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Ready. 00:00:03
OK. 00:00:04
Welcome everybody. 00:00:07
I am going to call to order the Holiday City Council meeting on Thursday, November 7th. 00:00:11
And if you could all rise, we'll start with a pledge. 00:00:17
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the. 00:00:24
And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:30
Thank you. Before we go to public comment, let me just say that we do have one public hearing tonight on the rezone at 5428 S and 00:00:42
Highland Drive. So if you're here to address the council on that rezone. 00:00:48
Application Please wait till we open up that public hearing. I also noticed that we have some in attendance from our esteemed 00:00:55
historical Commission here. That item is on in in the work session. So that will we won't be taking any public comment during the 00:01:02
work session. So if if you are here, if you'd like to make comment regarding the historic, the historical ordinance that we're 00:01:09
considering public comment would be the time to do that. 00:01:16
All right, OK. So with that we will open up public comment. We ask that you try to keep your well need your name and address and 00:01:24
if you keep your your comments to three minutes or less, it's very much appreciated. So other than the public hearing, public 00:01:31
comment is now open so. 00:01:37
Yeah, come on up. Give us your name and address, please. 00:01:46
Good evening. My name is Bob Atwell. I reside at 4897 Rebecca Circle. 00:01:51
Start with a couple of basic facts that I've uncovered and discovered through some research. My understanding is that about 2020 00:01:58
City Council approved a storm drain fee. 00:02:04
In a property tax increase to pay for an $18 million bond for public service works. 00:02:12
Of which 10 million was designated for storm drain improvements. 00:02:20
Recently there was a storm drain improvement that began around Kings Row and flowed up all the way to I think you pronounced it 00:02:26
Green is the name of the street, which was about a $1.5 million project. 00:02:33
Next online is an understanding. I think it's the nickname of the project is the Jungle. 00:02:42
And this is a project again for storm drain rehabilitation. If you cross kings row in 1300 E where dead ends, you will see Salt 00:02:48
Lake City property and they call that the jungle. There have been a number of reports that I've reviewed provided by engineers 00:02:58
that the city hired and also members of the city's engineering team. And the reports are reasonably detailed, but I would. 00:03:08
To you that this project is a replacement of stormwater pipeline and necessary to enhance the resilience and reliability of storm 00:03:18
water management system to protect public safety during heavy rainfall events. That to me is one of the reasons why you would 00:03:24
have. 00:03:30
Agreed to an $18 million bond. You know that there's a problem and this was written in 2020. My wife and I have incurred 2. 00:03:37
Flood incursions, infiltrations in our home subsequent to this area. 00:03:48
Part of our reimbursement has been through our insurance companies. They've been very active in providing us with reimbursement. 00:03:54
Another problem is though that because there have been 2. 00:04:00
Of these infiltrations, my insurance companies have canceled my insurance. 00:04:07
So I'm now out looking for insurance. I will find that I have spent 50 years in the business. 00:04:13
With General Rhee as an underwriter and Marcy McLennan is a managing director, so I'm sure I will get that covered. But it's a 00:04:20
nuisance to have to do that on the basis that there is a known liability risk that the city is certainly right now managing and 00:04:27
handling through projects. One of the issues that I have that I will share with you tonight is that to protect my home, I have 00:04:35
gone forward and hired a group called. 00:04:42
Davenport Foundation. They have come to prepare a rather extensive internal project which cost me out of pocket. 00:04:50
All in around $50,000. 00:05:00
What I am seeking tonight is just to let you know that next week I will be filing a claim against the city to have reimbursements 00:05:03
for those dollars that I've had to put out of pocket. 00:05:10
In a case where the city knew that there was a problem. 00:05:19
Your supervisors had been to our house they wanted to map. They shared with my contractor in Davenport. They knew there was a 00:05:23
problem and they were unable yet to fix it. The issue in the jungle is that no storm water can move forward out of my 00:05:29
neighborhood. I and about seven other residents all in a row have had storm water problems for the last two and a half, three 00:05:35
years. 00:05:41
So I will close my remark by again thanking you for the time to come and visit and share my thoughts. I know that you believe this 00:05:49
is a serious issue. You would not have bonded in $18 million infrastructure project, ten of which is designated to storm drains. 00:05:57
On the other hand, because you do know how serious the issue is as a resident and a taxpayer, I believe that the city should also 00:06:06
feel compelled to deal with some of the expenses where they could not mitigate these risks earlier, minimize the risk to your 00:06:14
taxpayers and your residents. So I will close with that and I thank you very much for your time this evening. Thank you. 00:06:21
That will be a hard act to follow. 00:06:41
Kim Duffy. 00:06:45
2195 E Walker Lane. 00:06:47
And I'm making these comments either as a citizen or as a chair of the historic Commission. You can. 00:06:50
Decide on a sentence by sentence basis. 00:06:57
How you'd like to understand it? So I've read the development review for the historic site designation. 00:07:01
I read it twice to see if I could find mention of the historical commissions role. 00:07:06
There is not a mention of the Historical Commission, so I reached out to a few historic commissioners. 00:07:11
From a consortium that I initiated a year ago. These include commissioners from. 00:07:18
Provo, Park City, Brighton, Draper, Cottonwood Heights, Sandy, Taylorsville, Murray, Mill Creek, Farmington and Holiday and we've 00:07:24
we've met and. 00:07:29
Exchanged emails and asked questions of one another. So I asked them about their preservation ordinances and their historic 00:07:38
commissioners roles. I didn't discuss our. 00:07:44
Draft of ordinances. 00:07:51
So you could say that comparing one city to another is pointless, but you could also say that one city could learn from another. 00:07:53
Successes and failures. 00:07:57
These commissioners comments are from cities which are roughly the size of holiday. 00:08:02
One city maintains an historic sites list as our ordinance is described, but their list is designated, prepared and maintained by 00:08:07
their Commission. 00:08:12
Owners may obtain an historic site certificate from the Historic Preservation Commission. 00:08:19
Any application for a building permit pertaining to an historic resource designated on the register shall be forwarded by the 00:08:24
Zoning Administrator, Zoning Administrator to the Historic Preservation Commission for determination prior to the issuance of the 00:08:30
requested permit. 00:08:35
Another city's ordinances state that their historic committee shall conduct or cause to be conducted a survey of the historic, 00:08:42
architectural, and archaeological resources that are normally evaluated by professionals. But if that discipline is not 00:08:49
represented on the committee, the committee shall seek expertise in that area before rendering its decision so that the committee 00:08:55
is making the decision. 00:09:02
The committee shall act in an advisory role to other officials and government departments regarding the identification and 00:09:09
protection of local historic resources. 00:09:14
The committee may designate historic properties in the city to the Historic Site Register. The committee will review and consider 00:09:19
properly submitted nominations to the City's Historic Site Register. 00:09:26
Owners of officially designated historic sites may obtain an Historic Site certificate from their historical committee. 00:09:33
Proposed exterior work on the register structures requiring a building permit is subject to the committee's prior review. 00:09:41
I attended a meeting of the Cottonwood Heights Historic Commission about a month ago. They voted on a letter their chair had 00:09:50
drafted to the city giving their opinion on the demolition of the old mill. 00:09:55
Outlining various scenarios and giving their advice on them. I asked the chair afterwards if they were allowed to write a letter 00:10:01
like this to their City Council and he said absolutely. 00:10:06
I don't feel like we're allowed to do that, but maybe that's a question for another day. 00:10:12
Another city goes further and these are lessons that we could learn from the year long exercise with the Brinton House. 00:10:18
A2 story intact. Adobe house. 00:10:25
Built 14 years after the Civil War ended, that was demolished and the land still sit sits empty. 00:10:28
The city I mentioned above said properties designated to the city's historic Landmark Register. 00:10:35
May receive special consideration in granting of zoning variances or conditional use permits in order to encourage their 00:10:42
preservation. 00:10:46
Their local building officials. Officials were will consider waiving certain code requirements that deal with historic buildings. 00:10:52
Owners of structures on the city's Historic Landmark Register may seek assistance from the committee in applying for grants or tax 00:10:59
credits for rehabbing their projects. Proposed modifications to any structure on the city's historic register requires prior 00:11:06
review of their historic committee and the prior approval of the city's planning. 00:11:14
Committee. So it sounds to me like they're working together. 00:11:21
This is what we aspire to when we found out that the most important historical resource in our city was destined for demolition. 00:11:26
Of course, we found out after the demolition was a fait accompli and we naively tried everything we could do to save it. We were 00:11:34
interviewed in the Tribune and on the local TV news. A petition circulated that got 600 plus signatures. 00:11:41
Pleading to save. 00:11:49
The building. 00:11:52
We look for someone to write a nomination for the National Register, confident that it would pass so that developers could apply 00:11:54
for tax credits. We engaged an architect who has done dozens of adaptive reuse projects to meet with the owners of the building. 00:12:02
Excuse me? 00:12:10
The architect drew rough plans for the land use. 00:12:15
Their project manager. 00:12:18
Thought were superior to their own plans, and he also drew plans to adapt the historic building into two condos. 00:12:21
But this plan would require some special consideration of zoning variants like the ones noted above. 00:12:28
One resident made some suggestions for zoning changes, which we gave to a council member. The owners of the property said they 00:12:34
liked the suggestions and were willing to work with the city to envision zoning variance to save the historic property. But we 00:12:39
never heard back from the council or from the city about the ideas. We didn't know how to get the two sides together, so this idea 00:12:45
went nowhere. 00:12:50
I understand private property rights, but this owner seemed genuinely interested in finding a way to save this building and making 00:12:57
his project pencil in, as he called it. 00:13:02
We're not developers, we're not attorneys. We don't know how to write ordinances. I barely know how to read them, which I've been 00:13:08
doing for the last few days. We need a communication with the city to find solutions. And we don't know what this looks like, but 00:13:13
I think. 00:13:17
You do. We were told in a meeting that an historic commissioner in another city somewhere in Utah walked up to a door and told the 00:13:22
homeowner that he had the authority to come in and look at their house. 00:13:29
Something we would of course, never do. 00:13:36
The city could have been sued and this person said, and therefore our Commission shouldn't have any authority or Holiday may be 00:13:38
sued. As I recall in this anarchy, the city was not sued. 00:13:44
So as a result of this knucklehead commissioner in some other city, not holiday, and for doubtless other reasons I don't 00:13:50
understand, we have none of the roles I've described. 00:13:55
From other cities. 00:14:00
I've lived in Holiday for 36 years since becoming active in the Historic Commission. I care more about this city than I ever have. 00:14:02
I watched the work of the mayor, the council and the staff, the work that they go to making a city and I appreciate their work 00:14:13
more than ever. I see the need for more and denser housing. I do. 00:14:20
But that doesn't always have to come at the expense of our irreplaceable historic resources like the Brinton House. We could work 00:14:27
together. I know we're not elected officials, but honestly, we meet with hundreds of residents who would like to see a blend of 00:14:33
old and new in holiday. With our eyes always on historic properties, we can bring ideas forward, work with the city to find 00:14:39
creative allowances so that developers projects can pencil in. 00:14:45
While maintaining a part of the charm of holiday. I believe a majority of our residents want that. Thank you. 00:14:52
Thanks, Kim. 00:15:01
This will be easier than all of that just I'm treating from the library. I first just want to thank this community that came out 00:15:11
on on Tuesday. Whether you are happy about the results or sad about the results, it was truly inspiring to see the number of 00:15:19
people that came to vote. The engagement in the community was amazing and they stood patiently and in sometimes a considerable 00:15:26
line and we're polite and wonderful. It was it was wonderful and a special shout out. 00:15:33
Those who came back the next day and gave blood because wow. 00:15:41
We'll be having another blood drive on the 16th of December. On Saturday we're having a tree talk in partnership with the tree 00:15:45
committee. That'll be at 10:30. And I'm not sure what they're talking about, something about trees. 00:15:50
And then we're going to be closed on the 11th for veteran's day, and then we'll have all of the usual story times, chess clubs, 00:15:58
all that stuff. 00:16:01
If you have a teen or tween that loves reptiles, we will have some reptiles on the 21st at Teen Time. 00:16:05
Right now we have a comfort drive, a holiday comfort drive box and soon to come we will have an Angel Tree. I'm just always 00:16:13
impressed with the generosity of the community, the amount of things that they're willing to to help their neighbors with. 00:16:19
And then in getting ready for the holidays, we will be closing early on Wednesday the 27th of November. We'll close at 6:00 00:16:26
instead of nine so that we can go home and cook, I guess. And then Thursday and Friday the 28th and 29th, we will be closed for 00:16:34
Thanksgiving. And then to get ready for the next set of holidays, we're going to have some Nutcracker things on December 11th. 00:16:41
We'll have some dancers there at 6:00 PM to do some Nutcracker Suite. And then if you want to participate in some Nutcracker. 00:16:49
And you're a very little person, or have a very little person. We're going to have a Nutcracker event on the 17th at 10:15 where 00:16:56
you can participate. 00:17:01
And that's what's going on at the library right now. Anybody have any questions, comments, anything for Trudy, anything for me? 00:17:06
Thank you. All right. Thanks, Trudy. Thanks. Appreciate it. 00:17:14
Ron Hilton, 2394 Murray Holiday Rd. 00:17:31
I'm here to support what Kim Duffy just said. I'm a volunteer on the historic Commission, not a, not a. 00:17:35
Appointed member, but I've been working with the Commission for for several years and I'm passionate about preservation. 00:17:43
At the last Commission meeting. 00:17:51
Ty gave us a copy, an advanced copy of the preservation ordinance, and invited us to submit comments on it. So I did submit a 00:17:54
comment. I. 00:17:59
But in looking at the. 00:18:07
The document this evening I don't see. 00:18:10
My comment reflected. I don't know if that means. I'm not sure what that means. Anyway, I wanted to make sure that the comment got 00:18:15
through. 00:18:18
And basically this is what it is. 00:18:22
It's kind of a minor point, but could be important. 00:18:25
Umm so it talks about non complying conditional uses. 00:18:29
And it says zone requirements. The application meets all the requirements of the base zone in which the property is located. 00:18:35
And then the wording that I would add, I put on my comments was to say, with exceptions, as may be allowed under section 1386, 00:18:44
sixty of this title. 00:18:51
And that that section. 00:18:58
Is the additional uses for historic sites and has all these lists of things that says. 00:19:02
The Planning Commission may approve any of the following uses for a historic site in addition to the permitted and conditional 00:19:08
uses allowed in the zone in which the site is located, So. 00:19:13
The one kind of conflicts with the other says here's all these extra things you can do, but then it says it must. 00:19:20
No. So Ron, you're saying those two points are not adequately connected? Yeah. So I'm just saying to clarify. 00:19:26
Clarify that. 00:19:35
Those exceptions allow you to go beyond the base zone. So anyway, I circled it in red here and I'll just leave a copy for you. 00:19:38
I'll have one other comment later during the public hearing because it's actually. 00:19:47
Related to this, but I'll save that for later. 00:19:50
There's not another public hearing about this, right? You mean the public hearing for the rezone? Yeah. OK. Got it. OK. 00:19:54
Anybody else for public comment? 00:20:07
OK, there B none. We'll close public comment and move to item number 4. This is a public hearing on a proposed rezone of 5428 S 00:20:13
Highland Drive from R11-21 residential single family to R210 residential two family. 00:20:20
Umm, do we have the applicant here and? 00:20:28
OK, her husband. Thanks for coming. 00:20:35
OK. 00:20:38
So this rezoned is in the packet. It's pretty straightforward based on what we saw from staff and Planning Commission minutes and 00:20:41
notes. So we will start with Kerry Marsh, who is going to review the staff report with council. And then we'll, if the applicant 00:20:47
would like to address the council will ask you up and then we'll move move to move towards opening up the public hearing. So 00:20:52
Carrie, let's start with you. 00:20:58
All right, we can start right in on this somewhat complicated map. 00:21:09
Essentially this is an existing property that is total size is just under an acre. 00:21:14
The applicant the history of the property is that it was originally 2 parcels. The owner of one property on Baywood bought the one 00:21:24
on Highland or vice versa and then combined them into a single parcel. So the existing owner purchased that full almost acre 00:21:33
parcel and wants to put them back into two parcels because the acreage is not high enough to have two half acre lots. 00:21:42
The proposal is to rezone the front half where that. 00:21:52
Dividing line between the two properties would be that. 00:21:56
That parcel is .443 acres, so it's just under a half acre. The access for that would be on Highland Drive and then the house 00:22:02
that's accessed from Baywood would be completely separate and only accessed on Baywood. So 2 separate access points because they 00:22:08
would have separate ownership between the two parcels. 00:22:15
The proposed zone R210 that was based off of the Highland Dr. master plan and you can see on the map. 00:22:23
Around there, there across the street is the, I think that's the Greek Orthodox Church. And then there's neighborhood Commercial 00:22:32
directly to the north, C1 to the South. And then on the same side of the street, R18 is just above the subject property. And then 00:22:40
you've got a lot of these kind of larger properties that are tied into Lakewood Drive. 00:22:48
And then further down on the corner is a room zone and. 00:22:57
The general plan identifies the area in the Lakewood Drive and Baywood area as low density residential and protected. So that's 00:23:03
why that is then retains 1/2 acre parcel and half acre zoning R121 and then in line with the Highland Dr. master plan is where the 00:23:12
R210 zone was proposed and then outline some of the goals in our general plan with moderate income housing. 00:23:22
Preservation of open space when you can attach to. 00:23:32
Structures or two dwelling units into one structure. So that's the basis of why that R210 zone was selected. 00:23:35
Any questions from the Council on? 00:23:46
This application. 00:23:50
I don't, I don't. Well, I'm going to have one question, but some of the concern we had coming from the neighborhood was initially 00:23:53
and I stated this, you know, in the work meeting was. 00:23:59
Traffic penetrating Lakewood onto Baywood and when that issue was clarified in terms of retaining the R121 zone on the single 00:24:05
family home that enters off of Baywood, that issue was resolved for me because it's not going to increase traffic inside of the 00:24:11
neighborhood and keep that zoning in place. 00:24:17
So the only the only increase in traffic potentially would be off of Highland Drive on the parcel that will be rezoned to R28. 00:24:23
We did have some comment from public comment from Joan Wolfe, who lives in that neighborhood. 00:24:33
About increasing the traffic, I'm not. 00:24:38
Overly concerned about that on Highland Drive. The only question I would have is. 00:24:41
I know this is driven by the HDMP. 00:24:49
Was there any discussion in Planning Commission about jumping zones and going from an R21 to an R28 rather than the R18 which are 00:24:54
the zones to the north on the two subdivisions are R18 zone? 00:25:01
And this has gone from and I get that we're splitting the lot. 00:25:08
But why wouldn't they go to R18? Why? Why go to R28? So R210, I'm sorry, R210 and it's just based off of the HDMP stating 5 units 00:25:14
per acre for that segment. 00:25:22
That ends up being 2 1/2 units for the OR let's see 2 1/2 units for the for half acre. So it's just under half acre. 00:25:33
Potential then of three units, that basis was with the. 00:25:46
Statement in the Highland rate master plan that. 00:25:53
Oh, I have it outlined in here that. 00:25:57
Sorry. So while you're looking at that for those that are here, the way I read the staff report and you can keep thumbing through 00:26:03
that, but if it does go to R210, sorry about that reference to R28, it would allow for. 00:26:10
Three maximum units regardless of whether they did single family detached or they decided to do 1 detached and a 10,000 foot dual, 00:26:19
the maximum is three that could fit on that .443 acres, yes, and that doesn't take into account any access that would have to be 00:26:29
taken out of that. So that could be pulled down to 2 units just depending on if they want to do single family or attached if they. 00:26:38
The attached it would still likely workout to three. 00:26:48
The Highland Dr. master plan statement is that infill opportunities are limited and then open spaces and energy resources are 00:26:53
diminishing. So allowing for an attached unit where you can have two units in a structure would enable the applicant either keep 00:26:59
the existing unit, put two dwelling units in it. 00:27:06
Builded separate detached unit with larger setbacks than you'd have for in like an R1 zone where you could now build an accessory 00:27:13
structure, possibly as an Adu. So kind of a balance between setbacks and being able to incentivize keeping the existing house on 00:27:21
there. When you have smaller set backs, you can kind of push things further away. 00:27:28
So looking at it on a larger planning rational. 00:27:36
Thank you. 00:27:40
Anything else for Carrie? Just to confirm that the West lot remains R121 and it's not non complying at that point, it remains 00:27:43
compliant, right? Yep. It would stay in the protected zone and have the full half acres. 00:27:52
And then access only from Baywood on that that property, right? 00:28:02
OK. Thanks, Carrie. And she'll be available if we have questions once we hear public comment as well. We'll get there. 00:28:07
Did you want to address the Council? Come on up. 00:28:13
My name is John Wooley, I currently live at 4010 S Cumberland Dr. Our prior residence was the 5428 S Highland Dr. First of all, 00:28:21
thank you to Carrie and the other staff and guiding us through the process and helping prepare the reports. And thank you so much 00:28:30
to all of you for your involvement in city government and for being here tonight. 00:28:39
We are applying for the rezone to the front half of the property at 5428 S Highland Drive. 00:28:48
To bring it in compliance into compliance with the Highland Dr. master plan. 00:28:55
As we talked about, the property has two complete separate single family residences, 1 towards Baywood Dr. 1 towards Highland 00:29:00
Drive. 00:29:04
As was mentioned roughly a decade ago, the prior owners purchased the east lot and then combined it into a single lot. 00:29:10
We don't know why, but the main thing that we would like to do is just undo that consolidation, bring it back to the original, the 00:29:20
original 2 lots with the purpose that we can sell the house on Baywood Dr. since we no longer live there, but keep the house on 00:29:29
Highland Drive. The house on Highland Drive is a beautiful, well preserved 1920 Arts and Crafts style. 00:29:39
Home, into which we have put significant resources into restoring it. 00:29:49
And so that's the main reason we want to split the lot so that we can keep that house since we've put quite a bit of effort into 00:29:53
restoring it. I. 00:29:58
Just to be very clear, we are not proposing any new development or changes to the use of this property. 00:30:05
That's it. I'd be happy to answer any questions from the Council or any others. 00:30:13
Any questions? 00:30:20
OK, let me go ahead. 00:30:23
So. 00:30:25
But what's with the R210 then if there's not any redevelopment plan versus just being an R110 because R110 would work or because 00:30:27
it's there's only a single residence on it? 00:30:32
We were just advised to do that zoning in order to be in compliance with the master plan. 00:30:38
OK. 00:30:44
Thank you. Thank you. We might call you back up if there's any questions. 00:30:47
OK, as I mentioned prior, we do have an e-mail. 00:30:52
From Joan Wolfe, who lives on Baywood. I'm not sure. I don't know if I got her exact address, but I know her and I know where she 00:30:57
lives. 00:31:02
Anyway, she she her concerns summarized would be that she she would mostly be concerned about the traffic that would be generated 00:31:09
on Highland Drive if it were redeveloped. R28 it would basically go from potentially having one home to potentially having three 00:31:18
dwelling units, whether they be detached or one would be executed on a 10,000 foot lot like a twin home. 00:31:27
So we'll put that on the record and with that, we'll open up public comment. I'll just remind everybody again, please try to keep 00:31:37
it to 3 minutes or less and give us your name and address. I. 00:31:42
A lot of times people are expecting a back and forth with the council. That's really not what we do. We're here to listen to what 00:31:48
input you have. If a council member feels inclined to comment or clarifying something, they certainly can do that. But we 00:31:54
typically don't get into a back and forth exchange. But public comments open. So come on up and let us know your thoughts, anybody 00:31:59
that's here for that. 00:32:05
You're all looking at each other like, who's going to go first? 00:32:12
Ron Hilton, 2394 Murray Holiday Rd. 00:32:22
Said I was coming up, so here I am. So I I'm very sympathetic to this application. It's very similar to my own application several 00:32:26
years ago. 00:32:31
Where we live in a small historic home on Murray Holiday Rd. At the time it was in the. 00:32:37
Medium density district. 00:32:46
Which allowed for rezones and so we applied for an R210 rezone just like this one as you may recall ultimately that was denied I'm 00:32:49
not going to say that was wrong you know we're trying to make the best of it I. 00:32:55
And then after that, the city actually amended the general plan to carve our property out of the medium density zone, I guess just 00:33:03
to make sure we wouldn't come back and try and do it again. So, but you know, we moved ahead, we're moving forward. 00:33:10
But this one caught my eye because those similarities and the historic nature of the home and it sounds like the applicant has put 00:33:19
some resources and you know, is passionate about restoring that and maintaining that, which is great. 00:33:26
But what you know, what we've seen is. 00:33:34
You know, they feel that way and then they sell it to somebody else and. 00:33:37
You know it's. 00:33:41
Becomes like the Brenton mansion, so. 00:33:43
With this. 00:33:47
Preservation ordinance you're considering, it gives another alternative to rezoning and that was what I was talking about earlier. 00:33:49
The other possible uses including. 00:33:56
Dwelling single 234 multifamily up to a maximum of 16 units per acre. Now obviously in this case you wouldn't go all the way to 00:34:03
16, but this would give the flexibility to you know, to add those units and at the same time. 00:34:12
Would preserve the historic building SO2 for one SO. 00:34:22
Anyway, I think, you know, I'm not against a rezone. Like I said, I tried to do the same thing myself. I do think that R18 would 00:34:29
probably be more appropriate. That's 5 units per acre. That's what the what the. 00:34:36
Highland Dr. master plan calls for, you know, our 210 is 8 units per acre. So it's a little more, but I understand, you know, if 00:34:43
you're trying to get to 3 units, you probably need the the R210. But anyway, I just want to say what you're going to be talking 00:34:50
about later could be another possibly better answer to, to what they're looking to do. 00:34:57
Without a rezone. 00:35:04
Thank you. Thank you. 00:35:06
See a lot of people out there. 00:35:13
Don't be shy, Martha. 00:35:16
You were raising your hand. 00:35:18
Come on out. Come on up. Can you come? 00:35:23
OK, at least tell us your name and address. 00:35:27
I also lived in the breaking house. 00:35:37
So there's two persons. 00:35:54
And they want to rezone. 00:35:57
So when you talk about units, are you talking about? 00:36:01
Dwellings. 00:36:07
Single family dwellings, our M zone would be multifamily. They're not applying for RM. 00:36:09
The West parcel? Yes it does. 00:36:19
It's the one that's already there by Clark's, just north of Clark's house. 00:36:27
No change there. 00:36:32
All right. 00:36:39
Yeah, I think, I mean my own opinion is when that issue, that particular issue is clarified that. 00:36:40
The single family home on the West that's in R21 was going to stay in our 21 1/2 acre lot with its private, basically private road 00:36:47
entrance. It alleviated a lot of concerns that the neighbors had about this particular rezone. It wasn't. Yeah, there were rumors 00:36:54
circulating that weren't true. And when the staff report came out, it kind of clarified that. So. 00:37:01
OK. 00:37:09
Anybody else before I Are you coming, Bob? 00:37:11
OK. 00:37:15
City Council, my name is Bob Grogan. I'm at 1891 Baywood, so just. 00:37:19
One house down from the excess property to the West. 00:37:25
Nice to see you. 00:37:31
I appreciate his perspective in their point on not. 00:37:33
Doing it or adding the multiple units in there and restoring what they're doing up front? My only concern or comment I guess would 00:37:39
be to say. 00:37:43
Going back to what was just stated a little bit earlier, if you make the change to the zoning. 00:37:48
Without any necessarily, you know, change what you're looking at if it gets sold down the road. 00:37:54
That it opens up. 00:38:03
For the Master Highland Dr. master property, they would be able to re or add additional properties in there, correct? That's true. 00:38:07
Or as if it's kept the same as it is now or referred to as a historical. 00:38:15
Respectively be kept within. 00:38:23
The boundaries of what that zoning requirement would be correct. 00:38:26
That goes to a historical one, I guess you know, or if it stays where it is, obviously it stays where it is, a single home 00:38:32
dwelling. 00:38:35
So that would be my only comment on it. If you go to put that into play that that brings that into the future. 00:38:39
Ability for someone else? 00:38:48
To redevelop it. 00:38:50
On the property at that point. So thank you. That was my only comment. Thanks Pop. 00:38:52
OK. 00:39:06
If there's no other public comment, what? 00:39:09
We'll close this public hearing and I, we will be, we'll probably have a short discussion on this during the work session for 00:39:14
those that would like to stick around for that. 00:39:19
And I would anticipate that this will be on the agenda on November 21st for vote. 00:39:27
OK. Thank you. We are going to move on to item number 5. Right now we've got three items to cover. We're going to have just kind 00:39:36
of a brief. 00:39:40
Review of the Rebel Marathon and half marathon, I think Darryl Phippen and then that'll and then we'll bring up the UFA and UPD 00:39:45
liaisons. 00:39:50
And we won't be offended if people are leaving. 00:39:55
I'll take a smaller graph. 00:40:07
Darrell Phippen with Brooke See, we are the producers of the Revel Big Cottonwood Marathon and Half Marathon. Mayor Dolly, City 00:40:10
Council, I came before you about two years ago to get your approval to change the route from coming down Big Cottonwood Canyon and 00:40:17
stain and Cottonwood Heights to make a loop through your beautiful city, which you approved. And I wanted to give you an update on 00:40:23
how it has gone over the last two years. 00:40:30
Really quickly, I appreciate all the help of Gina and Chief Hoyle with UPD in helping us design a route to spotlight your 00:40:37
beautiful city but minimize the impact on your residents. On that second Saturday each September in 2022, before we change the 00:40:44
route, we had 4100 runners participate in the event. When we change the course, there was a lot of excitement and our numbers 00:40:51
jumped to just under 4900. 00:40:58
And with 35% of those folks coming from out of the state and coming to see your beautiful city, and out of those, 25% of them use 00:41:06
the Big Cottonwood Marathon to go and run the Boston Marathon. The following April, the race that was just completed two months 00:41:14
ago, the number jumped again to 5100 people. 00:41:22
With the numbers of the runners using it for. 00:41:31
The Boston Marathon qualifying time roughly the same. We'd like to also report that in that same time the majority of the hotels 00:41:35
that are runners stay at and that we encourage runners to stay at our within your city boundaries. And they have increased 50% by 00:41:42
2022. And also the numbers of residents of holiday that have run the race has also increased by 50% since 2022 as well. So I 00:41:49
appreciate. 00:41:57
The work of Gina, she and I talk after each year. I think there were a few growing pains with it being a first year one with not 00:42:04
only Gina but Chief Hoyle and all the officers that work the event on that Saturday. And I think it went smooth the first year, 00:42:12
but it went even smoother this second year. So I appreciate you letting this race come through your beautiful city and for the 00:42:19
support of you and just really wanted to come here. 00:42:26
Really just to say thank you for allowing us to continue to bring runners from all 50 states. 00:42:35
Across the United States to run this race. So just wanted to say thank you. 00:42:40
Thank you so much. Thanks for taking the time. And I know it was a lot of work for Chief Oil Gina as well, but I think Chief Hoyle 00:42:46
got the brunt of it. I don't know how many, how many officers we had to bring on for traffic control. 00:42:52
90 and yeah, and then I think you get stuck with the Salt Lake Marathon too, don't you? 00:42:59
Hey, Chief Mazarin, we got a, we got to lighten his load a little bit. 00:43:06
Anyway, I know it's a lot of work, it's on a Saturday, a lot. It takes a lot of coordination. And so we appreciate you coming in, 00:43:11
your kind comments. But also, Chief Chief Hoyle, thanks again for all you do. And Gina and the staff are accommodating. They've 00:43:17
been incredible to work with. So they always are. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. 00:43:24
OK. We are going to move on to a UFA update. This is the quarterly kind of push a little bit. We've got Captain Dan Brown here 00:43:32
today to kind of go through some numbers with us and tell us what's happening with UFA. Sure. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you, Council 00:43:36
for having me. 00:43:40
So this be from quarter three, July 1st through September 30th. And is that your bicep there? You know, I don't know if that is or 00:43:45
not. That looks like it. That person looks like they shave their arm. 00:43:51
So these numbers there's a couple that I'd like to point out. So we are getting a little bit busy. You can see that 77 calls more 00:44:02
in this quarter than the previous quarter. But the one thing I did want to point out on the ambulance response so that on the 00:44:08
incoming units. So those are those are the responses within the city of holidays. So you can see that the engine, you know medic 00:44:15
engine 10465 point or 65.8% of the calls and holiday. 00:44:21
Medic Engine 104 responds on and if you remember, on the map. 00:44:29
On priority one calls which are dispatched via the closest unit doesn't matter. So even if a Murray unit happens to be driving 00:44:33
through holiday and a priority one call, which would be immediate life threatening, you know, breathing problem, cardiac event, 00:44:40
they dispatched the closest unit via GPS on on the rig. So you can see Cottonwood Heights and 1:12 and 1:06. They all own a little 00:44:47
piece of holiday. So if there's a priority one in their area. 00:44:54
Then they go in and they're first in. So that's just an advantage of a shared service model. And if you look at the ambulance 00:45:02
responses, traditionally I. 00:45:05
That's usually only been about half that. So if you remember, and some of you might not know this in the past, Medic ambulance one 00:45:11
O 4 was what we call a peak load ambulance. So it would be, it would run from 9:00 to 9:00, nine in the morning to 9:00 PM. And 00:45:19
the 24 hour ambulance was located at station 106 in Mill Creek, which is on 1911 E and 3300 S We flip flop those so now. 00:45:27
One O 4 has a 24 hour ambulance and then the peak load is now at in Mill Creek. And the reason they did that was just the call 00:45:36
volume. Call volume is going up here. 00:45:41
And at night especially, there's a lot of calls on holiday at night, that's just how it is. So that that's flip flop, which is 00:45:46
good for the cities, the residents of holiday, so that that's doubled and. 00:45:52
It doesn't cost anything because an ambulance is what we call shared service. So even though you in the city get a higher level 00:46:00
service because ambulances are considered a shared service to at all, it's a, it's a budget neutral move. Now if you look at that 00:46:06
at at the other thing that the other thing we've switched is the top EMS calls is ALS, which is advanced, advanced life support, 00:46:12
which they've kind of grouped that all together because. 00:46:18
That would be anything super emergent again, it'd be a breathing problem, a seizure. 00:46:25
A cardiac event, but that would have populated all of those top EMS calls. So we're kind of just calling that advanced life 00:46:31
support at the top there. I don't know if you like that or not. That's that's kind of what they what they decided and then the 00:46:36
rest is kind of the same as we've seen before. But those were the highlights of this quarterly report that's different from the 00:46:41
last one. Does anybody have any questions on this slide? 00:46:46
OK. 00:46:53
The heat map we'll just go quickly from here and we'll go to the next one. This has not changed much you can keep going Stephanie. 00:46:56
The red spot is the is the care center, it's the rich care center and that will never change that will always that'll always look 00:47:02
like that unless unless we get some more care centers in here OK so one thing I wanted to highlight is this is our urban search 00:47:09
and rescue team so. 00:47:15
Unified Fire Authority is a sponsoring agency for a FEMA. 00:47:21
Urban Search and Rescue team, I'll call my us, our team from here on out, which they're located in West Jordan, our logistics 00:47:26
center and we sent. 00:47:30
80 people to hurricanes Milton and and Helene. So on September 27th, let's see, I think it was September 27th. 00:47:35
We start off with 45 personnel and it's made-up of UFA, Salt Lake City, Ogden, Park City Fire, South Jordan, West Valley, West 00:47:45
Jordan and civilians. We sent 45 at the beginning and and 22 were from UFA. We always have, we always have the brunt as as we're 00:47:52
the largest agency, but what makes it important is. 00:47:59
You know, these this use our team, I don't know if anybody's ever seen it, but they have a whole warehouse in our logistics center 00:48:07
and they've got about $5,000,000 worth of equipment. That's all purchased by the federal government that UFA has access to. 00:48:14
In fact, and this is not a, it's kind of a sad subject, but last night as everybody saw, saw the house explode in South Jordan, 00:48:22
they actually brought in a a usar dog to help, to help locate the victim last night in South Jordan. So you have access to all of 00:48:27
that equipment and training. 00:48:32
Once you do it once, you're a lot more proficient than if you've ever done in training once you do it once in real life. So the 00:49:08
experience that you get from a deployment like this and then those people bring it back here and then they work here in in our 00:49:14
city and in our running district. That's invaluable, right? So at first they, like you said, they have 45, they went down, they 00:49:20
went to hurricane, they're doing search and rescue mostly in Tennessee and North Carolina. 00:49:27
Then Hurricane Milton's going to happen. So they were staged in Georgia. They they went up to 80 personnel. 00:49:33
About half from UFA and they ended up not going to Florida because Milton was not as difficult as they thought. So they were 00:49:39
staged and then they came home, but altogether they were gone from from. 00:49:45
September 27th and they came home October 12th. So they were gone, They were gone for a long time and they have all sorts of 00:49:53
specialized equipment and and at the same time it it does put a stress on people back here. I ended up having to work 8 days 00:49:57
straight, which is not normal. You know, usually you're two on four off. I ended up working 8 days straight because you know if 00:50:02
you have. 00:50:07
4540 people of our firefighters gone you know people have to work to fill seats back here. So but it's all it's all good that's 00:50:12
that's what everybody does and and we know that going in that if Argus, our team gets deployed that people have to step up and 00:50:18
even work back here so it it's just. 00:50:24
It's an invaluable experience. And I think there's a couple more pictures, Stephanie, that you can go, OK, you can, you can stop. 00:50:31
But does anybody have any questions about about the USAR deployment or how that works? Is that a FEMA funded deployment? 00:50:35
Everything, everything's FEMA funded from. 00:50:40
Everything from their training, from when they leave the door and until they come back, that's all FEMA funded. And then even the 00:50:46
backfill is FEMA funded, so. 00:50:50
The back remaining overtime from the folks who stayed Yep, Yep. Even the backfill is all is all is all funded by is by FEMA. So it 00:50:54
really doesn't cost the department anything to to do something like this. It's really it's a benefit. But the one thing you know 00:51:01
is that not that it's a bad thing, but you have to go right. That's the one thing we're a sponsoring agency. So as you know, 00:51:08
council member, father mayor, we the one thing that we've had trouble with the staffing, right. There's a lot of public safety. 00:51:14
There's, it doesn't matter if you're, if you're a sponsoring agency, if you use our task force when they call you, you have to go 00:51:21
and you have to have to figure it out. So luckily we were able to figure it out on the backside. We may need that someday. So 00:51:27
right, exactly, exactly. It is what it is. 00:51:33
It's good or not, but luckily it was after wildfire season is over because, you know, we deploy people. 00:51:39
Wildfire too, and that depletes resources. So luckily it's, you know, hurricane season is a little after that, but it is all 00:51:43
funded by the feds. 00:51:46
Would you pass on our things for all the people who did that and went and served other people? We appreciate that so much. And 00:51:50
we're grateful to be a part of this unified model where we are working to serve people outside of our immediate community and 00:51:55
shared resources. Yeah, of course, you know, and we're lucky, like I said, this is the only one in the state. I think California 00:52:01
made A5 search and rescue teams. There's 28 of them in the country and we're we're fortunate to have one of them. So. 00:52:07
How long, how long have we been one of these or had these sponsoring organizations? And then also how frequently are they getting 00:52:13
like the opportunity, like how, how often does it really come up? 00:52:18
I will have to look into how long we've had it. So I believe that we've had it for long time, long time. I can't remember not 00:52:25
having it and I've been on 18 years, so I think we've had the whole time. Now as far as getting deployed, they see this was 00:52:29
probably their most. 00:52:34
With deployment where they got the most work, they went up to the flooding in Colorado a few years ago. I don't know if you 00:52:41
remember about that, but they only went for, you know, I think they were only gone for four or five days. A lot of the times what 00:52:46
they do is they take the 28 teams and they rotate who's who's up first as far as going to get deployed. So it's kind of the luck 00:52:51
of the draw and a lot of times you get pre positioned so. 00:52:55
I feel like they might go deployed once every, you know, few years, 2-3 years, and then actually deploy for a couple weeks. I 00:53:02
can't remember the last time that's happened maybe. 00:53:08
Katrina, maybe? Or, you know, it just doesn't happen very much. 00:53:14
And the next. 00:53:21
Is a call that I wanted to talk about. 00:53:25
On October 24th and some of you probably heard about it and there was a house fire in holiday. 00:53:29
And. 00:53:36
It was an interesting fire because most people in house fires can. 00:53:37
Self evacuate, right? I mean, that's just, that's just how it is. And this one was a particularly hard one. And these pictures are 00:53:44
just to show you, you know, that was medication 104 pumping up at the top. And but there was a there, there was a victim trapped 00:53:50
and I just wanted to highlight that. 00:53:56
UFA and UPD as well. I don't know if you know about 5 UPD officers were treated four months at the hospital and were treated and 00:54:03
released and one UFA captain actually was injured and. 00:54:10
It just doesn't happen very much we're they had to they had to go in and that's Captain Chad Pate. He actually pulled the victim 00:54:18
out and and and hurt his back in the process. But it's just. 00:54:24
It was a tough call for the crews and not the outcome everybody wanted, but. 00:54:30
I just want to highlight it because the crews work hard and not just UFA but UPD and they put their lives on the line too. 00:54:36
You know, for all the citizens we serve so. 00:54:48
And you've probably heard about the fire, but I just wanted to. 00:54:51
Once again, I just wanted to say thank you. That's I feel like my district has just taken up a lot of time of UFA and UPD. I don't 00:54:55
know what we're doing. It doesn't like that before. I don't know what's, I don't know what I'm doing. But once again, we are just 00:55:01
incredibly grateful for the quick. 00:55:06
Response and the. 00:55:11
Just the amazing service that you all give day in and day out. 00:55:14
We're all very, very grateful. Thank you, Councillor. I'll make sure to pass that on. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions? 00:55:19
A brief comment about the two things you talked about that the use are and this particular event at the board meeting the some of 00:55:26
the folks who participated in deployment. 00:55:31
The two points I wanted to make was a they they really value the experience, professional experience they get from that sort of 00:55:38
opportunity. 00:55:42
And then? 00:55:48
But also that sort of opportunity, or rather that sort of work can be very stressful and difficult because you can imagine, you 00:55:50
know, searching vehicles that have been trapped under bridges and you don't know what you're going to find. And then of course, 00:55:57
this particular incident Holiday also had some trauma associated with it. But but that point I want to make is that UFA leadership 00:56:04
is has increased their investments fairly dramatically in behavioral health, mental health. 00:56:10
Debriefing resources because it's very difficult work, even though lots of it can be very professionally satisfying, it can be 00:56:19
very traumatic as well, and leadership recognizes that and has been investing in. 00:56:26
In behavioral health and mental health resources to help our officers. 00:56:34
Get through those sort of traumatic services. Thank you. Thank you, councilmember. I mean, I remember and, you know, before I was 00:56:40
a firefighter, I was in the Marine Corps. And then even 18 years ago, you were looked down upon if you even wanted to talk about 00:56:46
anything. And so I think it's it's been a great shift and I think the police have done it as well, that mental health is finally 00:56:51
becoming a priority. 00:56:56
Yeah, thanks. Thanks for that. And I know we had I think 4 police officers that ended up being treated on that incident as well. 00:57:03
Trying to go in and get that that Lady out of it was an unfortunate ending, but. 00:57:10
Great work by both UFA and UPD on that one. Thank you. 00:57:18
Thanks, Captain Brown. One quick comment from me. I really like the new dashboard format. OK, fantastic. All right, Well, I'll let 00:57:24
the feedback. Yeah, let's just get through that real quick. That's a nice segue into Upd's update, then. 00:57:30
And we're really pleased to have Chief Mazarin here. He's our fearless leader of Unified, done a lot of great work this last year. 00:57:38
I know I've already talked about it, but. 00:57:42
It was a heavy lift getting all the shared services into new temporary homes while we're making this transition. 00:57:46
And so, Mayor, I'd just point out Doctor Kennedy is here. I don't know if you'd like. 00:57:52
To pause. 00:57:58
Yeah. Well, let's go ahead and we'll do and then we'll. 00:58:00
Gone to trainings around the country and talked to other officers and you see and you hear them talk about in different, like 00:58:33
again, different parts of the country where they have adversarial relationships with their, their brothers and sisters in the fire 00:58:38
department. And I just truly great for every day for the relationship that we have with UFA and, and even the relate working 00:58:43
relationship that Dan and I have here. It's, it's a second to none and, and work very closely and very well on these types of 00:58:48
tragedies that come together. 00:58:53
And, and have, you know, obviously this one had a very tragic outcome, but there were a lot of good things in in our relationships 00:58:59
and getting things done for the community in that situation as well. So. 00:59:04
As we jump into this quarterly report, you'll see there's the call volume from the last three years. As we move through it, you 00:59:09
can see this year the blue line has kind of kept it about in the middle of 2022-2023. We're down quite a bit of calls this quarter 00:59:17
and we'll see that in the next slide from 2023 in in this current year. 00:59:25
As you move to the next slide there, oh, you're right on top of that, Stephanie, as always, you'll see overall. 00:59:34
This quarter we're down 117 cases from what we were in 2023, which is great to see the call volume and caseload going down. 00:59:40
Overall, it is very impressive as we look at the traffic cases moving in to this, this current year for those three months, those 00:59:47
the numbers 40 traffic cases 3838, that's pretty consistent monthly and and across the board and then you'll see our booking 00:59:54
arrests. 01:00:00
In July, August and September. 01:00:08
And then the citations that were issued here in the city. 01:00:10
The next slide, which is our response times for this city from priority ones, which are the most important. 01:00:14
We had July, August and September again, 4 minutes for a priority one call and two minutes in September. And then the priority two 01:00:22
and priority three you can see are a little bit longer response times. They're not as high of a priority, but still very important 01:00:27
calls to go on. 01:00:33
If I, I won't dive into each of these next slides, but each one of these next slides are broken out into your respective 01:00:41
respective council districts. So you can see the type of calls, how many calls we went on in your own districts for this this 01:00:45
quarter. 01:00:50
Then if you have any questions at the end, I'm happy to dive into those or answer those if you if you need. 01:00:57
And then lastly, for those three months, there's four cases that I want to highlight of note. 01:01:03
That I think are. 01:01:09
Are important that you guys understand and know the first one was August 23rd detectives saw near who is our mental health 01:01:11
detective here in the precinct had received complaints about an individual in in one of our apartment complexes that he was having 01:01:19
a mental breakdown was making some very serious terroristic threats threats of different improvised explosive devices and so he. 01:01:28
With mental health issues is very important and it's been paid off because he had a good relationship with him to where I had a 01:02:06
very successful and peaceful ending in that case. The next case that I wanted to touch on is on August 10th. 01:02:12
The newly formed East Side directed enforcement unit that we had formed with with the reorganization of UPD is a shared unit 01:02:19
between Mill Creek, Midvale and Holiday. That unit as part of an ongoing investigation with Homeland Security served a search 01:02:27
one-on-one of our homes along with the assistance of Unified Police SWAT team, K9 Holiday detectives in that DEU unit, they were 01:02:34
able to serve this warrant and arrest 3 individuals and inside there they were distributing anabolic steroids. 01:02:41
Methamphetamine, distributable amounts of bath salts as well inside that home. And so multiple arrests, multiple felonies were 01:02:49
charged in that search warrant. The next one, which is quite interesting was a case that started as a vehicle burglary in Sandy. 01:02:57
Our detectives got some information that maybe the suspects were at an address here in Holiday. They followed up with it and 01:03:04
recovered over $10,000 in stolen property, including an assistant Fire Chief from down South, all of his fire turn out. 01:03:11
As well, that was stolen, including other firearms, and ultimately it led to several police agencies getting involved in this case 01:03:19
and having cases that these guys had been on a crime spree throughout Salt Lake County. So that was a great one. 01:03:26
And then the last one I have to share is on the last slide here and you'll see the kind of fun photo that this gentleman posted of 01:03:33
our two detectives. But this, this just shows you the great work that our folks are doing every single day. 01:03:39
This gentleman that you see here, he posted this, this photo of his truck and our two detectives, but he came into the precinct to 01:03:46
report his Ford pickup truck stolen at about 2:00 in the afternoon and our detectives immediately started looking for that. They 01:03:54
were able to get a search warrant from Ford to track the location of it, tracked it within 3 hours to Salt Lake City, went over. 01:04:01
Unfortunately the truck was unoccupied, but we're able to recover it for him. This gentleman was super excited about it and I. 01:04:08
Think the the comment that he wrote at the bottoms kind of fun. You gonna read it? 01:04:16
Yeah, I've never any swear. And I'm, well, you know, I I'll, I'll, I'll be careful with my language here. These fellas delivered 01:04:22
in 12 hours. Darn proud of Holiday City Unified. You and at Ford Joyriders. Smoked some weed, ate some jack-in-the-box tacos, 01:04:29
drove about 15 miles, still in mint condition. 01:04:35
Knocking 5000 off the price today, 40,000 and she's yours. Anyway, great work by these detectives to get his truck back for him. 01:04:42
And again, I'm just darn proud of the detectives and the work that they're doing here in the city every single day. So with that, 01:04:48
if you're OK, I'd like to give Chief manager in a couple of minutes and and then if you have any questions for us, we're happy to 01:04:54
answer them. Thanks, Chief. Amen. Appreciate it. 01:05:00
Mayor and council, it's good to be here. I'll just be very brief, but. 01:05:08
I just want to come and check in and answer any questions or give you just a really brief update. It's always fun to come back to 01:05:12
holiday. I love this area. I grew up here. 01:05:16
In fact, when I was pulling in I. 01:05:21
The weirdest vision of this young person. Video burns. Do you guys remember that? Sure. And then for some reason popped in my 01:05:23
head, the appliance store on the corner that sold ice cream. Does anyone remember that? Carlos Smith. Yeah. Carlos, we, we just 01:05:30
opened a lot of ice cream, a lot of good times in the holidays. So it's good to be here. As you know, this has been a very 01:05:36
significant year for the Unified Police Department. 01:05:43
We had a separation from Salt Lake County and a significant reorganization. 01:05:50
Was very intensive over the past year. We got to July 1st. 01:05:55
And we have been moving forward with our department as it stands now. I had anticipated, as with any large projects or 01:05:59
reorganization, that there might be some problems. 01:06:06
And was prepared to deal with those. 01:06:14
And I'm happy to report that a lot of what, you know, concerns I had never really materialized. Our folks were great. They stepped 01:06:17
up to the plate every time. I mean, you can see evidence of that here tonight. And things have gone really well. One of the 01:06:23
concerns I had too, is recruiting. You know, how would people perceive that event and would we have recruiting problems? I mean, 01:06:30
obviously, our recruiting is nowhere near what it was. 01:06:36
Pre 2020. 01:06:43
But you know, for years after that, you know, we would get two or three applications and. 01:06:47
And we were really struggling, but I don't know why, but I'm really happy to report in the last few months we've. 01:06:52
I've been doing interviews constantly and working really hard to bring people in. I'm talking to people almost every week and new 01:06:59
hire interviews. And so we're working very aggressively on our staffing. You know, we lost some folks to the Sheriff's Office, 01:07:04
but. 01:07:09
We're filling our ranks back up and as the mayor had mentioned earlier, you know, I expect to have us close to full staffing or a 01:07:15
normal staffing level. 01:07:21
By the beginning of next year. So if you look at things nationally and staffing across. 01:07:27
Various states in the nation, that's significant. So the bottom line is we're doing well. 01:07:34
And that credit really goes to our officers and frankly that credit also goes to our board members. 01:07:41
And to the support from our various partners and municipalities and those councils and our elected officials who have been 01:07:48
outstanding and incredibly supportive so. 01:07:53
I appreciate it. Thank you. 01:07:59
Thanks for all you do for the support you give us. So I don't know if you have any questions. 01:08:02
For me or anything regarding kind of what we're doing or where we're at? 01:08:10
No, I kind of kept everybody abreast, but I do, I do want to. 01:08:14
I mean your leadership's been been phenomenal during this. It's been a difficult time and Chief Oils, but I should thank our 01:08:19
council too, because we've asked them to write big checks the last four or five years to include last year when we lost some 01:08:24
economies and they've. 01:08:30
Never flinched in policing our community being their top priority and if we got a cut it will be other places. 01:08:35
So I appreciate the support of this council and understanding the challenges we've had over the last four or five years with, you 01:08:43
know, culturally with policing our communities, but also with this situation we were were put in not by our own choosing and some 01:08:51
of the losses of economies that that created and being continuing to be really supportive. So I appreciate that. Yeah, it's been 01:08:58
an interesting last four years, but I'm optimistic. We have a strategic planning committee. I attended that meeting. 01:09:06
Earlier this afternoon. We are looking forward to the future, making plans, we have a vision, some goals. 01:09:13
And we're putting together a plan that is going to take us into 2027. And obviously when that's prepared, I'll share that with our 01:09:19
board members, with the mayor, and you are all welcome to look at that if you'd like to. But. 01:09:26
Again, we're thankful. 01:09:34
We are your Police Department. We have your back and we appreciate your support. We know you have ours. So thank you. Thank you. 01:09:36
Thanks, Chief. Thanks, Chief. Chiefs, Captains. 01:09:42
All right. Well, first let me say thank you for your patience, Doctor Kennedy, as we work through the agenda. 01:09:50
But we are very pleased and honored to have former state senator, and I don't know if it's current doctor or not or if you're 01:09:57
going to have to resign that position now. 01:10:02
But a newly elected Third District congressional Congressman, Doctor Mike Kennedy, is here to introduce himself. Before he comes 01:10:08
up, I would like to, I mean, say how much we have enjoyed the representation we've received from from Congressman Curtis, now 01:10:15
Senator Elect Curtis, he's been a terrific supporter of the city. We've always had his ear and and we're looking forward to the 01:10:23
same relationship with you. But this is our opportunity to get to know you a little bit and see what you questions. 01:10:30
Of our council and for us to say thank you for taking time out of what I know is a very busy schedule. I can only imagine to come 01:10:38
and see our little city here and talk to our council. 01:10:44
Well, thanks for having me here, Mayor. And it's a it's a beautiful little city and I've been here before and I'm grateful to be 01:10:55
here again. Thanks for having me. And I, I want to make it an actually HD Sanderson is here with me. He's a part of the John 01:11:01
Curtis team and and we hope to have him on our team And he and I are working as we build our team, coordinating. How can we reach 01:11:07
out in a systematic fashion, be with you as often as is not irritating for you, but also helpful for us to collaborate. And in 01:11:13
fact, I, I. 01:11:19
That in this federal position, I want collaboration between the feds, the state elected officials, our city councils, of course, 01:11:25
our county commissions, mayors. I think it's all vital that we understand and try to work together because particularly and I'll 01:11:32
just put on the docket 10 years from now, we're hoping to and we will be sponsoring the Olympics again. And that's going to be an 01:11:40
all hands on deck and holidays I think going to be a Ground Zero of many of those activities. So if we understand each other. 01:11:47
I'm not going to be sort of building Olympic venues around, but there are those that will be doing that. I see the federal role 01:11:55
that we have in the Olympics and many other things is how can we facilitate you doing the excellent work that you do. And part of 01:12:01
that is so candidate Kennedy. That's what these are. And I'd like to hand them out with my personal phone number on. There is now 01:12:06
Congressman Elect Kennedy. So these are a little outdated, but I got a whole bundle of them still and I'm going to use them 01:12:11
because I'm a physical conservative. 01:12:17
But my phone number is not going to change, so if you don't mind if I take a moment, just hand these out. 01:12:23
Thank you. 01:12:37
Thank you. 01:12:39
I think it's a reflection of we want that personal touch. I want you to know, I want to represent you. I think that this is a 01:12:51
vital part. So yeah, I'm still doctoring actually. And that that life has been busy. I've been running a campaign for a year. I've 01:12:58
been doctoring as much as I can because I've got to practice, to unwind and essentially. 01:13:04
Terminate, which actually is sad to me because for 25 years I've been taking care of these people and watch little kids, babies 01:13:12
born and growing up and done their mission physicals and then they're getting married. And it's, it's a real privilege. That's my 01:13:18
professional life. And in fact, I was in the office today and I'll be in the office again tomorrow. And at the same time, I'm a 01:13:24
state senator and I was last night at the state Capitol and doing the confirmation committee hearings. And so it's been busy and. 01:13:30
I will effectively resign as a state senator January 1st. Brady Brammer, the representative in my area. 01:13:37
Desire is to not only try to fill those shoes, which is a massive task, but try to exceed the efforts that they made to be 01:14:14
customer service oriented in the form of my doctor's office. I want people to come, my office to be treated the way I'd like my 01:14:20
mother to be treated when she comes to the doctor's office. 01:14:26
And we want to try to address those things. So, so I, my personal standard for this kind of public service is that sort of 01:15:02
standard. And it's a lot to live up to. But part of that is, and I was just talking with HD and we're just new to this. What is a 01:15:09
systematic approach? What is the number of times that we can make sure we're coming at least that many times? And then when you 01:15:15
call or I need you as we connect even more than that, I don't know, but Congressional District 3. 01:15:21
There's obviously a lot of ground to cover. 01:15:29
That can be prepared when I do fully assume this responsibility, so I can serve you well. 01:16:01
Well. 01:16:08
We, you know, I think to start, I'd say I think sometimes lobbyists get a bad. 01:16:11
Bad rap, but we work with Ryan Levitt and Ryan's been terrific. I've been extremely impressed. Yeah, he's a great, great guy and 01:16:17
and we communicate with him for a lot. So I think we looking at Gina and Holly here too, because I don't do a lot of this stuff, 01:16:24
but we rely on him a lot for that liaison. I think a big thing for us is to just have a primary point of contact with your office 01:16:32
that we can call when we have a need. I would categorize ourselves as being a pretty low maintenance city. 01:16:39
Like we try not to overdo it. So when we do call, it's usually because we it's pretty important, but it's not a lot. So we rely on 01:16:47
Ryan a lot and. 01:16:52
At some point probably want to bring bring whoever is appropriate on the staff up to speed on a couple of things that we have 01:16:57
working at the federal level. 01:17:02
With this City Hall and then an ongoing major project that we're going to be working on for, it's probably going to be a number of 01:17:07
years of Highland Dr. stretch that we've actually toured with with Senator Elect Curtis. I think we did a little tour of that. 01:17:14
Those are probably the two big things I would maybe infrastructure. 01:17:21
So does this place need to be replaced? Is that no, We, we are love this building by the way, it's very happy with this. I mean, 01:17:28
I, it's the, the bathroom, said boys. And the other ones said girls. 01:17:33
I love it. This is like an old what elementary high school elementary zone, right, Actually, the original boys and girls 01:17:39
depictions and so cute, but no, we're we're very. 01:17:44
You know, I've said we survey our citizens and we try to be very. 01:17:51
We try to pay attention to what they're telling us and what our citizens tell us is we care about our police, we care about our 01:17:57
fire, we care about our roads being maintained, our storm drains being maintained. 01:18:03
And we like to have a functional City Hall, but we don't need to have and they like it. And so, but it does need, we have seismic 01:18:08
issues, which is what we're working federally on right now is to try to help with that and then the rest of it will do it on our 01:18:14
own. But our, our plan is to, to basically seismically stabilize and then remodel this and get another 25 years out of it. But no, 01:18:20
we're not tearing it down. So there's a, there's a sense in this place that's different from a newly remodeled, refurbished 01:18:26
whatever. 01:18:32
That's great. 01:18:38
And the other one we touched on was Island Dr. really is our major transportation corridor through the city. And we've got the 01:18:40
east side, you know, Wasatch Blvd. but the Island Dr. really is. 01:18:45
The future jewel of holiday and we've worked with Representative Curtis on some funding for some study work, but it's going to be 01:18:51
a long term project. And I think if we're going to be involved in the Olympics at all, that's kind of going to be the jewel that 01:18:58
that needs the most attention and we'd appreciate any help we can get at the federal level. 01:19:06
Or is this going to be just not the expansion of lanes, but expansion of functionality? OK. 01:19:14
So it might include some right of way acquisition because we want to make it multi use, you know it still has plenty of cars, but 01:19:20
then we also and bike access. So it's going to need some significant redevelopment over the next 10 years. 01:19:27
And I'll just say personally, when I run the half marathon, I'm still weak enough that I can't do a full marathon. I guess I'm not 01:19:36
crazy enough to do a full marathon. But when I do the Big Cottonwood half marathon, I've done it four times is I'm utilizing these 01:19:42
facilities, this area. And usually I'm really tired, sweaty and feeling terrible when I'm doing it. But it is it's an amazing 01:19:48
place that you live. And I want to help promote whatever we can to make sure that it stays amazing for the next 100 years. I do 01:19:54
think that's. 01:19:59
Part of the federal role that we have is to to first make sure that you are autonomous in your capacity to do things without us 01:20:05
Big Brother state or Big Brother government coming in and tell you what to do. I just trust our local communities. But the second 01:20:11
thing is that when we're taking your tax dollars. 01:20:17
And then those can be reallocated back for various projects. I want to make sure that we're getting those textilers so you can 01:20:23
effectuate your plans. So. So I'm with you on that. Of course, I wanna make sure what I can do and who do I need to talk to. And 01:20:29
Brian Levitt, I've no doubt is going to be an effective representative for you and a conduit for me to make sure we're in constant 01:20:34
connections about how to make those things work. 01:20:40
OK. 01:20:49
Well, congratulations again and thanks for your service and, and, and we look forward to another great relationship with our 01:20:51
representative at the federal levels. Thank you very much. And the the cell number, just don't hesitate to just reach out if you 01:20:57
got comments and if you want to send me your contacts so that I can have you in my phone, I'd love to have that. So thanks for 01:21:03
your time. Thanks so much. Just keep it going. Appreciate you coming and visiting with us, Mayor. 01:21:09
Oh, I'm sorry. 01:21:15
Well, he has prepared a nice little. 01:21:19
Thank you very much. 01:21:26
Sorry about that Ollie, I forgot. 01:21:28
OK. 01:21:31
Fabulous. All right, gosh, we're continuing. We still have an item to vote on, a couple items to vote on the ordinance 2024 and. 01:21:35
This is the accessory dwelling unit while we're waiting for the number any. 01:21:54
Any final questions on this one or are we ready to go? 01:21:58
You've worn me down, I think. 01:22:03
Well, we're going to ignore. Is John still here? 01:22:06
Yeah, you're still here. 01:22:11
But yeah, there's been a lot of work for you and your staff, Carrie. And so thanks for, we wanted to make sure we got this right 01:22:14
and we weren't in a big hurry. And I think we finally got there. So this is this was a heavy lift for you and your staff. We 01:22:19
appreciate all the work you guys did on this. 01:22:25
I'm probably glad to move on to the next thing, right? 01:22:32
Let's hear it. 01:22:36
We want this on the record, Absolutely. A family called this week looking to move their parents. They live up the street in an 01:22:46
older home. Their house is getting too much for their parents to maintain, so they want to move in with the daughter. But they 01:22:54
don't want to move in with the daughter. So they called and asked about doing an external detached Adu so that their aging parents 01:23:01
can move down the street. 01:23:08
Stay in their neighborhood and be on the same property with with their kids and grandkids and then be able to sell the house or 01:23:16
another family can move into that house that needs a little bit more care. So kind of that process of letting having seniors who 01:23:24
can stay in their neighborhoods and in their communities and those family and community connections being maintained. 01:23:32
Awesome. 01:23:41
And it's all because of you guys. 01:23:43
We have a number. 01:23:46
Let's move and we're going to come back to that. Are you going to be able to dig one out? 01:23:50
Can we do, Todd? Can we just do a motion with a? You can. 01:24:01
Yes, how would you like us to state it? 01:24:05
The ordinance relating to 2024 number forthcoming relating to adopting Title 13.14 Point 031 accessory dwelling units. 01:24:07
Are you ready Mr. May I move adoption ordinance to be numbered later? 01:24:18
Regarding adopting accessory dwelling units under Title 13, point 14.031. 01:24:25
Second, OK, motion and a second. 01:24:33
All right, we'll go to vote. Council Member Gray. Yes. Councilmember Quinn, Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, yes. Councilmember 01:24:36
Durham, Yes. Councilmember Brewer, Yes. And Chair vote Jeff. That ordinance is adopted. Way to go. 01:24:42
All right, We are on the consent agenda. Could we take a motion? I'll need a motion to approve minutes from August 15th, 22nd and 01:24:49
5th. 01:24:54
Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve minutes of August 1520 second and September 5th. 01:24:59
2nd. 01:25:07
Motion and a second all in favor say aye aye. Any opposed consent agenda is approved. Thank you and we'll move on to the city 01:25:09
manager report. 01:25:14
Have a lot to report today but did want to let the council know that Holly and I attended about 3 1/2 hours of a 16 hour 01:25:22
conference of today. 01:25:28
With the Utah City Managers Association and that 3 1/2 hours was focused on affordable affordable housing and home ownership and 01:25:36
the governor's senior housing policy advisor, Steve Waldrop addressed our. 01:25:45
Managers Association and provided what I thought was some really useful perspective for this conversation. Sometimes I think 01:25:55
during the legislative session we start with the the affordable housing topic and the direction the legislature would like cities 01:26:01
to move without. 01:26:07
An understanding of the the full magnitude of the issue. And so I'll just share a couple of things that Mister Waldrop shared with 01:26:14
us today. One thing is the. 01:26:20
The average? 01:26:27
Ratio of income to housing price. So historically that has been about 2 1/2 to three times income. 01:26:30
So if you are making $100,000, you would purchase a $300,000 home. That ratio has now changed for for those that are able to enter 01:26:39
the market to 5.9 to 6.2 times income. So that's the ratio of people that are able to purchase. 01:26:49
He also shared some information about at the average age of homeowners and we think this is in the United States and not just in 01:27:00
Utah, but the average age of homeowners now is 56 years old. The average age of first time home buyers is 38 years old. 01:27:09
He asked us to really consider the long term implications of a move from communities that are based primarily of homeowners to 01:27:20
communities that are based primarily of renters and what that will mean four years from now and and asked us to think about 01:27:28
addressing this issue from the perspective of providing opportunities for our kids. 01:27:36
And grandkids. 01:27:44
Just sharing that with the council. That was some really useful perspective for Holly Knight. 01:27:48
Thank you. 01:27:57
Any questions, Regina? 01:27:58
OK, we'll start with council reports. We'll start with Emily and work down the line. 01:28:01
As you know, I sit on the Cottonwood Community Council and as we are going into the holiday season, Cottonwood High School has a 01:28:06
couple of. 01:28:10
Service opportunities for members of the community that I wanted to make people aware of. The 1st is Cottonwood High School has 01:28:16
had an after school dinner program for at Cottonwood lunches at 10:45. So if you're involved in any after school academic 01:28:23
activities. 01:28:29
And then you take the after school bus, you're not getting home until about 6:00, so you're going 7 hours without food. That's 01:28:37
difficult for all of us, but I would say especially high school students find that really difficult for students who really need 01:28:44
to benefit from homework assistance or credit recovery or any other activities to help them graduate. 01:28:51
When they had to drop this program because of lack of funding, participation in that program dropped by 68%. And so they're 01:29:01
looking to refund that program. There's Flyers, there's one on the Community Board I. 01:29:08
So they're going out to members of the community seeking for donations to continue that funding so that they can have a dinner in 01:29:16
place for these students. So they'll stay involved in these after school programs and get the academic help that they need so that 01:29:22
they can graduate. Most of these students are ESL learners, free and reduced lunch. A good portion of them are refugees or 01:29:29
immigrants. And so this really. 01:29:35
Is this is a significant program that helps? 01:29:43
Those most in need in our community. Along with that, Cottonwood High School has an annual Christmas Extravaganza program. 01:29:46
To help students provide gifts not only for themselves but for a lot of times younger siblings. 01:29:56
They're high need items like winter wear, as well as a lot of fun things. What you'll see most often is these students are going 01:30:04
in and picking up gifts for younger siblings. 01:30:09
So these are new any pretty much any new item that you would think anyone 18 or younger would enjoy or take in his donations and 01:30:16
then distributed to these students. So I just want to make people aware of these opportunities. They are amazing students over at 01:30:22
Cottonwood doing a lot of wonderful things and anything we can do to help help them more of them graduate is is worth our time and 01:30:28
and resources. 01:30:34
Only one question before the the dinner program, was there a target budget that's needed? The target budget is $45,000. That's 01:30:41
that lasts. That's for $5 mil for 50 students for an entire school year is what they're what they're hoping to achieve. I'm sorry, 01:30:47
5 bucks? How many students, 50? 01:30:53
Just to clarify though, I mean when we went to that meeting, I think they said. 01:31:00
So they'll be our target spotlight at the interfaith service on the 17th and Clark Nelson will speak to it, but. 01:31:07
We can get out to the community and get 20. If we can get half of that, then they can fire it back up in January, right? We don't 01:31:16
have to wait. So that's really our goal is we'd love to see if there's a way for us to get out into the community raised 22. If we 01:31:23
could raise 22,500, they could start that program up and keep those kids at school, after school and. 01:31:30
That's the goal, and we're about halfway to that goal. Wow, awesome. 01:31:38
OK. 01:31:42
OK. Update on the community renewable Energy Agency we have. 01:31:46
Tried and tried to get the filing before the Public Service Commission and we are very pleased. 01:31:52
That Rocky Mountain Power and the agency have. 01:31:58
Agreed that it will be filed at least the bulk of it on the 21st of January, which is really exciting news. 01:32:03
It was supposed to have been done a year ago, so the fact that we're getting it done now is wonderful. Also, I'm working with 01:32:11
Churchill Junior High I. 01:32:16
On their safe walking route for the Churchill kids who walk from the. 01:32:23
South side of 45th, South somehow getting them across 45th and across the bridge, the pedestrian bridge up to the school. So that 01:32:28
is an ongoing. 01:32:33
And ever so those are the things I've been working on. 01:32:40
Nothing from District 3 this time. 01:32:46
Just a couple of things, the tree committee is looking for more volunteers and members and so if you have anyone in your districts 01:32:50
or. 01:32:55
Connections that you have in the city that people that might want to be involved with the tree committee, please send them our 01:33:00
way. 01:33:02
And then last week I was invited by Miss Borman's 4th grade class at Crestview Elementary to come in and speak about city 01:33:06
government. 01:33:10
And it was really fun, they were. They were really well informed about how government works and the different levels of 01:33:15
government. 01:33:18
Had a lot of interesting questions and it was just fun to be with them and visit with them. 01:33:22
That's all. 01:33:28
So Sandy Meadows was our former Historical Commission chair and Despite that change to Kim Duffy, Sandy had a couple of little 01:33:34
projects that she was continuing to work on. One of them is this this 25th anniversary? I guess it's kind of a historical night, 01:33:42
but on the 18th of this month at 7:00 PM, that's where we'll have. 01:33:50
The the those that have served as mayors as well as. 01:33:59
City managers this that evening for kind of an open forum panel and just to reminisce, I think on these last 25 years of holiday. 01:34:03
And it was it's it's neat to have opened this time capsule we did earlier today too with respect to that too. It's just neat. 01:34:09
Aside from that, I just wanted I was talking I think with, I think it was council member Durham and and Quinn during our break and 01:34:15
and I've I've talked with Jared about this, but one thing that I think is just I put out there for all of my my council members to 01:34:20
consider. 01:34:26
There's a road so you'll notice that I 215 northbound when you get off on 33rd South and and go West, it just kind of it it it 01:34:33
bends and merges West on 45th South. It it did that for a time. And I've talked with Jared and it's AU dot road and I don't know. 01:34:41
He's he said that it's it's challenging to it kind of has to come from from U dot to to make this change. But I'd like each of you 01:34:48
just if, if you could make a mental note the next time you go southbound on I-215 getting off on 45th South. 01:34:55
And like I say, I don't know how long it was a couple of years maybe or something, but it was just winding where you didn't have 01:35:03
to come to complete stop traffic. Westbound on 45th South above that is usually not very busy. And it's just kind of in my mind a 01:35:08
needless stop because there's the shoulder is huge. I think there's plenty of room. They had it that way. I don't know why they 01:35:13
changed it back. I think that somebody from you dot. 01:35:17
Had said that maybe there was an accident or two. I'd love for Chief Oil, maybe if you could just look at that and see, but maybe 01:35:23
you thought would listen better if it was like a unanimous request of the count from from the City Council or something like that. 01:35:27
So I thought I'd just put that out there for you to try to get in front of EU dot Region 2 director on another issue. So maybe 01:35:32
we'll bring that one up too. OK, great. Kind of like how roundabouts are better than four way stops and that kind of thing. I 01:35:37
think it'd be nice. 01:35:42
The other thing I just I wanted to just mention on this Adu ordinance that we that we just. 01:35:48
Through those things and it's a, it's an enjoyable experience for me, I guess just to take part in that legislative process. So I 01:36:23
just want to express that. Thanks. And on that note, I wanted to also. 01:36:30
The home based business, I think I was out of town that when that ordinance passed, there's one issue that came up that I don't 01:36:37
know Gina, what would be the best way, but. 01:36:42
The opening hours of businesses, I think citywide we have an ordinance that I don't know if it's 7:00 or 8:00 AM or something to 01:36:49
that effect. And we do have some home based businesses. These are like musical music lessons and that kind of thing where with 01:36:54
kids, you know, and these are like some of the children that are like high achievers and whatever they're getting sometimes as 01:37:00
lessons as early as I think 5:00 in the morning. 01:37:05
And we have residents that want to be compliant with the law and could they maybe get away with it without, you know, perhaps, I 01:37:11
don't know, but I would rather have the law changed so that it's reasonable. And I guess that's one that I'd like to see us look 01:37:18
at as a City Council and, and see if we could. 01:37:24
Just make sure that there's no adverse impacts and, and, and perhaps look at a change in the law on that one just because I do 01:37:32
have one of our. 01:37:36
They're actually not in my district, but you have something that's made their requests. I think it's in Paul's district that that 01:37:40
I think would be worth looking at. That's my report. 01:37:44
OK. 01:37:51
I think I've talked enough. 01:37:54
Should we recess and take a little break and we'll move across the hall? Sounds good Mr. Mayor, move but we recessed. City Council 01:37:58
reconvene and work meeting across the hall in 5 minutes. 01:38:03
Second, all in favor aye for recess for a few minutes and then we'll start again. So what what are you doing with you dot? 01:38:08
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Ready. 00:00:03
OK. 00:00:04
Welcome everybody. 00:00:07
I am going to call to order the Holiday City Council meeting on Thursday, November 7th. 00:00:11
And if you could all rise, we'll start with a pledge. 00:00:17
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the. 00:00:24
And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:30
Thank you. Before we go to public comment, let me just say that we do have one public hearing tonight on the rezone at 5428 S and 00:00:42
Highland Drive. So if you're here to address the council on that rezone. 00:00:48
Application Please wait till we open up that public hearing. I also noticed that we have some in attendance from our esteemed 00:00:55
historical Commission here. That item is on in in the work session. So that will we won't be taking any public comment during the 00:01:02
work session. So if if you are here, if you'd like to make comment regarding the historic, the historical ordinance that we're 00:01:09
considering public comment would be the time to do that. 00:01:16
All right, OK. So with that we will open up public comment. We ask that you try to keep your well need your name and address and 00:01:24
if you keep your your comments to three minutes or less, it's very much appreciated. So other than the public hearing, public 00:01:31
comment is now open so. 00:01:37
Yeah, come on up. Give us your name and address, please. 00:01:46
Good evening. My name is Bob Atwell. I reside at 4897 Rebecca Circle. 00:01:51
Start with a couple of basic facts that I've uncovered and discovered through some research. My understanding is that about 2020 00:01:58
City Council approved a storm drain fee. 00:02:04
In a property tax increase to pay for an $18 million bond for public service works. 00:02:12
Of which 10 million was designated for storm drain improvements. 00:02:20
Recently there was a storm drain improvement that began around Kings Row and flowed up all the way to I think you pronounced it 00:02:26
Green is the name of the street, which was about a $1.5 million project. 00:02:33
Next online is an understanding. I think it's the nickname of the project is the Jungle. 00:02:42
And this is a project again for storm drain rehabilitation. If you cross kings row in 1300 E where dead ends, you will see Salt 00:02:48
Lake City property and they call that the jungle. There have been a number of reports that I've reviewed provided by engineers 00:02:58
that the city hired and also members of the city's engineering team. And the reports are reasonably detailed, but I would. 00:03:08
To you that this project is a replacement of stormwater pipeline and necessary to enhance the resilience and reliability of storm 00:03:18
water management system to protect public safety during heavy rainfall events. That to me is one of the reasons why you would 00:03:24
have. 00:03:30
Agreed to an $18 million bond. You know that there's a problem and this was written in 2020. My wife and I have incurred 2. 00:03:37
Flood incursions, infiltrations in our home subsequent to this area. 00:03:48
Part of our reimbursement has been through our insurance companies. They've been very active in providing us with reimbursement. 00:03:54
Another problem is though that because there have been 2. 00:04:00
Of these infiltrations, my insurance companies have canceled my insurance. 00:04:07
So I'm now out looking for insurance. I will find that I have spent 50 years in the business. 00:04:13
With General Rhee as an underwriter and Marcy McLennan is a managing director, so I'm sure I will get that covered. But it's a 00:04:20
nuisance to have to do that on the basis that there is a known liability risk that the city is certainly right now managing and 00:04:27
handling through projects. One of the issues that I have that I will share with you tonight is that to protect my home, I have 00:04:35
gone forward and hired a group called. 00:04:42
Davenport Foundation. They have come to prepare a rather extensive internal project which cost me out of pocket. 00:04:50
All in around $50,000. 00:05:00
What I am seeking tonight is just to let you know that next week I will be filing a claim against the city to have reimbursements 00:05:03
for those dollars that I've had to put out of pocket. 00:05:10
In a case where the city knew that there was a problem. 00:05:19
Your supervisors had been to our house they wanted to map. They shared with my contractor in Davenport. They knew there was a 00:05:23
problem and they were unable yet to fix it. The issue in the jungle is that no storm water can move forward out of my 00:05:29
neighborhood. I and about seven other residents all in a row have had storm water problems for the last two and a half, three 00:05:35
years. 00:05:41
So I will close my remark by again thanking you for the time to come and visit and share my thoughts. I know that you believe this 00:05:49
is a serious issue. You would not have bonded in $18 million infrastructure project, ten of which is designated to storm drains. 00:05:57
On the other hand, because you do know how serious the issue is as a resident and a taxpayer, I believe that the city should also 00:06:06
feel compelled to deal with some of the expenses where they could not mitigate these risks earlier, minimize the risk to your 00:06:14
taxpayers and your residents. So I will close with that and I thank you very much for your time this evening. Thank you. 00:06:21
That will be a hard act to follow. 00:06:41
Kim Duffy. 00:06:45
2195 E Walker Lane. 00:06:47
And I'm making these comments either as a citizen or as a chair of the historic Commission. You can. 00:06:50
Decide on a sentence by sentence basis. 00:06:57
How you'd like to understand it? So I've read the development review for the historic site designation. 00:07:01
I read it twice to see if I could find mention of the historical commissions role. 00:07:06
There is not a mention of the Historical Commission, so I reached out to a few historic commissioners. 00:07:11
From a consortium that I initiated a year ago. These include commissioners from. 00:07:18
Provo, Park City, Brighton, Draper, Cottonwood Heights, Sandy, Taylorsville, Murray, Mill Creek, Farmington and Holiday and we've 00:07:24
we've met and. 00:07:29
Exchanged emails and asked questions of one another. So I asked them about their preservation ordinances and their historic 00:07:38
commissioners roles. I didn't discuss our. 00:07:44
Draft of ordinances. 00:07:51
So you could say that comparing one city to another is pointless, but you could also say that one city could learn from another. 00:07:53
Successes and failures. 00:07:57
These commissioners comments are from cities which are roughly the size of holiday. 00:08:02
One city maintains an historic sites list as our ordinance is described, but their list is designated, prepared and maintained by 00:08:07
their Commission. 00:08:12
Owners may obtain an historic site certificate from the Historic Preservation Commission. 00:08:19
Any application for a building permit pertaining to an historic resource designated on the register shall be forwarded by the 00:08:24
Zoning Administrator, Zoning Administrator to the Historic Preservation Commission for determination prior to the issuance of the 00:08:30
requested permit. 00:08:35
Another city's ordinances state that their historic committee shall conduct or cause to be conducted a survey of the historic, 00:08:42
architectural, and archaeological resources that are normally evaluated by professionals. But if that discipline is not 00:08:49
represented on the committee, the committee shall seek expertise in that area before rendering its decision so that the committee 00:08:55
is making the decision. 00:09:02
The committee shall act in an advisory role to other officials and government departments regarding the identification and 00:09:09
protection of local historic resources. 00:09:14
The committee may designate historic properties in the city to the Historic Site Register. The committee will review and consider 00:09:19
properly submitted nominations to the City's Historic Site Register. 00:09:26
Owners of officially designated historic sites may obtain an Historic Site certificate from their historical committee. 00:09:33
Proposed exterior work on the register structures requiring a building permit is subject to the committee's prior review. 00:09:41
I attended a meeting of the Cottonwood Heights Historic Commission about a month ago. They voted on a letter their chair had 00:09:50
drafted to the city giving their opinion on the demolition of the old mill. 00:09:55
Outlining various scenarios and giving their advice on them. I asked the chair afterwards if they were allowed to write a letter 00:10:01
like this to their City Council and he said absolutely. 00:10:06
I don't feel like we're allowed to do that, but maybe that's a question for another day. 00:10:12
Another city goes further and these are lessons that we could learn from the year long exercise with the Brinton House. 00:10:18
A2 story intact. Adobe house. 00:10:25
Built 14 years after the Civil War ended, that was demolished and the land still sit sits empty. 00:10:28
The city I mentioned above said properties designated to the city's historic Landmark Register. 00:10:35
May receive special consideration in granting of zoning variances or conditional use permits in order to encourage their 00:10:42
preservation. 00:10:46
Their local building officials. Officials were will consider waiving certain code requirements that deal with historic buildings. 00:10:52
Owners of structures on the city's Historic Landmark Register may seek assistance from the committee in applying for grants or tax 00:10:59
credits for rehabbing their projects. Proposed modifications to any structure on the city's historic register requires prior 00:11:06
review of their historic committee and the prior approval of the city's planning. 00:11:14
Committee. So it sounds to me like they're working together. 00:11:21
This is what we aspire to when we found out that the most important historical resource in our city was destined for demolition. 00:11:26
Of course, we found out after the demolition was a fait accompli and we naively tried everything we could do to save it. We were 00:11:34
interviewed in the Tribune and on the local TV news. A petition circulated that got 600 plus signatures. 00:11:41
Pleading to save. 00:11:49
The building. 00:11:52
We look for someone to write a nomination for the National Register, confident that it would pass so that developers could apply 00:11:54
for tax credits. We engaged an architect who has done dozens of adaptive reuse projects to meet with the owners of the building. 00:12:02
Excuse me? 00:12:10
The architect drew rough plans for the land use. 00:12:15
Their project manager. 00:12:18
Thought were superior to their own plans, and he also drew plans to adapt the historic building into two condos. 00:12:21
But this plan would require some special consideration of zoning variants like the ones noted above. 00:12:28
One resident made some suggestions for zoning changes, which we gave to a council member. The owners of the property said they 00:12:34
liked the suggestions and were willing to work with the city to envision zoning variance to save the historic property. But we 00:12:39
never heard back from the council or from the city about the ideas. We didn't know how to get the two sides together, so this idea 00:12:45
went nowhere. 00:12:50
I understand private property rights, but this owner seemed genuinely interested in finding a way to save this building and making 00:12:57
his project pencil in, as he called it. 00:13:02
We're not developers, we're not attorneys. We don't know how to write ordinances. I barely know how to read them, which I've been 00:13:08
doing for the last few days. We need a communication with the city to find solutions. And we don't know what this looks like, but 00:13:13
I think. 00:13:17
You do. We were told in a meeting that an historic commissioner in another city somewhere in Utah walked up to a door and told the 00:13:22
homeowner that he had the authority to come in and look at their house. 00:13:29
Something we would of course, never do. 00:13:36
The city could have been sued and this person said, and therefore our Commission shouldn't have any authority or Holiday may be 00:13:38
sued. As I recall in this anarchy, the city was not sued. 00:13:44
So as a result of this knucklehead commissioner in some other city, not holiday, and for doubtless other reasons I don't 00:13:50
understand, we have none of the roles I've described. 00:13:55
From other cities. 00:14:00
I've lived in Holiday for 36 years since becoming active in the Historic Commission. I care more about this city than I ever have. 00:14:02
I watched the work of the mayor, the council and the staff, the work that they go to making a city and I appreciate their work 00:14:13
more than ever. I see the need for more and denser housing. I do. 00:14:20
But that doesn't always have to come at the expense of our irreplaceable historic resources like the Brinton House. We could work 00:14:27
together. I know we're not elected officials, but honestly, we meet with hundreds of residents who would like to see a blend of 00:14:33
old and new in holiday. With our eyes always on historic properties, we can bring ideas forward, work with the city to find 00:14:39
creative allowances so that developers projects can pencil in. 00:14:45
While maintaining a part of the charm of holiday. I believe a majority of our residents want that. Thank you. 00:14:52
Thanks, Kim. 00:15:01
This will be easier than all of that just I'm treating from the library. I first just want to thank this community that came out 00:15:11
on on Tuesday. Whether you are happy about the results or sad about the results, it was truly inspiring to see the number of 00:15:19
people that came to vote. The engagement in the community was amazing and they stood patiently and in sometimes a considerable 00:15:26
line and we're polite and wonderful. It was it was wonderful and a special shout out. 00:15:33
Those who came back the next day and gave blood because wow. 00:15:41
We'll be having another blood drive on the 16th of December. On Saturday we're having a tree talk in partnership with the tree 00:15:45
committee. That'll be at 10:30. And I'm not sure what they're talking about, something about trees. 00:15:50
And then we're going to be closed on the 11th for veteran's day, and then we'll have all of the usual story times, chess clubs, 00:15:58
all that stuff. 00:16:01
If you have a teen or tween that loves reptiles, we will have some reptiles on the 21st at Teen Time. 00:16:05
Right now we have a comfort drive, a holiday comfort drive box and soon to come we will have an Angel Tree. I'm just always 00:16:13
impressed with the generosity of the community, the amount of things that they're willing to to help their neighbors with. 00:16:19
And then in getting ready for the holidays, we will be closing early on Wednesday the 27th of November. We'll close at 6:00 00:16:26
instead of nine so that we can go home and cook, I guess. And then Thursday and Friday the 28th and 29th, we will be closed for 00:16:34
Thanksgiving. And then to get ready for the next set of holidays, we're going to have some Nutcracker things on December 11th. 00:16:41
We'll have some dancers there at 6:00 PM to do some Nutcracker Suite. And then if you want to participate in some Nutcracker. 00:16:49
And you're a very little person, or have a very little person. We're going to have a Nutcracker event on the 17th at 10:15 where 00:16:56
you can participate. 00:17:01
And that's what's going on at the library right now. Anybody have any questions, comments, anything for Trudy, anything for me? 00:17:06
Thank you. All right. Thanks, Trudy. Thanks. Appreciate it. 00:17:14
Ron Hilton, 2394 Murray Holiday Rd. 00:17:31
I'm here to support what Kim Duffy just said. I'm a volunteer on the historic Commission, not a, not a. 00:17:35
Appointed member, but I've been working with the Commission for for several years and I'm passionate about preservation. 00:17:43
At the last Commission meeting. 00:17:51
Ty gave us a copy, an advanced copy of the preservation ordinance, and invited us to submit comments on it. So I did submit a 00:17:54
comment. I. 00:17:59
But in looking at the. 00:18:07
The document this evening I don't see. 00:18:10
My comment reflected. I don't know if that means. I'm not sure what that means. Anyway, I wanted to make sure that the comment got 00:18:15
through. 00:18:18
And basically this is what it is. 00:18:22
It's kind of a minor point, but could be important. 00:18:25
Umm so it talks about non complying conditional uses. 00:18:29
And it says zone requirements. The application meets all the requirements of the base zone in which the property is located. 00:18:35
And then the wording that I would add, I put on my comments was to say, with exceptions, as may be allowed under section 1386, 00:18:44
sixty of this title. 00:18:51
And that that section. 00:18:58
Is the additional uses for historic sites and has all these lists of things that says. 00:19:02
The Planning Commission may approve any of the following uses for a historic site in addition to the permitted and conditional 00:19:08
uses allowed in the zone in which the site is located, So. 00:19:13
The one kind of conflicts with the other says here's all these extra things you can do, but then it says it must. 00:19:20
No. So Ron, you're saying those two points are not adequately connected? Yeah. So I'm just saying to clarify. 00:19:26
Clarify that. 00:19:35
Those exceptions allow you to go beyond the base zone. So anyway, I circled it in red here and I'll just leave a copy for you. 00:19:38
I'll have one other comment later during the public hearing because it's actually. 00:19:47
Related to this, but I'll save that for later. 00:19:50
There's not another public hearing about this, right? You mean the public hearing for the rezone? Yeah. OK. Got it. OK. 00:19:54
Anybody else for public comment? 00:20:07
OK, there B none. We'll close public comment and move to item number 4. This is a public hearing on a proposed rezone of 5428 S 00:20:13
Highland Drive from R11-21 residential single family to R210 residential two family. 00:20:20
Umm, do we have the applicant here and? 00:20:28
OK, her husband. Thanks for coming. 00:20:35
OK. 00:20:38
So this rezoned is in the packet. It's pretty straightforward based on what we saw from staff and Planning Commission minutes and 00:20:41
notes. So we will start with Kerry Marsh, who is going to review the staff report with council. And then we'll, if the applicant 00:20:47
would like to address the council will ask you up and then we'll move move to move towards opening up the public hearing. So 00:20:52
Carrie, let's start with you. 00:20:58
All right, we can start right in on this somewhat complicated map. 00:21:09
Essentially this is an existing property that is total size is just under an acre. 00:21:14
The applicant the history of the property is that it was originally 2 parcels. The owner of one property on Baywood bought the one 00:21:24
on Highland or vice versa and then combined them into a single parcel. So the existing owner purchased that full almost acre 00:21:33
parcel and wants to put them back into two parcels because the acreage is not high enough to have two half acre lots. 00:21:42
The proposal is to rezone the front half where that. 00:21:52
Dividing line between the two properties would be that. 00:21:56
That parcel is .443 acres, so it's just under a half acre. The access for that would be on Highland Drive and then the house 00:22:02
that's accessed from Baywood would be completely separate and only accessed on Baywood. So 2 separate access points because they 00:22:08
would have separate ownership between the two parcels. 00:22:15
The proposed zone R210 that was based off of the Highland Dr. master plan and you can see on the map. 00:22:23
Around there, there across the street is the, I think that's the Greek Orthodox Church. And then there's neighborhood Commercial 00:22:32
directly to the north, C1 to the South. And then on the same side of the street, R18 is just above the subject property. And then 00:22:40
you've got a lot of these kind of larger properties that are tied into Lakewood Drive. 00:22:48
And then further down on the corner is a room zone and. 00:22:57
The general plan identifies the area in the Lakewood Drive and Baywood area as low density residential and protected. So that's 00:23:03
why that is then retains 1/2 acre parcel and half acre zoning R121 and then in line with the Highland Dr. master plan is where the 00:23:12
R210 zone was proposed and then outline some of the goals in our general plan with moderate income housing. 00:23:22
Preservation of open space when you can attach to. 00:23:32
Structures or two dwelling units into one structure. So that's the basis of why that R210 zone was selected. 00:23:35
Any questions from the Council on? 00:23:46
This application. 00:23:50
I don't, I don't. Well, I'm going to have one question, but some of the concern we had coming from the neighborhood was initially 00:23:53
and I stated this, you know, in the work meeting was. 00:23:59
Traffic penetrating Lakewood onto Baywood and when that issue was clarified in terms of retaining the R121 zone on the single 00:24:05
family home that enters off of Baywood, that issue was resolved for me because it's not going to increase traffic inside of the 00:24:11
neighborhood and keep that zoning in place. 00:24:17
So the only the only increase in traffic potentially would be off of Highland Drive on the parcel that will be rezoned to R28. 00:24:23
We did have some comment from public comment from Joan Wolfe, who lives in that neighborhood. 00:24:33
About increasing the traffic, I'm not. 00:24:38
Overly concerned about that on Highland Drive. The only question I would have is. 00:24:41
I know this is driven by the HDMP. 00:24:49
Was there any discussion in Planning Commission about jumping zones and going from an R21 to an R28 rather than the R18 which are 00:24:54
the zones to the north on the two subdivisions are R18 zone? 00:25:01
And this has gone from and I get that we're splitting the lot. 00:25:08
But why wouldn't they go to R18? Why? Why go to R28? So R210, I'm sorry, R210 and it's just based off of the HDMP stating 5 units 00:25:14
per acre for that segment. 00:25:22
That ends up being 2 1/2 units for the OR let's see 2 1/2 units for the for half acre. So it's just under half acre. 00:25:33
Potential then of three units, that basis was with the. 00:25:46
Statement in the Highland rate master plan that. 00:25:53
Oh, I have it outlined in here that. 00:25:57
Sorry. So while you're looking at that for those that are here, the way I read the staff report and you can keep thumbing through 00:26:03
that, but if it does go to R210, sorry about that reference to R28, it would allow for. 00:26:10
Three maximum units regardless of whether they did single family detached or they decided to do 1 detached and a 10,000 foot dual, 00:26:19
the maximum is three that could fit on that .443 acres, yes, and that doesn't take into account any access that would have to be 00:26:29
taken out of that. So that could be pulled down to 2 units just depending on if they want to do single family or attached if they. 00:26:38
The attached it would still likely workout to three. 00:26:48
The Highland Dr. master plan statement is that infill opportunities are limited and then open spaces and energy resources are 00:26:53
diminishing. So allowing for an attached unit where you can have two units in a structure would enable the applicant either keep 00:26:59
the existing unit, put two dwelling units in it. 00:27:06
Builded separate detached unit with larger setbacks than you'd have for in like an R1 zone where you could now build an accessory 00:27:13
structure, possibly as an Adu. So kind of a balance between setbacks and being able to incentivize keeping the existing house on 00:27:21
there. When you have smaller set backs, you can kind of push things further away. 00:27:28
So looking at it on a larger planning rational. 00:27:36
Thank you. 00:27:40
Anything else for Carrie? Just to confirm that the West lot remains R121 and it's not non complying at that point, it remains 00:27:43
compliant, right? Yep. It would stay in the protected zone and have the full half acres. 00:27:52
And then access only from Baywood on that that property, right? 00:28:02
OK. Thanks, Carrie. And she'll be available if we have questions once we hear public comment as well. We'll get there. 00:28:07
Did you want to address the Council? Come on up. 00:28:13
My name is John Wooley, I currently live at 4010 S Cumberland Dr. Our prior residence was the 5428 S Highland Dr. First of all, 00:28:21
thank you to Carrie and the other staff and guiding us through the process and helping prepare the reports. And thank you so much 00:28:30
to all of you for your involvement in city government and for being here tonight. 00:28:39
We are applying for the rezone to the front half of the property at 5428 S Highland Drive. 00:28:48
To bring it in compliance into compliance with the Highland Dr. master plan. 00:28:55
As we talked about, the property has two complete separate single family residences, 1 towards Baywood Dr. 1 towards Highland 00:29:00
Drive. 00:29:04
As was mentioned roughly a decade ago, the prior owners purchased the east lot and then combined it into a single lot. 00:29:10
We don't know why, but the main thing that we would like to do is just undo that consolidation, bring it back to the original, the 00:29:20
original 2 lots with the purpose that we can sell the house on Baywood Dr. since we no longer live there, but keep the house on 00:29:29
Highland Drive. The house on Highland Drive is a beautiful, well preserved 1920 Arts and Crafts style. 00:29:39
Home, into which we have put significant resources into restoring it. 00:29:49
And so that's the main reason we want to split the lot so that we can keep that house since we've put quite a bit of effort into 00:29:53
restoring it. I. 00:29:58
Just to be very clear, we are not proposing any new development or changes to the use of this property. 00:30:05
That's it. I'd be happy to answer any questions from the Council or any others. 00:30:13
Any questions? 00:30:20
OK, let me go ahead. 00:30:23
So. 00:30:25
But what's with the R210 then if there's not any redevelopment plan versus just being an R110 because R110 would work or because 00:30:27
it's there's only a single residence on it? 00:30:32
We were just advised to do that zoning in order to be in compliance with the master plan. 00:30:38
OK. 00:30:44
Thank you. Thank you. We might call you back up if there's any questions. 00:30:47
OK, as I mentioned prior, we do have an e-mail. 00:30:52
From Joan Wolfe, who lives on Baywood. I'm not sure. I don't know if I got her exact address, but I know her and I know where she 00:30:57
lives. 00:31:02
Anyway, she she her concerns summarized would be that she she would mostly be concerned about the traffic that would be generated 00:31:09
on Highland Drive if it were redeveloped. R28 it would basically go from potentially having one home to potentially having three 00:31:18
dwelling units, whether they be detached or one would be executed on a 10,000 foot lot like a twin home. 00:31:27
So we'll put that on the record and with that, we'll open up public comment. I'll just remind everybody again, please try to keep 00:31:37
it to 3 minutes or less and give us your name and address. I. 00:31:42
A lot of times people are expecting a back and forth with the council. That's really not what we do. We're here to listen to what 00:31:48
input you have. If a council member feels inclined to comment or clarifying something, they certainly can do that. But we 00:31:54
typically don't get into a back and forth exchange. But public comments open. So come on up and let us know your thoughts, anybody 00:31:59
that's here for that. 00:32:05
You're all looking at each other like, who's going to go first? 00:32:12
Ron Hilton, 2394 Murray Holiday Rd. 00:32:22
Said I was coming up, so here I am. So I I'm very sympathetic to this application. It's very similar to my own application several 00:32:26
years ago. 00:32:31
Where we live in a small historic home on Murray Holiday Rd. At the time it was in the. 00:32:37
Medium density district. 00:32:46
Which allowed for rezones and so we applied for an R210 rezone just like this one as you may recall ultimately that was denied I'm 00:32:49
not going to say that was wrong you know we're trying to make the best of it I. 00:32:55
And then after that, the city actually amended the general plan to carve our property out of the medium density zone, I guess just 00:33:03
to make sure we wouldn't come back and try and do it again. So, but you know, we moved ahead, we're moving forward. 00:33:10
But this one caught my eye because those similarities and the historic nature of the home and it sounds like the applicant has put 00:33:19
some resources and you know, is passionate about restoring that and maintaining that, which is great. 00:33:26
But what you know, what we've seen is. 00:33:34
You know, they feel that way and then they sell it to somebody else and. 00:33:37
You know it's. 00:33:41
Becomes like the Brenton mansion, so. 00:33:43
With this. 00:33:47
Preservation ordinance you're considering, it gives another alternative to rezoning and that was what I was talking about earlier. 00:33:49
The other possible uses including. 00:33:56
Dwelling single 234 multifamily up to a maximum of 16 units per acre. Now obviously in this case you wouldn't go all the way to 00:34:03
16, but this would give the flexibility to you know, to add those units and at the same time. 00:34:12
Would preserve the historic building SO2 for one SO. 00:34:22
Anyway, I think, you know, I'm not against a rezone. Like I said, I tried to do the same thing myself. I do think that R18 would 00:34:29
probably be more appropriate. That's 5 units per acre. That's what the what the. 00:34:36
Highland Dr. master plan calls for, you know, our 210 is 8 units per acre. So it's a little more, but I understand, you know, if 00:34:43
you're trying to get to 3 units, you probably need the the R210. But anyway, I just want to say what you're going to be talking 00:34:50
about later could be another possibly better answer to, to what they're looking to do. 00:34:57
Without a rezone. 00:35:04
Thank you. Thank you. 00:35:06
See a lot of people out there. 00:35:13
Don't be shy, Martha. 00:35:16
You were raising your hand. 00:35:18
Come on out. Come on up. Can you come? 00:35:23
OK, at least tell us your name and address. 00:35:27
I also lived in the breaking house. 00:35:37
So there's two persons. 00:35:54
And they want to rezone. 00:35:57
So when you talk about units, are you talking about? 00:36:01
Dwellings. 00:36:07
Single family dwellings, our M zone would be multifamily. They're not applying for RM. 00:36:09
The West parcel? Yes it does. 00:36:19
It's the one that's already there by Clark's, just north of Clark's house. 00:36:27
No change there. 00:36:32
All right. 00:36:39
Yeah, I think, I mean my own opinion is when that issue, that particular issue is clarified that. 00:36:40
The single family home on the West that's in R21 was going to stay in our 21 1/2 acre lot with its private, basically private road 00:36:47
entrance. It alleviated a lot of concerns that the neighbors had about this particular rezone. It wasn't. Yeah, there were rumors 00:36:54
circulating that weren't true. And when the staff report came out, it kind of clarified that. So. 00:37:01
OK. 00:37:09
Anybody else before I Are you coming, Bob? 00:37:11
OK. 00:37:15
City Council, my name is Bob Grogan. I'm at 1891 Baywood, so just. 00:37:19
One house down from the excess property to the West. 00:37:25
Nice to see you. 00:37:31
I appreciate his perspective in their point on not. 00:37:33
Doing it or adding the multiple units in there and restoring what they're doing up front? My only concern or comment I guess would 00:37:39
be to say. 00:37:43
Going back to what was just stated a little bit earlier, if you make the change to the zoning. 00:37:48
Without any necessarily, you know, change what you're looking at if it gets sold down the road. 00:37:54
That it opens up. 00:38:03
For the Master Highland Dr. master property, they would be able to re or add additional properties in there, correct? That's true. 00:38:07
Or as if it's kept the same as it is now or referred to as a historical. 00:38:15
Respectively be kept within. 00:38:23
The boundaries of what that zoning requirement would be correct. 00:38:26
That goes to a historical one, I guess you know, or if it stays where it is, obviously it stays where it is, a single home 00:38:32
dwelling. 00:38:35
So that would be my only comment on it. If you go to put that into play that that brings that into the future. 00:38:39
Ability for someone else? 00:38:48
To redevelop it. 00:38:50
On the property at that point. So thank you. That was my only comment. Thanks Pop. 00:38:52
OK. 00:39:06
If there's no other public comment, what? 00:39:09
We'll close this public hearing and I, we will be, we'll probably have a short discussion on this during the work session for 00:39:14
those that would like to stick around for that. 00:39:19
And I would anticipate that this will be on the agenda on November 21st for vote. 00:39:27
OK. Thank you. We are going to move on to item number 5. Right now we've got three items to cover. We're going to have just kind 00:39:36
of a brief. 00:39:40
Review of the Rebel Marathon and half marathon, I think Darryl Phippen and then that'll and then we'll bring up the UFA and UPD 00:39:45
liaisons. 00:39:50
And we won't be offended if people are leaving. 00:39:55
I'll take a smaller graph. 00:40:07
Darrell Phippen with Brooke See, we are the producers of the Revel Big Cottonwood Marathon and Half Marathon. Mayor Dolly, City 00:40:10
Council, I came before you about two years ago to get your approval to change the route from coming down Big Cottonwood Canyon and 00:40:17
stain and Cottonwood Heights to make a loop through your beautiful city, which you approved. And I wanted to give you an update on 00:40:23
how it has gone over the last two years. 00:40:30
Really quickly, I appreciate all the help of Gina and Chief Hoyle with UPD in helping us design a route to spotlight your 00:40:37
beautiful city but minimize the impact on your residents. On that second Saturday each September in 2022, before we change the 00:40:44
route, we had 4100 runners participate in the event. When we change the course, there was a lot of excitement and our numbers 00:40:51
jumped to just under 4900. 00:40:58
And with 35% of those folks coming from out of the state and coming to see your beautiful city, and out of those, 25% of them use 00:41:06
the Big Cottonwood Marathon to go and run the Boston Marathon. The following April, the race that was just completed two months 00:41:14
ago, the number jumped again to 5100 people. 00:41:22
With the numbers of the runners using it for. 00:41:31
The Boston Marathon qualifying time roughly the same. We'd like to also report that in that same time the majority of the hotels 00:41:35
that are runners stay at and that we encourage runners to stay at our within your city boundaries. And they have increased 50% by 00:41:42
2022. And also the numbers of residents of holiday that have run the race has also increased by 50% since 2022 as well. So I 00:41:49
appreciate. 00:41:57
The work of Gina, she and I talk after each year. I think there were a few growing pains with it being a first year one with not 00:42:04
only Gina but Chief Hoyle and all the officers that work the event on that Saturday. And I think it went smooth the first year, 00:42:12
but it went even smoother this second year. So I appreciate you letting this race come through your beautiful city and for the 00:42:19
support of you and just really wanted to come here. 00:42:26
Really just to say thank you for allowing us to continue to bring runners from all 50 states. 00:42:35
Across the United States to run this race. So just wanted to say thank you. 00:42:40
Thank you so much. Thanks for taking the time. And I know it was a lot of work for Chief Oil Gina as well, but I think Chief Hoyle 00:42:46
got the brunt of it. I don't know how many, how many officers we had to bring on for traffic control. 00:42:52
90 and yeah, and then I think you get stuck with the Salt Lake Marathon too, don't you? 00:42:59
Hey, Chief Mazarin, we got a, we got to lighten his load a little bit. 00:43:06
Anyway, I know it's a lot of work, it's on a Saturday, a lot. It takes a lot of coordination. And so we appreciate you coming in, 00:43:11
your kind comments. But also, Chief Chief Hoyle, thanks again for all you do. And Gina and the staff are accommodating. They've 00:43:17
been incredible to work with. So they always are. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. 00:43:24
OK. We are going to move on to a UFA update. This is the quarterly kind of push a little bit. We've got Captain Dan Brown here 00:43:32
today to kind of go through some numbers with us and tell us what's happening with UFA. Sure. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you, Council 00:43:36
for having me. 00:43:40
So this be from quarter three, July 1st through September 30th. And is that your bicep there? You know, I don't know if that is or 00:43:45
not. That looks like it. That person looks like they shave their arm. 00:43:51
So these numbers there's a couple that I'd like to point out. So we are getting a little bit busy. You can see that 77 calls more 00:44:02
in this quarter than the previous quarter. But the one thing I did want to point out on the ambulance response so that on the 00:44:08
incoming units. So those are those are the responses within the city of holidays. So you can see that the engine, you know medic 00:44:15
engine 10465 point or 65.8% of the calls and holiday. 00:44:21
Medic Engine 104 responds on and if you remember, on the map. 00:44:29
On priority one calls which are dispatched via the closest unit doesn't matter. So even if a Murray unit happens to be driving 00:44:33
through holiday and a priority one call, which would be immediate life threatening, you know, breathing problem, cardiac event, 00:44:40
they dispatched the closest unit via GPS on on the rig. So you can see Cottonwood Heights and 1:12 and 1:06. They all own a little 00:44:47
piece of holiday. So if there's a priority one in their area. 00:44:54
Then they go in and they're first in. So that's just an advantage of a shared service model. And if you look at the ambulance 00:45:02
responses, traditionally I. 00:45:05
That's usually only been about half that. So if you remember, and some of you might not know this in the past, Medic ambulance one 00:45:11
O 4 was what we call a peak load ambulance. So it would be, it would run from 9:00 to 9:00, nine in the morning to 9:00 PM. And 00:45:19
the 24 hour ambulance was located at station 106 in Mill Creek, which is on 1911 E and 3300 S We flip flop those so now. 00:45:27
One O 4 has a 24 hour ambulance and then the peak load is now at in Mill Creek. And the reason they did that was just the call 00:45:36
volume. Call volume is going up here. 00:45:41
And at night especially, there's a lot of calls on holiday at night, that's just how it is. So that that's flip flop, which is 00:45:46
good for the cities, the residents of holiday, so that that's doubled and. 00:45:52
It doesn't cost anything because an ambulance is what we call shared service. So even though you in the city get a higher level 00:46:00
service because ambulances are considered a shared service to at all, it's a, it's a budget neutral move. Now if you look at that 00:46:06
at at the other thing that the other thing we've switched is the top EMS calls is ALS, which is advanced, advanced life support, 00:46:12
which they've kind of grouped that all together because. 00:46:18
That would be anything super emergent again, it'd be a breathing problem, a seizure. 00:46:25
A cardiac event, but that would have populated all of those top EMS calls. So we're kind of just calling that advanced life 00:46:31
support at the top there. I don't know if you like that or not. That's that's kind of what they what they decided and then the 00:46:36
rest is kind of the same as we've seen before. But those were the highlights of this quarterly report that's different from the 00:46:41
last one. Does anybody have any questions on this slide? 00:46:46
OK. 00:46:53
The heat map we'll just go quickly from here and we'll go to the next one. This has not changed much you can keep going Stephanie. 00:46:56
The red spot is the is the care center, it's the rich care center and that will never change that will always that'll always look 00:47:02
like that unless unless we get some more care centers in here OK so one thing I wanted to highlight is this is our urban search 00:47:09
and rescue team so. 00:47:15
Unified Fire Authority is a sponsoring agency for a FEMA. 00:47:21
Urban Search and Rescue team, I'll call my us, our team from here on out, which they're located in West Jordan, our logistics 00:47:26
center and we sent. 00:47:30
80 people to hurricanes Milton and and Helene. So on September 27th, let's see, I think it was September 27th. 00:47:35
We start off with 45 personnel and it's made-up of UFA, Salt Lake City, Ogden, Park City Fire, South Jordan, West Valley, West 00:47:45
Jordan and civilians. We sent 45 at the beginning and and 22 were from UFA. We always have, we always have the brunt as as we're 00:47:52
the largest agency, but what makes it important is. 00:47:59
You know, these this use our team, I don't know if anybody's ever seen it, but they have a whole warehouse in our logistics center 00:48:07
and they've got about $5,000,000 worth of equipment. That's all purchased by the federal government that UFA has access to. 00:48:14
In fact, and this is not a, it's kind of a sad subject, but last night as everybody saw, saw the house explode in South Jordan, 00:48:22
they actually brought in a a usar dog to help, to help locate the victim last night in South Jordan. So you have access to all of 00:48:27
that equipment and training. 00:48:32
Once you do it once, you're a lot more proficient than if you've ever done in training once you do it once in real life. So the 00:49:08
experience that you get from a deployment like this and then those people bring it back here and then they work here in in our 00:49:14
city and in our running district. That's invaluable, right? So at first they, like you said, they have 45, they went down, they 00:49:20
went to hurricane, they're doing search and rescue mostly in Tennessee and North Carolina. 00:49:27
Then Hurricane Milton's going to happen. So they were staged in Georgia. They they went up to 80 personnel. 00:49:33
About half from UFA and they ended up not going to Florida because Milton was not as difficult as they thought. So they were 00:49:39
staged and then they came home, but altogether they were gone from from. 00:49:45
September 27th and they came home October 12th. So they were gone, They were gone for a long time and they have all sorts of 00:49:53
specialized equipment and and at the same time it it does put a stress on people back here. I ended up having to work 8 days 00:49:57
straight, which is not normal. You know, usually you're two on four off. I ended up working 8 days straight because you know if 00:50:02
you have. 00:50:07
4540 people of our firefighters gone you know people have to work to fill seats back here. So but it's all it's all good that's 00:50:12
that's what everybody does and and we know that going in that if Argus, our team gets deployed that people have to step up and 00:50:18
even work back here so it it's just. 00:50:24
It's an invaluable experience. And I think there's a couple more pictures, Stephanie, that you can go, OK, you can, you can stop. 00:50:31
But does anybody have any questions about about the USAR deployment or how that works? Is that a FEMA funded deployment? 00:50:35
Everything, everything's FEMA funded from. 00:50:40
Everything from their training, from when they leave the door and until they come back, that's all FEMA funded. And then even the 00:50:46
backfill is FEMA funded, so. 00:50:50
The back remaining overtime from the folks who stayed Yep, Yep. Even the backfill is all is all is all funded by is by FEMA. So it 00:50:54
really doesn't cost the department anything to to do something like this. It's really it's a benefit. But the one thing you know 00:51:01
is that not that it's a bad thing, but you have to go right. That's the one thing we're a sponsoring agency. So as you know, 00:51:08
council member, father mayor, we the one thing that we've had trouble with the staffing, right. There's a lot of public safety. 00:51:14
There's, it doesn't matter if you're, if you're a sponsoring agency, if you use our task force when they call you, you have to go 00:51:21
and you have to have to figure it out. So luckily we were able to figure it out on the backside. We may need that someday. So 00:51:27
right, exactly, exactly. It is what it is. 00:51:33
It's good or not, but luckily it was after wildfire season is over because, you know, we deploy people. 00:51:39
Wildfire too, and that depletes resources. So luckily it's, you know, hurricane season is a little after that, but it is all 00:51:43
funded by the feds. 00:51:46
Would you pass on our things for all the people who did that and went and served other people? We appreciate that so much. And 00:51:50
we're grateful to be a part of this unified model where we are working to serve people outside of our immediate community and 00:51:55
shared resources. Yeah, of course, you know, and we're lucky, like I said, this is the only one in the state. I think California 00:52:01
made A5 search and rescue teams. There's 28 of them in the country and we're we're fortunate to have one of them. So. 00:52:07
How long, how long have we been one of these or had these sponsoring organizations? And then also how frequently are they getting 00:52:13
like the opportunity, like how, how often does it really come up? 00:52:18
I will have to look into how long we've had it. So I believe that we've had it for long time, long time. I can't remember not 00:52:25
having it and I've been on 18 years, so I think we've had the whole time. Now as far as getting deployed, they see this was 00:52:29
probably their most. 00:52:34
With deployment where they got the most work, they went up to the flooding in Colorado a few years ago. I don't know if you 00:52:41
remember about that, but they only went for, you know, I think they were only gone for four or five days. A lot of the times what 00:52:46
they do is they take the 28 teams and they rotate who's who's up first as far as going to get deployed. So it's kind of the luck 00:52:51
of the draw and a lot of times you get pre positioned so. 00:52:55
I feel like they might go deployed once every, you know, few years, 2-3 years, and then actually deploy for a couple weeks. I 00:53:02
can't remember the last time that's happened maybe. 00:53:08
Katrina, maybe? Or, you know, it just doesn't happen very much. 00:53:14
And the next. 00:53:21
Is a call that I wanted to talk about. 00:53:25
On October 24th and some of you probably heard about it and there was a house fire in holiday. 00:53:29
And. 00:53:36
It was an interesting fire because most people in house fires can. 00:53:37
Self evacuate, right? I mean, that's just, that's just how it is. And this one was a particularly hard one. And these pictures are 00:53:44
just to show you, you know, that was medication 104 pumping up at the top. And but there was a there, there was a victim trapped 00:53:50
and I just wanted to highlight that. 00:53:56
UFA and UPD as well. I don't know if you know about 5 UPD officers were treated four months at the hospital and were treated and 00:54:03
released and one UFA captain actually was injured and. 00:54:10
It just doesn't happen very much we're they had to they had to go in and that's Captain Chad Pate. He actually pulled the victim 00:54:18
out and and and hurt his back in the process. But it's just. 00:54:24
It was a tough call for the crews and not the outcome everybody wanted, but. 00:54:30
I just want to highlight it because the crews work hard and not just UFA but UPD and they put their lives on the line too. 00:54:36
You know, for all the citizens we serve so. 00:54:48
And you've probably heard about the fire, but I just wanted to. 00:54:51
Once again, I just wanted to say thank you. That's I feel like my district has just taken up a lot of time of UFA and UPD. I don't 00:54:55
know what we're doing. It doesn't like that before. I don't know what's, I don't know what I'm doing. But once again, we are just 00:55:01
incredibly grateful for the quick. 00:55:06
Response and the. 00:55:11
Just the amazing service that you all give day in and day out. 00:55:14
We're all very, very grateful. Thank you, Councillor. I'll make sure to pass that on. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions? 00:55:19
A brief comment about the two things you talked about that the use are and this particular event at the board meeting the some of 00:55:26
the folks who participated in deployment. 00:55:31
The two points I wanted to make was a they they really value the experience, professional experience they get from that sort of 00:55:38
opportunity. 00:55:42
And then? 00:55:48
But also that sort of opportunity, or rather that sort of work can be very stressful and difficult because you can imagine, you 00:55:50
know, searching vehicles that have been trapped under bridges and you don't know what you're going to find. And then of course, 00:55:57
this particular incident Holiday also had some trauma associated with it. But but that point I want to make is that UFA leadership 00:56:04
is has increased their investments fairly dramatically in behavioral health, mental health. 00:56:10
Debriefing resources because it's very difficult work, even though lots of it can be very professionally satisfying, it can be 00:56:19
very traumatic as well, and leadership recognizes that and has been investing in. 00:56:26
In behavioral health and mental health resources to help our officers. 00:56:34
Get through those sort of traumatic services. Thank you. Thank you, councilmember. I mean, I remember and, you know, before I was 00:56:40
a firefighter, I was in the Marine Corps. And then even 18 years ago, you were looked down upon if you even wanted to talk about 00:56:46
anything. And so I think it's it's been a great shift and I think the police have done it as well, that mental health is finally 00:56:51
becoming a priority. 00:56:56
Yeah, thanks. Thanks for that. And I know we had I think 4 police officers that ended up being treated on that incident as well. 00:57:03
Trying to go in and get that that Lady out of it was an unfortunate ending, but. 00:57:10
Great work by both UFA and UPD on that one. Thank you. 00:57:18
Thanks, Captain Brown. One quick comment from me. I really like the new dashboard format. OK, fantastic. All right, Well, I'll let 00:57:24
the feedback. Yeah, let's just get through that real quick. That's a nice segue into Upd's update, then. 00:57:30
And we're really pleased to have Chief Mazarin here. He's our fearless leader of Unified, done a lot of great work this last year. 00:57:38
I know I've already talked about it, but. 00:57:42
It was a heavy lift getting all the shared services into new temporary homes while we're making this transition. 00:57:46
And so, Mayor, I'd just point out Doctor Kennedy is here. I don't know if you'd like. 00:57:52
To pause. 00:57:58
Yeah. Well, let's go ahead and we'll do and then we'll. 00:58:00
Gone to trainings around the country and talked to other officers and you see and you hear them talk about in different, like 00:58:33
again, different parts of the country where they have adversarial relationships with their, their brothers and sisters in the fire 00:58:38
department. And I just truly great for every day for the relationship that we have with UFA and, and even the relate working 00:58:43
relationship that Dan and I have here. It's, it's a second to none and, and work very closely and very well on these types of 00:58:48
tragedies that come together. 00:58:53
And, and have, you know, obviously this one had a very tragic outcome, but there were a lot of good things in in our relationships 00:58:59
and getting things done for the community in that situation as well. So. 00:59:04
As we jump into this quarterly report, you'll see there's the call volume from the last three years. As we move through it, you 00:59:09
can see this year the blue line has kind of kept it about in the middle of 2022-2023. We're down quite a bit of calls this quarter 00:59:17
and we'll see that in the next slide from 2023 in in this current year. 00:59:25
As you move to the next slide there, oh, you're right on top of that, Stephanie, as always, you'll see overall. 00:59:34
This quarter we're down 117 cases from what we were in 2023, which is great to see the call volume and caseload going down. 00:59:40
Overall, it is very impressive as we look at the traffic cases moving in to this, this current year for those three months, those 00:59:47
the numbers 40 traffic cases 3838, that's pretty consistent monthly and and across the board and then you'll see our booking 00:59:54
arrests. 01:00:00
In July, August and September. 01:00:08
And then the citations that were issued here in the city. 01:00:10
The next slide, which is our response times for this city from priority ones, which are the most important. 01:00:14
We had July, August and September again, 4 minutes for a priority one call and two minutes in September. And then the priority two 01:00:22
and priority three you can see are a little bit longer response times. They're not as high of a priority, but still very important 01:00:27
calls to go on. 01:00:33
If I, I won't dive into each of these next slides, but each one of these next slides are broken out into your respective 01:00:41
respective council districts. So you can see the type of calls, how many calls we went on in your own districts for this this 01:00:45
quarter. 01:00:50
Then if you have any questions at the end, I'm happy to dive into those or answer those if you if you need. 01:00:57
And then lastly, for those three months, there's four cases that I want to highlight of note. 01:01:03
That I think are. 01:01:09
Are important that you guys understand and know the first one was August 23rd detectives saw near who is our mental health 01:01:11
detective here in the precinct had received complaints about an individual in in one of our apartment complexes that he was having 01:01:19
a mental breakdown was making some very serious terroristic threats threats of different improvised explosive devices and so he. 01:01:28
With mental health issues is very important and it's been paid off because he had a good relationship with him to where I had a 01:02:06
very successful and peaceful ending in that case. The next case that I wanted to touch on is on August 10th. 01:02:12
The newly formed East Side directed enforcement unit that we had formed with with the reorganization of UPD is a shared unit 01:02:19
between Mill Creek, Midvale and Holiday. That unit as part of an ongoing investigation with Homeland Security served a search 01:02:27
one-on-one of our homes along with the assistance of Unified Police SWAT team, K9 Holiday detectives in that DEU unit, they were 01:02:34
able to serve this warrant and arrest 3 individuals and inside there they were distributing anabolic steroids. 01:02:41
Methamphetamine, distributable amounts of bath salts as well inside that home. And so multiple arrests, multiple felonies were 01:02:49
charged in that search warrant. The next one, which is quite interesting was a case that started as a vehicle burglary in Sandy. 01:02:57
Our detectives got some information that maybe the suspects were at an address here in Holiday. They followed up with it and 01:03:04
recovered over $10,000 in stolen property, including an assistant Fire Chief from down South, all of his fire turn out. 01:03:11
As well, that was stolen, including other firearms, and ultimately it led to several police agencies getting involved in this case 01:03:19
and having cases that these guys had been on a crime spree throughout Salt Lake County. So that was a great one. 01:03:26
And then the last one I have to share is on the last slide here and you'll see the kind of fun photo that this gentleman posted of 01:03:33
our two detectives. But this, this just shows you the great work that our folks are doing every single day. 01:03:39
This gentleman that you see here, he posted this, this photo of his truck and our two detectives, but he came into the precinct to 01:03:46
report his Ford pickup truck stolen at about 2:00 in the afternoon and our detectives immediately started looking for that. They 01:03:54
were able to get a search warrant from Ford to track the location of it, tracked it within 3 hours to Salt Lake City, went over. 01:04:01
Unfortunately the truck was unoccupied, but we're able to recover it for him. This gentleman was super excited about it and I. 01:04:08
Think the the comment that he wrote at the bottoms kind of fun. You gonna read it? 01:04:16
Yeah, I've never any swear. And I'm, well, you know, I I'll, I'll, I'll be careful with my language here. These fellas delivered 01:04:22
in 12 hours. Darn proud of Holiday City Unified. You and at Ford Joyriders. Smoked some weed, ate some jack-in-the-box tacos, 01:04:29
drove about 15 miles, still in mint condition. 01:04:35
Knocking 5000 off the price today, 40,000 and she's yours. Anyway, great work by these detectives to get his truck back for him. 01:04:42
And again, I'm just darn proud of the detectives and the work that they're doing here in the city every single day. So with that, 01:04:48
if you're OK, I'd like to give Chief manager in a couple of minutes and and then if you have any questions for us, we're happy to 01:04:54
answer them. Thanks, Chief. Amen.