into the public hearing. | 2023-10-10 18:01:23 | |
| Uh, we'll have a staff reports we'll invite. | 2023-10-10 18:01:26 | |
| The applicant come up and add any additional information. | 2023-10-10 18:01:29 | |
| Needs to be presented and UH, Commissioner. | 2023-10-10 18:01:32 | |
| To be able to ask the applicant any questions, we'll then open the public. | 2023-10-10 18:01:35 | |
| I'm hearing I do see we have it looks like a couple visitors with. | 2023-10-10 18:01:38 | |
| Tonight, that might not be directly associated with the. | 2023-10-10 18:01:41 | |
| Accounts and if that is the case, when you do come up. | 2023-10-10 18:01:44 | |
| Please state your name and address for the record and try and keep. | 2023-10-10 18:01:47 | |
| Your comments as brief to the point of post. | 2023-10-10 18:01:50 | |
| And if you're. | 2023-10-10 18:01:52 | |
| Also following someone. | 2023-10-10 18:01:53 | |
| Have made comments on some things last time not to restate. | 2023-10-10 18:01:56 | |
| The same things and over reiterate the same point. | 2023-10-10 18:01:59 | |
| And so with that, the first item that we. | 2023-10-10 18:02:02 | |
| In our agenda tonight is the conditional use permit for an. | 2023-10-10 18:02:05 | |
| Three, building footprint size located at. | 2023-10-10 18:02:08 | |
| 5176 Cottonwood Lane. | 2023-10-10 18:02:11 | |
| If we can ask our staff. | 2023-10-10 18:02:14 | |
| This is Marsha. Come up and let us know what's going on. | 2023-10-10 18:02:17 | |
| Thank you, Mr. Rose. | 2023-10-10 18:02:32 | |
| This application is for conditional use. | 2023-10-10 18:02:35 | |
| For a guest house located. | 2023-10-10 18:02:38 | |
| At UM 5170. | 2023-10-10 18:02:41 | |
| South Cottonwood Lane, and it's on a one point. | 2023-10-10 18:02:44 | |
| 22 acre property being over one acre. | 2023-10-10 18:02:47 | |
| As. | 2023-10-10 18:02:49 | |
| Permitted guest house. | 2023-10-10 18:02:50 | |
| That was 2000 square feet. Uh, they're proposing. | 2023-10-10 18:02:53 | |
| Roughly 3016 ^2. | 2023-10-10 18:02:56 | |
| A square feet that includes the living space figure. | 2023-10-10 18:02:59 | |
| Guys covered porches and patios. | 2023-10-10 18:03:02 | |
| The. | 2023-10-10 18:03:05 | |
| Can. | 2023-10-10 18:03:05 | |
| Then uh. | 2023-10-10 18:03:07 | |
| Can be based off of the size of the property and the planning. | 2023-10-10 18:03:11 | |
| I think I'm at the site plan. | 2023-10-10 18:03:14 | |
| Those trees being removed engineer. | 2023-10-10 18:03:17 | |
| That has looked at the site and found that it's. | 2023-10-10 18:03:20 | |
| You know the location of the driveway is approx. | 2023-10-10 18:03:23 | |
| That setbacks are appropriate. | 2023-10-10 18:03:26 | |
| Or accessory building. | 2023-10-10 18:03:29 | |
| There are, I think, those minimum setbacks for an accessory. | 2023-10-10 18:03:32 | |
| In our 13 feet and proposed is. | 2023-10-10 18:03:35 | |
| 15 feet. | 2023-10-10 18:03:37 | |
| Um, and. | 2023-10-10 18:03:38 | |
| And. | 2023-10-10 18:03:40 | |
| I will have the apple. | 2023-10-10 18:03:41 | |
| And come up and they can talk about their project a little bit. | 2023-10-10 18:03:44 | |
| OK. Thank you very much. And with. | 2023-10-10 18:03:47 | |
| And that will go ahead and ask if the applicant. | 2023-10-10 18:03:50 | |
| Here it looks like Mike Steinhauer is the. | 2023-10-10 18:03:53 | |
| Representing property owner. | 2023-10-10 18:03:56 | |
| If you'll state your name and address and let us. | 2023-10-10 18:03:59 | |
| What's going on with it? | 2023-10-10 18:04:01 | |
| Mike Spainhower. | 2023-10-10 18:04:02 | |
| UH-2682 W. | 2023-10-10 18:04:05 | |
| 9435 S South Jordan. | 2023-10-10 18:04:08 | |
| Representing the applicant or the. | 2023-10-10 18:04:11 | |
| Property owner. | 2023-10-10 18:04:13 | |
| So. | 2023-10-10 18:04:14 | |
| This unit that is livable space is 20. | 2023-10-10 18:04:17 | |
| 100 square feet, but then we back with the garage. | 2023-10-10 18:04:20 | |
| Charging and the porch and the back patio. | 2023-10-10 18:04:23 | |
| It increased it, just nearly. | 2023-10-10 18:04:26 | |
| 3000 square feet so. | 2023-10-10 18:04:29 | |
| Needed to go. | 2023-10-10 18:04:29 | |
| Through this conditional use for this approval. | 2023-10-10 18:04:32 | |
| I just if you have any other questions? | 2023-10-10 18:04:35 | |
| I'm happy to help answer. | 2023-10-10 18:04:38 | |
| May OK. | 2023-10-10 18:04:41 | |
| But it's just. | 2023-10-10 18:04:44 | |
| Because of the. | 2023-10-10 18:04:47 | |
| Reconfirmed. | 2023-10-10 18:04:59 | |
| I. | 2023-10-10 18:05:02 | |
| I think so. Maybe Carrie can speak to that a little bit better. | 2023-10-10 18:05:05 | |
| Um, they usually have a marked B. | 2023-10-10 18:05:08 | |
| Uh, addressed. But come. | 2023-10-10 18:05:11 | |
| From a different street, I think it just. | 2023-10-10 18:05:14 | |
| Remains the primary address. | 2023-10-10 18:05:17 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 18:05:17 | |
| And anytime we have an accessory unit, it. | 2023-10-10 18:05:20 | |
| Is addressed with the same as the main. | 2023-10-10 18:05:23 | |
| With living in it, with the addition of unity. | 2023-10-10 18:05:26 | |
| Commissioner Roach did want to ask. | 2023-10-10 18:05:32 | |
| About the trees and the. | 2023-10-10 18:05:35 | |
| The Canopy Sustainability I. | 2023-10-10 18:05:38 | |
| Just in a site visit earlier, it looks like the. | 2023-10-10 18:05:41 | |
| Main free being proposed. | 2023-10-10 18:05:44 | |
| The removal along that driveway, is they very large? | 2023-10-10 18:05:47 | |
| Cottonwood tree. | 2023-10-10 18:05:50 | |
| That appears to to you know. | 2023-10-10 18:05:53 | |
| Still being in good health, I was just curious if there's a. | 2023-10-10 18:05:56 | |
| Then why? You know being? | 2023-10-10 18:05:59 | |
| In a tree City, USA, we obviously want to protect. | 2023-10-10 18:06:02 | |
| Are large stately trees as much as possible? | 2023-10-10 18:06:05 | |
| Why it wasn't being looked at, perhaps being moved over to the. | 2023-10-10 18:06:08 | |
| Northeast corner where it looks like there's already an excess. | 2023-10-10 18:06:11 | |
| Stable gate entry onto the property right there. | 2023-10-10 18:06:15 | |
| Running along the same Rd. | 2023-10-10 18:06:17 | |
| Yeah, and. | 2023-10-10 18:06:17 | |
| That discussions come up the. | 2023-10-10 18:06:20 | |
| Primary reason for the location of the 80. | 2023-10-10 18:06:23 | |
| Who is? | 2023-10-10 18:06:25 | |
| So the view. | 2023-10-10 18:06:26 | |
| From their primary residence. | 2023-10-10 18:06:29 | |
| Still captures the mountains. | 2023-10-10 18:06:33 | |
| So you have this nice home here. | 2023-10-10 18:06:35 | |
| On this nice property. | 2023-10-10 18:06:39 | |
| With mountain views and so. | 2023-10-10 18:06:42 | |
| The idea is to maintain that. | 2023-10-10 18:06:45 | |
| Great view to Mount Olympus. | 2023-10-10 18:06:47 | |
| Through this. | 2023-10-10 18:06:48 | |
| The corridor to the north of the building. | 2023-10-10 18:06:51 | |
| And so the. | 2023-10-10 18:06:53 | |
| The. | 2023-10-10 18:06:53 | |
| Structure is pushed South. | 2023-10-10 18:06:57 | |
| So that. | 2023-10-10 18:06:59 | |
| And that view corridor will be maintained. | 2023-10-10 18:07:03 | |
| And then it's kind of it's kind of away. | 2023-10-10 18:07:06 | |
| Most of the traffic as well you have traffic at. | 2023-10-10 18:07:09 | |
| Corner and. So this hides the. | 2023-10-10 18:07:12 | |
| Made you more in that corner with the with. | 2023-10-10 18:07:15 | |
| The trees are lines along that property. | 2023-10-10 18:07:18 | |
| Line on both sides. | 2023-10-10 18:07:20 | |
| So it kind of. | 2023-10-10 18:07:21 | |
| Snuggled into the. | 2023-10-10 18:07:24 | |
| Existing trees that are there. | 2023-10-10 18:07:26 | |
| OK. And is there? | 2023-10-10 18:07:30 | |
| A plan. I didn't see it in what was submitted and. | 2023-10-10 18:07:33 | |
| If I overlooked it, but is there a plan and and replacing that? | 2023-10-10 18:07:36 | |
| Lost canopy from those large trees that will be taken. | 2023-10-10 18:07:39 | |
| Place there, Yeah, so there's new. | 2023-10-10 18:07:42 | |
| Be labeled there. I think you know her. | 2023-10-10 18:07:45 | |
| Your mouse is hovering over those areas right there. | 2023-10-10 18:07:48 | |
| So basically right now we. | 2023-10-10 18:07:51 | |
| Think 5 trees will need to be removed and that's really basic. | 2023-10-10 18:07:54 | |
| Really. Because of the driveway and. | 2023-10-10 18:07:57 | |
| In the garage area and so 5 trees. | 2023-10-10 18:08:00 | |
| There. | 2023-10-10 18:08:02 | |
| Proposed to be on that. | 2023-10-10 18:08:03 | |
| North side to the further secluded. | 2023-10-10 18:08:06 | |
| And not have it be a nuisance for passerby. | 2023-10-10 18:08:09 | |
| And with those new trees, they'll be. | 2023-10-10 18:08:12 | |
| Maturing the canopy at maturity income. | 2023-10-10 18:08:15 | |
| And then note, yeah, obviously out immediately. | 2023-10-10 18:08:18 | |
| Yeah, as nice as it would be to require you to pay 1000. | 2023-10-10 18:08:21 | |
| Dollars to relocate a large Cottonwood. I don't think that's viable. | 2023-10-10 18:08:24 | |
| For sure. | 2023-10-10 18:08:26 | |
| All right. | 2023-10-10 18:08:27 | |
| Commissioners, any other? | 2023-10-10 18:08:30 | |
| Questions for the applicant at this time. | 2023-10-10 18:08:32 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 18:08:33 | |
| We'll go ahead and invite you to sit down. OK then we will. | 2023-10-10 18:08:36 | |
| Moved to open the public hearing on this and. | 2023-10-10 18:08:39 | |
| Again, this is for the property at 5176 cotton. | 2023-10-10 18:08:42 | |
| Wayne if there is any members of the public here that would like. | 2023-10-10 18:08:45 | |
| To make comments on this, you're welcome to come. | 2023-10-10 18:08:48 | |
| At this time, just please state your name and address for the. | 2023-10-10 18:08:51 | |
| Does not look like anybody. | 2023-10-10 18:08:57 | |
| Is here for comment on this. | 2023-10-10 18:09:00 | |
| With that, we'll go ahead and. | 2023-10-10 18:09:02 | |
| Close the public key. | 2023-10-10 18:09:03 | |
| 3. | 2023-10-10 18:09:05 | |
| And with the. | 2023-10-10 18:09:06 | |
| Commissioners will go ahead and discuss. | 2023-10-10 18:09:09 | |
| The application so. | 2023-10-10 18:09:12 | |
| Mr. Coming home? Any thoughts? | 2023-10-10 18:09:15 | |
| Go back. | 2023-10-10 18:09:17 | |
| You're right. | 2023-10-10 18:09:30 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 18:09:59 | |
| Mr. Wilkins. | 2023-10-10 18:10:00 | |
| And going over. | 2023-10-10 18:10:03 | |
| For the. | 2023-10-10 18:10:05 | |
| Report. | 2023-10-10 18:10:06 | |
| During what? | 2023-10-10 18:10:06 | |
| Have been said. I don't think there's anything that would prevent us. | 2023-10-10 18:10:09 | |
| People. | 2023-10-10 18:10:12 | |
| If you don't. | 2023-10-10 18:10:15 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 18:10:18 | |
| I guess my. | 2023-10-10 18:10:21 | |
| Kind of, and this may sound silly, but. | 2023-10-10 18:10:24 | |
| Why is it so big? So the limit is 2000. | 2023-10-10 18:10:27 | |
| See, this is a little bit more than 3000 feet. Is there a reason that could? | 2023-10-10 18:10:30 | |
| In 2003 it is, and it's probably just, you know. | 2023-10-10 18:10:33 | |
| They want it to be nice. They want it to be big. | 2023-10-10 18:10:36 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:10:36 | |
| So it doesn't seem in itself. | 2023-10-10 18:10:39 | |
| Question. | 2023-10-10 18:10:41 | |
| A problem, but my question is just. | 2023-10-10 18:10:42 | |
| If the rules 2000. | 2023-10-10 18:10:45 | |
| There are compelling reason why it is. | 2023-10-10 18:10:48 | |
| It should be allowed to be so much bigger. | 2023-10-10 18:10:51 | |
| And that's a great question, which I believe I had. | 2023-10-10 18:10:54 | |
| Little bit of discussion with city staff earlier on and. | 2023-10-10 18:10:57 | |
| You know, Carrie, maybe if you want to reiterate that point. | 2023-10-10 18:11:00 | |
| When I kind of posed that earlier. | 2023-10-10 18:11:03 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 18:11:03 | |
| So that is what conditions being placed on. | 2023-10-10 18:11:06 | |
| On on a use would be so in this particular. | 2023-10-10 18:11:09 | |
| For use as a guest house you can place. | 2023-10-10 18:11:12 | |
| Distance on it where maybe increasing. | 2023-10-10 18:11:15 | |
| Back beyond what the minimum are is. | 2023-10-10 18:11:18 | |
| The intent is to reduce the impact on the. | 2023-10-10 18:11:21 | |
| Spring properties. | 2023-10-10 18:11:24 | |
| For the. | 2023-10-10 18:11:24 | |
| Their proposal? They've already increased the setbacks beyond. | 2023-10-10 18:11:27 | |
| What would be required so you can take? | 2023-10-10 18:11:30 | |
| Into account you can see if there's any other. | 2023-10-10 18:11:33 | |
| Other conditions that might be reasonable and discuss those with the apple. | 2023-10-10 18:11:36 | |
| With or with the applicant. | 2023-10-10 18:11:39 | |
| Historically, where we have where it is at. | 2023-10-10 18:11:42 | |
| No, Yes, we have. | 2023-10-10 18:11:45 | |
| Or issued conditional use permit. | 2023-10-10 18:11:48 | |
| For accessory buildings that are much. | 2023-10-10 18:11:51 | |
| Larger too. | 2023-10-10 18:11:53 | |
| And some of my understand. | 2023-10-10 18:11:57 | |
| Thing also was that the the process? | 2023-10-10 18:12:00 | |
| Is in place this way so that it comes. | 2023-10-10 18:12:03 | |
| Before the body for. | 2023-10-10 18:12:06 | |
| Neighbors and those that might have concerns about. | 2023-10-10 18:12:09 | |
| Having a new. | 2023-10-10 18:12:12 | |
| 2. | 2023-10-10 18:12:12 | |
| 3000 foot structure right up against their. | 2023-10-10 18:12:15 | |
| Property line. They could come and vent those out if there. | 2023-10-10 18:12:18 | |
| The concern about it rather than everything just getting. | 2023-10-10 18:12:21 | |
| Approved. And then all of a sudden there's a house sitting in their back. | 2023-10-10 18:12:24 | |
| That. | 2023-10-10 18:12:30 | |
| So. | 2023-10-10 18:12:30 | |
| That's that's kind of why there's the allowance of the code. | 2023-10-10 18:12:33 | |
| That was my first question. Why don't they just stick with the 2000 that's? | 2023-10-10 18:12:36 | |
| Code but it was to allow that that venting. | 2023-10-10 18:12:39 | |
| Process and public hearing to. | 2023-10-10 18:12:42 | |
| Neighbors and opportunity, if there are concerns. | 2023-10-10 18:12:45 | |
| About making an exception to that standardized. | 2023-10-10 18:12:48 | |
| Without having to go to, you know, the city, Coun. | 2023-10-10 18:12:52 | |
| You know have a multitude of. | 2023-10-10 18:12:55 | |
| These meetings to explain why. | 2023-10-10 18:12:57 | |
| Um, I think for myself, the. | 2023-10-10 18:13:01 | |
| I I am hesitant. | 2023-10-10 18:13:04 | |
| Because of the large Cottonwood, there's not a lot of large cottonwoods. | 2023-10-10 18:13:07 | |
| Left, but I also look at the long. | 2023-10-10 18:13:10 | |
| Term. I appreciate what they're trying to do and keep them out. | 2023-10-10 18:13:13 | |
| Reviews like I appreciate the aesthetics factor. | 2023-10-10 18:13:16 | |
| I still don't know for myself why it can't be. | 2023-10-10 18:13:19 | |
| Say. | 2023-10-10 18:13:21 | |
| 10 feet to the West. | 2023-10-10 18:13:22 | |
| And face the North and have a driveway that just shoots out. | 2023-10-10 18:13:25 | |
| From the existing gate that's already got. | 2023-10-10 18:13:28 | |
| An egress to the road there. | 2023-10-10 18:13:31 | |
| But at the same time, I recognize that you know. | 2023-10-10 18:13:34 | |
| We do have a lifespan and when you do a lot of construction. | 2023-10-10 18:13:37 | |
| Down tree, the long term viability. | 2023-10-10 18:13:40 | |
| Study of some of those larger stately trees. | 2023-10-10 18:13:43 | |
| May not be. | 2023-10-10 18:13:45 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 18:13:46 | |
| Absolutely viable in 10 to 15 years. | 2023-10-10 18:13:49 | |
| And so would it really be worth? | 2023-10-10 18:13:51 | |
| Requiring and putting constraints on the applicant. | 2023-10-10 18:13:55 | |
| To move this somewhere else on the property to. | 2023-10-10 18:13:58 | |
| And protect some trees that may not be there in 5 to 10 years. | 2023-10-10 18:14:01 | |
| So they get done with construction anyway. | 2023-10-10 18:14:03 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:14:04 | |
| I think as long as they're adhering to the. | 2023-10-10 18:14:07 | |
| Tree canopy ordinance and they're making sure that they. | 2023-10-10 18:14:10 | |
| Putting in trees that are going to be large enough to replace that can. | 2023-10-10 18:14:13 | |
| It doesn't sound like they're. | 2023-10-10 18:14:15 | |
| Doing. | 2023-10-10 18:14:16 | |
| To make the property look. | 2023-10-10 18:14:19 | |
| Worse than any way. Or do it for profit. It sounds like it's. | 2023-10-10 18:14:22 | |
| For a personal use and. | 2023-10-10 18:14:25 | |
| By code, it sounds like that's exactly what it would have to be for. | 2023-10-10 18:14:28 | |
| I see no reason why. | 2023-10-10 18:14:30 | |
| Really should not move forward with. | 2023-10-10 18:14:34 | |
| Approval on that, but I don't want to make the. | 2023-10-10 18:14:37 | |
| Wait for anyone and unless there's any further discussion. | 2023-10-10 18:14:40 | |
| I am inviting the group if anyone. | 2023-10-10 18:14:43 | |
| To make a motion. | 2023-10-10 18:14:45 | |
| Planning Commission approval. | 2023-10-10 18:14:52 | |
| 3016 Square. | 2023-10-10 18:14:58 | |
| Locate. | 2023-10-10 18:15:00 | |
| 5176. | 2023-10-10 18:15:01 | |
| Based upon the. | 2023-10-10 18:15:04 | |
| 1. | 2023-10-10 18:15:04 | |
| Fire structure. | 2023-10-10 18:15:06 | |
| Issues. | 2023-10-10 18:15:07 | |
| 13.08. | 2023-10-10 18:15:10 | |
| Fielding only. | 2023-10-10 18:15:13 | |
| Use. | 2023-10-10 18:15:15 | |
| 3 The proposed guest house location is, not. | 2023-10-10 18:15:19 | |
| 4. | 2023-10-10 18:15:24 | |
| Yeah. | 2023-10-10 18:15:25 | |
| Written or verbally? | 2023-10-10 18:15:28 | |
| Yeah, it's. | 2023-10-10 18:15:30 | |
| You can. | 2023-10-10 18:15:33 | |
| Approval. | 2023-10-10 18:15:36 | |
| Could affect. | 2023-10-10 18:15:40 | |
| Conditions of the. | 2023-10-10 18:15:46 | |
| Cancel. | 2023-10-10 18:15:49 | |
| For the proposed guest house. | 2023-10-10 18:15:51 | |
| The applicant will. | 2023-10-10 18:15:52 | |
| Why would our engineering landscaping geotech? | 2023-10-10 18:15:55 | |
| Report from the utility of. | 2023-10-10 18:15:57 | |
| For the. | 2023-10-10 18:16:01 | |
| We have a motion. Do we have a second? | 2023-10-10 18:16:06 | |
| Miss. | 2023-10-10 18:16:07 | |
| Productivity. I second that motion. All right? | 2023-10-10 18:16:10 | |
| And then seconded and with that we will call. | 2023-10-10 18:16:13 | |
| The vote will start down here, Commissioner Dong. | 2023-10-10 18:16:16 | |
| Um, I? | 2023-10-10 18:16:18 | |
| Commissioner Lupinski. | 2023-10-10 18:16:19 | |
| Mr. Cunningham and Chair Roach votes. | 2023-10-10 18:16:22 | |
| Alright, so it does pass. | 2023-10-10 18:16:24 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:16:25 | |
| And with that? | 2023-10-10 18:16:27 | |
| Look forward to. | 2023-10-10 18:16:28 | |
| Seeing the finished result. | 2023-10-10 18:16:30 | |
| Alright, thank you very much. | 2023-10-10 18:16:34 | |
| With that we will move to the next item. | 2023-10-10 18:16:37 | |
| On our agenda the Woods PUD plat. | 2023-10-10 18:16:40 | |
| Amendment at 6235, S 2710. | 2023-10-10 18:16:43 | |
| East and we will invite. | 2023-10-10 18:16:46 | |
| Is there? | 2023-10-10 18:16:48 | |
| This is Marsha come. | 2023-10-10 18:16:49 | |
| Wake up and give us the lowdown on this. | 2023-10-10 18:16:52 | |
| Thank you, Commissioner Roche. | 2023-10-10 18:17:01 | |
| This application is. | 2023-10-10 18:17:04 | |
| And. | 2023-10-10 18:17:06 | |
| For the, it's made by the property owner. | 2023-10-10 18:17:07 | |
| The men the conditions of approval for PUD. | 2023-10-10 18:17:10 | |
| Which identifies the building area. | 2023-10-10 18:17:13 | |
| It is associated with lot and 1:00 in. | 2023-10-10 18:17:16 | |
| What's the word? Purity is a four lot. | 2023-10-10 18:17:19 | |
| Division. It was created in 2005. | 2023-10-10 18:17:22 | |
| Um, lot 1 is unique in that there is. | 2023-10-10 18:17:25 | |
| The drainage easement the bisects a lot. | 2023-10-10 18:17:28 | |
| On the original plat and in the conditions of the original. | 2023-10-10 18:17:31 | |
| Beauty and the building areas did not include. | 2023-10-10 18:17:34 | |
| Food area that is on one side of that. | 2023-10-10 18:17:37 | |
| Drainage easement. | 2023-10-10 18:17:40 | |
| So. | 2023-10-10 18:17:42 | |
| Accessory buildings are. | 2023-10-10 18:17:43 | |
| A permitted right within the R 143. | 2023-10-10 18:17:46 | |
| Known as is, there is. | 2023-10-10 18:17:49 | |
| Area on the UM. | 2023-10-10 18:17:52 | |
| I bought one. In the subdivision there is a deed. | 2023-10-10 18:17:55 | |
| Extent that prevents subdivision of Lot. | 2023-10-10 18:17:58 | |
| Gone into an additional block, but that's. | 2023-10-10 18:18:01 | |
| Dude is not restricting the build. | 2023-10-10 18:18:04 | |
| Area itself. | 2023-10-10 18:18:06 | |
| And the only thing that is restrict. | 2023-10-10 18:18:07 | |
| In the building area is that it's not identified as a. | 2023-10-10 18:18:10 | |
| Person in the beauty and is not recorded on the plat. | 2023-10-10 18:18:13 | |
| So that is what the request is for today. | 2023-10-10 18:18:16 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 18:18:18 | |
| Uh, a quick discussion on the. | 2023-10-10 18:18:22 | |
| As well. So there is an HOA that exists with. | 2023-10-10 18:18:25 | |
| And this development and they do have this. | 2023-10-10 18:18:28 | |
| Regulations and their CC and R that is. | 2023-10-10 18:18:31 | |
| The property owners personal responsibility to. | 2023-10-10 18:18:34 | |
| Maintained a legal restrictions within that. | 2023-10-10 18:18:37 | |
| Italy, however, does not control. | 2023-10-10 18:18:40 | |
| Permitted land use rights as. | 2023-10-10 18:18:43 | |
| An accessory building would be a land use, right? | 2023-10-10 18:18:46 | |
| Their application was. | 2023-10-10 18:18:49 | |
| Done in 2020 on Lot #4. | 2023-10-10 18:18:52 | |
| Same kind of thing where the beauty and. | 2023-10-10 18:18:55 | |
| That was amended to identify a building. | 2023-10-10 18:18:58 | |
| Area 4 and accessory building on Mod 4 so. | 2023-10-10 18:19:01 | |
| This application is doing the same thing just on my. | 2023-10-10 18:19:04 | |
| And I will have the applicant come up and they. | 2023-10-10 18:19:07 | |
| Explain their proposal, this little one. | 2023-10-10 18:19:10 | |
| Very much appreciate it. | 2023-10-10 18:19:13 | |
| And with that it looks like. | 2023-10-10 18:19:13 | |
| We have Curtis Calder as the applicant. Is that? | 2023-10-10 18:19:16 | |
| Representing today. | 2023-10-10 18:19:19 | |
| Yeah, so I'm curious, called her. My the. | 2023-10-10 18:19:22 | |
| 6235 S 2710 E. | 2023-10-10 18:19:26 | |
| And we are a lot 1. | 2023-10-10 18:19:28 | |
| Um, yeah. | 2023-10-10 18:19:28 | |
| Same thing as. | 2023-10-10 18:19:31 | |
| Terry mentioned we. | 2023-10-10 18:19:31 | |
| Lot 4 would like to have a. | 2023-10-10 18:19:34 | |
| A detached unit as a guesthouse and a. | 2023-10-10 18:19:37 | |
| Roads. And that's the plan. Use, that's. | 2023-10-10 18:19:40 | |
| Very large chunk of our property this is. | 2023-10-10 18:19:43 | |
| Within the plan we were very open and clear with all members of. | 2023-10-10 18:19:47 | |
| The HOA on the note that is in. | 2023-10-10 18:19:49 | |
| Included some of the information is misrepresented. | 2023-10-10 18:19:52 | |
| It is not. And again, it may not matter. | 2023-10-10 18:19:55 | |
| But some of the comments that HOA and allow. | 2023-10-10 18:19:59 | |
| And not allowing it, we got approval from the architectural review. | 2023-10-10 18:20:02 | |
| We followed all the process. | 2023-10-10 18:20:04 | |
| And yeah, any questions? | 2023-10-10 18:20:07 | |
| Just a point of clarification is that. | 2023-10-10 18:20:14 | |
| You are within your leg. | 2023-10-10 18:20:17 | |
| You're seeking to do this within your legal rights? | 2023-10-10 18:20:20 | |
| Which would supersede anything the HOA hasn't. | 2023-10-10 18:20:23 | |
| Wait, but it's also your understanding that. | 2023-10-10 18:20:26 | |
| The the HOA already has approved and allowed. | 2023-10-10 18:20:29 | |
| Based on what was originally submitted or. | 2023-10-10 18:20:32 | |
| It doesn't approve this. It's the architectural review committee. | 2023-10-10 18:20:35 | |
| Like the Architecture Review Committee has approved it. | 2023-10-10 18:20:38 | |
| OK. And so yes, on the legal as you say. | 2023-10-10 18:20:41 | |
| And just clarifying some. | 2023-10-10 18:20:44 | |
| Misrepresentations in the. | 2023-10-10 18:20:47 | |
| The only. | 2023-10-10 18:20:49 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 18:20:56 | |
| Improvement. | 2023-10-10 18:20:58 | |
| So no, really. | 2023-10-10 18:21:02 | |
| That that. | 2023-10-10 18:21:04 | |
| Comments and the two attached. | 2023-10-10 18:21:05 | |
| Emails from members of the HOA If. | 2023-10-10 18:21:08 | |
| That is an issue for you in approving this, I'm just clarifying. | 2023-10-10 18:21:11 | |
| There are some misrepresentations there if need. | 2023-10-10 18:21:14 | |
| We can go through that, but it carried pointed out. | 2023-10-10 18:21:17 | |
| That's not a part of this legal process. | 2023-10-10 18:21:20 | |
| The city is allowing this. The HOA cannot legally. | 2023-10-10 18:21:23 | |
| To prohibit it. | 2023-10-10 18:21:26 | |
| And so I'm. | 2023-10-10 18:21:26 | |
| Of clarifying that. Does that make sense? | 2023-10-10 18:21:28 | |
| Oh. | 2023-10-10 18:21:35 | |
| OK, yeah, then maybe I don't need to. I just figured. | 2023-10-10 18:21:38 | |
| Only have one chance to talk. I'd clarify that. | 2023-10-10 18:21:41 | |
| Sorry, yeah, if I can. | 2023-10-10 18:21:44 | |
| Back if needed, then yeah, you're OK. We're like all this. | 2023-10-10 18:21:47 | |
| What we're doing, Curtis, is we will have a public hearing. | 2023-10-10 18:21:50 | |
| Anyone of the public is invited to come up and. | 2023-10-10 18:21:53 | |
| Speak and then, if you want, will allow. | 2023-10-10 18:21:56 | |
| A minute for you to come back after we close the public hearing. | 2023-10-10 18:21:59 | |
| I shouldn't have mentioned any of that. Sorry, you're OK. | 2023-10-10 18:22:02 | |
| So any other questions for the applicant at this time? | 2023-10-10 18:22:05 | |
| OK. We'll go ahead and have you sit down. Thank you. | 2023-10-10 18:22:08 | |
| All right. | 2023-10-10 18:22:11 | |
| With that, we'll go ahead and open up the public. | 2023-10-10 18:22:14 | |
| Hearing again if you'll just state your name and. | 2023-10-10 18:22:17 | |
| Address for the record and try and be. | 2023-10-10 18:22:20 | |
| The brief into the point with your comments, uh, limiting to roughly. | 2023-10-10 18:22:23 | |
| 3 minutes and with that. | 2023-10-10 18:22:26 | |
| Now is your time, Sir. | 2023-10-10 18:22:28 | |
| Walking late and did not realize that at what stage? | 2023-10-10 18:22:32 | |
| They were within your meeting, so I thought your. | 2023-10-10 18:22:35 | |
| Not ready to vote and I hadn't had a chance to say anything. No problem. | 2023-10-10 18:22:38 | |
| Schafer I'm the I live at 6320. | 2023-10-10 18:22:41 | |
| 5 S 2710 E which is lots. | 2023-10-10 18:22:44 | |
| In the woods HOA PU. | 2023-10-10 18:22:47 | |
| And with elected president of the of the. | 2023-10-10 18:22:50 | |
| Actually a couple of years ago, we're very. | 2023-10-10 18:22:53 | |
| First of all, they were very happy that the Calderon started that. | 2023-10-10 18:22:56 | |
| Their plans for construction? It's been a long time coming. | 2023-10-10 18:22:59 | |
| And we really look forward to having the house on. | 2023-10-10 18:23:02 | |
| Residence on that lot. | 2023-10-10 18:23:05 | |
| But I must say. | 2023-10-10 18:23:05 | |
| That the other three members of the HOA are. | 2023-10-10 18:23:08 | |
| That's the reason the restructuring or the? | 2023-10-10 18:23:11 | |
| Zoning of the of their plot largely due to the. | 2023-10-10 18:23:14 | |
| Fact that the magnitude and location of the. | 2023-10-10 18:23:17 | |
| With large building they're planning to put there would destroy. | 2023-10-10 18:23:20 | |
| Yeah, violence of our of our HOA that. | 2023-10-10 18:23:23 | |
| Large 4200 plus square foot building comes with. | 2023-10-10 18:23:26 | |
| Within 15 feet of the entry to our H. | 2023-10-10 18:23:29 | |
| Faith, and as a result, the first thing anybody's going to see. | 2023-10-10 18:23:32 | |
| Big blank wall as they will drive into the entrance. | 2023-10-10 18:23:35 | |
| HOA. | 2023-10-10 18:23:37 | |
| And our HOA is. | 2023-10-10 18:23:38 | |
| Will essentially from that point on. | 2023-10-10 18:23:41 | |
| They look very different in the eyes of ourselves. | 2023-10-10 18:23:44 | |
| Than everybody else is there. | 2023-10-10 18:23:47 | |
| We've admonished. | 2023-10-10 18:23:47 | |
| Called her numerous times over the past two years. | 2023-10-10 18:23:50 | |
| Not to do this because and to. | 2023-10-10 18:23:53 | |
| Either shrink it or relocate this building so that. | 2023-10-10 18:23:56 | |
| That would be fit better within the ambiance of the HOA. | 2023-10-10 18:23:59 | |
| As well. | 2023-10-10 18:24:01 | |
| I don't know. | 2023-10-10 18:24:05 | |
| Hope that they'll go back to the drawing board and refine. | 2023-10-10 18:24:08 | |
| How to do this? Because having you come. | 2023-10-10 18:24:11 | |
| Into the gate. Within 25 feet, there's the driveway. | 2023-10-10 18:24:14 | |
| 15 feet from that is, is this giant? | 2023-10-10 18:24:17 | |
| Plant building that's going to be a double story garage. | 2023-10-10 18:24:20 | |
| That has a blank wall to it. | 2023-10-10 18:24:23 | |
| It was very telling that their their. | 2023-10-10 18:24:26 | |
| Elevation plans showed no elevation for the West facing. | 2023-10-10 18:24:29 | |
| Portion of their life because they didn't want to show what the. | 2023-10-10 18:24:32 | |
| Piece looked like. | 2023-10-10 18:24:35 | |
| So with that I just. | 2023-10-10 18:24:35 | |
| Say the other three members of the HOA are. | 2023-10-10 18:24:38 | |
| Strongly against this and we prefer to have them go back. | 2023-10-10 18:24:41 | |
| The drawing board, thank you very much. Thank you very much. | 2023-10-10 18:24:44 | |
| Your conversations you might have. | 2023-10-10 18:24:47 | |
| I don't have. | 2023-10-10 18:24:47 | |
| I think we're good. Thank you very much, Robert. Appreciate it. | 2023-10-10 18:24:50 | |
| With that, we'll invite any other members that. | 2023-10-10 18:24:53 | |
| I wish to make comment. | 2023-10-10 18:24:56 | |
| Zach Kodiak, America We. | 2023-10-10 18:25:05 | |
| Actually developed this piece of property. | 2023-10-10 18:25:08 | |
| And like, even if it's just your address real quick or 21. | 2023-10-10 18:25:11 | |
| 5 E. | 2023-10-10 18:25:14 | |
| 3/8. | 2023-10-10 18:25:14 | |
| 385 S Creek. | 2023-10-10 18:25:17 | |
| Never home. | 2023-10-10 18:25:20 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:25:20 | |
| Yeah, we started this back in 2005. We worked with. | 2023-10-10 18:25:23 | |
| Comma and Paul. It's been a long process. | 2023-10-10 18:25:26 | |
| I get 4 lots filled out. | 2023-10-10 18:25:29 | |
| When we started this thing, we ended up having to give 40. | 2023-10-10 18:25:33 | |
| We have the frontage of lot 1 which is. | 2023-10-10 18:25:35 | |
| Increase it from almost A2 acre lot down to the 1.6. | 2023-10-10 18:25:38 | |
| For future dedication of widening of 6. | 2023-10-10 18:25:41 | |
| OK, so we lost all that property up front. | 2023-10-10 18:25:44 | |
| We had the big Tanner ditch in the front that has knee. | 2023-10-10 18:25:47 | |
| Went through there, which is now. | 2023-10-10 18:25:50 | |
| Abandoned, but not really. We have to leave the easement there in case they. | 2023-10-10 18:25:53 | |
| You want to use water again. | 2023-10-10 18:25:56 | |
| So that. | 2023-10-10 18:25:56 | |
| Put the property in half. | 2023-10-10 18:25:59 | |
| We always. | 2023-10-10 18:25:59 | |
| Had to plan for a guesthouse for Lot 1. | 2023-10-10 18:26:02 | |
| Right up front it had all the. | 2023-10-10 18:26:05 | |
| Either stepped in for Lot 1 water, sewer. | 2023-10-10 18:26:08 | |
| Electrical, everything is there. | 2023-10-10 18:26:11 | |
| But when the. | 2023-10-10 18:26:11 | |
| Engineer did the final drafting of this. He did. | 2023-10-10 18:26:14 | |
| The non buildable area on lot 4. | 2023-10-10 18:26:17 | |
| Which we corrected in 2021. | 2023-10-10 18:26:21 | |
| But for some reason on lot. | 2023-10-10 18:26:23 | |
| One it left was left blank. | 2023-10-10 18:26:26 | |
| So it didn't show the guesthouse on the other side. | 2023-10-10 18:26:29 | |
| Say it's not buildable, it just doesn't show anything. | 2023-10-10 18:26:32 | |
| Over there. So that's what they're trying to get approved today. | 2023-10-10 18:26:35 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:26:38 | |
| We have. | 2023-10-10 18:26:41 | |
| All four lots. | 2023-10-10 18:26:41 | |
| Because they are. | 2023-10-10 18:26:44 | |
| One acre lot. | 2023-10-10 18:26:44 | |
| Can have a guesthouse on them or an. | 2023-10-10 18:26:47 | |
| Accessory building. | 2023-10-10 18:26:50 | |
| In the HOA it says you can. | 2023-10-10 18:26:51 | |
| An accessory dwelling, and we've done that. | 2023-10-10 18:26:54 | |
| On one of the lots, which is lot 4. | 2023-10-10 18:26:56 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:26:58 | |
| There's other issues that. | 2023-10-10 18:27:00 | |
| To come before you when we come with the planning side of. | 2023-10-10 18:27:02 | |
| But right now we're just trying to get the properties situated. | 2023-10-10 18:27:06 | |
| So that that conditional use is met with the pub. | 2023-10-10 18:27:09 | |
| We still own the back access. | 2023-10-10 18:27:12 | |
| That comes into this subdivision and once we're 100. | 2023-10-10 18:27:15 | |
| Done with all the building in there, we'll turn that over to the. | 2023-10-10 18:27:18 | |
| Their way, so they'll have two potential access. | 2023-10-10 18:27:21 | |
| So at least an emergency and the main access point. | 2023-10-10 18:27:24 | |
| I can see why they're concerned a little. | 2023-10-10 18:27:27 | |
| With the building up front, but it will be hidden. | 2023-10-10 18:27:30 | |
| Look in the trees. | 2023-10-10 18:27:32 | |
| It. | 2023-10-10 18:27:32 | |
| It has a larger garage, smaller. | 2023-10-10 18:27:36 | |
| Living footprint in it than the one that just got passed. | 2023-10-10 18:27:39 | |
| But like we said earlier. | 2023-10-10 18:27:42 | |
| We've built way bigger guest houses on smaller. | 2023-10-10 18:27:45 | |
| And this one split up so much it's. | 2023-10-10 18:27:48 | |
| Going to look like a separate. | 2023-10-10 18:27:50 | |
| Lot but it. | 2023-10-10 18:27:51 | |
| Cannot and will not be separated. | 2023-10-10 18:27:54 | |
| Has a single lot in there. | 2023-10-10 18:27:56 | |
| About. | 2023-10-10 18:28:00 | |
| Any questions? | 2023-10-10 18:28:02 | |
| Commissioners, any questions? | 2023-10-10 18:28:03 | |
| I think. Thank you. Appreciate your comments. | 2023-10-10 18:28:06 | |
| Right. And I noticed we had a couple other people. | 2023-10-10 18:28:09 | |
| Walked in here. Umm, we are currently in the. | 2023-10-10 18:28:12 | |
| The public hearing for the woods, PUD. | 2023-10-10 18:28:15 | |
| There anyone else in the audience that would like to come forward? | 2023-10-10 18:28:18 | |
| To make comments. | 2023-10-10 18:28:20 | |
| OK, with that we'll. | 2023-10-10 18:28:24 | |
| Of the public hearing and. | 2023-10-10 18:28:27 | |
| If the applicant wants to come up and take. | 2023-10-10 18:28:30 | |
| Less than two minutes of time to address any comments. Or you can. | 2023-10-10 18:28:33 | |
| Like that. If you don't feel it's necessary, it's up to you. | 2023-10-10 18:28:36 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 18:28:42 | |
| We're good. OK, Fantastic. | 2023-10-10 18:28:45 | |
| With that, then Commissioners will turn and come back for. | 2023-10-10 18:28:48 | |
| Discussion Any questions or. | 2023-10-10 18:28:51 | |
| Or discussion points that you can think of amongst each other. | 2023-10-10 18:28:54 | |
| Just, man, that's all we're all we're doing is approved. | 2023-10-10 18:29:00 | |
| Identification. | 2023-10-10 18:29:02 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 18:29:06 | |
| Property. | 2023-10-10 18:29:15 | |
| Yeah. So one of the things that is. | 2023-10-10 18:29:21 | |
| Often comes up in Planning Commission meetings. | 2023-10-10 18:29:24 | |
| Is. | 2023-10-10 18:29:26 | |
| The right to a view, the right. | 2023-10-10 18:29:27 | |
| To the appearance of things on your neighbor's property. | 2023-10-10 18:29:30 | |
| It's not really a right that's recognized in the state of Utah there. | 2023-10-10 18:29:33 | |
| Are places back east in New York for one that you can? | 2023-10-10 18:29:36 | |
| My view sheds and own the airspace above this. | 2023-10-10 18:29:39 | |
| And things like that. But in Utah we haven't recognized. | 2023-10-10 18:29:42 | |
| Right. And so you know. | 2023-10-10 18:29:45 | |
| Regardless of. | 2023-10-10 18:29:48 | |
| The appeal. | 2023-10-10 18:29:48 | |
| Of a building. We're not looking at that anyway. | 2023-10-10 18:29:51 | |
| But what we're looking at is building footprint but. | 2023-10-10 18:29:54 | |
| You know one of the things when you have a building and how it looks. | 2023-10-10 18:29:57 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:29:59 | |
| If you're in. | 2023-10-10 18:30:00 | |
| The major way that has, you know, design restrictions. | 2023-10-10 18:30:03 | |
| The HOA's responsibility to enforce that, but as far? | 2023-10-10 18:30:06 | |
| Of the city enforcing how a building is. | 2023-10-10 18:30:09 | |
| To look or things like that, unless they're. | 2023-10-10 18:30:12 | |
| Specific areas like the village holiday. | 2023-10-10 18:30:15 | |
| Rolling Stone has specific design design. | 2023-10-10 18:30:18 | |
| Standards and things like that, but I'm not aware of any designs. | 2023-10-10 18:30:21 | |
| Standard that applies in this particular situation. | 2023-10-10 18:30:24 | |
| And that would come later in the process anyway, even if there were. | 2023-10-10 18:30:27 | |
| So this is just as as Commissioner Cunningham. | 2023-10-10 18:30:30 | |
| We're just looking at the building envelope. | 2023-10-10 18:30:33 | |
| The buildable area on this particular lot, and that's the only thing. | 2023-10-10 18:30:36 | |
| That's before the Planning Commission. | 2023-10-10 18:30:39 | |
| Perfect. | 2023-10-10 18:30:39 | |
| Good clarification. Thank you, Commissioner. | 2023-10-10 18:30:42 | |
| Do you have any note that makes sense? We just. | 2023-10-10 18:30:45 | |
| Of what we're doing, it sounds like there are concerns about. | 2023-10-10 18:30:48 | |
| It will look like but that's not that's not before the the. | 2023-10-10 18:30:51 | |
| Correct, right. Since you're gone, that would be a. | 2023-10-10 18:30:54 | |
| At the point of a conditional use permit. | 2023-10-10 18:30:57 | |
| Large Here, the first item on our agenda. Guesthouse larger. | 2023-10-10 18:31:00 | |
| The permitted size is a conditional use. | 2023-10-10 18:31:03 | |
| Would be reviewed by Planning Commission. | 2023-10-10 18:31:06 | |
| Perfect. | 2023-10-10 18:31:06 | |
| Alright. | 2023-10-10 18:31:08 | |
| So with that, unless there's. | 2023-10-10 18:31:09 | |
| The other discussions. | 2023-10-10 18:31:12 | |
| I guess this. | 2023-10-10 18:31:12 | |
| Um, a question about. | 2023-10-10 18:31:15 | |
| I don't know what about the the easement or the dips or anything like that. | 2023-10-10 18:31:18 | |
| And building or changing the the building. | 2023-10-10 18:31:21 | |
| And we're going to affect water quality or potential. | 2023-10-10 18:31:24 | |
| Contaminants into something that's draining into something else. | 2023-10-10 18:31:27 | |
| Uh, typically those sorts of things are. | 2023-10-10 18:31:30 | |
| Looked at with the city engineer. | 2023-10-10 18:31:33 | |
| So when they're presenting their building plans. | 2023-10-10 18:31:36 | |
| We do have water management or. | 2023-10-10 18:31:39 | |
| Recent agreements anytime they. | 2023-10-10 18:31:42 | |
| Building is proposed within a certain distance. | 2023-10-10 18:31:45 | |
| Have an irrigation area so that those. | 2023-10-10 18:31:48 | |
| Another reviewed with the irrigation or ditch management company. | 2023-10-10 18:31:51 | |
| And they have to sign off on those. So we do have a. | 2023-10-10 18:31:54 | |
| Process where that is overseen and it's. | 2023-10-10 18:31:57 | |
| Of the process, but it's later in the, I mean right that. | 2023-10-10 18:32:00 | |
| Part of the actual proposal for the building, yes. | 2023-10-10 18:32:03 | |
| But today it's just the total buildable area. | 2023-10-10 18:32:06 | |
| That's on a parcel within the beauty. | 2023-10-10 18:32:09 | |
| Can we do? | 2023-10-10 18:32:12 | |
| Yes, we can. I don't know. Maybe so. | 2023-10-10 18:32:15 | |
| Alright, um, with. | 2023-10-10 18:32:18 | |
| And I would. | 2023-10-10 18:32:21 | |
| Um, that's. | 2023-10-10 18:32:27 | |
| We have to chair. | 2023-10-10 18:32:30 | |
| Like. | 2023-10-10 18:32:30 | |
| I you know, I've got a few minutes. Sure, why not? We'll go ahead and reopen. | 2023-10-10 18:32:33 | |
| In the public hearing and allow Mr. Schaefer and. | 2023-10-10 18:32:36 | |
| Opportunity. We appreciate that very much. | 2023-10-10 18:32:39 | |
| It's not so it's. | 2023-10-10 18:32:42 | |
| Location of the building that's really of concern. | 2023-10-10 18:32:45 | |
| To us because it's so close to the road. | 2023-10-10 18:32:48 | |
| Can talk about what its design looks like and that sort of thing later, but. | 2023-10-10 18:32:52 | |
| Locations. What really bothers everybody else in the HOA. | 2023-10-10 18:32:54 | |
| Because it is. | 2023-10-10 18:32:57 | |
| Obstruction. | 2023-10-10 18:32:57 | |
| As soon as you come into the HOA. | 2023-10-10 18:33:00 | |
| And it's not. | 2023-10-10 18:33:00 | |
| Would be a pretty obstruction. Thank you. | 2023-10-10 18:33:03 | |
| Sure. | 2023-10-10 18:33:06 | |
| This area is not. | 2023-10-10 18:33:10 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 18:33:12 | |
| Is that correct? This is not common area within the. | 2023-10-10 18:33:16 | |
| Do I know? | 2023-10-10 18:33:18 | |
| Thank you. All right. | 2023-10-10 18:33:21 | |
| If that will reclose the public hearing. | 2023-10-10 18:33:25 | |
| And umm. | 2023-10-10 18:33:28 | |
| My thoughts on it is. | 2023-10-10 18:33:31 | |
| It it sounds like from. | 2023-10-10 18:33:34 | |
| Most city staff and from the. | 2023-10-10 18:33:37 | |
| The comment that we had that this was intended to have. | 2023-10-10 18:33:40 | |
| Um, that building footprint put in there, I understand. | 2023-10-10 18:33:43 | |
| And the concerns about aesthetics? | 2023-10-10 18:33:46 | |
| But at the same time when the PU. | 2023-10-10 18:33:49 | |
| Was originally written with the setbacks. | 2023-10-10 18:33:52 | |
| Mind it sounds like, you know, however close or far. | 2023-10-10 18:33:55 | |
| That was from roads, etcetera was already kind of. | 2023-10-10 18:33:58 | |
| Planning consideration with that process and this is. | 2023-10-10 18:34:01 | |
| We're just amending that original agreement to. | 2023-10-10 18:34:04 | |
| Make sure that that footprint is allowed to. | 2023-10-10 18:34:07 | |
| Move forward on. | 2023-10-10 18:34:09 | |
| Is my. | 2023-10-10 18:34:10 | |
| Take on that. So any other thoughts or is someone ready? | 2023-10-10 18:34:13 | |
| Make a motion on this. | 2023-10-10 18:34:15 | |
| This is. | 2023-10-10 18:34:16 | |
| Merville, Tennessee I'm ready to go ahead and make a motion. | 2023-10-10 18:34:19 | |
| To approve. | 2023-10-10 18:34:21 | |
| Demanded. | 2023-10-10 18:34:22 | |
| That's for the Woods subdivision amendment #2. | 2023-10-10 18:34:25 | |
| Residential subdivision in the R140. | 2023-10-10 18:34:28 | |
| Upon finding that the subdivision. | 2023-10-10 18:34:31 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:34:33 | |
| Can. | 2023-10-10 18:34:34 | |
| Funds with the R140. | 2023-10-10 18:34:36 | |
| Zone. | 2023-10-10 18:34:37 | |
| That no new property lot. | 2023-10-10 18:34:40 | |
| Or right away will be created by the amendment. | 2023-10-10 18:34:43 | |
| The area is not considered open space. | 2023-10-10 18:34:46 | |
| In the pub. | 2023-10-10 18:34:48 | |
| And the buildable area for. | 2023-10-10 18:34:49 | |
| Accessory building is located outside of. | 2023-10-10 18:34:52 | |
| Utility and common area easement. | 2023-10-10 18:34:55 | |
| OK, have a motion. | 2023-10-10 18:34:58 | |
| For a second. | 2023-10-10 18:35:00 | |
| All right, we now have the motion and it has been seconded. | 2023-10-10 18:35:04 | |
| And so we will call for a vote and we'll start on this side this. | 2023-10-10 18:35:07 | |
| Simple or excuse me, Commissioner Cunningham? | 2023-10-10 18:35:10 | |
| Mr. Bilski, Commissioner, gone. | 2023-10-10 18:35:13 | |
| Um, bye, chair Roach. | 2023-10-10 18:35:16 | |
| Alright. And so it is unanimous and approved. | 2023-10-10 18:35:19 | |
| With that, I do not see that we. | 2023-10-10 18:35:25 | |
| Any other items on our agenda? | 2023-10-10 18:35:28 | |
| Would. | 2023-10-10 18:35:31 | |
| Go ahead and on behalf of everyone, make a motion to adjourn. | 2023-10-10 18:35:34 | |
| 2nd that motion. | 2023-10-10 18:35:36 |
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| It is October. | 2023-10-10 17:47:20 | |
| Attempt 2. | 2023-10-10 17:47:21 | |
| In 23, we'll get our work meeting start. | 2023-10-10 17:47:24 | |
| Live in attendance is Commissioner Gong, Commissioner Kenny. | 2023-10-10 17:47:27 | |
| Him. | 2023-10-10 17:47:29 | |
| Mr. Wilkinson and myself excuse. | 2023-10-10 17:47:30 | |
| Is Commissioner Banks font and print? | 2023-10-10 17:47:33 | |
| And with that we have two items. | 2023-10-10 17:47:36 | |
| On our agenda tonight, both for public hearing. | 2023-10-10 17:47:39 | |
| The conditional use permits and the other is a. | 2023-10-10 17:47:42 | |
| Thank you, the plat amendment. | 2023-10-10 17:47:45 | |
| So with that, we will. | 2023-10-10 17:47:48 | |
| Ask city staff. | 2023-10-10 17:47:50 | |
| To go ahead and kick us off and let us know what's. | 2023-10-10 17:47:54 | |
| Hey. | 2023-10-10 17:47:57 | |
| I was making sure we've got a recording going here. | 2023-10-10 17:48:00 | |
| Make sure you check that first. | 2023-10-10 17:48:03 | |
| OK, we're all set. | 2023-10-10 17:48:09 | |
| OK, so first item. | 2023-10-10 17:48:12 | |
| Is it will be a public hearing? | 2023-10-10 17:48:15 | |
| Or a conditional use permit for an. | 2023-10-10 17:48:18 | |
| Accessory building footprint size. | 2023-10-10 17:48:21 | |
| Quality code allowed for guest houses on property. | 2023-10-10 17:48:24 | |
| Things that are half an acre or larger that property. | 2023-10-10 17:48:27 | |
| Your question is 1.22 acres. | 2023-10-10 17:48:30 | |
| UH, would then be eligible for. | 2023-10-10 17:48:33 | |
| Permitted guesthouse of 2000 square FT. | 2023-10-10 17:48:36 | |
| Uh, this guest house is. | 2023-10-10 17:48:39 | |
| I think it was just over 3000 square feet. | 2023-10-10 17:48:42 | |
| The footprint does involve the front porch and back patio. | 2023-10-10 17:48:45 | |
| The site plan doesn't call those out in the square footage. | 2023-10-10 17:48:48 | |
| But I did measure those and those are included in the square footage and. | 2023-10-10 17:48:51 | |
| Staff report, so that's where the 3000 square feet is coming from. | 2023-10-10 17:48:54 | |
| To include the covered. | 2023-10-10 17:48:57 | |
| Back porch and the covered front porch. | 2023-10-10 17:49:00 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 17:49:02 | |
| Yeah. | 2023-10-10 17:49:03 | |
| So since that is larger than the permitted. | 2023-10-10 17:49:06 | |
| Size of plus a conditional use and the plan. | 2023-10-10 17:49:09 | |
| Missing town then engaged with the applicant. | 2023-10-10 17:49:12 | |
| Into what conditions can be imposed on that? | 2023-10-10 17:49:15 | |
| Um, allowance of the. | 2023-10-10 17:49:18 | |
| Guesthouse that's larger than the permitted size. | 2023-10-10 17:49:21 | |
| Any questions on that one? | 2023-10-10 17:49:24 | |
| And the the proper the. | 2023-10-10 17:49:27 | |
| Unit that's being proposed there without. | 2023-10-10 17:49:30 | |
| The covered sections included is. | 2023-10-10 17:49:33 | |
| In excess of the 2000 allowed that right? | 2023-10-10 17:49:36 | |
| The interior living space I think is. | 2023-10-10 17:49:39 | |
| Designated as. | 2023-10-10 17:49:41 | |
| 21. | 2023-10-10 17:49:42 | |
| 34 feet and then the garage is 6. | 2023-10-10 17:49:45 | |
| 122 square feet. | 2023-10-10 17:49:47 | |
| And is it standard? | 2023-10-10 17:49:51 | |
| To include the covered porches and patios as part. | 2023-10-10 17:49:54 | |
| Yes, anywhere where there is ground contact. | 2023-10-10 17:49:57 | |
| From a roof structure down. | 2023-10-10 17:50:00 | |
| To the the grounds where you have columns on. | 2023-10-10 17:50:03 | |
| Columns on back, patios. That's all part of. | 2023-10-10 17:50:06 | |
| Structure. | 2023-10-10 17:50:08 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 17:50:09 | |
| Other questions on this one. | 2023-10-10 17:50:14 | |
| And. | 2023-10-10 17:50:15 | |
| All of you got this updated tree removal plan that I. | 2023-10-10 17:50:18 | |
| Certified the trees. That would be something that you can discuss with the applicant. | 2023-10-10 17:50:21 | |
| As well. | 2023-10-10 17:50:23 | |
| Hey. | 2023-10-10 17:50:26 | |
| Any other? | 2023-10-10 17:50:27 | |
| Person Forget to move on to #2. | 2023-10-10 17:50:30 | |
| Looks like it. | 2023-10-10 17:50:30 | |
| OK, uh #2 uh this. | 2023-10-10 17:50:33 | |
| Is revising a PUD for the wood? | 2023-10-10 17:50:36 | |
| I've planned this unit development. | 2023-10-10 17:50:39 | |
| It involves. | 2023-10-10 17:50:41 | |
| Modifying the conditional. | 2023-10-10 17:50:42 | |
| This language to expand the building area. | 2023-10-10 17:50:45 | |
| Identified in the planned unit development. | 2023-10-10 17:50:48 | |
| Which would then be recorded onto the plat. | 2023-10-10 17:50:51 | |
| From. | 2023-10-10 17:50:53 | |
| Planet developments are conditional use. | 2023-10-10 17:50:54 | |
| As we work through those, you know we're typically look. | 2023-10-10 17:50:57 | |
| At building areas and those have to be designed. | 2023-10-10 17:51:00 | |
| Is on a plaque. It's a condition. | 2023-10-10 17:51:03 | |
| And of the use of the plant. | 2023-10-10 17:51:06 | |
| This is to have specific building areas. | 2023-10-10 17:51:09 | |
| Or places that are designated where buildings are allowed. | 2023-10-10 17:51:12 | |
| Um, this plot or or? | 2023-10-10 17:51:15 | |
| Deputy wasn't ever didn't. | 2023-10-10 17:51:18 | |
| Have a larger building area. | 2023-10-10 17:51:21 | |
| Um, outlined on it. So we are. | 2023-10-10 17:51:24 | |
| The proposals to add that? | 2023-10-10 17:51:27 | |
| To the plaque and the beauty. | 2023-10-10 17:51:30 | |
| Could you help us with the role of the? | 2023-10-10 17:51:36 | |
| Anyway in this issue? | 2023-10-10 17:51:39 | |
| I know it's not our purview. | 2023-10-10 17:51:42 | |
| To get involved with design issues and the cottage. | 2023-10-10 17:51:45 | |
| With you and all that but. | 2023-10-10 17:51:48 | |
| To see. | 2023-10-10 17:51:48 | |
| Don't have any standing to object. | 2023-10-10 17:51:51 | |
| To the platinum amendment. | 2023-10-10 17:51:54 | |
| Um, and where can we in on this one? But? | 2023-10-10 17:51:57 | |
| HOA's don't have any. | 2023-10-10 17:52:00 | |
| Say over regulations or standards that are allowed. | 2023-10-10 17:52:03 | |
| Within city code, just like city code can't override state. | 2023-10-10 17:52:06 | |
| HOA's can't override city code. | 2023-10-10 17:52:09 | |
| So accessory buildings are the allowed land. | 2023-10-10 17:52:12 | |
| This the lot area is. | 2023-10-10 17:52:15 | |
| Large enough to allow an accessory building. | 2023-10-10 17:52:18 | |
| The projects have to be amended to identify. | 2023-10-10 17:52:21 | |
| Like that? Space it within the community. | 2023-10-10 17:52:24 | |
| Nothing really to add in part. Well the. | 2023-10-10 17:52:30 | |
| Take away the. | 2023-10-10 17:52:32 | |
| As long as it's not. | 2023-10-10 17:52:33 | |
| Violating any of the CC and R mean they have their. | 2023-10-10 17:52:36 | |
| You know covenants that run with the land there and. | 2023-10-10 17:52:39 | |
| And like that's violating those. | 2023-10-10 17:52:42 | |
| But we don't verify that if this. | 2023-10-10 17:52:45 | |
| We don't go through and look at that. Does this violate the? | 2023-10-10 17:52:48 | |
| CC and ours. On this particular property we have the. | 2023-10-10 17:52:51 | |
| Have a contract matter so if somebody the HOA. | 2023-10-10 17:52:54 | |
| Or somebody within the HOA member of the HOA would have to. | 2023-10-10 17:52:57 | |
| Enforce that. | 2023-10-10 17:53:00 | |
| And we wouldn't also put any buildable area within. | 2023-10-10 17:53:06 | |
| Our public utility easements, and that's pretty standard. | 2023-10-10 17:53:09 | |
| Any luck? | 2023-10-10 17:53:12 | |
| You can't build struct. | 2023-10-10 17:53:12 | |
| Utility easement. | 2023-10-10 17:53:15 | |
| This is for a. | 2023-10-10 17:53:18 | |
| New structure, this isn't. | 2023-10-10 17:53:21 | |
| Like an 80 U accessory or anything. This is like for an. | 2023-10-10 17:53:24 | |
| Individual new structure, new lot, right? | 2023-10-10 17:53:27 | |
| Right, so since. | 2023-10-10 17:53:30 | |
| PUD doesn't have this. | 2023-10-10 17:53:33 | |
| Set. | 2023-10-10 17:53:33 | |
| The area identified explicitly as. | 2023-10-10 17:53:36 | |
| Rebuildable area so you have building envelope. | 2023-10-10 17:53:39 | |
| It was Um. | 2023-10-10 17:53:42 | |
| On the. | 2023-10-10 17:53:42 | |
| Personal PUD and plat. It was outlined in this. | 2023-10-10 17:53:45 | |
| Rent part. | 2023-10-10 17:53:48 | |
| So we need to amend it to create a building. | 2023-10-10 17:53:51 | |
| Area on this second part on the other side of. | 2023-10-10 17:53:54 | |
| This. | 2023-10-10 17:53:56 | |
| Movement, which is where it ditches. | 2023-10-10 17:53:57 | |
| So they can't build within the easement where the ditch. | 2023-10-10 17:54:00 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 17:54:03 | |
| Adding this to. | 2023-10-10 17:54:04 | |
| Building area, there wasn't any requirement. | 2023-10-10 17:54:07 | |
| In the community for open space that, that. | 2023-10-10 17:54:10 | |
| Area is meeting. | 2023-10-10 17:54:12 | |
| So there is. | 2023-10-10 17:54:13 | |
| Any issues with? | 2023-10-10 17:54:15 | |
| Identifying additional building area. | 2023-10-10 17:54:19 | |
| In one of the. | 2023-10-10 17:54:22 | |
| I think this is the owner's letter, they said. | 2023-10-10 17:54:25 | |
| Through. | 2023-10-10 17:54:27 | |
| They're building the accessory unit and. | 2023-10-10 17:54:28 | |
| They're going to keep their current home. | 2023-10-10 17:54:30 | |
| The more spiritual structure. So does that mean that? | 2023-10-10 17:54:34 | |
| They're going to be eventually two houses there or they're. | 2023-10-10 17:54:37 | |
| Been completely. | 2023-10-10 17:54:39 | |
| So it'll be like an. | 2023-10-10 17:54:40 | |
| Accessory Dwelling unit if because. | 2023-10-10 17:54:43 | |
| They'll be creating a dwelling unit in that access. | 2023-10-10 17:54:46 | |
| The structure that they will then live in and then. | 2023-10-10 17:54:49 | |
| Building a new house so that but it won't be. | 2023-10-10 17:54:52 | |
| Two separate houses that are. | 2023-10-10 17:54:55 | |
| Single family dwelling houses. It's an. | 2023-10-10 17:54:58 | |
| Accessories to the main unit. Got it. So they're. | 2023-10-10 17:55:01 | |
| Living with you for however long takes to be able to. | 2023-10-10 17:55:04 | |
| But then it will still be, maybe you will. Yeah. Yeah. And that. | 2023-10-10 17:55:07 | |
| Is a pretty common thing that we have with building permit. | 2023-10-10 17:55:10 | |
| A lot of applicants will first construct. | 2023-10-10 17:55:13 | |
| Accessory units and live in that. | 2023-10-10 17:55:16 | |
| Probably. | 2023-10-10 17:55:18 | |
| Tear down, rebuild that. | 2023-10-10 17:55:19 | |
| And can you say again what you said? | 2023-10-10 17:55:22 | |
| OK, the easement for. | 2023-10-10 17:55:25 | |
| Like a little stream bed right there, Yes. | 2023-10-10 17:55:28 | |
| So this area that's right down the middle of. | 2023-10-10 17:55:31 | |
| But one for lot 1 is this whole. | 2023-10-10 17:55:34 | |
| Area from I Let's see 6. | 2023-10-10 17:55:37 | |
| 200 S and then I think it goes. | 2023-10-10 17:55:40 | |
| So the property line is here. | 2023-10-10 17:55:43 | |
| Sorry the confused go out sometimes. | 2023-10-10 17:55:46 | |
| Uh. | 2023-10-10 17:55:48 | |
| Their whole lives are for. | 2023-10-10 17:55:49 | |
| Has this ditch across the middle of. | 2023-10-10 17:55:52 | |
| That bisects it, but it's not. | 2023-10-10 17:55:55 | |
| A boundary of any sort. It's just an easement. | 2023-10-10 17:55:58 | |
| They can't build within that easement. | 2023-10-10 17:56:01 | |
| Because it's an irrigation ditch. OK, so the. | 2023-10-10 17:56:04 | |
| You is going to be over there. It's not racing with us, Yeah, but. | 2023-10-10 17:56:07 | |
| Going to be in the second. | 2023-10-10 17:56:09 | |
| Area over here. | 2023-10-10 17:56:10 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 17:56:12 | |
| And then of course would have to. | 2023-10-10 17:56:13 | |
| The all standards with setbacks. | 2023-10-10 17:56:16 | |
| And um, heights restrictions that are. | 2023-10-10 17:56:19 | |
| For accessory buildings. | 2023-10-10 17:56:22 | |
| And same thing, they should come back if they wanted to. | 2023-10-10 17:56:25 | |
| We have a building that's larger than is permitted. | 2023-10-10 17:56:28 | |
| As larger footprints are a conditional use, so they would. | 2023-10-10 17:56:31 | |
| To come back for a conditional, use for anything larger than. | 2023-10-10 17:56:34 | |
| Permitted. | 2023-10-10 17:56:36 | |
| And at this time. | 2023-10-10 17:56:37 | |
| And they're just essentially looking for an amendment to the existing fee. | 2023-10-10 17:56:40 | |
| And so they can build their. | 2023-10-10 17:56:42 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 17:56:43 | |
| Guest house that will be their residence where they. | 2023-10-10 17:56:46 | |
| Have a new one, right? | 2023-10-10 17:56:49 | |
| As a practical. | 2023-10-10 17:56:52 | |
| Maybe. | 2023-10-10 17:56:55 | |
| Right, Yes. So currently there is. | 2023-10-10 17:57:01 | |
| There's two shipping containers. | 2023-10-10 17:57:04 | |
| With a restructure override that is housing construct. | 2023-10-10 17:57:07 | |
| Materials and equipment. Those are temporary. | 2023-10-10 17:57:10 | |
| Produces incidental to the construction. | 2023-10-10 17:57:13 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 17:57:15 | |
| Kind of the staging that. | 2023-10-10 17:57:16 | |
| It's tied to this application, so. | 2023-10-10 17:57:22 | |
| Kind of this multi stage process that. | 2023-10-10 17:57:25 | |
| Because they've submitted this application as the. | 2023-10-10 17:57:28 | |
| Director has okayed a temporary struct. | 2023-10-10 17:57:31 | |
| And it's not a permanent structure. That's fine. | 2023-10-10 17:57:34 | |
| Foundation it is. | 2023-10-10 17:57:37 | |
| Buildings or trailers that are parked on the. | 2023-10-10 17:57:40 | |
| On the lamp. | 2023-10-10 17:57:42 | |
| Which we are not living in. | 2023-10-10 17:57:43 | |
| Right, OK. No, not living in those. | 2023-10-10 17:57:46 | |
| Not that I imagine anyone would. | 2023-10-10 17:57:49 | |
| OK. Any uh, any additional question? | 2023-10-10 17:57:52 | |
| Things on either of these. | 2023-10-10 17:57:55 | |
| And is it? | 2023-10-10 17:57:55 | |
| The lot seems. | 2023-10-10 17:57:58 | |
| Does that automatically approve future? | 2023-10-10 17:58:01 | |
| Because of EU is a. | 2023-10-10 17:58:04 | |
| No. So. So you're what you. | 2023-10-10 17:58:07 | |
| Or changing is the conditions of. | 2023-10-10 17:58:10 | |
| Of the planned unit development and the conditions being. | 2023-10-10 17:58:13 | |
| I think the buildable area that's identified on the. | 2023-10-10 17:58:16 | |
| So you're just creating if you. | 2023-10-10 17:58:19 | |
| To approve it, you're creating a buildable. | 2023-10-10 17:58:22 | |
| Area or a building envelope where an act. | 2023-10-10 17:58:25 | |
| Three structure could in the future be built. | 2023-10-10 17:58:28 | |
| You know. | 2023-10-10 17:58:34 | |
| OK, perfect. Thank you very much. | 2023-10-10 17:58:37 | |
| For that, yeah. One, one thing, just a remind. | 2023-10-10 17:58:40 | |
| Because there's only four members of the planning comma. | 2023-10-10 17:58:43 | |
| In order to have a successful vote, it has to be unami. | 2023-10-10 17:58:47 | |
| Otherwise you don't have. | 2023-10-10 17:58:49 | |
| You don't have a passing boat. | 2023-10-10 17:58:52 | |
| You got to have a majority of not a majority of those present you. | 2023-10-10 17:58:55 | |
| The majority of the Planning Commission, so that would you do? | 2023-10-10 17:58:58 | |
| Like that but. | 2023-10-10 17:59:00 | |
| Have to have 4-4, yeah. | 2023-10-10 17:59:01 | |
| Yep, for in order to pass in additions. Yep. | 2023-10-10 17:59:04 | |
| Anything to pass, it has to have. It has to be unanimous tonight because there's only. | 2023-10-10 17:59:07 | |
| Thank you for. | 2023-10-10 17:59:10 | |
| Reminder, Brian, appreciate. | 2023-10-10 17:59:10 | |
| Alright, with that, we'll go ahead and. | 2023-10-10 17:59:13 | |
| Close the work meeting. | 2023-10-10 17:59:16 | |
| I'm a person of the HOA. | 2023-10-10 17:59:19 | |
| OK, We're going to have a public hearing on that. | 2023-10-10 17:59:25 | |
| We get to that item on there, so we'll definitely. | 2023-10-10 17:59:28 | |
| Invite you up to to make comments, so appreciate it. Thanks. | 2023-10-10 17:59:31 | |
| Alright, and with that. | 2023-10-10 17:59:34 | |
| We need a break before we move right into the official. | 2023-10-10 17:59:38 | |
| Everybody good? All right, Fantastic. | 2023-10-10 17:59:40 | |
| So with that, we'll go ahead and get started. | 2023-10-10 17:59:44 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 17:59:46 | |
| This is Chair Rd. | 2023-10-10 17:59:46 | |
| And we have in attendance comma. | 2023-10-10 17:59:50 | |
| They're gone. Commissioner Gunningham and Commissioner Bilinski. | 2023-10-10 17:59:52 | |
| Excuse the night as Commissioner Banks fall. | 2023-10-10 17:59:55 | |
| And print. | 2023-10-10 17:59:58 | |
| And as council. | 2023-10-10 17:59:58 | |
| And any motions to pass. | 2023-10-10 18:00:01 | |
| Would have unanimous of the four present. | 2023-10-10 18:00:05 | |
| Um, we have two different. | 2023-10-10 18:00:07 | |
| I. | 2023-10-10 18:00:07 | |
| On our agenda tonight for. | 2023-10-10 18:00:11 | |
| Public hearing. | 2023-10-10 18:00:13 | |
| And we will. | 2023-10-10 18:00:14 | |
| Remember to come up with that time when those are ready to go and we. | 2023-10-10 18:00:16 | |
| You have a statement that we read at the beginning of all meetings. | 2023-10-10 18:00:19 | |
| Then I have asked Commissioner, gone to go ahead and read. | 2023-10-10 18:00:22 | |
| That for us? | 2023-10-10 18:00:25 | |
| OK, the three. | 2023-10-10 18:00:25 | |
| Party Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board. | 2023-10-10 18:00:28 | |
| Whose function is to review land use plans and other special. | 2023-10-10 18:00:32 | |
| Make recommendations to the City Council and proposed. | 2023-10-10 18:00:35 | |
| Bring up an ordinance changes and approved conditional uses. | 2023-10-10 18:00:38 | |
| Subdivision. | 2023-10-10 18:00:40 | |
| The Planning Commission does not. | 2023-10-10 18:00:40 | |
| Land use applications rather acts on applications. | 2023-10-10 18:00:44 | |
| Once they are submitted, commissioners do not meet with Apple. | 2023-10-10 18:00:47 | |
| With applicants except as publicly. | 2023-10-10 18:00:50 | |
| Publicly noticed meetings. | 2023-10-10 18:00:52 | |
| Commissioners attempt to visit. | 2023-10-10 18:00:53 | |
| Every property on the agenda with location, the nature of the neighborhood. | 2023-10-10 18:00:56 | |
| Existing structures and uses related to the proposed change. | 2023-10-10 18:00:59 | |
| Student. | 2023-10-10 18:01:00 | |
| Decisions are based on observations. | 2023-10-10 18:01:02 | |
| Recommendations from the professional planning staff. | 2023-10-10 18:01:05 | |
| These general plan zoning ordinance and other reports by. | 2023-10-10 18:01:08 | |
| All verbal and written comments and by evidence. | 2023-10-10 18:01:11 | |
| That all of which are part of the public record. | 2023-10-10 18:01:13 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 18:01:14 | |
| Thank you very much, Commissioner Gong, and with that. | 2023-10-10 18:01:17 | |
| We will get started and just as we kind of. | 2023-10-10 18:01:20 | |
| Onto each item before we get into the public hearing. | 2023-10-10 18:01:23 | |
| Uh, we'll have a staff reports we'll invite. | 2023-10-10 18:01:26 | |
| The applicant come up and add any additional information. | 2023-10-10 18:01:29 | |
| Needs to be presented and UH, Commissioner. | 2023-10-10 18:01:32 | |
| To be able to ask the applicant any questions, we'll then open the public. | 2023-10-10 18:01:35 | |
| I'm hearing I do see we have it looks like a couple visitors with. | 2023-10-10 18:01:38 | |
| Tonight, that might not be directly associated with the. | 2023-10-10 18:01:41 | |
| Accounts and if that is the case, when you do come up. | 2023-10-10 18:01:44 | |
| Please state your name and address for the record and try and keep. | 2023-10-10 18:01:47 | |
| Your comments as brief to the point of post. | 2023-10-10 18:01:50 | |
| And if you're. | 2023-10-10 18:01:52 | |
| Also following someone. | 2023-10-10 18:01:53 | |
| Have made comments on some things last time not to restate. | 2023-10-10 18:01:56 | |
| The same things and over reiterate the same point. | 2023-10-10 18:01:59 | |
| And so with that, the first item that we. | 2023-10-10 18:02:02 | |
| In our agenda tonight is the conditional use permit for an. | 2023-10-10 18:02:05 | |
| Three, building footprint size located at. | 2023-10-10 18:02:08 | |
| 5176 Cottonwood Lane. | 2023-10-10 18:02:11 | |
| If we can ask our staff. | 2023-10-10 18:02:14 | |
| This is Marsha. Come up and let us know what's going on. | 2023-10-10 18:02:17 | |
| Thank you, Mr. Rose. | 2023-10-10 18:02:32 | |
| This application is for conditional use. | 2023-10-10 18:02:35 | |
| For a guest house located. | 2023-10-10 18:02:38 | |
| At UM 5170. | 2023-10-10 18:02:41 | |
| South Cottonwood Lane, and it's on a one point. | 2023-10-10 18:02:44 | |
| 22 acre property being over one acre. | 2023-10-10 18:02:47 | |
| As. | 2023-10-10 18:02:49 | |
| Permitted guest house. | 2023-10-10 18:02:50 | |
| That was 2000 square feet. Uh, they're proposing. | 2023-10-10 18:02:53 | |
| Roughly 3016 ^2. | 2023-10-10 18:02:56 | |
| A square feet that includes the living space figure. | 2023-10-10 18:02:59 | |
| Guys covered porches and patios. | 2023-10-10 18:03:02 | |
| The. | 2023-10-10 18:03:05 | |
| Can. | 2023-10-10 18:03:05 | |
| Then uh. | 2023-10-10 18:03:07 | |
| Can be based off of the size of the property and the planning. | 2023-10-10 18:03:11 | |
| I think I'm at the site plan. | 2023-10-10 18:03:14 | |
| Those trees being removed engineer. | 2023-10-10 18:03:17 | |
| That has looked at the site and found that it's. | 2023-10-10 18:03:20 | |
| You know the location of the driveway is approx. | 2023-10-10 18:03:23 | |
| That setbacks are appropriate. | 2023-10-10 18:03:26 | |
| Or accessory building. | 2023-10-10 18:03:29 | |
| There are, I think, those minimum setbacks for an accessory. | 2023-10-10 18:03:32 | |
| In our 13 feet and proposed is. | 2023-10-10 18:03:35 | |
| 15 feet. | 2023-10-10 18:03:37 | |
| Um, and. | 2023-10-10 18:03:38 | |
| And. | 2023-10-10 18:03:40 | |
| I will have the apple. | 2023-10-10 18:03:41 | |
| And come up and they can talk about their project a little bit. | 2023-10-10 18:03:44 | |
| OK. Thank you very much. And with. | 2023-10-10 18:03:47 | |
| And that will go ahead and ask if the applicant. | 2023-10-10 18:03:50 | |
| Here it looks like Mike Steinhauer is the. | 2023-10-10 18:03:53 | |
| Representing property owner. | 2023-10-10 18:03:56 | |
| If you'll state your name and address and let us. | 2023-10-10 18:03:59 | |
| What's going on with it? | 2023-10-10 18:04:01 | |
| Mike Spainhower. | 2023-10-10 18:04:02 | |
| UH-2682 W. | 2023-10-10 18:04:05 | |
| 9435 S South Jordan. | 2023-10-10 18:04:08 | |
| Representing the applicant or the. | 2023-10-10 18:04:11 | |
| Property owner. | 2023-10-10 18:04:13 | |
| So. | 2023-10-10 18:04:14 | |
| This unit that is livable space is 20. | 2023-10-10 18:04:17 | |
| 100 square feet, but then we back with the garage. | 2023-10-10 18:04:20 | |
| Charging and the porch and the back patio. | 2023-10-10 18:04:23 | |
| It increased it, just nearly. | 2023-10-10 18:04:26 | |
| 3000 square feet so. | 2023-10-10 18:04:29 | |
| Needed to go. | 2023-10-10 18:04:29 | |
| Through this conditional use for this approval. | 2023-10-10 18:04:32 | |
| I just if you have any other questions? | 2023-10-10 18:04:35 | |
| I'm happy to help answer. | 2023-10-10 18:04:38 | |
| May OK. | 2023-10-10 18:04:41 | |
| But it's just. | 2023-10-10 18:04:44 | |
| Because of the. | 2023-10-10 18:04:47 | |
| Reconfirmed. | 2023-10-10 18:04:59 | |
| I. | 2023-10-10 18:05:02 | |
| I think so. Maybe Carrie can speak to that a little bit better. | 2023-10-10 18:05:05 | |
| Um, they usually have a marked B. | 2023-10-10 18:05:08 | |
| Uh, addressed. But come. | 2023-10-10 18:05:11 | |
| From a different street, I think it just. | 2023-10-10 18:05:14 | |
| Remains the primary address. | 2023-10-10 18:05:17 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 18:05:17 | |
| And anytime we have an accessory unit, it. | 2023-10-10 18:05:20 | |
| Is addressed with the same as the main. | 2023-10-10 18:05:23 | |
| With living in it, with the addition of unity. | 2023-10-10 18:05:26 | |
| Commissioner Roach did want to ask. | 2023-10-10 18:05:32 | |
| About the trees and the. | 2023-10-10 18:05:35 | |
| The Canopy Sustainability I. | 2023-10-10 18:05:38 | |
| Just in a site visit earlier, it looks like the. | 2023-10-10 18:05:41 | |
| Main free being proposed. | 2023-10-10 18:05:44 | |
| The removal along that driveway, is they very large? | 2023-10-10 18:05:47 | |
| Cottonwood tree. | 2023-10-10 18:05:50 | |
| That appears to to you know. | 2023-10-10 18:05:53 | |
| Still being in good health, I was just curious if there's a. | 2023-10-10 18:05:56 | |
| Then why? You know being? | 2023-10-10 18:05:59 | |
| In a tree City, USA, we obviously want to protect. | 2023-10-10 18:06:02 | |
| Are large stately trees as much as possible? | 2023-10-10 18:06:05 | |
| Why it wasn't being looked at, perhaps being moved over to the. | 2023-10-10 18:06:08 | |
| Northeast corner where it looks like there's already an excess. | 2023-10-10 18:06:11 | |
| Stable gate entry onto the property right there. | 2023-10-10 18:06:15 | |
| Running along the same Rd. | 2023-10-10 18:06:17 | |
| Yeah, and. | 2023-10-10 18:06:17 | |
| That discussions come up the. | 2023-10-10 18:06:20 | |
| Primary reason for the location of the 80. | 2023-10-10 18:06:23 | |
| Who is? | 2023-10-10 18:06:25 | |
| So the view. | 2023-10-10 18:06:26 | |
| From their primary residence. | 2023-10-10 18:06:29 | |
| Still captures the mountains. | 2023-10-10 18:06:33 | |
| So you have this nice home here. | 2023-10-10 18:06:35 | |
| On this nice property. | 2023-10-10 18:06:39 | |
| With mountain views and so. | 2023-10-10 18:06:42 | |
| The idea is to maintain that. | 2023-10-10 18:06:45 | |
| Great view to Mount Olympus. | 2023-10-10 18:06:47 | |
| Through this. | 2023-10-10 18:06:48 | |
| The corridor to the north of the building. | 2023-10-10 18:06:51 | |
| And so the. | 2023-10-10 18:06:53 | |
| The. | 2023-10-10 18:06:53 | |
| Structure is pushed South. | 2023-10-10 18:06:57 | |
| So that. | 2023-10-10 18:06:59 | |
| And that view corridor will be maintained. | 2023-10-10 18:07:03 | |
| And then it's kind of it's kind of away. | 2023-10-10 18:07:06 | |
| Most of the traffic as well you have traffic at. | 2023-10-10 18:07:09 | |
| Corner and. So this hides the. | 2023-10-10 18:07:12 | |
| Made you more in that corner with the with. | 2023-10-10 18:07:15 | |
| The trees are lines along that property. | 2023-10-10 18:07:18 | |
| Line on both sides. | 2023-10-10 18:07:20 | |
| So it kind of. | 2023-10-10 18:07:21 | |
| Snuggled into the. | 2023-10-10 18:07:24 | |
| Existing trees that are there. | 2023-10-10 18:07:26 | |
| OK. And is there? | 2023-10-10 18:07:30 | |
| A plan. I didn't see it in what was submitted and. | 2023-10-10 18:07:33 | |
| If I overlooked it, but is there a plan and and replacing that? | 2023-10-10 18:07:36 | |
| Lost canopy from those large trees that will be taken. | 2023-10-10 18:07:39 | |
| Place there, Yeah, so there's new. | 2023-10-10 18:07:42 | |
| Be labeled there. I think you know her. | 2023-10-10 18:07:45 | |
| Your mouse is hovering over those areas right there. | 2023-10-10 18:07:48 | |
| So basically right now we. | 2023-10-10 18:07:51 | |
| Think 5 trees will need to be removed and that's really basic. | 2023-10-10 18:07:54 | |
| Really. Because of the driveway and. | 2023-10-10 18:07:57 | |
| In the garage area and so 5 trees. | 2023-10-10 18:08:00 | |
| There. | 2023-10-10 18:08:02 | |
| Proposed to be on that. | 2023-10-10 18:08:03 | |
| North side to the further secluded. | 2023-10-10 18:08:06 | |
| And not have it be a nuisance for passerby. | 2023-10-10 18:08:09 | |
| And with those new trees, they'll be. | 2023-10-10 18:08:12 | |
| Maturing the canopy at maturity income. | 2023-10-10 18:08:15 | |
| And then note, yeah, obviously out immediately. | 2023-10-10 18:08:18 | |
| Yeah, as nice as it would be to require you to pay 1000. | 2023-10-10 18:08:21 | |
| Dollars to relocate a large Cottonwood. I don't think that's viable. | 2023-10-10 18:08:24 | |
| For sure. | 2023-10-10 18:08:26 | |
| All right. | 2023-10-10 18:08:27 | |
| Commissioners, any other? | 2023-10-10 18:08:30 | |
| Questions for the applicant at this time. | 2023-10-10 18:08:32 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 18:08:33 | |
| We'll go ahead and invite you to sit down. OK then we will. | 2023-10-10 18:08:36 | |
| Moved to open the public hearing on this and. | 2023-10-10 18:08:39 | |
| Again, this is for the property at 5176 cotton. | 2023-10-10 18:08:42 | |
| Wayne if there is any members of the public here that would like. | 2023-10-10 18:08:45 | |
| To make comments on this, you're welcome to come. | 2023-10-10 18:08:48 | |
| At this time, just please state your name and address for the. | 2023-10-10 18:08:51 | |
| Does not look like anybody. | 2023-10-10 18:08:57 | |
| Is here for comment on this. | 2023-10-10 18:09:00 | |
| With that, we'll go ahead and. | 2023-10-10 18:09:02 | |
| Close the public key. | 2023-10-10 18:09:03 | |
| 3. | 2023-10-10 18:09:05 | |
| And with the. | 2023-10-10 18:09:06 | |
| Commissioners will go ahead and discuss. | 2023-10-10 18:09:09 | |
| The application so. | 2023-10-10 18:09:12 | |
| Mr. Coming home? Any thoughts? | 2023-10-10 18:09:15 | |
| Go back. | 2023-10-10 18:09:17 | |
| You're right. | 2023-10-10 18:09:30 | |
| OK. | 2023-10-10 18:09:59 | |
| Mr. Wilkins. | 2023-10-10 18:10:00 | |
| And going over. | 2023-10-10 18:10:03 | |
| For the. | 2023-10-10 18:10:05 | |
| Report. | 2023-10-10 18:10:06 | |
| During what? | 2023-10-10 18:10:06 | |
| Have been said. I don't think there's anything that would prevent us. | 2023-10-10 18:10:09 | |
| People. | 2023-10-10 18:10:12 | |
| If you don't. | 2023-10-10 18:10:15 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 18:10:18 | |
| I guess my. | 2023-10-10 18:10:21 | |
| Kind of, and this may sound silly, but. | 2023-10-10 18:10:24 | |
| Why is it so big? So the limit is 2000. | 2023-10-10 18:10:27 | |
| See, this is a little bit more than 3000 feet. Is there a reason that could? | 2023-10-10 18:10:30 | |
| In 2003 it is, and it's probably just, you know. | 2023-10-10 18:10:33 | |
| They want it to be nice. They want it to be big. | 2023-10-10 18:10:36 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:10:36 | |
| So it doesn't seem in itself. | 2023-10-10 18:10:39 | |
| Question. | 2023-10-10 18:10:41 | |
| A problem, but my question is just. | 2023-10-10 18:10:42 | |
| If the rules 2000. | 2023-10-10 18:10:45 | |
| There are compelling reason why it is. | 2023-10-10 18:10:48 | |
| It should be allowed to be so much bigger. | 2023-10-10 18:10:51 | |
| And that's a great question, which I believe I had. | 2023-10-10 18:10:54 | |
| Little bit of discussion with city staff earlier on and. | 2023-10-10 18:10:57 | |
| You know, Carrie, maybe if you want to reiterate that point. | 2023-10-10 18:11:00 | |
| When I kind of posed that earlier. | 2023-10-10 18:11:03 | |
| Right. | 2023-10-10 18:11:03 | |
| So that is what conditions being placed on. | 2023-10-10 18:11:06 | |
| On on a use would be so in this particular. | 2023-10-10 18:11:09 | |
| For use as a guest house you can place. | 2023-10-10 18:11:12 | |
| Distance on it where maybe increasing. | 2023-10-10 18:11:15 | |
| Back beyond what the minimum are is. | 2023-10-10 18:11:18 | |
| The intent is to reduce the impact on the. | 2023-10-10 18:11:21 | |
| Spring properties. | 2023-10-10 18:11:24 | |
| For the. | 2023-10-10 18:11:24 | |
| Their proposal? They've already increased the setbacks beyond. | 2023-10-10 18:11:27 | |
| What would be required so you can take? | 2023-10-10 18:11:30 | |
| Into account you can see if there's any other. | 2023-10-10 18:11:33 | |
| Other conditions that might be reasonable and discuss those with the apple. | 2023-10-10 18:11:36 | |
| With or with the applicant. | 2023-10-10 18:11:39 | |
| Historically, where we have where it is at. | 2023-10-10 18:11:42 | |
| No, Yes, we have. | 2023-10-10 18:11:45 | |
| Or issued conditional use permit. | 2023-10-10 18:11:48 | |
| For accessory buildings that are much. | 2023-10-10 18:11:51 | |
| Larger too. | 2023-10-10 18:11:53 | |
| And some of my understand. | 2023-10-10 18:11:57 | |
| Thing also was that the the process? | 2023-10-10 18:12:00 | |
| Is in place this way so that it comes. | 2023-10-10 18:12:03 | |
| Before the body for. | 2023-10-10 18:12:06 | |
| Neighbors and those that might have concerns about. | 2023-10-10 18:12:09 | |
| Having a new. | 2023-10-10 18:12:12 | |
| 2. | 2023-10-10 18:12:12 | |
| 3000 foot structure right up against their. | 2023-10-10 18:12:15 | |
| Property line. They could come and vent those out if there. | 2023-10-10 18:12:18 | |
| The concern about it rather than everything just getting. | 2023-10-10 18:12:21 | |
| Approved. And then all of a sudden there's a house sitting in their back. | 2023-10-10 18:12:24 | |
| That. | 2023-10-10 18:12:30 | |
| So. | 2023-10-10 18:12:30 | |
| That's that's kind of why there's the allowance of the code. | 2023-10-10 18:12:33 | |
| That was my first question. Why don't they just stick with the 2000 that's? | 2023-10-10 18:12:36 | |
| Code but it was to allow that that venting. | 2023-10-10 18:12:39 | |
| Process and public hearing to. | 2023-10-10 18:12:42 | |
| Neighbors and opportunity, if there are concerns. | 2023-10-10 18:12:45 | |
| About making an exception to that standardized. | 2023-10-10 18:12:48 | |
| Without having to go to, you know, the city, Coun. | 2023-10-10 18:12:52 | |
| You know have a multitude of. | 2023-10-10 18:12:55 | |
| These meetings to explain why. | 2023-10-10 18:12:57 | |
| Um, I think for myself, the. | 2023-10-10 18:13:01 | |
| I I am hesitant. | 2023-10-10 18:13:04 | |
| Because of the large Cottonwood, there's not a lot of large cottonwoods. | 2023-10-10 18:13:07 | |
| Left, but I also look at the long. | 2023-10-10 18:13:10 | |
| Term. I appreciate what they're trying to do and keep them out. | 2023-10-10 18:13:13 | |
| Reviews like I appreciate the aesthetics factor. | 2023-10-10 18:13:16 | |
| I still don't know for myself why it can't be. | 2023-10-10 18:13:19 | |
| Say. | 2023-10-10 18:13:21 | |
| 10 feet to the West. | 2023-10-10 18:13:22 | |
| And face the North and have a driveway that just shoots out. | 2023-10-10 18:13:25 | |
| From the existing gate that's already got. | 2023-10-10 18:13:28 | |
| An egress to the road there. | 2023-10-10 18:13:31 | |
| But at the same time, I recognize that you know. | 2023-10-10 18:13:34 | |
| We do have a lifespan and when you do a lot of construction. | 2023-10-10 18:13:37 | |
| Down tree, the long term viability. | 2023-10-10 18:13:40 | |
| Study of some of those larger stately trees. | 2023-10-10 18:13:43 | |
| May not be. | 2023-10-10 18:13:45 | |
| Um. | 2023-10-10 18:13:46 | |
| Absolutely viable in 10 to 15 years. | 2023-10-10 18:13:49 | |
| And so would it really be worth? | 2023-10-10 18:13:51 | |
| Requiring and putting constraints on the applicant. | 2023-10-10 18:13:55 | |
| To move this somewhere else on the property to. | 2023-10-10 18:13:58 | |
| And protect some trees that may not be there in 5 to 10 years. | 2023-10-10 18:14:01 | |
| So they get done with construction anyway. | 2023-10-10 18:14:03 | |
| Umm. | 2023-10-10 18:14:04 | |
| I think as long as they're adhering to the. | 2023-10-10 18:14:07 | |
| Tree canopy ordinance and they're making sure that they. | 2023-10-10 18:14:10 | |
| Putting in trees that are going to be large enough to replace that can. | 2023-10-10 18:14:13 | |
| It doesn't sound like they're. |