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Introduce Chief Oil and you vertical. 00:00:00
Introduce our team because. 00:00:04
All these folks here are the ones. 00:00:06
Really. 00:00:08
You know, we have. This is a team effort. 00:00:09
Appreciate your kind words. Yeah. Good team of people that really cares about your community. They care about all of it. 00:00:12
They care about you. 5 police. 00:00:18
Go gangbusters. 00:00:22
Put together so we can give you the best police services. 00:00:24
Best Price? 00:00:26
Thanks. No. And and just to chief managers credit do you think he's being very humble he's put a lot of. 00:00:29
Time and effort into this and really worked hard on this project and we're we're getting to where there's a really good product 00:00:35
that's that's coming out of this. 00:00:38
But just so everybody's aware, we have with us Chief Randy Thomas, he's our Chief in Midvale. He's been very heavily involved in 00:00:42
this reorganization as well and this, this project and. 00:00:46
And a great ally partner to work with who helps us quite a bit. We work very closely together. And then we also have Rick Moon and 00:00:51
Debbie Sanchez from our fiscal team. These two are just truly amazing folks who. 00:00:58
I can never do their job. I'm just not good at math, good enough math to do what they do. But I mean they're always so open and 00:01:05
willing. Whenever you guys have questions about budget and I'm calling them they they fire off the answers to get back to you guys 00:01:10
all the time. So we're really glad to have done there. They didn't hard disk and obviously everybody else with 10 Ackerman. 00:01:16
Who is right here in our holiday Appreciate who was. 00:01:22
Just amazing. We've got great people here for you tonight. And with that I'll let Naz jump into kind of where we're at right now 00:01:24
with with the reorganization. 00:01:28
Thanks Jesus. 00:01:33
So let's start out really here at the Faces. 00:01:36
And I know this might be hard to read but. 00:01:39
I will do is. 00:01:42
We have this in our packet too, right. I don't know if anybody yeah, this was said we had the board meeting yesterday. This sent 00:01:47
to. 00:01:50
The mayor of this is kind of enough symbols of it so it makes a copy so that you can look at it feel. 00:01:55
Turns back the Mayor Valley has copies of digital copy he's serving. Give you these two. But. 00:02:00
This. 00:02:08
This is an important display graph to tell you right now this is a living document. 00:02:11
This is. 00:02:14
Constantly flux. I mean, I don't know if you saw my screen earlier. So how many colored charts we have? 00:02:16
We're constantly refining this. 00:02:21
Getting in these meetings, getting very creative. 00:02:23
Using this intense creative process to try to come up with. 00:02:27
Most efficient. Effective. 00:02:30
Part Three, Organization P4. 00:02:32
All these things happened was. 00:02:36
An excellent apartment, but now we've got to make some adjustments and try to. 00:02:39
To do this reorganization in the best way we can and. 00:02:43
What's most beneficial so? 00:02:47
Shark that I passed them around. You can see it up here. 00:02:49
Is the chart that is effective as of September 28. Now again the disclaimer. 00:02:53
This chart will change. 00:02:57
100% confident that this charge is going to change on the 11th when we meet fall commanders. 00:02:59
At our meeting on our command meeting on Wednesday. 00:03:05
And we're going to look at some new. 00:03:08
Versions of this. 00:03:10
And get some additional input and I'm sure that will result in another creative process which will. 00:03:12
Constitutes new changes, so. 00:03:18
Again, as we're building this. 00:03:20
Our conversations used to be big. 00:03:23
The reason I'm sharing this with you now is because as our conversations go, they're getting smaller and smaller. 00:03:25
And. 00:03:31
There's less and less questions, which tells me we're getting close to what it's going to look like. 00:03:31
So what does this chart? 00:03:36
Everything you see in yellow is what we call our Metro Police services or shared services. 00:03:37
Which are? 00:03:44
The services that our officers use in your precinct always city uses every single day of the year. 00:03:45
Really, things like the tech services and the fleet. 00:03:52
Our officers don't get a paycheck. 00:03:54
Unless. 00:03:57
They have these folks over here, sure, services. So I mean it's very fundamental. 00:03:58
Services that this yellow provides so that we can execute the law enforcement mission in your community. 00:04:01
Over here's where you'll be have a lot of interest, so the three columns. 00:04:08
Every three geologists are the cities, the three contract cities with EPD. 00:04:12
Everything in green is still be sort of solid Kelly law enforcement service area. 00:04:17
Which is the district funds. 00:04:22
Law enforcement services in those areas which is magnet. 00:04:26
Thirds immigration right in White City. 00:04:29
The spray bar here is where we're just working out some personnel. 00:04:32
Full time employee tolls, part time employee totals. 00:04:36
And looking at those, tying things up to make sure our numbers match. 00:04:39
So right here on holiday, you see that? 00:04:44
On this current chart here we have. 00:04:47
Of the city of Brighton attached to this. 00:04:49
As part of that. That's why you see these these increments because. 00:04:55
Those. 00:04:59
Responsibilities and finances are split between those groups. 00:05:00
You have the Blues called Basic increasing build. That's when anybody joining the EU have to have some basics. 00:05:04
Service level. 00:05:11
And then what we have here in Orange, what we call add-ons. 00:05:12
Now this is something we've done I think the Chief Constable idea which actually. 00:05:15
It turned out to be really good because it allows. 00:05:19
A precinct like holiday, say. 00:05:22
Hey, what do we want to add to our services or how do we want to tailor our services to us? 00:05:24
So you can example should talk about it. 00:05:29
Traffic is really important holiday. 00:05:32
So if I want to add an extra traffic car, some extra. 00:05:34
Traffic enforcement services, I can have that out here in the orange. 00:05:37
But of course you have to pay for whatever you add on to that. 00:05:41
Or maybe you want service here at this precinct doesn't wanna service, they container those. 00:05:44
Pieces to its best. They feel like they're coming. Yes, Sir. Quick question. 00:05:49
Are you combining Milky Immigration or a brightened? 00:05:53
To save space? Or are we actually combine like for instance our? 00:05:57
Our safe, cheap oil is our. 00:06:01
Precinct Chief. Is he also responsible for writing? 00:06:04
Right. And that's mine for a reason or just to save space or because I'm really good question primarily for operational purposes? 00:06:08
So, so, like right now, for instance, the Canning served immigration. 00:06:16
And bribed with that's when it most likely change. White City is already operating out of the Midvale precinct in competence, 00:06:21
operating on the back end. 00:06:25
Right. So most of these were practical operational purposes. 00:06:30
I work in Copper 10 in the White City and I need to. 00:06:34
Book evidence or any supervision or some assistance. 00:06:37
That works as a group, so. 00:06:41
These columns under charter, then he the the the chief of police would also be the chief of right that's that's the way we have 00:06:43
it's gotten broken down right now. So Holiday and Brighton would now be paired. So as you can see right here for me in this 00:06:48
position the deputy chief Holiday would be responsible for .8. 00:06:54
8 tenths of, a percent of of. 00:06:59
Of costs for the briefing chief. 00:07:01
And then Bright would be responsible for two tests of that. OK, so that is the. 00:07:03
So it is an operational group, right would be now assigned to holiday precinct and we would figure out that we've already started 00:07:08
working on operations on how that would work. 00:07:12
And again, this is tentative right now as it continues, things could change. 00:07:17
Anytime with this, but that's the way it's flowing best right now. Obviously Holiday the right has the closest. 00:07:22
Geographic location is the quickest response time there and and to that neck of the woods. 00:07:28
And that's why immigration has been associated to Mill Creek because it's closer for Mill Creek to be able to get orange Sherry. 00:07:33
Should big board of milk would you do, would you foresee? 00:07:38
More operational separation from Mill Creek than we do now. 00:07:43
No, I think that would still be we're pretty, we're pretty tight with Mill Creek. I'd hate to lose that sort of solely and you'll 00:07:48
see right here too One of the things that point out is. 00:07:52
In petrol you see that there are 3.33 sergeants. 00:07:56
That are shared still and we have 1.67 starters. We have 5 control shifts. 00:08:01
Each patrol shift has a patrol supervisor on it. Holiday pays for one third of those sergeants and Millcreek pays for 2/3 of the 00:08:05
states outside of responsibility, so we still have that. 00:08:09
Interoperability, interconnectivity and working relationship as we share a big border and we are. 00:08:14
Protect with them. So I hate to lose that. Yeah, that will. That won't change. Just a quick question on the precinct facilities, 00:08:21
so. 00:08:24
So we would, we would host holiday and brighten and I'm assuming Look Creek has its own. 00:08:28
You know. 00:08:33
Precinct Office Midvale. 00:08:34
Magna, So I mean, what would there be cost sharing between holiday and Brighton for? 00:08:37
Share of office space or whatever I mean. And the same thing probably true with Mill Creek and immigration. 00:08:42
Magnin conference and so forth, I mean is that? 00:08:48
Yeah, there would be all those. All those things are worked out and that's one of the things that our fiscal folks have done and 00:08:51
they're still working through, especially when it comes to the operational costs. That part is still being worked out. A lot of 00:08:54
the costs have been worked out so far. 00:08:58
The chief manager I'll talk about in a few minutes are mostly personnel related, but those are still in process of working 00:09:02
through, but you will see like right here. 00:09:05
8 tenths of the salary and cost for me, 8 tenths for Lieutenant Ackerman. And then we get down to the office coordinator Kristen, 00:09:10
who you all know part of hers. Her cost would be split and then also the victim advocate 8 tenths of her cost. 00:09:18
Would be split with, right. So that's where you get all of those costs. We've already started breaking out what would be the 00:09:26
reasonable cost difference between the two? 00:09:30
That. 00:09:35
Municipalities. 00:09:36
I was writing functioning for like. How is it functioning today? 00:09:38
You want to primarily cover surprising pace for. 00:09:42
An officer that does their community policing was primarily covered by the candy patrol. The Candy patrol is going back to the 00:09:45
Sheriff's Office. 00:09:48
The sheriff is required to. 00:09:52
Police. 00:09:54
The Candy Patrols actually not a statutory duty. The statutory part of that that the Mayor referred to as a. 00:09:55
The sheriff is required to enforce the law on public lands. 00:10:01
So within the Township of Brighton. 00:10:05
They need to figure out now how they're going to provide services for. 00:10:07
Their child. So that's would be the change. 00:10:11
Get it gets. 00:10:14
It can get really really complicated, but I think. 00:10:17
Like. 00:10:21
I think one thing it's important to say is. 00:10:22
So Visa is an overly taxing district. 00:10:24
That includes all of these members in green, right. So they have a tax basis, fully property tax. 00:10:29
Revenue generated. 00:10:35
The reason they're agreeing is. 00:10:38
We've had this, we've had this transition period where we've. 00:10:40
Absolutely. What are you guys going to do? You want to? 00:10:44
You want to go with the Sheriff's Office. Do you want they've kind of been able to choose what they want to do and. 00:10:46
All of these entities that basically said we do not we want to stay with you. UPD. 00:10:52
So that's why you see Brighton. 00:10:57
They could have contracted with the Sheriff's Office, right? 00:10:59
Or. 00:11:02
Shortcut their own thing, but they all kind of said at this point. 00:11:03
We don't want to go with the county. 00:11:07
We don't want to go to the Sheriff's Office. We want to stay with PD and that's why we're figuring out where. 00:11:10
Where is the best place to have them operationally? 00:11:14
Manage. 00:11:18
And so I understand you correctly then that. 00:11:19
So, he says. 00:11:21
Different funding mechanism, but also right now their status. 00:11:23
It's different. 00:11:28
They're not all. 00:11:29
Hi, is anybody? 00:11:31
Is immigration kind of? 00:11:33
That they kind of committed that they're staying with PD, so the immigration field month. 00:11:35
Immigration competitor is still doing some Yeah, they're still, they're still not fully frightened. 00:11:41
Brightness said adamantly. White City said adamantly and magnetic terms of all said we're staying with PD. 00:11:47
Copper Tent and Immigration are still they're still haven't. 00:11:53
Mayday. 00:11:57
A council statement about correct. 00:11:58
The primary difference is they have a separate line item on that property tax versus it being part of the general funds of the 00:12:01
municipalities, right, Right. 00:12:04
So, yeah, and you know, again like any of these entities including Holiday or rather they could contract with any. 00:12:08
Other municipality or Sheriff's Office or whatever, but to your point. 00:12:14
The important philosophy here? This whole thing is an ecosystem. The more that we stick together. 00:12:19
The point being Mill Creek and Holiday, the better off we are and all of these folks we're working as a. 00:12:25
A large single. 00:12:30
Unit. 00:12:31
And shifting resources we need to it's more cost effective and it's far more effective in terms of. 00:12:32
Law enforcement. 00:12:38
And that has been proven over and over and over across the nation. When we come together, we're much stronger, so. 00:12:40
That's a great point. 00:12:45
Any other questions on? 00:12:47
This orchard. 00:12:49
So that's our nobody has. 00:12:51
They're going to. 00:12:54
No. 00:12:57
Back back to Brighton question. 00:12:59
So the the. 00:13:02
So Rosie Rivera is still going to have to control the Canyon. 00:13:04
Correct itself, but I mean is there an opportunity for? 00:13:07
For them to contract with with. 00:13:10
UPD. 00:13:13
To handle that that interim space, I mean it's it's kind of seems kind of weird to have like. 00:13:15
An officer up in Brighton and then you have. 00:13:20
You know Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office between the king and then you've got our our people down here and all of that. Yeah, 00:13:22
we're still working out those details and. 00:13:26
Try to get me scheduled right right now to talk to them about their services, but. 00:13:30
Essentially, conceptually, what it could look like and I say good. 00:13:35
Is that the UPD is policing within this Township city limits. 00:13:39
The Township limits of Brighton. 00:13:44
Which is just, you know, above the turn all the way up to the top loop. 00:13:46
That would be you could patrol. 00:13:50
Below that in the can you? Yeah that would still be the can you control. 00:13:52
Little Coward, Candy Mill Creek and. 00:13:56
Yeah. 00:14:00
Not immigration, Harleys. 00:14:00
Landscaping, all those, including the West side. There's canyons on the West side there. 00:14:03
So that's kind of conceptually what? 00:14:07
We're looking at as well. 00:14:10
Flushing this out. 00:14:11
Any other questions? 00:14:14
With that, what was proposed right now just so you guys can keep stacking? 00:14:15
But they would have six officers patrolling that. 00:14:20
Along with 3/4 of a Sergeant position. What that's currently being funded. 00:14:23
Right now for for Brighton. 00:14:29
So. 00:14:34
That would be that snapping covering up there, working out the operation. 00:14:34
So again, keep in mind this is where we're at. We're getting close. 00:14:39
But there still will be adjustments. 00:14:43
Continue to refine. 00:14:46
Check. 00:14:48
All right, now the other thing. 00:14:51
Probably don't want to. 00:14:52
I've got all sorts of documents I can share. 00:14:56
This is where. 00:14:59
Kevin Rick. 00:15:00
Coming to play? OK, so here's our. 00:15:02
Here's where the weight or here's where our finances are at and. 00:15:06
Let me make really clear on this again. 00:15:12
This is subject to change as we build this model. 00:15:15
Which is a model right now. 00:15:18
We're working through the wages and benefits. This doesn't right now include operational costs W. 00:15:22
Specifically working on what those operational costs look like. 00:15:29
Includes the opera. 00:15:32
As they stand now, not the adjust for the future. That's a great point. I'm glad you made that. 00:15:34
You can see we have Mill Creek, Holiday, Midville, Slavisa and then this is kind of the average and this blue column is the 00:15:39
precinct direct. 00:15:42
So this is you know. 00:15:46
Holiday pays. 00:15:47
Directly to the precinct, here's the shared services. 00:15:48
And if you go down, which is the number they always look at, feel free to get some details. We have our Expo. 00:15:52
What people want to look at is this piece here. 00:16:08
So this is kind of the summary of the whole chart. 00:16:12
You see where holiday sits right now, it's 5.33%. 00:16:15
Know what the board has instructed us to do and instructed me to do. 00:16:19
This brings into the 7% increase. 00:16:22
For operational costs and that's 7%, what that's doing is. 00:16:25
With the loss of the Salt Lake County revenue because remember, Salt Lake County paid into the organization. 00:16:29
Solid county leaving. We're losing that revenue. It's over $4 million. 00:16:34
And so now we have to kind of make up from that for that. 00:16:38
Or use that to buffer the loss of that revenue. 00:16:42
Without losing your services. So this is the tug of war that we have. 00:16:45
Is between. 00:16:50
Maintaining effective. 00:16:52
Good service levels that are safe. 00:16:54
Or. 00:16:56
The community officers, all the stakeholders. 00:16:57
Making sure budgetarily. 00:17:00
Not doing anything crazy, so it's this constant. 00:17:02
That when we have these needs these. 00:17:05
Means that it's revenue, The commanders that's the fight. 00:17:08
Pop it up service and bring it back and throttle up the budget and. 00:17:11
Kind of doing this balancing act and so that's quite good. Yeah, I've been there. I wanted to back up to a higher. 00:17:15
30,000. 00:17:22
With regard to. 00:17:23
That separation reorganization has to do with. 00:17:24
1st. 00:17:29
Assets and then services. 00:17:30
So do we feel like? 00:17:33
We've had to. 00:17:34
We. 00:17:36
We as a member city. 00:17:37
Own assets. 00:17:39
Right. And he he had part of the shared services. 00:17:41
In the separation of the Sheriff's Office, we feel like we've gotten good. Did they take any of our assets and did we get fair 00:17:44
value? 00:17:47
So they haven't taken anything yet because. 00:17:51
DP still service in Salt Lake counties. 00:17:54
Areas of responsibility and interest. 00:17:58
We're having these right now where the attorneys come together, we're having. 00:18:00
Our interlocal has a formula that determines how those assets are. 00:18:04
Or. 00:18:08
Parted out. 00:18:09
And so we're having some of those meetings now to figure out what assets will go back to Salt Lake County, which are assets they 00:18:10
pay for. So those will go to the county. 00:18:13
And what assets state U? 00:18:17
I don't know if that answers your question, but that's a concern you have. We absolutely blowing us up. 00:18:20
Who gets the spoils? 00:18:26
And are we getting fair value? 00:18:29
I think if you ask my opinion right now, I think we are going to get fair value. 00:18:30
Part of my job and the rest of the commander just look out for the interest of update and our. 00:18:35
Precincts. 00:18:39
Right. And but I I've seen nothing in any of these meetings so far to indicate that anybody's trying to. 00:18:40
Do anything untoward or. 00:18:46
But those are fair. The county should get the assets that they paid for, which is primarily going to be things like vehicles. 00:18:48
Of weapons. Other things are even non capitalized type assets. 00:18:55
They should get there so they can continue to provide services to their folks. 00:19:00
While we. 00:19:04
In our precincts, get what belongs to us and continue our services under interrupt with that equipment. And imagine in your shared 00:19:06
service the big place down on 9th West and 33rd. 00:19:11
When was? 00:19:17
Sheriff embedded in there and you can. He's embedded in there. You still need to share that space. 00:19:18
Or are we having to go get? 00:19:22
Stay sore. I mean, think about it like that. 00:19:24
Assets. That big monster asset. 00:19:27
Yeah. How does? How is that going so shared or is somebody getting kicked out? Yeah, So the building on 9th West, The building on 00:19:29
7th West. 00:19:32
Those are solid county buildings. 00:19:36
UPS leases. 00:19:38
Square footage within those buildings. 00:19:40
From Salt Lake County. 00:19:43
The plan right now and we have a broker, we're looking at other. 00:19:45
Properties. We took a tour of the mayor. School, maybe. 00:19:50
It's everything you were there. 00:19:54
We're looking at all sorts of options. We have about 5 contingency plans right now to look at. 00:19:56
Terminating that lease and doing something different where we separate out from Salt Lake County and have our own. 00:20:02
Quote UN quote headquarters where our shared services and some of these other. 00:20:08
Things will be house separation is going that far too physical separation? Yes, eventually. 00:20:13
Now there are areas. 00:20:18
Where the UPD. 00:20:20
Would be crazy not to have contracts. 00:20:22
So again, the the Solid county would not be a member of the PD. 00:20:26
But there's things like contracts. 00:20:30
Arms length, That's a good description. Arms length contracts that would be very beneficial to the UPD. 00:20:32
I'll give you the the obvious one property in advance. I don't know if. 00:20:39
Yeah, did you get a chance to the property in advance? 00:20:43
I think they did take. 00:20:47
The Academy folks is generally, yeah. 00:20:49
So you go down there, that's a specialized purpose built building and for the EPD to try to replicate that. 00:20:51
Would be astronomically expensive. 00:20:57
Versus hey, why don't we contract? 00:20:59
And you know, solid County could provide that regionally, whoever wants to do it. 00:21:02
And we can get for a fraction. 00:21:06
Right. 00:21:08
Of. 00:21:08
You know what it costs were. 00:21:09
Anything had to do with you mentioned that 20% or whatever they were they were paying in? 00:21:11
But then they were also. 00:21:15
Getting something for that, presumably, yes, right? 00:21:18
And so that. 00:21:22
Are they? 00:21:23
Are they still now that they're? 00:21:24
Not part of the app, They were still providing something to UPD. Are they? Are they obligated to provide us? 00:21:28
Something separately now from UPD. 00:21:34
I want to make sure you're not. 00:21:37
I presume we're not duplicating services. 00:21:39
If we're paying for a certain service from the county. 00:21:41
And we still do. We still get that. 00:21:45
Or are we now having to still pay for that, but we get from you guys where? 00:21:47
Paying. 00:21:51
Do you? Do you guys too? Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out, you know, where is the line drawn now that you think that the sheriff 00:21:53
is out? 00:21:56
Are there what services, are they obligated to provide bus with anything? Yeah, so. 00:22:01
The Sheriff's Office paid 20% that paid for their statutory and their candy web services. 00:22:07
And so they're now taking that. 00:22:11
But that stuff is paid for with. 00:22:14
Counting money. You know some of this general fund. 00:22:16
And we're citizens of the county too, correct? So, for instance, the Metro Gang Unit is going back to the county. 00:22:19
But that doesn't prohibit chief. 00:22:25
Oil from calling up to much. We're getting units saying. 00:22:27
I got a problem here and then you just fix it and they they respond. 00:22:29
Or him calling the warrants, folks. Or him calling. 00:22:33
The extradition folks are saying hey, Holly needs this county wide service. 00:22:36
Please provide. 00:22:41
And the nice thing is because we already have that kind of mutual DNA relationship with Stanley County. 00:22:42
We'll know how to leverage those county services at no cost because you're already paying the pool of shared services provided by 00:22:48
the county, shared services provided by UD shared services. 00:22:53
But we'll be able to identify and coordinate. 00:22:58
Right this responsible for which shared service and not duplicated. Right The county was contracting with the UPD using UPD 00:23:01
officers to carry out those county functions. 00:23:05
Now the sheriff leaving. 00:23:10
That's got to go back to deputy sheriffs. 00:23:11
And so now the UPD. 00:23:14
You know, we'll split out. 00:23:15
And we'll have our own, you know, we'll continue to provide our own shared services and things like that, but any county wide 00:23:17
service. 00:23:20
That we're titled to use those because we all pay county taxes, right? 00:23:24
So we're confident in this restructuring that we're at. 00:23:28
Yes, duplicating. 00:23:30
Where the county owes us, correct. 00:23:33
They're making county provided services that apply to. 00:23:35
The whole right. 00:23:39
Others are part of the PD. 00:23:41
Alright. 00:23:45
Right. Yeah, Chief Oil could call or Chief CAR and South Jordan could call. 00:23:45
Anybody in the county could use some of those county law enforcement services when I was getting it since that 20% leaving. 00:23:52
Well, some of the cost associated with that revenue side. 00:23:59
Also goes with it, so we shouldn't have to make up. 00:24:03
The entire 20%, the 20% will go to pay for. 00:24:05
Of shared services that are moving their responsibility. 00:24:09
We also have to remember 20% of that. 00:24:13
Paid for Debbie and 20% I paid for Rick and. 00:24:15
Paid for human resources or legal or losing the economy of scale that was associated with, Correct then. 00:24:18
Yeah, they were paying the PD to do those services. We're not doing those. 00:24:24
Right. 00:24:29
So that's where we lose our essentially lost them. 00:24:29
We lost sort of. Member city almost, at least for those administrative shared services. No different than winters been left. It's 00:24:33
the same thing, right? 00:24:36
Chief Master, here's a question kind of on this total cost. 00:24:41
For holiday and I noticed that. 00:24:44
That's holiday and not holiday in Brighton. 00:24:46
And this gives. This refers back to the previous chart where we're talking about. 00:24:48
A precinct here that the service is holiday and we have 80%. 00:24:52
We we get, we get the best 80% of cheap oil, we get the best 75% of Lieutenant Acumen or whatever it is. I guess my question is 00:24:57
does this does this number and the personnel matrix that you had previously? 00:25:05
Is that? Is that what we have now other than? 00:25:13
The not not full Chief and and. 00:25:16
And Lieutenant, I guess you could look at it this way. Holiday pays for is 80%. 00:25:20
So these will pay for the 20% for. 00:25:25
Right. Because they're right entity. I mean, would you say that's a fair. Yeah. But I mean what part of basics. We're not gonna, 00:25:28
we're gonna, we're not gonna have less manpower. 00:25:32
Under this model and we have right now. 00:25:36
Or or will we have less? 00:25:39
There's a couple of things that we would have to address that we're moving out of the precinct and back to shared services. 00:25:41
And part of the reason why your cost here is cheaper because you did lose that 20% of the 20% of Tyler, we want your brain for 00:25:46
sure. OK, we'll keep that absolutely. But that ultimately brought this cost down because what you're paying 100% for before we 00:25:53
brought that down. However, there are a couple of areas that we are moving out of the precinct and back to shared services in that 00:26:00
it's not appear anymore but in the yellow there historically we've had our domestic violence detective in each of the precincts. 00:26:06
Those are getting moved out of each of the precincts and back to a shared service or Metro Police services with what we're going 00:26:13
to call it moving forward. 00:26:17
Into that area. So that way they are serving all of the communities with the domestic violence laws. They're. 00:26:21
They're very complicated and that way it's consistent, uniform. 00:26:27
For all of our partners across the board, the other thing that's going to be moving out of the precinct is a fraud detective. We 00:26:31
have one fraud detective here. They're gonna have a centralized product, and one of the things we found regularly is that fraud 00:26:35
suspects. 00:26:39
They used, they played jurisdictional boundaries and so it makes a lot more sense to centralize that. The other thing, the last 00:26:43
one that we've moved out of holiday. 00:26:48
Is traffic we are centralizing the Traffic Unit towards. 00:26:53
A regional service that. 00:26:58
Will be served by all the communities and that's kind of more of a. 00:27:00
Saturation type of unit that I'll go around and do saturation patrols and enforcement. 00:27:04
In all the communities, and that's one of the things you'll see. 00:27:08
On there though we have asked and part of that 5.33%. 00:27:11
Is still leading one traffic car here in holiday as you guys know and we talked about quite regularly here but. 00:27:15
Number of traffic complaints that you guys hear about, but I hear about that you continually hear about. I feel like it's 00:27:22
important to keep. 00:27:24
Traffic officer in here. 00:27:28
And. 00:27:31
I would even. I've talked a little bit about this with the mayor as well, but I would even. 00:27:31
Argue that it would be important to have a second traffic officer still here in holiday, which we would still. 00:27:36
Be able to maintain and address all of the traffic because that's really, and you guys know I joke with you before about it. I 00:27:41
mean, one of the biggest complaints we get here is traffic and and it's a lot. 00:27:46
I would much rather have those complaints. I'll take those all day long versus the complaints about the the murders, the 00:27:52
shootings, the robberies and stuff like that. 00:27:55
But we would still have access and still be able to use that centralized traffic saturation unit as well. Yeah, I think you know, 00:27:59
the way I look at this is. 00:28:03
You know, maybe a simple way to look at it. 00:28:08
We had, we had, we had to shrink things. 00:28:12
To make this work because the economies. 00:28:16
That we lost. 00:28:18
Based on what chief manager was just talking about? 00:28:19
Very good. Can you pull that back up again, CHEAT SHEET or shirt? Yeah, no, the financial finance piece. 00:28:22
So. 00:28:31
What? 00:28:32
If you look at it. 00:28:33
What chief Point was talking about we we moved our, our. 00:28:35
Visit victim, not victim. So domestic violence, effective fraud, detective. And then two traffic cars, but we've added one of the 00:28:40
traffic cars back in, so we're losing those is the motor is the same as the traffic part. OK, so. 00:28:46
So. 00:28:53
Those four things moved over to shared services. 00:28:54
That reduced our. 00:28:58
Precinct budget. 00:29:00
Yeah, I saw that how we saved about 8% on the precinct side. 00:29:02
We picked up a bunch for 10% on shared services, but with a net of 5%, right? 00:29:06
Right, so. 00:29:13
Yeah, I don't know if you can pull that back up cheap, but. 00:29:15
That's what Paul was saying. If you look at our precinct budget, it shrunk by about 400 and some odd 1000. 00:29:18
Our shared services budget increased by about 700. 00:29:23
Some thousand. 00:29:27
The next 518 What did we lose? 00:29:28
We lost control of those two individuals. 00:29:31
That chief was talking about and their exclusive attention, essentially, and exclusive attention and the two motors. 00:29:34
Technically one because. 00:29:41
Only one? Well, we lost two, but then we added one back in. 00:29:42
And. 00:29:47
You know, one of the and that's what I was leading that to The question for this body is. 00:29:49
I think what cheap oil would? 00:29:53
You may not say it, but I will. 00:29:56
Is that's a big complaint we've had for our? 00:29:58
Umm. 00:30:02
From our residents is. 00:30:03
Would we want to add that second one back in and basically not have a net loss at all? 00:30:06
Of the actual on St. patrolling inside our community and the cost would be. 00:30:12
What did you say about 1.3%? It's just about 2%, it's it's about was the 1.7 right now. You were playing with that off and on for 00:30:18
me anyway, we added, I think our options are going to be and we don't have to do this right now, but. 00:30:25
When we start going through this, if we wanted to add that traffic back in and probably take us closer to 7%. 00:30:32
And then the only net loss we'd really have would be those. 00:30:39
I'm gonna confuse those two. 00:30:43
Fraud detectors, but we've also gained in that scenario too, We also gained the ability. 00:30:47
To have these. 00:30:53
Saturation events inside the community, so those five motors that are inside shared services and we had one. 00:30:54
A week or two ago, right, Because we're going to get any right now, we'll have the ability to call that unit up and say. 00:31:01
You know, have access to it whenever it's our turn. 00:31:07
I think we had 53 or 4 citations. We saturated the city, especially inside school zones. 00:31:11
Couple weeks ago, right. And we would have access to that unit. So it's not that's not a net loss. 00:31:17
To the city. 00:31:22
Without access to them, they just won't be working. 00:31:24
Directly through our precincts, correct? 00:31:27
And and even to that point. 00:31:30
The fraud detective. You'll have access. 00:31:32
Through that whole unit, I think there was my memory certainly right there. 00:31:35
A supervisor and four detectives, 3 detectives. 00:31:38
So glad that we you'll have access to that whole unit and the domestic violence unit the exact same. 00:31:41
One supervisor and four detectives that. 00:31:46
If we have, you know, if we have a very egregious domestic violence case that you have that whole unit up here working it, helping 00:31:48
with that case. 00:31:52
So it's not that it's a true loss that we have access to more resources in them. So is there still the in terms of? 00:31:57
Shared services allocation. 00:32:04
Like the Seventy 2010 or whatever, correct? Are those sorts of formulas still applicable in terms of the? 00:32:07
Bulk of the cost for shared services goes to where the calls are correct. 00:32:13
Yeah. 00:32:16
Let me know that formula. 00:32:17
Was used for all of these numbers, although I would argue that. 00:32:19
This is. 00:32:24
And I don't want to throw another wrench into this because it's already gets political enough, but the valuation piece has always 00:32:25
been. 00:32:28
A head scratcher in terms of why that's part of the formula. 00:32:32
You know, wide evaluation of anything to do with how shared services are distributed, but if we do that? 00:32:38
If we do that, it will benefit holiday because we have a very high valuation ratio. 00:32:44
Hit a low. 00:32:50
And so it would shift that search shared services component if you changed to our benefit and to Midvale deficit and I would. 00:32:52
I would say that something to keep on the radar, but honestly? 00:33:02
Personally, I don't think that's something we should be messing with in the middle of this. There's enough problem. 00:33:06
Without throwing that wrench into the works OK, I don't have a problem. 00:33:13
Let me ask. Let me ask you a question about cola, cola issue and. 00:33:18
I'm assuming that that. 00:33:22
Whatever cost of living. 00:33:24
Applies for our personnel is going to have to be. 00:33:25
Entity wide It can't be. 00:33:30
You know holiday can't pay more. 00:33:32
You know then correct. 00:33:34
But and and but I'm wondering if this bottom line number. 00:33:35
If that, does that include a cost of living increase for 2024 and is that market sufficient? 00:33:39
It doesn't include. It doesn't include a cola. 00:33:48
But also one of my big concerns is that we we remain competitive. We. 00:33:51
Put up the money. 00:33:56
To. 00:33:57
To keep the best. 00:33:58
And and not? 00:34:00
You know, drain our force. 00:34:01
Yeah. Can I jump in here, Chief? That's a great question. 00:34:04
Because I brought this up at the board meeting yesterday and wanted to make sure. 00:34:08
That. 00:34:14
When we looked at this. 00:34:15
These are. 00:34:18
Essentially, transitional costs, these are loss of economies. 00:34:19
And we're going to go through this and then we're going to go right into a budget season, which is what you're bringing up. 00:34:24
And I wanted to make sure all of our councils. 00:34:30
Were. 00:34:33
Fully aware that as soon as this happens, we're going to go into a budget season and we're going to have real colors to deal with 00:34:35
and. 00:34:38
I've you know I've pretty much said you better add five or 6% to this because of exactly what you said, right. And you're right on 00:34:42
the money, they're just. 00:34:46
So that's. 00:34:51
Yeah, I don't want. 00:34:51
To do this and then have accountable, We'll wait a second. You told me it was 7% and. 00:34:53
And just the CD or something like that, but at least it's it's. 00:34:59
Yeah, that's not a bad suggestion. We're going to make sure that, you know, that has come up in other meetings before and some of 00:35:04
it has not been. 00:35:07
We're going to make sure that we're communicating that really clearly. 00:35:11
Especially after you're advised there at the last. 00:35:15
For me, there's many that are aware that that's going to happen. 00:35:18
I think we're going to kind of get into that with the budget happens. We're also watching what's happening around us. 00:35:22
What the markets doing around us here in Salt Lake? 00:35:27
Because, you know, we. 00:35:30
Refer to it. 00:35:32
People. 00:35:34
And everybody's. 00:35:35
Same resource. 00:35:36
So I hear rumors that that's gonna start again, again. 00:35:39
Real clear. 00:35:42
But I don't know. We'll have to see that. Yeah, maybe even aliens or something. 00:35:43
A note on here, Rick. Asterisk. Yeah, and maybe hold off on the additional staff until we settled. I I totally agree with you, 00:35:48
Paul, that as much as I'd love to have that. 00:35:53
Additional traffic person. 00:35:59
At least in holiday. 00:36:01
I would kind of be in favor of saying. This would be really, really nice to have. 00:36:03
But honestly? 00:36:07
Personally, I would rather. 00:36:09
Be able to be more aggressive with colas. 00:36:12
Do we have to add another body and then see how it goes and then? 00:36:15
Run a little bit short then. 00:36:19
And be able to be more aggressive, especially with. 00:36:22
You know, you can see where we're at with these other members are going to be a lot more pressure on them because they're going to 00:36:25
have to go out. I'm telling you, they're going to go out for property tax increases to make this work. 00:36:29
Well, I would like to say I won't get into the details now, but the numbers you're looking at here, especially that bottom line. 00:36:35
We have a couple other models that we've built. 00:36:41
Where that number is. 00:36:44
Reduced across the board. 00:36:46
Including one that's scale to you know about. 00:36:49
What the board asked for, which is 7%, but remember when you gained something. 00:36:52
Use something up, right? And that's why I want to meet the commanders on Wednesday and say. 00:36:56
Is what 7 looks like. 00:37:00
Let's go for it and then have that. 00:37:03
Create session. 00:37:05
Figure out if we can come to some sort of. 00:37:06
Something that's reasonable presentable to the board, to the council to bring that. 00:37:11
Again, some presents are achievable and like I told the last council with 0 percent is achievable, but. 00:37:16
When we were messed around the zero percent increase model. 00:37:22
Your services. 00:37:27
So sad we buried out in the backyard, sleeping. Never again. 00:37:29
Well, you get to. 00:37:34
I mean, what you're trying to preserve here is the culture of EPD. 00:37:35
When you start to cut really beyond. 00:37:40
Too much beyond this? 00:37:43
I think you start have to ask your questions whether you have. 00:37:45
Preserve the culture. 00:37:48
Yeah. In fact, you want to explain that loss to the county revenue and how the 7% rebuilds in? 00:37:51
Yeah, so. 00:37:58
We've we've talked about it here a little bit, but if you look in that, this is the bottom of the precinct. 00:38:00
So we as we move people from the precincts to the. 00:38:06
There was about a $5 million. 00:38:09
Is what the county paid for and shared services. 00:38:12
And then we move this $2,000,000 out of the precincts into here and that's why you're at 7.6 here. 00:38:15
And. 00:38:21
That's the that would be the difference. 00:38:24
Just by moving those those positions out. 00:38:27
And then taking the county out. 00:38:29
Yeah, it makes sense. 00:38:33
That's our bottom line. I think it's like 300,000 more. 00:38:34
The challenges is trying to keep the service levels up when you're now sharing what was not shared. 00:38:39
But then again. 00:38:45
That's the nature of shared services, so if we can still keep service levels up. 00:38:47
And draw on shared services. 00:38:51
Yeah, I think you may have been. 00:38:54
This this is an opportunity, not just a. 00:38:57
Pain in the neck. There's an opportunity to reconfigure. 00:38:59
And have a little more control perhaps? 00:39:02
And conversely, the model provides that if you add partners. 00:39:05
Your costs will go down. 00:39:08
Right. 00:39:09
Yeah. You know, I think the other piece of this is there were. 00:39:11
There were problems with the other model. 00:39:14
And so we've tried to create this. 00:39:17
This model as we're doing this to fix those problems so that if. 00:39:19
There are other. 00:39:22
Municipalities or agencies that want to look at joining. 00:39:25
It's an easy model to look at to see what you're going to get. 00:39:29
And you have a lot of latitude within your precinct to adjust the level of services to what you want and then you know. 00:39:33
What your search service is going to be? And and. 00:39:40
Obviously more marketable and the sheriff's not part of it. Which was, Which was. And when I say the sheriff, I don't mean. 00:39:43
Rosie Rivera I know, right? There was always a problem with the sheriff being connected with PD that. 00:39:50
Caused a lot of people not to want to look at it, so this. 00:39:56
Becomes a very easy. 00:39:59
Model for other people to kind of look at to see if they'd want to. 00:40:02
Entertain. 00:40:06
Maybe. 00:40:07
Joining a unified model. 00:40:09
No. 00:40:11
More, More. 00:40:13
More, More. 00:40:14
So I know that was a quick and down we could go on for a long time, but we're trying to get the butternut and. 00:40:15
What I mean, what do you want to tell? 00:40:22
Chief about. 00:40:25
Next steps, I mean, we're going to. 00:40:26
This is. 00:40:29
Way further along than when we started. I think we're getting, it's safe to say we're getting pretty close. 00:40:30
I think from holiday standpoint, we're probably going to defer to a lot of specialty communities like Midvale that are going to 00:40:36
have. 00:40:39
More. 00:40:43
Budget challenges, we're not going to, we're probably going to just kind of. 00:40:44
Sit and wait to see where things end up and. 00:40:48
All of that will go up and down based on that. 00:40:50
Where? 00:40:53
We're. 00:40:55
Quite a ways along on the interlocal or. 00:40:55
Goal is to have a interlocal. 00:40:58
That we could turn over to. 00:41:01
You know I want you. 00:41:03
Legal guys to get it and go over it so I don't have to sit in on that meeting and go to the bunch of attorneys and. 00:41:04
Be careful, but have you know get something we can get the attorneys and say. 00:41:13
Take care of all the legal issues in here. Give it back. 00:41:17
Us the kind of so it's really close to get to our councils by. 00:41:21
First part of January, so we could have voted in March and have that piece put to bed, but. 00:41:26
To keep marching along towards that July 1st date. 00:41:32
Going to share separate. 00:41:35
You know, have our merit piece. 00:41:39
All finalized. And then we'll have another announcement that I'm not going to say anything about right now because probably 00:41:41
premature, but. 00:41:44
We also want to provide a little stability to. 00:41:49
Our rank and file in terms of. 00:41:52
The You know what the future leadership of Unified is going to look like in Real. 00:41:55
I think we'll be able to talk about that a little bit more after next. 00:41:59
Yeah, Mayor, just. 00:42:04
To kind of cap this off because they have other things that. 00:42:06
And we do have a generalized transition plan. 00:42:09
And you can see here this little. 00:42:13
He. 00:42:15
Bottom right hand corner in terms of. 00:42:16
Task wise. 00:42:18
But we're only into this, you know, looking at a year and you can see. 00:42:20
Some of the status of these tasks in the first three months. 00:42:24
We're ahead of, way ahead of where I thought we. 00:42:27
In most areas, some areas are taking longer. 00:42:31
Things are looking for you with but. 00:42:35
It's we're adding to this document and coming up with other things. The next steps are to continue to develop that chart. 00:42:37
Continue to work with budget. 00:42:44
We've got. 00:42:46
Great fiscal folks. Finished the audit. 00:42:47
Wait to hear back from that when we get those audited numbers back. 00:42:50
We start working on the budget for next year, which will be. 00:42:53
You know, you could budget without Salt Lake County. 00:42:57
Hopefully answer a lot more questions. 00:43:01
I would love to be able to be in touch with your council and anytime you want us to come or. 00:43:03
Maybe you know a few months come give you another update or whatever you want to have it if you want. 00:43:10
So. 00:43:17
Well, we can, we can ask for a cheap, but quite honestly, I mean until until we're ready. 00:43:20
Cheap oils. 00:43:25
Directly involved in these committees with the transition and so. 00:43:27
We can have the chief give us an update anytime we want and then if we get to the point where we need to have, we don't need to 00:43:31
take everybody's time that can give us. 00:43:35
You can update us whenever you guys want in terms of where we're at, but. 00:43:40
That's kind of where we're going. 00:43:45
And. 00:43:47
You're to be commended. 00:43:48
Ohh yeah, Bravo staff to be committed. You got thrown into something not of your asking. 00:43:49
And it's been a lot of. 00:43:55
Stress and a lot of work and. 00:43:57
And but. 00:44:00
We're making a lot of progress. 00:44:02
Progress. Thanks so much. 00:44:04
Fiscal stuff. In the middle of an audit, in the middle of this craziness. 00:44:08
And I walk up and I say, hey, can you hurry? Look at this. And they dropped her. 00:44:11
It's been a great team, so appreciate. 00:44:16
Keep anything you need from us. Cheap, cheap. 00:44:22
No, I think. 00:44:26
Get this out once the board sees the new version of this. OK now? 00:44:30
I just forwarded that to everybody too, so you can see the draft. 00:44:34
All right. Thanks for your time. Thanks. Thanks to you. 00:44:40
He. 00:44:45
There you go. 00:44:47
Thank you all. 00:44:50
All right, Chief. 00:44:56
We're just going to finish up in here. 00:45:02
Yeah. 00:45:03
Yeah. 00:45:04
Sorry, butternut people, but we're there. 00:45:07
They all want to run for City Council now. 00:45:13
Well. 00:45:21
Ohh no. I want you to stay till the general. 00:45:25
I don't think we're gonna be troublemakers in here, period. 00:45:32
Hey, John, you better come front. 00:45:35
I'm sure you're. 00:45:37
Carry this. 00:45:39
Well, yeah, you know, I think. 00:45:41
I think where we? 00:45:43
Where are you? 00:45:46
Hello. 00:45:47
Me the real question, that question that comes up about. 00:45:48
Separation between. 00:45:53
You know the little sliver of butternut part from the main main artery of. 00:45:57
Of. 00:46:03
Is that 4500 S or is that 448030? That's 4430 thirty. 00:46:03
Yeah. 00:46:12
And. 00:46:13
You know whether. 00:46:14
Those houses reside on 45th or that separation of butternut, if that. 00:46:16
Puts it in that neighborhood and separates it, you know. 00:46:20
So. 00:46:27
Again, there's there's that. There's also, I think there's the infrastructure challenge. 00:46:28
It creates 2 awkward intersections. 00:46:35
And. 00:46:39
And it's a very narrow St. 00:46:40
That's used by pedestrians and kids. 00:46:43
So and so your is your argument that. 00:46:47
Or as you're concerned that. 00:46:50
Because part of it part of the. 00:46:53
Part of the argument that the residents are. 00:46:57
Is that is that? 00:47:01
He potential. 00:47:03
Of urethane that adds 3 to 4 net units. 00:47:06
Right. 00:47:10
Is going to create an impact on that. 00:47:12
Right. 00:47:17
That's part of the. 00:47:17
On the Little Rd. between the park and yeah. 00:47:19
Yeah. 00:47:22
Is that what's that? Is that Butternut road or is that a 44? 00:47:23
4140. 00:47:28
OK, so that's part of the argument that the residents are making, right is. 00:47:30
And that's part of the. 00:47:35
Part of the argument I have. 00:47:37
And what the residents are saying is? 00:47:38
To me if. 00:47:42
People are coming off of 4430 onto Wander onto Butternut. 00:47:43
To access those residents, they're full access on 45th. They don't enter the neighborhood. 00:47:49
Right they. 00:47:55
They don't. They're traffic doesn't impact neighborhoods. They come on to that road so. 00:47:56
Then it's a. 00:48:01
Is that a valid argument to say that? 00:48:03
Those potential three to four additional units. 00:48:07
Aren't going to adversely impact that Street 45. 00:48:11
You know what does that mean? 00:48:16
So there is a point for South of the main Rd. 00:48:20
Yeah. 00:48:23
It's actually 4470, yeah. Can you pull up that Google map? 00:48:27
So that's 4430. 00:48:32
I think the problem. 00:48:35
For me is the fact that 4470 said that. 00:48:36
People. 00:48:40
Live. 00:48:41
We use that little St. to go up to wander rather than going. 00:48:42
Right. 00:48:47
If there's. 00:48:49
More residences. That means there will be more cars. 00:48:51
That means there will be on garbage day, more garbage cans. 00:48:55
It just makes it harder for them to use that little street. Now whether that is a. 00:49:01
Valid. 00:49:07
Valid argument or not, I don't know. But yeah, I I can see, I can see what you're. 00:49:08
I also think when you talk about the. 00:49:15
Character of the neighbor. 00:49:17
Hey. 00:49:20
So I grew up. 00:49:21
And I. 00:49:24
Broke my bike. 00:49:26
3. 00:49:27
And I think. 00:49:29
In my perception. 00:49:31
Is that? 00:49:33
North of 45th and S 40, but they're very. 00:49:37
Very different. 00:49:42
And so comparing. 00:49:45
You know duplexes South of 45th versus the neighborhood north of 45th to me isn't very, but that's part of what they said was 00:49:50
there's no real R28 east of 20. 00:49:55
300 E on the north side, right? 00:50:00
Not tech. 00:50:04
The corner. 00:50:05
That sound construction right now? 00:50:06
Is to strike that little bit. 00:50:08
So just just so we're. 00:50:13
Clear it. It's confusing because. 00:50:16
Can you shrink it? 00:50:20
Zoom in. 00:50:21
No, this is this is the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to go to the assessor site. 00:50:22
You want to. 00:50:29
Google. 00:50:30
Well, it gets confusing because I'm talking about the main drag and then the smaller St. that's. 00:50:31
The world of solar, the solar street is this is this 447470. 00:50:37
It's weird, yeah, because it's 74470 but then this is 4430 with South of it. 00:50:42
So everybody thinks that's 4050, Everybody thinks that's 45th. Yeah, But this is the street they're talking about and this is what 00:50:46
I'm saying is. 00:50:51
These are the three houses. 00:50:57
All. 00:50:59
None of these people are gonna. 00:51:00
They're kind of penetrate. 00:51:02
This neighborhood to get. 00:51:03
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Introduce Chief Oil and you vertical. 00:00:00
Introduce our team because. 00:00:04
All these folks here are the ones. 00:00:06
Really. 00:00:08
You know, we have. This is a team effort. 00:00:09
Appreciate your kind words. Yeah. Good team of people that really cares about your community. They care about all of it. 00:00:12
They care about you. 5 police. 00:00:18
Go gangbusters. 00:00:22
Put together so we can give you the best police services. 00:00:24
Best Price? 00:00:26
Thanks. No. And and just to chief managers credit do you think he's being very humble he's put a lot of. 00:00:29
Time and effort into this and really worked hard on this project and we're we're getting to where there's a really good product 00:00:35
that's that's coming out of this. 00:00:38
But just so everybody's aware, we have with us Chief Randy Thomas, he's our Chief in Midvale. He's been very heavily involved in 00:00:42
this reorganization as well and this, this project and. 00:00:46
And a great ally partner to work with who helps us quite a bit. We work very closely together. And then we also have Rick Moon and 00:00:51
Debbie Sanchez from our fiscal team. These two are just truly amazing folks who. 00:00:58
I can never do their job. I'm just not good at math, good enough math to do what they do. But I mean they're always so open and 00:01:05
willing. Whenever you guys have questions about budget and I'm calling them they they fire off the answers to get back to you guys 00:01:10
all the time. So we're really glad to have done there. They didn't hard disk and obviously everybody else with 10 Ackerman. 00:01:16
Who is right here in our holiday Appreciate who was. 00:01:22
Just amazing. We've got great people here for you tonight. And with that I'll let Naz jump into kind of where we're at right now 00:01:24
with with the reorganization. 00:01:28
Thanks Jesus. 00:01:33
So let's start out really here at the Faces. 00:01:36
And I know this might be hard to read but. 00:01:39
I will do is. 00:01:42
We have this in our packet too, right. I don't know if anybody yeah, this was said we had the board meeting yesterday. This sent 00:01:47
to. 00:01:50
The mayor of this is kind of enough symbols of it so it makes a copy so that you can look at it feel. 00:01:55
Turns back the Mayor Valley has copies of digital copy he's serving. Give you these two. But. 00:02:00
This. 00:02:08
This is an important display graph to tell you right now this is a living document. 00:02:11
This is. 00:02:14
Constantly flux. I mean, I don't know if you saw my screen earlier. So how many colored charts we have? 00:02:16
We're constantly refining this. 00:02:21
Getting in these meetings, getting very creative. 00:02:23
Using this intense creative process to try to come up with. 00:02:27
Most efficient. Effective. 00:02:30
Part Three, Organization P4. 00:02:32
All these things happened was. 00:02:36
An excellent apartment, but now we've got to make some adjustments and try to. 00:02:39
To do this reorganization in the best way we can and. 00:02:43
What's most beneficial so? 00:02:47
Shark that I passed them around. You can see it up here. 00:02:49
Is the chart that is effective as of September 28. Now again the disclaimer. 00:02:53
This chart will change. 00:02:57
100% confident that this charge is going to change on the 11th when we meet fall commanders. 00:02:59
At our meeting on our command meeting on Wednesday. 00:03:05
And we're going to look at some new. 00:03:08
Versions of this. 00:03:10
And get some additional input and I'm sure that will result in another creative process which will. 00:03:12
Constitutes new changes, so. 00:03:18
Again, as we're building this. 00:03:20
Our conversations used to be big. 00:03:23
The reason I'm sharing this with you now is because as our conversations go, they're getting smaller and smaller. 00:03:25
And. 00:03:31
There's less and less questions, which tells me we're getting close to what it's going to look like. 00:03:31
So what does this chart? 00:03:36
Everything you see in yellow is what we call our Metro Police services or shared services. 00:03:37
Which are? 00:03:44
The services that our officers use in your precinct always city uses every single day of the year. 00:03:45
Really, things like the tech services and the fleet. 00:03:52
Our officers don't get a paycheck. 00:03:54
Unless. 00:03:57
They have these folks over here, sure, services. So I mean it's very fundamental. 00:03:58
Services that this yellow provides so that we can execute the law enforcement mission in your community. 00:04:01
Over here's where you'll be have a lot of interest, so the three columns. 00:04:08
Every three geologists are the cities, the three contract cities with EPD. 00:04:12
Everything in green is still be sort of solid Kelly law enforcement service area. 00:04:17
Which is the district funds. 00:04:22
Law enforcement services in those areas which is magnet. 00:04:26
Thirds immigration right in White City. 00:04:29
The spray bar here is where we're just working out some personnel. 00:04:32
Full time employee tolls, part time employee totals. 00:04:36
And looking at those, tying things up to make sure our numbers match. 00:04:39
So right here on holiday, you see that? 00:04:44
On this current chart here we have. 00:04:47
Of the city of Brighton attached to this. 00:04:49
As part of that. That's why you see these these increments because. 00:04:55
Those. 00:04:59
Responsibilities and finances are split between those groups. 00:05:00
You have the Blues called Basic increasing build. That's when anybody joining the EU have to have some basics. 00:05:04
Service level. 00:05:11
And then what we have here in Orange, what we call add-ons. 00:05:12
Now this is something we've done I think the Chief Constable idea which actually. 00:05:15
It turned out to be really good because it allows. 00:05:19
A precinct like holiday, say. 00:05:22
Hey, what do we want to add to our services or how do we want to tailor our services to us? 00:05:24
So you can example should talk about it. 00:05:29
Traffic is really important holiday. 00:05:32
So if I want to add an extra traffic car, some extra. 00:05:34
Traffic enforcement services, I can have that out here in the orange. 00:05:37
But of course you have to pay for whatever you add on to that. 00:05:41
Or maybe you want service here at this precinct doesn't wanna service, they container those. 00:05:44
Pieces to its best. They feel like they're coming. Yes, Sir. Quick question. 00:05:49
Are you combining Milky Immigration or a brightened? 00:05:53
To save space? Or are we actually combine like for instance our? 00:05:57
Our safe, cheap oil is our. 00:06:01
Precinct Chief. Is he also responsible for writing? 00:06:04
Right. And that's mine for a reason or just to save space or because I'm really good question primarily for operational purposes? 00:06:08
So, so, like right now, for instance, the Canning served immigration. 00:06:16
And bribed with that's when it most likely change. White City is already operating out of the Midvale precinct in competence, 00:06:21
operating on the back end. 00:06:25
Right. So most of these were practical operational purposes. 00:06:30
I work in Copper 10 in the White City and I need to. 00:06:34
Book evidence or any supervision or some assistance. 00:06:37
That works as a group, so. 00:06:41
These columns under charter, then he the the the chief of police would also be the chief of right that's that's the way we have 00:06:43
it's gotten broken down right now. So Holiday and Brighton would now be paired. So as you can see right here for me in this 00:06:48
position the deputy chief Holiday would be responsible for .8. 00:06:54
8 tenths of, a percent of of. 00:06:59
Of costs for the briefing chief. 00:07:01
And then Bright would be responsible for two tests of that. OK, so that is the. 00:07:03
So it is an operational group, right would be now assigned to holiday precinct and we would figure out that we've already started 00:07:08
working on operations on how that would work. 00:07:12
And again, this is tentative right now as it continues, things could change. 00:07:17
Anytime with this, but that's the way it's flowing best right now. Obviously Holiday the right has the closest. 00:07:22
Geographic location is the quickest response time there and and to that neck of the woods. 00:07:28
And that's why immigration has been associated to Mill Creek because it's closer for Mill Creek to be able to get orange Sherry. 00:07:33
Should big board of milk would you do, would you foresee? 00:07:38
More operational separation from Mill Creek than we do now. 00:07:43
No, I think that would still be we're pretty, we're pretty tight with Mill Creek. I'd hate to lose that sort of solely and you'll 00:07:48
see right here too One of the things that point out is. 00:07:52
In petrol you see that there are 3.33 sergeants. 00:07:56
That are shared still and we have 1.67 starters. We have 5 control shifts. 00:08:01
Each patrol shift has a patrol supervisor on it. Holiday pays for one third of those sergeants and Millcreek pays for 2/3 of the 00:08:05
states outside of responsibility, so we still have that. 00:08:09
Interoperability, interconnectivity and working relationship as we share a big border and we are. 00:08:14
Protect with them. So I hate to lose that. Yeah, that will. That won't change. Just a quick question on the precinct facilities, 00:08:21
so. 00:08:24
So we would, we would host holiday and brighten and I'm assuming Look Creek has its own. 00:08:28
You know. 00:08:33
Precinct Office Midvale. 00:08:34
Magna, So I mean, what would there be cost sharing between holiday and Brighton for? 00:08:37
Share of office space or whatever I mean. And the same thing probably true with Mill Creek and immigration. 00:08:42
Magnin conference and so forth, I mean is that? 00:08:48
Yeah, there would be all those. All those things are worked out and that's one of the things that our fiscal folks have done and 00:08:51
they're still working through, especially when it comes to the operational costs. That part is still being worked out. A lot of 00:08:54
the costs have been worked out so far. 00:08:58
The chief manager I'll talk about in a few minutes are mostly personnel related, but those are still in process of working 00:09:02
through, but you will see like right here. 00:09:05
8 tenths of the salary and cost for me, 8 tenths for Lieutenant Ackerman. And then we get down to the office coordinator Kristen, 00:09:10
who you all know part of hers. Her cost would be split and then also the victim advocate 8 tenths of her cost. 00:09:18
Would be split with, right. So that's where you get all of those costs. We've already started breaking out what would be the 00:09:26
reasonable cost difference between the two? 00:09:30
That. 00:09:35
Municipalities. 00:09:36
I was writing functioning for like. How is it functioning today? 00:09:38
You want to primarily cover surprising pace for. 00:09:42
An officer that does their community policing was primarily covered by the candy patrol. The Candy patrol is going back to the 00:09:45
Sheriff's Office. 00:09:48
The sheriff is required to. 00:09:52
Police. 00:09:54
The Candy Patrols actually not a statutory duty. The statutory part of that that the Mayor referred to as a. 00:09:55
The sheriff is required to enforce the law on public lands. 00:10:01
So within the Township of Brighton. 00:10:05
They need to figure out now how they're going to provide services for. 00:10:07
Their child. So that's would be the change. 00:10:11
Get it gets. 00:10:14
It can get really really complicated, but I think. 00:10:17
Like. 00:10:21
I think one thing it's important to say is. 00:10:22
So Visa is an overly taxing district. 00:10:24
That includes all of these members in green, right. So they have a tax basis, fully property tax. 00:10:29
Revenue generated. 00:10:35
The reason they're agreeing is. 00:10:38
We've had this, we've had this transition period where we've. 00:10:40
Absolutely. What are you guys going to do? You want to? 00:10:44
You want to go with the Sheriff's Office. Do you want they've kind of been able to choose what they want to do and. 00:10:46
All of these entities that basically said we do not we want to stay with you. UPD. 00:10:52
So that's why you see Brighton. 00:10:57
They could have contracted with the Sheriff's Office, right? 00:10:59
Or. 00:11:02
Shortcut their own thing, but they all kind of said at this point. 00:11:03
We don't want to go with the county. 00:11:07
We don't want to go to the Sheriff's Office. We want to stay with PD and that's why we're figuring out where. 00:11:10
Where is the best place to have them operationally? 00:11:14
Manage. 00:11:18
And so I understand you correctly then that. 00:11:19
So, he says. 00:11:21
Different funding mechanism, but also right now their status. 00:11:23
It's different. 00:11:28
They're not all. 00:11:29
Hi, is anybody? 00:11:31
Is immigration kind of? 00:11:33
That they kind of committed that they're staying with PD, so the immigration field month. 00:11:35
Immigration competitor is still doing some Yeah, they're still, they're still not fully frightened. 00:11:41
Brightness said adamantly. White City said adamantly and magnetic terms of all said we're staying with PD. 00:11:47
Copper Tent and Immigration are still they're still haven't. 00:11:53
Mayday. 00:11:57
A council statement about correct. 00:11:58
The primary difference is they have a separate line item on that property tax versus it being part of the general funds of the 00:12:01
municipalities, right, Right. 00:12:04
So, yeah, and you know, again like any of these entities including Holiday or rather they could contract with any. 00:12:08
Other municipality or Sheriff's Office or whatever, but to your point. 00:12:14
The important philosophy here? This whole thing is an ecosystem. The more that we stick together. 00:12:19
The point being Mill Creek and Holiday, the better off we are and all of these folks we're working as a. 00:12:25
A large single. 00:12:30
Unit. 00:12:31
And shifting resources we need to it's more cost effective and it's far more effective in terms of. 00:12:32
Law enforcement. 00:12:38
And that has been proven over and over and over across the nation. When we come together, we're much stronger, so. 00:12:40
That's a great point. 00:12:45
Any other questions on? 00:12:47
This orchard. 00:12:49
So that's our nobody has. 00:12:51
They're going to. 00:12:54
No. 00:12:57
Back back to Brighton question. 00:12:59
So the the. 00:13:02
So Rosie Rivera is still going to have to control the Canyon. 00:13:04
Correct itself, but I mean is there an opportunity for? 00:13:07
For them to contract with with. 00:13:10
UPD. 00:13:13
To handle that that interim space, I mean it's it's kind of seems kind of weird to have like. 00:13:15
An officer up in Brighton and then you have. 00:13:20
You know Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office between the king and then you've got our our people down here and all of that. Yeah, 00:13:22
we're still working out those details and. 00:13:26
Try to get me scheduled right right now to talk to them about their services, but. 00:13:30
Essentially, conceptually, what it could look like and I say good. 00:13:35
Is that the UPD is policing within this Township city limits. 00:13:39
The Township limits of Brighton. 00:13:44
Which is just, you know, above the turn all the way up to the top loop. 00:13:46
That would be you could patrol. 00:13:50
Below that in the can you? Yeah that would still be the can you control. 00:13:52
Little Coward, Candy Mill Creek and. 00:13:56
Yeah. 00:14:00
Not immigration, Harleys. 00:14:00
Landscaping, all those, including the West side. There's canyons on the West side there. 00:14:03
So that's kind of conceptually what? 00:14:07
We're looking at as well. 00:14:10
Flushing this out. 00:14:11
Any other questions? 00:14:14
With that, what was proposed right now just so you guys can keep stacking? 00:14:15
But they would have six officers patrolling that. 00:14:20
Along with 3/4 of a Sergeant position. What that's currently being funded. 00:14:23
Right now for for Brighton. 00:14:29
So. 00:14:34
That would be that snapping covering up there, working out the operation. 00:14:34
So again, keep in mind this is where we're at. We're getting close. 00:14:39
But there still will be adjustments. 00:14:43
Continue to refine. 00:14:46
Check. 00:14:48
All right, now the other thing. 00:14:51
Probably don't want to. 00:14:52
I've got all sorts of documents I can share. 00:14:56
This is where. 00:14:59
Kevin Rick. 00:15:00
Coming to play? OK, so here's our. 00:15:02
Here's where the weight or here's where our finances are at and. 00:15:06
Let me make really clear on this again. 00:15:12
This is subject to change as we build this model. 00:15:15
Which is a model right now. 00:15:18
We're working through the wages and benefits. This doesn't right now include operational costs W. 00:15:22
Specifically working on what those operational costs look like. 00:15:29
Includes the opera. 00:15:32
As they stand now, not the adjust for the future. That's a great point. I'm glad you made that. 00:15:34
You can see we have Mill Creek, Holiday, Midville, Slavisa and then this is kind of the average and this blue column is the 00:15:39
precinct direct. 00:15:42
So this is you know. 00:15:46
Holiday pays. 00:15:47
Directly to the precinct, here's the shared services. 00:15:48
And if you go down, which is the number they always look at, feel free to get some details. We have our Expo. 00:15:52
What people want to look at is this piece here. 00:16:08
So this is kind of the summary of the whole chart. 00:16:12
You see where holiday sits right now, it's 5.33%. 00:16:15
Know what the board has instructed us to do and instructed me to do. 00:16:19
This brings into the 7% increase. 00:16:22
For operational costs and that's 7%, what that's doing is. 00:16:25
With the loss of the Salt Lake County revenue because remember, Salt Lake County paid into the organization. 00:16:29
Solid county leaving. We're losing that revenue. It's over $4 million. 00:16:34
And so now we have to kind of make up from that for that. 00:16:38
Or use that to buffer the loss of that revenue. 00:16:42
Without losing your services. So this is the tug of war that we have. 00:16:45
Is between. 00:16:50
Maintaining effective. 00:16:52
Good service levels that are safe. 00:16:54
Or. 00:16:56
The community officers, all the stakeholders. 00:16:57
Making sure budgetarily. 00:17:00
Not doing anything crazy, so it's this constant. 00:17:02
That when we have these needs these. 00:17:05
Means that it's revenue, The commanders that's the fight. 00:17:08
Pop it up service and bring it back and throttle up the budget and. 00:17:11
Kind of doing this balancing act and so that's quite good. Yeah, I've been there. I wanted to back up to a higher. 00:17:15
30,000. 00:17:22
With regard to. 00:17:23
That separation reorganization has to do with. 00:17:24
1st. 00:17:29
Assets and then services. 00:17:30
So do we feel like? 00:17:33
We've had to. 00:17:34
We. 00:17:36
We as a member city. 00:17:37
Own assets. 00:17:39
Right. And he he had part of the shared services. 00:17:41
In the separation of the Sheriff's Office, we feel like we've gotten good. Did they take any of our assets and did we get fair 00:17:44
value? 00:17:47
So they haven't taken anything yet because. 00:17:51
DP still service in Salt Lake counties. 00:17:54
Areas of responsibility and interest. 00:17:58
We're having these right now where the attorneys come together, we're having. 00:18:00
Our interlocal has a formula that determines how those assets are. 00:18:04
Or. 00:18:08
Parted out. 00:18:09
And so we're having some of those meetings now to figure out what assets will go back to Salt Lake County, which are assets they 00:18:10
pay for. So those will go to the county. 00:18:13
And what assets state U? 00:18:17
I don't know if that answers your question, but that's a concern you have. We absolutely blowing us up. 00:18:20
Who gets the spoils? 00:18:26
And are we getting fair value? 00:18:29
I think if you ask my opinion right now, I think we are going to get fair value. 00:18:30
Part of my job and the rest of the commander just look out for the interest of update and our. 00:18:35
Precincts. 00:18:39
Right. And but I I've seen nothing in any of these meetings so far to indicate that anybody's trying to. 00:18:40
Do anything untoward or. 00:18:46
But those are fair. The county should get the assets that they paid for, which is primarily going to be things like vehicles. 00:18:48
Of weapons. Other things are even non capitalized type assets. 00:18:55
They should get there so they can continue to provide services to their folks. 00:19:00
While we. 00:19:04
In our precincts, get what belongs to us and continue our services under interrupt with that equipment. And imagine in your shared 00:19:06
service the big place down on 9th West and 33rd. 00:19:11
When was? 00:19:17
Sheriff embedded in there and you can. He's embedded in there. You still need to share that space. 00:19:18
Or are we having to go get? 00:19:22
Stay sore. I mean, think about it like that. 00:19:24
Assets. That big monster asset. 00:19:27
Yeah. How does? How is that going so shared or is somebody getting kicked out? Yeah, So the building on 9th West, The building on 00:19:29
7th West. 00:19:32
Those are solid county buildings. 00:19:36
UPS leases. 00:19:38
Square footage within those buildings. 00:19:40
From Salt Lake County. 00:19:43
The plan right now and we have a broker, we're looking at other. 00:19:45
Properties. We took a tour of the mayor. School, maybe. 00:19:50
It's everything you were there. 00:19:54
We're looking at all sorts of options. We have about 5 contingency plans right now to look at. 00:19:56
Terminating that lease and doing something different where we separate out from Salt Lake County and have our own. 00:20:02
Quote UN quote headquarters where our shared services and some of these other. 00:20:08
Things will be house separation is going that far too physical separation? Yes, eventually. 00:20:13
Now there are areas. 00:20:18
Where the UPD. 00:20:20
Would be crazy not to have contracts. 00:20:22
So again, the the Solid county would not be a member of the PD. 00:20:26
But there's things like contracts. 00:20:30
Arms length, That's a good description. Arms length contracts that would be very beneficial to the UPD. 00:20:32
I'll give you the the obvious one property in advance. I don't know if. 00:20:39
Yeah, did you get a chance to the property in advance? 00:20:43
I think they did take. 00:20:47
The Academy folks is generally, yeah. 00:20:49
So you go down there, that's a specialized purpose built building and for the EPD to try to replicate that. 00:20:51
Would be astronomically expensive. 00:20:57
Versus hey, why don't we contract? 00:20:59
And you know, solid County could provide that regionally, whoever wants to do it. 00:21:02
And we can get for a fraction. 00:21:06
Right. 00:21:08
Of. 00:21:08
You know what it costs were. 00:21:09
Anything had to do with you mentioned that 20% or whatever they were they were paying in? 00:21:11
But then they were also. 00:21:15
Getting something for that, presumably, yes, right? 00:21:18
And so that. 00:21:22
Are they? 00:21:23
Are they still now that they're? 00:21:24
Not part of the app, They were still providing something to UPD. Are they? Are they obligated to provide us? 00:21:28
Something separately now from UPD. 00:21:34
I want to make sure you're not. 00:21:37
I presume we're not duplicating services. 00:21:39
If we're paying for a certain service from the county. 00:21:41
And we still do. We still get that. 00:21:45
Or are we now having to still pay for that, but we get from you guys where? 00:21:47
Paying. 00:21:51
Do you? Do you guys too? Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out, you know, where is the line drawn now that you think that the sheriff 00:21:53
is out? 00:21:56
Are there what services, are they obligated to provide bus with anything? Yeah, so. 00:22:01
The Sheriff's Office paid 20% that paid for their statutory and their candy web services. 00:22:07
And so they're now taking that. 00:22:11
But that stuff is paid for with. 00:22:14
Counting money. You know some of this general fund. 00:22:16
And we're citizens of the county too, correct? So, for instance, the Metro Gang Unit is going back to the county. 00:22:19
But that doesn't prohibit chief. 00:22:25
Oil from calling up to much. We're getting units saying. 00:22:27
I got a problem here and then you just fix it and they they respond. 00:22:29
Or him calling the warrants, folks. Or him calling. 00:22:33
The extradition folks are saying hey, Holly needs this county wide service. 00:22:36
Please provide. 00:22:41
And the nice thing is because we already have that kind of mutual DNA relationship with Stanley County. 00:22:42
We'll know how to leverage those county services at no cost because you're already paying the pool of shared services provided by 00:22:48
the county, shared services provided by UD shared services. 00:22:53
But we'll be able to identify and coordinate. 00:22:58
Right this responsible for which shared service and not duplicated. Right The county was contracting with the UPD using UPD 00:23:01
officers to carry out those county functions. 00:23:05
Now the sheriff leaving. 00:23:10
That's got to go back to deputy sheriffs. 00:23:11
And so now the UPD. 00:23:14
You know, we'll split out. 00:23:15
And we'll have our own, you know, we'll continue to provide our own shared services and things like that, but any county wide 00:23:17
service. 00:23:20
That we're titled to use those because we all pay county taxes, right? 00:23:24
So we're confident in this restructuring that we're at. 00:23:28
Yes, duplicating. 00:23:30
Where the county owes us, correct. 00:23:33
They're making county provided services that apply to. 00:23:35
The whole right. 00:23:39
Others are part of the PD. 00:23:41
Alright. 00:23:45
Right. Yeah, Chief Oil could call or Chief CAR and South Jordan could call. 00:23:45
Anybody in the county could use some of those county law enforcement services when I was getting it since that 20% leaving. 00:23:52
Well, some of the cost associated with that revenue side. 00:23:59
Also goes with it, so we shouldn't have to make up. 00:24:03
The entire 20%, the 20% will go to pay for. 00:24:05
Of shared services that are moving their responsibility. 00:24:09
We also have to remember 20% of that. 00:24:13
Paid for Debbie and 20% I paid for Rick and. 00:24:15
Paid for human resources or legal or losing the economy of scale that was associated with, Correct then. 00:24:18
Yeah, they were paying the PD to do those services. We're not doing those. 00:24:24
Right. 00:24:29
So that's where we lose our essentially lost them. 00:24:29
We lost sort of. Member city almost, at least for those administrative shared services. No different than winters been left. It's 00:24:33
the same thing, right? 00:24:36
Chief Master, here's a question kind of on this total cost. 00:24:41
For holiday and I noticed that. 00:24:44
That's holiday and not holiday in Brighton. 00:24:46
And this gives. This refers back to the previous chart where we're talking about. 00:24:48
A precinct here that the service is holiday and we have 80%. 00:24:52
We we get, we get the best 80% of cheap oil, we get the best 75% of Lieutenant Acumen or whatever it is. I guess my question is 00:24:57
does this does this number and the personnel matrix that you had previously? 00:25:05
Is that? Is that what we have now other than? 00:25:13
The not not full Chief and and. 00:25:16
And Lieutenant, I guess you could look at it this way. Holiday pays for is 80%. 00:25:20
So these will pay for the 20% for. 00:25:25
Right. Because they're right entity. I mean, would you say that's a fair. Yeah. But I mean what part of basics. We're not gonna, 00:25:28
we're gonna, we're not gonna have less manpower. 00:25:32
Under this model and we have right now. 00:25:36
Or or will we have less? 00:25:39
There's a couple of things that we would have to address that we're moving out of the precinct and back to shared services. 00:25:41
And part of the reason why your cost here is cheaper because you did lose that 20% of the 20% of Tyler, we want your brain for 00:25:46
sure. OK, we'll keep that absolutely. But that ultimately brought this cost down because what you're paying 100% for before we 00:25:53
brought that down. However, there are a couple of areas that we are moving out of the precinct and back to shared services in that 00:26:00
it's not appear anymore but in the yellow there historically we've had our domestic violence detective in each of the precincts. 00:26:06
Those are getting moved out of each of the precincts and back to a shared service or Metro Police services with what we're going 00:26:13
to call it moving forward. 00:26:17
Into that area. So that way they are serving all of the communities with the domestic violence laws. They're. 00:26:21
They're very complicated and that way it's consistent, uniform. 00:26:27
For all of our partners across the board, the other thing that's going to be moving out of the precinct is a fraud detective. We 00:26:31
have one fraud detective here. They're gonna have a centralized product, and one of the things we found regularly is that fraud 00:26:35
suspects. 00:26:39
They used, they played jurisdictional boundaries and so it makes a lot more sense to centralize that. The other thing, the last 00:26:43
one that we've moved out of holiday. 00:26:48
Is traffic we are centralizing the Traffic Unit towards. 00:26:53
A regional service that. 00:26:58
Will be served by all the communities and that's kind of more of a. 00:27:00
Saturation type of unit that I'll go around and do saturation patrols and enforcement. 00:27:04
In all the communities, and that's one of the things you'll see. 00:27:08
On there though we have asked and part of that 5.33%. 00:27:11
Is still leading one traffic car here in holiday as you guys know and we talked about quite regularly here but. 00:27:15
Number of traffic complaints that you guys hear about, but I hear about that you continually hear about. I feel like it's 00:27:22
important to keep. 00:27:24
Traffic officer in here. 00:27:28
And. 00:27:31
I would even. I've talked a little bit about this with the mayor as well, but I would even. 00:27:31
Argue that it would be important to have a second traffic officer still here in holiday, which we would still. 00:27:36
Be able to maintain and address all of the traffic because that's really, and you guys know I joke with you before about it. I 00:27:41
mean, one of the biggest complaints we get here is traffic and and it's a lot. 00:27:46
I would much rather have those complaints. I'll take those all day long versus the complaints about the the murders, the 00:27:52
shootings, the robberies and stuff like that. 00:27:55
But we would still have access and still be able to use that centralized traffic saturation unit as well. Yeah, I think you know, 00:27:59
the way I look at this is. 00:28:03
You know, maybe a simple way to look at it. 00:28:08
We had, we had, we had to shrink things. 00:28:12
To make this work because the economies. 00:28:16
That we lost. 00:28:18
Based on what chief manager was just talking about? 00:28:19
Very good. Can you pull that back up again, CHEAT SHEET or shirt? Yeah, no, the financial finance piece. 00:28:22
So. 00:28:31
What? 00:28:32
If you look at it. 00:28:33
What chief Point was talking about we we moved our, our. 00:28:35
Visit victim, not victim. So domestic violence, effective fraud, detective. And then two traffic cars, but we've added one of the 00:28:40
traffic cars back in, so we're losing those is the motor is the same as the traffic part. OK, so. 00:28:46
So. 00:28:53
Those four things moved over to shared services. 00:28:54
That reduced our. 00:28:58
Precinct budget. 00:29:00
Yeah, I saw that how we saved about 8% on the precinct side. 00:29:02
We picked up a bunch for 10% on shared services, but with a net of 5%, right? 00:29:06
Right, so. 00:29:13
Yeah, I don't know if you can pull that back up cheap, but. 00:29:15
That's what Paul was saying. If you look at our precinct budget, it shrunk by about 400 and some odd 1000. 00:29:18
Our shared services budget increased by about 700. 00:29:23
Some thousand. 00:29:27
The next 518 What did we lose? 00:29:28
We lost control of those two individuals. 00:29:31
That chief was talking about and their exclusive attention, essentially, and exclusive attention and the two motors. 00:29:34
Technically one because. 00:29:41
Only one? Well, we lost two, but then we added one back in. 00:29:42
And. 00:29:47
You know, one of the and that's what I was leading that to The question for this body is. 00:29:49
I think what cheap oil would? 00:29:53
You may not say it, but I will. 00:29:56
Is that's a big complaint we've had for our? 00:29:58
Umm. 00:30:02
From our residents is. 00:30:03
Would we want to add that second one back in and basically not have a net loss at all? 00:30:06
Of the actual on St. patrolling inside our community and the cost would be. 00:30:12
What did you say about 1.3%? It's just about 2%, it's it's about was the 1.7 right now. You were playing with that off and on for 00:30:18
me anyway, we added, I think our options are going to be and we don't have to do this right now, but. 00:30:25
When we start going through this, if we wanted to add that traffic back in and probably take us closer to 7%. 00:30:32
And then the only net loss we'd really have would be those. 00:30:39
I'm gonna confuse those two. 00:30:43
Fraud detectors, but we've also gained in that scenario too, We also gained the ability. 00:30:47
To have these. 00:30:53
Saturation events inside the community, so those five motors that are inside shared services and we had one. 00:30:54
A week or two ago, right, Because we're going to get any right now, we'll have the ability to call that unit up and say. 00:31:01
You know, have access to it whenever it's our turn. 00:31:07
I think we had 53 or 4 citations. We saturated the city, especially inside school zones. 00:31:11
Couple weeks ago, right. And we would have access to that unit. So it's not that's not a net loss. 00:31:17
To the city. 00:31:22
Without access to them, they just won't be working. 00:31:24
Directly through our precincts, correct? 00:31:27
And and even to that point. 00:31:30
The fraud detective. You'll have access. 00:31:32
Through that whole unit, I think there was my memory certainly right there. 00:31:35
A supervisor and four detectives, 3 detectives. 00:31:38
So glad that we you'll have access to that whole unit and the domestic violence unit the exact same. 00:31:41
One supervisor and four detectives that. 00:31:46
If we have, you know, if we have a very egregious domestic violence case that you have that whole unit up here working it, helping 00:31:48
with that case. 00:31:52
So it's not that it's a true loss that we have access to more resources in them. So is there still the in terms of? 00:31:57
Shared services allocation. 00:32:04
Like the Seventy 2010 or whatever, correct? Are those sorts of formulas still applicable in terms of the? 00:32:07
Bulk of the cost for shared services goes to where the calls are correct. 00:32:13
Yeah. 00:32:16
Let me know that formula. 00:32:17
Was used for all of these numbers, although I would argue that. 00:32:19
This is. 00:32:24
And I don't want to throw another wrench into this because it's already gets political enough, but the valuation piece has always 00:32:25
been. 00:32:28
A head scratcher in terms of why that's part of the formula. 00:32:32
You know, wide evaluation of anything to do with how shared services are distributed, but if we do that? 00:32:38
If we do that, it will benefit holiday because we have a very high valuation ratio. 00:32:44
Hit a low. 00:32:50
And so it would shift that search shared services component if you changed to our benefit and to Midvale deficit and I would. 00:32:52
I would say that something to keep on the radar, but honestly? 00:33:02
Personally, I don't think that's something we should be messing with in the middle of this. There's enough problem. 00:33:06
Without throwing that wrench into the works OK, I don't have a problem. 00:33:13
Let me ask. Let me ask you a question about cola, cola issue and. 00:33:18
I'm assuming that that. 00:33:22
Whatever cost of living. 00:33:24
Applies for our personnel is going to have to be. 00:33:25
Entity wide It can't be. 00:33:30
You know holiday can't pay more. 00:33:32
You know then correct. 00:33:34
But and and but I'm wondering if this bottom line number. 00:33:35
If that, does that include a cost of living increase for 2024 and is that market sufficient? 00:33:39
It doesn't include. It doesn't include a cola. 00:33:48
But also one of my big concerns is that we we remain competitive. We. 00:33:51
Put up the money. 00:33:56
To. 00:33:57
To keep the best. 00:33:58
And and not? 00:34:00
You know, drain our force. 00:34:01
Yeah. Can I jump in here, Chief? That's a great question. 00:34:04
Because I brought this up at the board meeting yesterday and wanted to make sure. 00:34:08
That. 00:34:14
When we looked at this. 00:34:15
These are. 00:34:18
Essentially, transitional costs, these are loss of economies. 00:34:19
And we're going to go through this and then we're going to go right into a budget season, which is what you're bringing up. 00:34:24
And I wanted to make sure all of our councils. 00:34:30
Were. 00:34:33
Fully aware that as soon as this happens, we're going to go into a budget season and we're going to have real colors to deal with 00:34:35
and. 00:34:38
I've you know I've pretty much said you better add five or 6% to this because of exactly what you said, right. And you're right on 00:34:42
the money, they're just. 00:34:46
So that's. 00:34:51
Yeah, I don't want. 00:34:51
To do this and then have accountable, We'll wait a second. You told me it was 7% and. 00:34:53
And just the CD or something like that, but at least it's it's. 00:34:59
Yeah, that's not a bad suggestion. We're going to make sure that, you know, that has come up in other meetings before and some of 00:35:04
it has not been. 00:35:07
We're going to make sure that we're communicating that really clearly. 00:35:11
Especially after you're advised there at the last. 00:35:15
For me, there's many that are aware that that's going to happen. 00:35:18
I think we're going to kind of get into that with the budget happens. We're also watching what's happening around us. 00:35:22
What the markets doing around us here in Salt Lake? 00:35:27
Because, you know, we. 00:35:30
Refer to it. 00:35:32
People. 00:35:34
And everybody's. 00:35:35
Same resource. 00:35:36
So I hear rumors that that's gonna start again, again. 00:35:39
Real clear. 00:35:42
But I don't know. We'll have to see that. Yeah, maybe even aliens or something. 00:35:43
A note on here, Rick. Asterisk. Yeah, and maybe hold off on the additional staff until we settled. I I totally agree with you, 00:35:48
Paul, that as much as I'd love to have that. 00:35:53
Additional traffic person. 00:35:59
At least in holiday. 00:36:01
I would kind of be in favor of saying. This would be really, really nice to have. 00:36:03
But honestly? 00:36:07
Personally, I would rather. 00:36:09
Be able to be more aggressive with colas. 00:36:12
Do we have to add another body and then see how it goes and then? 00:36:15
Run a little bit short then. 00:36:19
And be able to be more aggressive, especially with. 00:36:22
You know, you can see where we're at with these other members are going to be a lot more pressure on them because they're going to 00:36:25
have to go out. I'm telling you, they're going to go out for property tax increases to make this work. 00:36:29
Well, I would like to say I won't get into the details now, but the numbers you're looking at here, especially that bottom line. 00:36:35
We have a couple other models that we've built. 00:36:41
Where that number is. 00:36:44
Reduced across the board. 00:36:46
Including one that's scale to you know about. 00:36:49
What the board asked for, which is 7%, but remember when you gained something. 00:36:52
Use something up, right? And that's why I want to meet the commanders on Wednesday and say. 00:36:56
Is what 7 looks like. 00:37:00
Let's go for it and then have that. 00:37:03
Create session. 00:37:05
Figure out if we can come to some sort of. 00:37:06
Something that's reasonable presentable to the board, to the council to bring that. 00:37:11
Again, some presents are achievable and like I told the last council with 0 percent is achievable, but. 00:37:16
When we were messed around the zero percent increase model. 00:37:22
Your services. 00:37:27
So sad we buried out in the backyard, sleeping. Never again. 00:37:29
Well, you get to. 00:37:34
I mean, what you're trying to preserve here is the culture of EPD. 00:37:35
When you start to cut really beyond. 00:37:40
Too much beyond this? 00:37:43
I think you start have to ask your questions whether you have. 00:37:45
Preserve the culture. 00:37:48
Yeah. In fact, you want to explain that loss to the county revenue and how the 7% rebuilds in? 00:37:51
Yeah, so. 00:37:58
We've we've talked about it here a little bit, but if you look in that, this is the bottom of the precinct. 00:38:00
So we as we move people from the precincts to the. 00:38:06
There was about a $5 million. 00:38:09
Is what the county paid for and shared services. 00:38:12
And then we move this $2,000,000 out of the precincts into here and that's why you're at 7.6 here. 00:38:15
And. 00:38:21
That's the that would be the difference. 00:38:24
Just by moving those those positions out. 00:38:27
And then taking the county out. 00:38:29
Yeah, it makes sense. 00:38:33
That's our bottom line. I think it's like 300,000 more. 00:38:34
The challenges is trying to keep the service levels up when you're now sharing what was not shared. 00:38:39
But then again. 00:38:45
That's the nature of shared services, so if we can still keep service levels up. 00:38:47
And draw on shared services. 00:38:51
Yeah, I think you may have been. 00:38:54
This this is an opportunity, not just a. 00:38:57
Pain in the neck. There's an opportunity to reconfigure. 00:38:59
And have a little more control perhaps? 00:39:02
And conversely, the model provides that if you add partners. 00:39:05
Your costs will go down. 00:39:08
Right. 00:39:09
Yeah. You know, I think the other piece of this is there were. 00:39:11
There were problems with the other model. 00:39:14
And so we've tried to create this. 00:39:17
This model as we're doing this to fix those problems so that if. 00:39:19
There are other. 00:39:22
Municipalities or agencies that want to look at joining. 00:39:25
It's an easy model to look at to see what you're going to get. 00:39:29
And you have a lot of latitude within your precinct to adjust the level of services to what you want and then you know. 00:39:33
What your search service is going to be? And and. 00:39:40
Obviously more marketable and the sheriff's not part of it. Which was, Which was. And when I say the sheriff, I don't mean. 00:39:43
Rosie Rivera I know, right? There was always a problem with the sheriff being connected with PD that. 00:39:50
Caused a lot of people not to want to look at it, so this. 00:39:56
Becomes a very easy. 00:39:59
Model for other people to kind of look at to see if they'd want to. 00:40:02
Entertain. 00:40:06
Maybe. 00:40:07
Joining a unified model. 00:40:09
No. 00:40:11
More, More. 00:40:13
More, More. 00:40:14
So I know that was a quick and down we could go on for a long time, but we're trying to get the butternut and. 00:40:15
What I mean, what do you want to tell? 00:40:22
Chief about. 00:40:25
Next steps, I mean, we're going to. 00:40:26
This is. 00:40:29
Way further along than when we started. I think we're getting, it's safe to say we're getting pretty close. 00:40:30
I think from holiday standpoint, we're probably going to defer to a lot of specialty communities like Midvale that are going to 00:40:36
have. 00:40:39
More. 00:40:43
Budget challenges, we're not going to, we're probably going to just kind of. 00:40:44
Sit and wait to see where things end up and. 00:40:48
All of that will go up and down based on that. 00:40:50
Where? 00:40:53
We're. 00:40:55
Quite a ways along on the interlocal or. 00:40:55
Goal is to have a interlocal. 00:40:58
That we could turn over to. 00:41:01
You know I want you. 00:41:03
Legal guys to get it and go over it so I don't have to sit in on that meeting and go to the bunch of attorneys and. 00:41:04
Be careful, but have you know get something we can get the attorneys and say. 00:41:13
Take care of all the legal issues in here. Give it back. 00:41:17
Us the kind of so it's really close to get to our councils by. 00:41:21
First part of January, so we could have voted in March and have that piece put to bed, but. 00:41:26
To keep marching along towards that July 1st date. 00:41:32
Going to share separate. 00:41:35
You know, have our merit piece. 00:41:39
All finalized. And then we'll have another announcement that I'm not going to say anything about right now because probably 00:41:41
premature, but. 00:41:44
We also want to provide a little stability to. 00:41:49
Our rank and file in terms of. 00:41:52
The You know what the future leadership of Unified is going to look like in Real. 00:41:55
I think we'll be able to talk about that a little bit more after next. 00:41:59
Yeah, Mayor, just. 00:42:04
To kind of cap this off because they have other things that. 00:42:06
And we do have a generalized transition plan. 00:42:09
And you can see here this little. 00:42:13
He. 00:42:15
Bottom right hand corner in terms of. 00:42:16
Task wise. 00:42:18
But we're only into this, you know, looking at a year and you can see. 00:42:20
Some of the status of these tasks in the first three months. 00:42:24
We're ahead of, way ahead of where I thought we. 00:42:27
In most areas, some areas are taking longer. 00:42:31
Things are looking for you with but. 00:42:35
It's we're adding to this document and coming up with other things. The next steps are to continue to develop that chart. 00:42:37
Continue to work with budget. 00:42:44
We've got. 00:42:46
Great fiscal folks. Finished the audit. 00:42:47
Wait to hear back from that when we get those audited numbers back. 00:42:50
We start working on the budget for next year, which will be. 00:42:53
You know, you could budget without Salt Lake County. 00:42:57
Hopefully answer a lot more questions. 00:43:01
I would love to be able to be in touch with your council and anytime you want us to come or. 00:43:03
Maybe you know a few months come give you another update or whatever you want to have it if you want. 00:43:10
So. 00:43:17