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Is it just a coincidence that we. 2024-06-04 17:54:35
Ordinance and now we have a. 2024-06-04 17:54:39
But the ordinance is not passed to the council. 2024-06-04 17:54:41
OK. So we're on there. 2024-06-04 17:54:45
More Rounds preorder. 2024-06-04 17:54:48
Right, free ordinance, all right. 2024-06-04 17:54:51
So there might be some of the changes in the future, but. 2024-06-04 17:54:54
As is, we evaluated. 2024-06-04 17:54:57
Under the existing code. 2024-06-04 17:55:00
So the modifications on the. 2024-06-04 17:55:03
That's pretty thorough in the. 2024-06-04 17:55:06
Submission. 2024-06-04 17:55:09
I did help some of the history of the site. 2024-06-04 17:55:12
Primarily the house. 2024-06-04 17:55:15
Was built the historic houses in the front. 2024-06-04 17:55:18
Front of the property there is an addition in 1979. 2024-06-04 17:55:21
On the rear side of the property. 2024-06-04 17:55:24
That incorporated a lot of the same elements that you can see in. 2024-06-04 17:55:27
Main house with the etcetera. 2024-06-04 17:55:30
Maybe some different bricks, but you know. 2024-06-04 17:55:33
Different time periods. 2024-06-04 17:55:36
So the modifications that the applicant is required. 2024-06-04 17:55:39
Westing is a tree. 2024-06-04 17:55:42
Removals, painting, window trim. 2024-06-04 17:55:45
Replacement of the. 2024-06-04 17:55:48
South side entrance door and the east side. 2024-06-04 17:55:51
Or fencing. 2024-06-04 17:55:54
And then adding removing an existing. 2024-06-04 17:55:57
Garage and carpet. 2024-06-04 17:56:00
Ford on the site, in the parking lot and then building a new. 2024-06-04 17:56:03
21 The applicant sent me over. 2024-06-04 17:56:06
Architectural. 2024-06-04 17:56:09
For the new garage, so we can look at that. 2024-06-04 17:56:12
And then some details. 2024-06-04 17:56:18
The staff report had a detailed review. 2024-06-04 17:56:24
From John as to. 2024-06-04 17:56:27
Each of the items that were submitted for changes. 2024-06-04 17:56:30
Is what the recommendation for each of those? 2024-06-04 17:56:33
And I think maybe if we just start there, if there's any question? 2024-06-04 17:56:36
On those recommendations. 2024-06-04 17:56:39
My question. 2024-06-04 17:56:42
How to get to the element? Because that certainly wasn't the historic. 2024-06-04 17:56:45
On the front of the brick. 2024-06-04 17:56:48
Yeah, or that front doorway. 2024-06-04 17:56:51
So the doors that are there are likely not. 2024-06-04 17:56:54
They were not there from the beginning. You could see in the. 2024-06-04 17:56:57
In the article. 2024-06-04 17:57:00
That was attached and probably. 2024-06-04 17:57:03
Just a pretty basic door, but that was in 19. 2024-06-04 17:57:06
79. 2024-06-04 17:57:09
So the door. 2024-06-04 17:57:12
Or at some point when? 2024-06-04 17:57:15
Oh, wait, so what's there is what is there? 2024-06-04 17:57:18
So we still have no landscapes. 2024-06-04 17:57:30
Plan other than just the truth. 2024-06-04 17:57:33
Being removed and then like. 2024-06-04 17:57:36
Three of them questioning on what they're being replaced. 2024-06-04 17:57:39
With and where, right? Yes, and. 2024-06-04 17:57:42
And the applicant was talking to you about that stage. 2024-06-04 17:57:45
So he'll have some proposed to. 2024-06-04 17:57:48
I was going to send him a. 2024-06-04 17:57:51
The three recommendation list. 2024-06-04 17:57:54
I'll likely pick something from that recommended list or. 2024-06-04 17:57:57
If the Commission has any suggestions as. 2024-06-04 17:58:00
I got a. 2024-06-04 17:58:04
And then what about the the fence? 2024-06-04 17:58:07
Thing on the West side is there. 2024-06-04 17:58:10
Any details provided as to what the fencing would be? 2024-06-04 17:58:13
Replaced with that you can. 2024-06-04 17:58:15
Ask the question what of the applicant of what? 2024-06-04 17:58:19
They were envisioning for that. 2024-06-04 17:58:22
Historically, possibly doing like a. 2024-06-04 17:58:25
An iron or black kind of open fence on the front. 2024-06-04 17:58:28
Under the property limited to the four feet in height. 2024-06-04 17:58:31
And then the rear of the property is. 2024-06-04 17:58:34
It's more open. 2024-06-04 17:58:37
And then there's nothing that I thought calling out what this. 2024-06-04 17:58:43
The plan? So they're demolishing the garage on the east. 2024-06-04 17:58:46
Side of the parking lot in the back and moving that. 2024-06-04 17:58:49
Back to the further back what? 2024-06-04 17:58:52
Where the garage was that called out on anything? 2024-06-04 17:58:55
It would be parking. 2024-06-04 17:58:58
So this would be essentially adding. 2024-06-04 17:59:01
New parking to it then, yeah. 2024-06-04 17:59:04
And then taking out some parking where the new garage would be going. 2024-06-04 17:59:07
In the front of the door. 2024-06-04 17:59:16
I. 2024-06-04 17:59:19
What's being proposed as a glass? 2024-06-04 17:59:22
Modern looks like A7. 2024-06-04 17:59:25
11 storefront, kind of. 2024-06-04 17:59:28
Typical commercial. 2024-06-04 17:59:31
Upgraded. 2024-06-04 17:59:34
OK. 2024-06-04 17:59:37
I don't know from whatever the cut and paste. 2024-06-04 17:59:40
I saw in the package it's. 2024-06-04 17:59:43
We'll jump in as soon as we get the real meeting. 2024-06-04 17:59:49
New elevations that were sent over to me today. 2024-06-04 17:59:55
So we can look at those, but that's. 2024-06-04 17:59:58
Why? 2024-06-04 18:00:04
Different than? Is that the side or the front? 2024-06-04 18:00:07
This looks like it's the side because here's the. 2024-06-04 18:00:10
Working this looks like the front. 2024-06-04 18:00:16
Is that the front? Oh, this is the east side. 2024-06-04 18:00:19
And then is the site also? 2024-06-04 18:00:25
Oh God, it's all east side. 2024-06-04 18:00:28
And then? 2024-06-04 18:00:31
And this is the detail for the new. 2024-06-04 18:00:34
Garage. 2024-06-04 18:00:37
Feel kind of angle to sit at this. 2024-06-04 18:00:43
In gold portion of the property on the. 2024-06-04 18:00:46
And before everybody got here, I was like bike. 2024-06-04 18:00:52
Council that there was notification sent out. 2024-06-04 18:00:55
But it was only the immediate. 2024-06-04 18:00:58
Norm, is that right? Like there was a limit? 2024-06-04 18:01:01
On the standard notification for this public hearing. 2024-06-04 18:01:04
Yeah, there was. It wasn't supposed to make that. 2024-06-04 18:01:07
OK. 2024-06-04 18:01:10
So it might be something we want to just continue. 2024-06-04 18:01:19
To ensure that we're we're. 2024-06-04 18:01:22
Process on everything and then can. 2024-06-04 18:01:25
1st we have the applicant address anything that doesn't get answered here. 2024-06-04 18:01:28
Tonight. 2024-06-04 18:01:31
OK. 2024-06-04 18:01:43
Any other questions? 2024-06-04 18:01:46
For city staff on this before we jump in and. 2024-06-04 18:01:49
Start the official. 2024-06-04 18:01:52
All right, that will close the work meeting. 2024-06-04 18:01:55
Kerry and let me know when we're ready to switch gear. 2024-06-04 18:01:58
Into the real thing. 2024-06-04 18:02:01
We can just jump right in, alrighty? 2024-06-04 18:02:04
Jumping in it is. Good evening everyone. 2024-06-04 18:02:07
Welcome to the Holiday Planning Commission, June 4th, 2024. 2024-06-04 18:02:11
In attendance we have Commissioner Gong Bill. 2024-06-04 18:02:14
Cunningham and. 2024-06-04 18:02:16
And then we have City Council, Brad Kostofferson and. 2024-06-04 18:02:20
City staff Carrie Marsh and we have one item on. 2024-06-04 18:02:23
On the agenda for the Brenton House historic site modification. 2024-06-04 18:02:26
Permit, Brad, Do we need to? 2024-06-04 18:02:29
Read the opening statement of the applicants, the only one here. 2024-06-04 18:02:31
All right, well, since there is nobody. 2024-06-04 18:02:35
From the public here, then, we will. 2024-06-04 18:02:38
The general opening statement that we begin with. 2024-06-04 18:02:41
And we will just move right into the 1st. 2024-06-04 18:02:44
Item and carry you kind of touched on this week. 2024-06-04 18:02:47
But if you want to give us a quick brief. 2024-06-04 18:02:50
Recap. 2024-06-04 18:02:53
The cure is always better to be. 2024-06-04 18:03:05
About the podium, OK. 2024-06-04 18:03:08
So this application is for historical. 2024-06-04 18:03:11
Work site modifications which is the conditional. 2024-06-04 18:03:14
For the Brenton House, which is a historic. 2024-06-04 18:03:17
Home Insights at 1981 EE. 2024-06-04 18:03:20
Marine Holiday Rd. The. 2024-06-04 18:03:23
The existing property has a historical. 2024-06-04 18:03:26
On the east, sorry, not the east side. 2024-06-04 18:03:29
With a addition that was. 2024-06-04 18:03:32
Added onto the north side of the home. 2024-06-04 18:03:35
In 1979. 2024-06-04 18:03:38
The applicant is proposing replacement. 2024-06-04 18:03:41
Of the front doors on the South side. 2024-06-04 18:03:44
And then the E stores next. 2024-06-04 18:03:47
The parking lot. Those are details. 2024-06-04 18:03:50
In their presentation. 2024-06-04 18:03:53
The other modifications are. 2024-06-04 18:03:56
Flight, landscaping, Removing trees. 2024-06-04 18:03:59
On the east side of the building. 2024-06-04 18:04:02
Since and then replacing those with some columnar. 2024-06-04 18:04:05
Evergreen. Three other. 2024-06-04 18:04:08
Homicide as shown as being. 2024-06-04 18:04:11
They would be replaced. 2024-06-04 18:04:14
The applicant would need to submit. 2024-06-04 18:04:17
Plan showing the replacement location for those 3 trees. 2024-06-04 18:04:20
Let's see. 2024-06-04 18:04:23
Their applicants also proposed. 2024-06-04 18:04:26
Closing to demolish a. 2024-06-04 18:04:29
Detached garage and a car. 2024-06-04 18:04:32
On the sides, they're both within the parking lot. 2024-06-04 18:04:35
And demolishing those they would build a larger. 2024-06-04 18:04:38
Garage on the north side of the. 2024-06-04 18:04:41
Other modifications on the structure. 2024-06-04 18:04:44
Painting all the window trims, trim and. 2024-06-04 18:04:47
Black as. 2024-06-04 18:04:50
The applicant can detail that. Also we're going to include the. 2024-06-04 18:04:53
But they didn't see that in their application. 2024-06-04 18:04:56
Let's see, I think. 2024-06-04 18:04:59
That is all of the points on there. There is a. 2024-06-04 18:05:02
They were proposing on the east side as well. 2024-06-04 18:05:05
The staff recommendation is. 2024-06-04 18:05:08
It's just adding some more ornate detailing so it kind of types it. 2024-06-04 18:05:11
And with the historical architecture. 2024-06-04 18:05:14
And possibly monster. 2024-06-04 18:05:17
Find the door so that they have more vis. 2024-06-04 18:05:20
Instead of a more typical goal. 2024-06-04 18:05:23
Glass retail door style. 2024-06-04 18:05:26
And I'll have the. 2024-06-04 18:05:29
Come up, they can go through kind of their. 2024-06-04 18:05:32
Presentation. I have that pulled up and. 2024-06-04 18:05:35
Answer any questions that the Commission has. 2024-06-04 18:05:38
Thank you very much and. 2024-06-04 18:05:41
The applicant or representative I have Katie. 2024-06-04 18:05:44
On here I'm just gonna make. 2024-06-04 18:05:47
Adventure to get that you are not Katie. 2024-06-04 18:05:50
OK. And what is your name? Ben Wink. 2024-06-04 18:05:53
Then what? Then wheat. Wheat. 2024-06-04 18:05:56
The bread. 2024-06-04 18:05:59
All right then. 2024-06-04 18:06:02
Just a little back story on this. 2024-06-04 18:06:11
We just recently purchased this. 2024-06-04 18:06:15
Building. We're going to. 2024-06-04 18:06:17
Use it for our headquarters, the company that I work for. 2024-06-04 18:06:20
For his Roderick Enterprises were a local. 2024-06-04 18:06:23
Land developer and property owner. 2024-06-04 18:06:26
Business since 1956, we've been. 2024-06-04 18:06:30
Established in Murray for the past 17 years. 2024-06-04 18:06:33
On a building on Vine Street and. 2024-06-04 18:06:36
We've just grown out of that building and then. 2024-06-04 18:06:39
And saw that curve. 2024-06-04 18:06:42
Was selling this and had a lot of attraction. 2024-06-04 18:06:44
Our company hasn't old Tyler. 2024-06-04 18:06:48
Our founding partner just grew up right. 2024-06-04 18:06:51
Right across the street from this they used to be. 2024-06-04 18:06:53
Gas service. They own the Chevron gas station. 2024-06-04 18:06:57
Off the 45th South in 20-30 East and so. 2024-06-04 18:07:00
We were excited for the opportunity. 2024-06-04 18:07:03
So we'll be making the 1st floor kind of. 2024-06-04 18:07:06
Our headquarters for our main operations. 2024-06-04 18:07:09
So as part of this. 2024-06-04 18:07:12
Application that we thinking. 2024-06-04 18:07:15
Great shape, Kirsten, a great job in maintaining it there. 2024-06-04 18:07:18
Just some things that we part of. 2024-06-04 18:07:21
Kind of freshening up is really the. 2024-06-04 18:07:24
Find the majority of this application. 2024-06-04 18:07:27
It. 2024-06-04 18:07:30
Kind of like Gary pointed out. 2024-06-04 18:07:33
Kind of Several themes on page 2. 2024-06-04 18:07:36
He kind of go go. 2024-06-04 18:07:39
Over what the suggested conditions of approval were. 2024-06-04 18:07:42
From staff the 1st. 2024-06-04 18:07:45
Thing that we're we're proposing is painting the window. 2024-06-04 18:07:48
The translation railing to be black. 2024-06-04 18:07:51
In the slide show. 2024-06-04 18:07:54
Presentation to carry. Yeah. So we we try. 2024-06-04 18:07:57
What we try to do here was just give step. 2024-06-04 18:08:00
What just a real. 2024-06-04 18:08:03
Realistic version of what we're proposing so. 2024-06-04 18:08:06
We just got. 2024-06-04 18:08:09
Try to do their best job. So really we're just, we're not. 2024-06-04 18:08:12
Changing any of the umm. 2024-06-04 18:08:15
We're not changing any of the structure on. 2024-06-04 18:08:18
The old Britain man. 2024-06-04 18:08:21
We're just simply painting the wood. 2024-06-04 18:08:24
Windows software and fascia and then. 2024-06-04 18:08:27
Like discussed earlier, replacing. 2024-06-04 18:08:30
The entrance doors. 2024-06-04 18:08:33
That are not part of the original structure with. 2024-06-04 18:08:36
It's a store front door, so it's. 2024-06-04 18:08:39
It's metal blackmail. 2024-06-04 18:08:42
Millions with pepper glass and so. 2024-06-04 18:08:45
This will be a 40 by 7 OH door with two. 2024-06-04 18:08:48
Sidelights on either side just to fulfill that. 2024-06-04 18:08:51
Current 6 foot opening. 2024-06-04 18:08:54
Part of that is. 2024-06-04 18:08:57
That when we started talking. 2024-06-04 18:09:00
To the attorney that's been there for a long time and just some. 2024-06-04 18:09:03
Addressing some of her concerns and we. 2024-06-04 18:09:06
Have some some of the same concerns on the east entrance? 2024-06-04 18:09:09
In terms of replacing that door. 2024-06-04 18:09:12
It's an old door. It's drafty. It's not. 2024-06-04 18:09:15
Period specific to the. 2024-06-04 18:09:18
Mansion aspect of it so. 2024-06-04 18:09:21
Part of the process was to try to renovate her space. 2024-06-04 18:09:24
A little bit and and address them. 2024-06-04 18:09:27
Concerns that she's had as a tenant for a long time from the. 2024-06-04 18:09:30
Previous ownership. 2024-06-04 18:09:33
So that's kind of the first bullet point in. 2024-06-04 18:09:36
Terms of what we're asking to do. 2024-06-04 18:09:39
The second is the. 2024-06-04 18:09:42
Talked a little bit about it, just putting. 2024-06-04 18:09:45
On the front and back. 2024-06-04 18:09:48
Excuse me, thank. 2024-06-04 18:09:51
Incorporated this in part of the application in talking with. 2024-06-04 18:09:54
I mean this part of the structure. 2024-06-04 18:09:57
Sure, That's not part of the mansion, is not really part of the. 2024-06-04 18:10:00
Historical structure, but just to be. 2024-06-04 18:10:03
Completely transparent on what we're doing with the entire project. 2024-06-04 18:10:06
Decided to add this to the to the overall. 2024-06-04 18:10:10
Application. Same thing here we would just be painting. 2024-06-04 18:10:12
Windows sophistication. 2024-06-04 18:10:16
Kind of that darker black color, the. 2024-06-04 18:10:18
Exhibit the carriage fit the Curia had up earlier. 2024-06-04 18:10:22
We're not actually putting a canopy on. 2024-06-04 18:10:25
And kind of that 3D rendering right there that. 2024-06-04 18:10:28
You can see on your screen it's just a black frame that. 2024-06-04 18:10:30
Frame that entrance out, so there's. 2024-06-04 18:10:34
Not actually. 2024-06-04 18:10:37
Both in Canada, you can kind of see there's a little bit of a code that's covered. 2024-06-04 18:10:40
And that's kind of the transition between the mansion and. 2024-06-04 18:10:43
The newer structure that was built in 79. 2024-06-04 18:10:46
So this was my. This was probably my fault. 2024-06-04 18:10:49
We were trying to render kind of. 2024-06-04 18:10:52
Before and after to try to give staff an understanding of what it would. 2024-06-04 18:10:55
Look like, but we're not doing the that's. 2024-06-04 18:10:58
Where you've got the yeah, that's. 2024-06-04 18:11:01
Not depicted in the in the. 2024-06-04 18:11:04
The 3D rendering that we have and this is part of what we've. 2024-06-04 18:11:07
Got established with our building permit the. 2024-06-04 18:11:10
Currently being reviewed about the building department. On that the key. 2024-06-04 18:11:13
The eye aspect of so the frame is going to come. 2024-06-04 18:11:16
It's partially going to cover. 2024-06-04 18:11:19
Whatever you want to call that hexagon. 2024-06-04 18:11:22
On slanted facing out wall. 2024-06-04 18:11:25
Yeah. And and kind of the idea is. 2024-06-04 18:11:28
And then different thing on the salad. 2024-06-04 18:11:34
There won't be any physical. 2024-06-04 18:11:40
Shooting out into the. 2024-06-04 18:11:43
Picture of this. 2024-06-04 18:11:49
The eyebrows. 2024-06-04 18:11:52
Cropping. It's just going to be a metal frame. 2024-06-04 18:11:55
And then a few. 2024-06-04 18:11:58
You know what? Going back. 2024-06-04 18:12:07
Again, this is this part I think we have. 2024-06-04 18:12:13
Siri, play me some mommy's New Jersey. 2024-06-04 18:12:16
Change your mind. But this wasn't. 2024-06-04 18:12:19
We some of those conversations. 2024-06-04 18:12:22
It's is this part of the historical structure? 2024-06-04 18:12:25
It's not because it was added in 79, but. 2024-06-04 18:12:28
Yeah. 2024-06-04 18:12:31
So no canopies, it's just that metal. 2024-06-04 18:12:34
Metal frame around the opening and then again the store that would be. 2024-06-04 18:12:37
Place the existing kind of yellow door. 2024-06-04 18:12:40
And and the glass on the front of the front of the. 2024-06-04 18:12:46
Frosted with this? No, it'll be clear. 2024-06-04 18:12:49
Yeah, that's it. It won't be profit. It'll be clear. 2024-06-04 18:12:52
Just like this. This one's clear, but the front one on the front is. 2024-06-04 18:12:55
Not going to be clear as well. Oh yeah, OK, yeah. 2024-06-04 18:12:58
Looking at what's in there, now contrast that. I mean, I'm just. 2024-06-04 18:13:01
Curious if you look. 2024-06-04 18:13:04
Sorry to the other graphic that. 2024-06-04 18:13:07
Brought in. 2024-06-04 18:13:10
I mean significant. 2024-06-04 18:13:13
Different. I mean, aside from the double doors. 2024-06-04 18:13:16
Right, so the double doors get replaced. 2024-06-04 18:13:19
By eight. Oh, so it's four feet wide by 8 feet tall. 2024-06-04 18:13:22
And then that's the two and I just have two large sidelines. 2024-06-04 18:13:25
That that whole entrance. 2024-06-04 18:13:28
The two yellow doors and then all the windows around it. 2024-06-04 18:13:31
That whole portion of it will be report. 2024-06-04 18:13:34
Play with the black storefront. 2024-06-04 18:13:37
OK. Thank you. 2024-06-04 18:13:43
I'm wrapping my mind around it, sorry. I'll circle back. 2024-06-04 18:13:55
Of that thought later. 2024-06-04 18:13:58
So that's number two. 2024-06-04 18:14:01
#3 was the awning again, we're not doing an awning so. 2024-06-04 18:14:05
That I mean, we don't. I guess we can. 2024-06-04 18:14:07
Table there. We don't need that. You're doing a cross. 2024-06-04 18:14:11
Essentially right? Correct. Yep. 2024-06-04 18:14:13
Crossbar will not sit out past the. 2024-06-04 18:14:17
Nope, building it's going to stay inside that. 2024-06-04 18:14:20
**** eyed wall and the other wall. Yeah, exactly like that. 2024-06-04 18:14:23
Yep, Yep. 2024-06-04 18:14:26
#4 would just be a fence replacement in court. 2024-06-04 18:14:29
Holiday fence regulations, obviously. 2024-06-04 18:14:32
Portions of that fence or just have been neglected. 2024-06-04 18:14:35
Collected in terms of maintenance and the. 2024-06-04 18:14:38
That happens happening on the West side. 2024-06-04 18:14:41
We haven't proposed anything in terms of. 2024-06-04 18:14:44
Material that in terms of looking at. 2024-06-04 18:14:47
The code that's monitored all by code. 2024-06-04 18:14:50
Probably something like this in terms of the metal metal rod fence. 2024-06-04 18:14:53
Thing is probably what we would do up here on the front of the. 2024-06-04 18:14:56
The rest of this in the back is like a. 2024-06-04 18:14:59
6 foot chain link fence and then some of this was. 2024-06-04 18:15:02
That wood fence there on the West side? 2024-06-04 18:15:05
I mean part of this is. 2024-06-04 18:15:08
Because this is the historical site so. 2024-06-04 18:15:11
All of these we just wanted to stay within. 2024-06-04 18:15:14
Policy and above board that we're bringing all this. 2024-06-04 18:15:17
These items. 2024-06-04 18:15:20
To staff and appointing Commission but. 2024-06-04 18:15:23
We just wanted to make sure that. 2024-06-04 18:15:26
Kind of. Everyone knew what we were doing. 2024-06-04 18:15:29
So we don't you don't know currently what that. 2024-06-04 18:15:32
Is going to be or you haven't committed anything. 2024-06-04 18:15:35
So we don't know material, but again, there's code that's put in place that. 2024-06-04 18:15:38
We would have to follow in regards to the replacement. 2024-06-04 18:15:41
With it being historic site. 2024-06-04 18:15:44
There's a little bit of nuance. 2024-06-04 18:15:47
To that right, Yeah, I mean. 2024-06-04 18:15:50
My question is, you know, again, we don't. 2024-06-04 18:15:53
And that and with a lot of. 2024-06-04 18:15:56
No real plan or something change from the agenda. 2024-06-04 18:15:59
And everything. I'm really concerned, this whole thing. 2024-06-04 18:16:02
Premature to be in front of us because. 2024-06-04 18:16:05
Everything's changing. 2024-06-04 18:16:08
We spent the time to look at a packet Sunday and now it's. 2024-06-04 18:16:11
All different and that would. 2024-06-04 18:16:14
The fencing emperor in particular, I guess my. 2024-06-04 18:16:17
Question is, there's a lot of things that are allowed under the code. 2024-06-04 18:16:20
That may not make sense on a historic site. 2024-06-04 18:16:23
Unlike we're being asked to give blanket permission as long as you. 2024-06-04 18:16:26
As you call the code, it's OK, but the. 2024-06-04 18:16:29
To make sure it maintains the historic character. 2024-06-04 18:16:32
And that and so without knowing what you're going to. 2024-06-04 18:16:35
Build the fence I don't know how I could ever vote on. 2024-06-04 18:16:38
On it and they I think there's a whole bunch of. 2024-06-04 18:16:41
Proposal evolving. 2024-06-04 18:16:44
And we don't have the details and that. 2024-06-04 18:16:47
Probably not going to vote on it tonight anyway because of the notice. 2024-06-04 18:16:50
Problem and that which might be a saving grade. 2024-06-04 18:16:53
Next time we should have all these details. 2024-06-04 18:16:56
In the packet and the plan and that too. 2024-06-04 18:16:59
I can't vote on the fence, for example, until I know. 2024-06-04 18:17:02
Was saying that it's. 2024-06-04 18:17:05
Compliant with the code isn't sufficient to say whether. 2024-06-04 18:17:08
Meets historical look of the. 2024-06-04 18:17:11
Historical building and a lot that we're trying to keep. 2024-06-04 18:17:14
It's a beautiful building, I. 2024-06-04 18:17:17
Great, but I you could put up another six. 2024-06-04 18:17:21
But wouldn't count them. 2024-06-04 18:17:23
That would meet the code, but it may not work. 2024-06-04 18:17:27
Train links then for that matter, right, and I would. 2024-06-04 18:17:30
I would say that if there's any guide guidance. 2024-06-04 18:17:33
That you'd like to provide the applicant on maybe what you'd like to see those? 2024-06-04 18:17:36
Not just taking a shot in the dark. It's OK. 2024-06-04 18:17:39
Here is. 2024-06-04 18:17:42
There's like a darker colored. 2024-06-04 18:17:45
Colored wood or. 2024-06-04 18:17:48
There's any material specifics that? 2024-06-04 18:17:51
Be kind of. 2024-06-04 18:17:54
We'd like to be real. 2024-06-04 18:17:57
Yeah, it's a great testament, Great point, Paul, I think. 2024-06-04 18:18:00
What we'll do is we'll Well, Mr. we. 2024-06-04 18:18:03
You know, kind of walking us through everything on here. I. 2024-06-04 18:18:06
And we'll kind of ask you some questions as we go along, but then. 2024-06-04 18:18:09
Maybe we can make some recommendations on what we'd like. 2024-06-04 18:18:12
To see with the motion that will probably be to continue. 2024-06-04 18:18:15
For a future meeting. 2024-06-04 18:18:18
Would recommend opening the public hearing OK just. 2024-06-04 18:18:21
And then continuing it OK for the neck. 2024-06-04 18:18:25
Time, OK. 2024-06-04 18:18:27
Historical committee getting notified if anyone. 2024-06-04 18:18:30
Showing up tonight, I would have thought the historical committee would have been here. 2024-06-04 18:18:33
Here after our last meeting and that night. 2024-06-04 18:18:36
I'm guessing they don't live within 5 feet. 2024-06-04 18:18:39
So they weren't noticed. Well, I mean the agenda. 2024-06-04 18:18:42
Published properly, right? Right. So. 2024-06-04 18:18:45
They're paying attention to the agenda they would have. 2024-06-04 18:18:48
Notice that way you fight the rest of public. 2024-06-04 18:18:51
But I don't think there's any special consideration or notice. 2024-06-04 18:18:54
Given to the Historical Commission. 2024-06-04 18:18:57
Not a legislative body. 2024-06-04 18:19:00
I think the historic Commission's job is to. 2024-06-04 18:19:03
Take placement as a historic building. 2024-06-04 18:19:06
And I know that part of this discussion with the Council is. 2024-06-04 18:19:09
What role should they play? And so that's kind of evolving. 2024-06-04 18:19:12
My understanding is the Historical Commission would like to play a much. 2024-06-04 18:19:15
Bigger role? Sure. And. 2024-06-04 18:19:18
Intention between the Council on that. 2024-06-04 18:19:21
Personally I I would rather have someone in historical training talk. 2024-06-04 18:19:24
Historical They would know a whole lot more than I would, so. 2024-06-04 18:19:30
So I mean there's not a requirement for the application. 2024-06-04 18:19:33
And to discuss. 2024-06-04 18:19:36
What the Historical Commission, but it could be advisable. 2024-06-04 18:19:39
Umm, if they wanted to take some ideas to. 2024-06-04 18:19:42
And then we sent those, so then they come back. 2024-06-04 18:19:45
We've discussed this with the historical. 2024-06-04 18:19:48
Committee. These were their suggestions. It's. 2024-06-04 18:19:51
They help things. 2024-06-04 18:19:54
With some guidance for the Planning Commission, you're. 2024-06-04 18:19:57
Possibly feeling like you don't have all of the. 2024-06-04 18:20:00
Historical background to make some of the history. 2024-06-04 18:20:03
Historical design calls that the historical. 2024-06-04 18:20:06
Committee might or if the applicant has. 2024-06-04 18:20:09
You know some. 2024-06-04 18:20:12
On here is this. This is why it is. 2024-06-04 18:20:15
Historical and kind of tying that in. 2024-06-04 18:20:18
So there's there's some options there that. 2024-06-04 18:20:21
Continuing, it can come back with some some more detail. 2024-06-04 18:20:24
Tells that. 2024-06-04 18:20:27
Some of those Gray areas for their Commission. 2024-06-04 18:20:30
Requirement, but a strong suggestion. 2024-06-04 18:20:33
To solicit their feedback. 2024-06-04 18:20:36
N. 2024-06-04 18:20:39
That makes sense. So then we just talked right over. 2024-06-04 18:20:42
Be there for a couple minutes. You want to walk it through the rest of us now. 2024-06-04 18:20:45
Yeah, again, I don't necessarily. 2024-06-04 18:20:48
No, I mean again, going back to starting. 2024-06-04 18:20:51
Painting of window trimming space and the railing is black. 2024-06-04 18:20:54
That hasn't changed in what we. 2024-06-04 18:20:57
For you, rehabilitation of the existing. 2024-06-04 18:21:01
Wood door the render. 2024-06-04 18:21:03
Way to try to give the Planning Commission some. 2024-06-04 18:21:06
Sort of idea of what we were looking for versus just. 2024-06-04 18:21:09
Asking what or blanket asking what we were doing. 2024-06-04 18:21:13
We can just delete that. 2024-06-04 18:21:16
Just because it's inaccurate from that standpoint for. 2024-06-04 18:21:19
The next meeting #3 would be. 2024-06-04 18:21:22
Deleted because we're not asking for an awning. 2024-06-04 18:21:24
Fence replacement. 2024-06-04 18:21:27
Yeah, I mean, I, I guess I kind of agree with Gary and. 2024-06-04 18:21:31
Terms of some direction of. 2024-06-04 18:21:33
We don't. It's in the. 2024-06-04 18:21:37
Bad shape as it is. 2024-06-04 18:21:40
Whatever we would probably propose. 2024-06-04 18:21:43
Would be better than that, but. 2024-06-04 18:21:46
As long as it's not barbed wire, right? 2024-06-04 18:21:49
Yeah. Are you tearing out this brick? Brick. 2024-06-04 18:21:52
In front or is that that's going to stay OK? 2024-06-04 18:21:55
All right. Just double checking. Thank you. 2024-06-04 18:21:58
Yeah. 2024-06-04 18:22:01
So I mean. 2024-06-04 18:22:01
Brick wall. Yeah, the fencing. The fencing is. 2024-06-04 18:22:04
The fencing around the property is is. 2024-06-04 18:22:07
Along the website is probably the worst. 2024-06-04 18:22:10
What I've provided is the. 2024-06-04 18:22:13
Examples here on the north and east side. 2024-06-04 18:22:16
Team link fencing with. 2024-06-04 18:22:19
Privacy as you can. 2024-06-04 18:22:22
Kind of see there I mean. 2024-06-04 18:22:25
If the requirement from. 2024-06-04 18:22:28
The staffer historical committee is. 2024-06-04 18:22:31
To continue a brick wall, we could probably just. 2024-06-04 18:22:34
Leave it just because of a cost standpoint, right? 2024-06-04 18:22:37
You know, we were probably going to do on that West side. 2024-06-04 18:22:40
Sort of wrought iron fencing along as long as. 2024-06-04 18:22:43
The city code we're not going to do. 2024-06-04 18:22:46
Or something that would look completely out of place. 2024-06-04 18:22:49
With the historical building. 2024-06-04 18:22:52
Aspect of it. 2024-06-04 18:22:55
#5 is. 2024-06-04 18:22:58
Land feeding plan showing replacement trees in the court. 2024-06-04 18:23:01
Holiday code. 2024-06-04 18:23:04
I yeah. So I don't have it. I don't I can. 2024-06-04 18:23:07
I can get my landscape engineer to do an actual landscape. 2024-06-04 18:23:10
Plan these three. 2024-06-04 18:23:13
That we're going to replace one for one with. 2024-06-04 18:23:16
Caller Aspen. 2024-06-04 18:23:19
These or a polymer? 2024-06-04 18:23:22
Evergreen trees, these are. 2024-06-04 18:23:28
Way too close to the building and. 2024-06-04 18:23:31
Provide a lot of issues from an insurance. 2024-06-04 18:23:34
Standpoint from fire safety. 2024-06-04 18:23:37
And growing and getting leaves in the gutters and the. 2024-06-04 18:23:40
Those types of things, so. 2024-06-04 18:23:43
And yeah, so then you can kind of see. 2024-06-04 18:23:46
That's those are the ones that right up in. 2024-06-04 18:23:49
These are the ones that were depicted in that picture that we would. 2024-06-04 18:23:52
Place and one for one and then the. 2024-06-04 18:23:55
Three other trees were the two trees out front. 2024-06-04 18:23:58
Part of the yeah, right there, part of that. 2024-06-04 18:24:01
It's a huge block to the front end of the building in terms of from. 2024-06-04 18:24:04
Leasability standpoint, we'll still have tenants in the. 2024-06-04 18:24:07
In the in and of the upstairs and part of. 2024-06-04 18:24:10
Providing visibility. 2024-06-04 18:24:13
To that site as we try to attract tenants to occupy the. 2024-06-04 18:24:16
Vacant space in there, we just. 2024-06-04 18:24:19
That's a huge deterrent, so we would want to take. 2024-06-04 18:24:22
Those trees down and relocate them on site. 2024-06-04 18:24:25
And again if if. 2024-06-04 18:24:28
If staff thinks that. 2024-06-04 18:24:31
Landscape Plan. 2024-06-04 18:24:34
I'm happy to provide it. 2024-06-04 18:24:37
Umm. 2024-06-04 18:24:41
Six and seven kind of go hand in hand. 2024-06-04 18:24:43
So, Carrie, scroll up. Sorry, just right. 2024-06-04 18:24:47
Yeah, right there. 2024-06-04 18:24:49
So we we personally think. 2024-06-04 18:24:52
That the placement of the existing garage takes away from. 2024-06-04 18:24:56
Historical aspect of the site. 2024-06-04 18:24:58
You can see this from. 2024-06-04 18:25:02
Three level of Murray Holiday Blvd. It has. 2024-06-04 18:25:05
Absolutely no correlation. 2024-06-04 18:25:07
Tie in of the existing structure. 2024-06-04 18:25:11
Nothing historically color wise. 2024-06-04 18:25:14
The brick material or anything wise? 2024-06-04 18:25:17
Into the historical structure of the site. 2024-06-04 18:25:20
Our proposal would be to tear that down. 2024-06-04 18:25:23
That would that would add an additional 5 parking stalls. 2024-06-04 18:25:26
There and then to tear down the. 2024-06-04 18:25:29
Carport in the back and then relocate that garage. 2024-06-04 18:25:31
In the rear of the building, which could not be. 2024-06-04 18:25:35
You can kind of see the carport, so that's where the new garage was. 2024-06-04 18:25:38
So this would be hidden from street sites. 2024-06-04 18:25:41
The elevations that I provide. 2024-06-04 18:25:44
That carried today from our architect. 2024-06-04 18:25:47
Be just a full brick building to match. 2024-06-04 18:25:50
Brick of the probably the the atom. 2024-06-04 18:25:53
Structure that was built on 19. 2024-06-04 18:25:56
1979. 2024-06-04 18:25:59
Comment on that in terms of additional things that. 2024-06-04 18:26:05
That Planning Commission would about would like to see on some. 2024-06-04 18:26:08
Like that again? 2024-06-04 18:26:11
That we'd still have to go through the building department to make sure that that's. 2024-06-04 18:26:14
Complies with all city. 2024-06-04 18:26:17
Standards and everything else, one way you're sitting in the back. 2024-06-04 18:26:20
Corner, sorry to cut you off, but you're good with us. 2024-06-04 18:26:23
Second, I mean it looks like you you're proposing something that. 2024-06-04 18:26:26
Two-story building. 2024-06-04 18:26:29
Set back basically. 2024-06-04 18:26:32
Up against the fence. 2024-06-04 18:26:35
So I don't know is this. 2024-06-04 18:26:38
In a zone that allows for. 2024-06-04 18:26:41
No setbacks and. 2024-06-04 18:26:44
The roof to be at that high. 2024-06-04 18:26:47
Yeah. So as long as we're not in a. 2024-06-04 18:26:50
Approaching a residential zone, so we've got the back parking lot. 2024-06-04 18:26:53
A lot of the commercial project for the West and then to the. 2024-06-04 18:26:56
North of the canal. 2024-06-04 18:26:59
So it's the canal. What in the canal said in the same. 2024-06-04 18:27:02
Commercial zone. 2024-06-04 18:27:05
I don't know. 2024-06-04 18:27:08
Hold on, that would be the only concern there is suddenly. 2024-06-04 18:27:11
Neighbor across the canal is now looking at a giant wall where. 2024-06-04 18:27:14
You know, trees and a fence was. 2024-06-04 18:27:17
The location of the building. 2024-06-04 18:27:20
Not something that is really negotiable, controlled by. 2024-06-04 18:27:23
So it will meet the standards of the zone. 2024-06-04 18:27:26
Whatever, Bill. Step back, Sir. 2024-06-04 18:27:29
And then #8 this is no addition of life. 2024-06-04 18:27:35
Within the parking lot and we were proposing. 2024-06-04 18:27:38
Alrighty. 2024-06-04 18:27:44
Was there Commission any other? 2024-06-04 18:27:50
Questions for the applicant at this time just going. 2024-06-04 18:27:53
To the door, particularly on the front side. 2024-06-04 18:27:56
Where that historical? 2024-06-04 18:27:59
It was brought to her attention that. 2024-06-04 18:28:05
Kind of the word as like it. 2024-06-04 18:28:08
At least, umm. 2024-06-04 18:28:11
Mention of some heaviness there that. 2024-06-04 18:28:14
Keep it a little closer to this. 2024-06-04 18:28:17
Period of the house and looking. 2024-06-04 18:28:20
I know you stated like 711. 2024-06-04 18:28:23
That wasn't a real accurate depiction on what you. 2024-06-04 18:28:26
They're working through but just wondering if. 2024-06-04 18:28:29
Couldn't get, you know it. 2024-06-04 18:28:32
But a little bit. 2024-06-04 18:28:35
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Is it just a coincidence that we. 2024-06-04 17:54:35
Ordinance and now we have a. 2024-06-04 17:54:39
But the ordinance is not passed to the council. 2024-06-04 17:54:41
OK. So we're on there. 2024-06-04 17:54:45
More Rounds preorder. 2024-06-04 17:54:48
Right, free ordinance, all right. 2024-06-04 17:54:51
So there might be some of the changes in the future, but. 2024-06-04 17:54:54
As is, we evaluated. 2024-06-04 17:54:57
Under the existing code. 2024-06-04 17:55:00
So the modifications on the. 2024-06-04 17:55:03
That's pretty thorough in the. 2024-06-04 17:55:06
Submission. 2024-06-04 17:55:09
I did help some of the history of the site. 2024-06-04 17:55:12
Primarily the house. 2024-06-04 17:55:15
Was built the historic houses in the front. 2024-06-04 17:55:18
Front of the property there is an addition in 1979. 2024-06-04 17:55:21
On the rear side of the property. 2024-06-04 17:55:24
That incorporated a lot of the same elements that you can see in. 2024-06-04 17:55:27
Main house with the etcetera. 2024-06-04 17:55:30
Maybe some different bricks, but you know. 2024-06-04 17:55:33
Different time periods. 2024-06-04 17:55:36
So the modifications that the applicant is required. 2024-06-04 17:55:39
Westing is a tree. 2024-06-04 17:55:42
Removals, painting, window trim. 2024-06-04 17:55:45
Replacement of the. 2024-06-04 17:55:48
South side entrance door and the east side. 2024-06-04 17:55:51
Or fencing. 2024-06-04 17:55:54
And then adding removing an existing. 2024-06-04 17:55:57
Garage and carpet. 2024-06-04 17:56:00
Ford on the site, in the parking lot and then building a new. 2024-06-04 17:56:03
21 The applicant sent me over. 2024-06-04 17:56:06
Architectural. 2024-06-04 17:56:09
For the new garage, so we can look at that. 2024-06-04 17:56:12
And then some details. 2024-06-04 17:56:18
The staff report had a detailed review. 2024-06-04 17:56:24
From John as to. 2024-06-04 17:56:27
Each of the items that were submitted for changes. 2024-06-04 17:56:30
Is what the recommendation for each of those? 2024-06-04 17:56:33
And I think maybe if we just start there, if there's any question? 2024-06-04 17:56:36
On those recommendations. 2024-06-04 17:56:39
My question. 2024-06-04 17:56:42
How to get to the element? Because that certainly wasn't the historic. 2024-06-04 17:56:45
On the front of the brick. 2024-06-04 17:56:48
Yeah, or that front doorway. 2024-06-04 17:56:51
So the doors that are there are likely not. 2024-06-04 17:56:54
They were not there from the beginning. You could see in the. 2024-06-04 17:56:57
In the article. 2024-06-04 17:57:00
That was attached and probably. 2024-06-04 17:57:03
Just a pretty basic door, but that was in 19. 2024-06-04 17:57:06
79. 2024-06-04 17:57:09
So the door. 2024-06-04 17:57:12
Or at some point when? 2024-06-04 17:57:15
Oh, wait, so what's there is what is there? 2024-06-04 17:57:18
So we still have no landscapes. 2024-06-04 17:57:30
Plan other than just the truth. 2024-06-04 17:57:33
Being removed and then like. 2024-06-04 17:57:36
Three of them questioning on what they're being replaced. 2024-06-04 17:57:39
With and where, right? Yes, and. 2024-06-04 17:57:42
And the applicant was talking to you about that stage. 2024-06-04 17:57:45
So he'll have some proposed to. 2024-06-04 17:57:48
I was going to send him a. 2024-06-04 17:57:51
The three recommendation list. 2024-06-04 17:57:54
I'll likely pick something from that recommended list or. 2024-06-04 17:57:57
If the Commission has any suggestions as. 2024-06-04 17:58:00
I got a. 2024-06-04 17:58:04
And then what about the the fence? 2024-06-04 17:58:07
Thing on the West side is there. 2024-06-04 17:58:10
Any details provided as to what the fencing would be? 2024-06-04 17:58:13
Replaced with that you can. 2024-06-04 17:58:15
Ask the question what of the applicant of what? 2024-06-04 17:58:19
They were envisioning for that. 2024-06-04 17:58:22
Historically, possibly doing like a. 2024-06-04 17:58:25
An iron or black kind of open fence on the front. 2024-06-04 17:58:28
Under the property limited to the four feet in height. 2024-06-04 17:58:31
And then the rear of the property is. 2024-06-04 17:58:34
It's more open. 2024-06-04 17:58:37
And then there's nothing that I thought calling out what this. 2024-06-04 17:58:43
The plan? So they're demolishing the garage on the east. 2024-06-04 17:58:46
Side of the parking lot in the back and moving that. 2024-06-04 17:58:49
Back to the further back what? 2024-06-04 17:58:52
Where the garage was that called out on anything? 2024-06-04 17:58:55
It would be parking. 2024-06-04 17:58:58
So this would be essentially adding. 2024-06-04 17:59:01
New parking to it then, yeah. 2024-06-04 17:59:04
And then taking out some parking where the new garage would be going. 2024-06-04 17:59:07
In the front of the door. 2024-06-04 17:59:16
I. 2024-06-04 17:59:19
What's being proposed as a glass? 2024-06-04 17:59:22
Modern looks like A7. 2024-06-04 17:59:25
11 storefront, kind of. 2024-06-04 17:59:28
Typical commercial. 2024-06-04 17:59:31
Upgraded. 2024-06-04 17:59:34
OK. 2024-06-04 17:59:37
I don't know from whatever the cut and paste. 2024-06-04 17:59:40
I saw in the package it's. 2024-06-04 17:59:43
We'll jump in as soon as we get the real meeting. 2024-06-04 17:59:49
New elevations that were sent over to me today. 2024-06-04 17:59:55
So we can look at those, but that's. 2024-06-04 17:59:58
Why? 2024-06-04 18:00:04
Different than? Is that the side or the front? 2024-06-04 18:00:07
This looks like it's the side because here's the. 2024-06-04 18:00:10
Working this looks like the front. 2024-06-04 18:00:16
Is that the front? Oh, this is the east side. 2024-06-04 18:00:19
And then is the site also? 2024-06-04 18:00:25
Oh God, it's all east side. 2024-06-04 18:00:28
And then? 2024-06-04 18:00:31
And this is the detail for the new. 2024-06-04 18:00:34
Garage. 2024-06-04 18:00:37
Feel kind of angle to sit at this. 2024-06-04 18:00:43
In gold portion of the property on the. 2024-06-04 18:00:46
And before everybody got here, I was like bike. 2024-06-04 18:00:52
Council that there was notification sent out. 2024-06-04 18:00:55
But it was only the immediate. 2024-06-04 18:00:58
Norm, is that right? Like there was a limit? 2024-06-04 18:01:01
On the standard notification for this public hearing. 2024-06-04 18:01:04
Yeah, there was. It wasn't supposed to make that. 2024-06-04 18:01:07
OK. 2024-06-04 18:01:10
So it might be something we want to just continue. 2024-06-04 18:01:19
To ensure that we're we're. 2024-06-04 18:01:22
Process on everything and then can. 2024-06-04 18:01:25
1st we have the applicant address anything that doesn't get answered here. 2024-06-04 18:01:28
Tonight. 2024-06-04 18:01:31
OK. 2024-06-04 18:01:43
Any other questions? 2024-06-04 18:01:46
For city staff on this before we jump in and. 2024-06-04 18:01:49
Start the official. 2024-06-04 18:01:52
All right, that will close the work meeting. 2024-06-04 18:01:55
Kerry and let me know when we're ready to switch gear. 2024-06-04 18:01:58
Into the real thing. 2024-06-04 18:02:01
We can just jump right in, alrighty? 2024-06-04 18:02:04
Jumping in it is. Good evening everyone. 2024-06-04 18:02:07
Welcome to the Holiday Planning Commission, June 4th, 2024. 2024-06-04 18:02:11
In attendance we have Commissioner Gong Bill. 2024-06-04 18:02:14
Cunningham and. 2024-06-04 18:02:16
And then we have City Council, Brad Kostofferson and. 2024-06-04 18:02:20
City staff Carrie Marsh and we have one item on. 2024-06-04 18:02:23
On the agenda for the Brenton House historic site modification. 2024-06-04 18:02:26
Permit, Brad, Do we need to? 2024-06-04 18:02:29
Read the opening statement of the applicants, the only one here. 2024-06-04 18:02:31
All right, well, since there is nobody. 2024-06-04 18:02:35
From the public here, then, we will. 2024-06-04 18:02:38
The general opening statement that we begin with. 2024-06-04 18:02:41
And we will just move right into the 1st. 2024-06-04 18:02:44
Item and carry you kind of touched on this week. 2024-06-04 18:02:47
But if you want to give us a quick brief. 2024-06-04 18:02:50
Recap. 2024-06-04 18:02:53
The cure is always better to be. 2024-06-04 18:03:05
About the podium, OK. 2024-06-04 18:03:08
So this application is for historical. 2024-06-04 18:03:11
Work site modifications which is the conditional. 2024-06-04 18:03:14
For the Brenton House, which is a historic. 2024-06-04 18:03:17
Home Insights at 1981 EE. 2024-06-04 18:03:20
Marine Holiday Rd. The. 2024-06-04 18:03:23
The existing property has a historical. 2024-06-04 18:03:26
On the east, sorry, not the east side. 2024-06-04 18:03:29
With a addition that was. 2024-06-04 18:03:32
Added onto the north side of the home. 2024-06-04 18:03:35
In 1979. 2024-06-04 18:03:38
The applicant is proposing replacement. 2024-06-04 18:03:41
Of the front doors on the South side. 2024-06-04 18:03:44
And then the E stores next. 2024-06-04 18:03:47
The parking lot. Those are details. 2024-06-04 18:03:50
In their presentation. 2024-06-04 18:03:53
The other modifications are. 2024-06-04 18:03:56
Flight, landscaping, Removing trees. 2024-06-04 18:03:59
On the east side of the building. 2024-06-04 18:04:02
Since and then replacing those with some columnar. 2024-06-04 18:04:05
Evergreen. Three other. 2024-06-04 18:04:08
Homicide as shown as being. 2024-06-04 18:04:11
They would be replaced. 2024-06-04 18:04:14
The applicant would need to submit. 2024-06-04 18:04:17
Plan showing the replacement location for those 3 trees. 2024-06-04 18:04:20
Let's see. 2024-06-04 18:04:23
Their applicants also proposed. 2024-06-04 18:04:26
Closing to demolish a. 2024-06-04 18:04:29
Detached garage and a car. 2024-06-04 18:04:32
On the sides, they're both within the parking lot. 2024-06-04 18:04:35
And demolishing those they would build a larger. 2024-06-04 18:04:38
Garage on the north side of the. 2024-06-04 18:04:41
Other modifications on the structure. 2024-06-04 18:04:44
Painting all the window trims, trim and. 2024-06-04 18:04:47
Black as. 2024-06-04 18:04:50
The applicant can detail that. Also we're going to include the. 2024-06-04 18:04:53
But they didn't see that in their application. 2024-06-04 18:04:56
Let's see, I think. 2024-06-04 18:04:59
That is all of the points on there. There is a. 2024-06-04 18:05:02
They were proposing on the east side as well. 2024-06-04 18:05:05
The staff recommendation is. 2024-06-04 18:05:08
It's just adding some more ornate detailing so it kind of types it. 2024-06-04 18:05:11
And with the historical architecture. 2024-06-04 18:05:14
And possibly monster. 2024-06-04 18:05:17
Find the door so that they have more vis. 2024-06-04 18:05:20
Instead of a more typical goal. 2024-06-04 18:05:23
Glass retail door style. 2024-06-04 18:05:26
And I'll have the. 2024-06-04 18:05:29
Come up, they can go through kind of their. 2024-06-04 18:05:32
Presentation. I have that pulled up and. 2024-06-04 18:05:35
Answer any questions that the Commission has. 2024-06-04 18:05:38
Thank you very much and. 2024-06-04 18:05:41
The applicant or representative I have Katie. 2024-06-04 18:05:44
On here I'm just gonna make. 2024-06-04 18:05:47
Adventure to get that you are not Katie. 2024-06-04 18:05:50
OK. And what is your name? Ben Wink. 2024-06-04 18:05:53
Then what? Then wheat. Wheat. 2024-06-04 18:05:56
The bread. 2024-06-04 18:05:59
All right then. 2024-06-04 18:06:02
Just a little back story on this. 2024-06-04 18:06:11
We just recently purchased this. 2024-06-04 18:06:15
Building. We're going to. 2024-06-04 18:06:17
Use it for our headquarters, the company that I work for. 2024-06-04 18:06:20
For his Roderick Enterprises were a local. 2024-06-04 18:06:23
Land developer and property owner. 2024-06-04 18:06:26
Business since 1956, we've been. 2024-06-04 18:06:30
Established in Murray for the past 17 years. 2024-06-04 18:06:33
On a building on Vine Street and. 2024-06-04 18:06:36
We've just grown out of that building and then. 2024-06-04 18:06:39
And saw that curve. 2024-06-04 18:06:42
Was selling this and had a lot of attraction. 2024-06-04 18:06:44
Our company hasn't old Tyler. 2024-06-04 18:06:48
Our founding partner just grew up right. 2024-06-04 18:06:51
Right across the street from this they used to be. 2024-06-04 18:06:53
Gas service. They own the Chevron gas station. 2024-06-04 18:06:57
Off the 45th South in 20-30 East and so. 2024-06-04 18:07:00
We were excited for the opportunity. 2024-06-04 18:07:03
So we'll be making the 1st floor kind of. 2024-06-04 18:07:06
Our headquarters for our main operations. 2024-06-04 18:07:09
So as part of this. 2024-06-04 18:07:12
Application that we thinking. 2024-06-04 18:07:15
Great shape, Kirsten, a great job in maintaining it there. 2024-06-04 18:07:18
Just some things that we part of. 2024-06-04 18:07:21
Kind of freshening up is really the. 2024-06-04 18:07:24
Find the majority of this application. 2024-06-04 18:07:27
It. 2024-06-04 18:07:30
Kind of like Gary pointed out. 2024-06-04 18:07:33
Kind of Several themes on page 2. 2024-06-04 18:07:36
He kind of go go. 2024-06-04 18:07:39
Over what the suggested conditions of approval were. 2024-06-04 18:07:42
From staff the 1st. 2024-06-04 18:07:45
Thing that we're we're proposing is painting the window. 2024-06-04 18:07:48
The translation railing to be black. 2024-06-04 18:07:51
In the slide show. 2024-06-04 18:07:54
Presentation to carry. Yeah. So we we try. 2024-06-04 18:07:57
What we try to do here was just give step. 2024-06-04 18:08:00
What just a real. 2024-06-04 18:08:03
Realistic version of what we're proposing so. 2024-06-04 18:08:06
We just got. 2024-06-04 18:08:09
Try to do their best job. So really we're just, we're not. 2024-06-04 18:08:12
Changing any of the umm. 2024-06-04 18:08:15
We're not changing any of the structure on. 2024-06-04 18:08:18
The old Britain man. 2024-06-04 18:08:21
We're just simply painting the wood. 2024-06-04 18:08:24
Windows software and fascia and then. 2024-06-04 18:08:27
Like discussed earlier, replacing. 2024-06-04 18:08:30
The entrance doors. 2024-06-04 18:08:33
That are not part of the original structure with. 2024-06-04 18:08:36
It's a store front door, so it's. 2024-06-04 18:08:39
It's metal blackmail. 2024-06-04 18:08:42
Millions with pepper glass and so. 2024-06-04 18:08:45
This will be a 40 by 7 OH door with two. 2024-06-04 18:08:48
Sidelights on either side just to fulfill that. 2024-06-04 18:08:51
Current 6 foot opening. 2024-06-04 18:08:54
Part of that is. 2024-06-04 18:08:57
That when we started talking. 2024-06-04 18:09:00
To the attorney that's been there for a long time and just some. 2024-06-04 18:09:03
Addressing some of her concerns and we. 2024-06-04 18:09:06
Have some some of the same concerns on the east entrance? 2024-06-04 18:09:09
In terms of replacing that door. 2024-06-04 18:09:12
It's an old door. It's drafty. It's not. 2024-06-04 18:09:15
Period specific to the. 2024-06-04 18:09:18
Mansion aspect of it so. 2024-06-04 18:09:21
Part of the process was to try to renovate her space. 2024-06-04 18:09:24
A little bit and and address them. 2024-06-04 18:09:27
Concerns that she's had as a tenant for a long time from the. 2024-06-04 18:09:30
Previous ownership. 2024-06-04 18:09:33
So that's kind of the first bullet point in. 2024-06-04 18:09:36
Terms of what we're asking to do. 2024-06-04 18:09:39
The second is the. 2024-06-04 18:09:42
Talked a little bit about it, just putting. 2024-06-04 18:09:45
On the front and back. 2024-06-04 18:09:48
Excuse me, thank. 2024-06-04 18:09:51
Incorporated this in part of the application in talking with. 2024-06-04 18:09:54
I mean this part of the structure. 2024-06-04 18:09:57
Sure, That's not part of the mansion, is not really part of the. 2024-06-04 18:10:00
Historical structure, but just to be. 2024-06-04 18:10:03
Completely transparent on what we're doing with the entire project. 2024-06-04 18:10:06
Decided to add this to the to the overall. 2024-06-04 18:10:10
Application. Same thing here we would just be painting. 2024-06-04 18:10:12
Windows sophistication. 2024-06-04 18:10:16
Kind of that darker black color, the. 2024-06-04 18:10:18
Exhibit the carriage fit the Curia had up earlier. 2024-06-04 18:10:22
We're not actually putting a canopy on. 2024-06-04 18:10:25
And kind of that 3D rendering right there that. 2024-06-04 18:10:28
You can see on your screen it's just a black frame that. 2024-06-04 18:10:30
Frame that entrance out, so there's. 2024-06-04 18:10:34
Not actually. 2024-06-04 18:10:37
Both in Canada, you can kind of see there's a little bit of a code that's covered. 2024-06-04 18:10:40
And that's kind of the transition between the mansion and. 2024-06-04 18:10:43
The newer structure that was built in 79. 2024-06-04 18:10:46
So this was my. This was probably my fault. 2024-06-04 18:10:49
We were trying to render kind of. 2024-06-04 18:10:52
Before and after to try to give staff an understanding of what it would. 2024-06-04 18:10:55
Look like, but we're not doing the that's. 2024-06-04 18:10:58
Where you've got the yeah, that's. 2024-06-04 18:11:01
Not depicted in the in the. 2024-06-04 18:11:04
The 3D rendering that we have and this is part of what we've. 2024-06-04 18:11:07
Got established with our building permit the. 2024-06-04 18:11:10
Currently being reviewed about the building department. On that the key. 2024-06-04 18:11:13
The eye aspect of so the frame is going to come. 2024-06-04 18:11:16
It's partially going to cover. 2024-06-04 18:11:19
Whatever you want to call that hexagon. 2024-06-04 18:11:22
On slanted facing out wall. 2024-06-04 18:11:25
Yeah. And and kind of the idea is. 2024-06-04 18:11:28
And then different thing on the salad. 2024-06-04 18:11:34
There won't be any physical. 2024-06-04 18:11:40
Shooting out into the. 2024-06-04 18:11:43
Picture of this. 2024-06-04 18:11:49
The eyebrows. 2024-06-04 18:11:52
Cropping. It's just going to be a metal frame. 2024-06-04 18:11:55
And then a few. 2024-06-04 18:11:58
You know what? Going back. 2024-06-04 18:12:07
Again, this is this part I think we have. 2024-06-04 18:12:13
Siri, play me some mommy's New Jersey. 2024-06-04 18:12:16
Change your mind. But this wasn't. 2024-06-04 18:12:19
We some of those conversations. 2024-06-04 18:12:22
It's is this part of the historical structure? 2024-06-04 18:12:25
It's not because it was added in 79, but. 2024-06-04 18:12:28
Yeah. 2024-06-04 18:12:31
So no canopies, it's just that metal. 2024-06-04 18:12:34
Metal frame around the opening and then again the store that would be. 2024-06-04 18:12:37
Place the existing kind of yellow door. 2024-06-04 18:12:40
And and the glass on the front of the front of the. 2024-06-04 18:12:46
Frosted with this? No, it'll be clear. 2024-06-04 18:12:49
Yeah, that's it. It won't be profit. It'll be clear. 2024-06-04 18:12:52
Just like this. This one's clear, but the front one on the front is. 2024-06-04 18:12:55
Not going to be clear as well. Oh yeah, OK, yeah. 2024-06-04 18:12:58
Looking at what's in there, now contrast that. I mean, I'm just. 2024-06-04 18:13:01
Curious if you look. 2024-06-04 18:13:04
Sorry to the other graphic that. 2024-06-04 18:13:07
Brought in. 2024-06-04 18:13:10
I mean significant. 2024-06-04 18:13:13
Different. I mean, aside from the double doors. 2024-06-04 18:13:16
Right, so the double doors get replaced. 2024-06-04 18:13:19
By eight. Oh, so it's four feet wide by 8 feet tall. 2024-06-04 18:13:22
And then that's the two and I just have two large sidelines. 2024-06-04 18:13:25
That that whole entrance. 2024-06-04 18:13:28
The two yellow doors and then all the windows around it. 2024-06-04 18:13:31
That whole portion of it will be report. 2024-06-04 18:13:34
Play with the black storefront. 2024-06-04 18:13:37
OK. Thank you. 2024-06-04 18:13:43
I'm wrapping my mind around it, sorry. I'll circle back. 2024-06-04 18:13:55
Of that thought later. 2024-06-04 18:13:58
So that's number two. 2024-06-04 18:14:01
#3 was the awning again, we're not doing an awning so. 2024-06-04 18:14:05
That I mean, we don't. I guess we can. 2024-06-04 18:14:07
Table there. We don't need that. You're doing a cross. 2024-06-04 18:14:11
Essentially right? Correct. Yep. 2024-06-04 18:14:13
Crossbar will not sit out past the. 2024-06-04 18:14:17
Nope, building it's going to stay inside that. 2024-06-04 18:14:20
**** eyed wall and the other wall. Yeah, exactly like that. 2024-06-04 18:14:23
Yep, Yep. 2024-06-04 18:14:26
#4 would just be a fence replacement in court. 2024-06-04 18:14:29
Holiday fence regulations, obviously. 2024-06-04 18:14:32
Portions of that fence or just have been neglected. 2024-06-04 18:14:35
Collected in terms of maintenance and the. 2024-06-04 18:14:38
That happens happening on the West side. 2024-06-04 18:14:41
We haven't proposed anything in terms of. 2024-06-04 18:14:44
Material that in terms of looking at. 2024-06-04 18:14:47
The code that's monitored all by code. 2024-06-04 18:14:50
Probably something like this in terms of the metal metal rod fence. 2024-06-04 18:14:53
Thing is probably what we would do up here on the front of the. 2024-06-04 18:14:56
The rest of this in the back is like a. 2024-06-04 18:14:59
6 foot chain link fence and then some of this was. 2024-06-04 18:15:02
That wood fence there on the West side? 2024-06-04 18:15:05
I mean part of this is. 2024-06-04 18:15:08
Because this is the historical site so. 2024-06-04 18:15:11
All of these we just wanted to stay within. 2024-06-04 18:15:14
Policy and above board that we're bringing all this. 2024-06-04 18:15:17
These items. 2024-06-04 18:15:20
To staff and appointing Commission but. 2024-06-04 18:15:23
We just wanted to make sure that. 2024-06-04 18:15:26
Kind of. Everyone knew what we were doing. 2024-06-04 18:15:29
So we don't you don't know currently what that. 2024-06-04 18:15:32
Is going to be or you haven't committed anything. 2024-06-04 18:15:35
So we don't know material, but again, there's code that's put in place that. 2024-06-04 18:15:38
We would have to follow in regards to the replacement. 2024-06-04 18:15:41
With it being historic site. 2024-06-04 18:15:44
There's a little bit of nuance. 2024-06-04 18:15:47
To that right, Yeah, I mean. 2024-06-04 18:15:50
My question is, you know, again, we don't. 2024-06-04 18:15:53
And that and with a lot of. 2024-06-04 18:15:56
No real plan or something change from the agenda. 2024-06-04 18:15:59
And everything. I'm really concerned, this whole thing. 2024-06-04 18:16:02
Premature to be in front of us because. 2024-06-04 18:16:05
Everything's changing. 2024-06-04 18:16:08
We spent the time to look at a packet Sunday and now it's. 2024-06-04 18:16:11
All different and that would. 2024-06-04 18:16:14
The fencing emperor in particular, I guess my. 2024-06-04 18:16:17
Question is, there's a lot of things that are allowed under the code. 2024-06-04 18:16:20
That may not make sense on a historic site. 2024-06-04 18:16:23
Unlike we're being asked to give blanket permission as long as you. 2024-06-04 18:16:26
As you call the code, it's OK, but the. 2024-06-04 18:16:29
To make sure it maintains the historic character. 2024-06-04 18:16:32
And that and so without knowing what you're going to. 2024-06-04 18:16:35
Build the fence I don't know how I could ever vote on. 2024-06-04 18:16:38
On it and they I think there's a whole bunch of. 2024-06-04 18:16:41
Proposal evolving. 2024-06-04 18:16:44
And we don't have the details and that. 2024-06-04 18:16:47
Probably not going to vote on it tonight anyway because of the notice. 2024-06-04 18:16:50
Problem and that which might be a saving grade. 2024-06-04 18:16:53
Next time we should have all these details. 2024-06-04 18:16:56
In the packet and the plan and that too. 2024-06-04 18:16:59
I can't vote on the fence, for example, until I know. 2024-06-04 18:17:02
Was saying that it's. 2024-06-04 18:17:05
Compliant with the code isn't sufficient to say whether. 2024-06-04 18:17:08
Meets historical look of the. 2024-06-04 18:17:11
Historical building and a lot that we're trying to keep. 2024-06-04 18:17:14
It's a beautiful building, I. 2024-06-04 18:17:17
Great, but I you could put up another six. 2024-06-04 18:17:21
But wouldn't count them. 2024-06-04 18:17:23
That would meet the code, but it may not work. 2024-06-04 18:17:27
Train links then for that matter, right, and I would. 2024-06-04 18:17:30
I would say that if there's any guide guidance. 2024-06-04 18:17:33
That you'd like to provide the applicant on maybe what you'd like to see those? 2024-06-04 18:17:36
Not just taking a shot in the dark. It's OK. 2024-06-04 18:17:39
Here is. 2024-06-04 18:17:42
There's like a darker colored. 2024-06-04 18:17:45
Colored wood or. 2024-06-04 18:17:48
There's any material specifics that? 2024-06-04 18:17:51
Be kind of. 2024-06-04 18:17:54
We'd like to be real. 2024-06-04 18:17:57
Yeah, it's a great testament, Great point, Paul, I think. 2024-06-04 18:18:00
What we'll do is we'll Well, Mr. we. 2024-06-04 18:18:03
You know, kind of walking us through everything on here. I. 2024-06-04 18:18:06
And we'll kind of ask you some questions as we go along, but then. 2024-06-04 18:18:09
Maybe we can make some recommendations on what we'd like. 2024-06-04 18:18:12
To see with the motion that will probably be to continue. 2024-06-04 18:18:15
For a future meeting. 2024-06-04 18:18:18
Would recommend opening the public hearing OK just. 2024-06-04 18:18:21
And then continuing it OK for the neck. 2024-06-04 18:18:25
Time, OK. 2024-06-04 18:18:27
Historical committee getting notified if anyone. 2024-06-04 18:18:30
Showing up tonight, I would have thought the historical committee would have been here. 2024-06-04 18:18:33
Here after our last meeting and that night. 2024-06-04 18:18:36
I'm guessing they don't live within 5 feet. 2024-06-04 18:18:39
So they weren't noticed. Well, I mean the agenda. 2024-06-04 18:18:42
Published properly, right? Right. So. 2024-06-04 18:18:45
They're paying attention to the agenda they would have. 2024-06-04 18:18:48
Notice that way you fight the rest of public. 2024-06-04 18:18:51
But I don't think there's any special consideration or notice. 2024-06-04 18:18:54
Given to the Historical Commission. 2024-06-04 18:18:57
Not a legislative body. 2024-06-04 18:19:00
I think the historic Commission's job is to. 2024-06-04 18:19:03
Take placement as a historic building. 2024-06-04 18:19:06
And I know that part of this discussion with the Council is. 2024-06-04 18:19:09
What role should they play? And so that's kind of evolving. 2024-06-04 18:19:12
My understanding is the Historical Commission would like to play a much. 2024-06-04 18:19:15
Bigger role? Sure. And. 2024-06-04 18:19:18
Intention between the Council on that. 2024-06-04 18:19:21
Personally I I would rather have someone in historical training talk. 2024-06-04 18:19:24
Historical They would know a whole lot more than I would, so. 2024-06-04 18:19:30
So I mean there's not a requirement for the application. 2024-06-04 18:19:33
And to discuss. 2024-06-04 18:19:36
What the Historical Commission, but it could be advisable. 2024-06-04 18:19:39
Umm, if they wanted to take some ideas to. 2024-06-04 18:19:42
And then we sent those, so then they come back. 2024-06-04 18:19:45
We've discussed this with the historical. 2024-06-04 18:19:48
Committee. These were their suggestions. It's. 2024-06-04 18:19:51
They help things. 2024-06-04 18:19:54
With some guidance for the Planning Commission, you're. 2024-06-04 18:19:57
Possibly feeling like you don't have all of the. 2024-06-04 18:20:00
Historical background to make some of the history. 2024-06-04 18:20:03
Historical design calls that the historical. 2024-06-04 18:20:06
Committee might or if the applicant has. 2024-06-04 18:20:09
You know some. 2024-06-04 18:20:12
On here is this. This is why it is. 2024-06-04 18:20:15
Historical and kind of tying that in. 2024-06-04 18:20:18
So there's there's some options there that. 2024-06-04 18:20:21
Continuing, it can come back with some some more detail. 2024-06-04 18:20:24
Tells that. 2024-06-04 18:20:27
Some of those Gray areas for their Commission. 2024-06-04 18:20:30
Requirement, but a strong suggestion. 2024-06-04 18:20:33
To solicit their feedback. 2024-06-04 18:20:36
N. 2024-06-04 18:20:39
That makes sense. So then we just talked right over. 2024-06-04 18:20:42
Be there for a couple minutes. You want to walk it through the rest of us now. 2024-06-04 18:20:45
Yeah, again, I don't necessarily. 2024-06-04 18:20:48
No, I mean again, going back to starting. 2024-06-04 18:20:51
Painting of window trimming space and the railing is black. 2024-06-04 18:20:54
That hasn't changed in what we. 2024-06-04 18:20:57
For you, rehabilitation of the existing. 2024-06-04 18:21:01
Wood door the render. 2024-06-04 18:21:03
Way to try to give the Planning Commission some. 2024-06-04 18:21:06
Sort of idea of what we were looking for versus just. 2024-06-04 18:21:09
Asking what or blanket asking what we were doing. 2024-06-04 18:21:13
We can just delete that. 2024-06-04 18:21:16
Just because it's inaccurate from that standpoint for. 2024-06-04 18:21:19
The next meeting #3 would be. 2024-06-04 18:21:22
Deleted because we're not asking for an awning. 2024-06-04 18:21:24
Fence replacement. 2024-06-04 18:21:27
Yeah, I mean, I, I guess I kind of agree with Gary and. 2024-06-04 18:21:31
Terms of some direction of. 2024-06-04 18:21:33
We don't. It's in the. 2024-06-04 18:21:37
Bad shape as it is. 2024-06-04 18:21:40
Whatever we would probably propose. 2024-06-04 18:21:43
Would be better than that, but. 2024-06-04 18:21:46
As long as it's not barbed wire, right? 2024-06-04 18:21:49
Yeah. Are you tearing out this brick? Brick. 2024-06-04 18:21:52
In front or is that that's going to stay OK? 2024-06-04 18:21:55
All right. Just double checking. Thank you. 2024-06-04 18:21:58
Yeah. 2024-06-04 18:22:01
So I mean. 2024-06-04 18:22:01
Brick wall. Yeah, the fencing. The fencing is. 2024-06-04 18:22:04
The fencing around the property is is. 2024-06-04 18:22:07
Along the website is probably the worst. 2024-06-04 18:22:10
What I've provided is the. 2024-06-04 18:22:13
Examples here on the north and east side. 2024-06-04 18:22:16
Team link fencing with. 2024-06-04 18:22:19
Privacy as you can. 2024-06-04 18:22:22
Kind of see there I mean. 2024-06-04 18:22:25
If the requirement from. 2024-06-04 18:22:28
The staffer historical committee is. 2024-06-04 18:22:31
To continue a brick wall, we could probably just. 2024-06-04 18:22:34
Leave it just because of a cost standpoint, right? 2024-06-04 18:22:37
You know, we were probably going to do on that West side. 2024-06-04 18:22:40
Sort of wrought iron fencing along as long as. 2024-06-04 18:22:43
The city code we're not going to do. 2024-06-04 18:22:46
Or something that would look completely out of place. 2024-06-04 18:22:49
With the historical building. 2024-06-04 18:22:52
Aspect of it. 2024-06-04 18:22:55
#5 is. 2024-06-04 18:22:58
Land feeding plan showing replacement trees in the court. 2024-06-04 18:23:01
Holiday code. 2024-06-04 18:23:04
I yeah. So I don't have it. I don't I can. 2024-06-04 18:23:07
I can get my landscape engineer to do an actual landscape. 2024-06-04 18:23:10
Plan these three. 2024-06-04 18:23:13
That we're going to replace one for one with. 2024-06-04 18:23:16
Caller Aspen. 2024-06-04 18:23:19
These or a polymer? 2024-06-04 18:23:22
Evergreen trees, these are. 2024-06-04 18:23:28
Way too close to the building and. 2024-06-04 18:23:31
Provide a lot of issues from an insurance. 2024-06-04 18:23:34
Standpoint from fire safety. 2024-06-04 18:23:37
And growing and getting leaves in the gutters and the. 2024-06-04 18:23:40
Those types of things, so. 2024-06-04 18:23:43
And yeah, so then you can kind of see. 2024-06-04 18:23:46
That's those are the ones that right up in. 2024-06-04 18:23:49
These are the ones that were depicted in that picture that we would. 2024-06-04 18:23:52
Place and one for one and then the. 2024-06-04 18:23:55
Three other trees were the two trees out front. 2024-06-04 18:23:58
Part of the yeah, right there, part of that. 2024-06-04 18:24:01
It's a huge block to the front end of the building in terms of from. 2024-06-04 18:24:04
Leasability standpoint, we'll still have tenants in the. 2024-06-04 18:24:07
In the in and of the upstairs and part of. 2024-06-04 18:24:10
Providing visibility. 2024-06-04 18:24:13
To that site as we try to attract tenants to occupy the. 2024-06-04 18:24:16
Vacant space in there, we just. 2024-06-04 18:24:19
That's a huge deterrent, so we would want to take. 2024-06-04 18:24:22
Those trees down and relocate them on site. 2024-06-04 18:24:25
And again if if. 2024-06-04 18:24:28
If staff thinks that. 2024-06-04 18:24:31
Landscape Plan. 2024-06-04 18:24:34
I'm happy to provide it. 2024-06-04 18:24:37
Umm. 2024-06-04 18:24:41
Six and seven kind of go hand in hand. 2024-06-04 18:24:43
So, Carrie, scroll up. Sorry, just right. 2024-06-04 18:24:47
Yeah, right there. 2024-06-04 18:24:49
So we we personally think. 2024-06-04 18:24:52
That the placement of the existing garage takes away from. 2024-06-04 18:24:56
Historical aspect of the site. 2024-06-04 18:24:58
You can see this from. 2024-06-04 18:25:02
Three level of Murray Holiday Blvd. It has. 2024-06-04 18:25:05
Absolutely no correlation. 2024-06-04 18:25:07
Tie in of the existing structure. 2024-06-04 18:25:11
Nothing historically color wise. 2024-06-04 18:25:14
The brick material or anything wise? 2024-06-04 18:25:17
Into the historical structure of the site. 2024-06-04 18:25:20
Our proposal would be to tear that down. 2024-06-04 18:25:23
That would that would add an additional 5 parking stalls. 2024-06-04 18:25:26
There and then to tear down the. 2024-06-04 18:25:29
Carport in the back and then relocate that garage. 2024-06-04 18:25:31
In the rear of the building, which could not be. 2024-06-04 18:25:35
You can kind of see the carport, so that's where the new garage was. 2024-06-04 18:25:38
So this would be hidden from street sites. 2024-06-04 18:25:41
The elevations that I provide. 2024-06-04 18:25:44
That carried today from our architect. 2024-06-04 18:25:47
Be just a full brick building to match. 2024-06-04 18:25:50
Brick of the probably the the atom. 2024-06-04 18:25:53
Structure that was built on 19. 2024-06-04 18:25:56
1979. 2024-06-04 18:25:59
Comment on that in terms of additional things that. 2024-06-04 18:26:05
That Planning Commission would about would like to see on some. 2024-06-04 18:26:08
Like that again? 2024-06-04 18:26:11
That we'd still have to go through the building department to make sure that that's. 2024-06-04 18:26:14
Complies with all city. 2024-06-04 18:26:17
Standards and everything else, one way you're sitting in the back. 2024-06-04 18:26:20
Corner, sorry to cut you off, but you're good with us. 2024-06-04 18:26:23
Second, I mean it looks like you you're proposing something that. 2024-06-04 18:26:26
Two-story building. 2024-06-04 18:26:29
Set back basically. 2024-06-04 18:26:32
Up against the fence. 2024-06-04 18:26:35
So I don't know is this. 2024-06-04 18:26:38
In a zone that allows for. 2024-06-04 18:26:41
No setbacks and. 2024-06-04 18:26:44
The roof to be at that high. 2024-06-04 18:26:47
Yeah. So as long as we're not in a. 2024-06-04 18:26:50
Approaching a residential zone, so we've got the back parking lot. 2024-06-04 18:26:53
A lot of the commercial project for the West and then to the. 2024-06-04 18:26:56
North of the canal. 2024-06-04 18:26:59
So it's the canal. What in the canal said in the same. 2024-06-04 18:27:02
Commercial zone. 2024-06-04 18:27:05
I don't know. 2024-06-04 18:27:08
Hold on, that would be the only concern there is suddenly. 2024-06-04 18:27:11
Neighbor across the canal is now looking at a giant wall where. 2024-06-04 18:27:14
You know, trees and a fence was. 2024-06-04 18:27:17
The location of the building. 2024-06-04 18:27:20
Not something that is really negotiable, controlled by. 2024-06-04 18:27:23
So it will meet the standards of the zone. 2024-06-04 18:27:26
Whatever, Bill. Step back, Sir. 2024-06-04 18:27:29
And then #8 this is no addition of life. 2024-06-04 18:27:35
Within the parking lot and we were proposing. 2024-06-04 18:27:38
Alrighty. 2024-06-04 18:27:44
Was there Commission any other? 2024-06-04 18:27:50
Questions for the applicant at this time just going. 2024-06-04 18:27:53
To the door, particularly on the front side. 2024-06-04 18:27:56
Where that historical? 2024-06-04 18:27:59
It was brought to her attention that. 2024-06-04 18:28:05
Kind of the word as like it. 2024-06-04 18:28:08
At least, umm. 2024-06-04 18:28:11
Mention of some heaviness there that. 2024-06-04 18:28:14
Keep it a little closer to this. 2024-06-04 18:28:17
Period of the house and looking. 2024-06-04 18:28:20
I know you stated like 711. 2024-06-04 18:28:23
That wasn't a real accurate depiction on what you. 2024-06-04 18:28:26
They're working through but just wondering if. 2024-06-04 18:28:29
Couldn't get, you know it. 2024-06-04 18:28:32
But a little bit. 2024-06-04 18:28:35
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