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Always has to make an entrance. 00:00:02
All right. 00:00:14
OK, welcome everybody. I'm going to call the City of Holiday City Council meeting to order and welcome everybody here. This is the 00:00:19
biggest crowd we've ever had in the last. 00:00:23
Oh, since Cottonwood Mall, I think. 00:00:29
Anyway, we're happy to have you here. We always start with the pledge, so if I could please ask everybody to. 00:00:32
United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation and God. 00:00:38
Indiscernible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:52
OK, we're going to get right to it and get the public comment. OK, we so we don't have. 00:00:59
Have any public hearings this evening? 00:01:05
So the only. 00:01:08
Opportunity for residents to speak with the council is during public comment. 00:01:10
And we know why you're here. Except for Trudy. 00:01:16
With the library so. 00:01:20
So when we get to, when we get to the issue that I know. 00:01:24
The people are here to address the Council. I just want to talk a little bit about that so you understand. 00:01:28
Where the council's coming from, and I think you may already know, as I understand some of you have been to the Mill Creek City 00:01:33
Council meeting, Yes. 00:01:37
So when we have public comment, it's our opportunity as a City Council to listen to the concerns, whatever. 00:01:43
Members of the community want to bring up. 00:01:53
And we typically don't engage back and forth. So I just want you to know. 00:01:56
If we're not answering all your questions or addressing your concerns. 00:02:01
It's because that's not what happens during the public comment period. 00:02:07
So we, we are and I'm speaking specifically about the district split initiative that's been circulating out there. 00:02:12
We're all very familiar with it. Some of them received a few emails. 00:02:20
I've been on the phone today with Julie Jackson and Ben Horsley and other members of the community, so we are familiar with what 00:02:24
you're going to be talking with us about. 00:02:30
So #1 is. 00:02:35
We will never. 00:02:38
Persuade somebody not to address the council. If you're hearing you want to address the council, you're welcome to do it and we'll 00:02:41
stay here as long as everybody wants to come up and address us. We try to keep it to. 00:02:46
3 minutes for an individual and a Max of 5 minutes if somebody wants to speak on behalf of a group. Now I'm going to assume that 00:02:52
most of the people are here to support. 00:02:57
This umm. 00:03:03
District split or a feasibility study or whatever it is you want to talk about. 00:03:05
What is helpful to us and appreciated is if the same message is going to be delivered over and over, we love for somebody to come 00:03:10
and speak on behalf of the group. We're happy to. 00:03:15
Either have a raise of hands or people stand up who they're going to speak for so we get a sense of. 00:03:20
How many people are being represented so? 00:03:25
That's great for us because. 00:03:27
Obviously it allows us to get to the rest of the agenda, but. 00:03:30
This is your City Hall, this is your City Council, and as long as people want to keep coming up. 00:03:33
We're going to sit here and and listen to whatever you have to say till everybody's done. 00:03:38
So with that, OK, Emily, did I? 00:03:44
That all right, OK. We just want to make sure people understand. 00:03:48
We're here to listen to you, but we we. 00:03:52
Don't want you to feel if we're not engaging back and forth with you, we're ignoring you. It's just not what happens during public 00:03:55
comment. 00:03:58
Let me also say that. 00:04:02
I am. 00:04:05
I've been responding to I've only received about 5 or 6 emails on this. To be honest with you, I think I've responded to all of 00:04:06
them. One voicemail I never got a call back on. 00:04:10
I think the. 00:04:17
The. 00:04:19
That the people are concerned with were probably best. 00:04:21
Summarized in an e-mail I received and the rest of council received from. 00:04:25
Jed and Betsy Vandenberg, are they here? 00:04:32
Jed and Betsy. 00:04:35
OK, she, she, I'm assuming that. 00:04:39
Her and her husband sent. 00:04:43
Pretty long e-mail that detailed all the justifications that they think the city should be aware of. 00:04:45
So we have all that. The Council has all those facts in front of us and we've read all those. 00:04:51
But I'm actually. 00:04:58
Perfectly happy and as well as other council members to meet with. 00:05:00
A group of residents or single residents next week or the week after if you'd like, if you'd like to get one-on-one back and forth 00:05:05
and get more back and forth of the council. 00:05:09
Absolutely happy to do it. Just reach out to me and we'll schedule some time. 00:05:13
See how many people it is that want to meet so we can get appropriate space and time and we'll do that. So just reach out to me if 00:05:17
you want to do that after this meeting, if that's OK. 00:05:22
OK, with that, I'm going to open up public comments and because I know. 00:05:27
Oh, OK. Hi, we're just talking about you. 00:05:33
No worries. 00:05:37
I'm going to have Trudy go first because he's here from the library and she may not want to stay for all of the comment. 00:05:40
You may want to. 00:05:47
I'm the easiest customer all evening. 00:05:48
I'm Trudy. I'm from the library. Tax season is over. Yay. 00:05:51
I just wanted to let you know that with the assistance of the very generous AARP tax volunteers. 00:05:56
And my staff making appointments for them. 00:06:01
We had seven, almost 750 tax appointments. 00:06:04
At a certain point we had a wait list. We were able to move 42 people off of that wait list and into appointments and only had 22 00:06:09
people that we couldn't get to so. 00:06:13
That was awesome. 00:06:18
The seed library is still off and going, so if you haven't come in and gotten your seeds, you still have a chance. 00:06:20
This month we added an extra story time, so now there is story time on Monday mornings and Tuesday mornings. 00:06:26
And starting in May, from May through July, Monday story time is going to be at the gazebo in the park. So that will be fun and 00:06:32
kids can play on the. 00:06:37
On the equipment afterwards. 00:06:43
And the other fun thing to tell you about for today is on the 26th, Saturday the 26th. 00:06:45
We are going to be working with Clark Planetarium. 00:06:51
We have a program called Dark Skies for the Birds. It starts at 10:30. 00:06:54
And it's about. 00:06:59
Light pollution and bird migration. 00:07:00
And they will be teaching us about that. And then we've got some fun crafts for all ages. So come on over to the library. 00:07:04
Do you have any questions, anything for Trudy? 00:07:12
I'm just curious with the AARP. So that's volunteers. 00:07:15
Yes, yes they are. It's sponsored by AARP and they are volunteers who are certified by the IRS to do your taxes for you. 00:07:19
But people make appointments and they come and they are key volunteers. Fill out your taxes and he file them all for you. 00:07:29
It's just about everybody could use help with that. It's a fantastic service. They won't do them if you're complicated, if you've 00:07:36
got you know, but. 00:07:40
Most of us, most of us can use the AARP volunteers and you don't have to be a member of AARP or a senior citizen or anything like 00:07:44
that. Anybody can use their services when they're at the library. 00:07:49
All right. Thank you. Thanks, Trinity. 00:07:56
Let me ask before we keep going, is there anybody here that wants to address the Council? 00:08:00
That is not going to address the Council regarding the initiative about the district split. 00:08:05
Let's let's have you come on up first. 00:08:11
Just in case you don't want to stick around, I just want to make one comment. Name and address please. Jason Brand. 00:08:14
2051 Melody, Anne. 00:08:20
Way you'll remember us here a year ago talking about fireworks. I know it's that time of the year again and you'll be talking 00:08:22
about that today. 00:08:25
In the coming weeks. 00:08:29
Just wanted to remind and kind of bring up that like the Utah State law, as I understand it, allows for restriction of fireworks 00:08:32
based on. 00:08:35
Hazardous conditions not based on people not liking fireworks. So I like fireworks. My kids like fireworks. 00:08:39
Let's do fireworks this year. 00:08:46
Same. 00:08:53
David Stephenson, 255 Melanie. 00:08:58
Melanie Drive. 00:09:02
Drew, you're not my counselor. I move recently. It's. 00:09:03
It's a pleasure to see you. I also was here last year strongly in support of fireworks. Thank you so much for the decision you 00:09:06
made then. My kids have loved them. 00:09:10
I just wanted to thank you for that and give you those words of encouragement as you consider them. Again, thank you. 00:09:14
Thank you. 00:09:19
OK, I'm going to be the kill joint now as we get into the district. I think typically we don't do a lot of applauding during 00:09:22
council meetings, so maybe wait till the very end and you can do one big one. 00:09:28
OK. I think well, you can address the council on everything. I just wanted to make sure we got the folks that want to address the 00:09:36
council and other than that this district initiative out of the way. 00:09:40
So the podiums open again. Its name and address please. 00:09:45
And if you're speaking on behalf of a group, give us a sense of who that is. 00:09:49
And keep that to 5 minutes on behalf of the group and three minutes as individuals and just. 00:09:53
I don't have a list in front of me, so it's just. 00:09:59
Kind of a first come first serve so ever wants to get started. 00:10:02
Taylor Davis I'll admit I live in Mill Creek. 00:10:12
But I will say about the fireworks, I was very jealous that you guys let them do fireworks and Mill Creek did not. And not only 00:10:16
that, I came here for the fireworks show and I there was a drone show at Mill Creek. So it was a sad day and I sent emails also. 00:10:22
Didn't workout for me. 00:10:30
My name is Taylor Davis. You all got an e-mail from me before a meeting. What I want to just say is an apology if anybody felt 00:10:32
blindsided by it. 00:10:36
It wasn't our intention. 00:10:41
We're just a group of parents that love the schools. We're not well funded, we're just paying things out of our pockets. 00:10:43
We kind of got blindsided by the district with the school closures. 00:10:50
As you know, the first meeting was less than a month ago, so. 00:10:54
If it felt like we were trying to pull a shift on anybody, that wasn't the point. And the reason we had it here is it was the only 00:10:58
space. I mean, if you follow Julie Jackson, she's doing her stuff in the top of Harmon's because the libraries are so hard to get. 00:11:03
And so there again, we just paid it out of our pocket and it was the best space we could come up with. So I just, if anybody felt 00:11:08
like we were trying to slide, people would be tricky. 00:11:13
I've met with Julie. I met with her for three hours. I met with Ben for two hours. I met with. 00:11:19
Our purpose isn't to be subversive or. 00:11:24
I appreciate everything you do. I hope you do take this seriously. 00:11:27
Just remember that the goal is not for you to choose to split the district. It's to allow us to explore splitting the district and 00:11:31
and I even like creating a new district, honestly is the way I I like to reference to it and so it's. 00:11:38
We could do the feasibility study and it could come out really bad and we could jam it in our pocket and whistle if we walk away 00:11:45
and go crap. 00:11:48
That didn't workout or the public could say no, we don't want to do it. 00:11:52
But but watching holiday through my I grew up in holiday I went to. 00:11:56
On Across the Olympus and. 00:12:00
Owens Junior. 00:12:01
Watching holiday become a city. 00:12:03
And then and then kind of. 00:12:05
Make your own decisions. Take the lead. All of you are included in that. 00:12:07
It's so amazing to watch and it's amazing to watch Mill Creek do the same and the process getting there. And I talked to Mayor 00:12:11
Silvestrini about this. 00:12:15
Was the same. It started with a feasibility study. I just read an article about granite. 00:12:20
The city of Granite at the base of Low Carbon Canyon. Starting a feasibility study to see if it even makes sense to become their 00:12:24
own city so they can control their own destiny. 00:12:28
And a lot of parents struggle when someone tells them. 00:12:33
And honestly, do I do is great. Everyone's great. I like everybody. I've worked with all of them and. 00:12:36
When someone tells you a parent or a PTA president says what can we do for our school that they love? 00:12:41
And, and Julie says you can send an e-mail and that's genuine. That's straight from her mouth. And I'm not criticizing it for it. 00:12:47
That's really hard for a lot of people. And so a lot of people just want to explore all options. The cost of feasibility study is 00:12:51
not prohibitive. 00:12:56
There's a group here that's even kind of like will pay for it if that's a real issue. But let's explore it and let's decide if we 00:13:01
can self determine. And I just hope that you allow us to do that because it really is down to. 00:13:07
You know Creek City and South Salt Lake. 00:13:13
I think that's the one that makes the most sense in my opinion, but. 00:13:17
I just hope, I just hope you do that. I think the schools are really, really important fabric of our community. 00:13:21
And that includes all the schools in the three cities, so. 00:13:26
That's my case. Thank you. 00:13:29
OK, hold your applause till the end of the show. 00:13:37
That was so good, Taylor. 00:13:41
OK, Laura Kinnock, 4919 Maryland Drive. 00:13:44
Well, it's been almost 20 years since this issue was brought before the city. 00:13:50
And I was a part of that group at the time. I had four kids in public schools. 00:13:57
Now I'm the granny of the group, so speaking for the empty nester grannies. 00:14:02
We have waited a long, long time for these enthusiastic 3040 year olds to say. 00:14:08
Let us have self determination. Let us see what a smaller school district. 00:14:16
Might look like let's see if it's feasible, let's see if it's helpful. Let's see if we can keep our schools open, improve our 00:14:21
curriculum. 00:14:25
Lower class size. 00:14:30
I mean. 00:14:32
One of my other granny friends. 00:14:34
Betsy, by the way, we we neglected a lot of children 20 years ago when we. 00:14:35
Actually had to create a law to allow this to happen. 00:14:41
It's kind of shocking to me now how easy this is to do. 00:14:45
Because 20 years ago, it wasn't even. 00:14:49
A possibility. 00:14:54
And it was Governor Huntsman that finally. 00:14:56
Signed that law. We were able to put that on the books. 00:15:00
And those who are kind of against that law, for example, the dividing of the Jordan School District, those who were most against 00:15:04
it now say. 00:15:08
What were we thinking? Like this was by far. 00:15:13
What had to happen? 00:15:16
Just want to end on this note, Granite School District is not a large school district. 00:15:18
What is a super Jumbo? 00:15:24
Sized school district. 00:15:27
The average school district in the United States is 5000 students. 00:15:29
We had 60,000 students in Granite School District. 00:15:33
Julie Jackson is awesome. She's my neighbor. She lives down the street. 00:15:38
She was out represents 15 schools. 00:15:42
So. 00:15:45
We really do not have and that's that's unchangeable. 00:15:47
Like we really have no voice when it comes to saying. 00:15:50
Hey, what curriculum makes sense for our schools? 00:15:54
We love these teachers. Do we want to keep our administration longer than three years? 00:15:58
The school may be closed. Should we look at just school size differently? Classroom differently? 00:16:02
We really don't have a voice, and the demographics are so wildly different, starting, you know, here on the Wasatch Front, moving 00:16:08
out to the Okra Mountains. 00:16:13
It just doesn't make sense. It hasn't made sense for a long time. I have not met one person that hasn't said this is old news. 00:16:19
Like this needed to happen a long, long time ago. 00:16:25
And again, like Taylor said, the only thing we're asking of you is. 00:16:31
Just allow us to be self determinate. 00:16:35
That's it. 00:16:38
Like just help us fund a feasibility study and then we can all look at it objectively and let people vote if it's a bad idea. It 00:16:39
won't pass if it's a great idea. 00:16:44
You know you'll be the heroes knowing you've got that ball rolling. 00:16:50
That's it. Thanks. Thank you. 00:16:54
Hi, my name is Emmy Lowe. I live on 4295 Lynn Lane. 00:17:07
I'm a mom of four kids. I have a unique perspective. I taught in Memphis, TN with a program called Teach for America. 00:17:12
We lived out there and I was part of the year, my third year teaching out there. 00:17:19
One of our schools was opposite of this, where we're doing so well in hall like our schools are. 00:17:24
It was failing and so it got taken over by the state. 00:17:30
But uniqueness that I have is that it was one of like 6 schools that was just state-run. 00:17:33
So I had the Superintendent in my classroom multiple times that year. I had a very close relationship with everybody on. 00:17:39
The board for our. 00:17:46
I guess you could call it a district, the state-run district that we had. 00:17:48
And something that I think is really amazing is I have watched these kids. So I'm 36 now and I taught there when I was about 22 00:17:51
years old. 00:17:55
Within 14 years. 00:17:59
I had kids who were. 00:18:01
Below, below, below, and now these schools are thriving. 00:18:03
And I genuinely, thoroughly believe that it is because they were put into a smaller district. 00:18:07
Because there are other cities the other that the mean school district is still completely falling apart. And while I understand 00:18:13
it's completely different living here in Salt Lake City than it is in Memphis, TN if you know anything about it. 00:18:19
What I do know is these kids are now driving in a district that is smaller, that has more attention. 00:18:24
When I was doing curriculum, I had way. 00:18:30
More umm. 00:18:33
Opportunities to do things differently than my husband was doing at his school where if someone walked in the building and he 00:18:35
didn't have the specific thing written on the board. 00:18:38
He was marked down and he was penalized for that. 00:18:43
So I just thought that was something a personal and a very unique perspective that I do have. That smaller school district can be 00:18:46
very strong. I genuinely believe that our areas could have one of the small distance. 00:18:52
One of the best, strongest school districts in the state. 00:18:58
By having a smaller school district where we can have more opportunities. 00:19:01
To talk about things, how the Superintendent in the schools really know what's going on versus 60,000 students that they're in 00:19:06
charge of and monitoring. 00:19:09
Thank you so much. 00:19:14
Thank you, Amy, Laura Taylor, and thank you Mayor Dolly and Nat for replying so quickly to my e-mail and taking an interest in 00:19:23
that. I really appreciate it. That's C Vandenberg, 4206 Cumberland Rd. 00:19:30
This probably was my old third grade classroom at holiday elementary school at one point my 8th lunch in that lunchroom downstairs 00:19:38
and. 00:19:42
And I have sent my kids to Olympus Junior High, Crestview, and Olympus High School. 00:19:46
And really appreciate the fact that holiday became a city. 00:19:53
I have lived here since 1962. 00:19:58
I've seen a lot of changes, but one of the best changes has been the local control. 00:20:02
That, I think, has brought wonderful things into the city. 00:20:07
And I just like to see our community have the chance to have the same kind of representation. 00:20:10
That we are now getting in a smaller city. 00:20:16
I know it's daunting and again, we don't have to make the decision, but. 00:20:21
As far as? 00:20:25
Economies of scale, though I've heard that argument a lot, it tends to. 00:20:27
Definitely fade and not. 00:20:32
Be financially. 00:20:34
As financially sound once you get past 20,000 students. 00:20:36
It's very hard in a bloated administration. 00:20:41
I've worked with Granite School District as a parent since the early 2000s. I was on a district reading and writing committee. 00:20:44
I've been on several other committees. I've worked with them during the school closure, and I've seen the kind of. 00:20:50
I have a kind of. 00:20:58
Difficulties that implementing the curriculum. 00:21:00
They have to do it for 60,000 students. 00:21:04
They have tons and tons of administration to go through. It's very top heavy and it's hard to get things done. 00:21:07
I personally think that the Mill Creek Holiday District. 00:21:15
Could be. 00:21:19
The best district in the entire state. 00:21:20
And don't want to be left behind. I know Mill Creek is kind of on fire. 00:21:22
And. 00:21:27
You know, they could just do that on their own. We we kind of lost out when canyons we were thinking, Oh well, we could. 00:21:28
We could partner when we passed that law, we could partner with the canyons, with the Cottonwood Heights, and then Holiday slept 00:21:34
on it. And so they found it off with Sandy. 00:21:39
And now Draper. Now they want to split into because they like. 00:21:43
They like the independence, my son. 00:21:46
And I just want to say I'm I'm a grandma. I'm an empty nester. None of my kids can afford to live in holiday. But I've seen a lot 00:21:49
of young couples make a lot of sacrifices to come here and buy that $800 million fixer upper. 00:21:56
Just to go to the schools here and I would like to see that continue. 00:22:03
Umm, I think you know umm. 00:22:09
Alpine has now split into 3 districts and more and more people are talking about this and I think to save our schools and our 00:22:11
educational opportunities and have a thriving community like we've always had. 00:22:17
Umm, this would be a wonderful thing to look into and I'm. 00:22:24
Really grateful for your time and energy that you put into Holiday City. Thank you. 00:22:28
Thank you. 00:22:32
I am Marissa Skinner, I live at 1800 N Woodside Dr. 00:22:41
And I do not have an opinion as to whether I think that this would be a good decision or not. 00:22:46
But I do think that the citizens should be able to have the data to understand if it's a feasible decision. 00:22:52
I am on my. 00:22:59
Elementary School Community Council and I sat through a lot of these discussions about school closures. 00:23:01
And I think that. 00:23:07
I think that the school closures are, I think that they're a good thing and I don't want to have the issue of. 00:23:09
Creating a new district. 00:23:16
And the necessity for school closures to be completed. 00:23:18
But I think that it would be a really great thing. 00:23:21
For our community to know if it's feasible, some of the things that were brought up in a meeting that actually came over with that 00:23:24
with me last night. 00:23:27
That would be nice if the feasibility did study did occur. 00:23:31
Would be to. 00:23:36
Not only look at can we financially. 00:23:37
Support a new district. 00:23:40
But what kind of? 00:23:42
Benefits will our teachers. 00:23:44
Thing from that I know that there are a lot of like Betsy was mentioning. 00:23:47
Economies of scale Are there economies of scale that make Granite School District a great place for our teachers? Aren't those 00:23:51
things that we wouldn't be able to provide for them? 00:23:55
So those are just a few things that I wanted to throw out there and thanks for your time. 00:23:59
Thank you. 00:24:04
Anybody else? 00:24:16
OK. 00:24:20
You're doing a great job there, by the way, Russell, in these kids. Thank you. 00:24:23
Payne, Davis. 00:24:29
2007 E Lincoln Circle. 00:24:30
You've heard the message already. Just want to bring my kids here and just relay the message. Many of you have heard from me 00:24:33
before from fireworks. The sidewalks are different things, but I just want to say and be here tonight. Did you say this is 00:24:37
priority #1? 00:24:41
My son just ran out to the bathroom but even last night. 00:24:46
He said he's like Dad. 00:24:49
Sounds like the most important thing, so we don't really talk to our kids too much about this. 00:24:52
Are the tariffs and the district? 00:24:55
You know, and I and I share that story because these little kids are hearing these are the talks that are at the dinner table and 00:24:58
these are the talks as we go on date nights with other couples and run into people in the community. This is what our age is 00:25:03
talking about right now. It is priority #1. 00:25:08
And it's something that we hope that you'll take seriously because we are and. 00:25:14
It has kind of been in your court on where it goes next. And so we hope that you'll take it as seriously as we are. So thank you 00:25:18
for your time. 00:25:22
OK I want my name is Liana Monstaff. I live at 1801 E Spring Lane. 00:25:26
And I just wanted to voice my opinion, which is different, that I don't support this. I don't support this because I don't. I 00:25:34
think the main problem is that we don't have students. 00:25:39
We don't have enough kids to support this. 00:25:44
I think that a lot of the arguments made would. 00:25:46
Some from the fact that. 00:25:50
This isn't necessarily a city issue or Granite School District issue, but we have legislation that is being passed that makes it 00:25:52
very difficult, but the way that we fund public education in the state. 00:25:57
Utah is 49th in the country per pupil spending. 00:26:01
If we open up a new school district. 00:26:05
Cost. It's going to cost a lot more than. 00:26:07
Than we might expect the legislature, the I know recently they I can't remember they passed the bill or not, but they're trying to 00:26:11
take away. 00:26:14
The availability of property for school districts to govern. How property taxes impact. 00:26:18
How that money gets funded back to the schools? 00:26:24
And so. 00:26:27
I'm concerned about opening up a new school district and then. 00:26:28
Having our property taxes increase or having continuing money being taken away from public education. 00:26:33
And so I don't think that. 00:26:39
I think that maybe in other states around the country they might have smaller school districts, but I would be very interested to 00:26:42
know what the rated people unit is for those specific students. 00:26:47
Because in Utah it is low in comparison to other states in this country. And so I think that $50,000 even though you split it 00:26:52
between 3:00. 00:26:57
Different cities might sound like a smallish kind of some, but I think that there are better uses that we could use that money for 00:27:02
in our city. 00:27:06
Thank you. Thank you. 00:27:10
I'm back Jason Brand 2251 Melody and I just wanted to comment that like what brought me here tonight is the school district. 00:27:17
You just slick the fireworks in there. 00:27:24
I think you reminded me or let me know that it was going to be on the agenda. But I do think I mean to just echo what's been 00:27:28
stated. 00:27:32
I think it's worth exploring for us. I don't think we benefit from being in one of the largest districts in the state. I think 00:27:35
like we all have talked a lot about local control and the benefits there and I think we should explore how we could benefit from 00:27:40
local controlled schools. 00:27:44
No, I wasn't going to say anything. 00:27:56
My name is Rachel Thurgood. I live at 1955 Longview Drive, Matt 21. 00:27:59
Umm, again, any of those concerns that that I, I think that a lot of the people here do have about? 00:28:04
Again, the question of the feasibility would be addressed by the study, which is the first step, so. 00:28:10
Again, any questions about funding or the particulars of teacher benefits or recruiting or opportunities that are provided to our 00:28:16
students could be addressed within that study. And like Taylor highlighted. 00:28:21
That is what the first step is and so. 00:28:27
I feel like it can be. 00:28:30
It can be harmful to you. 00:28:32
Worry about things and and I want to agree with legislation, legislation that is harmful to our schools. 00:28:34
And that's definitely something that needs to be dealt with. This was the. 00:28:40
Priority #1 issue that we're dealing with is. 00:28:44
The incorporation of our own district and that the feasibility study would address many of those issues, if they are indeed 00:28:47
issues. 00:28:50
Thank you. 00:28:54
Oh, no, you could take your time. I'm Brian home at 3400 E Rock Bank Drive. 00:29:03
It's in Mill Creek, not in Hollywood. We're very close, just across. 00:29:09
2:15. 00:29:12
Anyways, I also went to the Mill Creek meeting. 00:29:14
It heard Mayor Silvestre and he say, you know, very emotionally that. 00:29:18
When they closed Mill Creek Elementary School. 00:29:23
The town was kind of devastated, had a lot of kids that couldn't afford lunch. 00:29:25
And they kind of shut down the whole school and they had a lot of meetings about it. 00:29:29
And what I worry is that if we don't go through with this in two years, you guys can have that same meeting. 00:29:33
About a school district and or a school and elementary school and holiday where it was closed. Nobody expected to be closed and 00:29:39
then here we are. 00:29:42
And I do think that if we just had more local representation like people have been saying that I think it would be better overall 00:29:45
for everyone. So I want to say thanks. 00:29:49
Thank you. 00:29:53
Hi guys, my name is Elaine O'Neill. I live at. 00:30:02
2277 E. 4160 S. 00:30:05
I guess this isn't time for jokes Which. 00:30:10
Is awkward for me. 00:30:12
To not throw jokes out, but I'm. 00:30:14
Completely naive on all this. 00:30:17
I'm not well researched like the entire Davis clan and abandoned birds, and my wife's an attorney. She's brilliant and I'm just an 00:30:20
idiot when it comes to this stuff. But this is only about the feasibility study, correct? 00:30:25
You don't get a vote if we get to close anything or open anything or create anything new. 00:30:31
And I appreciate this young lady who was against it because she has her own views and she's standing up to the majority. I think 00:30:35
that's awesome. 00:30:39
And everything she threw out, I went oh cool, but I don't know if that's true. 00:30:44
And everything that everything up everyone else is thrown out. 00:30:47
That's cool. I don't know if it's true. I don't know if it's right. The numbers are right. 00:30:51
I think we have 60,000 people in Granite school district which blows my mind. Kids. 00:30:55
I have. 00:30:59
Five of them. 00:31:01
This seems an important issue to just explore. 00:31:04
It doesn't mean we're creating a new district yet, as I understand it. 00:31:08
But if we don't explore all the possibilities, I think we're hosed. 00:31:12
And $50,000 in all due respect between 3 cities is literally a drop in the bucket. I I have the opportunity to work with a lot of 00:31:16
cities in my. 00:31:21
Wonderful job and it's not a lot of money and apparently we have people who pay for it. 00:31:25
Outside the cities, and that's even better, right? Then I don't have to pay for the knowledge. 00:31:30
But it just seems. 00:31:36
Like having the feasibility study. 00:31:38
Is exploring all the evidence and I. 00:31:41
I've yet to hear. 00:31:44
Any reason why not to have the study? 00:31:45
Once we have it, there might be 10 reasons not to create a new district. 00:31:48
As of now. 00:31:52
I want my kids to have the best education possible and my wife, who is much smarter me, says this is a good idea. 00:31:54
So I back her. Thank you. 00:32:00
Paul said you're a smart man. 00:32:08
OK. 00:32:17
Don't be shy if you want to get up and speak, just be ready ready when this this person gets done. 00:32:21
Left out, I don't have just My name is Sierra McQueen. 00:32:28
And I'm at 4148 S, 2000 E. 00:32:30
So I just kind of reiterate what Dane is saying. I am ditching my own. I coach comp soccer and I left the girls on the field 00:32:35
because I'm like. 00:32:40
This is priority and I've talked to we're kind of a hard. 00:32:44
Group to get together because we a lot of us have like 3 or 4 kids and we've got. 00:32:50
You know, thankfully the rain came, but 2 baseball games that were supposed to happen, soccer practice. Both of my kids are just 00:32:55
talk to practice and I'm telling you. 00:32:59
Here because this is important. 00:33:03
I know 10 other people who called me today that were like, oh, I want to be there. I want to show my support, but they also have. 00:33:06
Multiple kids and multiple different activities and so. 00:33:13
I think it's hard to get the actual numbers of representation here because we are. 00:33:16
In that like middle-aged, crazy busy time of life, but I would just reiterate like this is the talk of the town in our. 00:33:21
I don't know the dental in our neighborhoods at the park. 00:33:30
Is a big issue we're worried about our schools we're worried about. 00:33:34
The fabric of the neighborhoods going forward if multiple schools closed. 00:33:37
I don't, I think there probably may have that may have to happen. We are all aware of like you know dynamic changes in the 00:33:42
community. 00:33:45
But we don't want that to be a self fulfilling prophecy that like, yeah, I don't want to move to holiday now I have to get my kids 00:33:49
3 miles to the school. It's always been a community focused. 00:33:54
Around a lot of families and a lot of like community involvement and we want to keep that energy here. 00:33:59
And I think I live right by Crestview. I love seeing just. 00:34:06
The kids all walking to and from school. They walked past my house. 00:34:10
That's a good neighborhood vibe and energy and. 00:34:15
That's why I moved to the house I live in. 00:34:19
And I would love to. 00:34:21
See that continue and also have people who have that same love for our community have control or stay in what happens. So thank 00:34:23
you. Thank you. 00:34:27
OK. 00:34:42
Blake Binky and I'm in Mill Creek but lived with my mother-in-law right across the. 00:34:48
Grass out here for a long time. 00:34:54
On Crest Hill Drive so. 00:34:57
Just want to echo what what others have said. I'm the product of a very small school district. 00:35:00
Where I grew up in Western Washington. 00:35:06
Outside of Seattle we had three elementary schools, 1 middle school in one high school. 00:35:08
I was a student observer on the school board during my senior year. 00:35:13
And set in and had direct impact. 00:35:17
I can't imagine my kids having anything. 00:35:20
Meaningful with the Granite School District school board in a situation where they're one of. 00:35:24
15 high schools ever. Many high schools we have in our district. It's a huge number and it's daunting. It was very shocking. We 00:35:29
made sacrifices. My wife and I moved back. 00:35:34
From DC, she grew up here as an Olympus graduate. 00:35:39
And wanted to live in this area because of the schools. 00:35:43
And I think that needs to be top of mind. People make sacrifices to be in this neighborhood, in Holiday and in Mill Creek in order 00:35:47
to put their kids in great public schools. And when we do that, it keeps our communities vibrant. 00:35:53
Keeps our economy strong and there's so many good things in my mind about having a smaller school district. 00:36:00
That's representative of our communities for the same reason that we like having a holiday city City Hall and Mill Creek City Hall 00:36:07
that's governing us and not Salt Lake, right? 00:36:12
There is value in having localized leadership. So I just want to say that and thank you very much. 00:36:17
Thank you. 00:36:23
My name is Brad Skinner, you heard from my wife. I'm at 1800 EN Woodside Dr. 00:36:30
I didn't grow up here, I grew up in Payson. My wife did grow up here. She often refers it to as this holiday. 00:36:34
Which is one of the things I love about it. Like I come here and I love the community, I love the involvement. I love. 00:36:42
How many people care about the city? 00:36:48
I'm with the gentleman in the blue sweatshirt. I don't know if this is a good thing or not. 00:36:51
But I would love to get the information to be able to decide that. 00:36:55
And I think everybody here would love to be able to look at the information and have that choice of. 00:36:58
Is the school district a good thing for holiday or not? So thank you for your time. 00:37:05
Thank you. 00:37:10
Hi, I'm Claire enough and I I mostly just want to express wealth. 00:37:16
We, my husband and I both went to Olympus, grew up in this neighborhood. 00:37:22
Anyways, we lived away for eight years and we came back. 00:37:27
And we are one of those families that bought a fixer upper that was really expensive. 00:37:32
And a lot of the reason we bought this Fixer upper was because we did love the neighborhood and we left the school so much and we 00:37:38
knew this was where we want to be. 00:37:43
And time and time again, my husband and I have thought like, why are we here? Why did we move here? It's so expensive. What are we 00:37:48
doing with our house? We've now lived with our in-laws for two years. 00:37:54
And we bought our house two years ago on Terra Linda. 00:38:00
And we've had to say for the last two years because we don't want to move again. We know that. 00:38:04
This is where we want to be forever and. 00:38:11
Just for my family that you've sacrificed, that we have made so that we can be here, it would just be absolutely. 00:38:14
Devastating to see something change. 00:38:20
With our schools and how amazing these schools are. 00:38:24
And we just want to do whatever we can to try and keep that. And that's all I wanted to share. 00:38:28
Thank you. 00:38:34
Hello, Graham. I'll be quick because I already spoke about fireworks, but I did like Jason. I'll come here specifically for the 00:38:43
school thing. 00:38:46
David Stephenson, 2555 Melody Drive. 00:38:51
Information is power. I think my gut is telling me that we would do a lot better with a smaller district that's more responsive to 00:38:55
us and and our needs and what we. 00:39:00
Need as three cities. 00:39:05
We can't have this conversation at all until we know the actual numbers behind it and what we're going to work with and so. 00:39:07
I just want to echo what others have said and really strongly encourage us to proceed with the feasibility study. Thank you. 00:39:13
I feel like I'm better to stop and then somebody stands up and I don't want to cut anybody off. 00:39:29
OK, well, if somebody decides to. 00:39:37
Stand up, go ahead. I won't close the public comment period here, but I will say this because all of our. 00:39:41
Everybody on this, on the. 00:39:47
Has kids or have had kids? 00:39:49
Or have grandkids. 00:39:52
That have attended our local public schools and. 00:39:55
Regardless of what happens or how things and and we all. 00:39:58
Share that same passion for our schools. 00:40:03
We're all liaisons to the public schools. We often hear from Grant School District. 00:40:05
We wish all cities were as engaged with their schools as holiday is. 00:40:11
Holiday meeting the city and our council is with our public schools so. 00:40:16
We share everybody's passion. We understand the emotion that's associated with potential. 00:40:20
Closing of schools. 00:40:27
It's not lost on us. 00:40:29
And we're happy to remain engaged in the process, like I said. 00:40:32
I could comment on a lot of things have been brought up. This is not the appropriate place for it. 00:40:35
But I am happy to meet with. 00:40:40
Anybody that wants to, it would be better for me, selfishly if you got a larger group together. 00:40:42
But I'm happy to meet with smaller groups too and some of the other council members here. 00:40:48
Have heard from their constituents that are also interested in sitting in on those meetings and communicating. 00:40:52
Where the city is at this point, we have all have personal opinions on these things, but. 00:40:58
We're acting as a council on behalf of those who have elected us, so we have to kind of deal with it from a council standpoint 00:41:04
too. 00:41:08
But I'm happy to have that conversation if somebody wants to reach out to me and put that together. 00:41:12
You can call the city, they have my cell phone number, or you can e-mail me or e-mail any of your council members and we can set 00:41:18
up a meeting. We're happy to sit down with you face to face and have an honest conversation about. 00:41:24
Where we think things are. 00:41:30
In the process. 00:41:33
That makes that makes sense. 00:41:35
Let me also thank everybody for their civility. 00:41:38
These are emotional issues and. 00:41:42
We're lucky to live in a community where regardless of. 00:41:45
People's positions on things, even when they are contentious. 00:41:48
I can't think of any situations where we haven't had people be civil to one another, and I think we could all use a little bit 00:41:52
more of that so. 00:41:56
Thanks everybody for coming out. 00:42:00
I'm going to close public comment. We're going to move on with the agenda. 00:42:02
And uh. 00:42:06
I'm assuming you're not going to want to stay to hear his vote on this stuff, but. 00:42:07
Yeah, now you can clap. 00:42:12
All right. Thank you. 00:42:17
Thank you. 00:42:21
Give me just a minute. 00:42:24
Thank you. 00:42:53
Thank you. 00:42:54
All right. 00:43:04
We're going to move on to, well, everybody's clearing out. We can still proceed here. 00:43:05
We're going to move on to item number 4 on the agenda. This is the result. This is the resolution adopting the. 00:43:10
City financial policies. We reviewed this with Christian, who's hopefully a new daddy. 00:43:16
I think hopefully. 00:43:24
And Gina at her last council meeting, any questions that it's the financial policies in the packet. So anything we need to clarify 00:43:27
before we go to a motion? 00:43:32
Mr. Mayor, I move approval of Resolution 2025 National 5 adopting City financial policies. 00:43:41
Second, have a motion. A second, we'll go to vote Councilmember Brewer. 00:43:48
Councilmember Durham Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham? Yes. Councilmember Quinn. 00:43:52
Councilmember Gray, yes, sure about yes, that resolution is passed. Thank you. 00:43:57
Next on the agenda is the interlocal agreement of the county for election services. Any questions for staff? 00:44:02
Before we go to a motion on this. 00:44:09
Resolution. 00:44:12
I just had one question. Does. 00:44:14
The change in state law about Mellon. 00:44:17
Mail in voting, does that change the cost for the city on anything? OK. 00:44:20
I I think the mailing. 00:44:26
Voting changes it less. 00:44:31
Than some of the changes on observing election sites. 00:44:33
And having recording of election sites and ensuring the security. 00:44:37
Of election drop boxes. 00:44:41
Don't be shy, Mr. Mayor, I move. 00:44:49
Adoption of resolution 2025. Dash. 00:44:51
6 Approving the interlocal agreement with the county for election services. 00:44:55
Second, the motion. A second will go to vote. Councilmember Brewer, Yes. Councilmember Durham, Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, 00:44:59
Yes. Councilmember Quinn, Yes. Councilmember Gray, yes. And that resolution is approved. Thank you. 00:45:06
Traffic signal installation on Murray Holiday Rd. This just details the cost. 00:45:14
Anything you want to clarify on this, Tina, before we go to motion? I think it's pretty straightforward. 00:45:18
Take a motion on this one then. 00:45:25
Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve Resolution 2025-07 approving an interlocal agreement with Salt Lake County for a traffic signal 00:45:29
installation. 00:45:34
Second motion and 2nd will go to vote Councilmember Brewer, Yes. Councilmember Durham Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham Yes. 00:45:39
Councilmember Quinn. Council Member Gray. 00:45:44
Chair votes yes, that resolution is approved. 00:45:49
And finally, an agreement on county reimbursement for TRCC grant funds for to convene a study on the Big Cottonwood room and 00:45:52
improvements there. Any questions for staff before we go to motion? 00:45:58
Or we take a motion. 00:46:07
Mr. Merriment, approval of Resolution 2025-08 approving your local agreement with Salt Lake County. 00:46:08
To reimburse the 2025 TRCC grant funds. 00:46:13
Second motion and 2nd, we'll go to vote. Councilmember Brewer, Councilmember Durham, Councilmember Fotheringham, Councilmember 00:46:17
Quinn, Councilmember Gray and chair votes. Yes, that resolution is approved. Thank you. Consent agenda. Any questions, 00:46:23
clarifications, edits on March 6th or March 20th minutes? 00:46:29
If not, we'll take a motion on the consent agenda. 00:46:39
This mayor motion that we approve minutes for March 23rd, March 6th and 20th. 00:46:42
Second motion to second. All in favor say aye, aye aye. Any opposed? 00:46:47
Then opposed count the consent agenda is approved and City Manager report Gina. 00:46:53
Right, so today was the great shakeout. 00:47:02
And as part of that day, we did a little exercise here at City Hall. 00:47:07
Where we simulated what would happen if we had a sub. 00:47:13
Targeted microbursts that knocked out our power, took down some trees and damaged our roof. So you all probably got some 00:47:19
communication from us. 00:47:24
In that regard, we would have canceled this meeting. Power is important for us to meet. 00:47:29
We did learn some things about where our vulnerabilities are in terms of contacting staff. 00:47:36
And others that use this building. 00:47:45
And so that we'll be incorporating that into our processes going forward, so you'll never need to test this again. 00:47:48
It sounds very similar to an actual emergency that we had in 2020. 00:47:57
I did want to alert the Council to a number of grant applications that we will be making over the next couple of weeks to couple 00:48:04
of months. 00:48:09
The first is an application that is due next week. It is a reapplication for the earmark. 00:48:15
That we had were targeted to receive in the current year's federal budget. 00:48:24
If you want to remember in lieu of adopting a budget. 00:48:30
Federal government. 00:48:35
Adopted the continuing resolution that will continue through September 30th and so. 00:48:37
Our earmark, which is part of a it's called the Community Project Fund. 00:48:42
Was put on hold. 00:48:49
So we're going to reapply and hopefully we'll have an idea of whether or not that will be funded by July ish. 00:48:50
No promises on the timeline this current year, just like there were no promises last year, but hopefully we'll have a little more 00:49:02
clarity in the next couple of. 00:49:06
Months, you may remember that we had applied for $2 million last year. 00:49:12
And the appropriations committees have whittled that down to. 00:49:19
1.65 million. 00:49:24
We're going to reapply for $2,000,000 and see where we end up. 00:49:26
So that is 1 application we'll be making. 00:49:30
Will be applying for a program. 00:49:34
That is funded by you dot through the Transportation Alternative Program or TAP. 00:49:38
For a sidewalk filling project on the South side of 5600 S from Highland Drive to Van Winkle. 00:49:43
And will apply. 00:49:50
For up to 250 that we're still working through some engineering cost estimates on that project. 00:49:55
The deadline is April 30th, so I wanted to make you aware before your next meeting, but on the 1st I'll be able to give you an 00:50:01
exact number for that application. 00:50:06
We'll be applying through EU dot Safe Sidewalks program, also due on April 30th for the second phase. 00:50:13
Of a sidewalk filling project on the north side of 45th South. 00:50:21
Extending, we were doing one piece in this year. 00:50:27
From Olympus Hills Park, I think we're going to 2980 and this phase two would take us down to 2900 E. 00:50:32
And that number is also still in development with a Max of $200,000 for that application. 00:50:41
Another Safe Routes to School sidewalk fill in project on the West side of 20th East from Lincoln Lane to 39th South. 00:50:51
That deadline is a little farther out. That is May 23rd and we're looking at a project between 200 and $300,000. 00:50:59
I'll update you with a final number before we submit for that application. 00:51:10
We will. You just approved an agreement. 00:51:18
With Salt Lake County for a study for track funding for our auditorium. 00:51:22
We will apply by June 16th. 00:51:29
Based on that study results for somebody to. 00:51:32
Complete at that auditorium entrance and other enhancements the study is going to tell us about. 00:51:37
And again, that number is to be determined. 00:51:43
And we are crossing our fingers that we can make a court or preservation program. 00:51:48
Requests We need willing sellers for a project that we've discussed before and I will update you on that one the next time we need 00:51:55
as well. 00:51:59
If any members of the Council have concerns about any of those applications, please let me know now, otherwise we'll proceed with 00:52:05
those applications. 00:52:09
I have no concerns, I'm just curious. I'm 45 S is that is our objective to try to get sidewalk? 00:52:15
Is that right? 00:52:21
Yeah, OK. And but that's they're all. 00:52:26
In financial grants. 00:52:28
It's a little an unusual situation because 45 S is a state Rd. 00:52:31
And so generally the owner of that road would provide those improvements. In this case, you dot is asking us to apply. 00:52:37
And then provide a match or improvements on the road. 00:52:45
Thanks for the Air Rd. 00:52:51
OK, anything for Gina before she sits down. 00:52:56
OK. Thanks, Tina. 00:53:01
All right, I guess we'll go with council report. Emily, why don't we start with you and we'll work our way down the line. 00:53:03
Just one thank you. I want to thank. 00:53:09
Holiday Fire Department once again District 5 has had increased need of your services and I just want to publicly thank you for 00:53:12
protecting businesses and homes. 00:53:19
And all that you do to protect our families and community because we have needed you a lot lately and we are grateful. 00:53:27
So this last week I went to the Driggs Elementary and the Churchill Junior High. 00:53:37
Community council meetings. This is the time of year where they finalize how they're going to spend the. 00:53:44
How was it the trust land? The trust land money? 00:53:52
And I just want to recognize and shout out appreciation for. 00:53:56
All the parents and also the the teachers and administrators at all of our schools. 00:54:03
For the time and effort that they put in, because if you've ever been in. 00:54:10
One of these discussions, it's very detailed and you know, what are we going to? 00:54:16
What are we going to include? You know, do we have enough money for how many? 00:54:20
Teachers or how many paraprofessionals in to support those teachers and. 00:54:25
I just appreciate the work that they all do. 00:54:30
That's it. 00:54:33
USA Finance Committee that I'm on, we met and we've seen the initial. 00:54:40
Preliminary budget and it looks like. 00:54:46
Our member fee increase will be in the 4.2 ish percent. I've got the budget book over in the other room the specifics but. 00:54:49
Our percent was a little higher than most other member cities just because so much of the cost is. 00:54:59
Allocated based on call volume and our call volume. 00:55:04
Went up probably your district over there and hope we can allocate property to our tax here. 00:55:07
Anyway, uh. 00:55:16
Yes, our tall wine has been up a little bit. No, actually most of our call volume is medical related, not fire related. So that's 00:55:17
a funny joke, but it's. 00:55:21
Actually, it's our medical calls, they go up significantly and so it's. 00:55:25
Primarily, we're a bit higher than some of the other member cities. UFSA had a much higher increase, but primarily because they. 00:55:30
Opted to increase their service levels at some of their stations, but. 00:55:36
Hours of course is 4 point, I want to say 2 ish 4.14.2, something like that, but I've got that. 00:55:40
Numbers over in the hall. 00:55:45
The question, so for that for incidents, is it like the size of the incident, does that make a difference or is it just the number 00:55:47
of call outs or is the bomb squad 10X? 00:55:51
Just wondering, I don't know if you know that because I know we just if there's call allocation, I don't know if it's called type, 00:55:57
but there's different rates for call type. 00:56:01
Actually on the north side where? 00:56:07
So that's why someone. 00:56:09
That offsets the cost because. 00:56:15
USA. 00:56:17
Divide more. 00:56:19
But it's not not called. But there's not a different allocation based on the call type, it's just. 00:56:21
800 more for whatever reason. 00:56:26
Yeah, yeah. So it's the medical stuff. You can have one big nasty call at the same price. 00:56:31
And then normally I'd be reporting on Arts Council, but we decided recently to go from the third Wednesday to the fourth 00:56:41
Wednesday, so it's next week, so. 00:56:44
I have to wait until next council meeting to read the Rights Council, although you probably noticed the signs for auditions going 00:56:48
on downstairs today for Newsies so. 00:56:52
There'll be lots of discussions about Arts Council and this theater thing, I'm sure, but. 00:56:56
That's what's going on with your Arts Council, That's all I have. 00:57:01
I wanted to talk a little bit about the tree Committee activities. On April 25th, there will be a tree planting in connection with 00:57:06
Arbor Day at Cottonwood Elementary. 00:57:10
I will be there and I think the mayor will be there. I will not I, I told. 00:57:15
I have this opportunity to attend some kind of luncheon. 00:57:20
That John Kurt. That John Kurt, Senator Curtis is. 00:57:24
Is hosting. 00:57:28
Due to the. Well, kind of due to usually. 00:57:31
Not big on that stuff, but. 00:57:35
But I'm concerned about stuff that's going on at the federal level and thought I actually want to attend this one so. 00:57:37
They haven't. They're keeping the location. 00:57:42
Not public, so I don't know where it's going to be, but I have to divert this location. 00:57:46
An undisclosed location. Anyway, I've been told I can take up to one minute. 00:57:51
Talk about trees. 00:57:57
So I'm gonna try and do that. 00:57:59
And then on May 17th is our tree giveaway. 00:58:00
Registration and sign up for that is ongoing right now. I know that we've had pretty good response so far. 00:58:04
I also wanted to mention a little bit about. 00:58:10
Holiday Happy Healthy Holiday Health Coalition. 00:58:14
We got some responses in connection with the city survey. 00:58:19
We were able to piggyback a question into that about public health. 00:58:23
The feedback we got is that people were most concerned with issues related to mental health and. 00:58:27
Air quality, asthma and all those kinds of things, so. 00:58:34
The coalition will be thinking about ways to kind of address those kinds of issues. 00:58:38
Drew and I will also be collaborating with a local LDS stake in the next few weeks about on an emergency preparedness fair. 00:58:43
And we're looking forward to being involved with that. 00:58:52
And then they're almost done formulating their core working group for their key leaders in the community. 00:58:56
Which will be an opportunity to sort of put together a group of. 00:59:02
Kind of opinion leaders in the community time public health issues to. 00:59:06
Sort of get feedback and advice. Advice. 00:59:10
That's all I have. 00:59:13
Thanks, Matt. 00:59:15
The Historical Commission had their medium. 00:59:19
During spring break and so I wasn't there but. 00:59:21
And so because the next speaker is Marty Bradley Evans. 00:59:23
Who's under historical mission but she's. 00:59:29
Super qualified for issues sharply pH D and. 00:59:32
In I don't know if it's history specifically, but she's very very umm. 00:59:37
An authority, I guess, on what she's doing. An architectural travel guide to Utah. 00:59:43
Now beyond May 12th. 00:59:48
And I'll be the speaker series for that month, OK? 00:59:50
And May has also made Preservation Month. 00:59:53
Umm, And I was thinking that maybe again, I was at the meeting, I was thinking, well, that when we do the, the, the walk with the 00:59:56
QR codes in that, Gina, do you recall? 01:00:00
And is that what Preservation Month means? 01:00:05
And I honestly don't know if they're doing that level this year. So maybe we'll circle back on. 01:00:08
OK. 01:00:14
And. 01:00:16
The on the Mosquito Abatement District, it looks likely that they'll be going through the. 01:00:18
But I will just say. 01:00:23
From my involvement in that, they're extremely thrifty. It's been a long time since they've done it and. 01:00:25
Was being good stewards? I think so. 01:00:31
But that's likely for this year. 01:00:33
That's it. OK, just a couple of things. 01:00:35
And Francis and myself met with. 01:00:39
Jared from. 01:00:42
Yesterday. 01:00:45
Kiln is a shared real upscale shared office space. 01:00:46
Uh, business. 01:00:53
That is taking 60,000 square feet I believe in. 01:00:54
The Holiday Hill site, so they'll be on half the 2nd floor and half the third floor. 01:00:59
And so they're looking to open in the September time frame. So keep it on your radar and we'll get a tour and do a ribbon cutting. 01:01:04
But. 01:01:08
The diagrams are amazing. We met with. 01:01:12
The developers to go over a number of issues today, myself and Tina and John. 01:01:17
And Anne were there. 01:01:22
Some really exciting. 01:01:23
Things on the horizon in terms of tenants that are going to be coming on board that we can announce, but. 01:01:27
We did get a application from. 01:01:34
Business license application and we have the. 01:01:39
The TI's and whatnot from Trader Joe's. 01:01:43
So, um. 01:01:46
The developer. 01:01:49
Really kind of bound in terms of not being able to communicate but. 01:01:51
Since that is a public document, it's something I can say publicly, right, Gina? 01:01:55
It wasn't, but I hope so because I. 01:01:59
You can't unring that bell, right? Yeah. 01:02:04
I think that is. 01:02:09
And we'll be working with their. 01:02:12
Public relations team to kind of. 01:02:15
Figure out what they want us to do what what they would prefer we do and not do in terms of announcing that. 01:02:18
But since it's a public document, I can say it I'm saying it. 01:02:24
And I think it will be for most people, an exciting development in the holiday and. 01:02:28
And a major. 01:02:34
Anchor for that site and it will go in the Macy's building. 01:02:36
On the bottom of the Macy's building. 01:02:40
Didn't we hear that Trader Joe's in Cottonwood Heights is there? 01:02:43
Number one. 01:02:47
Sales tax. 01:02:48
I couldn't imagine. I mean, I would think, I would think Home Depot, yeah. 01:02:52
More than Home Depot, yeah. 01:02:58
They do a lot of business. We've been we've done that. Top secret information to you never. 01:02:59
The reveal is under plenty of whatever. 01:03:04
Anyway, you know, and there's a. 01:03:07
There's a lot of other things going on there that that. 01:03:09
That are going to be really exciting. We got they leaked a couple of the names, which I won't say because they are under Ndas, but 01:03:13
when residents hear about them, I think they will be be really, really excited so. 01:03:19
It's something to look forward to down the road. 01:03:25
And I just got to know. 01:03:27
Captain Brown, if you've heard any rumors about me in the USA. 01:03:30
Circulating. 01:03:35
So I got a spool in my backyard of spools like a. 01:03:38
A10 by 14 pool that I don't know how to properly maintain and evidently mixing. 01:03:41
Uric acid and chlorine is not. 01:03:47
Not a good thing, in fact, he said. Well, the pool guy said, well, I think he just made mustard gas. 01:03:51
And Captain Sessions showed up and then after that the hazmat team showed up. 01:03:58
And it and and so it's like, well. 01:04:06
This will be circulating through USA. They're there for like 3 hours. 01:04:09
And then a couple of days ago, there's HIPAA issues here, but one of my neighbors. 01:04:14
Fell and then his wife fell and. 01:04:20
Our neighborhood tech start going all over our neighborhoods. You know our neighborhoods are they take care of each other. 01:04:23
And so I walked over there in my golf shorts and my golf shirt. 01:04:28
Seeing what's up and the updater guys are there wanting to know what I'm doing and. 01:04:33
After session comes out and goes, hey that's the mayor, you can let him through to see. How dumb. I had forgotten that on my 01:04:38
vacation my grandson wanted to paint my toenails red. 01:04:43
And. 01:04:50
So they're looking at my toenails and I'm like, I looked at Captain Sessions and I'm like, well. 01:04:51
This Here we go. 01:04:58
Yeah, it's not a good. It's a good thing I'm not on the board. You didn't come up a board meeting. You didn't come up with board 01:05:03
meeting. I would have been. 01:05:06
Happy to hear about that anyway those. 01:05:09
Those guys are great and I'm sorry, I'm their mayor. 01:05:13
All right, that's all, that's all I've got. So we'll just take a a recessed quick break and move across the hall. Mr. Merriman, 01:05:18
would we recess City Council and reconvening the work meeting across the hall. 01:05:23
All in favor say aye aye. 01:05:30
Move across the hall. 01:05:32
Really have to. 01:05:39
Have this on the agenda next Council meeting too. 01:05:40
Vote what we're going to submit to the county in terms of our restriction and. 01:05:44
In the packet is what we've done in years past and what we did last year, I think. 01:05:49
In terms of the areas we restricted. 01:05:53
I think that's right. 01:05:56
And read. 01:06:23
No, I was just last year. 01:06:27
So what do you think? That was their second year? 01:06:30
No, I don't think I could find out real quick, but I think it was just last year. 01:06:32
Yeah, we did for sure. And I think Oscar was compromised too. 01:06:37
So last year this map shows what we approved, which is similar to. 01:06:42
The map that we had approved in 2021. 01:06:50
And it's consistent with. 01:06:54
There's state statute that tells us how we can restrict and the conditions. 01:06:57
Under which we can restrict fireworks. 01:07:02
So rather than going with a straight line and 13 piece which essentially prohibited fire release. 01:07:05
Civic life, We allowed fireworks in some areas and those are the areas that are later. 01:07:12
See the one method. 01:07:20
No, this one, no this ones online with the fire. So the one that is in your packet was last year's. 01:07:24
Yeah. 01:07:31
So it's 2020. 01:07:33
It's different that like, there's that, there's that popping up in groups that's ice, like that island of Indus. 01:07:35
History. 01:07:41
For Neff Canyon. 01:07:43
Didn't we expand? 01:07:45
The Spring Creek area to. 01:07:47
The next one you have that has. 01:07:49
Just there's no map, but it has the. 01:07:52
Description The description. 01:07:55
That's kind of what we went through because we send it to. 01:07:58
UFA to do the mapping. 01:08:01
Because I I thought it would take Spring Creek all the way to 45th because of. 01:08:03
Concerns. Yeah, and that's what this is. Is that 45th? 01:08:08
45th this year it's 4430 on it's 45th, but it's all the way over there. 01:08:14
That's where we expanded it too. I just remember we. 01:08:32
Wine, whatever we had, so that includes the widening of the area. 01:08:35
It's the one of them. Is that the expert there in the Morgan Dr. one? 01:08:41
What is that? 01:08:50
And it's, I can tell, I don't know if that's a little bit because it is, because it's 200 people. 01:08:51
Magali because that's that's the new one that wasn't on. There's the one. 01:09:02
Alright, thank you. So I mean. 01:09:11
The big issue is. 01:09:14
Busy because I I don't think we have a problem with, unless I'm mistaken with. 01:09:17
The math we had last year in terms of the barriers that we restricted. 01:09:23
Like do we want to add to it? It's do we? 01:09:27
Do we want to go back to restriction east of 13th East? 01:09:30
Based off of. 01:09:36
Conditions and California, are you going to stay with what we have? 01:09:38
And I think you know, what can we do? 01:09:43
So again and I spoke with the Fire Marshall for USAA. 01:09:47
His recommendation was not to. 01:09:54
Not to make more of the city available to. 01:09:57
Fireworks, Ben. 01:10:02
I did not fear him recommending he was the former. This is kind of kind of where he was at the first Cottonwood Heights 70. If you 01:10:06
stroll down to contact Heights and see there, there's even more. 01:10:11
Ours, they have pockets them all over. 01:10:18
But the. 01:10:21
To restrict more, I don't know if you've ever brought Larson. Once you give open an area, it's hard to take it back, so you have 01:10:23
to have two out of the five last five years to be. 01:10:29
Throughout or some sort of condition which we don't have. 01:10:34
Or it's got to be. 01:10:37
Really the only thing that you can show is if it's more of a readily. 01:10:39
Easy to define area. 01:10:45
That's the kind of where you could do it. Like if you say, OK, Mill Creek is here and this is a line, that's the way to do it. But 01:10:47
that's really would be the only reason that you could. 01:10:51
Restrict more is just by making it more. At least they can find a real. 01:10:56
I will say there was number. 01:10:59
There wasn't an increase in responses. 01:11:02
What's this? Last year version Two other ones? 01:11:05
And Conwood Heights, their chief program, is thinking, is there anything to keep it there or expand it more? 01:11:08
And then precise. 01:11:15
90%. 01:11:17
When you say expanded more, make more available ready to file so they're going to show the other one, if at all. 01:11:20
If at all, they're not restricted. 01:11:27
Cast is normal to above normal fire behavior which. 01:11:31
I'm not having a forecast in July. 01:11:36
But it's not supposed to be any sort of drought conditions. We'll do with that. You can always pivot if all of a sudden you have 01:11:39
super drudge here or something. 01:11:43
There's a trigger. There's a trigger. 01:11:47
To change it. 01:11:50
But that would be the only way to restrict their TV's above is to say. 01:11:51
It's too hard. 01:11:55
To enforce physical instances. 01:11:57
What's the penalty for people to validate? 01:12:01
$1000 thousand dollars $1000 It's a hefty fine and haven't we? 01:12:07
I'd be curious. 01:12:11
Plus several damages. 01:12:14
If there's yeah, somebody goes out there simply. But the firework penalty is, I mean, like I said, it's $1000 fine. It's pretty 01:12:16
hefty and I usually have. 01:12:20
Officers out on the 4th and 24th and generally a day or before specifically, however. 01:12:24
And to Dan's point, he tells the. 01:12:30
You know I. 01:12:32
It was a couple of years of 13, these two numbers. 01:12:33
Lot easier to enforce. 01:12:35
It gets a little complicated in some of the areas when. 01:12:38
This street one block over is legal, and this street is not the whole thing. They're doing it. Why can't we? Is there any sense of 01:12:42
the number of citations? 01:12:45
But there's not a ton, are there any you think? 01:12:50
I'm sorry. 01:12:53
Generally there's a couple every year that get issues. 01:12:56
The hard part is if we get called. 01:13:01
Just on just a general somebody'd like fireworks in restricted area. 01:13:04
If it's during a time that. 01:13:08
And and there's nothing. 01:13:13
Nothing being thrust, no structures are being threatened or anything like that. 01:13:14
It's a lower priority call for us and so. 01:13:18
It takes a minute to get there and a lot of times. 01:13:21
Unless it's on the 4th or 24th. 01:13:25
It's generally somebody lights off a couple foot fireworks and it's done and then they're gone. 01:13:28
And so even if somebody called and we had an officer available right away, it gets there. 01:13:33
Generally, they're not going to find it. 01:13:37
And then what's the side of what they have right now? They're allowed. 01:13:42
One day before or two days after. 01:13:47
Support that. 01:13:50
And then Chinese New Year, I think, but I think, yeah, yeah. 01:13:52
Well, has it been that this happened to find for a long time the last bus? 01:14:00
It it got up. 01:14:06
Three or four years ago. 01:14:08
And I know that fear is heightened because obviously it's a tough way, right? 01:14:13
You often Christmas like. 01:14:18
Yeah. And so. 01:14:22
My personal take on policy. 01:14:25
But I do think that we should try to force it, and I do think that it's a big deal and it's a big deal. 01:14:28
In these in certain areas that are where A50 catastrophe and that's correct. That's why I like our policy. 01:14:33
Because there are options that people end up. 01:14:40
And if you blink that the whole thing. 01:14:42
You can see that it's like I don't. 01:14:45
And I'd like to see issue citations. 01:14:49
Violated weakness. 01:14:53
Yeah, especially up above, up in the Hughes Canyon area where we have urban interface and in that Walker Lane area there. 01:14:57
We're all afraid of something starting there. Those are the areas that concern me. 01:15:05
So I generally during the holidays, the actual holidays, they're legal to enforce those areas. I'll generally have one, sometimes 01:15:13
two officers out for. 01:15:17
Generally from like 10:00 to 1:10 PM to 1:00 AM. 01:15:22
And it's the overtime shift form about specific for fireworking. 01:15:25
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Event transcript
Always has to make an entrance. 00:00:02
All right. 00:00:14
OK, welcome everybody. I'm going to call the City of Holiday City Council meeting to order and welcome everybody here. This is the 00:00:19
biggest crowd we've ever had in the last. 00:00:23
Oh, since Cottonwood Mall, I think. 00:00:29
Anyway, we're happy to have you here. We always start with the pledge, so if I could please ask everybody to. 00:00:32
United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation and God. 00:00:38
Indiscernible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:52
OK, we're going to get right to it and get the public comment. OK, we so we don't have. 00:00:59
Have any public hearings this evening? 00:01:05
So the only. 00:01:08
Opportunity for residents to speak with the council is during public comment. 00:01:10
And we know why you're here. Except for Trudy. 00:01:16
With the library so. 00:01:20
So when we get to, when we get to the issue that I know. 00:01:24
The people are here to address the Council. I just want to talk a little bit about that so you understand. 00:01:28
Where the council's coming from, and I think you may already know, as I understand some of you have been to the Mill Creek City 00:01:33
Council meeting, Yes. 00:01:37
So when we have public comment, it's our opportunity as a City Council to listen to the concerns, whatever. 00:01:43
Members of the community want to bring up. 00:01:53
And we typically don't engage back and forth. So I just want you to know. 00:01:56
If we're not answering all your questions or addressing your concerns. 00:02:01
It's because that's not what happens during the public comment period. 00:02:07
So we, we are and I'm speaking specifically about the district split initiative that's been circulating out there. 00:02:12
We're all very familiar with it. Some of them received a few emails. 00:02:20
I've been on the phone today with Julie Jackson and Ben Horsley and other members of the community, so we are familiar with what 00:02:24
you're going to be talking with us about. 00:02:30
So #1 is. 00:02:35
We will never. 00:02:38
Persuade somebody not to address the council. If you're hearing you want to address the council, you're welcome to do it and we'll 00:02:41
stay here as long as everybody wants to come up and address us. We try to keep it to. 00:02:46
3 minutes for an individual and a Max of 5 minutes if somebody wants to speak on behalf of a group. Now I'm going to assume that 00:02:52
most of the people are here to support. 00:02:57
This umm. 00:03:03
District split or a feasibility study or whatever it is you want to talk about. 00:03:05
What is helpful to us and appreciated is if the same message is going to be delivered over and over, we love for somebody to come 00:03:10
and speak on behalf of the group. We're happy to. 00:03:15
Either have a raise of hands or people stand up who they're going to speak for so we get a sense of. 00:03:20
How many people are being represented so? 00:03:25
That's great for us because. 00:03:27
Obviously it allows us to get to the rest of the agenda, but. 00:03:30
This is your City Hall, this is your City Council, and as long as people want to keep coming up. 00:03:33
We're going to sit here and and listen to whatever you have to say till everybody's done. 00:03:38
So with that, OK, Emily, did I? 00:03:44
That all right, OK. We just want to make sure people understand. 00:03:48
We're here to listen to you, but we we. 00:03:52
Don't want you to feel if we're not engaging back and forth with you, we're ignoring you. It's just not what happens during public 00:03:55
comment. 00:03:58
Let me also say that. 00:04:02
I am. 00:04:05
I've been responding to I've only received about 5 or 6 emails on this. To be honest with you, I think I've responded to all of 00:04:06
them. One voicemail I never got a call back on. 00:04:10
I think the. 00:04:17
The. 00:04:19
That the people are concerned with were probably best. 00:04:21
Summarized in an e-mail I received and the rest of council received from. 00:04:25
Jed and Betsy Vandenberg, are they here? 00:04:32
Jed and Betsy. 00:04:35
OK, she, she, I'm assuming that. 00:04:39
Her and her husband sent. 00:04:43
Pretty long e-mail that detailed all the justifications that they think the city should be aware of. 00:04:45
So we have all that. The Council has all those facts in front of us and we've read all those. 00:04:51
But I'm actually. 00:04:58
Perfectly happy and as well as other council members to meet with. 00:05:00
A group of residents or single residents next week or the week after if you'd like, if you'd like to get one-on-one back and forth 00:05:05
and get more back and forth of the council. 00:05:09
Absolutely happy to do it. Just reach out to me and we'll schedule some time. 00:05:13
See how many people it is that want to meet so we can get appropriate space and time and we'll do that. So just reach out to me if 00:05:17
you want to do that after this meeting, if that's OK. 00:05:22
OK, with that, I'm going to open up public comments and because I know. 00:05:27
Oh, OK. Hi, we're just talking about you. 00:05:33
No worries. 00:05:37
I'm going to have Trudy go first because he's here from the library and she may not want to stay for all of the comment. 00:05:40
You may want to. 00:05:47
I'm the easiest customer all evening. 00:05:48
I'm Trudy. I'm from the library. Tax season is over. Yay. 00:05:51
I just wanted to let you know that with the assistance of the very generous AARP tax volunteers. 00:05:56
And my staff making appointments for them. 00:06:01
We had seven, almost 750 tax appointments. 00:06:04
At a certain point we had a wait list. We were able to move 42 people off of that wait list and into appointments and only had 22 00:06:09
people that we couldn't get to so. 00:06:13
That was awesome. 00:06:18
The seed library is still off and going, so if you haven't come in and gotten your seeds, you still have a chance. 00:06:20
This month we added an extra story time, so now there is story time on Monday mornings and Tuesday mornings. 00:06:26
And starting in May, from May through July, Monday story time is going to be at the gazebo in the park. So that will be fun and 00:06:32
kids can play on the. 00:06:37
On the equipment afterwards. 00:06:43
And the other fun thing to tell you about for today is on the 26th, Saturday the 26th. 00:06:45
We are going to be working with Clark Planetarium. 00:06:51
We have a program called Dark Skies for the Birds. It starts at 10:30. 00:06:54
And it's about. 00:06:59
Light pollution and bird migration. 00:07:00
And they will be teaching us about that. And then we've got some fun crafts for all ages. So come on over to the library. 00:07:04
Do you have any questions, anything for Trudy? 00:07:12
I'm just curious with the AARP. So that's volunteers. 00:07:15
Yes, yes they are. It's sponsored by AARP and they are volunteers who are certified by the IRS to do your taxes for you. 00:07:19
But people make appointments and they come and they are key volunteers. Fill out your taxes and he file them all for you. 00:07:29
It's just about everybody could use help with that. It's a fantastic service. They won't do them if you're complicated, if you've 00:07:36
got you know, but. 00:07:40
Most of us, most of us can use the AARP volunteers and you don't have to be a member of AARP or a senior citizen or anything like 00:07:44
that. Anybody can use their services when they're at the library. 00:07:49
All right. Thank you. Thanks, Trinity. 00:07:56
Let me ask before we keep going, is there anybody here that wants to address the Council? 00:08:00
That is not going to address the Council regarding the initiative about the district split. 00:08:05
Let's let's have you come on up first. 00:08:11
Just in case you don't want to stick around, I just want to make one comment. Name and address please. Jason Brand. 00:08:14
2051 Melody, Anne. 00:08:20
Way you'll remember us here a year ago talking about fireworks. I know it's that time of the year again and you'll be talking 00:08:22
about that today. 00:08:25
In the coming weeks. 00:08:29
Just wanted to remind and kind of bring up that like the Utah State law, as I understand it, allows for restriction of fireworks 00:08:32
based on. 00:08:35
Hazardous conditions not based on people not liking fireworks. So I like fireworks. My kids like fireworks. 00:08:39
Let's do fireworks this year. 00:08:46
Same. 00:08:53
David Stephenson, 255 Melanie. 00:08:58
Melanie Drive. 00:09:02
Drew, you're not my counselor. I move recently. It's. 00:09:03
It's a pleasure to see you. I also was here last year strongly in support of fireworks. Thank you so much for the decision you 00:09:06
made then. My kids have loved them. 00:09:10
I just wanted to thank you for that and give you those words of encouragement as you consider them. Again, thank you. 00:09:14
Thank you. 00:09:19
OK, I'm going to be the kill joint now as we get into the district. I think typically we don't do a lot of applauding during 00:09:22
council meetings, so maybe wait till the very end and you can do one big one. 00:09:28
OK. I think well, you can address the council on everything. I just wanted to make sure we got the folks that want to address the 00:09:36
council and other than that this district initiative out of the way. 00:09:40
So the podiums open again. Its name and address please. 00:09:45
And if you're speaking on behalf of a group, give us a sense of who that is. 00:09:49
And keep that to 5 minutes on behalf of the group and three minutes as individuals and just. 00:09:53
I don't have a list in front of me, so it's just. 00:09:59
Kind of a first come first serve so ever wants to get started. 00:10:02
Taylor Davis I'll admit I live in Mill Creek. 00:10:12
But I will say about the fireworks, I was very jealous that you guys let them do fireworks and Mill Creek did not. And not only 00:10:16
that, I came here for the fireworks show and I there was a drone show at Mill Creek. So it was a sad day and I sent emails also. 00:10:22
Didn't workout for me. 00:10:30
My name is Taylor Davis. You all got an e-mail from me before a meeting. What I want to just say is an apology if anybody felt 00:10:32
blindsided by it. 00:10:36
It wasn't our intention. 00:10:41
We're just a group of parents that love the schools. We're not well funded, we're just paying things out of our pockets. 00:10:43
We kind of got blindsided by the district with the school closures. 00:10:50
As you know, the first meeting was less than a month ago, so. 00:10:54
If it felt like we were trying to pull a shift on anybody, that wasn't the point. And the reason we had it here is it was the only 00:10:58
space. I mean, if you follow Julie Jackson, she's doing her stuff in the top of Harmon's because the libraries are so hard to get. 00:11:03
And so there again, we just paid it out of our pocket and it was the best space we could come up with. So I just, if anybody felt 00:11:08
like we were trying to slide, people would be tricky. 00:11:13
I've met with Julie. I met with her for three hours. I met with Ben for two hours. I met with. 00:11:19
Our purpose isn't to be subversive or. 00:11:24
I appreciate everything you do. I hope you do take this seriously. 00:11:27
Just remember that the goal is not for you to choose to split the district. It's to allow us to explore splitting the district and 00:11:31
and I even like creating a new district, honestly is the way I I like to reference to it and so it's. 00:11:38
We could do the feasibility study and it could come out really bad and we could jam it in our pocket and whistle if we walk away 00:11:45
and go crap. 00:11:48
That didn't workout or the public could say no, we don't want to do it. 00:11:52
But but watching holiday through my I grew up in holiday I went to. 00:11:56
On Across the Olympus and. 00:12:00
Owens Junior. 00:12:01
Watching holiday become a city. 00:12:03
And then and then kind of. 00:12:05
Make your own decisions. Take the lead. All of you are included in that. 00:12:07
It's so amazing to watch and it's amazing to watch Mill Creek do the same and the process getting there. And I talked to Mayor 00:12:11
Silvestrini about this. 00:12:15
Was the same. It started with a feasibility study. I just read an article about granite. 00:12:20
The city of Granite at the base of Low Carbon Canyon. Starting a feasibility study to see if it even makes sense to become their 00:12:24
own city so they can control their own destiny. 00:12:28
And a lot of parents struggle when someone tells them. 00:12:33
And honestly, do I do is great. Everyone's great. I like everybody. I've worked with all of them and. 00:12:36
When someone tells you a parent or a PTA president says what can we do for our school that they love? 00:12:41
And, and Julie says you can send an e-mail and that's genuine. That's straight from her mouth. And I'm not criticizing it for it. 00:12:47
That's really hard for a lot of people. And so a lot of people just want to explore all options. The cost of feasibility study is 00:12:51
not prohibitive. 00:12:56
There's a group here that's even kind of like will pay for it if that's a real issue. But let's explore it and let's decide if we 00:13:01
can self determine. And I just hope that you allow us to do that because it really is down to. 00:13:07
You know Creek City and South Salt Lake. 00:13:13
I think that's the one that makes the most sense in my opinion, but. 00:13:17
I just hope, I just hope you do that. I think the schools are really, really important fabric of our community. 00:13:21
And that includes all the schools in the three cities, so. 00:13:26
That's my case. Thank you. 00:13:29
OK, hold your applause till the end of the show. 00:13:37
That was so good, Taylor. 00:13:41
OK, Laura Kinnock, 4919 Maryland Drive. 00:13:44
Well, it's been almost 20 years since this issue was brought before the city. 00:13:50
And I was a part of that group at the time. I had four kids in public schools. 00:13:57
Now I'm the granny of the group, so speaking for the empty nester grannies. 00:14:02
We have waited a long, long time for these enthusiastic 3040 year olds to say. 00:14:08
Let us have self determination. Let us see what a smaller school district. 00:14:16
Might look like let's see if it's feasible, let's see if it's helpful. Let's see if we can keep our schools open, improve our 00:14:21
curriculum. 00:14:25
Lower class size. 00:14:30
I mean. 00:14:32
One of my other granny friends. 00:14:34
Betsy, by the way, we we neglected a lot of children 20 years ago when we. 00:14:35
Actually had to create a law to allow this to happen. 00:14:41
It's kind of shocking to me now how easy this is to do. 00:14:45
Because 20 years ago, it wasn't even. 00:14:49
A possibility. 00:14:54
And it was Governor Huntsman that finally. 00:14:56
Signed that law. We were able to put that on the books. 00:15:00
And those who are kind of against that law, for example, the dividing of the Jordan School District, those who were most against 00:15:04
it now say. 00:15:08
What were we thinking? Like this was by far. 00:15:13
What had to happen? 00:15:16
Just want to end on this note, Granite School District is not a large school district. 00:15:18
What is a super Jumbo? 00:15:24
Sized school district. 00:15:27
The average school district in the United States is 5000 students. 00:15:29
We had 60,000 students in Granite School District. 00:15:33
Julie Jackson is awesome. She's my neighbor. She lives down the street. 00:15:38
She was out represents 15 schools. 00:15:42
So. 00:15:45
We really do not have and that's that's unchangeable. 00:15:47
Like we really have no voice when it comes to saying. 00:15:50
Hey, what curriculum makes sense for our schools? 00:15:54
We love these teachers. Do we want to keep our administration longer than three years? 00:15:58
The school may be closed. Should we look at just school size differently? Classroom differently? 00:16:02
We really don't have a voice, and the demographics are so wildly different, starting, you know, here on the Wasatch Front, moving 00:16:08
out to the Okra Mountains. 00:16:13
It just doesn't make sense. It hasn't made sense for a long time. I have not met one person that hasn't said this is old news. 00:16:19
Like this needed to happen a long, long time ago. 00:16:25
And again, like Taylor said, the only thing we're asking of you is. 00:16:31
Just allow us to be self determinate. 00:16:35
That's it. 00:16:38
Like just help us fund a feasibility study and then we can all look at it objectively and let people vote if it's a bad idea. It 00:16:39
won't pass if it's a great idea. 00:16:44
You know you'll be the heroes knowing you've got that ball rolling. 00:16:50
That's it. Thanks. Thank you. 00:16:54
Hi, my name is Emmy Lowe. I live on 4295 Lynn Lane. 00:17:07
I'm a mom of four kids. I have a unique perspective. I taught in Memphis, TN with a program called Teach for America. 00:17:12
We lived out there and I was part of the year, my third year teaching out there. 00:17:19
One of our schools was opposite of this, where we're doing so well in hall like our schools are. 00:17:24
It was failing and so it got taken over by the state. 00:17:30
But uniqueness that I have is that it was one of like 6 schools that was just state-run. 00:17:33
So I had the Superintendent in my classroom multiple times that year. I had a very close relationship with everybody on. 00:17:39
The board for our. 00:17:46
I guess you could call it a district, the state-run district that we had. 00:17:48
And something that I think is really amazing is I have watched these kids. So I'm 36 now and I taught there when I was about 22 00:17:51
years old. 00:17:55
Within 14 years. 00:17:59
I had kids who were. 00:18:01
Below, below, below, and now these schools are thriving. 00:18:03
And I genuinely, thoroughly believe that it is because they were put into a smaller district. 00:18:07
Because there are other cities the other that the mean school district is still completely falling apart. And while I understand 00:18:13
it's completely different living here in Salt Lake City than it is in Memphis, TN if you know anything about it. 00:18:19
What I do know is these kids are now driving in a district that is smaller, that has more attention. 00:18:24
When I was doing curriculum, I had way. 00:18:30
More umm. 00:18:33
Opportunities to do things differently than my husband was doing at his school where if someone walked in the building and he 00:18:35
didn't have the specific thing written on the board. 00:18:38
He was marked down and he was penalized for that. 00:18:43
So I just thought that was something a personal and a very unique perspective that I do have. That smaller school district can be 00:18:46
very strong. I genuinely believe that our areas could have one of the small distance. 00:18:52
One of the best, strongest school districts in the state. 00:18:58
By having a smaller school district where we can have more opportunities. 00:19:01
To talk about things, how the Superintendent in the schools really know what's going on versus 60,000 students that they're in 00:19:06
charge of and monitoring. 00:19:09
Thank you so much. 00:19:14
Thank you, Amy, Laura Taylor, and thank you Mayor Dolly and Nat for replying so quickly to my e-mail and taking an interest in 00:19:23
that. I really appreciate it. That's C Vandenberg, 4206 Cumberland Rd. 00:19:30
This probably was my old third grade classroom at holiday elementary school at one point my 8th lunch in that lunchroom downstairs 00:19:38
and. 00:19:42
And I have sent my kids to Olympus Junior High, Crestview, and Olympus High School. 00:19:46
And really appreciate the fact that holiday became a city. 00:19:53
I have lived here since 1962. 00:19:58
I've seen a lot of changes, but one of the best changes has been the local control. 00:20:02
That, I think, has brought wonderful things into the city. 00:20:07
And I just like to see our community have the chance to have the same kind of representation. 00:20:10
That we are now getting in a smaller city. 00:20:16
I know it's daunting and again, we don't have to make the decision, but. 00:20:21
As far as? 00:20:25
Economies of scale, though I've heard that argument a lot, it tends to. 00:20:27
Definitely fade and not. 00:20:32
Be financially. 00:20:34
As financially sound once you get past 20,000 students. 00:20:36
It's very hard in a bloated administration. 00:20:41
I've worked with Granite School District as a parent since the early 2000s. I was on a district reading and writing committee. 00:20:44
I've been on several other committees. I've worked with them during the school closure, and I've seen the kind of. 00:20:50
I have a kind of. 00:20:58
Difficulties that implementing the curriculum. 00:21:00
They have to do it for 60,000 students. 00:21:04
They have tons and tons of administration to go through. It's very top heavy and it's hard to get things done. 00:21:07
I personally think that the Mill Creek Holiday District. 00:21:15
Could be. 00:21:19
The best district in the entire state. 00:21:20
And don't want to be left behind. I know Mill Creek is kind of on fire. 00:21:22
And. 00:21:27
You know, they could just do that on their own. We we kind of lost out when canyons we were thinking, Oh well, we could. 00:21:28
We could partner when we passed that law, we could partner with the canyons, with the Cottonwood Heights, and then Holiday slept 00:21:34
on it. And so they found it off with Sandy. 00:21:39
And now Draper. Now they want to split into because they like. 00:21:43
They like the independence, my son. 00:21:46
And I just want to say I'm I'm a grandma. I'm an empty nester. None of my kids can afford to live in holiday. But I've seen a lot 00:21:49
of young couples make a lot of sacrifices to come here and buy that $800 million fixer upper. 00:21:56
Just to go to the schools here and I would like to see that continue. 00:22:03
Umm, I think you know umm. 00:22:09
Alpine has now split into 3 districts and more and more people are talking about this and I think to save our schools and our 00:22:11
educational opportunities and have a thriving community like we've always had. 00:22:17
Umm, this would be a wonderful thing to look into and I'm. 00:22:24
Really grateful for your time and energy that you put into Holiday City. Thank you. 00:22:28
Thank you. 00:22:32
I am Marissa Skinner, I live at 1800 N Woodside Dr. 00:22:41
And I do not have an opinion as to whether I think that this would be a good decision or not. 00:22:46
But I do think that the citizens should be able to have the data to understand if it's a feasible decision. 00:22:52
I am on my. 00:22:59
Elementary School Community Council and I sat through a lot of these discussions about school closures. 00:23:01
And I think that. 00:23:07
I think that the school closures are, I think that they're a good thing and I don't want to have the issue of. 00:23:09
Creating a new district. 00:23:16
And the necessity for school closures to be completed. 00:23:18
But I think that it would be a really great thing. 00:23:21
For our community to know if it's feasible, some of the things that were brought up in a meeting that actually came over with that 00:23:24
with me last night. 00:23:27
That would be nice if the feasibility did study did occur. 00:23:31
Would be to. 00:23:36
Not only look at can we financially. 00:23:37
Support a new district. 00:23:40
But what kind of? 00:23:42
Benefits will our teachers. 00:23:44
Thing from that I know that there are a lot of like Betsy was mentioning. 00:23:47
Economies of scale Are there economies of scale that make Granite School District a great place for our teachers? Aren't those 00:23:51
things that we wouldn't be able to provide for them? 00:23:55
So those are just a few things that I wanted to throw out there and thanks for your time. 00:23:59
Thank you. 00:24:04
Anybody else? 00:24:16
OK. 00:24:20
You're doing a great job there, by the way, Russell, in these kids. Thank you. 00:24:23
Payne, Davis. 00:24:29
2007 E Lincoln Circle. 00:24:30
You've heard the message already. Just want to bring my kids here and just relay the message. Many of you have heard from me 00:24:33
before from fireworks. The sidewalks are different things, but I just want to say and be here tonight. Did you say this is 00:24:37
priority #1? 00:24:41
My son just ran out to the bathroom but even last night. 00:24:46
He said he's like Dad. 00:24:49
Sounds like the most important thing, so we don't really talk to our kids too much about this. 00:24:52
Are the tariffs and the district? 00:24:55
You know, and I and I share that story because these little kids are hearing these are the talks that are at the dinner table and 00:24:58
these are the talks as we go on date nights with other couples and run into people in the community. This is what our age is 00:25:03
talking about right now. It is priority #1. 00:25:08
And it's something that we hope that you'll take seriously because we are and. 00:25:14
It has kind of been in your court on where it goes next. And so we hope that you'll take it as seriously as we are. So thank you 00:25:18
for your time. 00:25:22
OK I want my name is Liana Monstaff. I live at 1801 E Spring Lane. 00:25:26
And I just wanted to voice my opinion, which is different, that I don't support this. I don't support this because I don't. I 00:25:34
think the main problem is that we don't have students. 00:25:39
We don't have enough kids to support this. 00:25:44
I think that a lot of the arguments made would. 00:25:46
Some from the fact that. 00:25:50
This isn't necessarily a city issue or Granite School District issue, but we have legislation that is being passed that makes it 00:25:52
very difficult, but the way that we fund public education in the state. 00:25:57
Utah is 49th in the country per pupil spending. 00:26:01
If we open up a new school district. 00:26:05
Cost. It's going to cost a lot more than. 00:26:07
Than we might expect the legislature, the I know recently they I can't remember they passed the bill or not, but they're trying to 00:26:11
take away. 00:26:14
The availability of property for school districts to govern. How property taxes impact. 00:26:18
How that money gets funded back to the schools? 00:26:24
And so. 00:26:27
I'm concerned about opening up a new school district and then. 00:26:28
Having our property taxes increase or having continuing money being taken away from public education. 00:26:33
And so I don't think that. 00:26:39
I think that maybe in other states around the country they might have smaller school districts, but I would be very interested to 00:26:42
know what the rated people unit is for those specific students. 00:26:47
Because in Utah it is low in comparison to other states in this country. And so I think that $50,000 even though you split it 00:26:52
between 3:00. 00:26:57
Different cities might sound like a smallish kind of some, but I think that there are better uses that we could use that money for 00:27:02
in our city. 00:27:06
Thank you. Thank you. 00:27:10
I'm back Jason Brand 2251 Melody and I just wanted to comment that like what brought me here tonight is the school district. 00:27:17
You just slick the fireworks in there. 00:27:24
I think you reminded me or let me know that it was going to be on the agenda. But I do think I mean to just echo what's been 00:27:28
stated. 00:27:32
I think it's worth exploring for us. I don't think we benefit from being in one of the largest districts in the state. I think 00:27:35
like we all have talked a lot about local control and the benefits there and I think we should explore how we could benefit from 00:27:40
local controlled schools. 00:27:44
No, I wasn't going to say anything. 00:27:56
My name is Rachel Thurgood. I live at 1955 Longview Drive, Matt 21. 00:27:59
Umm, again, any of those concerns that that I, I think that a lot of the people here do have about? 00:28:04
Again, the question of the feasibility would be addressed by the study, which is the first step, so. 00:28:10
Again, any questions about funding or the particulars of teacher benefits or recruiting or opportunities that are provided to our 00:28:16
students could be addressed within that study. And like Taylor highlighted. 00:28:21
That is what the first step is and so. 00:28:27
I feel like it can be. 00:28:30
It can be harmful to you. 00:28:32
Worry about things and and I want to agree with legislation, legislation that is harmful to our schools. 00:28:34
And that's definitely something that needs to be dealt with. This was the. 00:28:40
Priority #1 issue that we're dealing with is. 00:28:44
The incorporation of our own district and that the feasibility study would address many of those issues, if they are indeed 00:28:47
issues. 00:28:50
Thank you. 00:28:54
Oh, no, you could take your time. I'm Brian home at 3400 E Rock Bank Drive. 00:29:03
It's in Mill Creek, not in Hollywood. We're very close, just across. 00:29:09
2:15. 00:29:12
Anyways, I also went to the Mill Creek meeting. 00:29:14
It heard Mayor Silvestre and he say, you know, very emotionally that. 00:29:18
When they closed Mill Creek Elementary School. 00:29:23
The town was kind of devastated, had a lot of kids that couldn't afford lunch. 00:29:25
And they kind of shut down the whole school and they had a lot of meetings about it. 00:29:29
And what I worry is that if we don't go through with this in two years, you guys can have that same meeting. 00:29:33
About a school district and or a school and elementary school and holiday where it was closed. Nobody expected to be closed and 00:29:39
then here we are. 00:29:42
And I do think that if we just had more local representation like people have been saying that I think it would be better overall 00:29:45
for everyone. So I want to say thanks. 00:29:49
Thank you. 00:29:53
Hi guys, my name is Elaine O'Neill. I live at. 00:30:02
2277 E. 4160 S. 00:30:05
I guess this isn't time for jokes Which. 00:30:10
Is awkward for me. 00:30:12
To not throw jokes out, but I'm. 00:30:14
Completely naive on all this. 00:30:17
I'm not well researched like the entire Davis clan and abandoned birds, and my wife's an attorney. She's brilliant and I'm just an 00:30:20
idiot when it comes to this stuff. But this is only about the feasibility study, correct? 00:30:25
You don't get a vote if we get to close anything or open anything or create anything new. 00:30:31
And I appreciate this young lady who was against it because she has her own views and she's standing up to the majority. I think 00:30:35
that's awesome. 00:30:39
And everything she threw out, I went oh cool, but I don't know if that's true. 00:30:44
And everything that everything up everyone else is thrown out. 00:30:47
That's cool. I don't know if it's true. I don't know if it's right. The numbers are right. 00:30:51
I think we have 60,000 people in Granite school district which blows my mind. Kids. 00:30:55
I have. 00:30:59
Five of them. 00:31:01
This seems an important issue to just explore. 00:31:04
It doesn't mean we're creating a new district yet, as I understand it. 00:31:08
But if we don't explore all the possibilities, I think we're hosed. 00:31:12
And $50,000 in all due respect between 3 cities is literally a drop in the bucket. I I have the opportunity to work with a lot of 00:31:16
cities in my. 00:31:21
Wonderful job and it's not a lot of money and apparently we have people who pay for it. 00:31:25
Outside the cities, and that's even better, right? Then I don't have to pay for the knowledge. 00:31:30
But it just seems. 00:31:36
Like having the feasibility study. 00:31:38
Is exploring all the evidence and I. 00:31:41
I've yet to hear. 00:31:44
Any reason why not to have the study? 00:31:45
Once we have it, there might be 10 reasons not to create a new district. 00:31:48
As of now. 00:31:52
I want my kids to have the best education possible and my wife, who is much smarter me, says this is a good idea. 00:31:54
So I back her. Thank you. 00:32:00
Paul said you're a smart man. 00:32:08
OK. 00:32:17
Don't be shy if you want to get up and speak, just be ready ready when this this person gets done. 00:32:21
Left out, I don't have just My name is Sierra McQueen. 00:32:28
And I'm at 4148 S, 2000 E. 00:32:30
So I just kind of reiterate what Dane is saying. I am ditching my own. I coach comp soccer and I left the girls on the field 00:32:35
because I'm like. 00:32:40
This is priority and I've talked to we're kind of a hard. 00:32:44
Group to get together because we a lot of us have like 3 or 4 kids and we've got. 00:32:50
You know, thankfully the rain came, but 2 baseball games that were supposed to happen, soccer practice. Both of my kids are just 00:32:55
talk to practice and I'm telling you. 00:32:59
Here because this is important. 00:33:03
I know 10 other people who called me today that were like, oh, I want to be there. I want to show my support, but they also have. 00:33:06
Multiple kids and multiple different activities and so. 00:33:13
I think it's hard to get the actual numbers of representation here because we are. 00:33:16
In that like middle-aged, crazy busy time of life, but I would just reiterate like this is the talk of the town in our. 00:33:21
I don't know the dental in our neighborhoods at the park. 00:33:30
Is a big issue we're worried about our schools we're worried about. 00:33:34
The fabric of the neighborhoods going forward if multiple schools closed. 00:33:37
I don't, I think there probably may have that may have to happen. We are all aware of like you know dynamic changes in the 00:33:42
community. 00:33:45
But we don't want that to be a self fulfilling prophecy that like, yeah, I don't want to move to holiday now I have to get my kids 00:33:49
3 miles to the school. It's always been a community focused. 00:33:54
Around a lot of families and a lot of like community involvement and we want to keep that energy here. 00:33:59
And I think I live right by Crestview. I love seeing just. 00:34:06
The kids all walking to and from school. They walked past my house. 00:34:10
That's a good neighborhood vibe and energy and. 00:34:15
That's why I moved to the house I live in. 00:34:19
And I would love to. 00:34:21
See that continue and also have people who have that same love for our community have control or stay in what happens. So thank 00:34:23
you. Thank you. 00:34:27
OK. 00:34:42
Blake Binky and I'm in Mill Creek but lived with my mother-in-law right across the. 00:34:48
Grass out here for a long time. 00:34:54
On Crest Hill Drive so. 00:34:57
Just want to echo what what others have said. I'm the product of a very small school district. 00:35:00
Where I grew up in Western Washington. 00:35:06
Outside of Seattle we had three elementary schools, 1 middle school in one high school. 00:35:08
I was a student observer on the school board during my senior year. 00:35:13
And set in and had direct impact. 00:35:17
I can't imagine my kids having anything. 00:35:20
Meaningful with the Granite School District school board in a situation where they're one of. 00:35:24
15 high schools ever. Many high schools we have in our district. It's a huge number and it's daunting. It was very shocking. We 00:35:29
made sacrifices. My wife and I moved back. 00:35:34
From DC, she grew up here as an Olympus graduate. 00:35:39
And wanted to live in this area because of the schools. 00:35:43
And I think that needs to be top of mind. People make sacrifices to be in this neighborhood, in Holiday and in Mill Creek in order 00:35:47
to put their kids in great public schools. And when we do that, it keeps our communities vibrant. 00:35:53
Keeps our economy strong and there's so many good things in my mind about having a smaller school district. 00:36:00
That's representative of our communities for the same reason that we like having a holiday city City Hall and Mill Creek City Hall 00:36:07
that's governing us and not Salt Lake, right? 00:36:12
There is value in having localized leadership. So I just want to say that and thank you very much. 00:36:17
Thank you. 00:36:23
My name is Brad Skinner, you heard from my wife. I'm at 1800 EN Woodside Dr. 00:36:30
I didn't grow up here, I grew up in Payson. My wife did grow up here. She often refers it to as this holiday. 00:36:34
Which is one of the things I love about it. Like I come here and I love the community, I love the involvement. I love. 00:36:42
How many people care about the city? 00:36:48
I'm with the gentleman in the blue sweatshirt. I don't know if this is a good thing or not. 00:36:51
But I would love to get the information to be able to decide that. 00:36:55
And I think everybody here would love to be able to look at the information and have that choice of. 00:36:58
Is the school district a good thing for holiday or not? So thank you for your time. 00:37:05
Thank you. 00:37:10
Hi, I'm Claire enough and I I mostly just want to express wealth. 00:37:16
We, my husband and I both went to Olympus, grew up in this neighborhood. 00:37:22
Anyways, we lived away for eight years and we came back. 00:37:27
And we are one of those families that bought a fixer upper that was really expensive. 00:37:32
And a lot of the reason we bought this Fixer upper was because we did love the neighborhood and we left the school so much and we 00:37:38
knew this was where we want to be. 00:37:43
And time and time again, my husband and I have thought like, why are we here? Why did we move here? It's so expensive. What are we 00:37:48
doing with our house? We've now lived with our in-laws for two years. 00:37:54
And we bought our house two years ago on Terra Linda. 00:38:00
And we've had to say for the last two years because we don't want to move again. We know that. 00:38:04
This is where we want to be forever and. 00:38:11
Just for my family that you've sacrificed, that we have made so that we can be here, it would just be absolutely. 00:38:14
Devastating to see something change. 00:38:20
With our schools and how amazing these schools are. 00:38:24
And we just want to do whatever we can to try and keep that. And that's all I wanted to share. 00:38:28
Thank you. 00:38:34
Hello, Graham. I'll be quick because I already spoke about fireworks, but I did like Jason. I'll come here specifically for the 00:38:43
school thing. 00:38:46
David Stephenson, 2555 Melody Drive. 00:38:51
Information is power. I think my gut is telling me that we would do a lot better with a smaller district that's more responsive to 00:38:55
us and and our needs and what we. 00:39:00
Need as three cities. 00:39:05
We can't have this conversation at all until we know the actual numbers behind it and what we're going to work with and so. 00:39:07
I just want to echo what others have said and really strongly encourage us to proceed with the feasibility study. Thank you. 00:39:13
I feel like I'm better to stop and then somebody stands up and I don't want to cut anybody off. 00:39:29
OK, well, if somebody decides to. 00:39:37
Stand up, go ahead. I won't close the public comment period here, but I will say this because all of our. 00:39:41
Everybody on this, on the. 00:39:47
Has kids or have had kids? 00:39:49
Or have grandkids. 00:39:52
That have attended our local public schools and. 00:39:55
Regardless of what happens or how things and and we all. 00:39:58
Share that same passion for our schools. 00:40:03
We're all liaisons to the public schools. We often hear from Grant School District. 00:40:05
We wish all cities were as engaged with their schools as holiday is. 00:40:11
Holiday meeting the city and our council is with our public schools so. 00:40:16
We share everybody's passion. We understand the emotion that's associated with potential. 00:40:20
Closing of schools. 00:40:27
It's not lost on us. 00:40:29
And we're happy to remain engaged in the process, like I said. 00:40:32
I could comment on a lot of things have been brought up. This is not the appropriate place for it. 00:40:35
But I am happy to meet with. 00:40:40
Anybody that wants to, it would be better for me, selfishly if you got a larger group together. 00:40:42
But I'm happy to meet with smaller groups too and some of the other council members here. 00:40:48
Have heard from their constituents that are also interested in sitting in on those meetings and communicating. 00:40:52
Where the city is at this point, we have all have personal opinions on these things, but. 00:40:58
We're acting as a council on behalf of those who have elected us, so we have to kind of deal with it from a council standpoint 00:41:04
too. 00:41:08
But I'm happy to have that conversation if somebody wants to reach out to me and put that together. 00:41:12
You can call the city, they have my cell phone number, or you can e-mail me or e-mail any of your council members and we can set 00:41:18
up a meeting. We're happy to sit down with you face to face and have an honest conversation about. 00:41:24
Where we think things are. 00:41:30
In the process. 00:41:33
That makes that makes sense. 00:41:35
Let me also thank everybody for their civility. 00:41:38
These are emotional issues and. 00:41:42
We're lucky to live in a community where regardless of. 00:41:45
People's positions on things, even when they are contentious. 00:41:48
I can't think of any situations where we haven't had people be civil to one another, and I think we could all use a little bit 00:41:52
more of that so. 00:41:56
Thanks everybody for coming out. 00:42:00
I'm going to close public comment. We're going to move on with the agenda. 00:42:02
And uh. 00:42:06
I'm assuming you're not going to want to stay to hear his vote on this stuff, but. 00:42:07
Yeah, now you can clap. 00:42:12
All right. Thank you. 00:42:17
Thank you. 00:42:21
Give me just a minute. 00:42:24
Thank you. 00:42:53
Thank you. 00:42:54
All right. 00:43:04
We're going to move on to, well, everybody's clearing out. We can still proceed here. 00:43:05
We're going to move on to item number 4 on the agenda. This is the result. This is the resolution adopting the. 00:43:10
City financial policies. We reviewed this with Christian, who's hopefully a new daddy. 00:43:16
I think hopefully. 00:43:24
And Gina at her last council meeting, any questions that it's the financial policies in the packet. So anything we need to clarify 00:43:27
before we go to a motion? 00:43:32
Mr. Mayor, I move approval of Resolution 2025 National 5 adopting City financial policies. 00:43:41
Second, have a motion. A second, we'll go to vote Councilmember Brewer. 00:43:48
Councilmember Durham Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham? Yes. Councilmember Quinn. 00:43:52
Councilmember Gray, yes, sure about yes, that resolution is passed. Thank you. 00:43:57
Next on the agenda is the interlocal agreement of the county for election services. Any questions for staff? 00:44:02
Before we go to a motion on this. 00:44:09
Resolution. 00:44:12
I just had one question. Does. 00:44:14
The change in state law about Mellon. 00:44:17
Mail in voting, does that change the cost for the city on anything? OK. 00:44:20
I I think the mailing. 00:44:26
Voting changes it less. 00:44:31
Than some of the changes on observing election sites. 00:44:33
And having recording of election sites and ensuring the security. 00:44:37
Of election drop boxes. 00:44:41
Don't be shy, Mr. Mayor, I move. 00:44:49
Adoption of resolution 2025. Dash. 00:44:51
6 Approving the interlocal agreement with the county for election services. 00:44:55
Second, the motion. A second will go to vote. Councilmember Brewer, Yes. Councilmember Durham, Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, 00:44:59
Yes. Councilmember Quinn, Yes. Councilmember Gray, yes. And that resolution is approved. Thank you. 00:45:06
Traffic signal installation on Murray Holiday Rd. This just details the cost. 00:45:14
Anything you want to clarify on this, Tina, before we go to motion? I think it's pretty straightforward. 00:45:18
Take a motion on this one then. 00:45:25
Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve Resolution 2025-07 approving an interlocal agreement with Salt Lake County for a traffic signal 00:45:29
installation. 00:45:34
Second motion and 2nd will go to vote Councilmember Brewer, Yes. Councilmember Durham Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham Yes. 00:45:39
Councilmember Quinn. Council Member Gray. 00:45:44
Chair votes yes, that resolution is approved. 00:45:49
And finally, an agreement on county reimbursement for TRCC grant funds for to convene a study on the Big Cottonwood room and 00:45:52
improvements there. Any questions for staff before we go to motion? 00:45:58
Or we take a motion. 00:46:07
Mr. Merriment, approval of Resolution 2025-08 approving your local agreement with Salt Lake County. 00:46:08
To reimburse the 2025 TRCC grant funds. 00:46:13
Second motion and 2nd, we'll go to vote. Councilmember Brewer, Councilmember Durham, Councilmember Fotheringham, Councilmember 00:46:17
Quinn, Councilmember Gray and chair votes. Yes, that resolution is approved. Thank you. Consent agenda. Any questions, 00:46:23
clarifications, edits on March 6th or March 20th minutes? 00:46:29
If not, we'll take a motion on the consent agenda. 00:46:39
This mayor motion that we approve minutes for March 23rd, March 6th and 20th. 00:46:42
Second motion to second. All in favor say aye, aye aye. Any opposed? 00:46:47
Then opposed count the consent agenda is approved and City Manager report Gina. 00:46:53
Right, so today was the great shakeout. 00:47:02
And as part of that day, we did a little exercise here at City Hall. 00:47:07
Where we simulated what would happen if we had a sub. 00:47:13
Targeted microbursts that knocked out our power, took down some trees and damaged our roof. So you all probably got some 00:47:19
communication from us. 00:47:24
In that regard, we would have canceled this meeting. Power is important for us to meet. 00:47:29
We did learn some things about where our vulnerabilities are in terms of contacting staff. 00:47:36
And others that use this building. 00:47:45
And so that we'll be incorporating that into our processes going forward, so you'll never need to test this again. 00:47:48
It sounds very similar to an actual emergency that we had in 2020. 00:47:57
I did want to alert the Council to a number of grant applications that we will be making over the next couple of weeks to couple 00:48:04
of months. 00:48:09
The first is an application that is due next week. It is a reapplication for the earmark. 00:48:15
That we had were targeted to receive in the current year's federal budget. 00:48:24
If you want to remember in lieu of adopting a budget. 00:48:30
Federal government. 00:48:35
Adopted the continuing resolution that will continue through September 30th and so. 00:48:37
Our earmark, which is part of a it's called the Community Project Fund. 00:48:42
Was put on hold. 00:48:49
So we're going to reapply and hopefully we'll have an idea of whether or not that will be funded by July ish. 00:48:50
No promises on the timeline this current year, just like there were no promises last year, but hopefully we'll have a little more 00:49:02
clarity in the next couple of. 00:49:06
Months, you may remember that we had applied for $2 million last year. 00:49:12
And the appropriations committees have whittled that down to. 00:49:19
1.65 million. 00:49:24
We're going to reapply for $2,000,000 and see where we end up. 00:49:26
So that is 1 application we'll be making. 00:49:30
Will be applying for a program. 00:49:34
That is funded by you dot through the Transportation Alternative Program or TAP. 00:49:38
For a sidewalk filling project on the South side of 5600 S from Highland Drive to Van Winkle. 00:49:43
And will apply. 00:49:50
For up to 250 that we're still working through some engineering cost estimates on that project. 00:49:55
The deadline is April 30th, so I wanted to make you aware before your next meeting, but on the 1st I'll be able to give you an 00:50:01
exact number for that application. 00:50:06
We'll be applying through EU dot Safe Sidewalks program, also due on April 30th for the second phase. 00:50:13
Of a sidewalk filling project on the north side of 45th South. 00:50:21
Extending, we were doing one piece in this year. 00:50:27
From Olympus Hills Park, I think we're going to 2980 and this phase two would take us down to 2900 E. 00:50:32
And that number is also still in development with a Max of $200,000 for that application. 00:50:41
Another Safe Routes to School sidewalk fill in project on the West side of 20th East from Lincoln Lane to 39th South. 00:50:51
That deadline is a little farther out. That is May 23rd and we're looking at a project between 200 and $300,000. 00:50:59
I'll update you with a final number before we submit for that application. 00:51:10
We will. You just approved an agreement. 00:51:18
With Salt Lake County for a study for track funding for our auditorium. 00:51:22
We will apply by June 16th. 00:51:29
Based on that study results for somebody to. 00:51:32
Complete at that auditorium entrance and other enhancements the study is going to tell us about. 00:51:37
And again, that number is to be determined. 00:51:43
And we are crossing our fingers that we can make a court or preservation program. 00:51:48
Requests We need willing sellers for a project that we've discussed before and I will update you on that one the next time we need 00:51:55
as well. 00:51:59
If any members of the Council have concerns about any of those applications, please let me know now, otherwise we'll proceed with 00:52:05
those applications. 00:52:09
I have no concerns, I'm just curious. I'm 45 S is that is our objective to try to get sidewalk? 00:52:15
Is that right? 00:52:21
Yeah, OK. And but that's they're all. 00:52:26
In financial grants. 00:52:28
It's a little an unusual situation because 45 S is a state Rd. 00:52:31
And so generally the owner of that road would provide those improvements. In this case, you dot is asking us to apply. 00:52:37
And then provide a match or improvements on the road. 00:52:45
Thanks for the Air Rd. 00:52:51
OK, anything for Gina before she sits down. 00:52:56
OK. Thanks, Tina. 00:53:01
All right, I guess we'll go with council report. Emily, why don't we start with you and we'll work our way down the line. 00:53:03
Just one thank you. I want to thank. 00:53:09
Holiday Fire Department once again District 5 has had increased need of your services and I just want to publicly thank you for 00:53:12
protecting businesses and homes. 00:53:19
And all that you do to protect our families and community because we have needed you a lot lately and we are grateful. 00:53:27
So this last week I went to the Driggs Elementary and the Churchill Junior High. 00:53:37
Community council meetings. This is the time of year where they finalize how they're going to spend the. 00:53:44
How was it the trust land? The trust land money? 00:53:52
And I just want to recognize and shout out appreciation for. 00:53:56
All the parents and also the the teachers and administrators at all of our schools. 00:54:03
For the time and effort that they put in, because if you've ever been in. 00:54:10
One of these discussions, it's very detailed and you know, what are we going to? 00:54:16
What are we going to include? You know, do we have enough money for how many? 00:54:20
Teachers or how many paraprofessionals in to support those teachers and. 00:54:25
I just appreciate the work that they all do. 00:54:30
That's it. 00:54:33
USA Finance Committee that I'm on, we met and we've seen the initial. 00:54:40
Preliminary budget and it looks like. 00:54:46
Our member fee increase will be in the 4.2 ish percent. I've got the budget book over in the other room the specifics but. 00:54:49
Our percent was a little higher than most other member cities just because so much of the cost is. 00:54:59
Allocated based on call volume and our call volume. 00:55:04
Went up probably your district over there and hope we can allocate property to our tax here. 00:55:07
Anyway, uh. 00:55:16
Yes, our tall wine has been up a little bit. No, actually most of our call volume is medical related, not fire related. So that's 00:55:17
a funny joke, but it's. 00:55:21
Actually, it's our medical calls, they go up significantly and so it's. 00:55:25
Primarily, we're a bit higher than some of the other member cities. UFSA had a much higher increase, but primarily because they. 00:55:30
Opted to increase their service levels at some of their stations, but. 00:55:36
Hours of course is 4 point, I want to say 2 ish 4.14.2, something like that, but I've got that. 00:55:40
Numbers over in the hall. 00:55:45
The question, so for that for incidents, is it like the size of the incident, does that make a difference or is it just the number 00:55:47
of call outs or is the bomb squad 10X? 00:55:51
Just wondering, I don't know if you know that because I know we just if there's call allocation, I don't know if it's called type, 00:55:57
but there's different rates for call type. 00:56:01
Actually on the north side where? 00:56:07
So that's why someone. 00:56:09
That offsets the cost because. 00:56:15
USA. 00:56:17
Divide more. 00:56:19
But it's not not called. But there's not a different allocation based on the call type, it's just. 00:56:21
800 more for whatever reason. 00:56:26
Yeah, yeah. So it's the medical stuff. You can have one big nasty call at the same price. 00:56:31
And then normally I'd be reporting on Arts Council, but we decided recently to go from the third Wednesday to the fourth 00:56:41
Wednesday, so it's next week, so. 00:56:44
I have to wait until next council meeting to read the Rights Council, although you probably noticed the signs for auditions going 00:56:48
on downstairs today for Newsies so. 00:56:52
There'll be lots of discussions about Arts Council and this theater thing, I'm sure, but. 00:56:56
That's what's going on with your Arts Council, That's all I have. 00:57:01
I wanted to talk a little bit about the tree Committee activities. On April 25th, there will be a tree planting in connection with 00:57:06
Arbor Day at Cottonwood Elementary. 00:57:10
I will be there and I think the mayor will be there. I will not I, I told. 00:57:15
I have this opportunity to attend some kind of luncheon. 00:57:20
That John Kurt. That John Kurt, Senator Curtis is. 00:57:24
Is hosting. 00:57:28
Due to the. Well, kind of due to usually. 00:57:31
Not big on that stuff, but. 00:57:35
But I'm concerned about stuff that's going on at the federal level and thought I actually want to attend this one so. 00:57:37
They haven't. They're keeping the location. 00:57:42
Not public, so I don't know where it's going to be, but I have to divert this location. 00:57:46
An undisclosed location. Anyway, I've been told I can take up to one minute. 00:57:51
Talk about trees. 00:57:57
So I'm gonna try and do that. 00:57:59
And then on May 17th is our tree giveaway. 00:58:00
Registration and sign up for that is ongoing right now. I know that we've had pretty good response so far. 00:58:04
I also wanted to mention a little bit about. 00:58:10
Holiday Happy Healthy Holiday Health Coalition. 00:58:14
We got some responses in connection with the city survey. 00:58:19
We were able to piggyback a question into that about public health. 00:58:23
The feedback we got is that people were most concerned with issues related to mental health and. 00:58:27
Air quality, asthma and all those kinds of things, so. 00:58:34
The coalition will be thinking about ways to kind of address those kinds of issues. 00:58:38
Drew and I will also be collaborating with a local LDS stake in the next few weeks about on an emergency preparedness fair. 00:58:43
And we're looking forward to being involved with that. 00:58:52
And then they're almost done formulating their core working group for their key leaders in the community. 00:58:56
Which will be an opportunity to sort of put together a group of. 00:59:02
Kind of opinion leaders in the community time public health issues to. 00:59:06
Sort of get feedback and advice. Advice. 00:59:10
That's all I have. 00:59:13
Thanks, Matt. 00:59:15
The Historical Commission had their medium. 00:59:19
During spring break and so I wasn't there but. 00:59:21
And so because the next speaker is Marty Bradley Evans. 00:59:23
Who's under historical mission but she's. 00:59:29
Super qualified for issues sharply pH D and. 00:59:32
In I don't know if it's history specifically, but she's very very umm. 00:59:37
An authority, I guess, on what she's doing. An architectural travel guide to Utah. 00:59:43
Now beyond May 12th. 00:59:48
And I'll be the speaker series for that month, OK? 00:59:50
And May has also made Preservation Month. 00:59:53
Umm, And I was thinking that maybe again, I was at the meeting, I was thinking, well, that when we do the, the, the walk with the 00:59:56
QR codes in that, Gina, do you recall? 01:00:00
And is that what Preservation Month means? 01:00:05
And I honestly don't know if they're doing that level this year. So maybe we'll circle back on. 01:00:08
OK. 01:00:14
And. 01:00:16
The on the Mosquito Abatement District, it looks likely that they'll be going through the. 01:00:18
But I will just say. 01:00:23
From my involvement in that, they're extremely thrifty. It's been a long time since they've done it and. 01:00:25
Was being good stewards? I think so. 01:00:31
But that's likely for this year. 01:00:33
That's it. OK, just a couple of things. 01:00:35
And Francis and myself met with. 01:00:39
Jared from. 01:00:42
Yesterday. 01:00:45
Kiln is a shared real upscale shared office space. 01:00:46
Uh, business. 01:00:53
That is taking 60,000 square feet I believe in. 01:00:54
The Holiday Hill site, so they'll be on half the 2nd floor and half the third floor. 01:00:59
And so they're looking to open in the September time frame. So keep it on your radar and we'll get a tour and do a ribbon cutting. 01:01:04
But. 01:01:08
The diagrams are amazing. We met with. 01:01:12
The developers to go over a number of issues today, myself and Tina and John. 01:01:17
And Anne were there. 01:01:22
Some really exciting. 01:01:23
Things on the horizon in terms of tenants that are going to be coming on board that we can announce, but. 01:01:27
We did get a application from. 01:01:34
Business license application and we have the. 01:01:39
The TI's and whatnot from Trader Joe's. 01:01:43
So, um. 01:01:46
The developer. 01:01:49
Really kind of bound in terms of not being able to communicate but. 01:01:51
Since that is a public document, it's something I can say publicly, right, Gina? 01:01:55
It wasn't, but I hope so because I. 01:01:59
You can't unring that bell, right? Yeah. 01:02:04
I think that is. 01:02:09
And we'll be working with their. 01:02:12
Public relations team to kind of. 01:02:15
Figure out what they want us to do what what they would prefer we do and not do in terms of announcing that. 01:02:18
But since it's a public document, I can say it I'm saying it. 01:02:24
And I think it will be for most people, an exciting development in the holiday and. 01:02:28
And a major. 01:02:34
Anchor for that site and it will go in the Macy's building. 01:02:36
On the bottom of the Macy's building. 01:02:40
Didn't we hear that Trader Joe's in Cottonwood Heights is there? 01:02:43
Number one. 01:02:47
Sales tax. 01:02:48
I couldn't imagine. I mean, I would think, I would think Home Depot, yeah. 01:02:52
More than Home Depot, yeah. 01:02:58
They do a lot of business. We've been we've done that. Top secret information to you never. 01:02:59
The reveal is under plenty of whatever. 01:03:04
Anyway, you know, and there's a. 01:03:07
There's a lot of other things going on there that that. 01:03:09
That are going to be really exciting. We got they leaked a couple of the names, which I won't say because they are under Ndas, but 01:03:13
when residents hear about them, I think they will be be really, really excited so. 01:03:19
It's something to look forward to down the road. 01:03:25
And I just got to know. 01:03:27
Captain Brown, if you've heard any rumors about me in the USA. 01:03:30
Circulating. 01:03:35
So I got a spool in my backyard of spools like a. 01:03:38
A10 by 14 pool that I don't know how to properly maintain and evidently mixing. 01:03:41
Uric acid and chlorine is not. 01:03:47
Not a good thing, in fact, he said. Well, the pool guy said, well, I think he just made mustard gas. 01:03:51
And Captain Sessions showed up and then after that the hazmat team showed up. 01:03:58
And it and and so it's like, well. 01:04:06
This will be circulating through USA. They're there for like 3 hours. 01:04:09
And then a couple of days ago, there's HIPAA issues here, but one of my neighbors. 01:04:14
Fell and then his wife fell and. 01:04:20
Our neighborhood tech start going all over our neighborhoods. You know our neighborhoods are they take care of each other. 01:04:23
And so I walked over there in my golf shorts and my golf shirt. 01:04:28
Seeing what's up and the updater guys are there wanting to know what I'm doing and. 01:04:33
After session comes out and goes, hey that's the mayor, you can let him through to see. How dumb. I had forgotten that on my 01:04:38
vacation my grandson wanted to paint my toenails red. 01:04:43
And. 01:04:50
So they're looking at my toenails and I'm like, I looked at Captain Sessions and I'm like, well. 01:04:51
This Here we go. 01:04:58
Yeah, it's not a good. It's a good thing I'm not on the board. You didn't come up a board meeting. You didn't come up with board 01:05:03
meeting. I would have been. 01:05:06
Happy to hear about that anyway those. 01:05:09
Those guys are great and I'm sorry, I'm their mayor. 01:05:13
All right, that's all, that's all I've got. So we'll just take a a recessed quick break and move across the hall. Mr. Merriman, 01:05:18
would we recess City Council and reconvening the work meeting across the hall. 01:05:23
All in favor say aye aye. 01:05:30
Move across the hall. 01:05:32
Really have to. 01:05:39
Have this on the agenda next Council meeting too. 01:05:40
Vote what we're going to submit to the county in terms of our restriction and. 01:05:44
In the packet is what we've done in years past and what we did last year, I think. 01:05:49
In terms of the areas we restricted. 01:05:53
I think that's right. 01:05:56
And read. 01:06:23
No, I was just last year. 01:06:27
So what do you think? That was their second year? 01:06:30
No, I don't think I could find out real quick, but I think it was just last year. 01:06:32
Yeah, we did for sure. And I think Oscar was compromised too. 01:06:37
So last year this map shows what we approved, which is similar to. 01:06:42
The map that we had approved in 2021. 01:06:50
And it's consistent with. 01:06:54
There's state statute that tells us how we can restrict and the conditions. 01:06:57
Under which we can restrict fireworks. 01:07:02
So rather than going with a straight line and 13 piece which essentially prohibited fire release. 01:07:05
Civic life, We allowed fireworks in some areas and those are the areas that are later. 01:07:12
See the one method. 01:07:20
No, this one, no this ones online with the fire. So the one that is in your packet was last year's. 01:07:24
Yeah. 01:07:31
So it's 2020. 01:07:33
It's different that like, there's that, there's that popping up in groups that's ice, like that island of Indus. 01:07:35
History. 01:07:41
For Neff Canyon. 01:07:43
Didn't we expand? 01:07:45
The Spring Creek area to. 01:07:47
The next one you have that has. 01:07:49
Just there's no map, but it has the. 01:07:52
Description The description. 01:07:55
That's kind of what we went through because we send it to. 01:07:58
UFA to do the mapping. 01:08:01
Because I I thought it would take Spring Creek all the way to 45th because of. 01:08:03
Concerns. Yeah, and that's what this is. Is that 45th? 01:08:08
45th this year it's 4430 on it's 45th, but it's all the way over there. 01:08:14
That's where we expanded it too. I just remember we. 01:08:32
Wine, whatever we had, so that includes the widening of the area. 01:08:35
It's the one of them. Is that the expert there in the Morgan Dr. one? 01:08:41
What is that? 01:08:50
And it's, I can tell, I don't know if that's a little bit because it is, because it's 200 people. 01:08:51
Magali because that's that's the new one that wasn't on. There's the one. 01:09:02
Alright, thank you. So I mean. 01:09:11
The big issue is. 01:09:14
Busy because I I don't think we have a problem with, unless I'm mistaken with. 01:09:17
The math we had last year in terms of the barriers that we restricted. 01:09:23
Like do we want to add to it? It's do we? 01:09:27
Do we want to go back to restriction east of 13th East? 01:09:30
Based off of. 01:09:36
Conditions and California, are you going to stay with what we have? 01:09:38
And I think you know, what can we do? 01:09:43
So again and I spoke with the Fire Marshall for USAA. 01:09:47
His recommendation was not to. 01:09:54
Not to make more of the city available to. 01:09:57
Fireworks, Ben. 01:10:02
I did not fear him recommending he was the former. This is kind of kind of where he was at the first Cottonwood Heights 70. If you 01:10:06
stroll down to contact Heights and see there, there's even more. 01:10:11
Ours, they have pockets them all over. 01:10:18
But the. 01:10:21
To restrict more, I don't know if you've ever brought Larson. Once you give open an area, it's hard to take it back, so you have 01:10:23
to have two out of the five last five years to be. 01:10:29
Throughout or some sort of condition which we don't have. 01:10:34
Or it's got to be. 01:10:37
Really the only thing that you can show is if it's more of a readily. 01:10:39
Easy to define area. 01:10:45
That's the kind of where you could do it. Like if you say, OK, Mill Creek is here and this is a line, that's the way to do it. But 01:10:47
that's really would be the only reason that you could. 01:10:51
Restrict more is just by making it more. At least they can find a real. 01:10:56
I will say there was number. 01:10:59
There wasn't an increase in responses. 01:11:02
What's this? Last year version Two other ones? 01:11:05
And Conwood Heights, their chief program, is thinking, is there anything to keep it there or expand it more? 01:11:08
And then precise. 01:11:15
90%. 01:11:17
When you say expanded more, make more available ready to file so they're going to show the other one, if at all. 01:11:20
If at all, they're not restricted. 01:11:27
Cast is normal to above normal fire behavior which. 01:11:31
I'm not having a forecast in July. 01:11:36
But it's not supposed to be any sort of drought conditions. We'll do with that. You can always pivot if all of a sudden you have 01:11:39
super drudge here or something. 01:11:43
There's a trigger. There's a trigger. 01:11:47
To change it. 01:11:50
But that would be the only way to restrict their TV's above is to say. 01:11:51
It's too hard. 01:11:55
To enforce physical instances. 01:11:57
What's the penalty for people to validate? 01:12:01
$1000 thousand dollars $1000 It's a hefty fine and haven't we? 01:12:07
I'd be curious. 01:12:11
Plus several damages. 01:12:14
If there's yeah, somebody goes out there simply. But the firework penalty is, I mean, like I said, it's $1000 fine. It's pretty 01:12:16
hefty and I usually have. 01:12:20
Officers out on the 4th and 24th and generally a day or before specifically, however. 01:12:24
And to Dan's point, he tells the. 01:12:30
You know I. 01:12:32
It was a couple of years of 13, these two numbers. 01:12:33
Lot easier to enforce. 01:12:35
It gets a little complicated in some of the areas when. 01:12:38
This street one block over is legal, and this street is not the whole thing. They're doing it. Why can't we? Is there any sense of 01:12:42
the number of citations? 01:12:45
But there's not a ton, are there any you think? 01:12:50
I'm sorry. 01:12:53
Generally there's a couple every year that get issues. 01:12:56
The hard part is if we get called. 01:13:01
Just on just a general somebody'd like fireworks in restricted area. 01:13:04
If it's during a time that. 01:13:08
And and there's nothing. 01:13:13
Nothing being thrust, no structures are being threatened or anything like that. 01:13:14
It's a lower priority call for us and so. 01:13:18
It takes a minute to get there and a lot of times. 01:13:21
Unless it's on the 4th or 24th. 01:13:25
It's generally somebody lights off a couple foot fireworks and it's done and then they're gone. 01:13:28
And so even if somebody called and we had an officer available right away, it gets there. 01:13:33
Generally, they're not going to find it. 01:13:37
And then what's the side of what they have right now? They're allowed. 01:13:42
One day before or two days after. 01:13:47
Support that. 01:13:50
And then Chinese New Year, I think, but I think, yeah, yeah. 01:13:52
Well, has it been that this happened to find for a long time the last bus? 01:14:00
It it got up. 01:14:06
Three or four years ago. 01:14:08
And I know that fear is heightened because obviously it's a tough way, right? 01:14:13
You often Christmas like. 01:14:18
Yeah. And so. 01:14:22
My personal take on policy. 01:14:25
But I do think that we should try to force it, and I do think that it's a big deal and it's a big deal. 01:14:28
In these in certain areas that are where A50 catastrophe and that's correct. That's why I like our policy. 01:14:33
Because there are options that people end up. 01:14:40
And if you blink that the whole thing. 01:14:42
You can see that it's like I don't. 01:14:45
And I'd like to see issue citations. 01:14:49
Violated weakness. 01:14:53
Yeah, especially up above, up in the Hughes Canyon area where we have urban interface and in that Walker Lane area there. 01:14:57
We're all afraid of something starting there. Those are the areas that concern me. 01:15:05
So I generally during the holidays, the actual holidays, they're legal to enforce those areas. I'll generally have one, sometimes 01:15:13
two officers out for. 01:15:17
Generally from like 10:00 to 1:10 PM to 1:00 AM. 01:15:22
And it's the overtime shift form about specific for fireworking. 01:15:25