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OK, work session. First item on the list. Update on stage City Hall space redesign. 00:00:50
So. 00:00:59
Higher process video to. 00:01:01
Quite some planning. 00:01:07
Options for some design here that are City Hall to accommodate increase number of employees. 00:01:10
And also. 00:01:18
Emergency access recommended by one of our studies for. 00:01:22
And then I'll give it to you workflow in our planning department as well as in our. 00:01:31
And time over to Hawaii. 00:01:40
And. 00:01:45
His business partner, Mike. 00:01:46
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Desire. 00:01:52
I appreciate you. 00:01:55
So let us walk you through what we've been looking at for your organization. 00:01:58
This will be F we provided as a document that would be given to your organization through kind of overview. 00:02:03
How he had looked at kind of the needs of how your organization was. 00:02:12
And then a series of options for different phases. 00:02:21
That we're after. 00:02:24
So. 00:02:26
And really when we were approached criteria and the city staff about this project was really that address kind of space kind of 00:02:27
issues that they've identified as as a way to kind of. 00:02:33
And they're both the kind of questions they have in terms of of kind of. 00:02:40
Issues that they've had 14 but also developing kind of master plan so that you guys can eat your food. 00:02:44
And so the organizational chart and would imagine this organization. 00:02:50
Good. 00:02:58
Number of employees. 00:02:58
Next slide. 00:03:02
So when we kind of did a series of interviews with all the staff, what we did is. 00:03:05
Yes, the questions and then after we went through the questions. 00:03:09
You kind of made a notation of kind of words that popped up regularly within the question. So the question for where things that 00:03:13
are used. 00:03:17
Most frequently or issues within spaces that are kind of problematic. 00:03:22
What are the things that are important to kind of this kind of study? 00:03:27
And So what we found is one of the things, you know, the green is the big ones, being that these came up the most. 00:03:34
And the smaller ones would mean that they were issues that were brought up but not necessarily all the time. So as you can see, 00:03:42
one of the first things is that. 00:03:45
You know, right now, the break room. 00:03:50
Behind us is the budget. 00:03:52
Kind of Sapphire is something that is maybe not actually. 00:03:54
Being a great. 00:03:58
The idea of the pretty sand space is actually that it seems to be almost. 00:04:04
With the direction that the staff was heading through the. 00:04:09
Not hurting or and and. 00:04:11
Please. 00:04:15
That it was used in some way and then the fact that the. 00:04:16
Very kind. 00:04:22
It's something we consider. 00:04:26
Conference rooms are something that is important to the staffing. 00:04:29
Using across the board. 00:04:34
And then things like the private offices and something that. 00:04:35
Does that feel like they do enjoy that kind of private office? 00:04:38
Yes. 00:04:44
The other thing that we did is we mapped out kind of organizational chart. Other organizations understand both current needs as 00:04:47
well as what the future and safeties are going to be. So this was to help us understand where where you see growth happening, 00:04:53
which solutions will and where they might occur within the organizations. 00:04:59
And if I can just synergize for the council, this is the same kind of future planning at the staff level that you reviewed your 00:05:05
retreats. 00:05:10
That might be. 00:05:18
OK. 00:05:21
So what the? 00:05:24
The. 00:05:26
Did it. 00:05:28
OK, no problem. Thank you. 00:05:30
So the the things that in our data collection that we're also kind of. 00:05:32
Things are that we needed that with the questions of how we might present or things that were. 00:05:36
One of the things that came along with the idea of flexibility that would actually maybe one of the. 00:05:41
Big part of the burns. 00:05:47
About all of the spaces that the existing furniture which is now probably coming on 20 years old. 00:05:50
Is not quite to the correct, meaningful data and digital technology that could be useful. Natural lighting is definitely important 00:05:56
to everyone, but. 00:06:01
That many offices would actually, it's possible. 00:06:07
Electrical outlets. 00:06:10
9/4. 00:06:13
Computers and printers and screens and everyone has like. 00:06:14
Or five different outputs into like a plug, right? So how do we address that? 00:06:18
On. 00:06:23
One of the other questions was how can we? 00:06:24
Fully addressing accessibility issues that the building still have, particularly in terms of the basement and the access to the 00:06:26
room when you want to close off the upper floor. 00:06:31
So that's just some of the configuration that we'll see as dressing. 00:06:38
Well. 00:06:42
OK, So what we're going to show you is we're going to start that, start with the serial down, move through this. 00:06:44
Partly it was a way to think about. 00:06:51
How this leads to this kind of a model work, but also for us to develop with thinking about how you can actually do these 00:06:54
renovations, but you don't have to do it all at once. 00:06:59
That helps relative to budget, but it also helps for you guys earlier than how you can still continue to use this building. 00:07:08
And and and maintain the public facing kind of amenities and product that you need. 00:07:14
Right. And you still don't have to sleep here, so we're gonna first look at the South wing in the executive offices. 00:07:19
What we've done is the the kind of biggest need was there was a need for a couple more of the seasons. 00:07:28
There is some some administrative staff. 00:07:34
That would be introduced and so they were looking for a couple of kind of more individual office spaces as well as maybe a better 00:07:36
work so. 00:07:40
And so. 00:07:44
What this key does is it says kind of what is not in the scope. 00:07:46
What would have minor alterations, what would have moderate alterations, major alterations and then actually reconstruction? 00:07:50
So what you'll see here in the first option? Construction pieces. 00:07:55
This would relative to the security analysis that was provided to us is that basically the executive, we have no secondary egress 00:07:59
out of that area. 00:08:04
So in case there was. 00:08:09
Some type of kind of possible situation or other type of emergency which you need to lock down the building. 00:08:11
The executive that gets stuck. 00:08:18
Right. 00:08:19
And so they're recommending some type of secondary exit that could be kind of that this whole section, because this is actually 00:08:20
secured. 00:08:24
Could leave through that is not out these doors on the front. 00:08:28
So what we propose here is right now, they're conference room. You would add an exit door and then a walkway that would keep you 00:08:31
outside. 00:08:35
And so that's the new construction. 00:08:40
And then what we've done is to replace what's currently the copies storage this area. 00:08:42
That we replace with the new office. 00:08:48
This kind of whole area, which was the principal office. 00:08:51
Which is not really used for conference rooms. 00:08:55
Yes, absorbed into the administrative suite and that's the action gets cut off so that then this whole thing acts as the executive 00:08:58
zone effectively. 00:09:02
And incorporates the receptionist office. So now. 00:09:07
This whole area can be everyone in this kind of executive team can interact with each other without having to go in and out of 00:09:10
doors, which is happening a lot, right? 00:09:14
So then they're also able to create black office or some, you know, junior administrator interns and they're also you can create 00:09:20
another office that kind of has another service. 00:09:25
I thought we enlarged communication and server room. 00:09:30
Back here, what we've done is that the lobby was in. 00:09:35
Actually slightly too big. 00:09:39
In terms of, it becomes a waste of space. 00:09:41
You're not having a lot of people sit in that lobby for a long period of time. You might just be having someone to come and meet. 00:09:43
Or wait until they go into an office for a meeting. 00:09:48
And So what we're left, what we're proposing is where we create a coffee kind of wall. 00:09:51
Zone. 00:09:56
That allows us to get that functional, the function you need at the temple, everyone. 00:09:57
It can screen off this conference room, so it's not directly in the line of view, which currently you can see kind of straight 00:10:02
through. 00:10:05
From when people are coming. 00:10:09
Coming in. 00:10:10
And so then hopefully what we're saying is that. 00:10:11
This allows a little bit more privacy in that kind of area for when executives or or people in the executive team are doing a 00:10:14
meeting work right. 00:10:18
So next slide. 00:10:23
So what we're then proposing in the basement that's related to this is that. 00:10:27
When we do this walkway. 00:10:31
We could then readdress the parking and landscaping. 00:10:34
To provide the new VA parking stall. 00:10:38
And then a new entrance into the big hotel room that would be an exterior entrance. So then this allows you guys. 00:10:41
To have become a broom, which is your most public facing room, you went to off hours. 00:10:47
And actually address the 88 issues that have currently been. 00:10:53
A big problem for accessing that room. 00:10:56
Next line. 00:11:00
So this is how the envision that the exterior on the South end would look, right this kind of fortunately. 00:11:03
You look at this because Jared mentioned that you guys were starting to look at. 00:11:09
Doing some dictating work on the South end to address some issues. 00:11:13
And So what we feel like you can do is try and combine these two things together and actually address the aviations, but also give 00:11:17
your. 00:11:21
Building a public method on the South end which is very public facing because you have. 00:11:25
The playground and the parking lot with you. 00:11:30
And actually make it very clear when people are using the Big Cottonwood room. 00:11:32
In the evenings when it is open to the public and that you should be going there instead of the front entrance. 00:11:37
Right. So you can actually do some signage for the recovery group. 00:11:43
Of lighting and the pathways. 00:11:47
Right. And so, yeah. 00:11:49
Just wanted to let everybody know that the light worked on our terrorist project. 00:11:51
We study a couple years ago, so he was. 00:11:57
There's money with how our parking lot. 00:12:01
Interests. 00:12:05
For time. 00:12:07
He. 00:12:09
He's now. 00:12:10
Information Danger study. 00:12:13
Well, yeah, basically. 00:12:18
That history of that when we were working on that, your child will also trying to address a issue back then. 00:12:20
And so I thought, well, I'll maybe bring that as a way to kill two birds. Once done. Again, we're still using. 00:12:26
Next slide. 00:12:32
And this is how we envision the revision of the executive and just copy it so that we could do these green wall and then that can 00:12:34
become the kind of graphic element that when people walk in. 00:12:39
And look through the doors. 00:12:44
That's what they see as kind of the holidays involved. 00:12:46
Rather than seeing people in an office space behind. 00:12:49
So what we've done is basically kind of tried to give. 00:12:55
A road map in terms of how much each space. 00:12:59
Would mean in terms of work overall. 00:13:03
As well as the primary source of the costs and so I think. 00:13:05
Maybe we'll just go through all the slides. They'll have that information that they reviewed more hopefully where we can come back 00:13:10
to that a little bit later. 00:13:13
Help. 00:13:17
That's what you like. 00:13:18
You wanna go through that point somehow? You through, I know, probably move through the options right now. So I think we're gonna 00:13:20
have to stop. 00:13:23
That's it. So next slide. 00:13:28
So. 00:13:31
This is a secondary option and. 00:13:31
The secondary option was thinking about. 00:13:34
Particularly this kind of exit sequence. 00:13:37
And if you're actually trying to do something at that South end? 00:13:40
How that could be potentially even more beneficial than just the kind of. 00:13:43
What we thought was like a balcony, like stare on your South end, which kind of felt a little bit like. 00:13:48
Yeah, exactly. Which didn't necessarily feel so appropriate for a very public facing building, right. So a lot of this stays the 00:13:54
same. 00:13:58
We did play a little bit with understanding maybe how you use some of these spaces intermittently. 00:14:03
But the big thing is that we're now proposing what we're calling it epic. That's real. The other thing that happens is it gives us 00:14:08
an ancillary space for people to. 00:14:13
So the other thing was in the security update. 00:14:18
There was the need for secondary egress from the executive suite, but there was also the mention of if there was a possibility 00:14:22
there would be secure holding. 00:14:26
That was private. 00:14:32
Before you leave. 00:14:33
This week because. 00:14:35
Yes. 00:14:37
Say, God forbid there was like a shooting incident that was out. 00:14:38
We need to get you out of this, but we don't want you out onto the street yet because we don't know what's going on. 00:14:41
So then this becomes a fully secured, basically panic. 00:14:47
Of sorts that can keep all the staff there until they're gonna be off here. 00:14:51
Next slide. 00:14:56
The opportunity, then, is also going to give us an actual vestibule. 00:14:58
Entrance into the recovery. So one of the complaints was that if we do a door here. 00:15:02
During a performance or anything, suddenly a door opens and people interrupting something in the Cottonwood room immediately, 00:15:07
whether it's light or noise or sound. 00:15:11
So with vestibule we can actually have something where it's gated off so that if you were having a performance or something, 00:15:15
right? 00:15:19
You have someone waiting there and just wait. Hold them there until the appropriate time to let them in. 00:15:23
And again, the rest of it is very similar in terms of addressing. 00:15:28
The edits all needs while providing new landscaping and way to transition from. 00:15:31
The upper level to lower level. 00:15:35
Without having to walk all the way around. 00:15:37
That's right. So that this is what we. 00:15:40
Imagine couldn't happen on the South end. 00:15:43
We call this kind of a Lantern proposal. The idea then now is that this South end turns to pick up on the architecture that 00:15:45
happened in the additions of Greer where a change of. 00:15:51
Brickstone. 00:15:57
Helps people understand this isn't universal. 00:15:59
But it still respects the history and architecture of the original building. 00:16:01
Both the the mansion element is then what we're hoping is that. 00:16:05
Yes, in the evening or because a lot of the the Cottonwood uses are happening. 00:16:09
That thing gets turned on. 00:16:15
And that becomes the signal, and it becomes attractive to bring people to that corner and really think about, hey, there's an 00:16:17
event coming on, you can have a lot of fun with it. You could try different colors, all sorts of things. 00:16:22
But what it does is it really gives the public. 00:16:28
Component of the building. 00:16:31
A truly kind of architectural moment that helps really communicate clearly to your public. 00:16:32
This is a ship. 00:16:37
Next slide. 00:16:39
Again, this is a breakdown of how. 00:16:42
Where we feel the scope of work would be and then some initial preliminary comments. 00:16:44
That's right. 00:16:50
So then we're moving down the corridor, so. 00:16:52
This is. 00:16:56
Uh. 00:16:57
The work right now in the multi-purpose room, which we're in the break room and it's City Council chambers, this would be very 00:16:58
light. This was about carpet. 00:17:01
On some furnishings. 00:17:05
Next slide. 00:17:08
And then just a little bit of the kind of breakdown costs. 00:17:11
Next slide. 00:17:14
Now we're going to focus on planning department, which may have some kind of. 00:17:15
Your concerns are primarily about kind of the public. 00:17:20
As well as the need for additional offices because they are having immediate needs and exact. 00:17:24
So in this first proposal, which was? 00:17:28
Simply kind of reconsidering the existing spaces which are divided primarily by default and how you might be able to very quickly 00:17:31
modify it to hopefully. 00:17:35
Create additional office space as well as kind of. 00:17:40
Contain what? What it what kind of partner says right now? 00:17:44
People in the public verification, they keep on walking around the counter and then just going into people's offices and that's 00:17:47
bit of a security concern about that as a personal concern, right? 00:17:51
So basically we're just closing off the. 00:17:55
The opening with a kind of door packs and then we moved conference room and storage here. So currently this is a conference room 00:17:59
and office. 00:18:03
Which feels a little bit. 00:18:07
On this way for public and then so we've moved private public offices and private working spaces. 00:18:08
That. 00:18:14
Next slide. 00:18:16
The Office of the Planning Department did ask us to consider a couple different options. 00:18:18
Kind of escalating in terms of how many changes happen in that area. So the first one is that we can then consider the three areas 00:18:23
as kind of cleared out and then re envisioned. 00:18:27
And So what happens is we are then proposing the lobby slide to the end. 00:18:33
And then a new kind of entrance here. So then the lobby and the public area is actually fully contained. You would have a small 00:18:37
conference room that you can meet public. 00:18:41
If the department needs to meet with public. 00:18:45
And then the plan review space, which is the most public? 00:18:47
Interface between the Planning department and the public. 00:18:50
And then a series of kind of more private spaces in the back. 00:18:53
This then means all the kind of office space needs as well as provides a little bit of. 00:18:56
Flex office space and collaboration space for future growth if needed. 00:19:01
We did propose 1 alternative to that scene, which is this scene here where? 00:19:05
We just feel that right now. 00:19:10
When people are working here, you can still see down the corridor and so if people are moving in and out of the private spaces, 00:19:13
you still kind of get it, run something on the way. 00:19:16
And So what we've kind of flipped is that. 00:19:21
This wall here. 00:19:24
We're pretty sure is not low varying unlike this one which is it makes it very well. So if you remove that wall, this gives us the 00:19:26
flexibility to come about this as one big kind of space that we can reconfigure for offices. 00:19:32
As well as collaboration zone and then move the planning department forward. 00:19:38
So that the most public facing and public engagement sits kind of in this front zone. 00:19:42
And then director and stuff like that that are more privately to the back. 00:19:47
Next flight. 00:19:52
And again, this is a little bit about scope of work. This was originally for the first option I showed you. 00:19:55
The two other options have just come in, in the last week. So that's we just proposed from the plans to the planning department 00:20:00
pick it up that. 00:20:04
There one of the advantages of kind of moving that public. 00:20:11
Action, as you're proposing here, is that it removes a conflict point with support right now. Yeah, or two. Most. 00:20:15
Used parts of the building or like right across each other, right. And yeah, so there was like the old building was about that 00:20:26
kind of symmetry of those kind of entrances. 00:20:30
But then it it creates conflict eventually. 00:20:35
That's why. 00:20:39
So then in these kind of spaces what we're then looking for? 00:20:40
As a waitress, a lot of the other particularly effectual means is not by proposing. 00:20:45
Like ripping and cutting and grand. 00:20:50
Actually looking at office furniture, new office furniture that is much more flexible. 00:20:53
But also the most new office furniture allows for plugging in and contributing so that you can do a master plug and then energize 00:20:58
with a series of plugs in the back so that we can address these electrical concerns very quickly without having to do much in 00:21:04
terms of actual part changes. So there's a series of kind of different ways in which we can then look at office layouts and 00:21:10
furniture layouts to give kind of people the kind of space usage they actually. 00:21:17
Next slide. 00:21:25
And so. 00:21:27
The next. 00:21:28
Area that we look at is the basement. 00:21:30
The basement came up because it felt like there was a lot of underutilized space, particularly in the North End. 00:21:33
Of the building. 00:21:39
And So what we've proposed is A2 phased approach. 00:21:41
How you can think about the building? 00:21:44
Personally, the basement. 00:21:47
And so this would be phase one and this is phase two. 00:21:48
Phase one is. 00:21:51
Basically one of the main complaints that the. 00:21:53
The gem is sucked. 00:21:55
Inside the internal right, so there's no windows. 00:21:57
It kind of feels dark and a little bit reloading. 00:22:00
And then the space which is the art director and this passing back here. 00:22:03
Umm. 00:22:07
They are really just being used completely as storage. 00:22:08
Right. So what we've done is we've actually flipped the two and that can actually be a pretty fast thing. The space was being the 00:22:12
same thing. They're approximately 5. 00:22:16
And it just might be updating some 4 finishes, but now we have contained storage which is inside the building. 00:22:20
And completely secure and then we can move. 00:22:28
The fitness area and they have light levels so that even though and they're deep enough so that you're not on display, but you 00:22:31
actually get some natural light into a workout space. 00:22:34
And then the art director? 00:22:38
We make that influence, we actually proposal that becomes a real office representative. 00:22:40
And so the art director can move down there. They can store. There's enough room that they can do this part store for when they're 00:22:45
doing community art shows. 00:22:48
And then, since they're using the community art shows in that corridor, they're actually located exactly where they need to be. 00:22:52
Over here, the little cotton room in the 1st place stays the same the kitchen. 00:22:58
Part of it remains, but then we create what was deemed like lacking in this building is the Wellness room. So basically. 00:23:04
A place for mothers to nurse, which doesn't happen anywhere in the building right now and then. The other big thing is that there 00:23:11
is no location of set location for the ELC. 00:23:15
And so basically kind of floating, I believe in a closet in one of the rooms. 00:23:21
And so it would be nice to make sure that the OC now has a a very clear location where all that stuff goes. 00:23:25
It is also the main quarter, so it's easy to access. 00:23:31
Back here. 00:23:34
The little conwood room kind of wrapped around here and it's kind of a weird shape. It's extremely long. 00:23:36
And then the kind of way in which it gets used is a little bit problematic because I think. 00:23:41
People looking at that room. 00:23:46
And like the big problem is not really sure how do I set it up, what are needs work like it's orientation. So what we propose is 00:23:47
that we square it will come in the room so that when it becomes clear that you have an entrance to beautiful windows. 00:23:53
And it was a nice rectangular space for general party who will understand how to use that a little bit more. 00:23:59
And then this backspace actually becomes the new break and flexor. 00:24:05
And so it's large enough where it can provide. 00:24:08
A break room that the entire executive, actually all the administrative staff need all at once. If you want to do an all hands 00:24:12
meeting, you finally have a place to do it in. 00:24:16
The other thing is that it's flexible enough that it could be. 00:24:21
Done is almost like a casual coworking space where if you have consultants coming into a little bit, they have a place to land. 00:24:24
That feels comfortable. It's out of the way. 00:24:31
But then it's still a productive workspace. 00:24:33
In phase two, this was imagining when the staff increases to the maximum, which saw another 5 to 8 people. 00:24:36
This will come with then become. 00:24:44
A new executive worksheet which is open office and that was before coming to your staff and then we convert. 00:24:48
This area to A to an additional meeting room. 00:24:53
Next slide. 00:24:57
So this is how we imagine that that great workouts workspace to become what we we feel is really nice. Is that again? 00:25:00
But the interesting part about this building is the backside dropped off about that. There's quite large group in, so it doesn't 00:25:07
feel out around. You get a lot of light into those spaces. 00:25:12
And then so it doesn't feel like you're working the dungeon, but it is. 00:25:18
Back facing is not public facing. 00:25:23
Some of the other stages so it does feel proper way and it feels like a place that you can then do some more of your kind of 00:25:25
activities without having people. 00:25:29
That's fine. 00:25:33
It's perfect. 00:25:34
We also like, like I said, we designed it as a way to be kind of a multi use space so that you can do all hand speeding, but it 00:25:36
feels comfortable enough that. 00:25:39
You might want to do an extended lunch break and hang out there while you do this work. 00:25:43
Next slide. 00:25:48
Again, this is kind of how we get to identify how much scope of work will be required and then a general breakdown of where we 00:25:50
think some costs will be. 00:25:54
This is the Justice Court. This was brought to us in that. 00:26:00
Their concern right now is that. 00:26:03
This area which was originally holding them is currently unusable because. 00:26:05
Right now it doesn't have any chemical equipment that works, so. 00:26:10
In the winter is through the whole. 00:26:13
And that will keep people better so. 00:26:16
And then, um, because it had this kind of component where you get out of here, it wasn't what they felt was really secure. 00:26:19
Speaking with the justices. 00:26:28
They were saying that what they. 00:26:30
Definitely need this additional. 00:26:32
Client Conference room. 00:26:34
And then if we can just. 00:26:36
At the meeting, sources provide. Kind of. 00:26:38
Climate control to these areas and this can actually these are being used for intended purpose. 00:26:42
And then we've been blocked off that secondary kind of access point, so that security concern as well as giving them the kind of 00:26:47
conference. 00:26:51
That's what. 00:26:57
This is again just breaking down the kind of what we work is and somehow. 00:26:59
So then this is kind of our overall summary of the individual spaces. 00:27:06
Where we see those preliminary costs being? 00:27:12
We will say that these costs are very conceptual, high level. 00:27:15
I think the biggest challenge has been for us is that. 00:27:19
Even within when we first started this project and began looking at these costs about three months ago. 00:27:23
That ended with sanity check with some colleagues. 00:27:28
About a week ago where she prices still escalated quite quickly. 00:27:31
And so that's just a conversation that we will have to have in terms of. 00:27:36
How we then how we move forward and then get you. 00:27:40
Numbers that we feel are real time. 00:27:43
And closer you would actually see if you went out on the market with the project? 00:27:46
Excellent. 00:27:51
Any questions for us? 00:27:59
That's a lot of information, so. 00:28:01
I would have a lot of questions, but probably not appropriate for this meeting. You know better than the details, but the sign 00:28:04
that piece of it. 00:28:08
So the other piece we've actually we've now we're we're gonna come back to you in September. 00:28:12
So we've actually had a couple proposals with the structural here talk about what their proposal for. 00:28:18
And then what is the what in fact may be the implication implications to these renovations relative to the scope, right? 00:28:24
And so my understanding in our conversation. 00:28:31
Interventions at different levels of. 00:28:35
I'm not saying intensity, right? So the first proposal was. 00:28:38
Is a roof based intervention is about hitting the roof to the exterior walls? 00:28:42
He's saying that. 00:28:47
That's the priority. That's the one he would recommend. 00:28:48
Because that would give you. 00:28:51
The. 00:28:54
That would take you to a place where he felt that you have the best chance of having a building you stable enough that during a 00:28:55
large type of event you can get everyone sticking out of the building. 00:29:00
But it doesn't guarantee that the building may be used after that. Well, I'm not. I'm not talking about. 00:29:05
The scope of the cyclic, but my question is. 00:29:12
To this assignment happening done 1st and then this. We're working together so that's why I'm explaining these options to you. 00:29:16
Yeah, you look at it and there are certain ones that can be faced with these things. 00:29:21
Some of it could be split, right. So the roof option could be considered a split because when I actually talked about, you said. 00:29:27
It's actually better to come from the outside, from up from the roof. 00:29:34
And then come down. 00:29:37
Because I actually like. Well, do you wanna like if you were doing? 00:29:38
These office renovations and we're taking some walls and tuned anyway and these come from from inside rather than the root cause 00:29:41
any relatively recently but actually the preferred way would be down. 00:29:47
For that option. 00:29:54
So that one could be. 00:29:55
Divorced from any other kind of other things. 00:29:57
The rest of them? 00:30:00
The second option which is. 00:30:01
The kind of natural intensity which is rebuilding these internal masonry walls. 00:30:03
That one would want to be coordinated with any type of determination because what they're proposing is that these walls literally 00:30:08
get taken down to the basement and we rebuilt the foundation. 00:30:13
Right. 00:30:19
So there's a question of, and I talked to him about can we do it? Do we have to do go over all vertically or can we stage in the 00:30:20
basement first? 00:30:24
And it's tied into the upper floor low labor period of time that you have to possible. 00:30:28
The preferred option would be is to just move in section along the wall down. 00:30:34
And just being such a vertically, right? 00:30:38
And so we've been looking at ways to then strategize about how if there's these different scenarios. 00:30:41
How we might be able to phase it? 00:30:47
To allow and if we can figure out a way that we follow this building to operate through that entire construction process, right. 00:30:49
Because I think that was the biggest concern. 00:30:56
If you take on that side, are you going to get displaced, right and the cost of that displaced? 00:30:58
And so that's what we're working through now. 00:31:04
And so we've we've been seeing that Jared and Jared actually asked us to kind of come back after they have a meeting with. 00:31:06
You said that. 00:31:14
September about like a full kind of picture about that. 00:31:16
Members. 00:31:22
But that you know that's just kind of preliminary what we what we've been kind of exploring that we're getting into this, but if 00:31:26
there's any other things you want to consider it. 00:31:30
We're gonna let you know. 00:31:36
Or there there's some questions that you would hope to get answered by that September you let us know that we've been working. 00:31:38
Anybody would be helpful to ask for some kind of reaction to the options, but right now. 00:31:47
If there is anything that would be off the table, something really light and would want us to explore more from the cost 00:31:56
perspective. 00:31:59
I think one of the concerns. 00:32:05
Initial concerns I would have would be is the. 00:32:08
Really take the planning department is bringing up. What are we trying to accommodate? 00:32:13
Then in the space there is just because that's the easiest way to do it. So and I'll I'll watch maybe after the options being 00:32:19
presented with two options. 00:32:24
Both after the initial. 00:32:30
When we suffered that one was also be removed and we could take that front counter and pivot it. 00:32:35
We have space. 00:32:41
Any other questions for us? 00:32:50
You. 00:32:53
The little yeah, with the. 00:32:54
We have some data and we've had it overtime and not something I can share with you with that one. 00:33:01
30 grand. 00:33:09
And for larger events, for cycles, you know it's not her. 00:33:10
Yeah. I think some of my questions would be more into the weeds regarding the space. That's probably not appropriate. 00:33:19
Play. 00:33:25
Versus in the break room when we're designing that. 00:33:26
Do we need more private spaces? And that's more of a. 00:33:30
OK, we're gonna do it now. Yeah, really. Look at that space. 00:33:34
Concept. 00:33:38
Anyway. 00:33:42
We may be going back to these options on the outside. 00:33:47
Any reaction to? 00:33:53
It has the best of your best of your persons. 00:33:56
Yeah. 00:34:01
So you're asking me do $250,000 difference essentially for that? 00:34:02
So preliminarily, because of how much work we're going to actually, you know? 00:34:06
The first option. 00:34:11
The main thing we gain for that is. 00:34:13
After. 00:34:16
There's aesthetically there's something to be said about him, but I think also the utility in the lower room, yeah. 00:34:18
Because events are going on for that and then the security of not having basically what we said was what the security report 00:34:27
recommended potentially having. 00:34:31
Putting that police here. 00:34:39
You know, yeah, it's more crazy than you. 00:34:40
That I like that functionality piece the aesthetics of it. 00:34:44
And the functionality of the common room. 00:34:48
They have some great advantage that they're talking about the lighting as well and how it becomes sort of a beacon. 00:34:51
You have advanced down there. 00:34:56
Uh. 00:34:57
After the other one. 00:34:58
You know which which provides that. 00:35:00
Egress. 00:35:02
But this kind of piracy? 00:35:04
Yeah, you know, and it's not horrible, but. 00:35:06
Yeah. 00:35:11
When we look at that, sorry, I agree I I'm not. 00:35:16
OK. Yeah, that's probably, but I do like. 00:35:24
You like the idea of. 00:35:28
Two entrances where you can enter. 00:35:30
There's the problem happening again and. 00:35:32
They didn't come through the door right during the event. 00:35:36
Nice to have that entry where they come in and their schedules. 00:35:39
Cushion or holding there before they actually enter. 00:35:43
That you have. 00:35:46
Sunlight. 00:35:48
Yes, yeah. 00:35:50
Like somebody pouring in there. 00:35:52
Would be would be distracting to the audience members around the back part of the hallway. 00:35:55
Provides better. 00:36:01
Yeah, So what? What? 00:36:02
Our firm had learned in the very first primary design going to look at the South end of the world. What kind of you had responded 00:36:04
to was? 00:36:07
One of the things that. 00:36:11
Had originally been coming through an idea about that. Now Plaza or having that is that. 00:36:13
Really. Because it's such a public facing. 00:36:18
Momentarily. 00:36:22
It's kind of interesting because. 00:36:23
Is actually a third base. It wasn't originally seen that way, The school actually. 00:36:25
Because they're kind of parking area, lot of public housing. 00:36:31
Things there. 00:36:34
Was. 00:36:35
In that original kind of. 00:36:36
Kind of. 00:36:38
Design exploration. There especially, how can we make? 00:36:38
This end of the building. 00:36:41
The third entrance, In fact, it would become the more prominent interest than the one that's wrapped around. 00:36:43
On the on the West side of the building. 00:36:48
Right, because actually you guys don't use that as a publication you don't want. 00:36:51
And so that was kind of where this effort. 00:36:56
Something that addresses like a number of concerns. 00:37:00
Well, actually into this kind of. 00:37:03
After everything has been out there for you. 00:37:05
And that is also an opportunity to visit. 00:37:08
Yeah, you know, go back to the picture with the fire escape looking type access. 00:37:13
So. So my reaction is so right, right now we have 3 offices that we have the mayor's office, that's the conference room in the 00:37:19
middle. Yeah. And then Gina's office on the left. I had two thoughts. One is. 00:37:25
Why have the exit be in that conference room? That's Instrumented Description Emergency exit. 00:37:31
It could be just in the mayor's office. 00:37:37
And on the very corner of the building, it's only going to be used for an emergency. 00:37:40
And then it's just those steps and it's not that that sort of. 00:37:44
Battle three thing. 00:37:48
But the other the other thought I had was. 00:37:50
Could there be an emergency exit off the roof? 00:37:53
On the wet on you know the the stage. 00:37:57
That that could. 00:38:01
Go down. 00:38:04
Use office or or Stephanie Stephanie's office. 00:38:06
Like a lot like room. So I don't know. I just. I just wonder why we why we need to put that escape in the middle of the building. 00:38:12
And have that base structure where it could be either on the western or. So we actually looked at an option where we went out the 00:38:22
the kind of West side and so then the question becomes very land upstairs. 00:38:27
So the questions relative to this there have always been. 00:38:34
When you have a stair, and this is the other question you have here even whether it's here or here, because it was scared as 00:38:38
public facing if people didn't disturb. 00:38:42
Just sit there or whatever, right relative to a door that actually accesses the kind of mayors office. 00:38:47
That would seem a pretty high security problem that way. 00:38:54
The best door? Someone still could break into it relatively easy. 00:38:57
Because it's the door as another access point. 00:39:00
Right. 00:39:04
Relatives of the backside are questionable. Then it's if again, it was a little bit of a security concern. 00:39:05
Are we now inviting people to then be able to walk across the room and analyze the room? 00:39:11
And then break windows, right. Yes we create, we we exactly we it's like the like. 00:39:16
We hate to ask, but you know, we hate to do it, but we have to. 00:39:21
Imagine the worst case scenario if you're behavior and creating more access to a roof is usually like not the best idea. 00:39:25
So that's why we moved away from that. We did present an option to the staff about. 00:39:33
And also this. 00:39:38
This. 00:39:39
Placement of the door gives an overhang so that if somebody is. 00:39:41
You know, knocking on the door. 00:39:45
Years. 00:39:48
It was, yeah, it was. 00:39:49
They basically become the second game actually acts of the money. Yeah, yeah. 00:39:52
OK. Just one quick question to think about. Can you show me the the executive suite, so pinterested in transition? 00:39:59
To. 00:40:09
The coffee room, the principal trimmer, Ukraine. Those office. Yeah, I think I got an answer there. So that's terribly scared 00:40:11
going down there. Search here and then there's a new stair here. 00:40:15
Currently they don't have to come in. 00:40:21
Through the lobby, get their offset. You also enter from their home. OK, so there's a secondary door here. These are clean, right? 00:40:24
But the one thing that we thought was really important is that by introducing this staircase here, currently the staff comes out 00:40:31
here and then he's in. 00:40:34
If you have these do this then this whole section. 00:40:38
You can look in and out. 00:40:43
Outside and that was one thing you don't have to dress. 00:40:46
Just another comment I mean. 00:40:58
I'm sure, I'm sure this. 00:41:00
I'm suppose you have any hair because your hair, you pull your hair off, you've got. 00:41:02
We've got 1234 levels in this building and. 00:41:06
Have you ever thought about putting it in elevator to solve 88 problems I think like in like? 00:41:12
I mean so. 00:41:20
Would it possibly have an elevator that would? Well, I guess what would you put access? 00:41:21
And stuff that we stick in elevator. And so the biggest challenge is when we look at something like like. 00:41:41
This is. 00:41:48
That's correct. 00:42:15
Which? 00:42:16
12%. 00:43:34
I think the question that we hope can give you enough information to have discussion about is that legitimately understanding. 00:43:59
But we feel that our designs. 00:44:05
Maybe what we have out was according to the feedback we got, is that you would have a plan that would now set up your building 00:44:08
tool. 00:44:12
To last the next 20 to 25 years. So as long as you've been in this building, you will now be in this building for another 25 that 00:44:15
that same amount of time, right? And so if you make this investment now to give you that lifespan. 00:44:22
Right. Is that worth it versus saying well? 00:44:28
We're gonna run out of space. We're gonna run out of. 00:44:31
I find people. We just have to dress. We're gonna or we're gonna say we're just gonna. 00:44:34
Even is and we'll just only pop up piece meal when we have an issue with addresses and actually right. 00:44:37
Is what works best for both the finances of the city, but also how you have organization want to run. 00:44:43
You know so. 00:44:49
We don't have. 00:44:52
Process. 00:44:53
So. 00:44:54
In the city. So I don't see where you've already kind of projected what our. 00:44:56
Or needs are going to be from an employee standpoint? 00:45:01
Hope that it might be another. 00:45:05
Three or 4FT E So what that showing me is that. 00:45:07
We do have enough space in this building. We're using a lot of very efficiently and we can reprogram it. 00:45:11
You make some very nice comfortable working spaces. 00:45:17
And even if we even at a cost us $8 million. 00:45:21
It's gonna be way, way ahead. 00:45:26
You know, the other thing is, I would say is her residents have told us that they don't want us to do that. 00:45:30
They don't want us to have a. 00:45:36
And you know, they, I think they wanted to have another city. They don't want us to go build one of these. 00:45:38
30 or 40 or $50 million sitting halls. 00:45:45
So I think, yeah, I think what we got comfortable with is that. 00:45:48
Realizing how much this is actually you're building and yeah, you can start to repurpose it. Yeah, we're really efficient ways you 00:45:52
can stay in here and again, we can make your goal for over 25 years, right? 00:45:57
And and and actually you guys don't have. 00:46:03
Important for doing substantial things beyond these kind of initial kind of predictions. 00:46:07
So on option 8 or should we be working? 00:46:20
Which of these options should we be working with to bring the numbers and birth? 00:46:26
I'm involved here on this. I I don't really care. I don't really. I'm not. 00:46:35
I'm not persuaded by the panic room thing, yeah. 00:46:39
But I am. I do like the aesthetic piece of the time. I'd like the double entry on the bottom. 00:46:43
Be able to. 00:46:48
Have some transitionary there. They're often given so that you could put some signage above that. Keep that above the outside door 00:46:50
there, it would just. 00:46:54
Feel better there than on the old brick. 00:46:59
Especially because that is the handicapped entrance for that lower level. 00:47:02
Yeah. 00:47:06
So starting the top part of them. 00:47:07
There is there. 00:47:09
Like, is it just an emergency exit out of the conference room currently, Right now? Yeah. 00:47:11
What's that? What's that works with up there? So this is literally just that that kind of the windows are high enough basically 00:47:19
that's that, that's. 00:47:22
So then this is a, this is a. This is still a full height feeling, but we needed an egress packet off of that door. So it comes 00:47:29
out, there's an internal stair and then a little door just pops out on the backside, so you can't really see it. And so this was a 00:47:35
way to then create a way to get literally get out without having the. 00:47:40
Next year, is there issue with somebody then planning on using it like that? 00:47:47
You can fully find it, but we still have enough full Catholic faith that this whole bottom part accessible vestibule. 00:47:51
So we've also, I mean you're mentioning panic, we've also talked about it. It's just additional camera space. 00:47:58
Into that that way that is to be used. 00:48:07
If you go to the plan view. 00:48:14
Explain how that yeah so if you go to the upper floor. 00:48:20
Go up. 00:48:27
Yeah, so this is still the exit out, but this acts as like a platform above and then this air comes out and then there's just a 00:48:31
small walk for that then allows you to get out onto this. 00:48:36
But again the the two things we were looking at here is on the first once we get exterior stair. 00:48:41
And we started asking ourselves what are all the issues that we have an exterior stair that. 00:48:46
We don't necessarily want people entering or anything like that. 00:48:52
Of that first thing we had, OK, well, you know everything from, well, it's a cool scare that has a great view of the sunset, so. 00:48:55
In the evening, you're gonna find like five or six people just hanging out there now, right? How do we then create a closed cases 00:49:03
there that's out but then doesn't have issues with the public? 00:49:07
And so that's when we came up with this. 00:49:12
Where it's like it's enclosed but there's a second level and then there's the bottom level and the two are separated. 00:49:15
So that you don't have the issues of a public space. 00:49:21
And then having access to a private space and that confusion, should I go there or I'm assuming that that scared the door at the 00:49:24
bottom here is going to be a sealed door? Yeah, With no handle. No handle. 00:49:30
Yeah, yeah. Only pushes out, right? So there's no doubt. No handle, handle, nothing, right? 00:49:38
And then that's why we also wanted to do this in the planting and we screened this door from the street. 00:49:44
So when you're walking down here, it just kind of disappeared. 00:49:49
And then you're you're kind of like you just scribe your attention, continue down all the way. 00:49:52
I like this option on this. 00:50:01
Yeah. 00:50:08
Well, thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Thank you. 00:50:14
Yeah, right. 00:50:20
It's been a problem that. 00:50:25
More than one way. 00:50:30
On top of. 00:50:33
First round. 00:50:38
2 million. 00:50:40
Right now. 00:50:43
So. 00:50:45
Something like this? 00:50:48
Or something like that. 00:50:51
So I mean we have about 10 million. 00:50:53
And on. 00:50:56
Right. 00:50:59
We have some fun. 00:51:01
Maybe. 00:51:04
I don't know that I'm. 00:51:09
Thanks. 00:51:10
Alright. 00:51:14
That's all. 00:51:17
Trying to get. 00:51:29
Important part of this This is not just 15. 00:51:31
We're gonna do this. Let's make sure we get the right. 00:51:35
Office equipment. 00:51:38
Right. 00:51:43
I will. 00:51:46
But. 00:51:47
You do have that. 00:51:48
100. 00:51:50
Places where different funding to in the process. 00:51:51
So I will. 00:51:56
We've got. 00:51:58
You got? 00:52:01
We met. 00:52:02
Up here. 00:52:04
So I think we just have to see. 00:52:06
But I think if we face that, if we have the Council. 00:52:09
Think a lot of, lot of. 00:52:12
We're doing this. 00:52:15
Question. 00:52:16
Or if they say. 00:52:19
Close. 00:52:21
Take this. 00:52:22
You're hearing. 00:52:24
Internal. 00:52:27
Without. 00:52:28
And part of, again like representative of the series of discrete areas as part of the. 00:52:31
Legitimately may actually want to say that regardless of. 00:52:39
Just as an organization by phasing it in this public phase. 00:52:44
By just understanding. 00:52:50
People really don't have to discuss anymore, and from your citizens, they always know where you're going, right? I think that's 00:52:54
the most disruptive thing. 00:52:58
Mill Creek citizens, so. 00:53:05
Then they split. 00:53:07
Temporary. 00:53:12
There's a whole like 631 period where like they're not going for what because they had to. 00:53:12
And. 00:53:21
Because of your challenge, right? And so. 00:53:22
We were hoping to show you discreetly like. 00:53:26
Areas actually done. 00:53:29
But also. 00:53:33
Kind of. 00:53:34
Issue. 00:53:37
But when you first want to say, well, you know, we understand. 00:53:39
And then? 00:53:48
Alright. 00:53:58
Any other issues? 00:54:00
OK, that's good. OK, let's move on to this session of public hearing. 00:54:03
And. 00:54:09
The landscape Ordinance. 00:54:12
You might. 00:54:15
My 150 got that, John? 00:54:17
Of nothing in the documents. 00:54:22
That comes from 30 district. 00:54:24
In terms of the. 00:54:27
That just addresses the new development. 00:54:30
But then according to this document, kind of. 00:54:33
A summary document or is that kind of? 00:54:36
This is a summary from What the division? 00:54:39
Except for you. 00:54:42
Not now. 00:54:44
You heard from public comment today only practicing problems. Yeah, that's not how it works. 00:54:45
Right, that's what my question was is I was looking at this. This implies. 00:54:50
You only. 00:54:54
But then ordinance language has new plus. 00:54:56
Redevelopment with extra textbook for change or. 00:54:59
Yeah. And then are those together or are we? 00:55:03
Are we having more triggers than more than required in the centers together? 00:55:07
And they addressed what the Conservancy districts called new construction. 00:55:14
OK, so so we aren't out of sync with what they're reading. So we're looking at new construction, building addition situation. 00:55:19
Your house or office? 00:55:28
It was full. 00:55:31
Language. 00:55:34
OK. So we're not going above and beyond now in this number? 00:55:36
Language says you residential commercial use of construction. 00:55:41
This resulted in our own addition here construction. 00:55:47
Probably. 00:55:51
That language that is proposed right now? 00:55:55
Division Four. 00:56:00
David accepted this. 00:56:02
In this especially. 00:56:06
And John Lewis at this. 00:56:13
Support. 00:56:18
Thank you. 00:56:20
There's probably. 00:56:21
35 or so homes a year that would qualify as a new construction. 00:56:22
That. 00:56:31
I'd like to see you. 00:56:43
Hi there. 00:56:46
The price. 00:56:48
This. 00:56:51
Couple of. 00:56:57
Additional steps you have normally taken. 00:56:58
Especially requiring. 00:57:03
Enforce the parameters. 00:57:15
Those are directly related to. 00:57:22
State. 00:57:25
Remove municipalities ability to bond for private influence. Normally we would bond for compliance. 00:57:27
Installation. 00:57:37
But just can't do that any longer. 00:57:39
Full on Force. 00:57:47
To take. 00:57:57
To you. 00:58:02
The initial review would be Park Park. 00:58:05
Problem is solved. 00:58:08
Additional. 00:58:11
152. 00:58:13
Order. 00:58:15
And also review what? 00:58:21
1st. 00:58:25
Out front of their property. 00:58:30
1. 00:58:33
Move it all. 00:58:34
Type. 00:58:37
And going back and forth with architect. 00:58:41
Additional layer. 00:58:47
Something. 00:58:52
Because we're already in the states with turn around. 00:58:55
So. 00:59:02
They have here to. 00:59:03
So what happened? 00:59:10
It hasn't been put in. 00:59:12
I mean, is there something that you got his department would check on? 00:59:15
Yeah. 00:59:19
So similar to this one violation. 00:59:20
What has not been installed? 00:59:24
Please. 00:59:27
This. 00:59:30
And then this really violation after that sort of maximum. 00:59:31
Feel. 00:59:45
So he had estimated about $12,000 in additional staffing costs. 00:59:47
Yeah. 00:59:59
So and then as to what's in recommended by the Planning Commission. 01:00:04
Really are? 01:00:10
The option because with the caption now is what steps. 01:00:14
Because. 01:00:22
Example of. 01:00:41
The types of. 01:00:44
Right. 01:00:47
Sorry. 01:00:49
They're nothing new construction that the model piece. 01:00:51
Sort of. Kind of. 01:00:56
Scenarios that. 01:00:58
Next song? 01:01:00
Yeah, so I I I support the effort and I want to find a way to to vote yes on this, but I also want to make sure we're not. 01:01:02
You know someone you know? 01:01:14
Probably someone remodeled their kitchen, but the new flooring capability right now and suddenly after. 01:01:17
Are there parameters that would? 01:01:27
Seems unrelated to the landscaping, but then all of a sudden I'm I'm outside of some grandfather thing for. 01:01:30
Marking my kitchen. Next thing you know, I gotta read my parts. 01:01:36
I did. 01:01:46
So. 01:01:48
And the draft text here for me too. 01:01:49
Single household duplex. 01:01:51
Growth score area of the improvements are changing modified for standard by 50%. So fix your own home if you've lived in your 01:01:55
model fit more than 50% of your model for we extend. 01:02:01
Then you. 01:02:10
Right. 01:02:13
But you're gonna see it added 50%. 01:02:14
More you talk about, more it's just. 01:02:16
Changing within the footprint, that could be something that we could do with. 01:02:19
Really. 01:02:23
You're you're. You're you're. You're into the house. Really. 01:02:26
By definition, the building of new construction triggers that language, but if it's really, it's still seeing expansion of what 01:02:30
the property is. 01:02:34
And that's where I was most uncomfortable, where what wasn't in. 01:02:39
If you were expanding your footprint. 01:02:42
By that much, yeah. I think I can see that potentially disruption but. 01:02:45
But if it's just. 01:02:50
If modified, changed. 01:02:52
And not changing the book, man. 01:02:54
That could or something. 01:02:57
My landscaping. Ohh yeah what? 01:02:59
And so is that. 01:03:02
Modifiable about messing up our people. 01:03:04
Yeah, we could. 01:03:12
Do that. That might be much more comfortable. 01:03:14
That need to trigger. 01:03:17
Trigger this. 01:03:19
It's something relatively unrelated. 01:03:21
We could use that. 01:03:27
And. 01:03:30
Would you have to go through another? 01:03:32
You know you're you're moving from, you know, heading to the draft system, alright? 01:03:34
Yeah, I think that'll be good. 01:03:45
Yeah. 01:03:47
Are expanded. 01:03:49
Change. 01:03:52
That's on on item one and two. 01:03:56
Yeah. 01:03:59
Yes. 01:04:05
Can you speak? 01:04:07
You know. 01:04:12
Removal of of lawn treatment. 01:04:16
As much or more appropriately. 01:04:21
Yeah, I go about that with myself for. 01:04:23
We already have 3. 01:04:27
Preservation. 01:04:29
Essentially. 01:04:32
We're starting to see as. 01:04:43
Similar to what? 01:04:46
With the structure. 01:04:49
For. 01:04:51
And the traditional library. 01:04:52
Bonus. 01:04:56
This is no. 01:04:58
Treason. 01:05:02
Vision. 01:05:04
Itself. 01:05:05
In in our. 01:05:08
That's. 01:05:13
So. 01:05:17
That's the view of. 01:05:18
Make sure that. 01:05:23
What happens after that? 01:05:26
Right. 01:05:32
They're problematic. 01:05:40
Touché. 01:05:46
And also to comment. 01:05:53
Is between. 01:06:00
Yes. 01:06:04
I think what what you say is that. 01:06:06
The only concern we have is higher education. 01:06:11
Yeah. 01:06:16
Light up the graphics. 01:06:20
You can't, Yeah, you can't see. 01:06:24
Walking. 01:06:27
So we already have. 01:06:32
Again. 01:06:35
Graph. 01:06:43
Any idea what you said? 01:06:52
You have the. 01:06:58
Infusion of death. 01:07:00
4. 01:07:08
So. 01:07:10
Well. 01:07:12
I don't know what's what, what's what's needed, so everything is. 01:07:14
Let's see here. 01:07:23
Push your side. 01:07:31
Purchased. 01:07:36
Period. 01:07:38
Session. You're dropping the features. 01:07:43
You have three wife. 01:07:52
Holy water. 01:07:56
Conservation program. 01:08:00
They don't use. 01:08:06
This is how the water there's there are three. 01:08:10
Small. 01:08:15
And he turned. 01:08:24
Yeah, relative to the others. 01:08:26
Yeah. 01:08:32
Both retired, yeah. 01:08:39
There's there's no element where. 01:08:52
Your staff needs to chime in or validate or bless the application of these retakes, right? You just have to have. 01:08:55
Cortana. 01:09:03
Place there. 01:09:05
Making them do their thing. 01:09:06
And frankly, the rebate. 01:09:09
And then? 01:09:13
You guys. 01:09:15
Are triggered only on the new construction piece. 01:09:16
Not on, On. 01:09:20
Random. 01:09:22
Let's go ahead and get involved. 01:09:24
So it's just. 01:09:29
You're only your actions, only triggered when you do have these circumstances. 01:09:30
Quiet hours. 01:09:38
Yeah. 01:09:41
Very good. 01:09:47
Moving on then. 01:09:56
Looks. 01:09:58
Alright, we'll get back to you on that. 01:10:00
Did you? Yeah, You're still up I guess or. 01:10:06
Circulation. 01:10:12
Yeah. 01:10:15
So to review and provide information more holistic manner, I'm going to serve preservation campaign what does? 01:10:17
What options are for? 01:10:31
Preservation advisory boards and what other cities are doing. So first question that we've put forth the council based on what 01:10:35
provided. 01:10:41
Search attention is is difficult coming from both the legal side. 01:10:49
Correct, correct. 01:10:55
The question of what? What types of options would you have to research further? 01:11:00
Why would you let me have that back? So essentially what this step was giving you is what's the state store? 01:11:06
Versus. 01:11:15
Our application. 01:11:18
What that does is the state level. 01:11:20
But also. 01:11:23
This guidance avoiding support preservation. 01:11:27
Who they are essentially, I think one of the biggest number for holiday is that you don't have. 01:11:32
You definitely do. It's how address added to that. 01:11:40
Is. 01:11:45
About 2016. 01:11:48
That that process title 2, which is the governing section, Section 1. 01:11:52
In a way. 01:12:01
Presentation. 01:12:09
1. 01:12:12
The ability of creating properties to City Council for adding to the list. 01:12:14
That. 01:12:20
It wouldn't take that, I would say a policy decision. 01:12:23
OK. 01:12:28
And with the tech. 01:12:30
So at the point right now if that property is on. 01:12:37
Currently in athletic. 01:12:43
Request the Commission. 01:12:47
To modify, just. 01:12:50
Even have you saved? 01:12:52
That's generally the property owner, not some third parties that I go over here. 01:13:00
Probably right. 01:13:07
I'm going to apply for that for that scenario, which does include demolition. 01:13:12
All preservation business, state, national level about the property rights to Algeria. 01:13:20
So it's primarily opportunity for them to have experiences within the zone. 01:13:33
Variances of some sort because of historic versus restriction enhanced. 01:13:40
Changing your broccoli or making it not his work. 01:13:46
Right. And that's. 01:13:50
That's the reason why this property is that patients. 01:13:53
Because they're adding additional rights to that property may not be already enjoyed. 01:13:58
Right. 01:14:06
So it's not actually a preservation ordinance per say, it's a. 01:14:09
Special use sort of thing for the guys in historic. 01:14:16
And advertisers orchestration, but it doesn't actually give any to. 01:14:23
Directly. 01:14:28
Preserve or restrict? Not necessarily, but it does allow property owners to obtain some additional economic value, the Navy agency 01:14:28
to keep the party maintained. 01:14:34
Issues properties. 01:14:41
The bottom line is it doesn't protect that property. 01:14:46
OK, good. 01:14:50
Right, mind you if it's. 01:14:51
All this mess. 01:14:54
He gives the property owner an opportunity to capture tax credits if they. 01:14:57
Here they initiate. 01:15:04
Improvement. 01:15:07
That are approved by. 01:15:08
The governing body that issues tax rates. 01:15:10
But it doesn't and that's working my whole point all along. 01:15:14
And in your report here you say. 01:15:18
History. 01:15:20
Saying maybe demolished, reconstructed private property owners can do whatever they want with that. 01:15:22
They just lose their right to get tax credit right and so. 01:15:28
In the brick house. 01:15:34
Have good housing on our list? 01:15:39
They would need to have with condition. 01:15:41
Convert knowledge that says. 01:15:46
Yeah. 01:15:55
Because. 01:16:00
Great. 01:16:02
Very significant loss. 01:16:04
So who decides what property form that was? Who? Who decided those four properties on the list they were? 01:16:13
They did not need the approval of the property owners and the kind that I know. I'm not sure what the process will help. 01:16:24
Put on that. 01:16:33
Initiated by the property owner and council. Wasn't supposed to council. 01:16:38
I don't think that's the way it happened, I think. 01:16:43
I think there was simply a list of. 01:16:46
The story of the Council of China. 01:16:48
We just listed historic properties that we compiled. 01:16:51
We put them on the on the list, but because we weren't. 01:16:55
I don't believe we were burdening. 01:17:00
The property at that time, I don't think we were putting restrictions. 01:17:03
Pretty firm on top, but I don't think we were putting. 01:17:06
It wasn't anything close to him thinking. 01:17:10
We we were not putting restrictions on development or properties, we were simply giving them. 01:17:13
You know A, A. 01:17:19
Application you're getting your designation and perhaps the option to have the benefits. 01:17:22
Right. 01:17:28
My understanding is there were initializations. 01:17:29
I think that the very first they were. 01:17:32
More than likely City initiated. I think the property owners were aware. 01:17:36
But I think they were city initiated. 01:17:41
After those initial determinations, I think there are changes and shifts in the ordinance and I don't think it was just one. I 01:17:44
think we had a couple of different iterations, one of those. 01:17:48
Added. 01:17:53
What I would call. 01:17:54
Loosen the restrictions. 01:17:57
That required. 01:17:59
That condition is for the city before you can demand. 01:18:02
Something on that list, right? 01:18:05
And then the designation process was removed. 01:18:09
And my understanding about that designation process being removed is that we had a couple of council members who were really 01:18:12
uncomfortable with the way that was written. 01:18:16
And there was a suggestion to that original part of the ordinance that the property owner didn't have seat destination, but 01:18:21
somebody else could have requested the city designated property. 01:18:26
They didn't know. 01:18:32
Or control would have authority to find. 01:18:33
That was really uncomfortable for that council at that point. That's why that part came out of the ordinance. 01:18:36
I don't know what the intent was, to revisit or not to revisit. 01:18:42
Right. 01:18:46
That's kind of the way I understand the iterations. 01:18:47
I I do think. 01:18:51
That. 01:18:53
Part of our ordinance right now. 01:18:54
That. 01:18:57
Sort of tacitly requires. 01:18:58
A conditional use permit to demolish or make significant operations to structure. 01:19:02
Is a restriction that is. 01:19:08
Common in these ordinances. 01:19:10
The formatting ours that sort of conditional use permit process type that way. 01:19:13
They speak. 01:19:19
Legally, just a little uneasy. 01:19:21
We haven't applied that in a way that concerns me. 01:19:23
That I've seen that causes they were concerned. 01:19:26
With that structure with a little bit concerned. 01:19:29
Because the way it could be applied potential. 01:19:32
Alright, it seems like we have some. 01:19:37
There's a structure here, but there's no doorway. 01:19:42
And and that's true, there's no because it makes this sort of. 01:19:46
There's no work next move exactly. 01:19:50
You know, what I would say is if somebody came to you right now and that's the designation. 01:19:53
And there's their properties, their structure, their site is historic. 01:19:58
Even without a process in your city code. 01:20:02
If it breaks. 01:20:06
Everything. 01:20:08
So. 01:20:09
To say there's not a way to do it, nobody can. 01:20:10
It would just be a resolution regarding that action. 01:20:14
To declare it now, would it be helpful? If you want to continue on this course, that's your choice for policy standpoint. Would we 01:20:18
suggest something more formal? Sure. 01:20:23
Yeah, but. 01:20:29
Here about what you want to do. 01:20:31
Good job setting. Yeah, sort of. 01:20:35
The scope of what you can do from the policy standpoint. 01:20:38
Even if we were to say where we are right now is fine. 01:20:43
I would be more comfortable if the basic changes to our ordinance that in the land use part of it please. 01:20:48
I'll do that process and then. 01:20:54
Well, I I think the question of. 01:21:04
Direction. 01:21:08
I don't know about that. 01:21:09
About your your land use concerns and how the ocean impact the change structure to the pool there. 01:21:12
Tell you what I would I'd like to take it out of this permit process altogether. That's a square banging around in my opinion, 01:21:18
alright. 01:21:22
And. 01:21:28
I would like. 01:21:30
And I think China would really appreciate some pretty clear direction on. 01:21:32
Do you wanna put? 01:21:37
I guess I would say big. 01:21:40
Fairly conservatively, tide restrictions. 01:21:42
Demolition Department. 01:21:45
Yeah, where do you want to put? 01:21:48
Some. 01:21:50
Additional review restrictions on. 01:21:52
Structural alterations that affect. 01:21:56
Historic portion of the structure exterior. 01:21:59
Interior. 01:22:02
Overall site. 01:22:04
And then? 01:22:06
There is a state code process that that is made a certain area. 01:22:08
As a historic area. 01:22:14
Do you care about having anything in your code about that? I'll just. 01:22:17
To my head and say I think the state code is adequate for that purpose. I don't think you need to worry about doing something 01:22:21
additional performance and then the last thing that. 01:22:27
Has always concerned me. 01:22:33
No matter how well you do, it will always concern you legally. 01:22:36
Is. 01:22:40
Establishment of. 01:22:42
Historic Preservation Authority. 01:22:44
Outside of the City Council are playing. 01:22:47
A whole different. 01:22:51
That will always. 01:22:53
Be a cause for concern. 01:22:55
Hey, as hard as we try. 01:22:59
And as everyone is. 01:23:03
As much respect as we give the private property rights. 01:23:05
What we. 01:23:09
Yeah. 01:23:11
City, committee or body? 01:23:12
That is, you know. 01:23:14
Focus on. 01:23:17
At the ticular element for the duty. 01:23:19
That's beyond the broad planning scope. 01:23:22
We're always looking for people that have a particular expertise in an area. 01:23:26
In which you tend to get. 01:23:31
You know. 01:23:33
There anybody show me a city that hasn't gone through this some point? 01:23:35
What you tend to get are people with particular passion for the subject. 01:23:39
Then you overcook, yes. 01:23:43
Yeah, that. I mean that those are all fair characterizations for my experience, but unfortunately. 01:23:47
And. 01:23:52
Those battles are hard. 01:23:54
They're hard internally at city level. 01:23:57
To try and. 01:23:59
Florida. 01:24:00
Well, folks, back to a real, true administrative role. 01:24:02
As opposed to, you know, they want to make policy. 01:24:06
Yeah. 01:24:09
When they have suggestions because they're professional people, they're passionate. 01:24:10
And you have a different view. That creates a big difficult stage. 01:24:15
So I think those are all things you just need to think about and you start considering the festival city holiday is. 01:24:22
Historic community. 01:24:30
But I think it's smart district really no. And I think it's also appropriate to step back and say. 01:24:34
What's the nature of our history? 01:24:42
And are we trying to preserve? 01:24:44
But you know, that's three area. 01:24:46
You know a neighborhood. 01:24:49
And if not then. 01:24:53
What's the appropriate way? 01:24:54
I don't like, I don't know. 01:24:58
Policymaker. 01:25:00
This is not legal advice, totally council. 01:25:01
Then approach that. 01:25:06
Waves to you. 01:25:09
As policymakers. 01:25:10
Decisions on what happens to historic properties and not in the grand scheme because the stairs go. 01:25:16
Who owns it but? 01:25:23
Are we done with fully demolition for 30 days and allow somebody to go into document structure and then we're just trying to take 01:25:25
it down? 01:25:28
Are you going to get a lot of process where we might consider uses beyond those established in his own? 01:25:33
To. 01:25:39
So he wants to leave his work structure the way it is, and we're doing adaptive reuse, right? 01:25:40
Those things all are great. 01:25:46
And I love seeing them at your level. 01:25:49
I think there's tremendous wisdom in a community like this. 01:25:53
Doing it that way. 01:25:56
That's kind of where your ordinance is pointed. We have a square peg in around on some of our procedures and what we call it and 01:25:58
why we do it. 01:26:02
But in terms of. 01:26:05
Sort of. I guess the place where your ordinance rests and the overall scheme of historic preservation. 01:26:07
I do kind of like where you are. 01:26:14
So. 01:26:19
In terms of process, you think or path forward actually decide. 01:26:21
What their level of excitement about the issue overall? 01:26:28
Right. 01:26:33
And. 01:26:34
You know our. 01:26:37
I know we're going through some of these processes are very similar issues. Where we? 01:26:38
Kind of have. 01:26:42
Yeah, survey questions that kind of help us identify our. 01:26:44
Our policy. 01:26:49
Directions towards vision. We're dealing with something so complex. 01:26:50
It seems like the overall questions we. 01:26:55
And they ask our. 01:26:58
You know. 01:26:59
Should any historic what? What does historic designation look like? What's supposed to do and who gets to decide? It is actually 01:27:01
initiated by property owners There Pepper instance where? 01:27:07
Well that might concern is is when we put that script and we have. 01:27:12
People other than the property owner deciding what's historical enough circle, because that's. 01:27:18
I don't know. And so that that part really thought we did any. 01:27:25
Well, here's what I do. Here's what I do feel strongly about that. 01:27:29
You know. 01:27:33
But there's a. 01:27:35
Parking here then? 01:27:36
Just trying very clearly what the role of this work Commission. 01:27:38
And it's education and it's. 01:27:44
You know. 01:27:46
It's focused on that. I think one of the problems we want to track, we've been trying to resolve this. 01:27:47
They're getting outside of their lane in terms of what they're doing, something outside of the lane and deciding. 01:27:52
What's? What's historical and how should be preserved and he should preserve it. That's not the role of the Historical Commission. 01:27:58
And we need to finish, continue to refocus them on what they're supposed to do. 01:28:05
And then? 01:28:10
This issue of. 01:28:11
Designating. 01:28:14
Pieces of property as being atheistical significance beneath a whole nother. 01:28:16
Whole other issue and I'm very uncomfortable with this because I just think it's a tough. 01:28:22
You know, and I know I talked to Gina down a little bit earlier about it. 01:28:29
Ohh happy to see somebody bringing me. 01:28:32
A. In a city waterside. 01:28:36
Hey. 01:28:39
On whatever you call it, it does this kind of work where it's been really successful. 01:28:40
And what they do and what their shoulders, because I'm an artist. 01:28:45
Wrapping my head around how that even works. 01:28:49
Yes. 01:28:53
Education pieces but if we have a body that wants to go and. 01:28:56
Document. 01:28:59
Pieces of. 01:29:00
Property inside the city that they. 01:29:01
In the same historically significant. 01:29:04
As an education tool for property owners and. 01:29:08
Helping them. 01:29:11
Designate that if they want to designate that, no problem with that. Maybe they should be more democratic as you. 01:29:12
Ohh yeah I mean and have the property owner, right? But they have. 01:29:20
To designate that body outside of the historical Commission has now going out and trying to. 01:29:24
Through ordinance and comfort somebody. 01:29:31
Private property. 01:29:34
To me, basically. Really. 01:29:35
Ohh. 01:29:37
In covering or. 01:29:42
Doing their thing sort of situation or yeah. 01:29:44
But I think that. 01:29:49
Is if the property owner wants to. 01:29:52
Apply for some historic designation. 01:29:56
In order to. 01:29:58
You know, have historic uses. 01:30:00
And plumbers their own property that may require some. 01:30:03
Variance or to the rights that are that are already? 01:30:07
In there. 01:30:10
There's no destination, but there's a process to do that. But that's property owner initiative. 01:30:11
And even if we don't create that doorway just by resolution, they they bring it to 1 route one of us and then we work with Todd to 01:30:19
to then inform the resolution. 01:30:24
You know, right that there's a process. We have the ability for citizens, property owners. 01:30:30
To do that, I agree. I certainly don't want to have. 01:30:35
Some third party. 01:30:38
And, you know, zealous. 01:30:40
Trying to work. 01:30:43
You know, trying to intimidate some property owner to change their. 01:30:46
You know, frankly some of these, some of the folks who have. 01:30:52
Wanted to press for. 01:30:56
Don't bought that property in return on their property. 01:30:59
And also themselves that arguments are only in their own time leader. 01:31:02
Another good example is the Britain House, which has created a lot of this emotional. 01:31:07
You know, discussion within the city. 01:31:13
You know well, if we feel so strongly about it when we buy the house. 01:31:16
Right. And preserve it. And people had zero. 01:31:21
Because. 01:31:25
We know what to do with it and we've got to maintain it. 01:31:27
Has the homes that here and it's on this list, right? And it's just it's. 01:31:29
So you know, it's a hard issue, though I'm not excited about that into. 01:31:35
Into trying to put one this is in place that. 01:31:40
Have. 01:31:45
That third party is not, not even elected officials, but. 01:31:47
Party appointed by elected officials that then go. 01:31:51
And and and arbitrarily. 01:31:54
Somebody probably I'm just. 01:31:58
Yeah, you know that, Although I think it was not excited about this to have. 01:32:00
In the ordinance pathway for a property owner. 01:32:05
To request. 01:32:09
In your property on the list. 01:32:11
Because obviously, like like we pointed out, somebody could do it by. 01:32:13
You know. 01:32:18
Through the council or whatever. 01:32:19
That they may not know what that is the root. 01:32:21
And if if that process is spelled out in our ordinance. 01:32:25
And is narrow enough that we feel comfortable about it. I think it would be useful to have that just tell people who want to do it 01:32:30
and know that it's a possibility. 01:32:35
You know, I think that that process allows a certain permission to. 01:32:40
Educated partners interested in prisons that designation. 01:32:45
And then zero. By the way, here's the process. 01:32:49
System through the project process itself. 01:32:53
Because they have such despise. 01:32:56
Providing. 01:33:00
More comprehensive education in terms of properties inside the holiday city limits that they. 01:33:01
In the state historically, you know. 01:33:07
Property owner. 01:33:12
You know after that what they do. 01:33:13
But let me let me share a couple thoughts. 01:33:15
By the way, free report, this is, this is, this is a great piece for us to have in our records. 01:33:19
And really great discussion and clear war. 01:33:25
The council doesn't have an appetite to. 01:33:32
Jump into a really grow up preservation ordinance, But. 01:33:36
I've just just a couple of comments about the. 01:33:40
About the report and then about this whole issue. 01:33:43
First of all, we are really, really different from Salt Lake City Park City, which has. 01:33:46
Great distinct. 01:33:51
This area is. 01:33:53
Districts that are great candidates from overlay zone, we don't have that, we have. 01:33:54
We have some historic. 01:33:58
Homes here and there, we don't have any St. roots for Palms. 01:34:00
We might have a 18. 01:34:03
50 home next to the. 01:34:06
You know, 1960s financially. 01:34:07
And so it's it's very different, it's difficult to compare ourselves to those. We have a couple of hybrid other cities that. 01:34:11
You start thinking hybrid sort of like ours is a little different. 01:34:18
I think my biggest take away from the report spent a light bulb on my head is that in Salt Lake City, Park City and Grafton in in 01:34:21
the other. 01:34:25
Cities of Doom have a little more robust preservation ordinance that we have. 01:34:30
They have an historic preservation. 01:34:34
Body review board that is distinct. 01:34:37
From Historical Commission. 01:34:40
And and to me that's really key because. 01:34:42
I think I disagree. I I would disagree that that that our historical Commission has gotten outside its lane. I think they have. 01:34:45
They have run in their lane. We have some brief things happening. 01:34:52
With a lot of help from GN from especially Holly. 01:34:56
And you know there's there's a great direction right now in historical Commission in engagement and education and would be museum 01:34:59
piece. 01:35:04
Walk pieces coming and the grant money we've gotten. 01:35:08
So but I think it's I think it would be clear that. 01:35:11
To Historical Commission, it ought to be clear, and by the way, I shared this report with the Historical Commission today. They 01:35:15
had to read at night person to read it. 01:35:18
It particularly so that they. 01:35:23
That they they appreciate that even if we did go with a. 01:35:25
Robust preservation ordinance. 01:35:29
They would not be. 01:35:32
The historic preservation. 01:35:34
Body. 01:35:37
It would be we we would have to have a separate body that was. 01:35:38
I'm not saying we should, but if we did go with that way, we wouldn't want to have a body that is as careful. 01:35:43
And as meticulous as our Planning Commission and applying. 01:35:49
The standards so that we don't get into legal trouble because if we have our if we put an ordinance in place, by golly, if we. 01:35:53
Didn't follow it? Really. We're gonna buy a lawsuit. 01:36:00
And so I think my biggest concerns about having a really robust issue, first of all legal and constitutional issues. 01:36:03
I don't wanna see it anywhere close through taking. 01:36:10
Of property. 01:36:13
And and I'm also concerned about related. 01:36:15
Issues. 01:36:18
Of insurance coverage. 01:36:19
Would we be killed by the government? 01:36:22
The local government trust if we. 01:36:25
Put it bonus inflation in our. 01:36:27
Review Board messed up. 01:36:30
We're going to have to bear the cost ourselves. We're going to have, you know, this big constitutional law lawsuit. I'm really 01:36:32
concerned about that. 01:36:36
I was also, I've had a little bit of sticker shock reading the report of if we did go robust in the way that Salt Lake City, Park 01:36:40
City are. 01:36:44
We would probably be looking at $110,000 annual FTE cost. 01:36:48
For planning. 01:36:54
Personnel who were expert in these in historical planning. 01:36:57
And and but right now anyway, I can't see that we're we're saving our pennies because we don't know what's gonna happen with PD. I 01:37:01
just can't see spending $110,000 a year. 01:37:07
To protect 11 homes or Tech 12 homes. 01:37:13
10 grand a year for each home. 01:37:16
I'm I'm also really opposed to ordinances which would burden private property and. 01:37:20
So, so I really, I really like what the talks of though that we should clean up. We do have some anomalies in our. 01:37:25
Ordinance and maybe even the general plan that we are cleaning out, make sure they're internally consistent. 01:37:33
So I I would, I would think that would be at a minimum something we ought to. 01:37:39
We ought to do. 01:37:43
I would also support time restrictions if that's if if it's. 01:37:45
He's a bullfighter. Restrictions on demolition or. 01:37:49
Conditional use permits so we can document history. I think that would be. 01:37:52
A great thing and. 01:37:56
And I would definitely support that. 01:37:58
Having a stronger ordinance where where owners themselves could claim. 01:38:01
Some kind of a privileged development incentives or density policies. 01:38:06
You know, relief from off street parking requirements, that kind of thing. 01:38:11
And as Bruce said, you know to to provide for owners of Halfway. 01:38:15
To designate your own homes as short. 01:38:20
Structures. 01:38:23
But not have it imposed from either by the City Council or by some. 01:38:25
Independent, semi independent body that we appoint. 01:38:31
So anyway, that's the way I look at it and I I but I I don't I don't think I'm on board to. 01:38:35
Go full bore, Salt Lake City. 01:38:40
Park City. 01:38:43
Preservation ordinance. I just don't think it's the city our size and. 01:38:44
Where we are and with the the costs and the legal issues, I'm just very uncomfortable about. 01:38:49
Got anything close to a constitutional taking of property? 01:38:55
But, but I definitely think we should clean up the ordinance and we should maybe even see if we could put some things in that 01:38:59
would. 01:39:02
Held all to give a pathway to honors. 01:39:05
And maybe even have a a pause on demolition while, you know, history document and that kind of thing. That's what I would support. 01:39:09
Alright. 01:39:21
I agree. 01:39:21
Yes. 01:39:23
That's my comment. 01:39:24
During your time, John's in your role, have you had any instances where people come to you? 01:39:26
You know, wanting to make a change. 01:39:32
Yeah. 01:39:34
Were designated with this order. 01:39:35
That they couldn't couldn't because of the messages that were designed. 01:39:37
Where they could, I guess. 01:39:42
There. 01:39:46
Nice to see that providing our, our, our residents. 01:39:47
You had the time when prior to the ability of the successive. 01:39:54
Now the most properties are allowed to have those accessory apartments on the property that would have been ability to have that 01:40:00
extra income cash flow. 01:40:04
Yes, probably another thing. 01:40:11
There is a long list of additional land uses that are allowed for property pursuit. 01:40:17
Are useful people always encouraged property conceptually? Specifically the? 01:40:24
Tonight, the big victory at home this morning. 01:40:31
That the location is right there inside. 01:40:35
And when that property changed hands, they wanted to go through a significant remodel. 01:40:39
Certain persons that may pursue some of these other ideas so they can keep that property. 01:40:44
Whatever being is small. 01:40:50
Shop right next to it. 01:40:53
Very. 01:40:57
Social use. 01:40:59
That's. 01:41:01
Active community that allows. 01:41:02
Grace. 01:41:06
7. 01:41:06
Sense of place for that location. 01:41:08
Yeah, see that? 01:41:11
Really. 01:41:14
We have 11 cases where we had that discussion that. 01:41:17
That's the point where they actually need to apply for anything. 01:41:20
Everyone downstairs. I might have someone pursuing historic designation. 01:41:24
Otherwise it's running all property. 01:41:30
That's right. 01:41:32
Something. 01:41:36
You got just quick clarification too. 01:41:38
Outside the wrong choice of words. 01:41:40
It was just I. 01:41:44
You know, there's these five. 01:41:46
Points in the document that. 01:41:48
That dictate what the role of the Storable Commission is. 01:41:51
With that, I totally agree with. 01:41:55
It just seemed to me like with the Britain thing. 01:41:56
It goes outside of what that function is. 01:42:00
Everyone has different discussion amongst the council. I'd like to see everybody focused just on that. 01:42:04
A lot of great progress in the Commission of doing a lot of great stuff with this year and I don't want that Britain thing came up 01:42:11
I had. 01:42:15
And numerous discussions over repeated being and focusing on these five things, I think. 01:42:20
I think there were individual Commissioners who were in their personal activity. 01:42:26
Group, passionate about it, which is great, yeah. But I kept emphasizing to them, you cannot take a position. 01:42:31
On a land use development, you are you are officers of the city. 01:42:39
And this is outside your your purview. 01:42:44
To take any kind of official position. So do not. This probably shouldn't be discussed in your. 01:42:48
Your Commission meetings and. 01:42:53
Shouldn't take any kind of action or resolution or anything like that. 01:42:54
And I think they all guys. 01:42:58
Yeah, I also reinforced, you know, that they didn't need to get up there. 01:43:00
Right. 01:43:03
Correct. 01:43:05
As far as citizens and all of that's true but but it was not something that purview of their exactly so so yeah, so. 01:43:07
You have one more that was considering resigning. 01:43:14
So he couldn't short make those comments. Yeah, I told you. I told him the same thing. 01:43:17
And just, you know, you you, you're doing a fantastic job with everything on the education and engagement piece. 01:43:23
But yeah, it is. It is. 01:43:30
Something that we need to be very careful about, as she talked about in the Said that you don't want. 01:43:32
We don't want to have one of our boards or commissions freelancing in. 01:43:38
There is nor do we want Pregnancy Council in areas outside our group so. 01:43:44
Yeah. 01:43:49
Well, thank you. This has been I think a good discussion for us and I think we have some ideas on what to bring to you next. 01:43:51
In terms of timing that? 01:43:59
We've got that right? 01:44:03
And lower priority. 01:44:07
You got way more higher priority, but then you can do things. 01:44:09
This building thing. 01:44:13
Landscape. 01:44:15
Yeah. 01:44:16
Community our family come up to. 01:44:18
Yeah, this is. 01:44:21
It's just. 01:44:22
Character. 01:44:27
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not feeling the burn for next year. 01:44:33
Rapid. Thank you. Thanks. 01:44:36
Alright, moving on then, the third experience I think you have. 01:44:40
New line. 01:44:45
So when we've got some money for. 01:44:49
Yeah, I just wanna. 01:44:52
Cheese. 01:44:55
Contact. 01:44:59
And umm. 01:45:00
Give feedback on the document. 01:45:01
But doesn't remember we were able to secure $600,000 grant from College County for our historical credit experiences which is 01:45:04
fantastic. 01:45:09
And we're working with our consultant, Kathy Associates to secure information for that project as well. 01:45:13
But we are ready to reset our SP. 01:45:20
And there is a remote that goes beyond the track, including your package. But there's an expression that we wanted to provide as 01:45:22
part of that document to help communicate the vision. 01:45:28
And if. 01:45:35
Council Member David and Mayor Gina as well as. 01:45:36
And historical criticism, but the. 01:45:40
This list was based on that vetting process that we had a few months ago, so. 01:45:43
And. 01:45:48
What we're trying to do is just help communicate a different level with the vision of the project is this type of documents coming 01:45:49
in exhibit. 01:45:54
It's just another way to help. 01:45:59
And then what we're looking for. So what I wanted to do is just have a chance to get some feedback on that document. 01:46:01
If you all have other points of vision, we should activate. 01:46:09
If you don't like the working, if you don't like one of the points. 01:46:13
You can make edits and several questions. Also reviewed this document. 01:46:18
I also included. 01:46:22
Our Catherine solid are equal values and messages from our communication span. 01:46:24
So I'm going to read the list for this one if you have any comments you want to share with me, a happy day to take those or if you 01:46:30
have any questions to about. 01:46:34
That are P process from this document. Happy to answer those as well. 01:46:40
Sorry. 01:46:47
On the we, we've got the grant and you're doing this top of fundraising for additional. 01:46:50
What the presumption there in terms of? 01:46:57
Expand and and what? 01:47:00
We're back in the city, gonna have to kick in. 01:47:03
In addition to the grant not plus donations, yeah, it's a great question. So Internet application we have committed and we talked 01:47:07
about this with the City Council and $96,000 commitment from the general fund. 01:47:13
And then there's about four or $5000 in circulation is going from grace from bookshelves. 01:47:20
And then we were hoping everything about $150,000 at least termination. We do have a higher donation target just because. 01:47:25
And. 01:47:34
Extended our options we were looking at during the study would require that more money to get to the material. 01:47:35
And outputs that we typically have like rejection and stuff like that so. 01:47:41
To answer your questions and then $6000. 01:47:47
Can you talk about how we structure the are being so? 01:47:53
Yeah. 01:47:57
So the RFP structure, so in the studio with three elements that we identified as credit as included experience, we have historic 01:48:00
walk in the park. 01:48:04
We have displays here in City Hall, we have in our Community Center. So the way it's written that RFP is we have some flexibility 01:48:09
in how we. 01:48:13
Like that. 01:48:19
So anytime you wanna start with the study and the research. 01:48:20
Thinking about the story that we're gonna tell. But from there we can really face the project. So if we find we only have. 01:48:25
$850,000 to spend. We can scale the project to that number if we are able to raise more money than we could. 01:48:31
Implement another element of the project that we would have these plan so as we get money that they did and the RFP is written so 01:48:40
that we're just starting with that piece and now from the grant application. 01:48:47
Protections. 01:48:55
Right. 01:49:00
All right. Any other input from the Historical Commission? No problem. 01:49:03
Based on our discussion we had earlier and they didn't have any as it did anyone else have anything that we missed? 01:49:09
And then one last question. Is anyone interested in serving on our RFP selection committee? 01:49:18
Anyone on that and it's included in the packet? Yeah, one quick update, we are issuing the RFP now on Monday on the 21st instead 01:49:27
of this Friday. 01:49:31
And and then from there we're going to have a pre proposal meeting on the 30th of August which is just a chance for us to meet 01:49:36
with potential. 01:49:40
Firms that are interested in the project. 01:49:44
Then we'll have the final data questions, the deadline for the proposal and the September 18th. 01:49:47
The committee review would be the 18th to the 20th, 2nd of September. 01:49:52
And then we interviewed that back because September and then come back with a recommendation and hopefully get a contract signed. 01:49:57
Not. 01:50:05
Sandy. 01:50:07
Yeah, on the on the switch. 01:50:09
I'll be happy. 01:50:12
Yeah, yeah. 01:50:15
The only one on the Commission, 30 on it. 01:50:18
At this point, that's the point, yeah. 01:50:21
But we'll have other members definitely engaged in other projects. 01:50:26
Any. 01:50:31
Any kind of movie. However, they have only less people involved. 01:50:32
OK. 01:50:37
Thank you so much. So when you get that update. 01:50:38
Do you have any questions for you chapter? 01:50:41
Next time I'll follow you the easy work on this. 01:50:46
Jersey. 01:50:53
He could be back. OK, let's skip ahead then. 01:50:55
So I just wanted to give the couple a brief update on the progress with Granite School District and Spring Lane and and talk about 01:51:00
any. 01:51:04
Feedback you might have before we send them a letter that they asked for. 01:51:10
So it's, you know, springly closed in the spring. 01:51:16
8. 01:51:22
Hopefully for site in this search. 01:51:23
We had the council was initially hopeful that the school district would be first selling the property. 01:51:27
To us as as then we would have the first option purchase. 01:51:35
School districts indicated that that table not be selling the property but are open to all. 01:51:41
A long fish turned east. 01:51:48
Um. 01:51:51
I think it's not as long as I hoped. The kind of term that they are envisioning at this point is running at 25 years. 01:51:53
And so I wanted to ask you all if that is a long enough time period. 01:52:04
Or if we should, in our letter of intent, ask for a longer time period. 01:52:12
Just given or how that term might affect be in that time where you're going? 01:52:20
In that. 01:52:25
Here are some of my thoughts about. 01:52:28
I'm not concerned necessarily about the length of the reason we put 2025 years. I think it goes that far. 01:52:32
Could go much further. 01:52:39
But rather. 01:52:41
Yes, they are. 01:52:43
I would be shocked if they really wanted the property back. 01:52:45
For rebuilding the school because it's still working at his best. 01:52:50
We gentrify victorious. That's the right term. 01:52:56
COMMENTARY Lady Edward There's never been a need to. 01:53:00
And bring those back into the fold. 01:53:04
Right. I think it's gonna be a long time before they suddenly find the need to. 01:53:06
Rebuild some of there. The protections I think we should have though, would be. 01:53:10
Uh. 01:53:15
Yesterday off. 01:53:16
That they ought to rebuild a school there, OK? 01:53:19
I think that's a risk. 01:53:23
Happy, willing to take. 01:53:25
But if they were land banking? 01:53:27
And then they opted to sell, say, in 10 years. 01:53:30
That. 01:53:34
That's where we ask for super deductions for our investment. 01:53:35
Sorry about Arizona. 01:53:39
I mean. 01:53:41
So he. 01:53:42
So. 01:53:43
They still have to go through rezoning. 01:53:44
But. 01:53:49
I mean so they couldn't solve the developer. 01:53:50
Without, without but. 01:53:53
And I think in that situation, the protection of the statute doesn't change. We would still be protected by the state statute that 01:53:56
would need to be offered to us. 01:54:00
Right. But even then, we didn't. We couldn't afford them. 01:54:06
Because that's going to be very expensive. We already covered your item. 01:54:11
We skipped over here, but we'll come back. 01:54:19
Yeah, I mean, but still let us say for instance, we invested you know, three million, 5,000,000 bucks. 01:54:24
In part and energies here. 01:54:30
But the land is, you know, right now it's 1,000,000 bucks an acre. 01:54:32
You know and. 01:54:36
That's a change. 01:54:38
And we we couldn't. 01:54:42
Bring ourselves to buy it must be bought and then subdivided it and sold out. 01:54:43
You know. 01:54:47
Some of the acres, paper rust, that sort of thing but but but what I'd be worried about is, is that they're just land banking and 01:54:48
they and at any time. 01:54:53
Break the lease. 01:54:58
And leave us hanging behind Rock. 01:54:59
Without some sort of compensation. 01:55:02
If they shortcut now, if they need to land back to build a school, hit us as an public interest. 01:55:05
In that scenario. 01:55:13
Which is probably more likely. 01:55:15
Or if they have to come. 01:55:18
Put. 01:55:20
Target. 01:55:22
Appears you know, forcing the property. 01:55:23
Something happens when there's an earthquake or whatever. 01:55:26
That we have some protections in terms of. 01:55:30
The investment we made, that's. 01:55:32
Say. 01:55:35
Another place. 01:55:36
Cost or something like, well, if you come back in. 01:55:37
We got a 25 year relation. You come back in 10 years and say we have to take it back. 01:55:41
That we can recapture what we've invested? Yeah, for whatever reason. 01:55:45
Yeah, it's probably less than, yeah, of taking this actor. 01:55:49
For rebuilding school, yeah, we need to be. We need to have some assurance that we're afraid to go put. 01:55:53
$4 million into improving that to whatever the citizens. 01:56:01
Input is. 01:56:05
And they're obviously you have some sort of clause inside that lease that says. 01:56:07
Here are the circumstances where we're going to terminate this lease when we take the property back. 01:56:13
That we can recapture. 01:56:17
Our investment in the property. 01:56:19
Yeah. 01:56:22
Well, I couldn't appreciate, but we need to capture what we've invested 25 years seems short, I mean, Mike. 01:56:25
My experience is on the board of directors of the nonprofit. 01:56:32
We did a 40 year ground lease. 01:56:36
The part number solid city and then we we put. 01:56:39
Maybe half $1,000,000 that you. 01:56:42
A structure that's refugee structure. 01:56:44
We, we operate, yeah. 01:56:48
We we needed that amount because that's, I don't know, amortization is the right work is a nonprofit thing. But. 01:56:50
The life cycle of buildings in the public sector of improvements to your more than 25 years old, say 40 years probably. 01:56:56
A better use term. 01:57:03
Yeah, I'm not sure they're gonna care because. 01:57:07
They're going to have provisions inside the lease. 01:57:10
Where I thought not break but. 01:57:13
They're going to have triggers in there that say, yeah, we'll give you the lead, but. 01:57:17
In these certain under these circumstances. 01:57:21
We can take the property back or we can take a portion of that. They're not gonna do anything. Doesn't allow me to do that, 01:57:24
alright. 01:57:28
Anyway, and to be clear, we're not at the least student staff. I mean, kind of the way I'm seeing this happen and what we've 01:57:32
talked about with the school district is we would initiate this letter of intent. 01:57:37
And that would signal to our residents as the school district that we're gonna study this, we're gonna work on a conceptual plan. 01:57:43
I realized that I didn't include it in a sacred part of the cost of that and that will work, which we think will probably be in 01:57:51
the 50 to $75,000 range. 01:57:55
Will do a site survey and some predesigned work at the site. Will have. 01:58:01
Public engagement and stakeholder meetings. That's similar to the process that we use for Can You Send? 01:58:08
We'll finalize the design and. 01:58:14
Figure out how we're gonna pay for this. 01:58:17
And can't accomplish the soonest. I think one of the accomplishments for them is that they know we're serious about looking at 01:58:20
this property so. 01:58:26
Because that makes what sort of decision for them? 01:58:33
Whether it's offensive, often wanna grow weeds or. 01:58:36
Or what difference sprinklers off or? 01:58:39
What's the decision makers for them, you think? 01:58:42
Baptist 110. 01:58:45
Does for them. 01:58:47
It's better than just providing with some well piece of information and I think it was a piece of information. They've also said 01:58:48
they've committed to kind of maintaining the status quo while we go through this process. So I think that's the. 01:58:54
Watering and mowing and keeping the building in place just in case we want to use a portion of it or we want to use a portion of 01:59:03
it for because it's possible. 01:59:08
That. 01:59:13
Maybe the public will say, hey, we really want those in New York. Hope all works. 01:59:14
Even if we decide, we verify to do that. 01:59:20
They do have restrictions in place, so we might want to use a portion of of the building for that. 01:59:24
Uh. 01:59:31
I think for them it's just the idea that. 01:59:32
There's a reason for them to keep doing what they're doing, including leasing this space to Camp Soccer. 01:59:35
Teams. 01:59:44
While we figure out how we want to utilize this space. 01:59:45
Also, we need to verify the access and right now it's in heaven I can guess. 01:59:49
That's big. I mean it is hit. 01:59:54
The church might not want to have the public. 01:59:57
I mean, right now it's at school, it's basically used. 02:00:01
You know, during the week, but they might not want Brady people there on Sunday. They can't there. 02:00:05
Parking lots. 02:00:12
The school district here it is a an agreement. 02:00:15
And it's just kind of like. 02:00:19
That's correct. 02:00:24
These I don't know, you know, using some recorded. 02:00:27
For the next year. 02:00:30
So I agree with you. 02:00:32
Well. 02:00:36
So if you know what I mean, just interpret it now like always trying to do. 02:00:37
Having some agreement point, however interested. 02:00:42
And we want to proceed but but it gives us the points to start doing the actual lease right that can start to wake up. 02:00:46
Well, are there specific things you like from us right now that would be helpful in terms of constructing an outline? 02:00:53
And I'm hearing it that the term I'm hearing people ask for 40. 02:01:01
You know. 02:01:06
I would say no. You know that's me. You must be that I can see. 02:01:08
But it gives them time to respond to. 02:01:12
And then some just conceptual, OK with the cost of. 02:01:17
Don't work that we need to think once we execute in our life. So I probably would end up bringing you a budget amendment. 02:01:25
But would need to vision or pretty quickly to be able to meet those two year timeline that's just the detail for the say you're OK 02:01:33
with that because that's gonna cost you deserve that that's not part of the LY so. 02:01:40
Yeah. 02:01:48
That's basically. 02:01:50
Grants for and things like that. Just keep grants for or. To take two, we did a design build on. 02:01:53
Commute sentence. That's the kind of level of detail that we're anticipating. There's something the public is. 02:02:03
Watch for that, right? 02:02:10
And the alternatives are all kind of bad, right? We have maybe. 02:02:14
Alternatives to doing Congress Route? 02:02:18
Is that what we're seeing is that? 02:02:21
If we don't take control of the. 02:02:24
Grounds that just becomes a monster. 02:02:27
Habitat. 02:02:30
Yeah. 02:02:33
Yeah, having a 1020 year goose patches. 02:02:39
Thanks. 02:02:44
Positive. 02:02:47
The school district could look for someone else to lease. 02:02:49
If we weren't interested and what that would look like, something that would be appropriate for the piece on. 02:02:52
I think they're just waiting for us to get. 02:02:59
Something in here so? 02:03:02
Yeah, we want to do it. Here's some detail point would like to consider and get a conversation going to see if we can work 02:03:05
ourselves into a lease, right and assuming you need to point out. 02:03:09
No. 02:03:16
Yeah. 02:03:20
Way too long. 02:03:21
So the council is comfortable with that. We'll work on that LOI and hope to have that finalized and then next month or so and 02:03:26
then. 02:03:30
Having that you know proper time frame that has a better number and your vision or. 02:03:36
Engagement process. 02:03:44
Thank you. 02:03:48
Alright. 02:03:53
Actually, I can hear. 02:03:54
OK, so. 02:04:02
OK, my best to explain the scenario here. 02:04:07
There is. 02:04:12
The portion of the upper canal. 02:04:16
That. 02:04:19
City. 02:04:19
Agreed. 02:04:21
To you. 02:04:22
Take ownership of. 02:04:24
Is a part of an agreement. 02:04:27
With the upper panel. 02:04:30
The legal description of the canals limits stands N into Mill Creek. 02:04:32
And and at the. 02:04:40
Alright, great. No great. 02:04:42
And that portion of that fish runs along 20 with east. 02:04:45
And it's the portion that we refer to as. 02:04:51
The Rockfish it's. 02:04:55
Trapezoidal channel without flagstone rock. 02:04:57
It. 02:05:03
The horses in front of several people's properties. There are multiple driveway bridges across. 02:05:05
This rock ditch. 02:05:12
Rockledge is in that. That's a full resolution, so go. 02:05:15
But it's in very poor condition. 02:05:23
We have had weeks of this portion of the ditch that have impacted the church property. 02:05:26
The structs we. 02:05:33
Spent money. 02:05:35
Repairing on 20th and 39th. 02:05:37
It's. 02:05:40
Not 39, but further north like around. 02:05:41
For example or something I will check. 02:05:45
That's. 02:05:52
You see? 02:05:55
So let me let me. 02:05:58
Iterate. 02:06:02
We agreed to. 02:06:03
Except ownership of the upper canal. 02:06:05
From the limits of Mill Creek. 02:06:09
Cheap big cabinetry. 02:06:12
So we. 02:06:14
Have ownership of this *****. 02:06:16
For the transportation of our stormwater to. 02:06:19
Which is like. 02:06:23
Only. 02:06:26
This fortune is really just. 02:06:27
There's there's a stormwater facility. 02:06:30
In addition to this victory. 02:06:33
There. 02:06:37
Is. 02:06:38
In divergent structure that. 02:06:40
Wild Girls and singer. 02:06:43
And when? 02:06:45
There is a higher. 02:06:47
But you can't solve that. 02:06:49
We. 02:06:51
Close the gate for the bits, portion and divert. 02:06:52
This stormwater into a storm drain system. 02:06:56
And that also discharges in Mill Creek as well. That runs down metal. 02:07:01
Saline. 02:07:07
You're blowing your mind. 02:07:09
No. 02:07:14
It's not just restore. Wasn't irrigation OK? 02:07:16
So this portion marking is it irrigation dish with some storm water before we click close. 02:07:20
Conversion point. 02:07:27
But. 02:07:30
Certainly speaking. 02:07:31
The ditch is what was transferred to the city. 02:07:33
The storm drain. 02:07:37
To attract with the military. 02:07:39
Track. 02:07:43
Umm. 02:07:45
So we don't own the storm drain once the storm water gets converted. 02:07:48
That was not part of that transfer agreement. 02:07:54
With. 02:07:57
Between the city and Africa. 02:07:59
From my understanding. 02:08:02
So. 02:08:03
So we had to take the bath to get the goods that look, it kind of comes down to. 02:08:05
I know. 02:08:11
There wasn't any. 02:08:15
Everyone that irrigation function to this. 02:08:18
Yes. 02:08:21
We could just keep the gate closed and the Virgin store vendor in a week for the pitch, but. 02:08:22
We have to keep it open for purification. 02:08:28
Yes. And that was part of the agreement, OK, Is that we allow? 02:08:31
The use of interrogation. 02:08:37
Otherwise I would have never agreed to. 02:08:39
Agreement. 02:08:42
And they were. 02:08:44
What happened? 02:08:50
We would have been with them over. 02:08:52
Use of their facility. 02:08:56
Ask for water. 02:08:59
Very hard. 02:09:02
They they had some squads that were result of stormwater and. 02:09:04
They said the significant amount of money. 02:09:10
Sending those freezing internals, Gene doesn't initially off. 02:09:14
More than idea, I've just heard a little bit from now. 02:09:19
Uh but. 02:09:23
I think in the resolution to several lawsuits. 02:09:25
Very good. 02:09:29
Take over that worship structure. 02:09:32
He was also awarded pragmatic solution on the part of the city because we didn't have a storm water system in there or that you 02:09:35
were really using upper count for stormwater system and rather than it would be cheaper solution than constructing them. 02:09:44
15. 02:09:54
Microsoft. 02:09:56
I think that there was a big mistake in this. 02:09:59
It should have been limited to 39. 02:10:02
Or. 02:10:05
At the very most singer and. 02:10:06
Ohh wow those. 02:10:09
For some reason it was extended. 02:10:10
OK, so how? 02:10:13
How long is? 02:10:15
Especially on from 3900, S of the holding were too low creeks and stuff. 02:10:16
Uh, well, this is our discussions about 1300 feet. In addition to that there is an open. 02:10:22
Of my channel, but I think it's probably another. 02:10:27
She out of herself. It's not that long. 02:10:31
This is 1/2 mile. 02:10:36
35 S So this is, you know, four blocks. 02:10:39
So we have this ditch. 02:10:44
It goes from all these boundary to Northridge. When you say number, he means something in the military, yes, correct. We have the 02:10:46
responsibility to maintain. 02:10:50
That's what it was. 02:10:55
So what I want to do? 02:10:57
Yes. 02:10:59
Right. 02:11:01
So. 02:11:01
Umm. 02:11:03
When we reviewing our 10 year capital plan. 02:11:05
With the. 02:11:08
Advisory Committee we. 02:11:11
Came up with the budget capital improvement projects and one of those projects was to send. 02:11:15
But. 02:11:22
Absolutely $50,000 on this blockage. 02:11:23
So maintenance. 02:11:27
And. 02:11:29
It was, kind of. 02:11:31
Yeah, it was put into that side. 02:11:33
Subsequent to that, we went to. 02:11:36
Well, Mill Creek came to us. 02:11:43
Is that we want to put a tagline. 02:11:45
Over the top of the stitch. 02:11:47
Very important to our council and we're gonna be doing a project we want to bury. 02:11:50
They're nation gifts. 02:11:56
That one. 02:11:59
Yeah, we approve. 02:12:00
So. 02:12:02
They are spending a considerable amount of money on their projects because of the way they're getting buried in order to improve 02:12:05
it with her pattern. 02:12:10
A sidewalk. 02:12:16
$40 million building, that's right. 02:12:19
Yeah. 02:12:23
One or 250. 02:12:25
Right, so. 02:12:27
Three years ago I mentioned to you. 02:12:29
To the. 02:12:33
Speaking engineers, right? 02:12:35
You know we. 02:12:37
We do have ownership of this and. 02:12:39
You have a little bit of maintenance money. 02:12:42
Set aside for this garage. 02:12:44
And. 02:12:48
How's that? 02:12:49
So. 02:12:51
We. 02:12:54
Are being asked to see if you could contribute that money. 02:12:56
Towards their project. 02:13:00
Their their overall cost on this strong racism alone as well over. 02:13:02
You know. 02:13:09
I I don't know exactly what, it's probably between 1.5 and $2,000,000. 02:13:09
Ours. 02:13:14
Portion would be. 02:13:16
Small percentage of the overall project cost. 02:13:18
When would you be spending this money? Realistically, about this time anyways? 02:13:22
Because the Rockets is in very poor condition and there are several driveways up along the stockage. 02:13:27
That are at risk of. 02:13:35
Collapsing around the ditch so you wouldn't have to. This is like this is gonna happen. 02:13:36
Yes. We did not put it into our bonding project because we didn't know the Mill Creek was gonna be putting in the speciality. 02:13:42
And at that point we had no commitment or. 02:13:52
Agreement. We still don't. 02:13:55
To. 02:13:58
Ensure you find yourself. 02:13:59
They have come to us more as a courtesy, in my opinion. 02:14:01
For this morning. 02:14:06
And I said, look, I will bring to our City Council and ask them what their opinion of design is, direction from them. 02:14:09
I'm someone that piece of this for this guy. 02:14:20
Run this fight. So I mean this is. 02:14:25
The the downstream of South the north mean this is water coming out of Big Copper Creek. 02:14:29
Correct. 02:14:34
And it's running in the Mill Creek and so. 02:14:34
We don't really care. 02:14:38
One thing that these holidays boundaries. 02:14:40
It's no skin off Arnold if if it's maintained or not. We we the water is not. I'm just wondering can we sell it to them? 02:14:42
Can we give him the 2:50 and say, hey, you take ownership? 02:14:51
So and then you maintain it from this point on, I think. 02:14:53
Well, I've had discussions, We've tried to. 02:14:57
Say, look. 02:15:01
As a condition of the 250 UK ownership, yeah. 02:15:04
I think they would rather reject the 2:50. 02:15:07
Yeah. 02:15:12
But then they have to type it. 02:15:14
They do have to type it. What I'm saying is we would. 02:15:17
Go ahead and give them the permission to deal with, but we wouldn't give the contribution. 02:15:20
Maybe just do it? 02:15:26
So one of the recommendations or one of the conditions? 02:15:29
Could say is yes. We would give you the 2:50 if you do agree. 02:15:33
To take ownership of it, yeah. 02:15:38
And so I've had that conversation with this middle group sitting manager. I would characterize it as having 0 appetite for that 02:15:41
conversation. But that's right, we can try. And then why? Why would we want to contribute to the project if that's the case? 02:15:49
And the dance playing it's like. 02:15:58
OK, so it's in bad shape when we were going down there, it's like, is it? 02:15:59
But it really I guess. 02:16:04
Yeah, project, don't they have to allow the? 02:16:08
Irrigation holders to be able to take the water out. 02:16:13
They do and they have designed. 02:16:16
Access points for them to do that, great. I fully support with the council saying, yeah, our 250 is there if you take the stitch. 02:16:19
If it's not then. 02:16:30
We're trying to let you type it, but it's gonna come with an indemnification agreement and the long term maintenance, right? 02:16:32
You're part of the property you have to do. If they wanted to fight the ditch, right, They wanted to run. 02:16:39
That. 02:16:49
That's all we're we're, we're set. We're comfortable with the historic. 02:16:50
Construction. 02:16:54
Piece of this ditch is if you wanna you wanna rip out. 02:16:56
Our dish. 02:17:01
You need to identify us. 02:17:02
Or pick up to 50 and and you buy it. 02:17:05
People. My ability for that search from my standpoint. 02:17:08
Whether they choose to identify us. 02:17:13
And take the obligation to deliver the water. 02:17:17
Where they buy it now, it's the same. 02:17:20
Yeah. 02:17:23
So. 02:17:23
But I support the Council. 02:17:27
No, we're, we're, we'll pay 250. 02:17:32
Four block stretch. 02:17:38
Yes. 02:17:39
Yeah, so I think our genius. 02:17:40
Just read through. 02:17:43
I don't think that they're gonna. 02:17:45
Remember that, go for that. So I think what we need to do is then. 02:17:47
Requiring identification, if they're going to be. 02:17:53
OK. 02:17:57
We did request that, well, there would be. 02:17:59
We would be. 02:18:03
It's really easy. It's really easy. I mean there is some benefit here the fact that my maintenance obligation and water delivery 02:18:06
standpoint which is what we're contractually. 02:18:11
It's easier for us to do it right now. 02:18:17
Even if every 10 or 12 years we have to spend 200 grand, it's easier for us. 02:18:19
To do it that way once they pipe it with sidewalk on top of it. 02:18:24
Our maintenance obligation and our ability to. 02:18:29
You know, continue to the lower the water gets harder. 02:18:32
Yeah, so. 02:18:35
That's a weird present to him is. Look, you're gonna have, you're gonna have obligation to. 02:18:38
To maintain this thing whether you take our 250 or not. 02:18:42
So if you take our 2:50, we you you. 02:18:46
We will will convey it to you. 02:18:49
But if you don't, you still have to maintain it. 02:18:52
If you want with that right. 02:18:54
That's what we would do if the homeowner wanted to fight across the private property, right? 02:18:58
In that. 02:19:04
Right. 02:19:05
I was never in local company lawyer, but I know how they work. 02:19:06
That's what would have been required, sure. 02:19:10
Yeah. 02:19:13
Do you know what's the? 02:19:15
They gonna see that is us. 02:19:17
Yeah. 02:19:21
Matter of fact, first statement and I I think that's right. 02:19:22
That we can certainly, yeah. I mean, we don't have to dig up their new sidewalks and you know it's so. 02:19:26
I don't need love. 02:19:34
It's a story. It is. 02:19:37
Designated. 02:19:40
Looks like that stuff in my. 02:19:45
Civilian Conservation Corps. 02:19:49
Ohh yeah. 02:19:55
That is real life. Well, all right. 02:19:56
This is the first statement that. 02:20:01
Yeah, it's not the response that we don't want the responsibility we have to maintain that it should go free. 02:20:06
And we're happy to contribute to them, but if they don't then we still have the responsibility. 02:20:13
Goes along with it. If they're gonna pipe, it can cover with the sidewalk. 02:20:19
Yeah, you're great issue for us. It's a real issue that we have to deal with. 02:20:24
Yeah, yeah. 02:20:29
Alright. 02:20:33
OK. 02:20:34
I want to support that and then I would bring up some other stuff that I could. 02:20:38
Gives you that. Put in your quiver. 02:20:43
OK. 02:20:49
Don't have your? 02:20:53
Alright. 02:21:16
The last one. 02:21:18
Alright, OK. 02:21:23
I'm looking for your alcohol. 02:21:26
That will be mediocre. Hall. Cheryl is resigning effective Ohh yes, retiring effective mid-october. 02:21:30
Sure has a ton of experience and has been. 02:21:43
Really performing her job at very high level on it. 02:21:47
Change backwards a week when she was initially hired. She was hired at 20 hours a week and and felt like she needed a little 02:21:51
additional time. 02:21:56
One of the priorities that the Council has identified over the last several years based on. 02:22:04
The. 02:22:11
Priorities of our residents and our surveys is community events and arts programming. 02:22:13
And so before we released a revised subscription, I just wanted to check with you to see whether you wanted to continue her 02:22:19
position in the basic structure that is now. 02:22:25
25 hours a week, knowing that for someone with less experience, that might be a. 02:22:32
Loss of efficiency. 02:22:41
Or whether you wanted to look at it, perhaps an expanded role for that position? 02:22:44
One thing that we that other cities, some other cities fear that's combined that are function. 02:22:50
With a culture component, so. 02:22:57
It might be that that position could assume responsibility for the Historic Historical Commission and their speaker series, work 02:23:00
with that group, and really have that eye toward events in addition to parts of the. 02:23:09
They're just looking for feedback. 02:23:19
Yeah, actually. 02:23:23
And staff support for. 02:23:24
First one full circle Commission. 02:23:27
And truthfully, I mean especially because the like the the, the historical experience are equitable putting out as an art. 02:23:30
Sort of components that the like at the castle home right or the bar down here? 02:23:38
I mean, you know, so it seems like they would ducktail really. 02:23:45
Really. 02:23:49
Easily. 02:23:51
I thought we have, but we have at least one Circle Commission member who's on the Council. 02:23:52
Overtime there's been, there's been crossover. 02:23:58
You know, like I'd like to throw in two other things. And when we did, when we did kind of accent with when we talked to Cheryl. 02:24:02
I don't think you're comfortable to hang herself on the back, but she did say through her packing. Look, I've been doing this 20 02:24:09
years. 02:24:12
And I. 02:24:16
Do it very efficiently, Yeah. 02:24:17
And it will be very difficult for somebody else to step in. So you got that piece. 02:24:19
But you've also got this piece of. 02:24:24
Residents really seeking more of that kind of thing? That Cheryl's been pretty clear about what. 02:24:27
I just want a part time job. 02:24:35
We have all this stuff, but I'm at my limit in terms of and so we were. 02:24:37
You know, sadly pretty sensitive about not. 02:24:42
Anything more on her? 02:24:45
And there's probably more opportunity to expand a little bit if you have a full time person. So I think you have those two issues 02:24:47
too, which is. 02:24:51
If she's had a 25 hours a week on this park for somebody to come in. 02:24:55
Pick up her workload. 02:25:00
And do the same job 25 hours. 02:25:02
So I think there's a couple of issues there and then if they could. 02:25:05
If you guys analyze it and you think that. 02:25:08
She you know. 02:25:12
A new person could come in. 02:25:14
And also maybe take on the cultural piece of the circle, which I think that's just an added focus. 02:25:16
So then. 02:25:23
Other in favor of. 02:25:24
Yeah, Yeah. And so there will be an increase of 15 hours. So that that's probably the left significant cost. 02:25:31
The cost is the benefits, so and we'll have to see. 02:25:41
Higher, but that is the potential for $25,000 within health insurance benefits in addition. 02:25:48
Did she? Did she? She did because she was. 02:25:59
She was paid at a higher rate. 02:26:04
Ohh. 02:26:08
That's a really fascinating idea. 02:26:15
But what cities do that right? 02:26:17
So I think Cottonwood heights position is that way. 02:26:20
Reaper is that way. 02:26:26
Director, Assistant person. 02:26:29
Understands the art. Historical commissions are fully volunteer. Those are bridges. 02:26:32
With your council person membership, right? 02:26:38
But So what that means? 02:26:42
That worked for. 02:26:47
I can't help myself. 02:26:50
But it would be good to have somebody has more dedicated, yeah. 02:26:53
I I very much support both maybe suggested in these capacities. I guess it's it's in these areas I think where it means something 02:26:57
all the time. 02:27:01
Should have that be part of what their their involved with this? 02:27:06
Big ***** on you know name, name, rights on. 02:27:13
Sort things or whatever else. 02:27:17
In fact, if we did that, this is this is a great juncture. 02:27:21
Work mission standpoint too. 02:27:25
OK, I'll do that. 02:27:28
Prioritize which things. 02:27:34
Speaker. 02:27:37
Work with them more. 02:27:38
Skills were required in public than a fewer. 02:27:40
Well, I have there will be so. 02:27:43
Excited about? 02:27:46
That. 02:27:47
Broadness of how they think that's true. That's right. 02:27:48
OK. Sounds like you're comfortable with advertising for full time position? 02:27:55
Working for some other skills, including cultural, perhaps some reasoning. 02:28:00
And then we're out. 02:28:07
Well, I I. 02:28:10
You know, I would. I would assume that what we're talking about at least right now is. 02:28:11
Reasoning with. 02:28:16
Halfway and with the understanding that that we're gonna go reevaluate that, but I'm hoping that relationship works but then that 02:28:18
person would be the direct. 02:28:22
But I don't know who was direct point of contact with this initial meeting. We had three cups. 02:28:27
Was it you, Molly? 02:28:32
So that person would. 02:28:35
Slide into that role and they would be the one working with. 02:28:37
Because that happened. 02:28:40
Yeah, yeah. 02:28:44
Right. 02:28:50
Alright. 02:28:51
I think we've already done through the calendar and questions about that. 02:28:54
It says it says October and 1st be met. 02:28:58
Alright, no closed session, so I'll thank you motion. 02:29:04
Sure. 02:29:09
Sorry. 02:29:10
Our neighbor. Alright, alright, well, thank you. Thank you. 02:29:11
Sorry. 02:29:18
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OK, work session. First item on the list. Update on stage City Hall space redesign. 00:00:50
So. 00:00:59
Higher process video to. 00:01:01
Quite some planning. 00:01:07
Options for some design here that are City Hall to accommodate increase number of employees. 00:01:10
And also. 00:01:18
Emergency access recommended by one of our studies for. 00:01:22
And then I'll give it to you workflow in our planning department as well as in our. 00:01:31
And time over to Hawaii. 00:01:40
And. 00:01:45
His business partner, Mike. 00:01:46
Sorry my. 00:01:51
Desire. 00:01:52
I appreciate you. 00:01:55
So let us walk you through what we've been looking at for your organization. 00:01:58
This will be F we provided as a document that would be given to your organization through kind of overview. 00:02:03
How he had looked at kind of the needs of how your organization was. 00:02:12
And then a series of options for different phases. 00:02:21
That we're after. 00:02:24
So. 00:02:26
And really when we were approached criteria and the city staff about this project was really that address kind of space kind of 00:02:27
issues that they've identified as as a way to kind of. 00:02:33
And they're both the kind of questions they have in terms of of kind of. 00:02:40
Issues that they've had 14 but also developing kind of master plan so that you guys can eat your food. 00:02:44
And so the organizational chart and would imagine this organization. 00:02:50
Good. 00:02:58
Number of employees. 00:02:58
Next slide. 00:03:02
So when we kind of did a series of interviews with all the staff, what we did is. 00:03:05
Yes, the questions and then after we went through the questions. 00:03:09
You kind of made a notation of kind of words that popped up regularly within the question. So the question for where things that 00:03:13
are used. 00:03:17
Most frequently or issues within spaces that are kind of problematic. 00:03:22
What are the things that are important to kind of this kind of study? 00:03:27
And So what we found is one of the things, you know, the green is the big ones, being that these came up the most. 00:03:34
And the smaller ones would mean that they were issues that were brought up but not necessarily all the time. So as you can see, 00:03:42
one of the first things is that. 00:03:45
You know, right now, the break room. 00:03:50
Behind us is the budget. 00:03:52
Kind of Sapphire is something that is maybe not actually. 00:03:54
Being a great. 00:03:58
The idea of the pretty sand space is actually that it seems to be almost. 00:04:04
With the direction that the staff was heading through the. 00:04:09
Not hurting or and and. 00:04:11
Please. 00:04:15
That it was used in some way and then the fact that the. 00:04:16
Very kind. 00:04:22
It's something we consider. 00:04:26
Conference rooms are something that is important to the staffing. 00:04:29
Using across the board. 00:04:34
And then things like the private offices and something that. 00:04:35
Does that feel like they do enjoy that kind of private office? 00:04:38
Yes. 00:04:44
The other thing that we did is we mapped out kind of organizational chart. Other organizations understand both current needs as 00:04:47
well as what the future and safeties are going to be. So this was to help us understand where where you see growth happening, 00:04:53
which solutions will and where they might occur within the organizations. 00:04:59
And if I can just synergize for the council, this is the same kind of future planning at the staff level that you reviewed your 00:05:05
retreats. 00:05:10
That might be. 00:05:18
OK. 00:05:21
So what the? 00:05:24
The. 00:05:26
Did it. 00:05:28
OK, no problem. Thank you. 00:05:30
So the the things that in our data collection that we're also kind of. 00:05:32
Things are that we needed that with the questions of how we might present or things that were. 00:05:36
One of the things that came along with the idea of flexibility that would actually maybe one of the. 00:05:41
Big part of the burns. 00:05:47
About all of the spaces that the existing furniture which is now probably coming on 20 years old. 00:05:50
Is not quite to the correct, meaningful data and digital technology that could be useful. Natural lighting is definitely important 00:05:56
to everyone, but. 00:06:01
That many offices would actually, it's possible. 00:06:07
Electrical outlets. 00:06:10
9/4. 00:06:13
Computers and printers and screens and everyone has like. 00:06:14
Or five different outputs into like a plug, right? So how do we address that? 00:06:18
On. 00:06:23
One of the other questions was how can we? 00:06:24
Fully addressing accessibility issues that the building still have, particularly in terms of the basement and the access to the 00:06:26
room when you want to close off the upper floor. 00:06:31
So that's just some of the configuration that we'll see as dressing. 00:06:38
Well. 00:06:42
OK, So what we're going to show you is we're going to start that, start with the serial down, move through this. 00:06:44
Partly it was a way to think about. 00:06:51
How this leads to this kind of a model work, but also for us to develop with thinking about how you can actually do these 00:06:54
renovations, but you don't have to do it all at once. 00:06:59
That helps relative to budget, but it also helps for you guys earlier than how you can still continue to use this building. 00:07:08
And and and maintain the public facing kind of amenities and product that you need. 00:07:14
Right. And you still don't have to sleep here, so we're gonna first look at the South wing in the executive offices. 00:07:19
What we've done is the the kind of biggest need was there was a need for a couple more of the seasons. 00:07:28
There is some some administrative staff. 00:07:34
That would be introduced and so they were looking for a couple of kind of more individual office spaces as well as maybe a better 00:07:36
work so. 00:07:40
And so. 00:07:44
What this key does is it says kind of what is not in the scope. 00:07:46
What would have minor alterations, what would have moderate alterations, major alterations and then actually reconstruction? 00:07:50
So what you'll see here in the first option? Construction pieces. 00:07:55
This would relative to the security analysis that was provided to us is that basically the executive, we have no secondary egress 00:07:59
out of that area. 00:08:04
So in case there was. 00:08:09
Some type of kind of possible situation or other type of emergency which you need to lock down the building. 00:08:11
The executive that gets stuck. 00:08:18
Right. 00:08:19
And so they're recommending some type of secondary exit that could be kind of that this whole section, because this is actually 00:08:20
secured. 00:08:24
Could leave through that is not out these doors on the front. 00:08:28
So what we propose here is right now, they're conference room. You would add an exit door and then a walkway that would keep you 00:08:31
outside. 00:08:35
And so that's the new construction. 00:08:40
And then what we've done is to replace what's currently the copies storage this area. 00:08:42
That we replace with the new office. 00:08:48
This kind of whole area, which was the principal office. 00:08:51
Which is not really used for conference rooms. 00:08:55
Yes, absorbed into the administrative suite and that's the action gets cut off so that then this whole thing acts as the executive 00:08:58
zone effectively. 00:09:02
And incorporates the receptionist office. So now. 00:09:07
This whole area can be everyone in this kind of executive team can interact with each other without having to go in and out of 00:09:10
doors, which is happening a lot, right? 00:09:14
So then they're also able to create black office or some, you know, junior administrator interns and they're also you can create 00:09:20
another office that kind of has another service. 00:09:25
I thought we enlarged communication and server room. 00:09:30
Back here, what we've done is that the lobby was in. 00:09:35
Actually slightly too big. 00:09:39
In terms of, it becomes a waste of space. 00:09:41
You're not having a lot of people sit in that lobby for a long period of time. You might just be having someone to come and meet. 00:09:43
Or wait until they go into an office for a meeting. 00:09:48
And So what we're left, what we're proposing is where we create a coffee kind of wall. 00:09:51
Zone. 00:09:56
That allows us to get that functional, the function you need at the temple, everyone. 00:09:57
It can screen off this conference room, so it's not directly in the line of view, which currently you can see kind of straight 00:10:02
through. 00:10:05
From when people are coming. 00:10:09
Coming in. 00:10:10
And so then hopefully what we're saying is that. 00:10:11
This allows a little bit more privacy in that kind of area for when executives or or people in the executive team are doing a 00:10:14
meeting work right. 00:10:18
So next slide. 00:10:23
So what we're then proposing in the basement that's related to this is that. 00:10:27
When we do this walkway. 00:10:31
We could then readdress the parking and landscaping. 00:10:34
To provide the new VA parking stall. 00:10:38
And then a new entrance into the big hotel room that would be an exterior entrance. So then this allows you guys. 00:10:41
To have become a broom, which is your most public facing room, you went to off hours. 00:10:47
And actually address the 88 issues that have currently been. 00:10:53
A big problem for accessing that room. 00:10:56
Next line. 00:11:00
So this is how the envision that the exterior on the South end would look, right this kind of fortunately. 00:11:03
You look at this because Jared mentioned that you guys were starting to look at. 00:11:09
Doing some dictating work on the South end to address some issues. 00:11:13
And So what we feel like you can do is try and combine these two things together and actually address the aviations, but also give 00:11:17
your. 00:11:21
Building a public method on the South end which is very public facing because you have. 00:11:25
The playground and the parking lot with you. 00:11:30
And actually make it very clear when people are using the Big Cottonwood room. 00:11:32
In the evenings when it is open to the public and that you should be going there instead of the front entrance. 00:11:37
Right. So you can actually do some signage for the recovery group. 00:11:43
Of lighting and the pathways. 00:11:47
Right. And so, yeah. 00:11:49
Just wanted to let everybody know that the light worked on our terrorist project. 00:11:51
We study a couple years ago, so he was. 00:11:57
There's money with how our parking lot. 00:12:01
Interests. 00:12:05
For time. 00:12:07
He. 00:12:09
He's now. 00:12:10
Information Danger study. 00:12:13
Well, yeah, basically. 00:12:18
That history of that when we were working on that, your child will also trying to address a issue back then. 00:12:20
And so I thought, well, I'll maybe bring that as a way to kill two birds. Once done. Again, we're still using. 00:12:26
Next slide. 00:12:32
And this is how we envision the revision of the executive and just copy it so that we could do these green wall and then that can 00:12:34
become the kind of graphic element that when people walk in. 00:12:39
And look through the doors. 00:12:44
That's what they see as kind of the holidays involved. 00:12:46
Rather than seeing people in an office space behind. 00:12:49
So what we've done is basically kind of tried to give. 00:12:55
A road map in terms of how much each space. 00:12:59
Would mean in terms of work overall. 00:13:03
As well as the primary source of the costs and so I think. 00:13:05
Maybe we'll just go through all the slides. They'll have that information that they reviewed more hopefully where we can come back 00:13:10
to that a little bit later. 00:13:13
Help. 00:13:17
That's what you like. 00:13:18
You wanna go through that point somehow? You through, I know, probably move through the options right now. So I think we're gonna 00:13:20
have to stop. 00:13:23
That's it. So next slide. 00:13:28
So. 00:13:31
This is a secondary option and. 00:13:31
The secondary option was thinking about. 00:13:34
Particularly this kind of exit sequence. 00:13:37
And if you're actually trying to do something at that South end? 00:13:40
How that could be potentially even more beneficial than just the kind of. 00:13:43
What we thought was like a balcony, like stare on your South end, which kind of felt a little bit like. 00:13:48
Yeah, exactly. Which didn't necessarily feel so appropriate for a very public facing building, right. So a lot of this stays the 00:13:54
same. 00:13:58
We did play a little bit with understanding maybe how you use some of these spaces intermittently. 00:14:03
But the big thing is that we're now proposing what we're calling it epic. That's real. The other thing that happens is it gives us 00:14:08
an ancillary space for people to. 00:14:13
So the other thing was in the security update. 00:14:18
There was the need for secondary egress from the executive suite, but there was also the mention of if there was a possibility 00:14:22
there would be secure holding. 00:14:26
That was private. 00:14:32
Before you leave. 00:14:33
This week because. 00:14:35
Yes. 00:14:37
Say, God forbid there was like a shooting incident that was out. 00:14:38
We need to get you out of this, but we don't want you out onto the street yet because we don't know what's going on. 00:14:41
So then this becomes a fully secured, basically panic. 00:14:47
Of sorts that can keep all the staff there until they're gonna be off here. 00:14:51
Next slide. 00:14:56
The opportunity, then, is also going to give us an actual vestibule. 00:14:58
Entrance into the recovery. So one of the complaints was that if we do a door here. 00:15:02
During a performance or anything, suddenly a door opens and people interrupting something in the Cottonwood room immediately, 00:15:07
whether it's light or noise or sound. 00:15:11
So with vestibule we can actually have something where it's gated off so that if you were having a performance or something, 00:15:15
right? 00:15:19
You have someone waiting there and just wait. Hold them there until the appropriate time to let them in. 00:15:23
And again, the rest of it is very similar in terms of addressing. 00:15:28
The edits all needs while providing new landscaping and way to transition from. 00:15:31
The upper level to lower level. 00:15:35
Without having to walk all the way around. 00:15:37
That's right. So that this is what we. 00:15:40
Imagine couldn't happen on the South end. 00:15:43
We call this kind of a Lantern proposal. The idea then now is that this South end turns to pick up on the architecture that 00:15:45
happened in the additions of Greer where a change of. 00:15:51
Brickstone. 00:15:57
Helps people understand this isn't universal. 00:15:59
But it still respects the history and architecture of the original building. 00:16:01
Both the the mansion element is then what we're hoping is that. 00:16:05
Yes, in the evening or because a lot of the the Cottonwood uses are happening. 00:16:09
That thing gets turned on. 00:16:15
And that becomes the signal, and it becomes attractive to bring people to that corner and really think about, hey, there's an 00:16:17
event coming on, you can have a lot of fun with it. You could try different colors, all sorts of things. 00:16:22
But what it does is it really gives the public. 00:16:28
Component of the building. 00:16:31
A truly kind of architectural moment that helps really communicate clearly to your public. 00:16:32
This is a ship. 00:16:37
Next slide. 00:16:39
Again, this is a breakdown of how. 00:16:42
Where we feel the scope of work would be and then some initial preliminary comments. 00:16:44
That's right. 00:16:50
So then we're moving down the corridor, so. 00:16:52
This is. 00:16:56
Uh. 00:16:57
The work right now in the multi-purpose room, which we're in the break room and it's City Council chambers, this would be very 00:16:58
light. This was about carpet. 00:17:01
On some furnishings. 00:17:05
Next slide. 00:17:08
And then just a little bit of the kind of breakdown costs. 00:17:11
Next slide. 00:17:14
Now we're going to focus on planning department, which may have some kind of. 00:17:15
Your concerns are primarily about kind of the public. 00:17:20
As well as the need for additional offices because they are having immediate needs and exact. 00:17:24
So in this first proposal, which was? 00:17:28
Simply kind of reconsidering the existing spaces which are divided primarily by default and how you might be able to very quickly 00:17:31
modify it to hopefully. 00:17:35
Create additional office space as well as kind of. 00:17:40
Contain what? What it what kind of partner says right now? 00:17:44
People in the public verification, they keep on walking around the counter and then just going into people's offices and that's 00:17:47
bit of a security concern about that as a personal concern, right? 00:17:51
So basically we're just closing off the. 00:17:55
The opening with a kind of door packs and then we moved conference room and storage here. So currently this is a conference room 00:17:59
and office. 00:18:03
Which feels a little bit. 00:18:07
On this way for public and then so we've moved private public offices and private working spaces. 00:18:08
That. 00:18:14
Next slide. 00:18:16
The Office of the Planning Department did ask us to consider a couple different options. 00:18:18
Kind of escalating in terms of how many changes happen in that area. So the first one is that we can then consider the three areas 00:18:23
as kind of cleared out and then re envisioned. 00:18:27
And So what happens is we are then proposing the lobby slide to the end. 00:18:33
And then a new kind of entrance here. So then the lobby and the public area is actually fully contained. You would have a small 00:18:37
conference room that you can meet public. 00:18:41
If the department needs to meet with public. 00:18:45
And then the plan review space, which is the most public? 00:18:47
Interface between the Planning department and the public. 00:18:50
And then a series of kind of more private spaces in the back. 00:18:53
This then means all the kind of office space needs as well as provides a little bit of. 00:18:56
Flex office space and collaboration space for future growth if needed. 00:19:01
We did propose 1 alternative to that scene, which is this scene here where? 00:19:05
We just feel that right now. 00:19:10
When people are working here, you can still see down the corridor and so if people are moving in and out of the private spaces, 00:19:13
you still kind of get it, run something on the way. 00:19:16
And So what we've kind of flipped is that. 00:19:21
This wall here. 00:19:24
We're pretty sure is not low varying unlike this one which is it makes it very well. So if you remove that wall, this gives us the 00:19:26
flexibility to come about this as one big kind of space that we can reconfigure for offices. 00:19:32
As well as collaboration zone and then move the planning department forward. 00:19:38
So that the most public facing and public engagement sits kind of in this front zone. 00:19:42
And then director and stuff like that that are more privately to the back. 00:19:47
Next flight. 00:19:52
And again, this is a little bit about scope of work. This was originally for the first option I showed you. 00:19:55
The two other options have just come in, in the last week. So that's we just proposed from the plans to the planning department 00:20:00
pick it up that. 00:20:04
There one of the advantages of kind of moving that public. 00:20:11
Action, as you're proposing here, is that it removes a conflict point with support right now. Yeah, or two. Most. 00:20:15
Used parts of the building or like right across each other, right. And yeah, so there was like the old building was about that 00:20:26
kind of symmetry of those kind of entrances. 00:20:30
But then it it creates conflict eventually. 00:20:35
That's why. 00:20:39
So then in these kind of spaces what we're then looking for? 00:20:40
As a waitress, a lot of the other particularly effectual means is not by proposing. 00:20:45
Like ripping and cutting and grand. 00:20:50
Actually looking at office furniture, new office furniture that is much more flexible. 00:20:53
But also the most new office furniture allows for plugging in and contributing so that you can do a master plug and then energize 00:20:58
with a series of plugs in the back so that we can address these electrical concerns very quickly without having to do much in 00:21:04
terms of actual part changes. So there's a series of kind of different ways in which we can then look at office layouts and 00:21:10
furniture layouts to give kind of people the kind of space usage they actually. 00:21:17
Next slide. 00:21:25
And so. 00:21:27
The next. 00:21:28
Area that we look at is the basement. 00:21:30
The basement came up because it felt like there was a lot of underutilized space, particularly in the North End. 00:21:33
Of the building. 00:21:39
And So what we've proposed is A2 phased approach. 00:21:41
How you can think about the building? 00:21:44
Personally, the basement. 00:21:47
And so this would be phase one and this is phase two. 00:21:48
Phase one is. 00:21:51
Basically one of the main complaints that the. 00:21:53
The gem is sucked. 00:21:55
Inside the internal right, so there's no windows. 00:21:57
It kind of feels dark and a little bit reloading. 00:22:00
And then the space which is the art director and this passing back here. 00:22:03
Umm. 00:22:07
They are really just being used completely as storage. 00:22:08
Right. So what we've done is we've actually flipped the two and that can actually be a pretty fast thing. The space was being the 00:22:12
same thing. They're approximately 5. 00:22:16
And it just might be updating some 4 finishes, but now we have contained storage which is inside the building. 00:22:20
And completely secure and then we can move. 00:22:28
The fitness area and they have light levels so that even though and they're deep enough so that you're not on display, but you 00:22:31
actually get some natural light into a workout space. 00:22:34
And then the art director? 00:22:38
We make that influence, we actually proposal that becomes a real office representative. 00:22:40
And so the art director can move down there. They can store. There's enough room that they can do this part store for when they're 00:22:45
doing community art shows. 00:22:48
And then, since they're using the community art shows in that corridor, they're actually located exactly where they need to be. 00:22:52
Over here, the little cotton room in the 1st place stays the same the kitchen. 00:22:58
Part of it remains, but then we create what was deemed like lacking in this building is the Wellness room. So basically. 00:23:04
A place for mothers to nurse, which doesn't happen anywhere in the building right now and then. The other big thing is that there 00:23:11
is no location of set location for the ELC. 00:23:15
And so basically kind of floating, I believe in a closet in one of the rooms. 00:23:21
And so it would be nice to make sure that the OC now has a a very clear location where all that stuff goes. 00:23:25
It is also the main quarter, so it's easy to access. 00:23:31
Back here. 00:23:34
The little conwood room kind of wrapped around here and it's kind of a weird shape. It's extremely long. 00:23:36
And then the kind of way in which it gets used is a little bit problematic because I think. 00:23:41
People looking at that room. 00:23:46
And like the big problem is not really sure how do I set it up, what are needs work like it's orientation. So what we propose is 00:23:47
that we square it will come in the room so that when it becomes clear that you have an entrance to beautiful windows. 00:23:53
And it was a nice rectangular space for general party who will understand how to use that a little bit more. 00:23:59
And then this backspace actually becomes the new break and flexor. 00:24:05
And so it's large enough where it can provide. 00:24:08
A break room that the entire executive, actually all the administrative staff need all at once. If you want to do an all hands 00:24:12
meeting, you finally have a place to do it in. 00:24:16
The other thing is that it's flexible enough that it could be. 00:24:21
Done is almost like a casual coworking space where if you have consultants coming into a little bit, they have a place to land. 00:24:24
That feels comfortable. It's out of the way. 00:24:31
But then it's still a productive workspace. 00:24:33
In phase two, this was imagining when the staff increases to the maximum, which saw another 5 to 8 people. 00:24:36
This will come with then become. 00:24:44
A new executive worksheet which is open office and that was before coming to your staff and then we convert. 00:24:48
This area to A to an additional meeting room. 00:24:53
Next slide. 00:24:57
So this is how we imagine that that great workouts workspace to become what we we feel is really nice. Is that again? 00:25:00
But the interesting part about this building is the backside dropped off about that. There's quite large group in, so it doesn't 00:25:07
feel out around. You get a lot of light into those spaces. 00:25:12
And then so it doesn't feel like you're working the dungeon, but it is. 00:25:18
Back facing is not public facing. 00:25:23
Some of the other stages so it does feel proper way and it feels like a place that you can then do some more of your kind of 00:25:25
activities without having people. 00:25:29
That's fine. 00:25:33
It's perfect. 00:25:34
We also like, like I said, we designed it as a way to be kind of a multi use space so that you can do all hand speeding, but it 00:25:36
feels comfortable enough that. 00:25:39
You might want to do an extended lunch break and hang out there while you do this work. 00:25:43
Next slide. 00:25:48
Again, this is kind of how we get to identify how much scope of work will be required and then a general breakdown of where we 00:25:50
think some costs will be. 00:25:54
This is the Justice Court. This was brought to us in that. 00:26:00
Their concern right now is that. 00:26:03
This area which was originally holding them is currently unusable because. 00:26:05
Right now it doesn't have any chemical equipment that works, so. 00:26:10
In the winter is through the whole. 00:26:13
And that will keep people better so. 00:26:16
And then, um, because it had this kind of component where you get out of here, it wasn't what they felt was really secure. 00:26:19
Speaking with the justices. 00:26:28
They were saying that what they. 00:26:30
Definitely need this additional. 00:26:32
Client Conference room. 00:26:34
And then if we can just. 00:26:36
At the meeting, sources provide. Kind of. 00:26:38
Climate control to these areas and this can actually these are being used for intended purpose. 00:26:42
And then we've been blocked off that secondary kind of access point, so that security concern as well as giving them the kind of 00:26:47
conference. 00:26:51
That's what. 00:26:57
This is again just breaking down the kind of what we work is and somehow. 00:26:59
So then this is kind of our overall summary of the individual spaces. 00:27:06
Where we see those preliminary costs being? 00:27:12
We will say that these costs are very conceptual, high level. 00:27:15
I think the biggest challenge has been for us is that. 00:27:19
Even within when we first started this project and began looking at these costs about three months ago. 00:27:23
That ended with sanity check with some colleagues. 00:27:28
About a week ago where she prices still escalated quite quickly. 00:27:31
And so that's just a conversation that we will have to have in terms of. 00:27:36
How we then how we move forward and then get you. 00:27:40
Numbers that we feel are real time. 00:27:43
And closer you would actually see if you went out on the market with the project? 00:27:46
Excellent. 00:27:51
Any questions for us? 00:27:59
That's a lot of information, so. 00:28:01
I would have a lot of questions, but probably not appropriate for this meeting. You know better than the details, but the sign 00:28:04
that piece of it. 00:28:08
So the other piece we've actually we've now we're we're gonna come back to you in September. 00:28:12
So we've actually had a couple proposals with the structural here talk about what their proposal for. 00:28:18
And then what is the what in fact may be the implication implications to these renovations relative to the scope, right? 00:28:24
And so my understanding in our conversation. 00:28:31
Interventions at different levels of. 00:28:35
I'm not saying intensity, right? So the first proposal was. 00:28:38
Is a roof based intervention is about hitting the roof to the exterior walls? 00:28:42
He's saying that. 00:28:47
That's the priority. That's the one he would recommend. 00:28:48
Because that would give you. 00:28:51
The. 00:28:54
That would take you to a place where he felt that you have the best chance of having a building you stable enough that during a 00:28:55
large type of event you can get everyone sticking out of the building. 00:29:00
But it doesn't guarantee that the building may be used after that. Well, I'm not. I'm not talking about. 00:29:05
The scope of the cyclic, but my question is. 00:29:12
To this assignment happening done 1st and then this. We're working together so that's why I'm explaining these options to you. 00:29:16
Yeah, you look at it and there are certain ones that can be faced with these things. 00:29:21
Some of it could be split, right. So the roof option could be considered a split because when I actually talked about, you said. 00:29:27
It's actually better to come from the outside, from up from the roof. 00:29:34
And then come down. 00:29:37
Because I actually like. Well, do you wanna like if you were doing? 00:29:38
These office renovations and we're taking some walls and tuned anyway and these come from from inside rather than the root cause 00:29:41
any relatively recently but actually the preferred way would be down. 00:29:47
For that option. 00:29:54
So that one could be. 00:29:55
Divorced from any other kind of other things. 00:29:57
The rest of them? 00:30:00
The second option which is. 00:30:01
The kind of natural intensity which is rebuilding these internal masonry walls. 00:30:03
That one would want to be coordinated with any type of determination because what they're proposing is that these walls literally 00:30:08
get taken down to the basement and we rebuilt the foundation. 00:30:13
Right. 00:30:19
So there's a question of, and I talked to him about can we do it? Do we have to do go over all vertically or can we stage in the 00:30:20
basement first? 00:30:24
And it's tied into the upper floor low labor period of time that you have to possible. 00:30:28
The preferred option would be is to just move in section along the wall down. 00:30:34
And just being such a vertically, right? 00:30:38
And so we've been looking at ways to then strategize about how if there's these different scenarios. 00:30:41
How we might be able to phase it? 00:30:47
To allow and if we can figure out a way that we follow this building to operate through that entire construction process, right. 00:30:49
Because I think that was the biggest concern. 00:30:56
If you take on that side, are you going to get displaced, right and the cost of that displaced? 00:30:58
And so that's what we're working through now. 00:31:04
And so we've we've been seeing that Jared and Jared actually asked us to kind of come back after they have a meeting with. 00:31:06
You said that. 00:31:14
September about like a full kind of picture about that. 00:31:16
Members. 00:31:22
But that you know that's just kind of preliminary what we what we've been kind of exploring that we're getting into this, but if 00:31:26
there's any other things you want to consider it. 00:31:30
We're gonna let you know. 00:31:36
Or there there's some questions that you would hope to get answered by that September you let us know that we've been working. 00:31:38
Anybody would be helpful to ask for some kind of reaction to the options, but right now. 00:31:47
If there is anything that would be off the table, something really light and would want us to explore more from the cost 00:31:56
perspective. 00:31:59
I think one of the concerns. 00:32:05
Initial concerns I would have would be is the. 00:32:08
Really take the planning department is bringing up. What are we trying to accommodate? 00:32:13
Then in the space there is just because that's the easiest way to do it. So and I'll I'll watch maybe after the options being 00:32:19
presented with two options. 00:32:24
Both after the initial. 00:32:30
When we suffered that one was also be removed and we could take that front counter and pivot it. 00:32:35
We have space. 00:32:41
Any other questions for us? 00:32:50
You. 00:32:53
The little yeah, with the. 00:32:54
We have some data and we've had it overtime and not something I can share with you with that one. 00:33:01
30 grand. 00:33:09
And for larger events, for cycles, you know it's not her. 00:33:10
Yeah. I think some of my questions would be more into the weeds regarding the space. That's probably not appropriate. 00:33:19
Play. 00:33:25
Versus in the break room when we're designing that. 00:33:26
Do we need more private spaces? And that's more of a. 00:33:30
OK, we're gonna do it now. Yeah, really. Look at that space. 00:33:34
Concept. 00:33:38
Anyway. 00:33:42
We may be going back to these options on the outside. 00:33:47
Any reaction to? 00:33:53
It has the best of your best of your persons. 00:33:56
Yeah. 00:34:01
So you're asking me do $250,000 difference essentially for that? 00:34:02
So preliminarily, because of how much work we're going to actually, you know? 00:34:06
The first option. 00:34:11
The main thing we gain for that is. 00:34:13
After. 00:34:16
There's aesthetically there's something to be said about him, but I think also the utility in the lower room, yeah. 00:34:18
Because events are going on for that and then the security of not having basically what we said was what the security report 00:34:27
recommended potentially having. 00:34:31
Putting that police here. 00:34:39
You know, yeah, it's more crazy than you. 00:34:40
That I like that functionality piece the aesthetics of it. 00:34:44
And the functionality of the common room. 00:34:48
They have some great advantage that they're talking about the lighting as well and how it becomes sort of a beacon. 00:34:51
You have advanced down there. 00:34:56
Uh. 00:34:57
After the other one. 00:34:58
You know which which provides that. 00:35:00
Egress. 00:35:02
But this kind of piracy? 00:35:04
Yeah, you know, and it's not horrible, but. 00:35:06
Yeah. 00:35:11
When we look at that, sorry, I agree I I'm not. 00:35:16
OK. Yeah, that's probably, but I do like. 00:35:24
You like the idea of. 00:35:28
Two entrances where you can enter. 00:35:30
There's the problem happening again and. 00:35:32
They didn't come through the door right during the event. 00:35:36
Nice to have that entry where they come in and their schedules. 00:35:39
Cushion or holding there before they actually enter. 00:35:43
That you have. 00:35:46
Sunlight. 00:35:48
Yes, yeah. 00:35:50
Like somebody pouring in there. 00:35:52
Would be would be distracting to the audience members around the back part of the hallway. 00:35:55
Provides better. 00:36:01
Yeah, So what? What? 00:36:02
Our firm had learned in the very first primary design going to look at the South end of the world. What kind of you had responded 00:36:04
to was? 00:36:07
One of the things that. 00:36:11
Had originally been coming through an idea about that. Now Plaza or having that is that. 00:36:13
Really. Because it's such a public facing. 00:36:18
Momentarily. 00:36:22
It's kind of interesting because. 00:36:23
Is actually a third base. It wasn't originally seen that way, The school actually. 00:36:25
Because they're kind of parking area, lot of public housing. 00:36:31
Things there. 00:36:34
Was. 00:36:35
In that original kind of. 00:36:36
Kind of. 00:36:38
Design exploration. There especially, how can we make? 00:36:38
This end of the building. 00:36:41
The third entrance, In fact, it would become the more prominent interest than the one that's wrapped around. 00:36:43
On the on the West side of the building. 00:36:48
Right, because actually you guys don't use that as a publication you don't want. 00:36:51
And so that was kind of where this effort. 00:36:56
Something that addresses like a number of concerns. 00:37:00
Well, actually into this kind of. 00:37:03
After everything has been out there for you. 00:37:05
And that is also an opportunity to visit. 00:37:08
Yeah, you know, go back to the picture with the fire escape looking type access. 00:37:13
So. So my reaction is so right, right now we have 3 offices that we have the mayor's office, that's the conference room in the 00:37:19
middle. Yeah. And then Gina's office on the left. I had two thoughts. One is. 00:37:25
Why have the exit be in that conference room? That's Instrumented Description Emergency exit. 00:37:31
It could be just in the mayor's office. 00:37:37
And on the very corner of the building, it's only going to be used for an emergency. 00:37:40
And then it's just those steps and it's not that that sort of. 00:37:44
Battle three thing. 00:37:48
But the other the other thought I had was. 00:37:50
Could there be an emergency exit off the roof? 00:37:53
On the wet on you know the the stage. 00:37:57
That that could. 00:38:01
Go down. 00:38:04
Use office or or Stephanie Stephanie's office. 00:38:06
Like a lot like room. So I don't know. I just. I just wonder why we why we need to put that escape in the middle of the building. 00:38:12
And have that base structure where it could be either on the western or. So we actually looked at an option where we went out the 00:38:22
the kind of West side and so then the question becomes very land upstairs. 00:38:27
So the questions relative to this there have always been. 00:38:34
When you have a stair, and this is the other question you have here even whether it's here or here, because it was scared as 00:38:38
public facing if people didn't disturb. 00:38:42
Just sit there or whatever, right relative to a door that actually accesses the kind of mayors office. 00:38:47
That would seem a pretty high security problem that way. 00:38:54
The best door? Someone still could break into it relatively easy. 00:38:57
Because it's the door as another access point. 00:39:00
Right. 00:39:04
Relatives of the backside are questionable. Then it's if again, it was a little bit of a security concern. 00:39:05
Are we now inviting people to then be able to walk across the room and analyze the room? 00:39:11
And then break windows, right. Yes we create, we we exactly we it's like the like. 00:39:16
We hate to ask, but you know, we hate to do it, but we have to. 00:39:21
Imagine the worst case scenario if you're behavior and creating more access to a roof is usually like not the best idea. 00:39:25
So that's why we moved away from that. We did present an option to the staff about. 00:39:33
And also this. 00:39:38
This. 00:39:39
Placement of the door gives an overhang so that if somebody is. 00:39:41
You know, knocking on the door. 00:39:45
Years. 00:39:48
It was, yeah, it was. 00:39:49
They basically become the second game actually acts of the money. Yeah, yeah. 00:39:52
OK. Just one quick question to think about. Can you show me the the executive suite, so pinterested in transition? 00:39:59
To. 00:40:09
The coffee room, the principal trimmer, Ukraine. Those office. Yeah, I think I got an answer there. So that's terribly scared 00:40:11
going down there. Search here and then there's a new stair here. 00:40:15
Currently they don't have to come in. 00:40:21
Through the lobby, get their offset. You also enter from their home. OK, so there's a secondary door here. These are clean, right? 00:40:24
But the one thing that we thought was really important is that by introducing this staircase here, currently the staff comes out 00:40:31
here and then he's in. 00:40:34
If you have these do this then this whole section. 00:40:38
You can look in and out. 00:40:43
Outside and that was one thing you don't have to dress. 00:40:46
Just another comment I mean. 00:40:58
I'm sure, I'm sure this. 00:41:00
I'm suppose you have any hair because your hair, you pull your hair off, you've got. 00:41:02
We've got 1234 levels in this building and. 00:41:06
Have you ever thought about putting it in elevator to solve 88 problems I think like in like? 00:41:12
I mean so. 00:41:20
Would it possibly have an elevator that would? Well, I guess what would you put access? 00:41:21
And stuff that we stick in elevator. And so the biggest challenge is when we look at something like like. 00:41:41
This is. 00:41:48
That's correct. 00:42:15
Which? 00:42:16
12%. 00:43:34
I think the question that we hope can give you enough information to have discussion about is that legitimately understanding. 00:43:59
But we feel that our designs. 00:44:05
Maybe what we have out was according to the feedback we got, is that you would have a plan that would now set up your building 00:44:08
tool. 00:44:12
To last the next 20 to 25 years. So as long as you've been in this building, you will now be in this building for another 25 that 00:44:15
that same amount of time, right? And so if you make this investment now to give you that lifespan. 00:44:22
Right. Is that worth it versus saying well? 00:44:28
We're gonna run out of space. We're gonna run out of. 00:44:31
I find people. We just have to dress. We're gonna or we're gonna say we're just gonna. 00:44:34
Even is and we'll just only pop up piece meal when we have an issue with addresses and actually right. 00:44:37
Is what works best for both the finances of the city, but also how you have organization want to run. 00:44:43
You know so. 00:44:49
We don't have. 00:44:52
Process. 00:44:53
So. 00:44:54
In the city. So I don't see where you've already kind of projected what our. 00:44:56
Or needs are going to be from an employee standpoint? 00:45:01
Hope that it might be another. 00:45:05
Three or 4FT E So what that showing me is that. 00:45:07
We do have enough space in this building. We're using a lot of very efficiently and we can reprogram it. 00:45:11
You make some very nice comfortable working spaces. 00:45:17
And even if we even at a cost us $8 million. 00:45:21
It's gonna be way, way ahead. 00:45:26
You know, the other thing is, I would say is her residents have told us that they don't want us to do that. 00:45:30
They don't want us to have a. 00:45:36
And you know, they, I think they wanted to have another city. They don't want us to go build one of these. 00:45:38
30 or 40 or $50 million sitting halls. 00:45:45
So I think, yeah, I think what we got comfortable with is that. 00:45:48
Realizing how much this is actually you're building and yeah, you can start to repurpose it. Yeah, we're really efficient ways you 00:45:52
can stay in here and again, we can make your goal for over 25 years, right? 00:45:57
And and and actually you guys don't have. 00:46:03
Important for doing substantial things beyond these kind of initial kind of predictions. 00:46:07
So on option 8 or should we be working? 00:46:20
Which of these options should we be working with to bring the numbers and birth? 00:46:26
I'm involved here on this. I I don't really care. I don't really. I'm not. 00:46:35
I'm not persuaded by the panic room thing, yeah. 00:46:39
But I am. I do like the aesthetic piece of the time. I'd like the double entry on the bottom. 00:46:43
Be able to. 00:46:48
Have some transitionary there. They're often given so that you could put some signage above that. Keep that above the outside door 00:46:50
there, it would just. 00:46:54
Feel better there than on the old brick. 00:46:59
Especially because that is the handicapped entrance for that lower level. 00:47:02
Yeah. 00:47:06
So starting the top part of them. 00:47:07
There is there. 00:47:09
Like, is it just an emergency exit out of the conference room currently, Right now? Yeah. 00:47:11
What's that? What's that works with up there? So this is literally just that that kind of the windows are high enough basically 00:47:19
that's that, that's. 00:47:22
So then this is a, this is a. This is still a full height feeling, but we needed an egress packet off of that door. So it comes 00:47:29
out, there's an internal stair and then a little door just pops out on the backside, so you can't really see it. And so this was a 00:47:35
way to then create a way to get literally get out without having the. 00:47:40
Next year, is there issue with somebody then planning on using it like that? 00:47:47
You can fully find it, but we still have enough full Catholic faith that this whole bottom part accessible vestibule. 00:47:51
So we've also, I mean you're mentioning panic, we've also talked about it. It's just additional camera space. 00:47:58
Into that that way that is to be used. 00:48:07
If you go to the plan view. 00:48:14
Explain how that yeah so if you go to the upper floor. 00:48:20
Go up. 00:48:27
Yeah, so this is still the exit out, but this acts as like a platform above and then this air comes out and then there's just a 00:48:31
small walk for that then allows you to get out onto this. 00:48:36
But again the the two things we were looking at here is on the first once we get exterior stair. 00:48:41
And we started asking ourselves what are all the issues that we have an exterior stair that. 00:48:46
We don't necessarily want people entering or anything like that. 00:48:52
Of that first thing we had, OK, well, you know everything from, well, it's a cool scare that has a great view of the sunset, so. 00:48:55
In the evening, you're gonna find like five or six people just hanging out there now, right? How do we then create a closed cases 00:49:03
there that's out but then doesn't have issues with the public? 00:49:07
And so that's when we came up with this. 00:49:12
Where it's like it's enclosed but there's a second level and then there's the bottom level and the two are separated. 00:49:15
So that you don't have the issues of a public space. 00:49:21
And then having access to a private space and that confusion, should I go there or I'm assuming that that scared the door at the 00:49:24
bottom here is going to be a sealed door? Yeah, With no handle. No handle. 00:49:30
Yeah, yeah. Only pushes out, right? So there's no doubt. No handle, handle, nothing, right? 00:49:38
And then that's why we also wanted to do this in the planting and we screened this door from the street. 00:49:44
So when you're walking down here, it just kind of disappeared. 00:49:49
And then you're you're kind of like you just scribe your attention, continue down all the way. 00:49:52
I like this option on this. 00:50:01
Yeah. 00:50:08
Well, thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Thank you. 00:50:14
Yeah, right. 00:50:20
It's been a problem that. 00:50:25
More than one way. 00:50:30
On top of. 00:50:33
First round. 00:50:38
2 million. 00:50:40
Right now. 00:50:43
So. 00:50:45
Something like this? 00:50:48
Or something like that. 00:50:51
So I mean we have about 10 million. 00:50:53
And on. 00:50:56
Right. 00:50:59
We have some fun. 00:51:01
Maybe. 00:51:04
I don't know that I'm. 00:51:09
Thanks. 00:51:10
Alright. 00:51:14
That's all. 00:51:17
Trying to get. 00:51:29
Important part of this This is not just 15. 00:51:31
We're gonna do this. Let's make sure we get the right. 00:51:35
Office equipment. 00:51:38
Right. 00:51:43
I will. 00:51:46
But. 00:51:47
You do have that. 00:51:48
100. 00:51:50
Places where different funding to in the process. 00:51:51
So I will. 00:51:56
We've got. 00:51:58
You got? 00:52:01
We met. 00:52:02
Up here. 00:52:04
So I think we just have to see. 00:52:06
But I think if we face that, if we have the Council. 00:52:09
Think a lot of, lot of. 00:52:12
We're doing this. 00:52:15
Question. 00:52:16
Or if they say. 00:52:19
Close. 00:52:21
Take this. 00:52:22
You're hearing. 00:52:24
Internal. 00:52:27
Without. 00:52:28
And part of, again like representative of the series of discrete areas as part of the. 00:52:31
Legitimately may actually want to say that regardless of. 00:52:39
Just as an organization by phasing it in this public phase. 00:52:44
By just understanding. 00:52:50
People really don't have to discuss anymore, and from your citizens, they always know where you're going, right? I think that's 00:52:54
the most disruptive thing. 00:52:58
Mill Creek citizens, so. 00:53:05
Then they split. 00:53:07
Temporary. 00:53:12
There's a whole like 631 period where like they're not going for what because they had to. 00:53:12
And. 00:53:21
Because of your challenge, right? And so. 00:53:22
We were hoping to show you discreetly like. 00:53:26
Areas actually done. 00:53:29
But also. 00:53:33
Kind of. 00:53:34
Issue. 00:53:37
But when you first want to say, well, you know, we understand. 00:53:39
And then? 00:53:48
Alright. 00:53:58
Any other issues? 00:54:00
OK, that's good. OK, let's move on to this session of public hearing. 00:54:03
And. 00:54:09
The landscape Ordinance. 00:54:12
You might. 00:54:15
My 150 got that, John? 00:54:17
Of nothing in the documents. 00:54:22
That comes from 30 district. 00:54:24
In terms of the. 00:54:27
That just addresses the new development. 00:54:30
But then according to this document, kind of. 00:54:33
A summary document or is that kind of? 00:54:36
This is a summary from What the division? 00:54:39
Except for you. 00:54:42
Not now. 00:54:44
You heard from public comment today only practicing problems. Yeah, that's not how it works. 00:54:45
Right, that's what my question was is I was looking at this. This implies. 00:54:50
You only. 00:54:54
But then ordinance language has new plus. 00:54:56
Redevelopment with extra textbook for change or. 00:54:59
Yeah. And then are those together or are we? 00:55:03
Are we having more triggers than more than required in the centers together? 00:55:07
And they addressed what the Conservancy districts called new construction. 00:55:14
OK, so so we aren't out of sync with what they're reading. So we're looking at new construction, building addition situation. 00:55:19
Your house or office? 00:55:28
It was full. 00:55:31
Language. 00:55:34
OK. So we're not going above and beyond now in this number? 00:55:36
Language says you residential commercial use of construction. 00:55:41
This resulted in our own addition here construction. 00:55:47
Probably. 00:55:51
That language that is proposed right now? 00:55:55
Division Four. 00:56:00
David accepted this. 00:56:02
In this especially. 00:56:06
And John Lewis at this. 00:56:13
Support. 00:56:18
Thank you. 00:56:20
There's probably. 00:56:21
35 or so homes a year that would qualify as a new construction. 00:56:22
That. 00:56:31
I'd like to see you. 00:56:43
Hi there. 00:56:46
The price. 00:56:48
This. 00:56:51
Couple of. 00:56:57
Additional steps you have normally taken. 00:56:58
Especially requiring. 00:57:03
Enforce the parameters. 00:57:15
Those are directly related to. 00:57:22
State. 00:57:25
Remove municipalities ability to bond for private influence. Normally we would bond for compliance. 00:57:27
Installation. 00:57:37
But just can't do that any longer. 00:57:39
Full on Force. 00:57:47
To take. 00:57:57
To you. 00:58:02
The initial review would be Park Park. 00:58:05
Problem is solved. 00:58:08
Additional. 00:58:11
152. 00:58:13
Order. 00:58:15
And also review what? 00:58:21
1st. 00:58:25
Out front of their property. 00:58:30
1. 00:58:33
Move it all. 00:58:34
Type. 00:58:37
And going back and forth with architect. 00:58:41
Additional layer. 00:58:47
Something. 00:58:52
Because we're already in the states with turn around. 00:58:55
So. 00:59:02
They have here to. 00:59:03
So what happened? 00:59:10
It hasn't been put in. 00:59:12
I mean, is there something that you got his department would check on? 00:59:15
Yeah. 00:59:19
So similar to this one violation. 00:59:20
What has not been installed? 00:59:24
Please. 00:59:27
This. 00:59:30
And then this really violation after that sort of maximum. 00:59:31
Feel. 00:59:45
So he had estimated about $12,000 in additional staffing costs. 00:59:47
Yeah. 00:59:59
So and then as to what's in recommended by the Planning Commission. 01:00:04
Really are? 01:00:10
The option because with the caption now is what steps. 01:00:14
Because. 01:00:22
Example of. 01:00:41
The types of. 01:00:44
Right. 01:00:47
Sorry. 01:00:49
They're nothing new construction that the model piece. 01:00:51
Sort of. Kind of. 01:00:56
Scenarios that. 01:00:58
Next song? 01:01:00
Yeah, so I I I support the effort and I want to find a way to to vote yes on this, but I also want to make sure we're not. 01:01:02
You know someone you know? 01:01:14
Probably someone remodeled their kitchen, but the new flooring capability right now and suddenly after. 01:01:17
Are there parameters that would? 01:01:27
Seems unrelated to the landscaping, but then all of a sudden I'm I'm outside of some grandfather thing for. 01:01:30
Marking my kitchen. Next thing you know, I gotta read my parts. 01:01:36
I did. 01:01:46
So. 01:01:48
And the draft text here for me too. 01:01:49
Single household duplex. 01:01:51
Growth score area of the improvements are changing modified for standard by 50%. So fix your own home if you've lived in your 01:01:55
model fit more than 50% of your model for we extend. 01:02:01
Then you. 01:02:10
Right. 01:02:13
But you're gonna see it added 50%. 01:02:14
More you talk about, more it's just. 01:02:16
Changing within the footprint, that could be something that we could do with. 01:02:19
Really. 01:02:23
You're you're. You're you're. You're into the house. Really. 01:02:26
By definition, the building of new construction triggers that language, but if it's really, it's still seeing expansion of what 01:02:30
the property is. 01:02:34
And that's where I was most uncomfortable, where what wasn't in. 01:02:39
If you were expanding your footprint. 01:02:42
By that much, yeah. I think I can see that potentially disruption but. 01:02:45
But if it's just. 01:02:50
If modified, changed. 01:02:52
And not changing the book, man. 01:02:54
That could or something. 01:02:57
My landscaping. Ohh yeah what? 01:02:59
And so is that. 01:03:02
Modifiable about messing up our people. 01:03:04
Yeah, we could. 01:03:12
Do that. That might be much more comfortable. 01:03:14
That need to trigger. 01:03:17
Trigger this. 01:03:19
It's something relatively unrelated. 01:03:21
We could use that. 01:03:27
And. 01:03:30
Would you have to go through another? 01:03:32
You know you're you're moving from, you know, heading to the draft system, alright? 01:03:34
Yeah, I think that'll be good. 01:03:45
Yeah. 01:03:47
Are expanded. 01:03:49
Change. 01:03:52
That's on on item one and two. 01:03:56
Yeah. 01:03:59
Yes. 01:04:05
Can you speak? 01:04:07
You know. 01:04:12
Removal of of lawn treatment. 01:04:16
As much or more appropriately. 01:04:21
Yeah, I go about that with myself for. 01:04:23
We already have 3. 01:04:27
Preservation. 01:04:29
Essentially. 01:04:32
We're starting to see as. 01:04:43
Similar to what? 01:04:46
With the structure. 01:04:49
For. 01:04:51
And the traditional library. 01:04:52
Bonus. 01:04:56
This is no. 01:04:58
Treason. 01:05:02
Vision. 01:05:04
Itself. 01:05:05
In in our. 01:05:08
That's. 01:05:13
So. 01:05:17
That's the view of. 01:05:18
Make sure that. 01:05:23
What happens after that? 01:05:26
Right. 01:05:32
They're problematic. 01:05:40
Touché. 01:05:46
And also to comment. 01:05:53
Is between. 01:06:00
Yes. 01:06:04
I think what what you say is that. 01:06:06
The only concern we have is higher education. 01:06:11
Yeah. 01:06:16
Light up the graphics. 01:06:20
You can't, Yeah, you can't see. 01:06:24
Walking. 01:06:27
So we already have. 01:06:32
Again. 01:06:35
Graph. 01:06:43
Any idea what you said? 01:06:52
You have the. 01:06:58
Infusion of death. 01:07:00
4. 01:07:08
So. 01:07:10
Well. 01:07:12
I don't know what's what, what's what's needed, so everything is. 01:07:14
Let's see here. 01:07:23
Push your side. 01:07:31
Purchased. 01:07:36
Period. 01:07:38
Session. You're dropping the features. 01:07:43
You have three wife. 01:07:52
Holy water. 01:07:56
Conservation program. 01:08:00
They don't use. 01:08:06
This is how the water there's there are three. 01:08:10
Small. 01:08:15
And he turned. 01:08:24
Yeah, relative to the others. 01:08:26
Yeah. 01:08:32
Both retired, yeah. 01:08:39
There's there's no element where. 01:08:52
Your staff needs to chime in or validate or bless the application of these retakes, right? You just have to have. 01:08:55
Cortana. 01:09:03
Place there. 01:09:05
Making them do their thing. 01:09:06
And frankly, the rebate. 01:09:09
And then? 01:09:13
You guys. 01:09:15
Are triggered only on the new construction piece. 01:09:16
Not on, On. 01:09:20
Random. 01:09:22
Let's go ahead and get involved. 01:09:24
So it's just. 01:09:29
You're only your actions, only triggered when you do have these circumstances. 01:09:30
Quiet hours. 01:09:38
Yeah. 01:09:41
Very good. 01:09:47
Moving on then. 01:09:56
Looks. 01:09:58
Alright, we'll get back to you on that. 01:10:00
Did you? Yeah, You're still up I guess or. 01:10:06
Circulation. 01:10:12
Yeah. 01:10:15
So to review and provide information more holistic manner, I'm going to serve preservation campaign what does? 01:10:17
What options are for? 01:10:31
Preservation advisory boards and what other cities are doing. So first question that we've put forth the council based on what 01:10:35
provided. 01:10:41
Search attention is is difficult coming from both the legal side. 01:10:49
Correct, correct. 01:10:55
The question of what? What types of options would you have to research further? 01:11:00
Why would you let me have that back? So essentially what this step was giving you is what's the state store? 01:11:06
Versus. 01:11:15
Our application. 01:11:18
What that does is the state level. 01:11:20
But also. 01:11:23
This guidance avoiding support preservation. 01:11:27
Who they are essentially, I think one of the biggest number for holiday is that you don't have. 01:11:32
You definitely do. It's how address added to that. 01:11:40
Is. 01:11:45
About 2016. 01:11:48
That that process title 2, which is the governing section, Section 1. 01:11:52
In a way. 01:12:01
Presentation. 01:12:09
1. 01:12:12
The ability of creating properties to City Council for adding to the list. 01:12:14
That. 01:12:20
It wouldn't take that, I would say a policy decision. 01:12:23
OK. 01:12:28
And with the tech. 01:12:30
So at the point right now if that property is on. 01:12:37
Currently in athletic. 01:12:43
Request the Commission. 01:12:47
To modify, just. 01:12:50
Even have you saved? 01:12:52
That's generally the property owner, not some third parties that I go over here. 01:13:00
Probably right. 01:13:07
I'm going to apply for that for that scenario, which does include demolition. 01:13:12
All preservation business, state, national level about the property rights to Algeria. 01:13:20
So it's primarily opportunity for them to have experiences within the zone. 01:13:33
Variances of some sort because of historic versus restriction enhanced. 01:13:40
Changing your broccoli or making it not his work. 01:13:46
Right. And that's. 01:13:50
That's the reason why this property is that patients. 01:13:53
Because they're adding additional rights to that property may not be already enjoyed. 01:13:58
Right. 01:14:06
So it's not actually a preservation ordinance per say, it's a. 01:14:09
Special use sort of thing for the guys in historic. 01:14:16
And advertisers orchestration, but it doesn't actually give any to. 01:14:23
Directly. 01:14:28
Preserve or restrict? Not necessarily, but it does allow property owners to obtain some additional economic value, the Navy agency 01:14:28
to keep the party maintained. 01:14:34
Issues properties. 01:14:41
The bottom line is it doesn't protect that property. 01:14:46
OK, good. 01:14:50
Right, mind you if it's. 01:14:51
All this mess. 01:14:54
He gives the property owner an opportunity to capture tax credits if they. 01:14:57
Here they initiate. 01:15:04
Improvement. 01:15:07
That are approved by. 01:15:08
The governing body that issues tax rates. 01:15:10
But it doesn't and that's working my whole point all along. 01:15:14
And in your report here you say. 01:15:18
History. 01:15:20
Saying maybe demolished, reconstructed private property owners can do whatever they want with that. 01:15:22
They just lose their right to get tax credit right and so. 01:15:28
In the brick house. 01:15:34
Have good housing on our list? 01:15:39
They would need to have with condition. 01:15:41
Convert knowledge that says. 01:15:46
Yeah. 01:15:55
Because. 01:16:00
Great. 01:16:02
Very significant loss. 01:16:04
So who decides what property form that was? Who? Who decided those four properties on the list they were? 01:16:13
They did not need the approval of the property owners and the kind that I know. I'm not sure what the process will help. 01:16:24
Put on that. 01:16:33
Initiated by the property owner and council. Wasn't supposed to council. 01:16:38
I don't think that's the way it happened, I think. 01:16:43
I think there was simply a list of. 01:16:46
The story of the Council of China. 01:16:48
We just listed historic properties that we compiled. 01:16:51
We put them on the on the list, but because we weren't. 01:16:55
I don't believe we were burdening. 01:17:00
The property at that time, I don't think we were putting restrictions. 01:17:03
Pretty firm on top, but I don't think we were putting. 01:17:06
It wasn't anything close to him thinking. 01:17:10
We we were not putting restrictions on development or properties, we were simply giving them. 01:17:13
You know A, A. 01:17:19
Application you're getting your designation and perhaps the option to have the benefits. 01:17:22
Right. 01:17:28
My understanding is there were initializations. 01:17:29
I think that the very first they were. 01:17:32
More than likely City initiated. I think the property owners were aware. 01:17:36
But I think they were city initiated. 01:17:41
After those initial determinations, I think there are changes and shifts in the ordinance and I don't think it was just one. I 01:17:44
think we had a couple of different iterations, one of those. 01:17:48
Added. 01:17:53
What I would call. 01:17:54
Loosen the restrictions. 01:17:57
That required. 01:17:59
That condition is for the city before you can demand. 01:18:02
Something on that list, right? 01:18:05
And then the designation process was removed. 01:18:09
And my understanding about that designation process being removed is that we had a couple of council members who were really 01:18:12
uncomfortable with the way that was written. 01:18:16
And there was a suggestion to that original part of the ordinance that the property owner didn't have seat destination, but 01:18:21
somebody else could have requested the city designated property. 01:18:26
They didn't know. 01:18:32
Or control would have authority to find. 01:18:33
That was really uncomfortable for that council at that point. That's why that part came out of the ordinance. 01:18:36
I don't know what the intent was, to revisit or not to revisit. 01:18:42
Right. 01:18:46
That's kind of the way I understand the iterations. 01:18:47
I I do think. 01:18:51
That. 01:18:53
Part of our ordinance right now. 01:18:54
That. 01:18:57
Sort of tacitly requires. 01:18:58
A conditional use permit to demolish or make significant operations to structure. 01:19:02
Is a restriction that is. 01:19:08
Common in these ordinances. 01:19:10
The formatting ours that sort of conditional use permit process type that way. 01:19:13
They speak. 01:19:19
Legally, just a little uneasy. 01:19:21
We haven't applied that in a way that concerns me. 01:19:23
That I've seen that causes they were concerned. 01:19:26
With that structure with a little bit concerned. 01:19:29
Because the way it could be applied potential. 01:19:32
Alright, it seems like we have some. 01:19:37
There's a structure here, but there's no doorway. 01:19:42
And and that's true, there's no because it makes this sort of. 01:19:46
There's no work next move exactly. 01:19:50
You know, what I would say is if somebody came to you right now and that's the designation. 01:19:53
And there's their properties, their structure, their site is historic. 01:19:58
Even without a process in your city code. 01:20:02
If it breaks. 01:20:06
Everything. 01:20:08
So. 01:20:09
To say there's not a way to do it, nobody can. 01:20:10
It would just be a resolution regarding that action. 01:20:14
To declare it now, would it be helpful? If you want to continue on this course, that's your choice for policy standpoint. Would we 01:20:18
suggest something more formal? Sure. 01:20:23
Yeah, but. 01:20:29
Here about what you want to do. 01:20:31
Good job setting. Yeah, sort of. 01:20:35
The scope of what you can do from the policy standpoint. 01:20:38
Even if we were to say where we are right now is fine. 01:20:43
I would be more comfortable if the basic changes to our ordinance that in the land use part of it please. 01:20:48
I'll do that process and then. 01:20:54
Well, I I think the question of. 01:21:04
Direction. 01:21:08
I don't know about that. 01:21:09
About your your land use concerns and how the ocean impact the change structure to the pool there. 01:21:12
Tell you what I would I'd like to take it out of this permit process altogether. That's a square banging around in my opinion, 01:21:18
alright. 01:21:22
And. 01:21:28
I would like. 01:21:30
And I think China would really appreciate some pretty clear direction on. 01:21:32
Do you wanna put? 01:21:37
I guess I would say big. 01:21:40
Fairly conservatively, tide restrictions. 01:21:42
Demolition Department. 01:21:45
Yeah, where do you want to put? 01:21:48
Some. 01:21:50
Additional review restrictions on. 01:21:52
Structural alterations that affect. 01:21:56
Historic portion of the structure exterior. 01:21:59
Interior. 01:22:02
Overall site. 01:22:04
And then? 01:22:06
There is a state code process that that is made a certain area. 01:22:08
As a historic area. 01:22:14
Do you care about having anything in your code about that? I'll just. 01:22:17
To my head and say I think the state code is adequate for that purpose. I don't think you need to worry about doing something 01:22:21
additional performance and then the last thing that. 01:22:27
Has always concerned me. 01:22:33
No matter how well you do, it will always concern you legally. 01:22:36
Is. 01:22:40
Establishment of. 01:22:42
Historic Preservation Authority. 01:22:44
Outside of the City Council are playing. 01:22:47
A whole different. 01:22:51
That will always. 01:22:53
Be a cause for concern. 01:22:55
Hey, as hard as we try. 01:22:59
And as everyone is. 01:23:03
As much respect as we give the private property rights. 01:23:05
What we. 01:23:09
Yeah. 01:23:11
City, committee or body? 01:23:12
That is, you know. 01:23:14
Focus on. 01:23:17
At the ticular element for the duty. 01:23:19
That's beyond the broad planning scope. 01:23:22
We're always looking for people that have a particular expertise in an area. 01:23:26
In which you tend to get. 01:23:31
You know. 01:23:33
There anybody show me a city that hasn't gone through this some point? 01:23:35
What you tend to get are people with particular passion for the subject. 01:23:39
Then you overcook, yes. 01:23:43
Yeah, that. I mean that those are all fair characterizations for my experience, but unfortunately. 01:23:47
And. 01:23:52
Those battles are hard. 01:23:54
They're hard internally at city level. 01:23:57
To try and. 01:23:59
Florida. 01:24:00
Well, folks, back to a real, true administrative role. 01:24:02
As opposed to, you know, they want to make policy. 01:24:06
Yeah. 01:24:09
When they have suggestions because they're professional people, they're passionate. 01:24:10
And you have a different view. That creates a big difficult stage. 01:24:15
So I think those are all things you just need to think about and you start considering the festival city holiday is. 01:24:22
Historic community. 01:24:30
But I think it's smart district really no. And I think it's also appropriate to step back and say. 01:24:34
What's the nature of our history? 01:24:42
And are we trying to preserve? 01:24:44
But you know, that's three area. 01:24:46
You know a neighborhood. 01:24:49
And if not then. 01:24:53
What's the appropriate way? 01:24:54
I don't like, I don't know. 01:24:58
Policymaker. 01:25:00
This is not legal advice, totally council. 01:25:01
Then approach that. 01:25:06
Waves to you. 01:25:09
As policymakers. 01:25:10
Decisions on what happens to historic properties and not in the grand scheme because the stairs go. 01:25:16
Who owns it but? 01:25:23
Are we done with fully demolition for 30 days and allow somebody to go into document structure and then we're just trying to take 01:25:25
it down? 01:25:28
Are you going to get a lot of process where we might consider uses beyond those established in his own? 01:25:33
To. 01:25:39
So he wants to leave his work structure the way it is, and we're doing adaptive reuse, right? 01:25:40
Those things all are great. 01:25:46
And I love seeing them at your level. 01:25:49
I think there's tremendous wisdom in a community like this. 01:25:53
Doing it that way. 01:25:56
That's kind of where your ordinance is pointed. We have a square peg in around on some of our procedures and what we call it and 01:25:58
why we do it. 01:26:02
But in terms of. 01:26:05
Sort of. I guess the place where your ordinance rests and the overall scheme of historic preservation. 01:26:07
I do kind of like where you are. 01:26:14
So. 01:26:19
In terms of process, you think or path forward actually decide. 01:26:21
What their level of excitement about the issue overall? 01:26:28
Right. 01:26:33
And. 01:26:34
You know our. 01:26:37
I know we're going through some of these processes are very similar issues. Where we? 01:26:38
Kind of have. 01:26:42
Yeah, survey questions that kind of help us identify our. 01:26:44
Our policy. 01:26:49
Directions towards vision. We're dealing with something so complex. 01:26:50
It seems like the overall questions we. 01:26:55
And they ask our. 01:26:58
You know. 01:26:59
Should any historic what? What does historic designation look like? What's supposed to do and who gets to decide? It is actually 01:27:01
initiated by property owners There Pepper instance where? 01:27:07
Well that might concern is is when we put that script and we have. 01:27:12
People other than the property owner deciding what's historical enough circle, because that's. 01:27:18
I don't know. And so that that part really thought we did any. 01:27:25
Well, here's what I do. Here's what I do feel strongly about that. 01:27:29
You know. 01:27:33
But there's a. 01:27:35
Parking here then? 01:27:36
Just trying very clearly what the role of this work Commission. 01:27:38
And it's education and it's. 01:27:44
You know. 01:27:46
It's focused on that. I think one of the problems we want to track, we've been trying to resolve this. 01:27:47
They're getting outside of their lane in terms of what they're doing, something outside of the lane and deciding. 01:27:52
What's? What's historical and how should be preserved and he should preserve it. That's not the role of the Historical Commission. 01:27:58
And we need to finish, continue to refocus them on what they're supposed to do. 01:28:05
And then? 01:28:10
This issue of. 01:28:11
Designating. 01:28:14
Pieces of property as being atheistical significance beneath a whole nother. 01:28:16
Whole other issue and I'm very uncomfortable with this because I just think it's a tough. 01:28:22
You know, and I know I talked to Gina down a little bit earlier about it. 01:28:29
Ohh happy to see somebody bringing me. 01:28:32
A. In a city waterside. 01:28:36
Hey. 01:28:39
On whatever you call it, it does this kind of work where it's been really successful. 01:28:40
And what they do and what their shoulders, because I'm an artist. 01:28:45
Wrapping my head around how that even works. 01:28:49
Yes. 01:28:53
Education pieces but if we have a body that wants to go and. 01:28:56
Document. 01:28:59
Pieces of. 01:29:00
Property inside the city that they. 01:29:01
In the same historically significant. 01:29:04
As an education tool for property owners and. 01:29:08
Helping them. 01:29:11
Designate that if they want to designate that, no problem with that. Maybe they should be more democratic as you. 01:29:12
Ohh yeah I mean and have the property owner, right? But they have. 01:29:20
To designate that body outside of the historical Commission has now going out and trying to. 01:29:24
Through ordinance and comfort somebody. 01:29:31
Private property. 01:29:34
To me, basically. Really. 01:29:35
Ohh. 01:29:37
In covering or. 01:29:42
Doing their thing sort of situation or yeah. 01:29:44
But I think that. 01:29:49
Is if the property owner wants to. 01:29:52
Apply for some historic designation. 01:29:56
In order to. 01:29:58
You know, have historic uses. 01:30:00
And plumbers their own property that may require some. 01:30:03
Variance or to the rights that are that are already? 01:30:07
In there. 01:30:10
There's no destination, but there's a process to do that. But that's property owner initiative. 01:30:11
And even if we don't create that doorway just by resolution, they they bring it to 1 route one of us and then we work with Todd to 01:30:19
to then inform the resolution. 01:30:24
You know, right that there's a process. We have the ability for citizens, property owners. 01:30:30
To do that, I agree. I certainly don't want to have. 01:30:35
Some third party. 01:30:38
And, you know, zealous. 01:30:40
Trying to work. 01:30:43
You know, trying to intimidate some property owner to change their. 01:30:46
You know, frankly some of these, some of the folks who have. 01:30:52
Wanted to press for. 01:30:56
Don't bought that property in return on their property. 01:30:59
And also themselves that arguments are only in their own time leader. 01:31:02
Another good example is the Britain House, which has created a lot of this emotional. 01:31:07
You know, discussion within the city. 01:31:13
You know well, if we feel so strongly about it when we buy the house. 01:31:16
Right. And preserve it. And people had zero. 01:31:21
Because. 01:31:25
We know what to do with it and we've got to maintain it. 01:31:27
Has the homes that here and it's on this list, right? And it's just it's. 01:31:29
So you know, it's a hard issue, though I'm not excited about that into. 01:31:35
Into trying to put one this is in place that. 01:31:40
Have. 01:31:45
That third party is not, not even elected officials, but. 01:31:47
Party appointed by elected officials that then go. 01:31:51
And and and arbitrarily. 01:31:54
Somebody probably I'm just. 01:31:58
Yeah, you know that, Although I think it was not excited about this to have. 01:32:00
In the ordinance pathway for a property owner. 01:32:05
To request. 01:32:09
In your property on the list. 01:32:11
Because obviously, like like we pointed out, somebody could do it by. 01:32:13
You know. 01:32:18
Through the council or whatever. 01:32:19
That they may not know what that is the root. 01:32:21
And if if that process is spelled out in our ordinance. 01:32:25
And is narrow enough that we feel comfortable about it. I think it would be useful to have that just tell people who want to do it 01:32:30
and know that it's a possibility. 01:32:35
You know, I think that that process allows a certain permission to. 01:32:40
Educated partners interested in prisons that designation. 01:32:45
And then zero. By the way, here's the process. 01:32:49
System through the project process itself. 01:32:53
Because they have such despise. 01:32:56
Providing. 01:33:00
More comprehensive education in terms of properties inside the holiday city limits that they. 01:33:01
In the state historically, you know. 01:33:07
Property owner. 01:33:12
You know after that what they do. 01:33:13
But let me let me share a couple thoughts. 01:33:15
By the way, free report, this is, this is, this is a great piece for us to have in our records. 01:33:19
And really great discussion and clear war. 01:33:25
The council doesn't have an appetite to. 01:33:32
Jump into a really grow up preservation ordinance, But. 01:33:36
I've just just a couple of comments about the. 01:33:40
About the report and then about this whole issue. 01:33:43
First of all, we are really, really different from Salt Lake City Park City, which has. 01:33:46
Great distinct. 01:33:51
This area is. 01:33:53
Districts that are great candidates from overlay zone, we don't have that, we have. 01:33:54
We have some historic. 01:33:58
Homes here and there, we don't have any St. roots for Palms. 01:34:00
We might have a 18. 01:34:03
50 home next to the. 01:34:06
You know, 1960s financially. 01:34:07
And so it's it's very different, it's difficult to compare ourselves to those. We have a couple of hybrid other cities that. 01:34:11
You start thinking hybrid sort of like ours is a little different. 01:34:18
I think my biggest take away from the report spent a light bulb on my head is that in Salt Lake City, Park City and Grafton in in 01:34:21
the other. 01:34:25
Cities of Doom have a little more robust preservation ordinance that we have. 01:34:30
They have an historic preservation. 01:34:34
Body review board that is distinct. 01:34:37
From Historical Commission. 01:34:40
And and to me that's really key because. 01:34:42
I think I disagree. I I would disagree that that that our historical Commission has gotten outside its lane. I think they have. 01:34:45
They have run in their lane. We have some brief things happening. 01:34:52
With a lot of help from GN from especially Holly. 01:34:56
And you know there's there's a great direction right now in historical Commission in engagement and education and would be museum 01:34:59
piece. 01:35:04
Walk pieces coming and the grant money we've gotten. 01:35:08
So but I think it's I think it would be clear that. 01:35:11
To Historical Commission, it ought to be clear, and by the way, I shared this report with the Historical Commission today. They 01:35:15
had to read at night person to read it. 01:35:18
It particularly so that they. 01:35:23
That they they appreciate that even if we did go with a. 01:35:25
Robust preservation ordinance. 01:35:29
They would not be. 01:35:32
The historic preservation. 01:35:34
Body. 01:35:37
It would be we we would have to have a separate body that was. 01:35:38
I'm not saying we should, but if we did go with that way, we wouldn't want to have a body that is as careful. 01:35:43
And as meticulous as our Planning Commission and applying. 01:35:49
The standards so that we don't get into legal trouble because if we have our if we put an ordinance in place, by golly, if we. 01:35:53
Didn't follow it? Really. We're gonna buy a lawsuit. 01:36:00
And so I think my biggest concerns about having a really robust issue, first of all legal and constitutional issues. 01:36:03
I don't wanna see it anywhere close through taking. 01:36:10
Of property. 01:36:13
And and I'm also concerned about related. 01:36:15
Issues. 01:36:18
Of insurance coverage. 01:36:19
Would we be killed by the government? 01:36:22
The local government trust if we. 01:36:25
Put it bonus inflation in our. 01:36:27
Review Board messed up. 01:36:30
We're going to have to bear the cost ourselves. We're going to have, you know, this big constitutional law lawsuit. I'm really 01:36:32
concerned about that. 01:36:36
I was also, I've had a little bit of sticker shock reading the report of if we did go robust in the way that Salt Lake City, Park 01:36:40
City are. 01:36:44
We would probably be looking at $110,000 annual FTE cost. 01:36:48
For planning. 01:36:54
Personnel who were expert in these in historical planning. 01:36:57
And and but right now anyway, I can't see that we're we're saving our pennies because we don't know what's gonna happen with PD. I 01:37:01
just can't see spending $110,000 a year. 01:37:07
To protect 11 homes or Tech 12 homes. 01:37:13
10 grand a year for each home. 01:37:16
I'm I'm also really opposed to ordinances which would burden private property and. 01:37:20
So, so I really, I really like what the talks of though that we should clean up. We do have some anomalies in our. 01:37:25
Ordinance and maybe even the general plan that we are cleaning out, make sure they're internally consistent. 01:37:33
So I I would, I would think that would be at a minimum something we ought to. 01:37:39
We ought to do. 01:37:43
I would also support time restrictions if that's if if it's. 01:37:45
He's a bullfighter. Restrictions on demolition or. 01:37:49
Conditional use permits so we can document history. I think that would be. 01:37:52
A great thing and. 01:37:56
And I would definitely support that. 01:37:58
Having a stronger ordinance where where owners themselves could claim. 01:38:01
Some kind of a privileged development incentives or density policies. 01:38:06
You know, relief from off street parking requirements, that kind of thing. 01:38:11
And as Bruce said, you know to to provide for owners of Halfway. 01:38:15
To designate your own homes as short. 01:38:20
Structures. 01:38:23
But not have it imposed from either by the City Council or by some. 01:38:25
Independent, semi independent body that we appoint. 01:38:31
So anyway, that's the way I look at it and I I but I I don't I don't think I'm on board to. 01:38:35
Go full bore, Salt Lake City. 01:38:40
Park City. 01:38:43
Preservation ordinance. I just don't think it's the city our size and. 01:38:44
Where we are and with the the costs and the legal issues, I'm just very uncomfortable about. 01:38:49
Got anything close to a constitutional taking of property? 01:38:55
But, but I definitely think we should clean up the ordinance and we should maybe even see if we could put some things in that 01:38:59
would. 01:39:02
Held all to give a pathway to honors. 01:39:05
And maybe even have a a pause on demolition while, you know, history document and that kind of thing. That's what I would support. 01:39:09
Alright. 01:39:21
I agree. 01:39:21
Yes. 01:39:23
That's my comment. 01:39:24
During your time, John's in your role, have you had any instances where people come to you? 01:39:26
You know, wanting to make a change. 01:39:32
Yeah. 01:39:34
Were designated with this order. 01:39:35
That they couldn't couldn't because of the messages that were designed. 01:39:37
Where they could, I guess. 01:39:42
There. 01:39:46
Nice to see that providing our, our, our residents. 01:39:47
You had the time when prior to the ability of the successive. 01:39:54
Now the most properties are allowed to have those accessory apartments on the property that would have been ability to have that 01:40:00
extra income cash flow. 01:40:04
Yes, probably another thing. 01:40:11
There is a long list of additional land uses that are allowed for property pursuit. 01:40:17
Are useful people always encouraged property conceptually? Specifically the? 01:40:24
Tonight, the big victory at home this morning. 01:40:31
That the location is right there inside. 01:40:35
And when that property changed hands, they wanted to go through a significant remodel. 01:40:39
Certain persons that may pursue some of these other ideas so they can keep that property. 01:40:44
Whatever being is small. 01:40:50
Shop right next to it. 01:40:53
Very. 01:40:57
Social use. 01:40:59
That's. 01:41:01
Active community that allows. 01:41:02
Grace. 01:41:06
7. 01:41:06
Sense of place for that location. 01:41:08
Yeah, see that? 01:41:11
Really. 01:41:14
We have 11 cases where we had that discussion that. 01:41:17
That's the point where they actually need to apply for anything. 01:41:20
Everyone downstairs. I might have someone pursuing historic designation. 01:41:24
Otherwise it's running all property. 01:41:30
That's right. 01:41:32
Something. 01:41:36
You got just quick clarification too. 01:41:38
Outside the wrong choice of words. 01:41:40
It was just I. 01:41:44
You know, there's these five. 01:41:46
Points in the document that. 01:41:48
That dictate what the role of the Storable Commission is. 01:41:51
With that, I totally agree with. 01:41:55
It just seemed to me like with the Britain thing. 01:41:56
It goes outside of what that function is. 01:42:00
Everyone has different discussion amongst the council. I'd like to see everybody focused just on that. 01:42:04
A lot of great progress in the Commission of doing a lot of great stuff with this year and I don't want that Britain thing came up 01:42:11
I had. 01:42:15
And numerous discussions over repeated being and focusing on these five things, I think. 01:42:20
I think there were individual Commissioners who were in their personal activity. 01:42:26
Group, passionate about it, which is great, yeah. But I kept emphasizing to them, you cannot take a position. 01:42:31
On a land use development, you are you are officers of the city. 01:42:39
And this is outside your your purview. 01:42:44
To take any kind of official position. So do not. This probably shouldn't be discussed in your. 01:42:48
Your Commission meetings and. 01:42:53
Shouldn't take any kind of action or resolution or anything like that. 01:42:54
And I think they all guys. 01:42:58
Yeah, I also reinforced, you know, that they didn't need to get up there. 01:43:00
Right. 01:43:03
Correct. 01:43:05
As far as citizens and all of that's true but but it was not something that purview of their exactly so so yeah, so. 01:43:07
You have one more that was considering resigning. 01:43:14
So he couldn't short make those comments. Yeah, I told you. I told him the same thing. 01:43:17
And just, you know, you you, you're doing a fantastic job with everything on the education and engagement piece. 01:43:23
But yeah, it is. It is. 01:43:30
Something that we need to be very careful about, as she talked about in the Said that you don't want. 01:43:32
We don't want to have one of our boards or commissions freelancing in. 01:43:38
There is nor do we want Pregnancy Council in areas outside our group so. 01:43:44
Yeah. 01:43:49
Well, thank you. This has been I think a good discussion for us and I think we have some ideas on what to bring to you next. 01:43:51
In terms of timing that? 01:43:59
We've got that right? 01:44:03
And lower priority. 01:44:07
You got way more higher priority, but then you can do things. 01:44:09
This building thing. 01:44:13
Landscape. 01:44:15
Yeah. 01:44:16
Community our family come up to. 01:44:18
Yeah, this is. 01:44:21
It's just. 01:44:22
Character. 01:44:27
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not feeling the burn for next year. 01:44:33
Rapid. Thank you. Thanks. 01:44:36
Alright, moving on then, the third experience I think you have. 01:44:40
New line. 01:44:45
So when we've got some money for. 01:44:49
Yeah, I just wanna. 01:44:52
Cheese. 01:44:55
Contact. 01:44:59
And umm. 01:45:00
Give feedback on the document. 01:45:01
But doesn't remember we were able to secure $600,000 grant from College County for our historical credit experiences which is 01:45:04
fantastic. 01:45:09
And we're working with our consultant, Kathy Associates to secure information for that project as well. 01:45:13
But we are ready to reset our SP. 01:45:20
And there is a remote that goes beyond the track, including your package. But there's an expression that we wanted to provide as 01:45:22
part of that document to help communicate the vision. 01:45:28
And if. 01:45:35
Council Member David and Mayor Gina as well as. 01:45:36
And historical criticism, but the. 01:45:40
This list was based on that vetting process that we had a few months ago, so. 01:45:43
And. 01:45:48
What we're trying to do is just help communicate a different level with the vision of the project is this type of documents coming 01:45:49
in exhibit. 01:45:54
It's just another way to help. 01:45:59
And then what we're looking for. So what I wanted to do is just have a chance to get some feedback on that document. 01:46:01
If you all have other points of vision, we should activate. 01:46:09
If you don't like the working, if you don't like one of the points. 01:46:13
You can make edits and several questions. Also reviewed this document. 01:46:18
I also included. 01:46:22
Our Catherine solid are equal values and messages from our communication span. 01:46:24
So I'm going to read the list for this one if you have any comments you want to share with me, a happy day to take those or if you 01:46:30
have any questions to about. 01:46:34
That are P process from this document. Happy to answer those as well. 01:46:40
Sorry. 01:46:47
On the we, we've got the grant and you're doing this top of fundraising for additional. 01:46:50
What the presumption there in terms of? 01:46:57
Expand and and what? 01:47:00
We're back in the city, gonna have to kick in. 01:47:03
In addition to the grant not plus donations, yeah, it's a great question. So Internet application we have committed and we talked 01:47:07
about this with the City Council and $96,000 commitment from the general fund. 01:47:13
And then there's about four or $5000 in circulation is going from grace from bookshelves. 01:47:20
And then we were hoping everything about $150,000 at least termination. We do have a higher donation target just because. 01:47:25
And. 01:47:34
Extended our options we were looking at during the study would require that more money to get to the material. 01:47:35
And outputs that we typically have like rejection and stuff like that so. 01:47:41
To answer your questions and then $6000. 01:47:47
Can you talk about how we structure the are being so? 01:47:53
Yeah. 01:47:57
So the RFP structure, so in the studio with three elements that we identified as credit as included experience, we have historic 01:48:00
walk in the park. 01:48:04
We have displays here in City Hall, we have in our Community Center. So the way it's written that RFP is we have some flexibility 01:48:09
in how we. 01:48:13
Like that. 01:48:19
So anytime you wanna start with the study and the research. 01:48:20
Thinking about the story that we're gonna tell. But from there we can really face the project. So if we find we only have. 01:48:25
$850,000 to spend. We can scale the project to that number if we are able to raise more money than we could. 01:48:31
Implement another element of the project that we would have these plan so as we get money that they did and the RFP is written so 01:48:40
that we're just starting with that piece and now from the grant application. 01:48:47
Protections. 01:48:55
Right. 01:49:00
All right. Any other input from the Historical Commission? No problem. 01:49:03
Based on our discussion we had earlier and they didn't have any as it did anyone else have anything that we missed? 01:49:09
And then one last question. Is anyone interested in serving on our RFP selection committee? 01:49:18
Anyone on that and it's included in the packet? Yeah, one quick update, we are issuing the RFP now on Monday on the 21st instead 01:49:27
of this Friday. 01:49:31
And and then from there we're going to have a pre proposal meeting on the 30th of August which is just a chance for us to meet 01:49:36
with potential. 01:49:40
Firms that are interested in the project. 01:49:44
Then we'll have the final data questions, the deadline for the proposal and the September 18th. 01:49:47
The committee review would be the 18th to the 20th, 2nd of September. 01:49:52
And then we interviewed that back because September and then come back with a recommendation and hopefully get a contract signed. 01:49:57
Not. 01:50:05
Sandy. 01:50:07
Yeah, on the on the switch. 01:50:09
I'll be happy. 01:50:12
Yeah, yeah. 01:50:15
The only one on the Commission, 30 on it. 01:50:18
At this point, that's the point, yeah. 01:50:21
But we'll have other members definitely engaged in other projects. 01:50:26
Any. 01:50:31
Any kind of movie. However, they have only less people involved. 01:50:32
OK. 01:50:37
Thank you so much. So when you get that update. 01:50:38
Do you have any questions for you chapter? 01:50:41
Next time I'll follow you the easy work on this. 01:50:46
Jersey. 01:50:53
He could be back. OK, let's skip ahead then. 01:50:55
So I just wanted to give the couple a brief update on the progress with Granite School District and Spring Lane and and talk about 01:51:00
any. 01:51:04
Feedback you might have before we send them a letter that they asked for. 01:51:10
So it's, you know, springly closed in the spring. 01:51:16
8. 01:51:22
Hopefully for site in this search. 01:51:23
We had the council was initially hopeful that the school district would be first selling the property. 01:51:27
To us as as then we would have the first option purchase. 01:51:35
School districts indicated that that table not be selling the property but are open to all. 01:51:41
A long fish turned east. 01:51:48
Um. 01:51:51
I think it's not as long as I hoped. The kind of term that they are envisioning at this point is running at 25 years. 01:51:53
And so I wanted to ask you all if that is a long enough time period. 01:52:04
Or if we should, in our letter of intent, ask for a longer time period. 01:52:12
Just given or how that term might affect be in that time where you're going? 01:52:20
In that. 01:52:25
Here are some of my thoughts about. 01:52:28
I'm not concerned necessarily about the length of the reason we put 2025 years. I think it goes that far. 01:52:32
Could go much further. 01:52:39
But rather. 01:52:41
Yes, they are. 01:52:43
I would be shocked if they really wanted the property back. 01:52:45
For rebuilding the school because it's still working at his best. 01:52:50
We gentrify victorious. That's the right term. 01:52:56
COMMENTARY Lady Edward There's never been a need to. 01:53:00
And bring those back into the fold. 01:53:04
Right. I think it's gonna be a long time before they suddenly find the need to. 01:53:06
Rebuild some of there. The protections I think we should have though, would be. 01:53:10
Uh. 01:53:15
Yesterday off. 01:53:16
That they ought to rebuild a school there, OK? 01:53:19
I think that's a risk. 01:53:23
Happy, willing to take. 01:53:25
But if they were land banking? 01:53:27
And then they opted to sell, say, in 10 years. 01:53:30
That. 01:53:34
That's where we ask for super deductions for our investment. 01:53:35
Sorry about Arizona. 01:53:39
I mean. 01:53:41
So he. 01:53:42
So. 01:53:43
They still have to go through rezoning. 01:53:44
But. 01:53:49
I mean so they couldn't solve the developer. 01:53:50
Without, without but. 01:53:53
And I think in that situation, the protection of the statute doesn't change. We would still be protected by the state statute that 01:53:56
would need to be offered to us. 01:54:00
Right. But even then, we didn't. We couldn't afford them. 01:54:06
Because that's going to be very expensive. We already covered your item. 01:54:11
We skipped over here, but we'll come back. 01:54:19
Yeah, I mean, but still let us say for instance, we invested you know, three million, 5,000,000 bucks. 01:54:24
In part and energies here. 01:54:30
But the land is, you know, right now it's 1,000,000 bucks an acre. 01:54:32
You know and. 01:54:36
That's a change. 01:54:38
And we we couldn't. 01:54:42
Bring ourselves to buy it must be bought and then subdivided it and sold out. 01:54:43
You know. 01:54:47
Some of the acres, paper rust, that sort of thing but but but what I'd be worried about is, is that they're just land banking and 01:54:48
they and at any time. 01:54:53
Break the lease. 01:54:58
And leave us hanging behind Rock. 01:54:59
Without some sort of compensation. 01:55:02
If they shortcut now, if they need to land back to build a school, hit us as an public interest. 01:55:05
In that scenario. 01:55:13
Which is probably more likely. 01:55:15
Or if they have to come. 01:55:18
Put. 01:55:20
Target. 01:55:22
Appears you know, forcing the property. 01:55:23
Something happens when there's an earthquake or whatever. 01:55:26
That we have some protections in terms of. 01:55:30
The investment we made, that's. 01:55:32
Say. 01:55:35
Another place. 01:55:36
Cost or something like, well, if you come back in. 01:55:37
We got a 25 year relation. You come back in 10 years and say we have to take it back. 01:55:41
That we can recapture what we've invested? Yeah, for whatever reason. 01:55:45
Yeah, it's probably less than, yeah, of taking this actor. 01:55:49
For rebuilding school, yeah, we need to be. We need to have some assurance that we're afraid to go put. 01:55:53
$4 million into improving that to whatever the citizens. 01:56:01
Input is. 01:56:05
And they're obviously you have some sort of clause inside that lease that says. 01:56:07
Here are the circumstances where we're going to terminate this lease when we take the property back. 01:56:13
That we can recapture. 01:56:17
Our investment in the property. 01:56:19
Yeah. 01:56:22
Well, I couldn't appreciate, but we need to capture what we've invested 25 years seems short, I mean, Mike. 01:56:25
My experience is on the board of directors of the nonprofit. 01:56:32
We did a 40 year ground lease. 01:56:36
The part number solid city and then we we put. 01:56:39
Maybe half $1,000,000 that you. 01:56:42
A structure that's refugee structure. 01:56:44
We, we operate, yeah. 01:56:48
We we needed that amount because that's, I don't know, amortization is the right work is a nonprofit thing. But. 01:56:50
The life cycle of buildings in the public sector of improvements to your more than 25 years old, say 40 years probably. 01:56:56
A better use term. 01:57:03
Yeah, I'm not sure they're gonna care because. 01:57:07
They're going to have provisions inside the lease. 01:57:10
Where I thought not break but. 01:57:13
They're going to have triggers in there that say, yeah, we'll give you the lead, but. 01:57:17
In these certain under these circumstances. 01:57:21
We can take the property back or we can take a portion of that. They're not gonna do anything. Doesn't allow me to do that, 01:57:24
alright. 01:57:28
Anyway, and to be clear, we're not at the least student staff. I mean, kind of the way I'm seeing this happen and what we've 01:57:32
talked about with the school district is we would initiate this letter of intent. 01:57:37
And that would signal to our residents as the school district that we're gonna study this, we're gonna work on a conceptual plan. 01:57:43
I realized that I didn't include it in a sacred part of the cost of that and that will work, which we think will probably be in 01:57:51
the 50 to $75,000 range. 01:57:55
Will do a site survey and some predesigned work at the site. Will have. 01:58:01
Public engagement and stakeholder meetings. That's similar to the process that we use for Can You Send? 01:58:08
We'll finalize the design and. 01:58:14
Figure out how we're gonna pay for this. 01:58:17
And can't accomplish the soonest. I think one of the accomplishments for them is that they know we're serious about looking at 01:58:20
this property so. 01:58:26
Because that makes what sort of decision for them? 01:58:33
Whether it's offensive, often wanna grow weeds or. 01:58:36
Or what difference sprinklers off or? 01:58:39
What's the decision makers for them, you think? 01:58:42
Baptist 110. 01:58:45
Does for them. 01:58:47
It's better than just providing with some well piece of information and I think it was a piece of information. They've also said 01:58:48
they've committed to kind of maintaining the status quo while we go through this process. So I think that's the. 01:58:54
Watering and mowing and keeping the building in place just in case we want to use a portion of it or we want to use a portion of 01:59:03
it for because it's possible. 01:59:08
That. 01:59:13
Maybe the public will say, hey, we really want those in New York. Hope all works. 01:59:14
Even if we decide, we verify to do that. 01:59:20
They do have restrictions in place, so we might want to use a portion of of the building for that. 01:59:24
Uh. 01:59:31
I think for them it's just the idea that. 01:59:32
There's a reason for them to keep doing what they're doing, including leasing this space to Camp Soccer. 01:59:35
Teams. 01:59:44
While we figure out how we want to utilize this space. 01:59:45
Also, we need to verify the access and right now it's in heaven I can guess. 01:59:49
That's big. I mean it is hit. 01:59:54
The church might not want to have the public. 01:59:57
I mean, right now it's at school, it's basically used. 02:00:01
You know, during the week, but they might not want Brady people there on Sunday. They can't there. 02:00:05
Parking lots. 02:00:12
The school district here it is a an agreement. 02:00:15
And it's just kind of like. 02:00:19
That's correct. 02:00:24
These I don't know, you know, using some recorded. 02:00:27
For the next year. 02:00:30
So I agree with you. 02:00:32
Well. 02:00:36
So if you know what I mean, just interpret it now like always trying to do. 02:00:37
Having some agreement point, however interested. 02:00:42
And we want to proceed but but it gives us the points to start doing the actual lease right that can start to wake up. 02:00:46
Well, are there specific things you like from us right now that would be helpful in terms of constructing an outline? 02:00:53
And I'm hearing it that the term I'm hearing people ask for 40. 02:01:01
You know. 02:01:06
I would say no. You know that's me. You must be that I can see. 02:01:08
But it gives them time to respond to. 02:01:12
And then some just conceptual, OK with the cost of. 02:01:17
Don't work that we need to think once we execute in our life. So I probably would end up bringing you a budget amendment. 02:01:25
But would need to vision or pretty quickly to be able to meet those two year timeline that's just the detail for the say you're OK 02:01:33
with that because that's gonna cost you deserve that that's not part of the LY so. 02:01:40
Yeah. 02:01:48
That's basically. 02:01:50
Grants for and things like that. Just keep grants for or. To take two, we did a design build on. 02:01:53
Commute sentence. That's the kind of level of detail that we're anticipating. There's something the public is. 02:02:03
Watch for that, right? 02:02:10
And the alternatives are all kind of bad, right? We have maybe. 02:02:14
Alternatives to doing Congress Route? 02:02:18
Is that what we're seeing is that? 02:02:21
If we don't take control of the. 02:02:24
Grounds that just becomes a monster. 02:02:27
Habitat. 02:02:30
Yeah. 02:02:33
Yeah, having a 1020 year goose patches. 02:02:39
Thanks. 02:02:44
Positive. 02:02:47
The school district could look for someone else to lease. 02:02:49
If we weren't interested and what that would look like, something that would be appropriate for the piece on. 02:02:52
I think they're just waiting for us to get. 02:02:59
Something in here so? 02:03:02
Yeah, we want to do it. Here's some detail point would like to consider and get a conversation going to see if we can work 02:03:05
ourselves into a lease, right and assuming you need to point out. 02:03:09
No. 02:03:16
Yeah. 02:03:20
Way too long. 02:03:21
So the council is comfortable with that. We'll work on that LOI and hope to have that finalized and then next month or so and 02:03:26
then. 02:03:30
Having that you know proper time frame that has a better number and your vision or. 02:03:36
Engagement process. 02:03:44
Thank you. 02:03:48
Alright. 02:03:53
Actually, I can hear. 02:03:54
OK, so. 02:04:02
OK, my best to explain the scenario here. 02:04:07
There is. 02:04:12
The portion of the upper canal. 02:04:16
That. 02:04:19
City. 02:04:19
Agreed. 02:04:21
To you. 02:04:22
Take ownership of. 02:04:24
Is a part of an agreement. 02:04:27
With the upper panel. 02:04:30
The legal description of the canals limits stands N into Mill Creek. 02:04:32
And and at the. 02:04:40
Alright, great. No great. 02:04:42
And that portion of that fish runs along 20 with east. 02:04:45
And it's the portion that we refer to as. 02:04:51
The Rockfish it's. 02:04:55
Trapezoidal channel without flagstone rock. 02:04:57
It. 02:05:03
The horses in front of several people's properties. There are multiple driveway bridges across. 02:05:05
This rock ditch. 02:05:12
Rockledge is in that. That's a full resolution, so go. 02:05:15
But it's in very poor condition. 02:05:23
We have had weeks of this portion of the ditch that have impacted the church property. 02:05:26
The structs we. 02:05:33
Spent money. 02:05:35
Repairing on 20th and 39th. 02:05:37
It's. 02:05:40
Not 39, but further north like around. 02:05:41
For example or something I will check. 02:05:45
That's. 02:05:52
You see? 02:05:55
So let me let me. 02:05:58
Iterate. 02:06:02
We agreed to. 02:06:03
Except ownership of the upper canal. 02:06:05
From the limits of Mill Creek. 02:06:09
Cheap big cabinetry. 02:06:12
So we. 02:06:14
Have ownership of this *****. 02:06:16
For the transportation of our stormwater to. 02:06:19
Which is like. 02:06:23
Only. 02:06:26
This fortune is really just. 02:06:27
There's there's a stormwater facility. 02:06:30
In addition to this victory. 02:06:33
There. 02:06:37
Is. 02:06:38
In divergent structure that. 02:06:40
Wild Girls and singer. 02:06:43
And when? 02:06:45
There is a higher. 02:06:47
But you can't solve that. 02:06:49
We. 02:06:51
Close the gate for the bits, portion and divert. 02:06:52
This stormwater into a storm drain system. 02:06:56
And that also discharges in Mill Creek as well. That runs down metal. 02:07:01
Saline. 02:07:07
You're blowing your mind. 02:07:09
No. 02:07:14
It's not just restore. Wasn't irrigation OK? 02:07:16
So this portion marking is it irrigation dish with some storm water before we click close. 02:07:20
Conversion point. 02:07:27
But. 02:07:30
Certainly speaking. 02:07:31
The ditch is what was transferred to the city. 02:07:33
The storm drain. 02:07:37
To attract with the military. 02:07:39
Track. 02:07:43
Umm. 02:07:45
So we don't own the storm drain once the storm water gets converted. 02:07:48
That was not part of that transfer agreement. 02:07:54
With. 02:07:57
Between the city and Africa. 02:07:59
From my understanding. 02:08:02
So. 02:08:03
So we had to take the bath to get the goods that look, it kind of comes down to. 02:08:05
I know. 02:08:11
There wasn't any. 02:08:15
Everyone that irrigation function to this. 02:08:18
Yes. 02:08:21
We could just keep the gate closed and the Virgin store vendor in a week for the pitch, but. 02:08:22
We have to keep it open for purification. 02:08:28
Yes. And that was part of the agreement, OK, Is that we allow? 02:08:31
The use of interrogation. 02:08:37
Otherwise I would have never agreed to. 02:08:39
Agreement. 02:08:42
And they were. 02:08:44
What happened? 02:08:50
We would have been with them over. 02:08:52
Use of their facility. 02:08:56
Ask for water. 02:08:59
Very hard. 02:09:02
They they had some squads that were result of stormwater and. 02:09:04
They said the significant amount of money. 02:09:10
Sending those freezing internals, Gene doesn't initially off. 02:09:14
More than idea, I've just heard a little bit from now. 02:09:19
Uh but. 02:09:23
I think in the resolution to several lawsuits. 02:09:25
Very good. 02:09:29
Take over that worship structure. 02:09:32
He was also awarded pragmatic solution on the part of the city because we didn't have a storm water system in there or that you 02:09:35
were really using upper count for stormwater system and rather than it would be cheaper solution than constructing them. 02:09:44
15. 02:09:54
Microsoft. 02:09:56
I think that there was a big mistake in this. 02:09:59
It should have been limited to 39. 02:10:02
Or. 02:10:05
At the very most singer and. 02:10:06
Ohh wow those. 02:10:09
For some reason it was extended. 02:10:10
OK, so how? 02:10:13
How long is? 02:10:15
Especially on from 3900, S of the holding were too low creeks and stuff. 02:10:16
Uh, well, this is our discussions about 1300 feet. In addition to that there is an open. 02:10:22
Of my channel, but I think it's probably another. 02:10:27
She out of herself. It's not that long. 02:10:31
This is 1/2 mile. 02:10:36
35 S So this is, you know, four blocks. 02:10:39
So we have this ditch. 02:10:44
It goes from all these boundary to Northridge. When you say number, he means something in the military, yes, correct. We have the 02:10:46
responsibility to maintain. 02:10:50
That's what it was. 02:10:55
So what I want to do? 02:10:57
Yes. 02:10:59
Right. 02:11:01
So. 02:11:01
Umm. 02:11:03
When we reviewing our 10 year capital plan. 02:11:05
With the. 02:11:08
Advisory Committee we. 02:11:11
Came up with the budget capital improvement projects and one of those projects was to send. 02:11:15
But. 02:11:22
Absolutely $50,000 on this blockage. 02:11:23
So maintenance. 02:11:27
And. 02:11:29
It was, kind of. 02:11:31
Yeah, it was put into that side. 02:11:33
Subsequent to that, we went to. 02:11:36
Well, Mill Creek came to us. 02:11:43
Is that we want to put a tagline. 02:11:45
Over the top of the stitch. 02:11:47
Very important to our council and we're gonna be doing a project we want to bury. 02:11:50
They're nation gifts. 02:11:56
That one. 02:11:59
Yeah, we approve. 02:12:00
So. 02:12:02
They are spending a considerable amount of money on their projects because of the way they're getting buried in order to improve 02:12:05
it with her pattern. 02:12:10
A sidewalk. 02:12:16
$40 million building, that's right. 02:12:19
Yeah. 02:12:23
One or 250. 02:12:25
Right, so. 02:12:27
Three years ago I mentioned to you. 02:12:29
To the. 02:12:33
Speaking engineers, right? 02:12:35
You know we. 02:12:37
We do have ownership of this and. 02:12:39
You have a little bit of maintenance money. 02:12:42
Set aside for this garage. 02:12:44
And. 02:12:48
How's that? 02:12:49
So. 02:12:51
We. 02:12:54
Are being asked to see if you could contribute that money. 02:12:56
Towards their project. 02:13:00
Their their overall cost on this strong racism alone as well over. 02:13:02
You know. 02:13:09
I I don't know exactly what, it's probably between 1.5 and $2,000,000. 02:13:09
Ours. 02:13:14
Portion would be. 02:13:16
Small percentage of the overall project cost. 02:13:18
When would you be spending this money? Realistically, about this time anyways? 02:13:22
Because the Rockets is in very poor condition and there are several driveways up along the stockage. 02:13:27
That are at risk of. 02:13:35
Collapsing around the ditch so you wouldn't have to. This is like this is gonna happen. 02:13:36
Yes. We did not put it into our bonding project because we didn't know the Mill Creek was gonna be putting in the speciality. 02:13:42
And at that point we had no commitment or. 02:13:52
Agreement. We still don't. 02:13:55
To. 02:13:58
Ensure you find yourself. 02:13:59
They have come to us more as a courtesy, in my opinion. 02:14:01
For this morning. 02:14:06
And I said, look, I will bring to our City Council and ask them what their opinion of design is, direction from them. 02:14:09
I'm someone that piece of this for this guy. 02:14:20
Run this fight. So I mean this is. 02:14:25
The the downstream of South the north mean this is water coming out of Big Copper Creek. 02:14:29
Correct. 02:14:34
And it's running in the Mill Creek and so. 02:14:34
We don't really care. 02:14:38
One thing that these holidays boundaries. 02:14:40
It's no skin off Arnold if if it's maintained or not. We we the water is not. I'm just wondering can we sell it to them? 02:14:42
Can we give him the 2:50 and say, hey, you take ownership? 02:14:51
So and then you maintain it from this point on, I think. 02:14:53
Well, I've had discussions, We've tried to. 02:14:57
Say, look. 02:15:01
As a condition of the 250 UK ownership, yeah. 02:15:04
I think they would rather reject the 2:50. 02:15:07
Yeah. 02:15:12
But then they have to type it. 02:15:14
They do have to type it. What I'm saying is we would. 02:15:17
Go ahead and give them the permission to deal with, but we wouldn't give the contribution. 02:15:20
Maybe just do it? 02:15:26
So one of the recommendations or one of the conditions? 02:15:29
Could say is yes. We would give you the 2:50 if you do agree. 02:15:33
To take ownership of it, yeah. 02:15:38
And so I've had that conversation with this middle group sitting manager. I would characterize it as having 0 appetite for that 02:15:41
conversation. But that's right, we can try. And then why? Why would we want to contribute to the project if that's the case? 02:15:49
And the dance playing it's like. 02:15:58
OK, so it's in bad shape when we were going down there, it's like, is it? 02:15:59
But it really I guess. 02:16:04
Yeah, project, don't they have to allow the? 02:16:08
Irrigation holders to be able to take the water out. 02:16:13
They do and they have designed. 02:16:16
Access points for them to do that, great. I fully support with the council saying, yeah, our 250 is there if you take the stitch. 02:16:19
If it's not then. 02:16:30
We're trying to let you type it, but it's gonna come with an indemnification agreement and the long term maintenance, right? 02:16:32
You're part of the property you have to do. If they wanted to fight the ditch, right, They wanted to run. 02:16:39
That. 02:16:49
That's all we're we're, we're set. We're comfortable with the historic. 02:16:50
Construction. 02:16:54
Piece of this ditch is if you wanna you wanna rip out. 02:16:56
Our dish. 02:17:01
You need to identify us. 02:17:02
Or pick up to 50 and and you buy it. 02:17:05
People. My ability for that search from my standpoint. 02:17:08
Whether they choose to identify us. 02:17:13
And take the obligation to deliver the water. 02:17:17
Where they buy it now, it's the same. 02:17:20
Yeah. 02:17:23
So. 02:17:23
But I support the Council. 02:17:27
No, we're, we're, we'll pay 250. 02:17:32
Four block stretch. 02:17:38
Yes. 02:17:39
Yeah, so I think our genius. 02:17:40
Just read through. 02:17:43
I don't think that they're gonna. 02:17:45
Remember that, go for that. So I think what we need to do is then. 02:17:47
Requiring identification, if they're going to be. 02:17:53
OK. 02:17:57
We did request that, well, there would be. 02:17:59
We would be. 02:18:03
It's really easy. It's really easy. I mean there is some benefit here the fact that my maintenance obligation and water delivery 02:18:06
standpoint which is what we're contractually. 02:18:11
It's easier for us to do it right now. 02:18:17
Even if every 10 or 12 years we have to spend 200 grand, it's easier for us. 02:18:19
To do it that way once they pipe it with sidewalk on top of it. 02:18:24
Our maintenance obligation and our ability to. 02:18:29
You know, continue to the lower the water gets harder. 02:18:32
Yeah, so. 02:18:35
That's a weird present to him is. Look, you're gonna have, you're gonna have obligation to. 02:18:38
To maintain this thing whether you take our 250 or not. 02:18:42
So if you take our 2:50, we you you. 02:18:46
We will will convey it to you. 02:18:49
But if you don't, you still have to maintain it. 02:18:52
If you want with that right. 02:18:54
That's what we would do if the homeowner wanted to fight across the private property, right? 02:18:58
In that. 02:19:04
Right. 02:19:05
I was never in local company lawyer, but I know how they work. 02:19:06
That's what would have been required, sure. 02:19:10
Yeah. 02:19:13
Do you know what's the? 02:19:15
They gonna see that is us. 02:19:17
Yeah. 02:19:21
Matter of fact, first statement and I I think that's right. 02:19:22
That we can certainly, yeah. I mean, we don't have to dig up their new sidewalks and you know it's so. 02:19:26
I don't need love. 02:19:34
It's a story. It is. 02:19:37
Designated. 02:19:40
Looks like that stuff in my. 02:19:45
Civilian Conservation Corps. 02:19:49
Ohh yeah. 02:19:55
That is real life. Well, all right. 02:19:56
This is the first statement that. 02:20:01
Yeah, it's not the response that we don't want the responsibility we have to maintain that it should go free. 02:20:06
And we're happy to contribute to them, but if they don't then we still have the responsibility. 02:20:13
Goes along with it. If they're gonna pipe, it can cover with the sidewalk. 02:20:19
Yeah, you're great issue for us. It's a real issue that we have to deal with. 02:20:24
Yeah, yeah. 02:20:29
Alright. 02:20:33
OK. 02:20:34
I want to support that and then I would bring up some other stuff that I could. 02:20:38
Gives you that. Put in your quiver. 02:20:43
OK. 02:20:49
Don't have your? 02:20:53
Alright. 02:21:16
The last one. 02:21:18
Alright, OK. 02:21:23
I'm looking for your alcohol. 02:21:26
That will be mediocre. Hall. Cheryl is resigning effective Ohh yes, retiring effective mid-october. 02:21:30
Sure has a ton of experience and has been. 02:21:43
Really performing her job at very high level on it. 02:21:47
Change backwards a week when she was initially hired. She was hired at 20 hours a week and and felt like she needed a little 02:21:51
additional time. 02:21:56
One of the priorities that the Council has identified over the last several years based on. 02:22:04
The. 02:22:11
Priorities of our residents and our surveys is community events and arts programming. 02:22:13
And so before we released a revised subscription, I just wanted to check with you to see whether you wanted to continue her 02:22:19
position in the basic structure that is now. 02:22:25
25 hours a week, knowing that for someone with less experience, that might be a. 02:22:32
Loss of efficiency. 02:22:41
Or whether you wanted to look at it, perhaps an expanded role for that position? 02:22:44
One thing that we that other cities, some other cities fear that's combined that are function. 02:22:50
With a culture component, so. 02:22:57
It might be that that position could assume responsibility for the Historic Historical Commission and their speaker series, work 02:23:00
with that group, and really have that eye toward events in addition to parts of the. 02:23:09
They're just looking for feedback. 02:23:19
Yeah, actually. 02:23:23
And staff support for. 02:23:24
First one full circle Commission. 02:23:27
And truthfully, I mean especially because the like the the, the historical experience are equitable putting out as an art. 02:23:30
Sort of components that the like at the castle home right or the bar down here? 02:23:38
I mean, you know, so it seems like they would ducktail really. 02:23:45
Really. 02:23:49
Easily. 02:23:51
I thought we have, but we have at least one Circle Commission member who's on the Council. 02:23:52
Overtime there's been, there's been crossover. 02:23:58
You know, like I'd like to throw in two other things. And when we did, when we did kind of accent with when we talked to Cheryl. 02:24:02
I don't think you're comfortable to hang herself on the back, but she did say through her packing. Look, I've been doing this 20 02:24:09
years. 02:24:12
And I. 02:24:16
Do it very efficiently, Yeah. 02:24:17
And it will be very difficult for somebody else to step in. So you got that piece. 02:24:19
But you've also got this piece of. 02:24:24
Residents really seeking more of that kind of thing? That Cheryl's been pretty clear about what. 02:24:27
I just want a part time job. 02:24:35
We have all this stuff, but I'm at my limit in terms of and so we were. 02:24:37
You know, sadly pretty sensitive about not. 02:24:42
Anything more on her? 02:24:45
And there's probably more opportunity to expand a little bit if you have a full time person. So I think you have those two issues 02:24:47
too, which is. 02:24:51
If she's had a 25 hours a week on this park for somebody to come in. 02:24:55
Pick up her workload. 02:25:00
And do the same job 25 hours. 02:25:02
So I think there's a couple of issues there and then if they could. 02:25:05
If you guys analyze it and you think that. 02:25:08
She you know. 02:25:12
A new person could come in. 02:25:14
And also maybe take on the cultural piece of the circle, which I think that's just an added focus. 02:25:16
So then. 02:25:23
Other in favor of. 02:25:24
Yeah, Yeah. And so there will be an increase of 15 hours. So that that's probably the left significant cost. 02:25:31
The cost is the benefits, so and we'll have to see. 02:25:41
Higher, but that is the potential for $25,000 within health insurance benefits in addition. 02:25:48
Did she? Did she? She did because she was. 02:25:59
She was paid at a higher rate. 02:26:04
Ohh. 02:26:08
That's a really fascinating idea. 02:26:15
But what cities do that right? 02:26:17
So I think Cottonwood heights position is that way. 02:26:20
Reaper is that way. 02:26:26
Director, Assistant person. 02:26:29
Understands the art. Historical commissions are fully volunteer. Those are bridges. 02:26:32
With your council person membership, right? 02:26:38
But So what that means? 02:26:42
That worked for. 02:26:47
I can't help myself. 02:26:50
But it would be good to have somebody has more dedicated, yeah. 02:26:53
I I very much support both maybe suggested in these capacities. I guess it's it's in these areas I think where it means something 02:26:57
all the time. 02:27:01
Should have that be part of what their their involved with this? 02:27:06
Big ***** on you know name, name, rights on. 02:27:13
Sort things or whatever else. 02:27:17
In fact, if we did that, this is this is a great juncture. 02:27:21
Work mission standpoint too. 02:27:25
OK, I'll do that. 02:27:28
Prioritize which things. 02:27:34
Speaker. 02:27:37
Work with them more. 02:27:38
Skills were required in public than a fewer. 02:27:40
Well, I have there will be so. 02:27:43
Excited about? 02:27:46
That. 02:27:47
Broadness of how they think that's true. That's right. 02:27:48
OK. Sounds like you're comfortable with advertising for full time position? 02:27:55
Working for some other skills, including cultural, perhaps some reasoning. 02:28:00
And then we're out. 02:28:07
Well, I I. 02:28:10
You know, I would. I would assume that what we're talking about at least right now is. 02:28:11
Reasoning with. 02:28:16
Halfway and with the understanding that that we're gonna go reevaluate that, but I'm hoping that relationship works but then that 02:28:18
person would be the direct. 02:28:22
But I don't know who was direct point of contact with this initial meeting. We had three cups. 02:28:27
Was it you, Molly? 02:28:32
So that person would. 02:28:35
Slide into that role and they would be the one working with. 02:28:37
Because that happened. 02:28:40
Yeah, yeah. 02:28:44
Right. 02:28:50
Alright. 02:28:51
I think we've already done through the calendar and questions about that. 02:28:54
It says it says October and 1st be met. 02:28:58
Alright, no closed session, so I'll thank you motion. 02:29:04
Sure. 02:29:09
Sorry. 02:29:10
Our neighbor. Alright, alright, well, thank you. Thank you. 02:29:11
Sorry. 02:29:18
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