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They hope they created a number. | 00:00:00 | |
So they kind of took from the hate. | 00:00:03 | |
He's a good steak. | 00:00:12 | |
I should have thought about that, but I just wasn't prepared for that. | 00:00:22 | |
Right. So is like John David Rohr. Is he anymore? | 00:00:28 | |
So it's like Henderson Lane? | 00:00:40 | |
Down to ready. | 00:00:44 | |
Welcome everybody. We're going to call the holiday City Council meeting to order on February 6. | 00:00:48 | |
If I could ask everybody to please rise for the pledge. | 00:00:53 | |
The United States of America. | 00:01:03 | |
To the Republic for which it stands. | 00:01:05 | |
Our nation under God. | 00:01:08 | |
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. | 00:01:10 | |
Thank you everybody. | 00:01:16 | |
Before before we get to public comment, which is item 3 on the agenda. | 00:01:18 | |
I'd like to wish Stephanie a happy birthday. I hope she is not listening in on her. | 00:01:24 | |
If she is, then shame on her. | 00:01:30 | |
But also I just want to. | 00:01:35 | |
Recognize. | 00:01:38 | |
The passing of James Palmer. Jim Palmer. | 00:01:41 | |
A colleague of some of us on the Council. | 00:01:45 | |
But Jim Palmer. | 00:01:48 | |
His roots are go way back to the Moyle family and the Moyle family for those that don't know. | 00:01:51 | |
Who haven't been to one of our history nights? | 00:01:57 | |
Was one of the founding families of the holiday area going back to the. | 00:02:00 | |
Late 1800s, so Jim's roots are very deep in the community. | 00:02:06 | |
Jim served on our Planning Commission for six years and on our City Council for eight years. | 00:02:11 | |
And. | 00:02:17 | |
Really had a lot to do with shepherding holiday through the incorporation process and then. | 00:02:19 | |
A lot of the developments you see around the city. | 00:02:24 | |
Which include the Holiday Village which preserving this building right here, Holiday Elementary in this open space behind us. | 00:02:28 | |
Building of Fire Station 104. | 00:02:35 | |
Entitlements for the old Cottonwood Mall site, now Holiday Hills. | 00:02:38 | |
Preserving the Knutson Park open space that was later developed and also. | 00:02:42 | |
Helped with. | 00:02:47 | |
Us being able to acquire. | 00:02:49 | |
And preserve the cotton bottom as kind of a historical area in the city. | 00:02:51 | |
So Jim was only 66 years old, so way too soon. | 00:02:58 | |
But I just wanted to make sure everybody knows how. | 00:03:02 | |
How much his service was appreciated. | 00:03:06 | |
Joanie and I attended his funeral service. | 00:03:09 | |
On Sunday, and his family wanted to pass along their gratitude for. | 00:03:11 | |
The flowers that were sent from the city. | 00:03:16 | |
We'll have a memorial insert or a memorial article in the Journal in March, and I talked to Tom Harrelson as well. | 00:03:19 | |
This afternoon. Thanks, Lena. | 00:03:27 | |
And the journal will be also doing an article on. | 00:03:30 | |
Jim and his contributions to the City of Holiday, but we've. | 00:03:35 | |
Past our condolences on to. | 00:03:38 | |
His family and he will be missed, so rest in peace Jim. | 00:03:41 | |
OK, with that, we'll move on to public comment. | 00:03:48 | |
We do have one public hearing tonight on the text amendment to Title 13.02. Point 030 is item 5 on the agenda. | 00:03:52 | |
If you are here to address the Council. | 00:04:00 | |
During that particular public hearing. | 00:04:03 | |
Please wait until I open up that public hearing. So if you're not here to address the Council on the text amendment. | 00:04:06 | |
Public comment is your opportunity to address the Council, so we'll open up the public comment period at this point, please. | 00:04:14 | |
Approached the podium. | 00:04:21 | |
Give us your name and address please and try to keep it to 3 minutes or less. Thank you. | 00:04:23 | |
Trudy, do you want to start? You usually start everybody off. You show us how it's done. | 00:04:27 | |
Trudy, I'm from the library. | 00:04:34 | |
I want to start by saying I just barely got the statistics back from the county. | 00:04:37 | |
Election Office. | 00:04:41 | |
And we were able. | 00:04:43 | |
Way back on Election Day in November to have. | 00:04:44 | |
1568 voters through the library. | 00:04:47 | |
308 of those were same day registrations. It was a busy busy day and they did it all with just 15 machines and 8 poll workers. So. | 00:04:52 | |
Good job everybody. Thanks for coming to vote. | 00:05:00 | |
We've got two things that are system wide initiatives going on at the library for the month of February that are really awesome. | 00:05:03 | |
One of them is winter reading, so if you have some finds you can come get a winter reading log and you can get a $5 fine waiver. | 00:05:08 | |
So that's pretty good. And if you finish you get a free book. | 00:05:13 | |
And we also have the the formal wear swap going on. So if in a closet somewhere you have a suit or a tux or a big fancy dress, | 00:05:19 | |
that's not going to get used again. | 00:05:23 | |
You can bring that to the library and if you've got someone who is would like to just. | 00:05:28 | |
Is the Rite Aid that would like to swap out. Then if you donate, then you get a token to get into the swap a little bit early and | 00:05:32 | |
you get first pick. If you don't have something and you still need to get some formal wear, you can go in, there'll just be a | 00:05:38 | |
little delayed entry there. So it's sometime in March when you get to get get the token swap. So that's really good. But in the | 00:05:44 | |
month of February, if you bring your stuff just over to the holiday library, we'll get it all down to the swap for you. | 00:05:50 | |
And other than that, we've just got all of the same normal, wonderful things going on. We've got story times and teen times and. | 00:05:57 | |
Yoga and all the things going on. So come visit the library. | 00:06:04 | |
Do you have any questions? | 00:06:07 | |
Thank you for your time. Thanks, Trudy. Thanks so much. | 00:06:11 | |
OK anybody else for public comment? | 00:06:18 | |
Assuming everybody's here for the text amendment, then. | 00:06:26 | |
OK, we'll close public comment. We'll move to Item 4 on the agenda. | 00:06:29 | |
We are honored to have our newly elected County Council. | 00:06:34 | |
Member here. | 00:06:39 | |
This evening, Ross Romero. | 00:06:41 | |
He replaced Anne Granado. | 00:06:43 | |
And he wants to introduce himself and see if we have any questions. So. | 00:06:45 | |
Yeah. Thank you, Mayor, and to the Council, I appreciate the opportunity. | 00:06:49 | |
One of the things I wanted to do was to be sure to introduce myself, so let me say hi to the. | 00:06:53 | |
Audience as well. | 00:06:58 | |
I did have the good fortune of serving in the Utah Legislature, but took thirteen years off and now back to public service. So. | 00:07:01 | |
Appreciate the work the Council does. | 00:07:08 | |
I also wanted to let you know that I'm trying to get out to all the cities that I serve, so I do. I did run in a district. I'm not | 00:07:11 | |
at large and so. | 00:07:15 | |
Holiday is one of the cities that I will be working with. | 00:07:20 | |
So I want you to call on me if you see issues that we should be working on together, either regional efforts or community efforts | 00:07:25 | |
and letting the community know what you're doing that I can help amplify from the counties. | 00:07:32 | |
Media, you know, information share or personal information share. Wanted to pass that along as well. | 00:07:40 | |
One of the things that we've been working on recently. | 00:07:48 | |
Is trying to figure out the Legislature has asked the county. | 00:07:52 | |
To look for new bed space, they've been concerned that we are releasing because of overcrowding. | 00:07:56 | |
And so we are working with Representative Lizenby on a bill related to that. | 00:08:03 | |
Obviously has countrywide implications. | 00:08:09 | |
But, you know, we're trying to be responsive also to what's going on at the Legislature. | 00:08:12 | |
Wanted to bring to your attention, although I suspect you all know that the county has purchased a new City Hall. | 00:08:18 | |
It won't. We won't be moving our city operations for. | 00:08:26 | |
Probably a year plus. | 00:08:30 | |
But it's the old Overstock building. | 00:08:33 | |
So that will be retrofitted and upgraded and there'll be a lot of changes going on there before it becomes operational for the | 00:08:36 | |
county. | 00:08:40 | |
But that's something to look forward to. | 00:08:44 | |
Also wanted to report and ask you to keep in mind. | 00:08:49 | |
Having passed the zoo, arts and parks last last election. | 00:08:53 | |
There will be new projects and we want to make sure that our cities know about funding that's available, The nonprofits in the | 00:08:58 | |
cities for arts and parks related projects that they're available and we want to be a partner in those as well. | 00:09:05 | |
I think that's really all. | 00:09:13 | |
I wanted to offer but wanted to take questions or. | 00:09:15 | |
Just know that I'm a resource at the county. | 00:09:20 | |
Just curious, So will it be the entirety of the 21st South facility that will be moving to that? | 00:09:26 | |
Location, what was the time frame on that? It will yeah. So we are moving all of the operations but again it's in a year plus but. | 00:09:32 | |
It's actually a smaller footprint, well, smaller building than the building we have now. So one of the things the county has been | 00:09:42 | |
talking about is what operations maybe can put in a satellite location and or. | 00:09:49 | |
We've had work from home that's been pretty effective and so. | 00:09:57 | |
Looking at what that might mean for our workforce in the future. | 00:10:01 | |
Obviously there are services that the public is going to need to to access. So that building has not been very public friendly | 00:10:05 | |
because it was a private business. And so that's one of the things we're going to be working on is making sure it is accessible to | 00:10:09 | |
the public. | 00:10:14 | |
That there's a public space for meetings. | 00:10:19 | |
And so anyway, that is also happening relative to how much space we need down there and how many employees will ultimately be | 00:10:23 | |
relocated to that location. | 00:10:28 | |
Thank you. | 00:10:34 | |
Anything else? | 00:10:37 | |
All right. Well, thanks so much for coming. We look forward to working with you. If I might, I'll leave some cards hot off the | 00:10:38 | |
press for you guys to be able to reach out and and again, thank you for your time. | 00:10:43 | |
Congratulations, Ross, glad to have you. | 00:10:49 | |
Yeah. | 00:10:51 | |
OK, thank you. Before we turn it over to Chief Hoyle, I do want to, we did welcome our new code enforcement officer, Chad | 00:10:54 | |
Pedersen's here with us. Raise your hand, Officer Peterson, so you'll see him out in the community for those. | 00:11:01 | |
Residents that are here and we're. | 00:11:07 | |
We're thrilled to have you on board. | 00:11:09 | |
And with that, we have a couple more incentive awards. | 00:11:11 | |
And it's going to be familiar faces. We've got a couple of local police rock stars that. | 00:11:14 | |
Keep cracking these big cases. So we're thrilled to be able to recognize them again. So Chief. | 00:11:20 | |
Mayor Council, thank you for the opportunity. It's always an honor to be able to come up and recognize the great work that your | 00:11:26 | |
officers are doing every single day in this wonderful city. | 00:11:30 | |
If I can, I do have two different incentive awards that I would like to present tonight. The first one is for Officer Jennifer | 00:11:34 | |
Bethel, who unfortunately couldn't be with us tonight. | 00:11:39 | |
Lucky for her, she's on vacation with her family and she said I'll come back if you need me to, but. | 00:11:44 | |
It's kind of a three hour drive from Saint George that we told her to just stay there, but we'll get this to her. But I just think | 00:11:49 | |
it's important to read this so that you guys know the great work that you did. And if I can just take a minute and read this. And | 00:11:53 | |
I think this particular award is important to note that it's actually, and a lot of it's going to be quoted from one of our fellow | 00:11:58 | |
officers that sent me an e-mail commending her for a great work that she did. | 00:12:03 | |
On a shooting that happened at an apartment complex here in Holiday back in November and she said. | 00:12:07 | |
This officer said, although this case was aided by multiple officers, I wanted to recognize Officer Bittles efforts. | 00:12:13 | |
A team of us were clearing the apartment complex out of our cars, working to the incident location and attempt to locate the | 00:12:18 | |
suspect who had fled on foot. Authors Officer Bissell was the third car behind us. She continued to get to the victim. | 00:12:25 | |
Officer Bithell applied a tourniquet to the victim and stopped the bleeding. The scene was chaotic and she was still able to | 00:12:31 | |
perform life saving measures. Officer Bithell also went home absolutely covered in blood and spent the morning. | 00:12:36 | |
After work, cleaning your uniform, vest, body camera, shoes, et cetera. | 00:12:41 | |
The night prior to this incident, Officer Biffle had taken a Tactical Combat Casualty Care course, TCC as we call it, at the | 00:12:45 | |
Holiday Precinct, which was not required and was on her day off. Officer Bissell took the time out of her day to attend this | 00:12:51 | |
training and although I know she can perform under stress, it was so fantastic to see this occur the day after this refresher | 00:12:58 | |
course. That particular course teaches you how to apply first aid in a traumatic situation. | 00:13:04 | |
Officer Bissell's actions on this day were exemplary. She continues to go above and beyond and improve her skills and serve the | 00:13:10 | |
citizens of Holiday. | 00:13:13 | |
She's truly an example to others and an asset to the city of Holiday in the Unified Police Department. So with that, we would | 00:13:16 | |
present her with this incentive award. | 00:13:19 | |
With that, I have one other incentive award that I'd like to present to both Detective Jason Potion and Easton Story, if I could | 00:13:25 | |
have those guys come up. | 00:13:28 | |
Up here and Jason, you've got to bring your wife with you. We all know that these officers can't do the great work. | 00:13:32 | |
The support of their family and their loved ones so. | 00:13:37 | |
You got to come up here as well. | 00:13:41 | |
Because. | 00:13:43 | |
We know that we've taken Jason and Easton out of their homes quite a bit to work on, especially this case that we're going to talk | 00:13:44 | |
about tonight. And so the support of their families to be able to do this is. | 00:13:48 | |
Is what is valuable in this situation. | 00:13:54 | |
This one you may have seen on the news. | 00:13:57 | |
And we'll talk a little bit about, but in early December 2024, the Unified Police Department. | 00:13:59 | |
Received a call of an illegal dumping of tires on a vacant part of the old Cottonwood Mall lot. | 00:14:04 | |
There were well over 1000 tires that had been eagerly dumped illegally dumped with no suspect information, no leads, no video and | 00:14:09 | |
no suspects. | 00:14:13 | |
Detective Easton Story and Jason Potion began looking at this case. They found some markings on the tires that they began to | 00:14:17 | |
research. They spent hours researching the markings on these tires on the Internet. | 00:14:22 | |
They were able to match the markings on these tires to a local tire store here in Salt Lake County. | 00:14:28 | |
These detectives then spoke to the owner of that tire store and learned that he had recently changed companies that picked up old | 00:14:33 | |
used tires. | 00:14:36 | |
And they were supposed to be taken to a recycling plant. It became apparent that this new company was just picking up the tires | 00:14:39 | |
and illegally dumping them instead of recycling them. | 00:14:43 | |
Through the investigation, they learned that. | 00:14:47 | |
Holiday was not the only dumping site they found. There were multiple dumping sites all across Salt Lake County and thousands and | 00:14:49 | |
thousands of tires. Detectives spent days watching for this company to come pick up more tires and then follow them to see where | 00:14:53 | |
they would be dumped. | 00:14:57 | |
They also authored multiple search warrants through this process. | 00:15:01 | |
Detectives coordinated with Salt Lake County Health Department as well through this investigation. | 00:15:05 | |
They were able to obtain clear evidence as to the individuals who were involved in this case and have made one arrest so far and | 00:15:09 | |
and. | 00:15:12 | |
Charge this individual with multiple felonies. | 00:15:16 | |
They'd identified a second suspect that they're currently investigating. These detectives truly went above and beyond to solve a | 00:15:18 | |
case that potentially and very easily could have gone cold. | 00:15:22 | |
They also did not stop just at this holiday incident. | 00:15:27 | |
These individuals to multiple dumping sites across Salt Lake County. Both detectives continually go above and beyond to serve. | 00:15:30 | |
This great city. | 00:15:37 | |
And I think just a quick side note on this, as a matter of fact they have not stopped on this, have linked it to another suspect | 00:15:38 | |
in just yesterday I found another dumping site with 10s of thousands of tires just across the border in Nevada that they're | 00:15:43 | |
working on now, so. | 00:15:47 | |
They don't stop. As a matter of fact, we've kind of labeled them the dynamic duo as they're working together. | 00:15:52 | |
You may have just recently seen on the news this last week a case of involving multiple burglaries at. | 00:15:58 | |
Business offices here in Holiday. | 00:16:03 | |
That they've linked this individual. | 00:16:06 | |
They were the ones that solved that case and linked her to 18 cases across Salt Lake County and into Utah County and are still | 00:16:08 | |
ongoing. They just. | 00:16:11 | |
Every single time they get a case, they don't leave a stone unturned until they get an arrest made in. And we're really honored to | 00:16:14 | |
have them working here in Holiday and congratulations on your great work. | 00:16:19 | |
You mind if we have them come up here and we get a picture? Yeah. | 00:16:32 | |
I got a caveat. | 00:16:35 | |
So Chief was just as involved in. | 00:16:37 | |
We sent him. | 00:16:41 | |
On several occasions to sit and walk. | 00:16:43 | |
While we were out doing other things. | 00:16:45 | |
Where's your? | 00:16:48 | |
You guys are my incentive awards so. | 00:16:51 | |
Oh, you got to measure your part. | 00:16:54 | |
Where do you want us to you want to just scooch in right here behind We'll just. | 00:16:59 | |
Will that work? Sure. | 00:17:03 | |
It works for you. | 00:17:04 | |
Are we going to do this? | 00:17:08 | |
Thank you guys. | 00:17:34 | |
Appreciate it. Thank you. | 00:17:36 | |
When he's not doing that, Easton can hang your TV for you. Yeah, and paint and drywall. | 00:17:41 | |
Oh. | 00:17:49 | |
I. | 00:17:59 | |
Thanks, Chief. | 00:18:02 | |
Appreciate it. | 00:18:04 | |
OK, now we'll move to item number 5. This is the public hearing on proposed text amendment to Title 13.02. | 00:18:09 | |
.030 Roadway Classifications. | 00:18:16 | |
OK, let me. | 00:18:24 | |
I want to set this up just a little bit and then we'll get started, but. | 00:18:26 | |
I just want to know those that are here to listen to this. | 00:18:30 | |
Public hearing that. | 00:18:34 | |
There's a 55 page. | 00:18:36 | |
Packet enclosure that includes. | 00:18:39 | |
The staff report that's written by John Tierlink. | 00:18:42 | |
The Holiday Inn Holiday Engineering staff review. | 00:18:46 | |
That responses to the applicant. A general plan amendment, withdrawal, application of supporting materials from the applicant. | 00:18:51 | |
PC Media Planning Commission meeting minutes from. | 00:18:59 | |
January 7th, I believe and I'll note that that vote on that, I think everybody saw it was a 70 denial. | 00:19:03 | |
On the application. | 00:19:10 | |
There's 15 public comments that I think came from the Planning Commission inside the packet. | 00:19:12 | |
And so. | 00:19:19 | |
The council has reviewed. | 00:19:21 | |
All of the information that is in the packet and is familiar with it. | 00:19:23 | |
So I just want to let everybody know that to include the applicant. | 00:19:27 | |
When we get to the public hearing, we'll ask that individuals keep their comments to three minutes or less, but you're welcome to | 00:19:32 | |
also speak on behalf of if there's a group. | 00:19:37 | |
And there's a whole bunch of people that want to say the same thing. | 00:19:42 | |
You're welcome to get up and speak on behalf of them, have them raise their hand. We just want to make sure everybody has an | 00:19:45 | |
opportunity to address the council. | 00:19:49 | |
If they would like to do that. | 00:19:52 | |
The applicant is going to take has a 15 minute block to present to the council. | 00:19:54 | |
And then we'll take it from there. So we do intend on. It's not, it was not listed in the. | 00:20:01 | |
On the agenda, but when we recess. | 00:20:07 | |
Council meeting will move across the hall to go into work session. | 00:20:11 | |
And we will be discussing. | 00:20:14 | |
This particular item in the in the work session. | 00:20:17 | |
Across the hall, just as an FYI. If people want to sit on that, that's all. | 00:20:19 | |
That's all open to the public. | 00:20:23 | |
When we start going through this, you typically you're not going to see. | 00:20:26 | |
The Council. | 00:20:29 | |
Engage a lot. It's a public hearing, so we're here to listen to the staff report if we've got any clarifying comments from the | 00:20:31 | |
packet, information we've received or from the applicant. | 00:20:36 | |
We'll ask it, but typically that's about it. | 00:20:41 | |
So a lot of people are curious why there's not all this back and forth, but that's really not what a public hearing is all about. | 00:20:44 | |
It's about hearing. | 00:20:47 | |
What the staff has said and what the applicant has is proposing and then just have any any clarifying questions? | 00:20:51 | |
So with that, we will start with John. | 00:20:59 | |
If you want to cover any of the staff report and then we'll move the applicant. | 00:21:03 | |
Thank you, Mayor, the Jonathan Turling Community and Economic Development Director. | 00:21:11 | |
Application before you use a text amendment, which is a legislative process that means that. | 00:21:17 | |
The applicant proceeds with submitting his or her. | 00:21:23 | |
Their application to amend either. | 00:21:27 | |
Existing code representing new. | 00:21:30 | |
Amendments to holiday ordinance. The technical review committee. | 00:21:32 | |
Reviews that application and provides the Planning Commission with a staff report. | 00:21:36 | |
And the supply documents from the applicant. | 00:21:41 | |
As mentioned, on January 7, the Planning Commission reviewed that application. | 00:21:44 | |
With their own public hearing and heard a presentation from the applicant. | 00:21:48 | |
In this situation. | 00:21:53 | |
The request is to review dimensional standards for a specific section of. | 00:21:55 | |
Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:21:59 | |
The section that's being requested to be amended is within Title 13. | 00:22:01 | |
That section is a. | 00:22:06 | |
Portion of the title code that reviews the general plan and other planning documents to determine. | 00:22:07 | |
Specific width dimensions of the right of way. | 00:22:13 | |
The public right of way. | 00:22:17 | |
The Planning Commission reviewed both the presentation and. | 00:22:20 | |
From staff and up from the applicant and forwarded a recommendation to the council. | 00:22:23 | |
For their review tonight. | 00:22:28 | |
The information that has been provided in your packet is from the Technical Review Committee as far as. | 00:22:30 | |
Planning and zoning. | 00:22:37 | |
Point of view. | 00:22:39 | |
Traffic engineering point of view and a traffic planning point of view. | 00:22:40 | |
The applicant does have some. | 00:22:44 | |
Narrative that needs to be reviewed by the the City Council and also hold the public hearing. | 00:22:46 | |
There is comments from the applicants traffic engineer in your packet. | 00:22:52 | |
So staff is here, you know, in your work session if you have questions. | 00:22:57 | |
About that. | 00:23:02 | |
Any questions for John before we get started? | 00:23:07 | |
If there's none, he's still going to be available depending on what we hear from the applicant. If you have more questions, we'll | 00:23:11 | |
take them at that point. | 00:23:14 | |
So we'll now turn it over to Mr. Hilton. | 00:23:18 | |
And my understanding is you've got an opening. | 00:23:22 | |
Statement you want to read and then a presentation. | 00:23:27 | |
OK. | 00:23:30 | |
Is what you're going to put up there in our packet. | 00:23:47 | |
Yes. | 00:23:49 | |
OK, we'll be viewing it on our screens then, just FYI. | 00:23:53 | |
Hi, my name is Ron Hilton. I live at 2394 E Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:24:12 | |
I'd like to read an opening statement. I wrote it out so I wouldn't forget anything. | 00:24:20 | |
And then I'll kind of go. | 00:24:27 | |
More ad Lib from that point. | 00:24:29 | |
On but. | 00:24:31 | |
This is just to kind of give bring everybody up to speed and get us on the same page as to how we got to this point and what the. | 00:24:32 | |
History has been. | 00:24:39 | |
So I'll go ahead and read that. | 00:24:41 | |
It started two years ago with a question regarding the location. | 00:24:44 | |
Of a power pole on the boundary. | 00:24:48 | |
Between Hadley Pines and Holton Park. | 00:24:50 | |
We noticed that the developer of Hadley Pines had angled the new curb. | 00:24:54 | |
And gutter away from the power pole. | 00:24:58 | |
When we questioned that, we learned that it had been approved that way by the city. | 00:25:01 | |
So our civil engineer modified our plan for Holton Park. | 00:25:05 | |
With a drawing showing the curve bumping out slightly to avoid the power pole. | 00:25:09 | |
Only by about 6 inches, not 18 inches, has been. | 00:25:13 | |
Claimed in some documents. | 00:25:17 | |
The city replied that to narrow the shoulder by even 6 inches over a short distance like that was unacceptable. | 00:25:19 | |
And the power pole had to be moved. | 00:25:26 | |
In support of that position, they sent us a copy of the general plan wrote. | 00:25:29 | |
Road network map. | 00:25:32 | |
But the map seemed to show just the opposite, that Murray Holiday Rd. was in fact slated to be narrowed. | 00:25:35 | |
Going eastward from our property. | 00:25:40 | |
In fact, it's the only Rd. in the city that the general plan shows being narrowed in that way. | 00:25:43 | |
It has already been narrowed from 66 feet to 55 feet at Hadley Pines. | 00:25:49 | |
And was to be further narrowed to become a secondary residential St. | 00:25:54 | |
Compatible with Apple Blossom Lane, which it feeds into at the East End. | 00:25:59 | |
Where where the holiday ends, it becomes. | 00:26:03 | |
Apple Blossom Lane. | 00:26:05 | |
The current width going east from Holton Park to that point is about 42 feet. | 00:26:07 | |
So we met with the city to discuss it and we were told that even though a secondary residential St. | 00:26:13 | |
Was the narrowest Rd. classification. | 00:26:18 | |
It could actually be as much as 50 feet wide. | 00:26:21 | |
And that in fact, they intended to eventually widen the right of way to that 50 foot maximum. | 00:26:24 | |
In order to extend the sidewalk all the way to the end. | 00:26:30 | |
Realizing that to do so would affect the front yards of all our neighbors to the east. | 00:26:33 | |
I took a walk down the street and measured the location of all the remaining power poles and fire hydrants. | 00:26:37 | |
That might be affected by that. | 00:26:43 | |
About halfway down the street, one of my neighbors stopped me and asked what I was doing. | 00:26:45 | |
When I explained the situation, he was upset and questioned whether a sidewalk was needed at all. | 00:26:50 | |
Since there is already 1:00 on the other side of the street. | 00:26:55 | |
He also said that he had complained to the city about the speeding problem there. | 00:26:58 | |
And pointed to an electronic speed limit sign that had recently been put in. | 00:27:03 | |
To try to address that problem. | 00:27:07 | |
Albeit without much success. | 00:27:09 | |
Effect. We see that sign flashing red. | 00:27:11 | |
All the time. | 00:27:14 | |
Anyway, the end result was the neighborhood petition that you have in your packet. | 00:27:15 | |
Which was submitted to the city in August of 2023. | 00:27:20 | |
But the petition was essentially ignored, so in early 2024, we asked the city. | 00:27:24 | |
What needed to be done to address the issue? | 00:27:30 | |
They suggested that we file an appeal regarding the power pole. | 00:27:33 | |
Which would involve a hearing with the mayor. | 00:27:36 | |
We did so and invited our neighbor to present the petition. | 00:27:39 | |
Using much of our limited time allotment at the hearing to do that. | 00:27:43 | |
To our disappointment, the petition and the neighborhood testimony was afterward. | 00:27:47 | |
Ruled inadmissible in that forum. | 00:27:51 | |
As for the power pole, the mayor's decision was that it would not be appropriate. | 00:27:55 | |
To alter the sidewalk design for that reason. | 00:27:59 | |
And I actually agree with that. | 00:28:02 | |
As far as it goes. | 00:28:04 | |
If the power pole were the only consideration. | 00:28:06 | |
That by itself would not be adequate justification for narrowing the road. | 00:28:09 | |
But this was no longer about moving power poles. It was a question of public safety. | 00:28:14 | |
A neighborhood e-mail campaign was then undertaken to try and persuade our representatives to hold a town hall meeting on this | 00:28:19 | |
issue. | 00:28:22 | |
But they declined. | 00:28:26 | |
So as a last resort, we filed this text amendment. | 00:28:28 | |
And you're reviewing this evening? | 00:28:32 | |
To ensure that a public hearing on the merits would take place and a final decision would be reached. | 00:28:34 | |
My understanding though, is that you do not actually have to approve the text amendment to the city code. | 00:28:42 | |
To address the issue. | 00:28:48 | |
In fact. | 00:28:52 | |
Staff already has the. | 00:28:53 | |
Statutory authority to approve the text amendment. | 00:28:55 | |
Or to approve the proposal rather of the text amendment. | 00:28:59 | |
And really doesn't actually even need your permission to do so. | 00:29:04 | |
What we hope is that after you've heard our presentation, including. | 00:29:08 | |
The testimony of the traffic engineer that we hired. | 00:29:11 | |
And the direct input from your constituents tonight. | 00:29:14 | |
That you may encourage staff to approve the proposal in some form. | 00:29:17 | |
We realized that this process. | 00:29:22 | |
We're here for tonight. | 00:29:24 | |
While perfectly legal. | 00:29:26 | |
Is not ideal. | 00:29:28 | |
It's the main reason, in fact, the Planning Commission gave a negative recommendation. They just questioned the whole. | 00:29:31 | |
The whole approach. | 00:29:37 | |
And I don't disagree with them on that. | 00:29:40 | |
There ought to be another way, and I hope that some changes might be made. | 00:29:43 | |
So that the community issues like this can be. | 00:29:47 | |
That are handled in the future. | 00:29:49 | |
But with that background, I'd like to now set all that aside and. | 00:29:51 | |
Have us focus on the proposal itself. | 00:29:55 | |
And evaluated on its merits as far as making our neighborhood safer for. | 00:29:57 | |
Motorists, bicyclists and pedestrians. | 00:30:02 | |
Any questions or comments on that? | 00:30:08 | |
So this drawing over here. | 00:30:15 | |
Shows kind of what we have in mind and this has evolved. So this isn't. | 00:30:19 | |
Is a little different than what we had two years ago. | 00:30:23 | |
Community input. It's evolved and. | 00:30:26 | |
And other input. | 00:30:29 | |
So basically. | 00:30:31 | |
In a nutshell, the idea is to. | 00:30:33 | |
Slow down the traffic on this East End of Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:30:36 | |
Where it becomes a single family residential area. | 00:30:40 | |
You know, with driveways backing onto it and you know, it's more of a residential area. | 00:30:43 | |
So we wanted it to look more like a residential Rd. more like Apple blossom plain. | 00:30:49 | |
Where it ends and it turns into Apple Boss Blaine. | 00:30:54 | |
So. | 00:30:58 | |
We've got it. | 00:31:00 | |
Mapped out in three phases. | 00:31:01 | |
The last phase here, I'll talk about the last phase first because that's kind of the end goal. | 00:31:04 | |
To explain what the what? | 00:31:09 | |
What it would look like? | 00:31:12 | |
So right now, as I said, there's a 55 foot right away here. | 00:31:14 | |
And at this end of the road, it's. | 00:31:19 | |
About 42 feet. | 00:31:22 | |
Existing right of way. | 00:31:24 | |
So the travel lanes are 11 1/2 feet wide. | 00:31:26 | |
Right here. | 00:31:31 | |
Those lanes are 11 1/2 feet wide. | 00:31:35 | |
Our proposal would be to narrow them to 10 feet. | 00:31:38 | |
And then? | 00:31:42 | |
Basically eliminate all. | 00:31:43 | |
The shoulder marking and the center line from them going there. | 00:31:46 | |
Beyond there. | 00:31:49 | |
And so. | 00:31:52 | |
This this area is between holiday village. | 00:31:54 | |
Here on the left on the West. | 00:31:58 | |
And Clearview St. on the right, and this is what's called the medium density district. | 00:32:00 | |
So you've got your high density. | 00:32:05 | |
Townhomes and condominiums, You got the. | 00:32:07 | |
Of the terraces and the holiday row here. | 00:32:09 | |
And then you've got your low density. | 00:32:12 | |
Single family neighborhood. | 00:32:15 | |
There. So this is kind of a transition. | 00:32:17 | |
And that's, as I've explained before, that's kind of the concept of Holton Park is to be that transition. | 00:32:19 | |
So it's a single family homes but medium density. | 00:32:26 | |
To kind of provide a transition from the high density multifamily into the single family residential. | 00:32:29 | |
And we feel that a similar transition. | 00:32:35 | |
In the speed and intensity of traffic is also appropriate, so this is the right place to do this. | 00:32:38 | |
In our opinion. | 00:32:44 | |
So as far as the phased approach to it. | 00:32:47 | |
Phase 1 and I actually give credit to the mayor for this idea. | 00:32:52 | |
And so in that. | 00:32:56 | |
Appeal hearing that we had. The mayor commented that. | 00:32:58 | |
Although he was. | 00:33:01 | |
Didn't like the idea of using cement. | 00:33:03 | |
You know infrastructure to change the road width. | 00:33:06 | |
Restriping the road might be an option. | 00:33:09 | |
That had been done elsewhere in the city with good effect. | 00:33:11 | |
And so phase one is just done with paint basically. | 00:33:14 | |
So it would be. | 00:33:18 | |
Restriping. | 00:33:22 | |
Narrowing those. | 00:33:24 | |
But not adding any curb, gutter or sidewalk. | 00:33:25 | |
And so you can see. | 00:33:31 | |
Just tail the straight so you've got a parked car. So currently there is. | 00:33:33 | |
Parking allowed on the on the north side of the road. | 00:33:37 | |
There's a wider shoulder there. | 00:33:40 | |
And then I'm showing two cars passing each other. | 00:33:42 | |
The the longer tail behind them is meant to imply a higher rate of speed. | 00:33:45 | |
And So what phase one would accomplish? | 00:33:51 | |
You would still have the parking on the Northside, the cars. | 00:33:54 | |
Not having that center line and having the 10 foot. | 00:33:57 | |
Travel lanes would. | 00:34:01 | |
Tend to go slower. | 00:34:02 | |
Which is the objective and then? | 00:34:04 | |
You could have parking also on the South side because the shoulder would be wider as a result. | 00:34:06 | |
I put a question mark there because. | 00:34:13 | |
There's been some difference of opinion in the neighborhood about that, so I'll mention that in a second. | 00:34:16 | |
So just phase one would. | 00:34:22 | |
You know, make some improvement in the. | 00:34:25 | |
Traffic. | 00:34:28 | |
Speeds and so on and safety. | 00:34:29 | |
And as Ben mentioned, this is also a bike route. | 00:34:32 | |
As distinct from a bike lane. | 00:34:35 | |
So this. | 00:34:37 | |
The current narrow shoulder is not a bike lane, and the wider shoulder would also not be a bike lane. The bikes are allowed to use | 00:34:39 | |
the full width of the road. | 00:34:43 | |
But the best thing you can do for bike safety? | 00:34:48 | |
Is to keep the speeds down so this would improve bike safety. | 00:34:51 | |
And of course, pedestrian safety as well. | 00:34:56 | |
I mean we we see people walking on the shoulder all the time, so making it wider would. | 00:34:59 | |
That by itself would be an improvement in safety, I think. | 00:35:04 | |
Phase two would then be. | 00:35:08 | |
The beginning of a new sidewalk. | 00:35:10 | |
This is. | 00:35:12 | |
Basically part of Holton Park so. | 00:35:14 | |
We're already bonded with the city and we've already paid to do that so. | 00:35:16 | |
That's essentially paid for and we're on the hook to do it. | 00:35:20 | |
So that that piece of it. | 00:35:24 | |
You know it won't cost the city anything. | 00:35:26 | |
And then phase three would be. | 00:35:29 | |
At some future time when budget allows. | 00:35:32 | |
Continue that sidewalk on. | 00:35:35 | |
All the way to the end of Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:35:37 | |
The impact that would have, first of all the sidewalk, of course, would provide greater safety for pedestrians. | 00:35:42 | |
It would also. | 00:35:49 | |
Create what is called a yield St. So most residential streets are. | 00:35:51 | |
Our yield St. in other words. | 00:35:55 | |
People can park on both sides of the road. | 00:35:58 | |
And this is the case with Apple Blossom Lane if two cars are coming at the same time. | 00:36:01 | |
One of them has to yield to the other. You can't both pass each other between the two parked cars. | 00:36:06 | |
So that's. | 00:36:11 | |
That's what's illustrated here. The blue car has stopped to allow the green car. | 00:36:12 | |
Get through. | 00:36:16 | |
Assuming that parking were allowed here once again. | 00:36:18 | |
When the original. | 00:36:22 | |
Petition was circulated. | 00:36:25 | |
It basically said that. | 00:36:27 | |
There would be no sidewalk. | 00:36:30 | |
And that parking would be allowed. | 00:36:32 | |
There because some residents already parked there on their own. | 00:36:34 | |
Kind of. Partly on the shoulder and partly on their property. | 00:36:38 | |
And they like to be able to continue to do that. | 00:36:41 | |
But some neighbors didn't sign that. They objected to that. They thought it was sidewalk. | 00:36:44 | |
Was actually a good idea. | 00:36:48 | |
And our traffic engineer also. | 00:36:51 | |
Said that yes, you know, sidewalk really would be appropriate here. | 00:36:54 | |
So. | 00:36:58 | |
Essentially that petition, if you read the language of that petition, it's basically describing. | 00:37:00 | |
Phase 2. | 00:37:04 | |
OK. | 00:37:06 | |
Now with phase three, you could still. | 00:37:08 | |
Of the street parking. | 00:37:10 | |
If desired. | 00:37:12 | |
And I think that would be a good idea. It's not that there's a need for parking. | 00:37:13 | |
You can count on the fingers of one hand. | 00:37:17 | |
The number of cars that are parked on the Northside on any given day. | 00:37:20 | |
It's not a. | 00:37:24 | |
Amount of parking. | 00:37:25 | |
But just the mere presence. | 00:37:27 | |
And our traffic engineer has confirmed this. Just the mere presence of a few parked cars. | 00:37:29 | |
Tends to slow slow people down. | 00:37:34 | |
So we think it's a good idea and some of the. | 00:37:36 | |
People like to park there. | 00:37:40 | |
You know, visitors come to their house or whatever, so it's not going to be like the whole. | 00:37:41 | |
Thing is going to be a big parking lot but. | 00:37:45 | |
So I would personally like to see. | 00:37:48 | |
Let's go all the way to phase three as far as cost. | 00:37:51 | |
That question has come up. | 00:37:54 | |
So phase one is just the restriping. | 00:37:58 | |
That would be. | 00:38:01 | |
Based and this is These are my numbers OK, but based on. | 00:38:03 | |
Having gotten bids for this. | 00:38:07 | |
Probably about $25,000 to restripe the whole. | 00:38:09 | |
The whole Rd. there. | 00:38:13 | |
The phase two, which is just a little piece that we're already on the hook to do that, that's going to be about 5000 and that's | 00:38:15 | |
already covered by the bond. | 00:38:19 | |
And then phase three. | 00:38:23 | |
To extend that curb, gutter and sidewalk the whole way. | 00:38:24 | |
Would be about 120,000. | 00:38:27 | |
Based on. | 00:38:30 | |
You know what we've spent to do similar work already. That's about what we would estimate. | 00:38:31 | |
Now I had. | 00:38:38 | |
So I had offered to help pay for some of this. | 00:38:42 | |
We've had a. | 00:38:48 | |
The negative financial situation arise. | 00:38:51 | |
That makes that rather difficult. | 00:38:53 | |
The $25,000 would be a little bit beyond our ability right now. | 00:38:56 | |
But I think we probably could do if. | 00:39:01 | |
You know, we're already committed to doing this little piece of sidewalk. | 00:39:04 | |
We could probably do the. | 00:39:08 | |
The repainting that's shown just. | 00:39:09 | |
On this picture the part between. | 00:39:11 | |
Holiday Village in Clearview. | 00:39:14 | |
If you wanted to do that. | 00:39:16 | |
That you know. | 00:39:18 | |
We could probably squeeze that into our budget at this point. | 00:39:20 | |
So we're willing to do that. | 00:39:23 | |
So really the only expense to the city would be. | 00:39:25 | |
The completion of phase three at some point when your budget allows for it. | 00:39:28 | |
But we would get us part way to The Who we're trying to get. | 00:39:34 | |
One question that came up in. | 00:39:42 | |
The public hearing with the Planning Commission. | 00:39:44 | |
One of the residents was concerned about, So there's already some sidewalks, a few sections of sidewalk. | 00:39:47 | |
On the South side in front of the LDS Church, there at Chapel Street, between Chapel Street and Wander, and then at the very end | 00:39:54 | |
where the condominiums are. | 00:39:58 | |
There's also a sidewalk. | 00:40:03 | |
And they were concerned that this was going to change that or narrow, you know, take away the parking that they have there. | 00:40:06 | |
And I just want to clarify, we would not change any existing sidewalks so that it would just be new sidewalk not replacing what's | 00:40:12 | |
already there. And in fact. | 00:40:16 | |
You know, narrowing the travel lanes would actually allow more parking. | 00:40:21 | |
In those locations by the church and by the condominium, so. | 00:40:25 | |
That could be a positive. | 00:40:29 | |
Umm. But anyway, that was just one thing I wanted to clarify. | 00:40:32 | |
That's pretty much it for my. | 00:40:37 | |
My introduction. If there's any questions I'd be happy to. | 00:40:39 | |
Answer those. | 00:40:42 | |
I did just so I'm clear. | 00:40:46 | |
There's an approval for this development right now, correct the South development. | 00:40:49 | |
Does it require the sidewalk to be installed at the time that lot is developed? Yes it does. | 00:40:55 | |
It doesn't. Well, so there's. | 00:41:01 | |
And if you look at the language of the text amendment, it mentions a date. | 00:41:03 | |
By which this ought to be accomplished. | 00:41:07 | |
And that date is the date upon which. | 00:41:09 | |
The improvement bond expires. | 00:41:12 | |
That's the only reason for that date. | 00:41:14 | |
So, uh. | 00:41:16 | |
If the city wanted to extend that deadline, then this could. You know that date doesn't have to be cast in stone. | 00:41:18 | |
Yeah, I mean, so if you want to improve the South lot. | 00:41:25 | |
The sidewalk has to go straight across and the pole has to be moved. | 00:41:29 | |
And the polls, not the issue. | 00:41:33 | |
It's right. | 00:41:35 | |
So I'm just going to ask this question and I'll cover it across the hall, but the question I'm going to have for the Council is. | 00:41:38 | |
If this is strictly a safety issue. | 00:41:46 | |
And the pole has to be moved regardless, because even if you go to phase 3 or 4. | 00:41:49 | |
The polls going to be required to be moved to protect our shoulder right away, so that's a non issue. | 00:41:54 | |
Then the only issue is really safety. We're arguing about safety here. | 00:42:01 | |
And if you can achieve the safety goals that you're proposing here by simply. | 00:42:05 | |
Changing the lines from 11/4 to 10 feet. | 00:42:12 | |
Why wouldn't we just? | 00:42:16 | |
Do that as opposed. | 00:42:18 | |
As you've proposed on phase one. | 00:42:19 | |
That would be the option and I will say with a caveat. | 00:42:22 | |
That. | 00:42:26 | |
I would have to be convinced that painting the lines or changing the width of the lines. | 00:42:28 | |
From 11 feet 4 inches to 10 feet. | 00:42:33 | |
Would have to be justified because my understanding is when you remove that centerline, I'm not going to argue about it is. | 00:42:35 | |
That doesn't make it safer. It's actually not something you should be doing as a first option, so. | 00:42:41 | |
That's going to be my. | 00:42:48 | |
The issue I have to wrestle with is why would we? | 00:42:50 | |
Jog the right away and narrow the right away. | 00:42:54 | |
From what we have right now, if the only issue is safety. | 00:42:57 | |
And if the 10 foot solution is the solution which somebody would have to justify to me. | 00:43:01 | |
Why wouldn't we just do that? | 00:43:08 | |
Not go through all this. | 00:43:10 | |
All these gyrations, so you don't have to answer that. I'm just making a public statement. | 00:43:12 | |
You know, with people here, but I'm happy to debate it across the hall, but that's kind of where I'm at. | 00:43:18 | |
OK. Appreciate that. | 00:43:23 | |
I guess. | 00:43:26 | |
Just to briefly respond. | 00:43:27 | |
What you're essentially describing as phase one, and maybe that's all that's needed, you know? | 00:43:33 | |
Just restriping the road. | 00:43:37 | |
And then yeah, the sidewalk wouldn't be affected. | 00:43:39 | |
The reason? | 00:43:42 | |
To do Phase 2. | 00:43:44 | |
To angle the sidewalk. | 00:43:46 | |
Would be. | 00:43:47 | |
If the desire is to have. If the long term desire is to have a sidewalk there and I have. | 00:43:50 | |
Become convinced that that's a good idea. | 00:43:55 | |
And this is the right time and place to. | 00:43:59 | |
You know to start that process. | 00:44:01 | |
Because. | 00:44:04 | |
The process. | 00:44:09 | |
There's several different ways the city can do that. | 00:44:10 | |
There's eminent domain. | 00:44:12 | |
Where the city basically buys the property from the. | 00:44:14 | |
To increase the right of way and puts in the improvements. | 00:44:18 | |
There's exaction. | 00:44:22 | |
Which is the method that's like for example. | 00:44:24 | |
The sidewalk that we're putting in is. | 00:44:27 | |
An example of exaction. You know you do some development. Condition of completing the development is you make improvements to the | 00:44:30 | |
right of way. | 00:44:34 | |
The problem with that is. | 00:44:38 | |
It tends to be happen in a piece meal fashion. | 00:44:40 | |
It only happens when a certain property gets developed. | 00:44:44 | |
When I lived in California. | 00:44:48 | |
We remodeled our home on a neighborhood St. | 00:44:51 | |
And. | 00:44:55 | |
And we were required to put in some sidewalk. | 00:44:58 | |
And so we did. | 00:45:00 | |
You know, it was the airport and. | 00:45:02 | |
And Roads Commission of Santa Clara County put in the sidewalk. | 00:45:05 | |
So they came out, approved that, put it in. | 00:45:09 | |
A few months later, one of our neighbors was at a desk power walking. | 00:45:11 | |
So, oh look, there's a great sidewalk. I went over there to get on the sidewalk. Well, since the sidewalk ended right there. | 00:45:15 | |
He tripped on the edge of it. | 00:45:20 | |
Shattered their jaw. | 00:45:22 | |
We were sued. | 00:45:23 | |
And. | 00:45:26 | |
You know, fortunately, our homeowners insurance paid for it. | 00:45:27 | |
But this idea of. | 00:45:30 | |
Yeah, it would save the city money, you know, to wait until. | 00:45:31 | |
This and that piece of property gets developed. | 00:45:35 | |
I just don't. | 00:45:38 | |
You know if a sidewalk is really needed and will help improve pedestrian safety. | 00:45:39 | |
Which I believe it will. | 00:45:44 | |
I think it's better to bite the bullet and do it, and this would be by far. | 00:45:45 | |
The least expensive way to do it right? Not having to. | 00:45:49 | |
Move a lot of power poles and fire hydrants and. | 00:45:53 | |
And uh. | 00:45:57 | |
You know, exercise eminent domain and buy property. Just putting it right where the pavement already is would be. | 00:45:59 | |
Much less expensive, and so that's the reason. | 00:46:04 | |
To do that as far as the 10 foot. | 00:46:08 | |
Lane width or eliminating the lane marking. I would just refer you to the letter that our traffic engineer sent today. | 00:46:12 | |
Citing studies that that, you know, supporting that. | 00:46:19 | |
OK. | 00:46:25 | |
All right. Thanks. | 00:46:27 | |
We're going to move to the public hearing now, but you'll be available if we have questions after we hear from the public. | 00:46:28 | |
I would just remind. | 00:46:35 | |
Everybody would try to keep to three minutes or less. | 00:46:37 | |
For those that want to comment, and if you're speaking, if you want to speak on behalf of a group where you have a collective. | 00:46:41 | |
Statement you want to make, we usually ask you to state that and then have people. | 00:46:47 | |
Raise their hand so we can get a sense of how many people are out there supporting that opinion. | 00:46:52 | |
And with that, we'll open up the public hearing. | 00:46:56 | |
And uh. | 00:46:59 | |
We don't have any written stuff, so just come on up and when. | 00:47:00 | |
The last person. | 00:47:04 | |
Has finished. Will most likely close the public hearing so it's open. | 00:47:05 | |
Come on up. | 00:47:14 | |
Yeah, just name and address please. | 00:47:15 | |
My name is Clark Larson. | 00:47:24 | |
I live. | 00:47:27 | |
Clearview St. | 00:47:28 | |
At 4565 S. | 00:47:30 | |
So I. | 00:47:34 | |
Wind up driving through this area on a fairly regular basis. | 00:47:37 | |
I might. | 00:47:45 | |
Add if I may. | 00:47:47 | |
I have some experience in the public safety area, having been a cop for 40 years. | 00:47:50 | |
30 of that. | 00:47:58 | |
US a Secret Service agent. | 00:48:00 | |
And the rest, like the uniformed police and traffic control and some of that kind of stuff. | 00:48:03 | |
What he's talking about here. | 00:48:12 | |
Should be considered whether you choose to do it or not. | 00:48:16 | |
It was up to you. I see some pros and cons to be honest and. | 00:48:22 | |
Shared him with him. | 00:48:28 | |
What he hasn't said is. | 00:48:31 | |
You have a say. | 00:48:34 | |
In how? | 00:48:36 | |
The police. | 00:48:38 | |
Work here, Yes. They are not a city Police Department. You aren't there. | 00:48:40 | |
Direct boss in that way, but they do. | 00:48:45 | |
Lesson. Am I right? | 00:48:48 | |
We work for them. | 00:48:51 | |
Umm, if. If in fact. | 00:48:54 | |
A little bit of a survey is done by the police to see if it is a real. | 00:48:59 | |
Issue. | 00:49:05 | |
They can then start enforcing the law more strictly on that street. | 00:49:07 | |
I'll be honest, jamming it down South, it's like Feldon. | 00:49:13 | |
Where you can't drive through there two at a time because there's. | 00:49:17 | |
A narrow St. and. | 00:49:21 | |
Cars parked and. | 00:49:22 | |
You have to take turns and that in some ways is is. | 00:49:25 | |
In my opinion more dangerous, but I. | 00:49:29 | |
I do think that. | 00:49:33 | |
Law enforcement is an effective way. | 00:49:34 | |
If they do a survey. | 00:49:38 | |
And there's ways to do that with radar. | 00:49:41 | |
And they don't have to spend all day every day. | 00:49:45 | |
Doing that so I would add that. | 00:49:49 | |
Chose the things to consider. | 00:49:52 | |
Now have I gone past my time? | 00:49:56 | |
We're really not that formal. We just asked. | 00:50:00 | |
Thank you. Some cities are they put you on the clock, but. | 00:50:04 | |
Most our residents are pretty. | 00:50:06 | |
Pretty respectful of everybody's time. | 00:50:09 | |
Don't be shy, this is your opportunity. | 00:50:13 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Owen Smoot. I live at 2544 E. | 00:50:20 | |
Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:50:24 | |
Point of information, just for my benefit, we haven't lived here long, I think four years. | 00:50:26 | |
We moved from back east. | 00:50:33 | |
What is the general plan for Murray Holiday Road? Or is there one because I've read the general plan. | 00:50:36 | |
I've heard things from different sources. | 00:50:41 | |
Is there a plan for Murray Holiday Rd. going east from? | 00:50:44 | |
Village where I live, I live up. I'm on the corner of Wander and. | 00:50:47 | |
Maria Holiday next to the LDS Church, but. | 00:50:51 | |
If there is a plan, I would like to know what it is so I know. | 00:50:54 | |
Whether or not you know. | 00:50:58 | |
I want to get involved. | 00:50:59 | |
But just as a point of. | 00:51:01 | |
Support. I guess not necessarily for Ron's proposal. | 00:51:03 | |
But in. | 00:51:07 | |
Just a proposal or support. | 00:51:09 | |
Sorry. | 00:51:11 | |
Anything that we can do? | 00:51:13 | |
Increased safety on that road I think is. | 00:51:14 | |
A good idea. My son has almost been run over. I see my neighbor Rob Etherington sitting back there. His grandkids are riding back | 00:51:17 | |
and forth across the street. | 00:51:21 | |
All the time. | 00:51:25 | |
My neighbor's kid came this close to getting hit. | 00:51:27 | |
I really appreciate that you've. | 00:51:30 | |
Put up a speed camera or a little speed flashing speed sign on the road. | 00:51:32 | |
And I do appreciate the police being. | 00:51:35 | |
In the parking lot there at the church to trap speeders, but it's it's I realize it's kind of a losing battle in a lot of ways. So | 00:51:38 | |
if this would. | 00:51:42 | |
Reduce speed and increase safety on the road then I would support it. | 00:51:48 | |
Thank you. Thank you. | 00:51:52 | |
Good evening, my name is Marjorie McDermott. I live at 2534 E Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:52:01 | |
I appreciate Mr. Hilton's tenacity. I agree that there is a problem on the road. I certainly appreciate the council putting in the | 00:52:08 | |
one speeding sign flashing. | 00:52:14 | |
I think we do have a speeding problem there. | 00:52:20 | |
I do not support narrowing the road. | 00:52:24 | |
And that's for multiple reasons, I think the. | 00:52:28 | |
Going the back and forth and having to slow down. I I'm a realtor. I traveled the whole city. | 00:52:32 | |
I've seen the little roundabouts, I've seen lots of ways that we slow traffic down. | 00:52:38 | |
We need some more help. I think the Police Department is doing a great job. | 00:52:45 | |
Considering their resources. | 00:52:50 | |
They probably need more. | 00:52:52 | |
I would like another study. I know you've done previous studies. | 00:52:55 | |
On speeding there, but it really is tragic. I've seen Owens. | 00:52:58 | |
Backyard neighbor, ours also their little boy almost get hit. | 00:53:04 | |
I've watched Rob's grandchildren. | 00:53:09 | |
I've seen bikes, it's the speeding is a problem I don't think narrowing the road. | 00:53:12 | |
Is the issue, and I realize this doesn't really address what Mr. Hilton wants. | 00:53:18 | |
But I don't think what he's proposing. | 00:53:25 | |
Is really what the city needs. I think we need a closer look at that. | 00:53:28 | |
A little bit more. | 00:53:34 | |
Thoughtfulness. | 00:53:37 | |
As to possibilities of voice, we could change that. I'd be happy to discuss it. I realize this isn't the forum for it. | 00:53:38 | |
But I would just ask that the Council say. | 00:53:46 | |
Note narrowing the road. | 00:53:51 | |
But continue to consider that we do have a speeding problem. | 00:53:53 | |
And we do have it is a safety issue I don't see that this solves. | 00:53:58 | |
A safety issue, That's really what we're here for. | 00:54:02 | |
Thank you. | 00:54:05 | |
Thank you. Any questions? | 00:54:07 | |
I'm Frank Moffett and I live at 4635 S Clearview. We've been here for. | 00:54:25 | |
Over 30 years. | 00:54:30 | |
In the same location. | 00:54:31 | |
I agree that there is speeding on Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:54:33 | |
But narrowing it, I think would be. | 00:54:36 | |
Would increase the. | 00:54:40 | |
The unsafeness. | 00:54:42 | |
Especially taking out the middle line. | 00:54:45 | |
I believe on the South side you should have an easement. | 00:54:49 | |
That they build an easement for each and every Rd. that is. | 00:54:54 | |
Owned by the county or the state? | 00:54:59 | |
4 improvements like. | 00:55:01 | |
Sidewalks. | 00:55:03 | |
And I don't think you'd have to. | 00:55:04 | |
Narrow the road. | 00:55:08 | |
Changing the size of the lanes might help. | 00:55:11 | |
But narrowing the road I don't think would help. | 00:55:14 | |
But putting in a sidewalk would help. But I think there is an easement. | 00:55:17 | |
If I'm not mistaken, on every Rd. | 00:55:21 | |
That's given that's built into. | 00:55:24 | |
The planning. | 00:55:27 | |
I may be mistaken, but I think. | 00:55:29 | |
That's the case in most areas. | 00:55:31 | |
Thank you. | 00:55:34 | |
OK, thanks. | 00:55:35 | |
I failed to read in while. | 00:55:40 | |
Anybody else out there is trying to get the courage to speak? | 00:55:44 | |
Umm, we did have an e-mail from Brian Horan, who's the traffic consultant for Mr. Hilton, who's. | 00:55:48 | |
Wrote us an e-mail clarification and then a. | 00:55:54 | |
Written comment from Brian and Dina Jackman at. | 00:55:58 | |
4644 S Chapel Dr. And they're what they were in opposition. | 00:56:02 | |
Those are the only two e-mail comments we got today. | 00:56:07 | |
Good evening. My name is Rob Etherington. I live. I've been mentioned earlier, I live on 2541 E Murray Holiday Rd. We've lived | 00:56:16 | |
there. | 00:56:20 | |
About 11 years. | 00:56:23 | |
I also own the house across the street in which my grandchildren live, 2550 E Marie Holiday Road, and I also own. | 00:56:25 | |
Another daughter's home, 2658. | 00:56:31 | |
Not to talk about all these homes, but to emphasize. | 00:56:34 | |
Sorry, hope you're a good landlord. Yeah, yeah. | 00:56:38 | |
My daughter's still like me. | 00:56:41 | |
But to mention rather that when we moved here from California, we found Holiday to be an extraordinary place. We didn't know it | 00:56:43 | |
before we came. I wasn't familiar with the town. | 00:56:47 | |
I mostly came here because my daughter that lives at 2658 is a special needs daughter and she was able to get around. | 00:56:52 | |
To her workplace via our excellent traffic system. | 00:57:00 | |
And in the house across the street I've actually had all told 9 different grandchildren living as they had different needs. | 00:57:03 | |
And I am extraordinarily grateful for the police. | 00:57:10 | |
Taking good care of this where they can, they often sit in the park at the church parking lot that's immediately next to my house | 00:57:13 | |
where they tag people. | 00:57:18 | |
I'm thankful for all aspects of safety that the city emphasizes. | 00:57:23 | |
I would be quite pleased to support more stop signs, in fact on Murray Holiday Rd. I think they're quite effective there's. | 00:57:27 | |
One at the top Wander that works well. There's another one, an apple blossom up above that also works well. | 00:57:34 | |
Given all the development that's going on down by the Cottonwood Mall area, there is an extraordinary number of people that are | 00:57:39 | |
coming up Murray Holiday Road to go of course, to 45th or to the freeway or. | 00:57:45 | |
For both, and they're often traveling to Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:57:50 | |
I am also extraordinarily grateful for sidewalks. We didn't build our house, but when it was put in there, a sidewalk was | 00:57:55 | |
mandated, as I understood from the previous owner. | 00:58:00 | |
I would be quite happy to put a sidewalk in on my house across the street as well so that the Chapel Dr. comes down past my area | 00:58:06 | |
if I ever develop that property. | 00:58:10 | |
In other words, I'm a big fan of sidewalks. | 00:58:15 | |
I'm also a big fan of not street parking. That is generally not the case on Margie and Owens and my section. We're very thankful | 00:58:17 | |
for that. | 00:58:23 | |
There's rarely cars cars there. Almost never. | 00:58:28 | |
And by consequence, the many children that are coming from the junior high. | 00:58:31 | |
Or the elementary walking on that street have wide paths and even flow through to see all the traffic. | 00:58:35 | |
And I'm especially also grateful for the crosswalk on Chapel. As was mentioned, my grandkids crossed that street all the time. | 00:58:43 | |
So finally, thanks again for paying the money to put the flashing sign that keeps people knowing that they're above 25. | 00:58:50 | |
MPH All efforts in that respect are useful with respect to Ron Hilton's proposal. | 00:58:58 | |
I'm actually. | 00:59:05 | |
Relatively fond. | 00:59:06 | |
Accepting the things I've mentioned. Stop sign traffic lights. | 00:59:08 | |
Striping as to where we presently are, because I've not. | 00:59:12 | |
Fully understood and Rana, I've talked about this at length, how this process through phases. | 00:59:17 | |
Encourages the safety. So I'm going to leave that to experts that understand with respect to how the phasing would work or how it | 00:59:22 | |
might encourage safety, but wanted to publicly state thank you for all you do to encourage safety in our sweet town. | 00:59:29 | |
Thank you. Appreciate it. | 00:59:35 | |
Hi. | 00:59:43 | |
I live. | 00:59:49 | |
Close to Murray Holiday Rd. but that street is. | 00:59:50 | |
Extremely. | 00:59:54 | |
Busy and has been. | 00:59:56 | |
Anytime the Cottonwood Mall was. | 00:59:58 | |
Active and moving. | 01:00:01 | |
That road is so busy. | 01:00:02 | |
And then without the Cottonwood Mall, it's really calmed down, but it's building up again. | 01:00:05 | |
And we live. We've lived in our home for. | 01:00:10 | |
36 years and I grew up on Water Lane. | 01:00:15 | |
And I. | 01:00:18 | |
Think that. | 01:00:20 | |
Hinton has done a wonderful job. | 01:00:22 | |
Taking his time and effort. | 01:00:25 | |
To present something from the community. | 01:00:27 | |
And I think that. | 01:00:30 | |
I've been to a few of these meetings about some other issues. | 01:00:33 | |
On Murray Holiday Rd. | 01:00:37 | |
And the public. | 01:00:38 | |
Was there, but not much. | 01:00:40 | |
Changed. | 01:00:43 | |
And so I would. I would. | 01:00:44 | |
Request that you. | 01:00:46 | |
Truly consider. | 01:00:48 | |
The work that he's done and the citizens and their comments tonight. | 01:00:50 | |
And I think it's important. | 01:00:54 | |
That they are recognized for the work that they're doing. | 01:00:58 | |
And thank you for listening. | 01:01:01 | |
Thank you. | 01:01:02 | |
I'm not seeing anybody else stand up. | 01:01:19 | |
OK. | 01:01:24 | |
Going once, Going once. Auctioneer Valley. | 01:01:27 | |
All right. | 01:01:30 | |
We're gonna. | 01:01:34 | |
Go ahead and close this public hearing. | 01:01:35 | |
I anticipate that this will be voted on on March 6th is our next. | 01:01:38 | |
Council meeting. We've got a little bit of delay. I don't see any reason why this will not be on the agenda for a vote. | 01:01:43 | |
Again, for those that are interested, you're welcome to. | 01:01:50 | |
To stay and. | 01:01:53 | |
We may just stay over here just for that particular item. | 01:01:55 | |
Since we've got a number of people and it's the first item on the agenda if people want to listen in on. | 01:01:58 | |
Discussion and then we'll move across the whole after that. | 01:02:04 | |
All right. With that, we will move to item number six, which is a consent agenda. These are minutes from November 21st, December | 01:02:09 | |
12th. | 01:02:13 | |
There were no questions in the work meeting. I just, I'd be happy to take a motion. | 01:02:16 | |
Hold on just a second. | 01:02:24 | |
How long did you want to take? | 01:02:36 | |
OK, come on up. | 01:02:39 | |
So first of all, I want to say I'm really glad that this meeting has happened. | 01:02:46 | |
It's been a long time coming to be able to hear from the residents. | 01:02:49 | |
And. | 01:02:53 | |
I totally get what people are saying about. | 01:02:55 | |
You know the inconvenience of narrowing the road. | 01:02:58 | |
You know a lot of times when they when they step up enforcement. | 01:03:04 | |
In an area, it's the residents that get the tickets. | 01:03:08 | |
You know, it's it's not not convenient sometimes. | 01:03:12 | |
But I think another problem. | 01:03:18 | |
That's been alluded to. | 01:03:21 | |
And has come before this Council before, is the cut through traffic problem. | 01:03:23 | |
Like going down water or Russell Lane between. | 01:03:27 | |
Marie Holiday and 45th. It's kind of a convenient shortcut. | 01:03:31 | |
And the fact that Murray Holiday is viewed as. | 01:03:35 | |
A major thoroughfare kind of makes that an attractive. | 01:03:37 | |
You know, shortcut to take. | 01:03:40 | |
And so I think this. | 01:03:44 | |
This would you know. | 01:03:47 | |
This may be the solution to that. | 01:03:49 | |
The idea? | 01:03:51 | |
One way roads was considered at one point and. | 01:03:53 | |
You know, I was too inconvenient for the residents, so they didn't want to do that. | 01:03:55 | |
But uh. | 01:03:59 | |
I think there is a certain amount of inconvenience. | 01:04:01 | |
In living. | 01:04:06 | |
In a residential neighborhood as opposed to a. | 01:04:07 | |
You know, Major St. The whole character of the street would change. | 01:04:11 | |
Acknowledge that. | 01:04:16 | |
One comment that was made about the easement and isn't there already an easement? | 01:04:18 | |
So I checked with the county on this. | 01:04:23 | |
There, there is no. | 01:04:27 | |
So the the currently paved portion. | 01:04:29 | |
Of the road that is the entirety of the right of way. | 01:04:33 | |
And actually in many cases, including our property. | 01:04:37 | |
The private property lines go to the middle of the road, so. | 01:04:40 | |
The easement is a prescriptive Rd. | 01:04:43 | |
Easement that. | 01:04:46 | |
Just out of. | 01:04:47 | |
Use has become public, right? | 01:04:49 | |
But to add sidewalk. | 01:04:52 | |
Beyond where it's already paved. | 01:04:55 | |
That would either require eminent domain. | 01:04:56 | |
Or the exaction process, you know, if somebody's doing a development. | 01:04:59 | |
So there really is no. | 01:05:02 | |
Easement for that. | 01:05:04 | |
And and so that's why I say it would be far less expensive to put it where there already is the right of way basically in place of | 01:05:06 | |
the asphalt. | 01:05:10 | |
Put the sidewalk there. But anyway, I just wanted to clarify that. | 01:05:13 | |
Thank you. | 01:05:17 | |
Thank you. | 01:05:18 | |
Did we get a motion? | 01:05:21 | |
This Mayor motion for approval of the Minutes for November 21st in December 12th, 2024. | 01:05:22 | |
2nd. | 01:05:29 | |
Motion is second. All in favor say aye aye. | 01:05:30 | |
Aye, any opposed? | 01:05:34 | |
Consent agenda passes. Thank you. OK, Now we'll hear from Christian Larson, who's. | 01:05:37 | |
Going to cover the financial report. This is in your packet. | 01:05:42 | |
And Kristen does a good job of kind of going through the comparative numbers and. | 01:05:46 | |
Also making some notes where he thinks you might want to pay attention to that particular line item. | 01:05:52 | |
It's all yours. | 01:05:58 | |
Just give Jonathan. | 01:06:01 | |
All right, good evening, Mayor and Council. We're going to start with our citywide summary of revenue. | 01:06:06 | |
And I just listed a few items I'd like to point out just. | 01:06:11 | |
As notable on this first statement. | 01:06:16 | |
1st I want to pull up the licenses and permits line. | 01:06:19 | |
You'll notice that we are. | 01:06:23 | |
Currently already reached our budgeted revenue on this line and. | 01:06:25 | |
To this point in the year, we're actually 180% beyond what we were at last year at this point. | 01:06:28 | |
And I looked into this with John and we found that primarily it's coming from two major developments specifically on Highland | 01:06:33 | |
Drive and also on. | 01:06:38 | |
Holiday Hills. So those are two major permits that are contributing largely to that increase for this year. | 01:06:42 | |
The next thing I wanted to mention. | 01:06:48 | |
The RDA Holiday Village other revenue line. | 01:06:51 | |
You'll notice we're almost 300% of budget right now. | 01:06:54 | |
And that's primarily due to the way that interest allocations being calculated. Historically, we've done it at the end of the | 01:06:58 | |
fiscal year. | 01:07:01 | |
And starting in fiscal year 25, I've started doing it monthly. So rather than having it all appear at the end of the year, I'm now | 01:07:05 | |
doing it monthly so it will appear throughout the year and that's why it looks a little higher. | 01:07:10 | |
In the prior year. | 01:07:15 | |
Can I ask a question real fast? Yeah, capital projects impact fee revenues. | 01:07:19 | |
There's a 915% of. | 01:07:24 | |
2 lines are down from where you just were. | 01:07:29 | |
Yes. What was your question on that one? | 01:07:31 | |
It just is. It's high. It's high, Yeah. I don't have that number off the top of my head. I'll look into that and I'll send you an | 01:07:32 | |
e-mail. | 01:07:36 | |
Thank you. | 01:07:39 | |
OK, so this. | 01:07:53 | |
This next statement is just a breakdown of the tax line from the previous statement. It's breaking it out into more individual | 01:07:54 | |
lines and I just wanted to call. | 01:07:58 | |
Attention to the property tax line which it shows that we're slightly below what we were at last year, even though we did do a | 01:08:02 | |
property tax increase this year and that's really just to do with the timing of when the county collects the. | 01:08:08 | |
The property tax and distributes this to us, it's somewhat volatile in that sense, so. | 01:08:14 | |
We would expect that by the end of the fiscal year, we will be where we projected the budget. | 01:08:19 | |
The next one I want to call out is the sales tax line. We're trending 4% above what we were at last year, which is great. | 01:08:24 | |
And then finally, I wanted to call attention to the Google Fiber line. You'll notice we don't have any actuals yet for this year. | 01:08:31 | |
And we did actually receive a distribution. So you should be seeing that on the next statement. | 01:08:39 | |
Next one, this is our citywide summary of expenditures. So essentially this is going line by line and summarizing every department | 01:08:49 | |
just as one line. | 01:08:52 | |
And I've called out anything that's. | 01:08:56 | |
Above 50% of budgeted revenue or budgeted expenses. | 01:08:58 | |
So the first one I want to look at is the. | 01:09:03 | |
City Council department, it's about 6% above 50%, which it's just a little bit high because of a League of Cities and Towns | 01:09:05 | |
invoice that was paid. | 01:09:10 | |
And that's paid annually. So it's really just a timing difference with that one. | 01:09:15 | |
#2 We're looking at City Hall, and that's due to. | 01:09:19 | |
That one's a little high as well. That's due to an insurance payment, which again, is paid annually. It's a timing. | 01:09:23 | |
Difference. | 01:09:27 | |
#3 that's just the UFA contract paid quarterly. We paid 3/4 worth. | 01:09:30 | |
Or blue moon. It's just a timing thing with the events. | 01:09:34 | |
When they occur during the year. Same thing with Plan Air. | 01:09:38 | |
And then the concert events and then #7 which is one we've discussed previously, that's the fire hydrant maintenance contract with | 01:09:41 | |
Salt Lake City. | 01:09:45 | |
And then #8 is just debt service payments, which is paid twice a year, so. | 01:09:49 | |
Next is the Arts Fund. There's nothing particularly interesting. | 01:09:58 | |
In this department there's lots of interesting things they're doing, but nothing very interesting in the budget, I'd say. | 01:10:02 | |
The one thing I did? Hallelujah. | 01:10:08 | |
The other thing I wanted to call attention to is. | 01:10:12 | |
Potential future budget amendment that might be coming to this fund that's in salaries and benefits. There's been some discussion | 01:10:14 | |
surrounding potentially looking at. | 01:10:18 | |
Hiring a seasonal arts and culture coordinator, and that would likely require a budget amendment. | 01:10:22 | |
OK. Next is the grants fund. | 01:10:30 | |
Again, nothing super notable here. I just wanted to call out that there's a potential grant on the horizon that would also require | 01:10:33 | |
a budget amendment. | 01:10:37 | |
It's a TRCC grant that's for the auditorium. | 01:10:41 | |
Remodel. | 01:10:45 | |
And so it's a $25,000 grant and it's going to require $2500 match from the city. | 01:10:47 | |
But that's that's yet to be closed on. So did the County Council vote on that? | 01:10:52 | |
Councilmember Romero. | 01:10:57 | |
No comment. | 01:11:01 | |
Next, we're looking at the Cottonwood Mall RDA. I just wanted to call attention to the fact that our property tax increment we're | 01:11:04 | |
about 5% above where we were last year. So that's looking good. | 01:11:09 | |
Going to the next fund, we have the Holiday Village, same thing here, property tax increments a little bit better than we were | 01:11:15 | |
last year and we also have the interest earning within this fund and and that calls back to what I previously talked about with | 01:11:20 | |
the allocation of the interest revenue. | 01:11:25 | |
OK. Now we're on the capital projects fund. | 01:11:34 | |
And again, the interest line on here, you can see and the mayor actually called this one out specifically as well. You can see we | 01:11:37 | |
have $318,000 worth of revenue and nothing is budgeted there yet. | 01:11:43 | |
And that's to do with the allocations and it's likely going to be a future budget amendment as well. | 01:11:48 | |
And then the first note, if you look in the expense section, you can see that's the fire hydrant maintenance. We previously | 01:11:55 | |
discussed that. | 01:11:59 | |
The Cooperative. | 01:12:03 | |
Holiday Water Company. | 01:12:04 | |
Excuse me #2? | 01:12:07 | |
This is an invoice that was paid to the Holiday Water Company, that's for the fire suppression and that's also a fire hydrant | 01:12:08 | |
maintenance item. | 01:12:11 | |
And then #3 is the park resurfacing and #4 is the. | 01:12:15 | |
Village crosswalk materials and both of those are timing difference issues. | 01:12:21 | |
OK. Next is the debt service fund. And as I previously mentioned, it's paid twice a year. | 01:12:26 | |
In accordance with the debt service schedule. So we should expect to see those at 100% by the end of the fiscal year. | 01:12:34 | |
Finally, the stormwater fund. | 01:12:43 | |
The only thing here that I really wanted to call attention to is. | 01:12:46 | |
Those last four items that are highlighted, those are the stormwater bond projects that Jared is working very hard to get done. | 01:12:49 | |
So that we can have the bond funds spent before the end of the three-year. | 01:12:56 | |
So any questions? | 01:13:01 | |
So I assume we are. | 01:13:04 | |
We have a budget of 10 million and we have currently spent 4.6 million. | 01:13:08 | |
And I'm assuming that we have work in process that's going to. | 01:13:14 | |
Basically. | 01:13:19 | |
Use up the balance there, Jared. | 01:13:21 | |
Within at least 80%. | 01:13:27 | |
Right. The goal is to get under the 80%, and the 4.6 that you're referencing there also includes the other items that aren't bond | 01:13:29 | |
projects. | 01:13:33 | |
So that also includes personnel, benefits, maintenance. | 01:13:37 | |
So the bond projects specifically are the ones that fall in that 55700 category. So it's not all of those lines, it's just the | 01:13:40 | |
55700. | 01:13:44 | |
GL accounts What's our? | 01:13:50 | |
What's our timeline on that? | 01:13:52 | |
And yes, OK, yeah, Jared and I have met and we have a plan in place to make sure that. | 01:14:02 | |
Happens. | 01:14:07 | |
Excellent. OK, Thank you. Thanks. | 01:14:10 | |
Appreciate it. Great report. Thanks Christian. | 01:14:13 | |
All right. | 01:14:19 | |
Legislative update. City manager report. | 01:14:21 | |
Both. | 01:14:25 | |
So I have a couple of I've got some good news and some bad news. University. | 01:14:27 | |
All right. | 01:14:34 | |
I just wanted to give the Council. | 01:14:35 | |
Heads up that one of our large pine trees and Olympus Pines park. | 01:14:38 | |
Work needs to be removed. | 01:14:45 | |
So we've had over the last, I'd say 18 months of at least three different arborists have looked at the tree. We've tried some | 01:14:48 | |
treatments in the past. | 01:14:53 | |
We're concerned both about safety. | 01:14:58 | |
Should should that tree fall on either of the adjacent roads or or homes nearby? | 01:15:03 | |
And then concerned about the potential for disease of adjacent trees, so. | 01:15:08 | |
This has been discussed is my understanding with the tree committee. They are aware that this will. | 01:15:14 | |
Happen in the next. | 01:15:19 | |
Couple of weeks and I just wanted to make sure it was on the Council's agenda or. | 01:15:21 | |
Radar as well. So the obvious question is. | 01:15:26 | |
Do we know why? | 01:15:31 | |
And what about the other trees? | 01:15:33 | |
And I will look to Jared to come address those specific questions. | 01:15:38 | |
This tree has been on our radar for. | 01:15:46 | |
Four plus years. | 01:15:49 | |
We have. | 01:15:51 | |
Had arborists treated for diseases. | 01:15:52 | |
For that period of time, those treatments are not. | 01:15:56 | |
Abating the disease and it's. | 01:16:00 | |
Basically pest. | 01:16:04 | |
Have killed it. | 01:16:06 | |
There are a couple different. | 01:16:09 | |
With the three arborists that have looked at it, there's not 100% consensus on it, but there is also some overcrowding concerns. | 01:16:11 | |
Because it grows up, right? | 01:16:19 | |
Close to two other trees very closely. | 01:16:21 | |
What's the condition of the? | 01:16:24 | |
Other trees in the park. | 01:16:25 | |
The other trees are looking pretty good and we are continuing to monitor all of those. This one has been on our radar. | 01:16:27 | |
As being a concern and we just haven't been able to. | 01:16:34 | |
Save it. | 01:16:38 | |
Is a tree committee know about that, you know. | 01:16:40 | |
Circle line another one. | 01:16:44 | |
I didn't want to start with the bad news, but there we were. Is that the only piece of bad news? It is the only piece of bad news | 01:16:48 | |
until we get to the legislative update. | 01:16:53 | |
So the good news? Don't read the Washington Post today either, hands. | 01:16:58 | |
Earlier this week we had our annual leadership meeting with our boards and committees. So once a year we gather. | 01:17:04 | |
Each of the staff liaisons the chair. | 01:17:12 | |
Of each of our board and commissions and staff, and we talk about things like the Open and Public Meetings Act. | 01:17:16 | |
Our budget process and then the really fun part of the conversation is. | 01:17:26 | |
Each chair gets a chance to report on their plans for their. | 01:17:31 | |
Board and committee. | 01:17:38 | |
And then we get to watch some interaction between those board chairs. | 01:17:40 | |
So the Arts Council and the business Advisory Board chairs we're talking about possible. | 01:17:46 | |
Programming that they could do together. | 01:17:52 | |
At tree committee had some ideas. | 01:17:55 | |
It was a really great meeting. We spent about 3 hours. | 01:17:58 | |
Just watching. | 01:18:02 | |
Watching our residents. | 01:18:04 | |
Come together with some great ideas to enhance our community and so I wanted to make sure the Council was aware of that. | 01:18:06 | |
In terms of our legislative update. | 01:18:15 | |
We have we're monitoring a number of housing bills. | 01:18:18 | |
There are at least seven or eight and there's been a lot of movement on the bills, so I don't want to spend a ton of time talking | 01:18:23 | |
about. | 01:18:27 | |
Until we have a real sense of what's going to go forward. | 01:18:32 | |
Given your meeting schedule though. | 01:18:35 | |
All of that might happen before you meet again, so I'll try and keep you informed in e-mail about that. | 01:18:39 | |
AT1 extreme is a bill that would permit single family dwelling units. | 01:18:48 | |
On 4000 square feet in any residential zone. | 01:18:55 | |
So that's one we're. | 01:18:59 | |
Obviously monitoring closely doesn't seem like there is a ton of movement there. | 01:19:01 | |
But there is another bill that would permit cities to adopt density overlay in any housing eligible zone. | 01:19:07 | |
Beginning in a couple of years. | 01:19:14 | |
Sounds like that bill is going to change too, so. | 01:19:16 | |
We'll just keep monitoring it and let you know if there is any outreach we need to do. | 01:19:20 | |
We talked a little bit about House Bill 290, the bike lane bill. That one looks like it has a lot of momentum and we think that | 01:19:27 | |
would be a good thing for our city. | 01:19:32 | |
There is a massive bill on land use, which I will admit I haven't cracked beyond the 4th page. I don't know, Todd, whether you've | 01:19:38 | |
read it in its entirety. | 01:19:43 | |
Stay tuned on that one. I understand there are changes there too. | 01:19:50 | |
There is a bill. | 01:19:55 | |
Which we had previewed in the fall that would. | 01:19:57 | |
Move the state celebration of Juneteenth. | 01:20:00 | |
To the federal holiday. | 01:20:05 | |
Which is. | 01:20:07 | |
The direction we had moved away from just last year. | 01:20:08 | |
So we would be going back to celebrating it on the 19th. | 01:20:12 | |
And that's when you adopted our employee handbook changes. | 01:20:17 | |
You reflected, whatever the state does will do too. So it sounds like we're moving to correspond with the federal holiday instead | 01:20:22 | |
of the longer weekend that the state previously had. | 01:20:28 | |
The final bill that I wanted to make you aware of is Bill that. | 01:20:35 | |
Is definitely moving and it is House Bill 48. | 01:20:41 | |
It is a wildland urban interface. | 01:20:45 | |
Amendment Bill and it is meant to address some of the risks of wildfire. | 01:20:48 | |
In urban interface areas, based on the information that's publicly available right now. | 01:20:54 | |
It could apply and would likely to apply to significant parts of holiday. | 01:21:03 | |
Currently, Holiday participates in a cooperative agreement with the state that requires that we spend a certain amount of money. | 01:21:09 | |
Doing things like education, prevention and mitigation around wildfire risks in our community. | 01:21:17 | |
We do that in cooperation with USA. | 01:21:24 | |
In return the state basically. | 01:21:27 | |
Assures us that they would assume our cost for suppressing a catastrophic wildfire in our community. | 01:21:30 | |
Not surprisingly, that has resulted in some considerable cost to the state. | 01:21:38 | |
In addition, there has been ongoing challenges in many communities, including our own. | 01:21:44 | |
Where homeowners have. | 01:21:51 | |
Some difficulty in securing homeowners insurance. | 01:21:53 | |
Or they are seeing tremendous increases in their rates. | 01:21:58 | |
And that's something that this bill is trying to address. The bill would require that we adopt wildland urban interface building | 01:22:02 | |
code standards. | 01:22:06 | |
It's not yet 100% clear whether that would be citywide or just in those interface areas. | 01:22:11 | |
And that's something we're trying to work through with both our. | 01:22:19 | |
The spout of fours and with UFA and it's likely to be determined through a rulemaking process, assuming this bill passes. | 01:22:23 | |
What's also important to know is that the the bill would create a program at the county level. | 01:22:32 | |
And the county would then assess. | 01:22:38 | |
And collect a fee. | 01:22:41 | |
For the property owners, both commercial and residential, in those high those urban wildland interface areas would pay. | 01:22:44 | |
The estimate in the fiscal note right now is about $52 a year. | 01:22:52 | |
And that those fees would be deposited in a state mitigation fund. | 01:22:56 | |
Sorry, Gina, what was the mechanism on that? Did you say it was through property taxes for those it is. It's a fee. | 01:23:04 | |
The collection mechanism is not. | 01:23:10 | |
Clear to me because I it can't be added. These can't be added to property tax. | 01:23:12 | |
So I think that is a yet to be determined. | 01:23:18 | |
Mechanism. Umm. | 01:23:21 | |
And then whether that will vary, I think a previous iteration of the bill, it looked like there was going to be some variance | 01:23:25 | |
based on square footage. | 01:23:29 | |
Doesn't look like that's in the current version of the bill. | 01:23:34 | |
But that's something I think that could be determined through rulemaking as well. | 01:23:38 | |
So the building code standards, that's something we're really going to need to work through there. There would be some | 01:23:44 | |
requirements around. | 01:23:47 | |
Building materials that could be used in those interface areas. | 01:23:52 | |
And some requirements around defensible space. | 01:23:58 | |
And John, I don't know if you have any other thoughts. | 01:24:01 | |
And anything the council should know about those building code standards? No, that's a really great overview. I mean, it's | 01:24:05 | |
something that there's still some question marks as to what this is going to be. | 01:24:09 | |
How it's going to be applied? | 01:24:14 | |
But it will require new construction to have some significant. | 01:24:16 | |
Considerations for. | 01:24:20 | |
Vending spaces when, when, and if there's a potential wildfire. | 01:24:21 | |
That occurs. | 01:24:25 | |
At a county level, there's the Foothill Canyon overlay zone where I believe, I'm guessing, and some of that comes down into | 01:24:27 | |
holiday, right? We had that issue over by Wasatch Blvd. and I would imagine that. | 01:24:33 | |
There's something because it's, you know, this applies to Brighton and up the canyons of that. So I'd imagine that they'll address | 01:24:38 | |
it through something similarly. | 01:24:42 | |
I think that is still to be determined. We do know that it's going to require some changes, some additional work for our plan | 01:24:49 | |
review and inspection processes. Don't yet know what that will look like, but that's something for the council to be aware of as | 01:24:54 | |
well. | 01:24:58 | |
Overall, I think. | 01:25:04 | |
We're supportive and would be. | 01:25:06 | |
Curious about your reaction, but I think. | 01:25:10 | |
The goal is good. The devil is going to be in the details in terms of implementation here and what that might mean for our | 01:25:12 | |
community. | 01:25:15 | |
That's it. | 01:25:24 | |
Be any questions. | 01:25:25 | |
Anything else, Regina? | 01:25:28 | |
Yeah, I haven't even received anything from the SPATA force, so it seems pretty. | 01:25:30 | |
Light so far, but maybe it just hasn't. | 01:25:34 | |
It seems like it picks up right towards the end, so we'll see what happens. | 01:25:38 | |
Sorry, your concern on that last one is largely just the administrative burden of dealing with a different building code for some | 01:25:42 | |
section of the city is that is that? | 01:25:46 | |
I think my other outstanding question there is whether the bill requires that the municipality adopt. | 01:25:50 | |
Build these building code standards. It's not yet. | 01:25:58 | |
Clear to me, and I don't think the bill is clear whether that would apply to everything that is built in the city or just within | 01:26:01 | |
those interface. | 01:26:07 | |
Areas umm. | 01:26:12 | |
And I think that could have implications for cost. | 01:26:14 | |
That might work against some of our other goals. | 01:26:19 | |
OK, thanks. | 01:26:25 | |
OK, we'll start with council reports, Emily, if you want to start and we'll just work our way down the. | 01:26:27 | |
The line. | 01:26:32 | |
OK, I'm going to pull up. | 01:26:34 | |
A couple of things. At first it looks like Jared left. I just wanted to appreciate all of his work we have had. | 01:26:39 | |
A lot of pipe retrofitting in our neighborhood that. | 01:26:49 | |
Has been very involved and we just we appreciate. | 01:26:54 | |
The benefits that come from the Stormwater Fund and Jared. | 01:26:58 | |
Work on that. | 01:27:02 | |
For us in our neighborhood. | 01:27:03 | |
The second thing that I wanted to address. | 01:27:05 | |
Is Cottonwood High School is looking for volunteers? | 01:27:07 | |
People who are interested in reading with ESL students. English is a second language students. | 01:27:11 | |
For this group you need to be over 18. | 01:27:18 | |
They're pretty flexible on time, but. | 01:27:21 | |
They're really great kids that attend Cottonwood High School. They just. | 01:27:25 | |
Would like to have people to read with them, so if you or somebody that you know is looking to volunteer, this is a great | 01:27:28 | |
opportunity. | 01:27:31 | |
To help some wonderful students. | 01:27:34 | |
Common high school and that is all I have for tonight. | 01:27:37 | |
OK, true. | 01:27:39 | |
I am very happy to announce that the. | 01:27:43 | |
Community renewable energy agencies. | 01:27:47 | |
Program application has finally been. | 01:27:50 | |
Submitted to the Public Service Commission. | 01:27:53 | |
After well, I think we started on in 2021. So this is. | 01:27:56 | |
Long. | 01:28:01 | |
Long-awaited and excited about it and I'll keep you updated on. | 01:28:03 | |
How how it how it goes? | 01:28:09 | |
Something 1 issue a little bit closer to home. | 01:28:12 | |
I have had several calls about raccoons lately. | 01:28:15 | |
And I explained to the resident. | 01:28:19 | |
That. | 01:28:23 | |
In order to actually participate again in the. | 01:28:24 | |
Countrywide program, which we used to and it just got too expensive. | 01:28:29 | |
Is that we would have to have. | 01:28:33 | |
A number of residents that would need. | 01:28:35 | |
This service so if anyone on the council has any other raccoon infestations please let me know. | 01:28:38 | |
My dog barks with a big one every night at about 7:00. | 01:28:47 | |
OK, maybe we could get the deer to attack. | 01:28:50 | |
We do. Thank you. You do. We also have a lovely neighbor who likes to feed the raccoons. So it's a little tricky, but that is | 01:28:56 | |
tricky. | 01:28:59 | |
OK, anyway. | 01:29:03 | |
That's all I have, I think just. | 01:29:04 | |
Very, very briefly, I think, you know, we did participate in that. It was. | 01:29:06 | |
The problem was it just wasn't. | 01:29:10 | |
We weren't able to really mitigate the problem. | 01:29:13 | |
And it's just such a big problem that we just turned it back to the residents and said it's just. | 01:29:16 | |
Not something the government say. It's kind of like the deer issue. We're just not able to really affect it so. | 01:29:23 | |
They just have to call private people to come and get rid of them. | 01:29:28 | |
As I recall, the cost per raccoon was. | 01:29:32 | |
Yeah. | 01:29:35 | |
$1000, of course. Yeah. Well, yeah, we eliminate 7:00 or 8:00, but there's literally hundreds of them in the city. It's just. | 01:29:36 | |
My only thing is the tiny art show. The art is hung down in the gallery and so the show officially starts. | 01:29:45 | |
Tomorrow night I understand the concert element at 7:00 PM is sold out. | 01:29:51 | |
But the art show will be going on. | 01:29:55 | |
All week starting tomorrow night through. | 01:29:58 | |
The following week. | 01:30:01 | |
This coming week, I should say, and the years I've been attending that tiny art show, it is amazing. | 01:30:02 | |
Super fun, I encourage everybody. | 01:30:08 | |
To take a stroll down the art gallery floor downstairs. | 01:30:10 | |
In the next week and enjoy that. | 01:30:15 | |
To live. | 01:30:17 | |
I just want to remind everybody about treetops at the library this Saturday from 11:50. | 01:30:20 | |
This is one of their more popular programming. It's. | 01:30:26 | |
Prunings. Fruit trees. | 01:30:29 | |
So it's probably going to be crowded, so we get there early to get your seat. | 01:30:31 | |
They're also plugging away on. | 01:30:36 | |
Their tree giveaway? | 01:30:39 | |
And their Arbor Day observations, observations that they do every year. | 01:30:40 | |
But one other thing that I think was really interesting, they're planning a commemorative planning of a tree. | 01:30:45 | |
In honor of the city's anniversary. | 01:30:50 | |
So it'll probably happen maybe this fall at Knudsen Park, but. | 01:30:53 | |
I understand they've been coordinating with them. | 01:30:57 | |
The parks people about that and the location. | 01:30:59 | |
I really don't have anything Mayor, the mosquito Abatement Committee or. | 01:31:06 | |
District will likely have a property tax increase this year, but it's been years they run. | 01:31:10 | |
Very, very frugally. | 01:31:15 | |
That's the only thing that's new. | 01:31:17 | |
As far as those that I'm involved with. | 01:31:18 | |
I know, right? | 01:31:21 | |
Umm, just very quickly, we've got a very nice letter from Victoria Shapiro, who lives in District 5. | 01:31:24 | |
Overall far down. I don't know if I. | 01:31:32 | |
Ordered that to the Council I gave the actual physical. | 01:31:35 | |
Letter to Gina just. | 01:31:37 | |
Wanted to. | 01:31:39 | |
Commend Jared for work he did to help him with a piece of property he had and then. | 01:31:40 | |
Also to. | 01:31:46 | |
Compliment Thomas and his crew on the work they do at Knutson Park to keep that a nice. | 01:31:48 | |
Piece of public space He walks his dog there every day and. | 01:31:53 | |
I ran into him and I said watch Ford. Somebody said, you know what, I will. And he took the time to write a nice letter and. | 01:31:57 | |
So kudos to them and congratulations to Thomas. I think that's. | 01:32:02 | |
Public, isn't it? | 01:32:06 | |
He's engaged so. | 01:32:08 | |
Good for him. | 01:32:10 | |
And just to put on everybody's radar now that we're talking about urban interface, I got a letter from. | 01:32:12 | |
A couple that lives up in the Hughes Canyon area really concerned about fire issues. | 01:32:19 | |
And last year, I'm not sure they knew that we actually restrict. | 01:32:25 | |
Fireworks in that area east of 215 and most of the Cottonwood. | 01:32:31 | |
Walker Lane area, anyway. | 01:32:36 | |
But with. | 01:32:38 | |
What I'm seeing as being the current precipitation totals. | 01:32:40 | |
I think that's going to be an issue this year that you might want to think about come. | 01:32:43 | |
Usually it's about April timeframe we have to make. | 01:32:47 | |
Our determination with. | 01:32:50 | |
UFA into the county on whether we're going to restrict, but I think there's probably a pretty good chance we're going to end up | 01:32:53 | |
debating. | 01:32:56 | |
Whether we want to restrict fireworks in the entirety of holiday again this year, especially in light of what we just saw? | 01:32:59 | |
In Southern California, in California, so. | 01:33:07 | |
Anyway. | 01:33:10 | |
I don't need a comment, just kind of a heads up. I think that's. | 01:33:12 | |
That's coming. | 01:33:15 | |
Umm, that's. | 01:33:17 | |
All I have. | 01:33:21 | |
So we'll stay over here. Let me ask you, John. | 01:33:22 | |
Would it be better? | 01:33:27 | |
We've got the lighting discussion, the code update. | 01:33:28 | |
ICS training. | 01:33:32 | |
Is it easier to stay here, or is it easier to move across the hall? | 01:33:33 | |
I have those presentations ready on both computers, so we might be more comfortable over there, but we can stay here. | 01:33:37 | |
OK, let's let's go ahead and. | 01:33:43 | |
Handle the public hearing and then we'll. | 01:33:45 | |
Move across the hall for the balance of it, if that's OK. So we'll just need a motion to recess. Then we'll take on the public | 01:33:48 | |
hearing. Mr. Mayor, we recess their City Council meeting and reconvene in a work meeting. | 01:33:52 | |
2nd. | 01:33:57 | |
All in favor say aye aye. | 01:33:59 | |
And we are officially recessed and in a work session. | 01:34:02 | |
And as I stated, we will start with a open discussion on the proposed text amendment that was reviewed by. | 01:34:05 | |
The applicant. | 01:34:14 | |
I think I. | 01:34:16 | |
Probably stated my position already unless anybody needs any clarity, but I'm happy to open it up. | 01:34:18 | |
For questions. | 01:34:23 | |
The applicant still here. | 01:34:24 | |
John still here, so any clarifying questions you have? | 01:34:27 | |
Now is the time or comments. | 01:34:30 | |
My only one would be maybe for Jared or John, just in your professional capacities, of course. | 01:34:33 | |
I'm a banker accountant. I know nothing about traffic. | 01:34:38 | |
Safety parameters and whether the claim. | 01:34:43 | |
Of narrowing in the road is indeed traffic. | 01:34:45 | |
As a sense of traffic calming or safety because. | 01:34:49 | |
My presumption was otherwise because I know that. | 01:34:53 | |
I think my street Woodcrest got center lined. | 01:34:56 | |
And that was supposed to be a traffic calming measure. And so the claim that the opposite is true confuses me a bit and I wonder | 01:34:59 | |
what the. | 01:35:02 | |
Professional view is of that. | 01:35:07 | |
Sure. | 01:35:10 | |
We do have. | 01:35:11 | |
On contract doctor Joe parent from a trans we can definitely have. | 01:35:12 | |
Him submit his comments based upon what is being presented for sure for you to review. | 01:35:17 | |
I do have on staff justice. | 01:35:23 | |
Two, for who is a transportation planner extraordinaire? He's our guru and that type of thing. | 01:35:26 | |
That says education background. | 01:35:31 | |
So we can definitely provide some comments on that. | 01:35:34 | |
Also on the. | 01:35:38 | |
That would be helpful I think. I don't do what the thinking is on. | 01:35:42 | |
That. | 01:35:48 | |
That my issue with that is. | 01:35:52 | |
Unless I'm wrong. | 01:35:56 | |
The narrowing of the lanes. | 01:35:58 | |
Is a separate issue from. | 01:36:01 | |
The request to execute on. | 01:36:04 | |
Text amending to reduce the lane size to 50 feet. | 01:36:08 | |
Right, we could. | 01:36:12 | |
We could achieve that. We could achieve that. | 01:36:15 | |
Painting of the lines. | 01:36:18 | |
Without doing any of that, that was kind of my point is that's a separate issue if. | 01:36:20 | |
If the data showed that. | 01:36:26 | |
Changing the the lane size from 11.4 inches to or 11 feet 4 inches to 10 feet. | 01:36:30 | |
Did indeed increase the safety which I've stated. You know, I'm happy to look at it. | 01:36:36 | |
That's a different issue than. | 01:36:42 | |
We're going to jog the road in. | 01:36:45 | |
And shrink down. | 01:36:48 | |
I don't know if it's shrinking the right away is the correct correct way to put it. That's a whole different discussion what | 01:36:49 | |
they're asking for. | 01:36:53 | |
Is to eventually say we're going to text them in your code. | 01:36:56 | |
To execute on what you see on phases 2 and 3:00. AM I getting that right Correct. And so my position is? | 01:37:00 | |
Probably aligned with the Planning Commission that. | 01:37:09 | |
I'm just not in favor of. | 01:37:12 | |
Making that physical adjustment. | 01:37:15 | |
I'm happy to look at. | 01:37:17 | |
Whether or not. | 01:37:19 | |
Shrinking the lane size is effective, but we don't have to execute on that other part. | 01:37:20 | |
But I also wanted to say that. | 01:37:26 | |
I've had some discussions with Justice. | 01:37:29 | |
And. | 01:37:32 | |
Somebody would have to convince us that that actually shrinking those lane sizes, especially when you're eliminating the middle, | 01:37:35 | |
the middle line, is actually effective. And from what I've heard, it may not be. | 01:37:41 | |
So that's essentially my question right there. That's a separate to me, that's a separate. | 01:37:47 | |
It's a separate issue from. | 01:37:52 | |
Text amending to execute on phases 2 and 3. | 01:37:55 | |
What, John, what data do we have on? | 01:37:59 | |
What the speeding situation is on that section of Murray Holiday Rd. | 01:38:01 | |
We do have that data. I don't have it. | 01:38:06 | |
Right at hand. Maybe a chief could maybe recall what that was during that study that he conducted. | 01:38:08 | |
We've done several over there over the last several years. I've got several. | 01:38:14 | |
Yeah. | 01:38:19 | |
The 85th percentile is around 30 mph, which is 5. | 01:38:26 | |
MPH over the speed limit. | 01:38:31 | |
Which is pretty normal for a road of this. | 01:38:33 | |
Volume. | 01:38:38 | |
You do see. | 01:38:40 | |
Speeders. | 01:38:41 | |
In that 15 percentile that is well over the 30 mile per hour you can get up to what, 50? | 01:38:43 | |
So. | 01:38:51 | |
But you you will see that on pretty much any road. | 01:38:53 | |
In the city. | 01:38:57 | |
Yeah, I'm Murray Holiday. Upper Murray Holiday is a lot like Spring Lane. | 01:39:00 | |
Or it's residential, but it seems to be, you know, it's a collector for other. | 01:39:03 | |
Neighborhood roads and. | 01:39:08 | |
So this inherently is. | 01:39:10 | |
Little more volume and. | 01:39:11 | |
And thus more opportunity. | 01:39:13 | |
Goofballs to go a little fast. | 01:39:15 | |
That's one of the questions, you know, Emily shared. There was an e-mail response that she gave to a constituent about Holiday | 01:39:18 | |
Blvd. and the speed limits that throughout Holiday Blvd. | 01:39:23 | |
And how those speed limits are kind of determined, right? | 01:39:28 | |
And it's interesting that this stretch of morality, I mean it. | 01:39:32 | |
I don't know what this type of a road is considered. | 01:39:36 | |
What is it called Gina like? | 01:39:39 | |
It's a minor collector. A minor minor collector. | 01:39:42 | |
It's a primary residential, which is a higher classification than a secondary residential, OK. | 01:39:47 | |
In any case, at 25 miles an hour, I mean, that's. | 01:39:54 | |
Is that do we have speed limits that are lower than 25 miles an hour on residential roads in holiday? What's the what's the | 01:39:57 | |
default like? | 01:40:01 | |
You know, with the exception of a school zone, yeah. | 01:40:05 | |
25 mile. | 01:40:10 | |
Is the lowest. | 01:40:11 | |
And that's where. | 01:40:13 | |
I don't know, I drove this. There's been an ongoing issue and the safety, I don't think the safety concern could be overstated, | 01:40:14 | |
right, It's. | 01:40:18 | |
It's legitimate. | 01:40:23 | |
And we always, you know, it's, it's the whack a mole thing right where we're. | 01:40:24 | |
Speaking to the enforcement. | 01:40:28 | |
Question and that. | 01:40:30 | |
I guess it begs the question to me, is it realistic to expect? | 01:40:32 | |
25 miles an hour on this size of a Rd. | 01:40:36 | |
I don't know. | 01:40:41 | |
Uh. | 01:40:43 | |
And so that's where. | 01:40:47 | |
Mr. Atherton's comments kind of resonated with me. | 01:40:48 | |
Is there something that could break it up some? And and the other thing I'd love to know is if there's a. | 01:40:52 | |
A reasonable way to feel assured that we could know that there is in fact a lot of traffic that's cutting through. | 01:40:56 | |
I've grown up and lived in Holiday my whole life. | 01:41:03 | |
You know, and I can't think of a time that I've ever thought, oh, it might be faster to go up there and down wander that chokes | 01:41:06 | |
down significantly towards the, you know, Andrews. | 01:41:10 | |
You know, and and that and so. | 01:41:15 | |
Maybe, you know, does it warrant a stop sign at Russell Street or somewhere else that could break up the traffic, I guess, and | 01:41:18 | |
perhaps so. | 01:41:22 | |
Definitely think it's reasonable to. | 01:41:27 | |
Postulate the traffic could increase from ALDI Hills. | 01:41:31 | |
However, I understand that there's probably only like. | 01:41:34 | |
30 occupied units there or something. | 01:41:38 | |
I'm not sure exactly how many. | 01:41:42 | |
The number of trips that would be generated. | 01:41:44 | |
For for that section of Murray Holiday Road, from those units alone, I think you wouldn't even be able to. | 01:41:46 | |
Set a baseline and do a comparison. So I don't think that that's what's driving increase of traffic at this time. | 01:41:53 | |
And I don't think you're getting the speed. Yeah, no, sorry. I wasn't even referring to Holiday Hills. I was just saying that | 01:42:01 | |
people using that as a bypass to skirt the village essentially and to go to 23 E and 45th South. And yeah. | 01:42:07 | |
And so I don't know if there's cameras or if there's some way to. | 01:42:13 | |
To identify how legitimate that concern is, 'cause it was, it's been voiced by several. | 01:42:17 | |
Several people and I just don't, you know, I don't know. | 01:42:23 | |
So my recollection is that we have done some baseline traffic counts and then some additional traffic counts. The most recent was | 01:42:26 | |
probably in 2023 when we were looking at the Russell. | 01:42:33 | |
And wander one way. | 01:42:41 | |
We could certainly we can look at those and see if there has been an increase. I don't recall that we have ever seen that increase | 01:42:44 | |
though in the data. | 01:42:48 | |
But we can certainly take a closer look. | 01:42:53 | |
Yeah, that could be interesting. Yeah, tight. | 01:42:55 | |
You may not be familiar. | 01:42:59 | |
This was what, 3-4 years ago? | 01:43:01 | |
There was a lot of concern about. | 01:43:04 | |
Traffic on Wander and so we did have. | 01:43:07 | |
Our traffic engineer go in. | 01:43:09 | |
And really the only way to cut down. | 01:43:11 | |
The Wander does not have a speeding problem, but there are a lot of cars that do go around or go. | 01:43:16 | |
Like you say to. | 01:43:23 | |
To avoid 23rd. | 01:43:25 | |
And the only. | 01:43:27 | |
Solution was to make wander and. | 01:43:29 | |
Russell St. One way. | 01:43:32 | |
But the people that live on those streets do not want that. So I mean, it would definitely be inconvenient. | 01:43:35 | |
So but. | 01:43:43 | |
It's they're, they're small streets. | 01:43:47 | |
And. | 01:43:50 | |
My personal. | 01:43:51 | |
Opinion too. Is that making it? | 01:43:53 | |
Narrower. | 01:43:57 | |
Isn't going to slow anybody down. | 01:43:59 | |
So what's the process for deciding? | 01:44:02 | |
About additional stop signs. | 01:44:06 | |
So we would. | 01:44:09 | |
Identify a potential location and then it would go through a warrant analysis. | 01:44:11 | |
The warrant analysis looks at speeds, environmental conditions, stopping sight distance, volumes, those kind of things. | 01:44:17 | |
And then? | 01:44:25 | |
If it hits that threshold of yes. | 01:44:27 | |
Let's add in a stop sign. We could add them in. | 01:44:30 | |
There is an exception. | 01:44:34 | |
Within the warrant analysis that basically says if there's a political will for. | 01:44:37 | |
Stop sign to go in and. | 01:44:42 | |
It can go. | 01:44:44 | |
We have to be careful to not let it turn into far. | 01:44:46 | |
That has like. | 01:44:49 | |
Seven stop signs in like yes. | 01:44:51 | |
So this would get into. | 01:44:54 | |
Again, a discussion of this thing not related to the text amendment because. | 01:44:56 | |
You know, and we can, I could put justice on the spot here because my understanding is. | 01:45:01 | |
And I wanted to say, I thought, I thought I saw data that showed that the 85th percentile was 31. | 01:45:07 | |
Which is not. | 01:45:14 | |
Egregious is not egregious for a road like that. | 01:45:16 | |
And in our defense, we have done a lot of. | 01:45:20 | |
We've taken a lot of comment on that. We've done a lot of patrolling on that road. We've done speed studies, we've put in the. | 01:45:24 | |
What do you call it, Chief? | 01:45:30 | |
Speed reader the speed What's the speed? | 01:45:33 | |
This self Yeah self stat. | 01:45:36 | |
So if when you get to that point, there's other. | 01:45:39 | |
There's other options that should be considered before you narrow the lanes, am I right? | 01:45:43 | |
So that's a discussion I think we should have. I'm happy to have. | 01:45:49 | |
Based on based on it being data-driven. | 01:45:54 | |
But again, that's a separate discussion than what is being asked for in a text amendment that that's my, although I I think it | 01:45:57 | |
informs the discussion about the text amendment if we know there are other alternatives. | 01:46:02 | |
Yeah, yeah. I would agree with that. | 01:46:09 | |