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And I have some other neighbors that just kind of live around there and I can't remember anything else. | 00:00:03 | |
In a circle. | 00:00:08 | |
One of the little circles. | 00:00:10 | |
3000 to the West. | 00:00:14 | |
The copies. | 00:00:17 | |
Yeah. | 00:00:22 | |
I. | 00:00:35 | |
Everybody seems a little frazzled. | 00:00:46 | |
And. | 00:00:51 | |
I put in my hours of sleep. | 00:00:57 | |
Thank you for say that this is older daughter. | 00:01:13 | |
Well, I don't know who has the best side of my story. | 00:01:29 | |
What's the weather? | 00:01:33 | |
My phone was dead. I woke up at 3:40 or whatever. | 00:01:38 | |
And that was my. | 00:01:43 | |
From the opposite house. | 00:01:47 | |
And my I grab my phone and it put on the charger takes like power out and then it does the emergency broadcasting right then. | 00:01:52 | |
And it says I just really quick this is an immediate evacuation order for explosion. | 00:02:03 | |
Evacuation must be at 1:30 AM. | 00:02:12 | |
You can play my screenshot here. It says Alexa announcement from Smash Everybody kind of. | 00:02:19 | |
And so, and I heard the thing about both with elementary. I'm like okay, we need to replace 2 hours ago. | 00:02:28 | |
So I don't know. I thought it was with a cell tower. So I don't know how they go. That is. That's weird. I mean, it's incredible. | 00:02:58 | |
Well, I think the mayor and I might have to be. We were sitting there watching the drone camera. | 00:03:18 | |
Taking it and putting the dynamite in the. | 00:03:25 | |
And covering it up. And yeah, we were right there. I heard that fire in the whole thing on that recording. | 00:03:29 | |
Well, and you can start recording, John, but. | 00:03:40 | |
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that went on, but the most. | 00:03:45 | |
The part that was thought was. | 00:03:49 | |
They they detonated the timeline in the pit 1st and then they were going in 10 minutes later to. | 00:03:54 | |
That. | 00:04:03 | |
Really feel about this fresh. | 00:04:07 | |
My letter you here for? | 00:04:14 | |
These fireworks. | 00:04:17 | |
We're done. | 00:04:21 | |
Anyway, but I was just telling them that I could Harry as far as the whole evening for me was. | 00:04:30 | |
The second detonation was occurring 10 minutes after the person that kept it in the basement said We might believe it, there's | 00:04:36 | |
best place for it. | 00:04:41 | |
And. | 00:04:46 | |
There is nothing we were all like, well, he's going to go look well, that's a good because. | 00:04:50 | |
4 minutes later we're talking about it. | 00:05:00 | |
I mean it just went and we were all like with anybody in checking the Empire, because if they did, they were, they were going, it | 00:05:03 | |
was in that second explosion was huge or at least. | 00:05:10 | |
I never heard A A toxins so. | 00:05:19 | |
What they did first, last one of their the way to do this is a wire connection and like 50 feet or so it can house. | 00:05:26 | |
Yeah, I'm just talking to it. And part of that disconnected when the first explosion reset happened. | 00:05:34 | |
So they walked that back, trouble shot, and they let us. | 00:05:41 | |
It did. Basically the phone holds so when there said it is quiet, nothing happened for no more communications. | 00:05:45 | |
Nowhere. The second one happened, that's when they went fix it in the back and detonated it. It just didn't announce it again. | 00:05:53 | |
Yeah, well, the radio. | 00:05:57 | |
Things happen in those situations. | 00:06:03 | |
So I'm starting calling that back. As far as all this next year communications, I'm like, OK. | 00:06:08 | |
I have drawn here, started on up there to see what's going on with another person. | 00:06:12 | |
They're talking somebody. | 00:06:17 | |
All of it, everything very good. | 00:06:41 | |
Anyway, well, thanks for being here Chief, and welcome for your work. And of course, let's see, you guys were awesome. | 00:06:46 | |
All right, I. | 00:06:57 | |
Well, I I would imagine. | 00:07:09 | |
We need to say anything about this before public comment. I mean, I guess you should mention it, but. | 00:07:13 | |
And I was planning on mentioning it in in my report and then if you have questions. | 00:07:21 | |
Let's leave it to that then. I'm trying to think his first responders in my. | 00:07:31 | |
Capital Report. | 00:07:39 | |
So we'll try to leave. | 00:07:41 | |
Comments about this Gina and whatever we want to say kind of. Let's see if anybody had any questions. | 00:07:44 | |
We kind of cover it at that point in terms of. | 00:07:50 | |
The status of the city as it relates to the after effects of this and what we're doing. | 00:07:54 | |
And see what questions the council has, just so you're clear that we continue to communicate this. | 00:08:01 | |
All right. | 00:08:09 | |
So public hearing of proposed amendments title 13.62. This is this is raising a height in the C2 zones. | 00:08:12 | |
If he seekers on the 35 to 40 feet, dogs will be presenting on that. We have an applicant it will the applicant be here? Apple | 00:08:20 | |
might be here, his representative. | 00:08:27 | |
Do we need to hear from them? I. | 00:08:38 | |
Yeah, I think it would be a good idea. | 00:08:41 | |
Historic Preservation ordinance to get in the packet. | 00:08:52 | |
I do have, I think. Do we have any other e-mail folks? I did receive one from Ron Hilton today. | 00:08:56 | |
Anybody else received anything on this? It relates to the public hearing. | 00:09:03 | |
I think we'll get some people showing that probably, anyway, but. | 00:09:10 | |
There's in the Packet Planning Commission's review that and, well, we can discuss it after the public hearing review that one | 00:09:20 | |
again. | 00:09:24 | |
And as fast as you like. | 00:09:33 | |
Animal Services, again there in the that information, all the data is in the pack. I'm sure they're just going to walk. | 00:09:41 | |
My e-mail and we're hoping to pull that. | 00:09:49 | |
We don't need a motion. We just need to say, well, we're going to move this to A. | 00:09:54 | |
All right. | 00:10:02 | |
I'm sorry, I. | 00:10:11 | |
Coordinates the amendment the zone change from RMPO. I think that was clarified. | 00:10:16 | |
Any issues on that? | 00:10:27 | |
I'll probably just ask her any questions or or council final questions and we'll take a motion on that one. | 00:10:29 | |
The development agreement, again, it's in the packet. I think it was pretty straightforward for what I read through. Did anybody | 00:10:37 | |
have any questions or issues with? It's pretty simple. | 00:10:43 | |
Predominantly agreement, so it is basically. | 00:10:50 | |
Needs to start and where the setbacks are, which is I think all the setbacks are in existing. | 00:10:55 | |
I think I know why I'm concerned that way. This is X feet and Y feet. Is that our references to these? | 00:11:04 | |
That has been amended that those numbers should have been placed. | 00:11:11 | |
They have been clarified. | 00:11:19 | |
And I'll see if we can. | 00:11:22 | |
Yeah, that's because if not, I think we need to probably at least make a comment about that, that the X&Y agree this. Yeah, | 00:11:29 | |
because the X's and Y at least the distances are, but we're, but we're still left with X&Y and agreement. | 00:11:38 | |
And I just was assuming that those were. | 00:11:48 | |
Exhibit conferences. | 00:11:51 | |
Yeah, the references look percent 25% too. But there's an element of the language X&Y. Yeah, and. | 00:11:53 | |
Probably filled in. It's kind of important. And then I saw the exhibit that only that just. | 00:12:05 | |
You just need to find it for you. | 00:12:12 | |
I mean, the information was there. | 00:12:20 | |
We care about this. | 00:12:28 | |
Usually not me. | 00:12:33 | |
Minutes. Any issues with minutes from January 18th, February 7th and 15th? | 00:12:49 | |
I sent that e-mail to Stephanie. She didn't respond that while she's not here today. | 00:12:56 | |
On the February 15th, the first page where it says briefing session is dated the January 18th one of the. | 00:13:02 | |
But I don't think that's substantively. | 00:13:15 | |
How important matters? | 00:13:20 | |
But he said that right. | 00:13:24 | |
Impressively. | 00:13:27 | |
It's a. | 00:13:32 | |
Yeah, Stephanie does some of them and then. | 00:13:36 | |
My Dennis split references are not included. | 00:13:45 | |
No reference to walnuts or. | 00:13:52 | |
Date on one of the board that was. | 00:14:02 | |
2023 and I think Stephanie changed it. | 00:14:07 | |
Yeah, you just need to update the date. I think it's October 15, 2023. | 00:14:12 | |
Here's an update. I think that's it, but the fireworks issue. | 00:14:18 | |
Is so I mean we've got our ordinance impact ready to go. | 00:14:24 | |
And the Fire Marshall Fred Larson technique here basically has kept the restrictions 1300 E. | 00:14:31 | |
And automated all holiday. | 00:14:44 | |
We've got to drop from there. | 00:14:47 | |
So we have some latitude, I guess soon. | 00:14:50 | |
You know from his recommendation what we're going to do. | 00:14:54 | |
Umm, Salt Lake City and Mill Creek. | 00:14:58 | |
Have adopted those restrictions as they have the last couple of years, where they basically are restricting all the fireworks, in | 00:15:02 | |
their case east of 900 E. | 00:15:06 | |
You said you have something from publicity. | 00:15:11 | |
Last year they did not follow the 1300 E recommendation and so they have larger areas of their city that were not restricted. | 00:15:18 | |
While they haven't discussed the issue yet this year, my understanding is that that is likely to continue all the big span the | 00:15:25 | |
middle. | 00:15:33 | |
Him hard work, experience and then. | 00:15:42 | |
I know that Mister Pilgrim is much more familiar with that than I am in Chicago providing details about. | 00:15:46 | |
Recommendation of the Fire Marshall and what options you have. | 00:15:55 | |
Or be OK To do that here we need to make the window across the hall. | 00:16:00 | |
I think we can. We can certainly ask some questions here if you could have a more complete. | 00:16:04 | |
Issue. | 00:16:15 | |
Based on some of the public comment you're seeing piping Creek, you're pretty clear where you're at with this was you know you | 00:16:18 | |
know if we should go back to that we had prior to these drought conditions that generated this restriction. | 00:16:25 | |
So I think that's the issue is I think we have the ability in the absence of something compelling, yeah, we can do it before we | 00:16:33 | |
could do it. | 00:16:38 | |
Statue didn't allow us to do the fire Marshall didn't the authority to restrict everything east of 13,000 E that we would like a. | 00:16:45 | |
I don't know where the Council down on this or what questions you have of. | 00:16:56 | |
Of Chief Pilgrim. | 00:17:00 | |
I've had several people reach out to me saying. | 00:17:02 | |
We didn't have any fires before. Why? Why can't we go back to our neighborhood gatherings Now? We know some people have crazy | 00:17:06 | |
stuff. | 00:17:12 | |
People saying they didn't want fireworks and I don't anymore and I now have had a few people saying they wanted me to do. | 00:17:25 | |
I guess I'm a little bit curious as to how what the analysis issue. | 00:17:35 | |
The last several years we've got the same recommendation. | 00:17:43 | |
Pacific level? | 00:17:50 | |
So the sea statue is is definitions in 200 past five years. So we are sold in that. But I think, I think the bigger thing is more | 00:17:53 | |
of a consistency with not only boundary but say you know, same as I'm taking away this year, this year. | 00:18:04 | |
I mean said, you know she wants them this, this stand may be to keep them out the same, but see if they do what they want, most | 00:18:15 | |
likely whatever. So that's just that that's the rationale and you're keeping it. | 00:18:21 | |
The thing is still fit under that two out of five years and more, just a consistency for enforcement and and for the citizens and | 00:18:28 | |
like you said, you haven't done any of that before. I think generally in my experience it's usually so if you bring fireworks | 00:18:34 | |
back. | 00:18:39 | |
Which? | 00:18:46 | |
Historically. | 00:18:52 | |
Did that. | 00:18:55 | |
That was kind of a multi agency, multi city effort to just build that in a in a drought situation but in common high crime that we | 00:19:07 | |
backed that way off we went back to three assets in 2021. | 00:19:14 | |
And Brad, you know, keep watching it. He's always going to see. | 00:19:23 | |
And and that's no fireworks, you know, again like. | 00:19:28 | |
Dan said it's up to you to decide kind of risk tolerance and what you're going to do. | 00:19:33 | |
I spent a lot of time working through their math. It's really based on what said, she says, which is open areas, 200 feet of | 00:19:40 | |
waterways, trail scans and interface areas. | 00:19:46 | |
Everything else that is unrestricted, the work I did this year was just to line up the three open spots along the border. | 00:19:52 | |
Challenge. | 00:20:01 | |
There's lots of pockets that would qualify for this and so it happens. It's really difficult. | 00:20:04 | |
To make clear lines that people understand and so. | 00:20:10 | |
That those are the changes you'll see this year. Every year I pulled back and added maybe a pocket area that we just needed to | 00:20:17 | |
clean up the challenge with. That is just important. | 00:20:22 | |
So. | 00:20:38 | |
I think, I think a lot of them before they when they drive around and people are going to start with. | 00:20:56 | |
The hard part is aerial and he shot some. It's so hard. I think that's the biggest problem because you grieve with some trolls and | 00:21:03 | |
we put you don't have control. We control those those times and I think. | 00:21:10 | |
That's all I think that they do. I think it's us. | 00:21:17 | |
I don't think the math doesn't become educational, really. | 00:21:22 | |
And it is a reducer, really, right? Most people want to see it's red and argument fireworks in the red. This is just how it is. | 00:21:27 | |
Is primarily determined and and if something does happen with example having a complex. | 00:21:37 | |
Fireworks are in restricted area and house war enforcement. That can be done until people handle for those types of things that | 00:21:46 | |
they start wildfire and restricted area. | 00:21:51 | |
Without restrictions. | 00:21:58 | |
General so, so restrictions kind of provide that actually deter. | 00:22:00 | |
Where we're at, where most departments, police departments or areas I've worked with, it is more educational than that. A lot of | 00:22:05 | |
people didn't check the map and so sometimes you don't know it. That's that's why there's a little bit exists on. | 00:22:12 | |
Portions on that education And is there anything that speaks to I'd be interested in? Like what truly is most like? Which types of | 00:22:21 | |
fireworks are truly the most famous, right? Obviously. | 00:22:27 | |
You know, aerial things that, you know that. | 00:22:34 | |
Is there any, is there any educational material? A lot of that, not that I'm aware of Education and it depends on what your risk | 00:22:40 | |
is right? This fire strip or else it's personal injury shared by all the above, right? Aerials are definitely one of our biggest | 00:22:46 | |
phones, but we have just many phones with some between hot bucket full of fireworks, sensitive garage and there's idea of | 00:22:52 | |
fireworks. | 00:22:59 | |
Going sideways into somebody's house? This is probably a question. | 00:23:05 | |
But if the fire Marshall is recommending that we restrict fireworks and we choose to extend that, are we then liable if somebody | 00:23:12 | |
sliding fireworks legally and then causes? | 00:23:17 | |
A fire and then neighborhood. | 00:23:24 | |
If you're if you're standing so so right at the grand Marshall is saying no fireworks piece of their PC so so the firearms | 00:23:28 | |
recommendation is still fireworks but if we were to say we would like to create a more nuanced probe something more relaxed in the | 00:23:37 | |
past did that place liability and I'll ask because we chose to respond differently than what the fire Marshall recommended. | 00:23:46 | |
It's always a possibility that it's from because you have so many intervening. | 00:23:56 | |
Actions. OK, so. | 00:24:01 | |
I think the label is most likely with whoever's voting department. | 00:24:03 | |
Proper way. | 00:24:10 | |
Do you have a map, Gina? | 00:24:12 | |
Council members. | 00:24:17 | |
No, like prior and I think I can remember it's like where are you going to be restricted is like that's pretty. | 00:24:22 | |
Spring Creek. | 00:24:29 | |
Little Cottonwood Creek. | 00:24:31 | |
And isn't it the big, isn't it the whole Walker Lane area in the Whole tree County areas, restricted area, that whole area where | 00:24:38 | |
that's what happened for years, yeah, well, four years ago. | 00:24:46 | |
And I don't know, you never arrived. But she asked that her neighbor could be added to that. So four years ago we did that Tree | 00:24:55 | |
County area and it might even be always. I think it is, yeah. So four years ago we would make it bigger. | 00:25:05 | |
Yeah. | 00:25:16 | |
200 feet. | 00:25:22 | |
One of the things. | 00:25:30 | |
Is that just because of your education around it instead of relying on the Curve interface International? | 00:25:37 | |
The second so big investigation for all you know it's it's so I think that in front of it is it's hopefully it doesn't work. | 00:25:51 | |
People can easily figure out. | 00:26:03 | |
An extreme situation. | 00:26:06 | |
Reinstitute or restrictions. So that has happened past uses it for sure has to do that double sheet like it's fire to him. Yeah if | 00:26:10 | |
we go into, we go into. | 00:26:15 | |
Draft, unplanned draft. They could come in and basically overwrite everything today. It's always circled. So because I was | 00:26:22 | |
considered, because we've had all this undergrowth and then I was just reading in the news that it's supposed to be a hotter and a | 00:26:28 | |
drier summer. So assuming that that happens and becomes like the end of June and everything that has been growing for the last | 00:26:34 | |
month is now dead. | 00:26:39 | |
Potentially they could come in and say we're we're over anything. | 00:26:46 | |
Conditions of weather during the moisture place. There's a lot of fields into it, but I'm using my June flight. I'm not quite | 00:26:52 | |
there, just like another year drought or something. Also, it has to be even more. | 00:26:57 | |
OK. The only product would be is. | 00:27:05 | |
Whatever fall out from that, you always decide to. | 00:27:15 | |
So if we adopted a less restricted map, we would come back. | 00:27:27 | |
And change that if we thought that. | 00:27:33 | |
Conditions have changed. | 00:27:37 | |
We just thought the reasons are basically hazardous conditions. What you have is you get first back on that, yeah. And then the | 00:27:42 | |
pressure we're seeing right now is actually from the firewood industry like. | 00:27:49 | |
Your citizen enjoy it for like our industry. | 00:27:57 | |
Last minute changes in the restriction announced all of this. Those are the kind of. | 00:28:05 | |
So it's. | 00:28:15 | |
A slow play. | 00:28:19 | |
205 year rule because it does allow. | 00:28:22 | |
Properly in this case, I believe the boat turns slowly as opposed to. | 00:28:28 | |
You know what weather conditions needed. | 00:28:35 | |
That we're going to turn this about let it go slowly since we're ready to two or five years Principal I just supported of | 00:28:39 | |
extending to the another until we're out of that condition. | 00:28:45 | |
Yeah. | 00:28:57 | |
Well. | 00:29:03 | |
Yeah, my feeling is going to be if we get to what it's going to be a slip, but I think we could probably delay anything, go past | 00:29:05 | |
my personal. | 00:29:09 | |
We're not comfortable or we want more information regarding the math, but I think it's basically what we're talking about is | 00:29:14 | |
continuing what we've done for reverting back that conditions have changed to the point that. | 00:29:20 | |
Where we want to revert back to a prior man. | 00:29:27 | |
Which allows fireworks. He just starts in certain areas of the city. | 00:29:31 | |
Even though a lot of the city is restricted when you look at that. | 00:29:37 | |
Yeah, this one will be one where we'll have a discussion and. | 00:29:43 | |
Will probably be great. | 00:29:48 | |
Totally at your call. | 00:29:55 | |
What would what would be great to think of what the issue would be? Essentially UFAS role is for the fire Marshalls role is to say | 00:29:58 | |
hey look I think this is an area that could be at risk and you are authorized to restrict them if you want essentially right? | 00:30:06 | |
And I'm kind of representing Brad. | 00:30:16 | |
Represent that. | 00:30:23 | |
You're saying? | 00:30:25 | |
Hearings on this? | 00:30:32 | |
Ordinance. | 00:30:34 | |
I'm sure there is an exception, but. | 00:30:36 | |
I. | 00:30:40 | |
You can ask for comment and. | 00:30:55 | |
Yeah. | 00:30:59 | |
And if that is something the Council is interested in. | 00:31:03 | |
People are always free to comment on whatever. | 00:31:08 | |
Mayor, that updated development agreement is apparently in the newest e-mail packet. | 00:31:15 | |
So I just sent you a new set, so it is. | 00:31:21 | |
All it does is change the extra weight, yes. | 00:31:25 | |
The one on the website is apparently not the one that you have in your room there and jump this on the screen. I just sent you an | 00:31:30 | |
e-mail. | 00:31:36 | |
OK. | 00:31:43 | |
Less than 30 first afternoon. | 00:31:54 | |
We didn't have any briefs closed session. | 00:32:18 | |
Public hearing. | 00:32:25 | |
I gotta run something to council here. | 00:32:30 | |
I'm going to admit that I have. | 00:32:35 | |
Read through the. | 00:32:39 | |
Historical preservation ordinance. But with the events that transpired, I I just have a really dive into it very deep and now | 00:32:43 | |
based on all the comments that they provided, I don't really have a point of reference, I mean. | 00:32:49 | |
I understand the main issue, but. | 00:32:58 | |
Well, I'm not sure I understand all the historical name monster. | 00:33:01 | |
I have almost fit this in on the night. | 00:33:05 | |
Would anybody be opposed to? | 00:33:14 | |
Halo. | 00:33:17 | |
At least giving me a chance. I'd like a chance to really go through the ordinance anymore and the Planning Commission report more | 00:33:18 | |
detail. And then? | 00:33:22 | |
What did those comments from piano see what she was referencing to the ordinance? Because I really wasn't processing that very | 00:33:26 | |
well-being on something. I mean, if everybody's okay, yeah. | 00:33:32 | |
And then have it revoke on the 60 along with that Adu, I think the Adu ordinance get kind of a cleaned up copy based on the 16th, | 00:33:47 | |
if that's OK if everybody all right. | 00:33:55 | |
Sorry. | 00:34:02 | |
For a while I didn't get all the best for somebody to reach out to her to get to look at what specific examples. | 00:34:07 | |
She had it written down and then we have to wait speak the recording out for this. | 00:34:19 | |
So I think the recording is up and there will be a transcript available solution. | 00:34:23 | |
For everybody, because I just wasn't processing what her issues were with the ordinances written and then. | 00:34:30 | |
I know there's another kind of matrix I think in there that kind of talks about suggested changes. Just getting time to go through | 00:34:39 | |
it more appropriately than. | 00:34:43 | |
Sitting here trying to. | 00:34:49 | |
Get into it right now, but. | 00:34:53 | |
Arsenal point. | 00:34:56 | |
And these advisory committees, the ordinance. | 00:35:00 | |
Anything matters. | 00:35:05 | |
As they're currently drafted entitled to move. | 00:35:08 | |
No, I think. I think the issue though is I'd be a little bit worried about. | 00:35:12 | |
Management. Clearly she feels like they were excluded from the process. I think we can fix that by by including, but I don't | 00:35:17 | |
necessarily want to do that by ordinance and mandated by ordinance. And this is a volunteer committee. How do you mandate | 00:35:24 | |
participation of people in a volunteer organization? I took to carry out an administrative task. This is the demolition. | 00:35:31 | |
I think it needs to be by order staff's job, but that doesn't preclude the staff for reaching out to the historic commission's | 00:35:42 | |
resource. | 00:35:46 | |
To help interview their job, hopefully. But it stands to pay through this work, something we can mandate. Volunteers and volunteer | 00:35:49 | |
organizations carry out administrative status, administrative functions. | 00:35:55 | |
Rather than the decision making body and it's not like there are supposed to be an advisory body, but for whatever reason that's | 00:36:03 | |
not working that way and so whatever we can do so that. | 00:36:10 | |
We can't have their advice and then we can choose what to do with it. But it does sound like there's a skill set that would be | 00:36:17 | |
great to take advantage of this process. And so I would be interested in learning where to get that to work more seamlessly as an | 00:36:26 | |
advisory capacity, provided we can, you know, take it or leave it. But I think I would want that advice. | 00:36:34 | |
I don't think excluding them from the ordinance precludes that. | 00:36:44 | |
But I think it's worrisome to include them by ordinance when they're a volunteer board. | 00:36:48 | |
There's a way around. | 00:36:57 | |
Well, you have, you have different films here. Organizations like the Planning Commission, also your body that's mostly advisory, | 00:36:59 | |
they have some duties that may exceed that. | 00:37:05 | |
I I just looked somewhere in between. I I don't like the idea in ordinance of of giving them a hammer where they're loosely | 00:37:12 | |
comprised. | 00:37:17 | |
But I think you can do it in your policy or your your personal kind of workflow on the issue. | 00:37:23 | |
You can have something that would be. | 00:37:32 | |
Consultation. | 00:37:37 | |
With them before the unit permit are making a decision. | 00:37:38 | |
What about the general plan? I mean, is there anything about historical? | 00:37:44 | |
Definitely. I mean, maybe we could. Isn't the general class that is considered policy? | 00:37:50 | |
It's more of a longer guidance. | 00:37:56 | |
But it's not working. | 00:38:00 | |
I'm sorry about. | 00:38:02 | |
It has a tighter relationship to your ordinances because you do have. | 00:38:05 | |
A requirement before you do a rezone. You also meant. | 00:38:11 | |
Yeah, I think we were. | 00:38:19 | |
Fairly careful in drafting the ordinance anyway. The notion that Seth has the ability or should have the capacity to be able to | 00:38:22 | |
review the sort of properties in a way, that's the professional matter. | 00:38:29 | |
Like in the sense of Jesus practice training. | 00:38:36 | |
None of those responsibilities rely on staff. | 00:38:40 | |
What we're looking for is an application that enjoys complete and and that the property owner has reached out to those other | 00:38:44 | |
entities which should possibly be. | 00:38:49 | |
Education system that we can see. | 00:38:55 | |
And then bringing all that information to Planning Commission for them, for the City Council, for them to make a decision based | 00:38:58 | |
upon the merits of the application. I think that the sort of preservation designating an object aside a style. | 00:39:05 | |
Should be pretty clear. | 00:39:14 | |
Nuances, whether it. | 00:39:17 | |
Would compliant for historic variation. | 00:39:20 | |
So, no. So absolutely they could be used in that. | 00:39:24 | |
Could they be listed as one of the they listed the state statute and the Federal Register would be possible to list them as | 00:39:28 | |
another source. It could provide to their staff of approval that this property needs these designations. | 00:39:35 | |
Ordinance change. | 00:39:45 | |
Does that make sense as far as saying to give them it's still an advisory role, but they they can have along with state | 00:39:49 | |
registered, better registered if the applicant turns in a report that was written or approved by the historic Commission and that | 00:39:56 | |
would be what more plus for their application is that? | 00:40:03 | |
I think we can look at that as an option. And you're comparing it to Title 2. Responsibilities are classified. | 00:40:11 | |
And session it might you could go it into. There's three options that that are available to the property owner. You can consider a | 00:40:20 | |
federal or safe designation and evidence preservation. And the third option is the applicant can just read to you what they put | 00:40:29 | |
down. There's this situation you can't really get to appointment to save or she does a game site based upon. | 00:40:38 | |
The family that lived there and what they did to the city for the area, however, she can bring all that information to the council | 00:40:48 | |
and we make that decision. But I I think I don't feel necessarily, but given that she doesn't have a federal or state, I don't | 00:40:54 | |
feel necessary to qualify to look at what somebody done and make a determination. So I would think one of those. | 00:41:00 | |
Criteria that would be helpful to me is. | 00:41:07 | |
Potentially a recommendation for the historic Commission. It doesn't have to be the only option that you can include that as a | 00:41:12 | |
fourth option. To me, that feels helpful because I don't. | 00:41:16 | |
So one of you to consider is that you Title 2 does not require any special qualifications from members of the Historical | 00:41:23 | |
Commission, so it's possible that the two or three people that are will continue might have some of that knowledge base. | 00:41:32 | |
But we we so that's that's that's not an organization that has robust. | 00:41:40 | |
Participation and turnover and growth. | 00:41:49 | |
Like we're having pretty difficult to get more people to join, right? | 00:41:54 | |
But. | 00:42:02 | |
How about saying? | 00:42:04 | |
Someone who, and I don't know how to work this, but someone, someone from the locality who is familiar with the locality and is | 00:42:12 | |
familiar with the history of the home or the history of the city or something. You know, sort of like not saying a member of the | 00:42:19 | |
historical Commission and because maybe some of these people won't either be honest or anymore. | 00:42:27 | |
That basically a description of somebody who has been around for a long time has the institutional knowledge of the city. | 00:42:35 | |
Yeah, I know. Similar to normal building permit. I don't like how far you want to be. | 00:42:50 | |
Building permitter applications. The subdivision or major building professionals are required to be involved. Surveyors, | 00:42:58 | |
architects, engineers. So you could refer back to that type of profession in the application process. I guess. I don't feel like | 00:43:05 | |
many people aren't necessarily qualified. | 00:43:11 | |
Like I'm necessarily qualified and I'm a decision maker in the process and I'm not thinking it would be like you know? | 00:43:19 | |
Going to take it, they automatically would get approved. I just think if somebody's looking like, oh, I think I have an historical | 00:43:27 | |
home on my hands and we say these are the resources that you can approach to find more information and just have that as part of | 00:43:35 | |
the list to go to. And and and I mean hopefully they're they're going to be involved and have have a lot of information that they | 00:43:42 | |
don't then we can look at the merits of the actual application and we'll see that. But I think. | 00:43:50 | |
Providing. | 00:43:58 | |
I think that would be very helpful. In the in the number three type, yeah, because if it's the same level, that work is done. | 00:44:01 | |
Yeah. So it's the number three. They can't get that state level I think. | 00:44:08 | |
You're looking at this. | 00:44:15 | |
But what is the number? | 00:44:17 | |
Well, that's, that's the other element. | 00:44:20 | |
Yeah, so that #3, all of these designations, the reason why they come to the City Council for legislative decisions that you're | 00:44:23 | |
granting them extra allowances. | 00:44:28 | |
Enjoy. | 00:44:35 | |
That's way also a hearing. | 00:44:36 | |
You can add additional uses. | 00:44:40 | |
To support that cervical function ideally. | 00:44:44 | |
A. | 00:44:48 | |
Concept and look at. | 00:44:55 | |
The proposed ordinance. | 00:44:58 | |
And the proposed changes and say yeah. | 00:45:00 | |
You know to say we want to include that. | 00:45:05 | |
We actually want to have an in order to be comfortable with whatever you're comfortable saying from a process standpoint, yeah, we | 00:45:09 | |
want to include that. We're not comfortable with codifying it or putting in policy or you know that's where we've got to get. I | 00:45:16 | |
think there's a way we can include historical Commission, it doesn't matter policy and. | 00:45:23 | |
Feeling excluded? | 00:45:31 | |
But on the night, I think hopefully I'll be more prepared to have looked through it and looked through what the Planning | 00:45:34 | |
Commission said and what the staff said and what's being proposed now in ordinance and compare that with. | 00:45:40 | |
Her comments so we could say OK, yeah. | 00:45:48 | |
You know. | 00:45:52 | |
So I have some questions that didn't relate to her concerns. We want to wait to address those all at the same time. Am I doing | 00:45:55 | |
that? Yeah, that's right. | 00:45:59 | |
I think so. So let's get out of the night. We'll, we'll remember to tell Stephanie and put that on the agenda. | 00:46:05 | |
These other public hearing went to see too. | 00:46:15 | |
But it seemed pretty not. It seemed uncontroversial. Level the five feet and and I mean. | 00:46:20 | |
One and it was from a CPU owner, and they were. | 00:46:32 | |
I mean essentially when you went this year you're going to get, you're going to get five more feet, but it's not add more, it's | 00:46:38 | |
not to add more floors or sorties. It's what it's what he's saying like in the village zone I think isn't like a 13 foot pack | 00:46:45 | |
requirement on the retail level or something you can get, you can. | 00:46:52 | |
You're entitled to next to, I think we voted four or five additional feet if your first level. | 00:46:59 | |
Is designed to let all of the team feed. | 00:47:05 | |
Then you can you're able to push that extra. | 00:47:08 | |
Wall height up a little bit higher. | 00:47:11 | |
But you first have to have the 13 viewers to get that extra. Yeah, so we're, you know what you say is a lot of these people are | 00:47:15 | |
going to these mixed developments such residential allowed them to see two right as an accessory and so if they put stuff on top. | 00:47:23 | |
They want to have 13 or 14 feet of ceiling heights that appropriate retail space tonight. | 00:47:32 | |
20 four people to do this, to press the floor levels they don't get as probably as good as it's not standing. I don't think it's | 00:47:38 | |
expanding intensity as it may be. It is. | 00:47:46 | |
Indicates on the third floor where they could have just got to, no. | 00:47:55 | |
Specifically, does not allow 35 feet. Maybe they could. They figured they could only get a 14 or 15 foot region and one floor | 00:48:01 | |
residential office. That's the point. | 00:48:07 | |
Because physically they can make it work. Yeah. So. | 00:48:15 | |
They didn't get C2 small slippers on that, yeah, and there were only about 8 homes that were adjacent. | 00:48:23 | |
That we see two area out of the moment and there are pretty few more but are also buffered by either a street or by a canal, but | 00:48:31 | |
we're literally worrying about either so that we're abutted right up against the C2. So of course that are all over there on the | 00:48:39 | |
north of the Cotton Mall, this application is coming from the green site, correct. | 00:48:47 | |
Right. So is that C2? | 00:48:55 | |
I thought, did we change it for? | 00:48:59 | |
So I mean that will. | 00:49:04 | |
So what you're gonna have there now is. | 00:49:06 | |
So. | 00:49:09 | |
Is that a lot of? Are they restricted by residential? No. That would this change is allowed for? Well, it would be for primary | 00:49:12 | |
building. So just the primary brewery and then whatever places they want to put on top would be able to do a 40 feet. | 00:49:21 | |
And then the buffer accounts would be there with their accessory too. And I think they're 130 OK, yeah. | 00:49:30 | |
So you're right, that's why I wanted eight or so R1 properties. | 00:49:40 | |
There the the other properties are RM. | 00:49:47 | |
We're 40 feet. Neighbors wouldn't be a big deal and. | 00:49:51 | |
Might be. | 00:49:56 | |
South of the roots, right? So I'm assuming that RM is not going to be an issue, but the only ones that really might have a | 00:49:59 | |
heartache or not would be our lungs, and they really are lungs. So if you're the type blame on this thing being the way that they | 00:50:07 | |
are, it's because. | 00:50:14 | |
It's anecdotally you could say use of space is not, you know, back when people didn't have well, for one thing. | 00:50:24 | |
And then also 10 foot residential was is a more modern kind of height than he has married. But is that an easy way? Is that what | 00:50:35 | |
he would describe? And so the only question I have is, is it I'm assuming this is the case that is it only C2 really that this | 00:50:42 | |
this no C1 is also in a similar building? | 00:50:50 | |
Excuse me? | 00:50:59 | |
I'm never opposed to fixing things. | 00:51:01 | |
That's a good point. You do have your general plan amendment coming up that even though the actual amendments that. | 00:51:05 | |
Like the gas station 711 is they think. And that search center on 2700 E. | 00:51:26 | |
I think that's it. I mean, it's a pretty small little. There's not much there. It's probably not going to change this used to be. | 00:51:38 | |
I think so. | 00:51:48 | |
139 where you are. | 00:51:55 | |
What's that called? Oh. | 00:52:00 | |
Canvas. | 00:52:05 | |
We know that, but it's a pretty small group of properties that aren't changing anytime soon, right? If you find probably a | 00:52:09 | |
stealing, let's play the general plan. | 00:52:14 | |
Or if somebody wants to run, I guess they can, but I don't know why. | 00:52:19 | |
But I have a lot of code this time. | 00:52:26 | |
So I guess the C2 things pretty much OK. | 00:52:37 | |
OK. | 00:52:44 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 00:52:47 | |
All right. | 00:52:55 | |
So. | 00:53:26 | |
Everyone here knows we've been working on this. | 00:53:27 | |
The City Hall signing process for your There's not a lot of introduction video we. | 00:53:32 | |
Start first with a carpet refresh painting. | 00:53:41 | |
And then at the same time I was kind of going down the parallel path with our sideway and then the two panning are combined | 00:53:47 | |
together and then once we started addressing segment issues. | 00:53:56 | |
There was some well, we should move the walls and they're planning department and we look for Saturday seminar administration area | 00:54:05 | |
and then it's just kind of worked into a big project, a really big project. | 00:54:14 | |
So. | 00:54:26 | |
We hired, we put out RFP for design consultants to like what process studios submitted to us. They worked with us a long time ago. | 00:54:28 | |
The concept designed for the terrorists. So Black was very familiar with the building and some of these. | 00:54:38 | |
And it's generated application. | 00:54:47 | |
They gave us. | 00:54:50 | |
Remodel. I started working with the special engineer coming up with the structural needs and then. | 00:54:55 | |
We that was in contractors for some contestants and so forth, right? Produced some high level. | 00:55:04 | |
Concept hot estimates as well. We presented that to the council and you guys like what we were like that we were going down where | 00:55:13 | |
I presented a lot of options for the level of safety for the people that had four different ones. | 00:55:22 | |
And we chose level 24 being the highest and we asked for some budget to take back to A. | 00:55:33 | |
Preliminary or semantic design? And that's where we're at today. It's weird. Let's prepare about 50 pages of design drawings for | 00:55:43 | |
the building, we said. Glad you can't present it to me. | 00:55:51 | |
I thought you were telling yourself. | 00:56:02 | |
But he recognized that, and we he's presented, he prepared a slideshow. | 00:56:06 | |
With the last 10 pages or 12 fashion, the last one being the cost estimate. And so I'd like to spend time with Dwight. Help. | 00:56:15 | |
We have to tell you what we've been working on and get you excited about what come next. | 00:56:25 | |
Can you hang on? | 00:56:33 | |
Hawaii Prophecy. And so we'll just do a quick overview of the process mainly focused on kind of what were the outcomes kind of | 00:56:35 | |
this in the next level, what kind of design investigation. So next page. So again the overview is that the big thing that happened | 00:56:42 | |
in parallel process was the realization that the scientific upgrades were level 2 would be significant enough that it was | 00:56:48 | |
worthwhile for this to be considered like how sensitive the renovations would have to be in conjunction with it and what those | 00:56:55 | |
costs would be. | 00:57:02 | |
The big question coming out, so if you go to next slide, So what happened is we were able to develop kind of an idea of areas of | 00:57:09 | |
renovation and these are related to the structural kind of interventions. And So what had happened is in the previous discussion | 00:57:16 | |
where it was decided that Level 2 segment update, which is basically a level team that says that the building should be safe | 00:57:23 | |
enough that we can get people out after a major target. | 00:57:30 | |
We decided that was the most important speaker because the bigger questions are moving to a Level 3, level 4, Level 4 being the | 00:57:38 | |
highest we should mean that you have to be pretty sure that you're building would be able to operate the following day after | 00:57:42 | |
nature offense. | 00:57:47 | |
Would basically be a completely rebuilding building, right. That was a structural kind of guidance. And so it had, if you guys | 00:57:52 | |
remember our conversation, build a new building or not. And so that was the question of we need to see numbers. | 00:57:58 | |
To say OK, based upon where the level 2 is, that doesn't worthwhile for your organization. So what happens in the next? | 00:58:06 | |
If there were insurance and we did have to rebuild essentially. | 00:58:15 | |
Replacement costs entirely of that. That is a great question. | 00:58:22 | |
There is. I could get stuff from ours. | 00:58:31 | |
Also exclude. | 00:58:37 | |
We have. | 00:58:42 | |
So. | 00:58:46 | |
No, that is that's a very question. So what happens is basically the renovation coordinator renovations with the major testing | 00:58:50 | |
upgrades. And so area one is the most intensive of the size techniques for the building which is basically the central corridor. | 00:58:58 | |
And the reason why is because structurally this section of the building was constructed with a series of concrete shoe beams that | 00:59:05 | |
run on East West And the big thing is that in a typing event it unlucky. | 00:59:12 | |
Reinforce the center walls, the tendency for a major segment, then the secret collapse in. | 00:59:20 | |
So that's kind of the major section. | 00:59:28 | |
Area 2, which is the kind of really administrative way because it's the old part of the building, it's actually concerned | 00:59:32 | |
differently. So the size of operators are less intensive. And so there was a question and we've broken it out at area one and Area | 00:59:38 | |
2. Is that the question potentially when you look at the cost, would you then actually sequence a little bit? | 00:59:44 | |
Or not you all done. | 00:59:50 | |
And an Area 3, which is a little blue vestibule, is that an add on is that when we were doing the conceptual design work, what we | 00:59:52 | |
had proposed? This is based upon some of the history that happened. Your organization is recognizing that there were situations | 00:59:57 | |
where basically right now we do public events that you're not trying to do anything with the upper core you don't have ABA access | 01:00:02 | |
to. | 01:00:07 | |
And so, if that's the deal ends up being addressing the four different issues, one actually gives you officially a. | 01:00:13 | |
Let's say issue or something like that. | 01:00:57 | |
So that's kind of how those things are coordinated. | 01:01:00 | |
And so as we kind of talk about Level 2, do we say, OK, this is making sure that in a major earthquake event, the building is | 01:01:05 | |
stable enough that we can get everyone who was inside the building out? | 01:01:11 | |
And give them the kind of ability to kind of have the time to do that of it. | 01:01:17 | |
What that is a very simple term is the dotted lines are indicating where we're going to have to do size of upgrades to the | 01:01:21 | |
internal walls and then the perimeter of dotted lines are basically there's interventions that have to be done through the group | 01:01:27 | |
that will reconnect the group trusted states here at the walls. | 01:01:33 | |
It's like. | 01:01:40 | |
Hungry is actually quite tight. What we were also proposing is that we flip the pack fitness room from being an internal space and | 01:02:15 | |
external space that actually has a little bit of sunlight, even though it's private on the east side. And then as you can see, | 01:02:21 | |
these dark lines are basically all walls that actually will be rebuilt. | 01:02:27 | |
We will also be able to add Wellness through and an official EOC center on that is planning from baseball Next slide. | 01:02:34 | |
On the number four, what that allows us to do is readdress some of the popped up one was the biggest one is the planning gets kind | 01:02:43 | |
of revision of how it is out. We work with planning over a couple iterations. So currently what it is is that in the kind of right | 01:02:50 | |
adjacent to this space would be new electric timing. So they have a new kind of entrance area. | 01:02:56 | |
And then they have the major time period and then actually become the suite. | 01:03:03 | |
From the judges and so that was not advised as well as in the backspace we did add a new private office that they said they would | 01:03:42 | |
need. | 01:03:47 | |
And then in here what would be happening is the not only this room, we get the kind of this regression organization in terms of | 01:03:52 | |
the CU movement here and there was some space line. | 01:03:57 | |
That's all. | 01:04:04 | |
So this is what kind of works. The basement needed kind of group kitchen. And the idea is that not only will they give you like a | 01:04:07 | |
better place with a number of staff that you have to have, you actually have a break room, all of them. But it also could be a | 01:04:14 | |
casual private space or kind of meetings. So it could be a kind of maybe a hybrid space where people wanted to do a little bit of | 01:04:21 | |
work outside their office where they needed to pull out in a more casual space, they have an additional space. | 01:04:29 | |
Next slide. | 01:04:38 | |
Even revisions to the other one is the new court windows, and then the lower is the new justice. | 01:04:40 | |
Interest the court and the conference rooms. | 01:04:47 | |
Next slide. | 01:04:51 | |
And this is the planning kind of the lower level with the public entrance and investable and the upper regulated workspace for the | 01:04:53 | |
offices for the planning plan. | 01:04:58 | |
That's fine. So this is Area 2, which is kind of really there's the vestibule. With the vestibule addition there is there would | 01:05:04 | |
actually be kind of landscape components and a revision of the parking on that side so that it would address currently of the very | 01:05:10 | |
odd. | 01:05:16 | |
Umm, parking spaces and then? | 01:05:23 | |
So what we found is we've added a staircase that would actually be transitioned from the upper of the officially from the upper | 01:05:27 | |
lower level and then this would be the public side basic side area. That's fine. | 01:05:32 | |
And so the revision for the administrative wing is addressing the office needs that you've already started seeing popping up. | 01:05:42 | |
We've actually there's they've added two temporary kind of spaces as well as two spaces in the old physical office in the new | 01:05:48 | |
configuration there's an office spaces for all of those numbers. | 01:05:54 | |
As well as kind of a reconfiguration of the copy. So that the big thing is right now as you guys probably know is the upper level | 01:06:00 | |
of the administrator wing has to go outside to go to the copy ring and back and forth and so the entire administrator will be desk | 01:06:06 | |
all the way backwards. Now it's configured as a seal safe, so you don't actually have to exit into the public corridor to actually | 01:06:12 | |
move on the administrator. | 01:06:18 | |
And then you can see that we have the best food. | 01:06:26 | |
That's fine. So this would be the kind of logging space which was reduced in size so that we can add a little bit of function in | 01:06:29 | |
the back. | 01:06:32 | |
Inside and this would be in the entrance for the public base particularly for evenings we imagine that we called it this kind of | 01:06:36 | |
Lantern at the end of the South face of the building. So that particularly for events of evenings it would be kind of a signal and | 01:06:42 | |
you're doing so in and out of this room kind of signals the public that hey look at and so it kind of becomes like a self | 01:06:48 | |
important for your for your organization. And then we have a dedicated a game parking as well as now the festival veterans into | 01:06:54 | |
lower level. | 01:07:00 | |
That song. | 01:07:07 | |
So these are how we kind of the reason why and the 50 pages that we developed was because we brought in NEP consultants to | 01:07:09 | |
actually look at the kind of coordinated efforts that might happen with the renovations. We got feedback from the structural | 01:07:17 | |
engineer on kind of what are the kind of preliminary ideas of the actual construction and then our kind of level of understand | 01:07:24 | |
kind of how much kind of space we think is actually impacted for our finishes. | 01:07:32 | |
And animations. And so you can see the breakdowns in those areas. And what we developed is we developed enough drawings that we | 01:07:40 | |
actually had independent possibilities come due to your preliminary cost of looking. They're relying on much more kind of real | 01:07:48 | |
time numbers than we would have. And then they also provided kind of some idea of kind of escalation. So right now the one thing | 01:07:56 | |
in our report is that you know the escalation is just to understand is that right now we're running it on the 8% solution, so. | 01:08:04 | |
In one year you might see these numbers tested by property. | 01:08:13 | |
But this gives you the breakdown of the areas. The big thing is we did breakdown the size of upgrade to this unfortunate. So you | 01:08:18 | |
can understand those costs independently. | 01:08:22 | |
Or impacts and then kind of you can see where your product costs are projected to be at. Now I think in our initial kind of | 01:08:28 | |
discussion with you guys, we were a little bit under this number. We were estimating some RV two and six and six and eight coming | 01:08:35 | |
in around 8:00. So but ultimately the kind of our kind of one we were talking about let's say of the ideas of. | 01:08:43 | |
Those investments for what this does to your building is, is that these investments, as we turned it from kind of the analysis | 01:08:52 | |
from the administrative staff where you're projected to be in terms of staff numbers, this supports your building for the next 20 | 01:08:58 | |
years in terms of actual staff. So you have space for it. | 01:09:03 | |
And now with these renovations, you're probably going to be able to deal in for the foreseeable future in the building for 1000 | 01:09:09 | |
years. And we're saying that with the size of the information, you should at least another point here. | 01:09:15 | |
And so that's kind of where we're at right now. I'd love to hear if you have any specific questions for us or any kind of | 01:09:23 | |
feedback. | 01:09:26 | |
So most importantly, our staff. | 01:09:31 | |
Yeah, yeah. And that's, I think the big thing is the only a slight kind of when you kind of had this bigger discussion as an | 01:09:35 | |
organization, well, if you're going to spend this money, you consider other options like moving or something like that. I think | 01:09:42 | |
they can use what we serve in front of this fanatic design is you doesn't have space here, right. | 01:09:49 | |
Yeah, the space flow into and in fact it does seem like organizers saw that you would have, you would outgrow it. That was a big | 01:09:57 | |
thing. So that was kind of a pro machine built in. The question is what happened to you to make it so safe? And so it's kind of | 01:10:04 | |
and we've been talking about a new kind of building. What is that essentially going to be? And we reference kind of where no creep | 01:10:10 | |
has been in the cost of, you know, it was like a $39 million bond to give you a building that would be approximately the same | 01:10:16 | |
square footage. | 01:10:22 | |
Like they have slightly a little bit more publication functions, right. You know have to do this market hit something like that. | 01:10:28 | |
But you know they do have integrated the Police Department and all the other things you will see that we have the Police | 01:10:35 | |
Department isn't included in seismic upgrades on this because the 2nd Engineer did review that side of the building and seeing | 01:10:42 | |
that when they did renovation there was done for that part of the building. | 01:10:48 | |
And so he felt that what they observed was it would be enough to also say that it would be safe enough to get people out. | 01:10:56 | |
And so it would not be worth. | 01:11:03 | |
The exercise to then try and take another level because then as well because the next level would be. | 01:11:05 | |
How long does this take? So what we what we kind of if you go to the next slide. | 01:11:15 | |
We kind of this is kind of the steps that I'm just kind of saying this big picture think about how we've completed step one, kind | 01:11:23 | |
of say two. We're presenting to you under hope you guys understand what you're looking at, maybe what options might be if you were | 01:11:29 | |
to potentially move forward with actually doing the renovation. So we think that the fashion timeline would be about 6 months to | 01:11:35 | |
do all the documentation work that you get from from Freddy and then you go potentially you would question whether you would if | 01:11:41 | |
you want to see the document. | 01:11:47 | |
Independent contract for a A, you know CMDC so that they would start to get on board if you possess that. | 01:11:53 | |
Development process. | 01:11:59 | |
And then once the permits are full, you would probably be looking at a minimum worth of the 18 month construction period. | 01:12:01 | |
Out of the building. | 01:12:08 | |
Yeah. | 01:12:11 | |
And you know, the what happened to why the relocation became kind of a potential question of viability is because the Mill Creek | 01:12:13 | |
Old Town Hall is available, at least as is, it has all the overall functionality that you would be able to use at the town hall. | 01:12:20 | |
So that was considered maybe this kind of opportune time to be able to pick up private states where you didn't even have to do any | 01:12:27 | |
kind of get out of that space. So you kind of didn't do it, occupy it and then move back. | 01:12:34 | |
Yeah, I think we. | 01:12:44 | |
Hey came to the conclusion that stating that. | 01:12:46 | |
Sounds great because you would draw out the timeline. But also have you tried to determine how the bigger complications about this | 01:12:51 | |
particular type of recommendation is that what we tried to do to kind of bring that cost a little bit was instead of actually | 01:12:57 | |
carrying these walls down and rebuilding them in place? | 01:13:03 | |
There's enough space that we can actually build the wall in Jesus. | 01:13:09 | |
Walls, but basically your second corridor equals being hard to then allow to be accessible for multi daily. Well this construction | 01:13:14 | |
is going on. | 01:13:18 | |
So from the ease of kind of execution standpoint, it would be probably also better if you guys were able to move out and. | 01:13:23 | |
Dissipate like. | 01:13:32 | |
To what level of interior innovation are you thinking? Like, does this tile say or does this tile? | 01:13:34 | |
I just wondered how much is in there and so go back to the costume, yeah, the costing we've we've in an integral costing basically | 01:13:42 | |
your insured cores, interior core. | 01:13:47 | |
We're up here, yeah. And then most finishes, so the kind of major kind of into the renovations that are spaces that have | 01:13:54 | |
substantial impact of your planning department under a minor renovations to the places where we're changing the Justice Court, | 01:14:02 | |
something like this room is actually just probably cosmetic and then the main core does get completely. | 01:14:10 | |
Wait a minute, a lot of the woods can probably stay, right? So it would be what we thought. What would we have done is that it | 01:14:19 | |
would be pulled. | 01:14:22 | |
And then we saw, correct. Yeah. | 01:14:26 | |
But go back to your costing way, the one of the one of the footnotes was streaming powers. Yeah so. So what happens is as we | 01:14:29 | |
started doing all these things, you know Jared also kind of we've been kind of looking through them very certain things like well, | 01:14:35 | |
I have a question what? | 01:14:41 | |
If you're doing some of these things, are there certain kind of figure that these were general maintenance issues you may want to | 01:14:48 | |
take on or not? That's why we want to know. And so one of the ironies was when we were having anything over it was during one of | 01:14:54 | |
the days where the boys were. So the question was like OK, is it a problem with cooling problem. So the NEP guys, you know, did | 01:15:00 | |
give a kind of initial consultation, OK. If you have, if this becomes an issue, this would be kind of a question of what the cost | 01:15:07 | |
of requesting might be. | 01:15:13 | |
Transition, yeah, we could be 3/4 of $1,000,000 essentially. But the other thing is that the heat exchangers you're building | 01:15:20 | |
relies on a series of kind of insulin key examples that some of them have been kind of typical to age. The renovation occurred on | 01:15:27 | |
the years ago, a little over 20 years ago. So some of these metabolic systems regardless of whether you were doing a renovation or | 01:15:33 | |
not, would start to become maintenance issues for you down the line. And so these are now kind of just these are kind of broken up | 01:15:39 | |
with these writing about it. | 01:15:46 | |
Scope, but now that's identified as potential maintenance issue. So gives us a question of when you guys are looking at money if | 01:15:53 | |
you want to take care of it. So you don't necessarily have a renovation within do the air handler. So now we're now plugging along | 01:15:58 | |
as we go. | 01:16:03 | |
Right. One question, we haven't talked about what about relocating the side of the building, but not on the police side of the | 01:16:11 | |
building? | 01:16:16 | |
With some of the factors that we've talked about in terms of what difficulties managing your oil, would that affect them? If you | 01:16:22 | |
think we can lovely based upon what I what was outlined in the seismic upgrades from which was driving a lot of the web. | 01:16:28 | |
It doesn't show. We're really happy to touch the Police Department and because you have a seat at your door and that actually | 01:16:37 | |
operates all of an independent building, it would work to say, the Police Department could say. | 01:16:43 | |
I think you're asking about each tax system. So the Ajax system is a little bit of, I think there's something, it is zoned in a | 01:16:51 | |
certain way and that'll be the one thing is if we decide to stay there might be we just have to talk about to the contractor being | 01:16:57 | |
able to, let's say the law or cut off. | 01:17:02 | |
The sessions that are being worked on to allow that to differ, the boiler does actually exist over on the police side. | 01:17:09 | |
And then there's a series of units that kind of, but it's technically it should be done. There's only so. | 01:17:16 | |
I'm just going to add to the thought process. | 01:17:25 | |
We've got about 30 of these air handlers slash pumps in the roof and also two closets we could just consider in the renovation | 01:17:29 | |
dealing with our side and then on the police side just deal with those as they go out. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah. Yeah, I | 01:17:37 | |
think that would be part of it is I think you know our our initial conceptual approach has been in the police hopefully be able to | 01:17:44 | |
time operate and anytime work if you make a little noisy. | 01:17:52 | |
And. | 01:18:01 | |
But in terms of, they're actually completely isolated. | 01:18:03 | |
Right, that actually works pretty well. | 01:18:06 | |
So I'll just add a little bit more with regards to the heating cooling. | 01:18:10 | |
We do have a pointer room. I don't know if anything sit down there from the council. We'd have to be having one day. It's not that | 01:18:16 | |
interesting, but all decided. | 01:18:22 | |
We have boiler system down there. It's a very high quality boiler system and as long as we maintain that boiler, it should last a | 01:18:31 | |
very long time even going forward. | 01:18:37 | |
We do have a separate system called water cooler water tower out in the parking lot enclosed by a brick wall. That thing is a | 01:18:43 | |
black lady and the cost of that is. | 01:18:50 | |
80,000 maybe a little bit more for our higher end on. | 01:19:00 | |
That's probably something that we should regardless of the renovation of the building, it's still time for a replacement of that. | 01:19:04 | |
10 million by the time you have relocation costs and rent costs and. | 01:19:16 | |
Stephanie And you know. | 01:19:21 | |
That's what it could be, but. | 01:19:26 | |
Kind of like a condensed unit. | 01:19:35 | |
It's obviously different, but it has a similar function. | 01:19:40 | |
Thank you. And I think the bigger thing was, you know as we discussed the city staff, I think the other challenges, which is again | 01:19:43 | |
when you just think about this and it's better than a new building is. | 01:19:48 | |
Because as we discussed, we may not actually be able to use in the kind of strategy which like Grant School District does, We'll | 01:19:55 | |
go on the ground and flip side because I believe. | 01:20:01 | |
On that side of property. So therefore if you can't build in the media place, it means the statement anyway, right? Then you're | 01:20:07 | |
left holding and move to another side, right? You're left holding this building as a public entity, which you would have to do as | 01:20:13 | |
well. So. | 01:20:19 | |
Just one quick question. | 01:20:27 | |
And when we hear something that that was there some discussion about where people are right now and what and what would be what | 01:20:30 | |
indigenous my thought would be that Jared and Joe are probably better housed with. | 01:20:37 | |
This section No. Yes. | 01:20:45 | |
We didn't talk about moving options that that would meet. And do you mean they would be better with community development? | 01:20:51 | |
So here's my thought was. | 01:21:01 | |
I mean, was there any thought that maybe moving some of the staff down here and moving all the planning and stuff up there or is | 01:21:04 | |
the stairs an issue? I'm just thinking about using space. I don't need to change this, changes this at all, just where where's the | 01:21:12 | |
most efficient places to put what does 10 give us a four chart and show us projections of which line items they did and so we now | 01:21:20 | |
provide them species so that all could be accommodated here then. I mean that would just be a philosophical issue of. | 01:21:29 | |
You know. | 01:21:37 | |
Do they need more? There's plenty of space up there that I can probably be beautifully organized. The house, all the people and | 01:21:39 | |
account there and all that, and move those options down here. That's just the thought. That's not going to change this. It's just | 01:21:45 | |
where people are going to end up, the steps. There are problems with public access. | 01:21:51 | |
All right. So the next steps I guess are going to be to reengage on this and go back to that step chart and say okay. Yeah, we | 01:22:01 | |
were saying this after this presentation. It sounds like, you know, you listen to stuff and you as a council will kind of look at | 01:22:09 | |
the numbers and say, you know, the bigger question was would you feel like you wanted to Area 1 area, best to feel Area one and | 01:22:17 | |
then you can pull up on Area 2? | 01:22:25 | |
But knowing that the major kind of area one would be the kind of minimum in that recommendation, but everyone still would require | 01:22:34 | |
you to do. | 01:22:38 | |
And so that was a question of then do you want to, if you know that you're going to move out of this building? | 01:22:43 | |
Do you feel like you could then preach for Area 2, at least until you take care of all those things, that they're part of this | 01:22:49 | |
place and you don't have any? I think, yeah, I think this is probably gonna be a kind of. | 01:22:56 | |
Philosophical issue of how we do this because I think what they've got to so. | 01:23:05 | |
This is $10 million. | 01:23:11 | |
You're going to see the spring length and next week that's going to be $10 million. | 01:23:14 | |
And so I think one of them we could pay for. | 01:23:19 | |
And still have a healthy. | 01:23:24 | |
I think we could sell a very healthy fund balance. We could pay for one out of cash, but I wasn't expecting the. | 01:23:27 | |
That was probably going to have to be staged and there should have to be different. | 01:23:35 | |
Efforts to find additional funding. I don't know if there's any funding available for a City Hall in terms of other funding, but | 01:23:41 | |
so then it becomes a tiny issue of. | 01:23:46 | |
They want to be the park and City Hall at the same time. We want to say yeah, we want to be City Hall, but. | 01:23:52 | |
Maybe we want to get the park loan person and delay this for two years and started to hurt. We want to do it right now. I think | 01:23:59 | |
those are all the discussions we have, but I'm not. | 01:24:04 | |
I think it'll be $10 million by the time you get done with it and I still think. | 01:24:11 | |
Is it? I think we could pay for it with our savings right now. That's the right word to use. | 01:24:17 | |
They want to turn off you guys. This will be my deal. You'll have to. | 01:24:24 | |
I think consider some maybe other funding sources for the park is there. | 01:24:29 | |
You know. | 01:24:35 | |
Yeah, there is grant money, so it's four and seeing them individually for this building. We have applied for brick grant that | 01:24:38 | |
would go maybe 30% of the way toward the numbers that are included here and the directed towards the improvement knowing that | 01:24:47 | |
those are difficult to obtain. We're also pursuing an earmark at the federal level. | 01:24:56 | |
For exactly the same the same item, so. | 01:25:06 | |
You know, that's a possibility for this building. We're not going to know soon, but we should have. | 01:25:11 | |
Within the next six weeks or so would have a clear idea about whether whether our delegation is supportive of including an amount | 01:25:17 | |
in a near mark. | 01:25:23 | |
The budget for this year just got approved a few weeks ago. Could be a long process, because that's a good. | 01:25:29 | |
Signature on the island, right? That's my understanding. | 01:25:38 | |
So I think that's going to be a big discussion for the council is. | 01:25:43 | |
How do you want to? | 01:25:48 | |
Time of this and I don't see a way we're gonna be able to do spring lane with. | 01:25:50 | |
It is feasible, yeah. And nothing comes to a stop by that taking a longer time. Whereas once you pull the trigger on this, you | 01:25:56 | |
gotta go go, go go, go because this place and. | 01:26:03 | |
Everything they're gonna do is do the whole damn thing. | 01:26:11 | |
This makes no sense to phase it, because I just mean we're. | 01:26:15 | |
Longer in the other space, paying rent for a longer time. And we're not reducing the cost of this in the meantime and yet we're | 01:26:17 | |
this is a go, go, go to the park and take 10 years. | 01:26:24 | |
We do have $1.7 million reserved from our OPA allocation and answering lane would be a project that we could fund using that. | 01:26:32 | |
Yeah, because I thought there's a lot of novices right now for Springline too. So if we can do this. | 01:26:45 | |
Of our funds and then faith freely so that people like, OK, we're going to think and then only it's more like that makes a lot of | 01:26:50 | |
sense. | 01:26:54 | |
The 1.7 though that is. | 01:26:59 | |
Showing up as part of our fund balance, right. It's a part of our restricted fund balance. | 01:27:02 | |
And we need to decide on a plan for somewhere 24. This is the end of this year. We're using the sums, and then we need to spend | 01:27:08 | |
them by the end of 26. | 01:27:13 | |
Don't think of that. | 01:27:20 | |
Is a great question. | 01:27:24 | |
I have to look at that. | 01:27:30 | |
I think this clearly is the priority, but you can't use it here and they can't use it there. Is it possible? | 01:27:33 | |
If we started starting Forever Fun valves and then the earmarked reimbursement reimburse ourselves with that. | 01:27:43 | |
And that's a great question too. You know, sometimes the federal money there is a supplement and lots of plants language that | 01:27:51 | |
means we could reimburse ourselves, but I don't know what the restrictions would be. | 01:27:58 | |
Doing with this specific application. | 01:28:07 | |
Spring lane you could probably. | 01:28:13 | |
Through the outside perimeter and planting the grass and then it's buildings, right to do something temporary there like. | 01:28:15 | |
Do playground think? Of course, or whatever we end up doing. | 01:28:24 | |
Yeah. So it may take three or four or five years to get them. | 01:28:28 | |
And that's fine for a partner thing, but this will be. | 01:28:34 | |
Part process on June 6th. | 01:28:41 | |
And then maybe in July or whenever is appropriate. | 01:28:45 | |
Look at this and timing and how the council say, OK, you know, when do we want to? We got the money. We can do that. We can afford | 01:28:49 | |
it. | 01:28:53 | |
So can you go to the slide that has the steps? | 01:28:58 | |
I'm sorry. | 01:29:03 | |
So what I have at this point included. | 01:29:06 | |
3/3. | 01:29:14 | |
And so if you wanted to go that route and you can certainly have this conversation during the budget process as well. | 01:29:18 | |
If we could move forward with that stuff. | 01:29:27 | |
Get the project ready to go and then we could decide on, yeah. | 01:29:32 | |
I think we can just. | 01:29:38 | |
I mean, just do that. Can we give you the time? | 01:29:40 | |
I don't see any reason to stop the process. It's not going to get cheaper to build and. | 01:29:44 | |
And I think everybody here is committed to. | 01:29:50 | |
You know, I don't think our residents. | 01:29:54 | |
Really appreciate Will appreciate a 30 or $40 million and the stealing is just fine and we can make it look very nice and also | 01:29:57 | |
have provide for life safety. | 01:30:04 | |
Consider. | 01:30:13 | |
And put a building here, the Glass and others say 25 years. | 01:30:14 | |
And we were in the market quarter 50. Government is not my business. I don't hope that it grows. | 01:30:20 | |
Yeah, I mean so but even there's plenty of space in the school will you like much more efficiently once we get this done than what | 01:30:27 | |
we're doing right now. And with our content plan, we actually mentioned like like we we at least have enough space for you to | 01:30:35 | |
easily be within the staff patients 10 years without doing there's there's another combined of. | 01:30:42 | |
Converting the small little room to the adjacent to the break room into that other administrative office, Openoffice plus wing | 01:30:50 | |
which would then add another 10 spaces. So that will be on the table. We need that. That was very far off, so that wouldn't. | 01:30:58 | |
Did you, did you program the workout facility downstairs? | 01:31:07 | |
Yes. So the we basically moved the kennel be finished into the space. So it's actually the same time. The nice thing about moving | 01:31:11 | |
it over is that I just had these videos and so part of that would be yes. And then so they would get a new kind of updated | 01:31:19 | |
exhaustion and stuff like that. So that has been part of it. So what I would suggest is that we come all this over and then we do | 01:31:27 | |
the same thing with the sermon presentation next week and then the final plan on the 6th. | 01:31:35 | |
And either. | 01:31:43 | |
June 13th or maybe you're meeting in July, we come back and if there is any direction beyond approval of the funding that we need, | 01:31:46 | |
we look at it at that time. | 01:31:52 | |
OK. I would say before we closeout the discussion that the vegetable. | 01:31:59 | |
Could be constructed. | 01:32:07 | |
Staff is in the building. | 01:32:10 | |
In the parking lot improvements out there, so that wanted to be phased. | 01:32:13 | |
They are considering. | 01:32:19 | |
About 5 million. | 01:32:21 | |
Best. | 01:32:25 | |
OK. So minimize the time right out of the building? | 01:32:29 | |
It would be the minimal cost, but something like that would probably be as big as a construction growth as you have here. They're | 01:32:33 | |
probably doing it all the time. That would bump it into, it wouldn't dramatically change. | 01:32:39 | |
OK. Well, thank you. | 01:32:49 | |
Thanks so much. | 01:32:53 | |
Unfortunate thing is that. | 01:33:07 | |
Building is just, yeah, yeah, He just won't get another opportunity like that. And the council may even wanna consider, you know, | 01:33:09 | |
if he did an appropriate committee to this. | 01:33:16 | |
Just go ahead and executing on it. Even if you don't apply five or six or seven months, it would be money well spent to have it | 01:33:23 | |
secured. | 01:33:26 | |
Yeah. So I was going to say it's perfectly being marketed. | 01:33:31 | |
I think we're an appealing tenant. | 01:33:38 | |
With the start time limited. | 01:33:41 | |
But it is being marketed. | 01:33:43 | |
OK, so. | 01:33:53 | |
No, right, But there's. But they're good. | 01:33:59 | |
Frequenting up business in front of this council. | 01:34:06 | |
All right. So we're going to go to talk about some personnel stuff. It's not going to be recorded. | 01:34:12 | |
So we will take a motion to go into closed session and once they're in closed session, we'll excuse everybody that Gina. | 01:34:20 | |
Very good. Jealous and. | 01:34:29 | |
Yeah. | 01:34:33 | |
Yes. | 01:35:02 |
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And I have some other neighbors that just kind of live around there and I can't remember anything else. | 00:00:03 | |
In a circle. | 00:00:08 | |
One of the little circles. | 00:00:10 | |
3000 to the West. | 00:00:14 | |
The copies. | 00:00:17 | |
Yeah. | 00:00:22 | |
I. | 00:00:35 | |
Everybody seems a little frazzled. | 00:00:46 | |
And. | 00:00:51 | |
I put in my hours of sleep. | 00:00:57 | |
Thank you for say that this is older daughter. | 00:01:13 | |
Well, I don't know who has the best side of my story. | 00:01:29 | |
What's the weather? | 00:01:33 | |
My phone was dead. I woke up at 3:40 or whatever. | 00:01:38 | |
And that was my. | 00:01:43 | |
From the opposite house. | 00:01:47 | |
And my I grab my phone and it put on the charger takes like power out and then it does the emergency broadcasting right then. | 00:01:52 | |
And it says I just really quick this is an immediate evacuation order for explosion. | 00:02:03 | |
Evacuation must be at 1:30 AM. | 00:02:12 | |
You can play my screenshot here. It says Alexa announcement from Smash Everybody kind of. | 00:02:19 | |
And so, and I heard the thing about both with elementary. I'm like okay, we need to replace 2 hours ago. | 00:02:28 | |
So I don't know. I thought it was with a cell tower. So I don't know how they go. That is. That's weird. I mean, it's incredible. | 00:02:58 | |
Well, I think the mayor and I might have to be. We were sitting there watching the drone camera. | 00:03:18 | |
Taking it and putting the dynamite in the. | 00:03:25 | |
And covering it up. And yeah, we were right there. I heard that fire in the whole thing on that recording. | 00:03:29 | |
Well, and you can start recording, John, but. | 00:03:40 | |
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that went on, but the most. | 00:03:45 | |
The part that was thought was. | 00:03:49 | |
They they detonated the timeline in the pit 1st and then they were going in 10 minutes later to. | 00:03:54 | |
That. | 00:04:03 | |
Really feel about this fresh. | 00:04:07 | |
My letter you here for? | 00:04:14 | |
These fireworks. | 00:04:17 | |
We're done. | 00:04:21 | |
Anyway, but I was just telling them that I could Harry as far as the whole evening for me was. | 00:04:30 | |
The second detonation was occurring 10 minutes after the person that kept it in the basement said We might believe it, there's | 00:04:36 | |
best place for it. | 00:04:41 | |
And. | 00:04:46 | |
There is nothing we were all like, well, he's going to go look well, that's a good because. | 00:04:50 | |
4 minutes later we're talking about it. | 00:05:00 | |
I mean it just went and we were all like with anybody in checking the Empire, because if they did, they were, they were going, it | 00:05:03 | |
was in that second explosion was huge or at least. | 00:05:10 | |
I never heard A A toxins so. | 00:05:19 | |
What they did first, last one of their the way to do this is a wire connection and like 50 feet or so it can house. | 00:05:26 | |
Yeah, I'm just talking to it. And part of that disconnected when the first explosion reset happened. | 00:05:34 | |
So they walked that back, trouble shot, and they let us. | 00:05:41 | |
It did. Basically the phone holds so when there said it is quiet, nothing happened for no more communications. | 00:05:45 | |
Nowhere. The second one happened, that's when they went fix it in the back and detonated it. It just didn't announce it again. | 00:05:53 | |
Yeah, well, the radio. | 00:05:57 | |
Things happen in those situations. | 00:06:03 | |
So I'm starting calling that back. As far as all this next year communications, I'm like, OK. | 00:06:08 | |
I have drawn here, started on up there to see what's going on with another person. | 00:06:12 | |
They're talking somebody. | 00:06:17 | |
All of it, everything very good. | 00:06:41 | |
Anyway, well, thanks for being here Chief, and welcome for your work. And of course, let's see, you guys were awesome. | 00:06:46 | |
All right, I. | 00:06:57 | |
Well, I I would imagine. | 00:07:09 | |
We need to say anything about this before public comment. I mean, I guess you should mention it, but. | 00:07:13 | |
And I was planning on mentioning it in in my report and then if you have questions. | 00:07:21 | |
Let's leave it to that then. I'm trying to think his first responders in my. | 00:07:31 | |
Capital Report. | 00:07:39 | |
So we'll try to leave. | 00:07:41 | |
Comments about this Gina and whatever we want to say kind of. Let's see if anybody had any questions. | 00:07:44 | |
We kind of cover it at that point in terms of. | 00:07:50 | |
The status of the city as it relates to the after effects of this and what we're doing. | 00:07:54 | |
And see what questions the council has, just so you're clear that we continue to communicate this. | 00:08:01 | |
All right. | 00:08:09 | |
So public hearing of proposed amendments title 13.62. This is this is raising a height in the C2 zones. | 00:08:12 | |
If he seekers on the 35 to 40 feet, dogs will be presenting on that. We have an applicant it will the applicant be here? Apple | 00:08:20 | |
might be here, his representative. | 00:08:27 | |
Do we need to hear from them? I. | 00:08:38 | |
Yeah, I think it would be a good idea. | 00:08:41 | |
Historic Preservation ordinance to get in the packet. | 00:08:52 | |
I do have, I think. Do we have any other e-mail folks? I did receive one from Ron Hilton today. | 00:08:56 | |
Anybody else received anything on this? It relates to the public hearing. | 00:09:03 | |
I think we'll get some people showing that probably, anyway, but. | 00:09:10 | |
There's in the Packet Planning Commission's review that and, well, we can discuss it after the public hearing review that one | 00:09:20 | |
again. | 00:09:24 | |
And as fast as you like. | 00:09:33 | |
Animal Services, again there in the that information, all the data is in the pack. I'm sure they're just going to walk. | 00:09:41 | |
My e-mail and we're hoping to pull that. | 00:09:49 | |
We don't need a motion. We just need to say, well, we're going to move this to A. | 00:09:54 | |
All right. | 00:10:02 | |
I'm sorry, I. | 00:10:11 | |
Coordinates the amendment the zone change from RMPO. I think that was clarified. | 00:10:16 | |
Any issues on that? | 00:10:27 | |
I'll probably just ask her any questions or or council final questions and we'll take a motion on that one. | 00:10:29 | |
The development agreement, again, it's in the packet. I think it was pretty straightforward for what I read through. Did anybody | 00:10:37 | |
have any questions or issues with? It's pretty simple. | 00:10:43 | |
Predominantly agreement, so it is basically. | 00:10:50 | |
Needs to start and where the setbacks are, which is I think all the setbacks are in existing. | 00:10:55 | |
I think I know why I'm concerned that way. This is X feet and Y feet. Is that our references to these? | 00:11:04 | |
That has been amended that those numbers should have been placed. | 00:11:11 | |
They have been clarified. | 00:11:19 | |
And I'll see if we can. | 00:11:22 | |
Yeah, that's because if not, I think we need to probably at least make a comment about that, that the X&Y agree this. Yeah, | 00:11:29 | |
because the X's and Y at least the distances are, but we're, but we're still left with X&Y and agreement. | 00:11:38 | |
And I just was assuming that those were. | 00:11:48 | |
Exhibit conferences. | 00:11:51 | |
Yeah, the references look percent 25% too. But there's an element of the language X&Y. Yeah, and. | 00:11:53 | |
Probably filled in. It's kind of important. And then I saw the exhibit that only that just. | 00:12:05 | |
You just need to find it for you. | 00:12:12 | |
I mean, the information was there. | 00:12:20 | |
We care about this. | 00:12:28 | |
Usually not me. | 00:12:33 | |
Minutes. Any issues with minutes from January 18th, February 7th and 15th? | 00:12:49 | |
I sent that e-mail to Stephanie. She didn't respond that while she's not here today. | 00:12:56 | |
On the February 15th, the first page where it says briefing session is dated the January 18th one of the. | 00:13:02 | |
But I don't think that's substantively. | 00:13:15 | |
How important matters? | 00:13:20 | |
But he said that right. | 00:13:24 | |
Impressively. | 00:13:27 | |
It's a. | 00:13:32 | |
Yeah, Stephanie does some of them and then. | 00:13:36 | |
My Dennis split references are not included. | 00:13:45 | |
No reference to walnuts or. | 00:13:52 | |
Date on one of the board that was. | 00:14:02 | |
2023 and I think Stephanie changed it. | 00:14:07 | |
Yeah, you just need to update the date. I think it's October 15, 2023. | 00:14:12 | |
Here's an update. I think that's it, but the fireworks issue. | 00:14:18 | |
Is so I mean we've got our ordinance impact ready to go. | 00:14:24 | |
And the Fire Marshall Fred Larson technique here basically has kept the restrictions 1300 E. | 00:14:31 | |
And automated all holiday. | 00:14:44 | |
We've got to drop from there. | 00:14:47 | |
So we have some latitude, I guess soon. | 00:14:50 | |
You know from his recommendation what we're going to do. | 00:14:54 | |
Umm, Salt Lake City and Mill Creek. | 00:14:58 | |
Have adopted those restrictions as they have the last couple of years, where they basically are restricting all the fireworks, in | 00:15:02 | |
their case east of 900 E. | 00:15:06 | |
You said you have something from publicity. | 00:15:11 | |
Last year they did not follow the 1300 E recommendation and so they have larger areas of their city that were not restricted. | 00:15:18 | |
While they haven't discussed the issue yet this year, my understanding is that that is likely to continue all the big span the | 00:15:25 | |
middle. | 00:15:33 | |
Him hard work, experience and then. | 00:15:42 | |
I know that Mister Pilgrim is much more familiar with that than I am in Chicago providing details about. | 00:15:46 | |
Recommendation of the Fire Marshall and what options you have. | 00:15:55 | |
Or be OK To do that here we need to make the window across the hall. | 00:16:00 | |
I think we can. We can certainly ask some questions here if you could have a more complete. | 00:16:04 | |
Issue. | 00:16:15 | |
Based on some of the public comment you're seeing piping Creek, you're pretty clear where you're at with this was you know you | 00:16:18 | |
know if we should go back to that we had prior to these drought conditions that generated this restriction. | 00:16:25 | |
So I think that's the issue is I think we have the ability in the absence of something compelling, yeah, we can do it before we | 00:16:33 | |
could do it. | 00:16:38 | |
Statue didn't allow us to do the fire Marshall didn't the authority to restrict everything east of 13,000 E that we would like a. | 00:16:45 | |
I don't know where the Council down on this or what questions you have of. | 00:16:56 | |
Of Chief Pilgrim. | 00:17:00 | |
I've had several people reach out to me saying. | 00:17:02 | |
We didn't have any fires before. Why? Why can't we go back to our neighborhood gatherings Now? We know some people have crazy | 00:17:06 | |
stuff. | 00:17:12 | |
People saying they didn't want fireworks and I don't anymore and I now have had a few people saying they wanted me to do. | 00:17:25 | |
I guess I'm a little bit curious as to how what the analysis issue. | 00:17:35 | |
The last several years we've got the same recommendation. | 00:17:43 | |
Pacific level? | 00:17:50 | |
So the sea statue is is definitions in 200 past five years. So we are sold in that. But I think, I think the bigger thing is more | 00:17:53 | |
of a consistency with not only boundary but say you know, same as I'm taking away this year, this year. | 00:18:04 | |
I mean said, you know she wants them this, this stand may be to keep them out the same, but see if they do what they want, most | 00:18:15 | |
likely whatever. So that's just that that's the rationale and you're keeping it. | 00:18:21 | |
The thing is still fit under that two out of five years and more, just a consistency for enforcement and and for the citizens and | 00:18:28 | |
like you said, you haven't done any of that before. I think generally in my experience it's usually so if you bring fireworks | 00:18:34 | |
back. | 00:18:39 | |
Which? | 00:18:46 | |
Historically. | 00:18:52 | |
Did that. | 00:18:55 | |
That was kind of a multi agency, multi city effort to just build that in a in a drought situation but in common high crime that we | 00:19:07 | |
backed that way off we went back to three assets in 2021. | 00:19:14 | |
And Brad, you know, keep watching it. He's always going to see. | 00:19:23 | |
And and that's no fireworks, you know, again like. | 00:19:28 | |
Dan said it's up to you to decide kind of risk tolerance and what you're going to do. | 00:19:33 | |
I spent a lot of time working through their math. It's really based on what said, she says, which is open areas, 200 feet of | 00:19:40 | |
waterways, trail scans and interface areas. | 00:19:46 | |
Everything else that is unrestricted, the work I did this year was just to line up the three open spots along the border. | 00:19:52 | |
Challenge. | 00:20:01 | |
There's lots of pockets that would qualify for this and so it happens. It's really difficult. | 00:20:04 | |
To make clear lines that people understand and so. | 00:20:10 | |
That those are the changes you'll see this year. Every year I pulled back and added maybe a pocket area that we just needed to | 00:20:17 | |
clean up the challenge with. That is just important. | 00:20:22 | |
So. | 00:20:38 | |
I think, I think a lot of them before they when they drive around and people are going to start with. | 00:20:56 | |
The hard part is aerial and he shot some. It's so hard. I think that's the biggest problem because you grieve with some trolls and | 00:21:03 | |
we put you don't have control. We control those those times and I think. | 00:21:10 | |
That's all I think that they do. I think it's us. | 00:21:17 | |
I don't think the math doesn't become educational, really. | 00:21:22 | |
And it is a reducer, really, right? Most people want to see it's red and argument fireworks in the red. This is just how it is. | 00:21:27 | |
Is primarily determined and and if something does happen with example having a complex. | 00:21:37 | |
Fireworks are in restricted area and house war enforcement. That can be done until people handle for those types of things that | 00:21:46 | |
they start wildfire and restricted area. | 00:21:51 | |
Without restrictions. | 00:21:58 | |
General so, so restrictions kind of provide that actually deter. | 00:22:00 | |
Where we're at, where most departments, police departments or areas I've worked with, it is more educational than that. A lot of | 00:22:05 | |
people didn't check the map and so sometimes you don't know it. That's that's why there's a little bit exists on. | 00:22:12 | |
Portions on that education And is there anything that speaks to I'd be interested in? Like what truly is most like? Which types of | 00:22:21 | |
fireworks are truly the most famous, right? Obviously. | 00:22:27 | |
You know, aerial things that, you know that. | 00:22:34 | |
Is there any, is there any educational material? A lot of that, not that I'm aware of Education and it depends on what your risk | 00:22:40 | |
is right? This fire strip or else it's personal injury shared by all the above, right? Aerials are definitely one of our biggest | 00:22:46 | |
phones, but we have just many phones with some between hot bucket full of fireworks, sensitive garage and there's idea of | 00:22:52 | |
fireworks. | 00:22:59 | |
Going sideways into somebody's house? This is probably a question. | 00:23:05 | |
But if the fire Marshall is recommending that we restrict fireworks and we choose to extend that, are we then liable if somebody | 00:23:12 | |
sliding fireworks legally and then causes? | 00:23:17 | |
A fire and then neighborhood. | 00:23:24 | |
If you're if you're standing so so right at the grand Marshall is saying no fireworks piece of their PC so so the firearms | 00:23:28 | |
recommendation is still fireworks but if we were to say we would like to create a more nuanced probe something more relaxed in the | 00:23:37 | |
past did that place liability and I'll ask because we chose to respond differently than what the fire Marshall recommended. | 00:23:46 | |
It's always a possibility that it's from because you have so many intervening. | 00:23:56 | |
Actions. OK, so. | 00:24:01 | |
I think the label is most likely with whoever's voting department. | 00:24:03 | |
Proper way. | 00:24:10 | |
Do you have a map, Gina? | 00:24:12 | |
Council members. | 00:24:17 | |
No, like prior and I think I can remember it's like where are you going to be restricted is like that's pretty. | 00:24:22 | |
Spring Creek. | 00:24:29 | |
Little Cottonwood Creek. | 00:24:31 | |
And isn't it the big, isn't it the whole Walker Lane area in the Whole tree County areas, restricted area, that whole area where | 00:24:38 | |
that's what happened for years, yeah, well, four years ago. | 00:24:46 | |
And I don't know, you never arrived. But she asked that her neighbor could be added to that. So four years ago we did that Tree | 00:24:55 | |
County area and it might even be always. I think it is, yeah. So four years ago we would make it bigger. | 00:25:05 | |
Yeah. | 00:25:16 | |
200 feet. | 00:25:22 | |
One of the things. | 00:25:30 | |
Is that just because of your education around it instead of relying on the Curve interface International? | 00:25:37 | |
The second so big investigation for all you know it's it's so I think that in front of it is it's hopefully it doesn't work. | 00:25:51 | |
People can easily figure out. | 00:26:03 | |
An extreme situation. | 00:26:06 | |
Reinstitute or restrictions. So that has happened past uses it for sure has to do that double sheet like it's fire to him. Yeah if | 00:26:10 | |
we go into, we go into. | 00:26:15 | |
Draft, unplanned draft. They could come in and basically overwrite everything today. It's always circled. So because I was | 00:26:22 | |
considered, because we've had all this undergrowth and then I was just reading in the news that it's supposed to be a hotter and a | 00:26:28 | |
drier summer. So assuming that that happens and becomes like the end of June and everything that has been growing for the last | 00:26:34 | |
month is now dead. | 00:26:39 | |
Potentially they could come in and say we're we're over anything. | 00:26:46 | |
Conditions of weather during the moisture place. There's a lot of fields into it, but I'm using my June flight. I'm not quite | 00:26:52 | |
there, just like another year drought or something. Also, it has to be even more. | 00:26:57 | |
OK. The only product would be is. | 00:27:05 | |
Whatever fall out from that, you always decide to. | 00:27:15 | |
So if we adopted a less restricted map, we would come back. | 00:27:27 | |
And change that if we thought that. | 00:27:33 | |
Conditions have changed. | 00:27:37 | |
We just thought the reasons are basically hazardous conditions. What you have is you get first back on that, yeah. And then the | 00:27:42 | |
pressure we're seeing right now is actually from the firewood industry like. | 00:27:49 | |
Your citizen enjoy it for like our industry. | 00:27:57 | |
Last minute changes in the restriction announced all of this. Those are the kind of. | 00:28:05 | |
So it's. | 00:28:15 | |
A slow play. | 00:28:19 | |
205 year rule because it does allow. | 00:28:22 | |
Properly in this case, I believe the boat turns slowly as opposed to. | 00:28:28 | |
You know what weather conditions needed. | 00:28:35 | |
That we're going to turn this about let it go slowly since we're ready to two or five years Principal I just supported of | 00:28:39 | |
extending to the another until we're out of that condition. | 00:28:45 | |
Yeah. | 00:28:57 | |
Well. | 00:29:03 | |
Yeah, my feeling is going to be if we get to what it's going to be a slip, but I think we could probably delay anything, go past | 00:29:05 | |
my personal. | 00:29:09 | |
We're not comfortable or we want more information regarding the math, but I think it's basically what we're talking about is | 00:29:14 | |
continuing what we've done for reverting back that conditions have changed to the point that. | 00:29:20 | |
Where we want to revert back to a prior man. | 00:29:27 | |
Which allows fireworks. He just starts in certain areas of the city. | 00:29:31 | |
Even though a lot of the city is restricted when you look at that. | 00:29:37 | |
Yeah, this one will be one where we'll have a discussion and. | 00:29:43 | |
Will probably be great. | 00:29:48 | |
Totally at your call. | 00:29:55 | |
What would what would be great to think of what the issue would be? Essentially UFAS role is for the fire Marshalls role is to say | 00:29:58 | |
hey look I think this is an area that could be at risk and you are authorized to restrict them if you want essentially right? | 00:30:06 | |
And I'm kind of representing Brad. | 00:30:16 | |
Represent that. | 00:30:23 | |
You're saying? | 00:30:25 | |
Hearings on this? | 00:30:32 | |
Ordinance. | 00:30:34 | |
I'm sure there is an exception, but. | 00:30:36 | |
I. | 00:30:40 | |
You can ask for comment and. | 00:30:55 | |
Yeah. | 00:30:59 | |
And if that is something the Council is interested in. | 00:31:03 | |
People are always free to comment on whatever. | 00:31:08 | |
Mayor, that updated development agreement is apparently in the newest e-mail packet. | 00:31:15 | |
So I just sent you a new set, so it is. | 00:31:21 | |
All it does is change the extra weight, yes. | 00:31:25 | |
The one on the website is apparently not the one that you have in your room there and jump this on the screen. I just sent you an | 00:31:30 | |
e-mail. | 00:31:36 | |
OK. | 00:31:43 | |
Less than 30 first afternoon. | 00:31:54 | |
We didn't have any briefs closed session. | 00:32:18 | |
Public hearing. | 00:32:25 | |
I gotta run something to council here. | 00:32:30 | |
I'm going to admit that I have. | 00:32:35 | |
Read through the. | 00:32:39 | |
Historical preservation ordinance. But with the events that transpired, I I just have a really dive into it very deep and now | 00:32:43 | |
based on all the comments that they provided, I don't really have a point of reference, I mean. | 00:32:49 | |
I understand the main issue, but. | 00:32:58 | |
Well, I'm not sure I understand all the historical name monster. | 00:33:01 | |
I have almost fit this in on the night. | 00:33:05 | |
Would anybody be opposed to? | 00:33:14 | |
Halo. | 00:33:17 | |
At least giving me a chance. I'd like a chance to really go through the ordinance anymore and the Planning Commission report more | 00:33:18 | |
detail. And then? | 00:33:22 | |
What did those comments from piano see what she was referencing to the ordinance? Because I really wasn't processing that very | 00:33:26 | |
well-being on something. I mean, if everybody's okay, yeah. | 00:33:32 | |
And then have it revoke on the 60 along with that Adu, I think the Adu ordinance get kind of a cleaned up copy based on the 16th, | 00:33:47 | |
if that's OK if everybody all right. | 00:33:55 | |
Sorry. | 00:34:02 | |
For a while I didn't get all the best for somebody to reach out to her to get to look at what specific examples. | 00:34:07 | |
She had it written down and then we have to wait speak the recording out for this. | 00:34:19 | |
So I think the recording is up and there will be a transcript available solution. | 00:34:23 | |
For everybody, because I just wasn't processing what her issues were with the ordinances written and then. | 00:34:30 | |
I know there's another kind of matrix I think in there that kind of talks about suggested changes. Just getting time to go through | 00:34:39 | |
it more appropriately than. | 00:34:43 | |
Sitting here trying to. | 00:34:49 | |
Get into it right now, but. | 00:34:53 | |
Arsenal point. | 00:34:56 | |
And these advisory committees, the ordinance. | 00:35:00 | |
Anything matters. | 00:35:05 | |
As they're currently drafted entitled to move. | 00:35:08 | |
No, I think. I think the issue though is I'd be a little bit worried about. | 00:35:12 | |
Management. Clearly she feels like they were excluded from the process. I think we can fix that by by including, but I don't | 00:35:17 | |
necessarily want to do that by ordinance and mandated by ordinance. And this is a volunteer committee. How do you mandate | 00:35:24 | |
participation of people in a volunteer organization? I took to carry out an administrative task. This is the demolition. | 00:35:31 | |
I think it needs to be by order staff's job, but that doesn't preclude the staff for reaching out to the historic commission's | 00:35:42 | |
resource. | 00:35:46 | |
To help interview their job, hopefully. But it stands to pay through this work, something we can mandate. Volunteers and volunteer | 00:35:49 | |
organizations carry out administrative status, administrative functions. | 00:35:55 | |
Rather than the decision making body and it's not like there are supposed to be an advisory body, but for whatever reason that's | 00:36:03 | |
not working that way and so whatever we can do so that. | 00:36:10 | |
We can't have their advice and then we can choose what to do with it. But it does sound like there's a skill set that would be | 00:36:17 | |
great to take advantage of this process. And so I would be interested in learning where to get that to work more seamlessly as an | 00:36:26 | |
advisory capacity, provided we can, you know, take it or leave it. But I think I would want that advice. | 00:36:34 | |
I don't think excluding them from the ordinance precludes that. | 00:36:44 | |
But I think it's worrisome to include them by ordinance when they're a volunteer board. | 00:36:48 | |
There's a way around. | 00:36:57 | |
Well, you have, you have different films here. Organizations like the Planning Commission, also your body that's mostly advisory, | 00:36:59 | |
they have some duties that may exceed that. | 00:37:05 | |
I I just looked somewhere in between. I I don't like the idea in ordinance of of giving them a hammer where they're loosely | 00:37:12 | |
comprised. | 00:37:17 | |
But I think you can do it in your policy or your your personal kind of workflow on the issue. | 00:37:23 | |
You can have something that would be. | 00:37:32 | |
Consultation. | 00:37:37 | |
With them before the unit permit are making a decision. | 00:37:38 | |
What about the general plan? I mean, is there anything about historical? | 00:37:44 | |
Definitely. I mean, maybe we could. Isn't the general class that is considered policy? | 00:37:50 | |
It's more of a longer guidance. | 00:37:56 | |
But it's not working. | 00:38:00 | |
I'm sorry about. | 00:38:02 | |
It has a tighter relationship to your ordinances because you do have. | 00:38:05 | |
A requirement before you do a rezone. You also meant. | 00:38:11 | |
Yeah, I think we were. | 00:38:19 | |
Fairly careful in drafting the ordinance anyway. The notion that Seth has the ability or should have the capacity to be able to | 00:38:22 | |
review the sort of properties in a way, that's the professional matter. | 00:38:29 | |
Like in the sense of Jesus practice training. | 00:38:36 | |
None of those responsibilities rely on staff. | 00:38:40 | |
What we're looking for is an application that enjoys complete and and that the property owner has reached out to those other | 00:38:44 | |
entities which should possibly be. | 00:38:49 | |
Education system that we can see. | 00:38:55 | |
And then bringing all that information to Planning Commission for them, for the City Council, for them to make a decision based | 00:38:58 | |
upon the merits of the application. I think that the sort of preservation designating an object aside a style. | 00:39:05 | |
Should be pretty clear. | 00:39:14 | |
Nuances, whether it. | 00:39:17 | |
Would compliant for historic variation. | 00:39:20 | |
So, no. So absolutely they could be used in that. | 00:39:24 | |
Could they be listed as one of the they listed the state statute and the Federal Register would be possible to list them as | 00:39:28 | |
another source. It could provide to their staff of approval that this property needs these designations. | 00:39:35 | |
Ordinance change. | 00:39:45 | |
Does that make sense as far as saying to give them it's still an advisory role, but they they can have along with state | 00:39:49 | |
registered, better registered if the applicant turns in a report that was written or approved by the historic Commission and that | 00:39:56 | |
would be what more plus for their application is that? | 00:40:03 | |
I think we can look at that as an option. And you're comparing it to Title 2. Responsibilities are classified. | 00:40:11 | |
And session it might you could go it into. There's three options that that are available to the property owner. You can consider a | 00:40:20 | |
federal or safe designation and evidence preservation. And the third option is the applicant can just read to you what they put | 00:40:29 | |
down. There's this situation you can't really get to appointment to save or she does a game site based upon. | 00:40:38 | |
The family that lived there and what they did to the city for the area, however, she can bring all that information to the council | 00:40:48 | |
and we make that decision. But I I think I don't feel necessarily, but given that she doesn't have a federal or state, I don't | 00:40:54 | |
feel necessary to qualify to look at what somebody done and make a determination. So I would think one of those. | 00:41:00 | |
Criteria that would be helpful to me is. | 00:41:07 | |
Potentially a recommendation for the historic Commission. It doesn't have to be the only option that you can include that as a | 00:41:12 | |
fourth option. To me, that feels helpful because I don't. | 00:41:16 | |
So one of you to consider is that you Title 2 does not require any special qualifications from members of the Historical | 00:41:23 | |
Commission, so it's possible that the two or three people that are will continue might have some of that knowledge base. | 00:41:32 | |
But we we so that's that's that's not an organization that has robust. | 00:41:40 | |
Participation and turnover and growth. | 00:41:49 | |
Like we're having pretty difficult to get more people to join, right? | 00:41:54 | |
But. | 00:42:02 | |
How about saying? | 00:42:04 | |
Someone who, and I don't know how to work this, but someone, someone from the locality who is familiar with the locality and is | 00:42:12 | |
familiar with the history of the home or the history of the city or something. You know, sort of like not saying a member of the | 00:42:19 | |
historical Commission and because maybe some of these people won't either be honest or anymore. | 00:42:27 | |
That basically a description of somebody who has been around for a long time has the institutional knowledge of the city. | 00:42:35 | |
Yeah, I know. Similar to normal building permit. I don't like how far you want to be. | 00:42:50 | |
Building permitter applications. The subdivision or major building professionals are required to be involved. Surveyors, | 00:42:58 | |
architects, engineers. So you could refer back to that type of profession in the application process. I guess. I don't feel like | 00:43:05 | |
many people aren't necessarily qualified. | 00:43:11 | |
Like I'm necessarily qualified and I'm a decision maker in the process and I'm not thinking it would be like you know? | 00:43:19 | |
Going to take it, they automatically would get approved. I just think if somebody's looking like, oh, I think I have an historical | 00:43:27 | |
home on my hands and we say these are the resources that you can approach to find more information and just have that as part of | 00:43:35 | |
the list to go to. And and and I mean hopefully they're they're going to be involved and have have a lot of information that they | 00:43:42 | |
don't then we can look at the merits of the actual application and we'll see that. But I think. | 00:43:50 | |
Providing. | 00:43:58 | |
I think that would be very helpful. In the in the number three type, yeah, because if it's the same level, that work is done. | 00:44:01 | |
Yeah. So it's the number three. They can't get that state level I think. | 00:44:08 | |
You're looking at this. | 00:44:15 | |
But what is the number? | 00:44:17 | |
Well, that's, that's the other element. | 00:44:20 | |
Yeah, so that #3, all of these designations, the reason why they come to the City Council for legislative decisions that you're | 00:44:23 | |
granting them extra allowances. | 00:44:28 | |
Enjoy. | 00:44:35 | |
That's way also a hearing. | 00:44:36 | |
You can add additional uses. | 00:44:40 | |
To support that cervical function ideally. | 00:44:44 | |
A. | 00:44:48 | |
Concept and look at. | 00:44:55 | |
The proposed ordinance. | 00:44:58 | |
And the proposed changes and say yeah. | 00:45:00 | |
You know to say we want to include that. | 00:45:05 | |
We actually want to have an in order to be comfortable with whatever you're comfortable saying from a process standpoint, yeah, we | 00:45:09 | |
want to include that. We're not comfortable with codifying it or putting in policy or you know that's where we've got to get. I | 00:45:16 | |
think there's a way we can include historical Commission, it doesn't matter policy and. | 00:45:23 | |
Feeling excluded? | 00:45:31 | |
But on the night, I think hopefully I'll be more prepared to have looked through it and looked through what the Planning | 00:45:34 | |
Commission said and what the staff said and what's being proposed now in ordinance and compare that with. | 00:45:40 | |
Her comments so we could say OK, yeah. | 00:45:48 | |
You know. | 00:45:52 | |
So I have some questions that didn't relate to her concerns. We want to wait to address those all at the same time. Am I doing | 00:45:55 | |
that? Yeah, that's right. | 00:45:59 | |
I think so. So let's get out of the night. We'll, we'll remember to tell Stephanie and put that on the agenda. | 00:46:05 | |
These other public hearing went to see too. | 00:46:15 | |
But it seemed pretty not. It seemed uncontroversial. Level the five feet and and I mean. | 00:46:20 | |
One and it was from a CPU owner, and they were. | 00:46:32 | |
I mean essentially when you went this year you're going to get, you're going to get five more feet, but it's not add more, it's | 00:46:38 | |
not to add more floors or sorties. It's what it's what he's saying like in the village zone I think isn't like a 13 foot pack | 00:46:45 | |
requirement on the retail level or something you can get, you can. | 00:46:52 | |
You're entitled to next to, I think we voted four or five additional feet if your first level. | 00:46:59 | |
Is designed to let all of the team feed. | 00:47:05 | |
Then you can you're able to push that extra. | 00:47:08 | |
Wall height up a little bit higher. | 00:47:11 | |
But you first have to have the 13 viewers to get that extra. Yeah, so we're, you know what you say is a lot of these people are | 00:47:15 | |
going to these mixed developments such residential allowed them to see two right as an accessory and so if they put stuff on top. | 00:47:23 | |
They want to have 13 or 14 feet of ceiling heights that appropriate retail space tonight. | 00:47:32 | |
20 four people to do this, to press the floor levels they don't get as probably as good as it's not standing. I don't think it's | 00:47:38 | |
expanding intensity as it may be. It is. | 00:47:46 | |
Indicates on the third floor where they could have just got to, no. | 00:47:55 | |
Specifically, does not allow 35 feet. Maybe they could. They figured they could only get a 14 or 15 foot region and one floor | 00:48:01 | |
residential office. That's the point. | 00:48:07 | |
Because physically they can make it work. Yeah. So. | 00:48:15 | |
They didn't get C2 small slippers on that, yeah, and there were only about 8 homes that were adjacent. | 00:48:23 | |
That we see two area out of the moment and there are pretty few more but are also buffered by either a street or by a canal, but | 00:48:31 | |
we're literally worrying about either so that we're abutted right up against the C2. So of course that are all over there on the | 00:48:39 | |
north of the Cotton Mall, this application is coming from the green site, correct. | 00:48:47 | |
Right. So is that C2? | 00:48:55 | |
I thought, did we change it for? | 00:48:59 | |
So I mean that will. | 00:49:04 | |
So what you're gonna have there now is. | 00:49:06 | |
So. | 00:49:09 | |
Is that a lot of? Are they restricted by residential? No. That would this change is allowed for? Well, it would be for primary | 00:49:12 | |
building. So just the primary brewery and then whatever places they want to put on top would be able to do a 40 feet. | 00:49:21 | |
And then the buffer accounts would be there with their accessory too. And I think they're 130 OK, yeah. | 00:49:30 | |
So you're right, that's why I wanted eight or so R1 properties. | 00:49:40 | |
There the the other properties are RM. | 00:49:47 | |
We're 40 feet. Neighbors wouldn't be a big deal and. | 00:49:51 | |
Might be. | 00:49:56 | |
South of the roots, right? So I'm assuming that RM is not going to be an issue, but the only ones that really might have a | 00:49:59 | |
heartache or not would be our lungs, and they really are lungs. So if you're the type blame on this thing being the way that they | 00:50:07 | |
are, it's because. | 00:50:14 | |
It's anecdotally you could say use of space is not, you know, back when people didn't have well, for one thing. | 00:50:24 | |
And then also 10 foot residential was is a more modern kind of height than he has married. But is that an easy way? Is that what | 00:50:35 | |
he would describe? And so the only question I have is, is it I'm assuming this is the case that is it only C2 really that this | 00:50:42 | |
this no C1 is also in a similar building? | 00:50:50 | |
Excuse me? | 00:50:59 | |
I'm never opposed to fixing things. | 00:51:01 | |
That's a good point. You do have your general plan amendment coming up that even though the actual amendments that. | 00:51:05 | |
Like the gas station 711 is they think. And that search center on 2700 E. | 00:51:26 | |
I think that's it. I mean, it's a pretty small little. There's not much there. It's probably not going to change this used to be. | 00:51:38 | |
I think so. | 00:51:48 | |
139 where you are. | 00:51:55 | |
What's that called? Oh. | 00:52:00 | |
Canvas. | 00:52:05 | |
We know that, but it's a pretty small group of properties that aren't changing anytime soon, right? If you find probably a | 00:52:09 | |
stealing, let's play the general plan. | 00:52:14 | |
Or if somebody wants to run, I guess they can, but I don't know why. | 00:52:19 | |
But I have a lot of code this time. | 00:52:26 | |
So I guess the C2 things pretty much OK. | 00:52:37 | |
OK. | 00:52:44 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 00:52:47 | |
All right. | 00:52:55 | |
So. | 00:53:26 | |
Everyone here knows we've been working on this. | 00:53:27 | |
The City Hall signing process for your There's not a lot of introduction video we. | 00:53:32 | |
Start first with a carpet refresh painting. | 00:53:41 | |
And then at the same time I was kind of going down the parallel path with our sideway and then the two panning are combined | 00:53:47 | |
together and then once we started addressing segment issues. | 00:53:56 | |
There was some well, we should move the walls and they're planning department and we look for Saturday seminar administration area | 00:54:05 | |
and then it's just kind of worked into a big project, a really big project. | 00:54:14 | |
So. | 00:54:26 | |
We hired, we put out RFP for design consultants to like what process studios submitted to us. They worked with us a long time ago. | 00:54:28 | |
The concept designed for the terrorists. So Black was very familiar with the building and some of these. | 00:54:38 | |
And it's generated application. | 00:54:47 | |
They gave us. | 00:54:50 | |
Remodel. I started working with the special engineer coming up with the structural needs and then. | 00:54:55 | |
We that was in contractors for some contestants and so forth, right? Produced some high level. | 00:55:04 | |
Concept hot estimates as well. We presented that to the council and you guys like what we were like that we were going down where | 00:55:13 | |
I presented a lot of options for the level of safety for the people that had four different ones. | 00:55:22 | |
And we chose level 24 being the highest and we asked for some budget to take back to A. | 00:55:33 | |
Preliminary or semantic design? And that's where we're at today. It's weird. Let's prepare about 50 pages of design drawings for | 00:55:43 | |
the building, we said. Glad you can't present it to me. | 00:55:51 | |
I thought you were telling yourself. | 00:56:02 | |
But he recognized that, and we he's presented, he prepared a slideshow. | 00:56:06 | |
With the last 10 pages or 12 fashion, the last one being the cost estimate. And so I'd like to spend time with Dwight. Help. | 00:56:15 | |
We have to tell you what we've been working on and get you excited about what come next. | 00:56:25 | |
Can you hang on? | 00:56:33 | |
Hawaii Prophecy. And so we'll just do a quick overview of the process mainly focused on kind of what were the outcomes kind of | 00:56:35 | |
this in the next level, what kind of design investigation. So next page. So again the overview is that the big thing that happened | 00:56:42 | |
in parallel process was the realization that the scientific upgrades were level 2 would be significant enough that it was | 00:56:48 | |
worthwhile for this to be considered like how sensitive the renovations would have to be in conjunction with it and what those | 00:56:55 | |
costs would be. | 00:57:02 | |
The big question coming out, so if you go to next slide, So what happened is we were able to develop kind of an idea of areas of | 00:57:09 | |
renovation and these are related to the structural kind of interventions. And So what had happened is in the previous discussion | 00:57:16 | |
where it was decided that Level 2 segment update, which is basically a level team that says that the building should be safe | 00:57:23 | |
enough that we can get people out after a major target. | 00:57:30 | |
We decided that was the most important speaker because the bigger questions are moving to a Level 3, level 4, Level 4 being the | 00:57:38 | |
highest we should mean that you have to be pretty sure that you're building would be able to operate the following day after | 00:57:42 | |
nature offense. | 00:57:47 | |
Would basically be a completely rebuilding building, right. That was a structural kind of guidance. And so it had, if you guys | 00:57:52 | |
remember our conversation, build a new building or not. And so that was the question of we need to see numbers. | 00:57:58 | |
To say OK, based upon where the level 2 is, that doesn't worthwhile for your organization. So what happens in the next? | 00:58:06 | |
If there were insurance and we did have to rebuild essentially. | 00:58:15 | |
Replacement costs entirely of that. That is a great question. | 00:58:22 | |
There is. I could get stuff from ours. | 00:58:31 | |
Also exclude. | 00:58:37 | |
We have. | 00:58:42 | |
So. | 00:58:46 | |
No, that is that's a very question. So what happens is basically the renovation coordinator renovations with the major testing | 00:58:50 | |
upgrades. And so area one is the most intensive of the size techniques for the building which is basically the central corridor. | 00:58:58 | |
And the reason why is because structurally this section of the building was constructed with a series of concrete shoe beams that | 00:59:05 | |
run on East West And the big thing is that in a typing event it unlucky. | 00:59:12 | |
Reinforce the center walls, the tendency for a major segment, then the secret collapse in. | 00:59:20 | |
So that's kind of the major section. | 00:59:28 | |
Area 2, which is the kind of really administrative way because it's the old part of the building, it's actually concerned | 00:59:32 | |
differently. So the size of operators are less intensive. And so there was a question and we've broken it out at area one and Area | 00:59:38 | |
2. Is that the question potentially when you look at the cost, would you then actually sequence a little bit? | 00:59:44 | |
Or not you all done. | 00:59:50 | |
And an Area 3, which is a little blue vestibule, is that an add on is that when we were doing the conceptual design work, what we | 00:59:52 | |
had proposed? This is based upon some of the history that happened. Your organization is recognizing that there were situations | 00:59:57 | |
where basically right now we do public events that you're not trying to do anything with the upper core you don't have ABA access | 01:00:02 | |
to. | 01:00:07 | |
And so, if that's the deal ends up being addressing the four different issues, one actually gives you officially a. | 01:00:13 | |
Let's say issue or something like that. | 01:00:57 | |
So that's kind of how those things are coordinated. | 01:01:00 | |
And so as we kind of talk about Level 2, do we say, OK, this is making sure that in a major earthquake event, the building is | 01:01:05 | |
stable enough that we can get everyone who was inside the building out? | 01:01:11 | |
And give them the kind of ability to kind of have the time to do that of it. | 01:01:17 | |
What that is a very simple term is the dotted lines are indicating where we're going to have to do size of upgrades to the | 01:01:21 | |
internal walls and then the perimeter of dotted lines are basically there's interventions that have to be done through the group | 01:01:27 | |
that will reconnect the group trusted states here at the walls. | 01:01:33 | |
It's like. | 01:01:40 | |
Hungry is actually quite tight. What we were also proposing is that we flip the pack fitness room from being an internal space and | 01:02:15 | |
external space that actually has a little bit of sunlight, even though it's private on the east side. And then as you can see, | 01:02:21 | |
these dark lines are basically all walls that actually will be rebuilt. | 01:02:27 | |
We will also be able to add Wellness through and an official EOC center on that is planning from baseball Next slide. | 01:02:34 | |
On the number four, what that allows us to do is readdress some of the popped up one was the biggest one is the planning gets kind | 01:02:43 | |
of revision of how it is out. We work with planning over a couple iterations. So currently what it is is that in the kind of right | 01:02:50 | |
adjacent to this space would be new electric timing. So they have a new kind of entrance area. | 01:02:56 | |
And then they have the major time period and then actually become the suite. | 01:03:03 | |
From the judges and so that was not advised as well as in the backspace we did add a new private office that they said they would | 01:03:42 | |
need. | 01:03:47 | |
And then in here what would be happening is the not only this room, we get the kind of this regression organization in terms of | 01:03:52 | |
the CU movement here and there was some space line. | 01:03:57 | |
That's all. | 01:04:04 | |
So this is what kind of works. The basement needed kind of group kitchen. And the idea is that not only will they give you like a | 01:04:07 | |
better place with a number of staff that you have to have, you actually have a break room, all of them. But it also could be a | 01:04:14 | |
casual private space or kind of meetings. So it could be a kind of maybe a hybrid space where people wanted to do a little bit of | 01:04:21 | |
work outside their office where they needed to pull out in a more casual space, they have an additional space. | 01:04:29 | |
Next slide. | 01:04:38 | |
Even revisions to the other one is the new court windows, and then the lower is the new justice. | 01:04:40 | |
Interest the court and the conference rooms. | 01:04:47 | |
Next slide. | 01:04:51 | |
And this is the planning kind of the lower level with the public entrance and investable and the upper regulated workspace for the | 01:04:53 | |
offices for the planning plan. | 01:04:58 | |
That's fine. So this is Area 2, which is kind of really there's the vestibule. With the vestibule addition there is there would | 01:05:04 | |
actually be kind of landscape components and a revision of the parking on that side so that it would address currently of the very | 01:05:10 | |
odd. | 01:05:16 | |
Umm, parking spaces and then? | 01:05:23 | |
So what we found is we've added a staircase that would actually be transitioned from the upper of the officially from the upper | 01:05:27 | |
lower level and then this would be the public side basic side area. That's fine. | 01:05:32 | |
And so the revision for the administrative wing is addressing the office needs that you've already started seeing popping up. | 01:05:42 | |
We've actually there's they've added two temporary kind of spaces as well as two spaces in the old physical office in the new | 01:05:48 | |
configuration there's an office spaces for all of those numbers. | 01:05:54 | |
As well as kind of a reconfiguration of the copy. So that the big thing is right now as you guys probably know is the upper level | 01:06:00 | |
of the administrator wing has to go outside to go to the copy ring and back and forth and so the entire administrator will be desk | 01:06:06 | |
all the way backwards. Now it's configured as a seal safe, so you don't actually have to exit into the public corridor to actually | 01:06:12 | |
move on the administrator. | 01:06:18 | |
And then you can see that we have the best food. | 01:06:26 | |
That's fine. So this would be the kind of logging space which was reduced in size so that we can add a little bit of function in | 01:06:29 | |
the back. | 01:06:32 | |
Inside and this would be in the entrance for the public base particularly for evenings we imagine that we called it this kind of | 01:06:36 | |
Lantern at the end of the South face of the building. So that particularly for events of evenings it would be kind of a signal and | 01:06:42 | |
you're doing so in and out of this room kind of signals the public that hey look at and so it kind of becomes like a self | 01:06:48 | |
important for your for your organization. And then we have a dedicated a game parking as well as now the festival veterans into | 01:06:54 | |
lower level. | 01:07:00 | |
That song. | 01:07:07 | |
So these are how we kind of the reason why and the 50 pages that we developed was because we brought in NEP consultants to | 01:07:09 | |
actually look at the kind of coordinated efforts that might happen with the renovations. We got feedback from the structural | 01:07:17 | |
engineer on kind of what are the kind of preliminary ideas of the actual construction and then our kind of level of understand | 01:07:24 | |
kind of how much kind of space we think is actually impacted for our finishes. | 01:07:32 | |
And animations. And so you can see the breakdowns in those areas. And what we developed is we developed enough drawings that we | 01:07:40 | |
actually had independent possibilities come due to your preliminary cost of looking. They're relying on much more kind of real | 01:07:48 | |
time numbers than we would have. And then they also provided kind of some idea of kind of escalation. So right now the one thing | 01:07:56 | |
in our report is that you know the escalation is just to understand is that right now we're running it on the 8% solution, so. | 01:08:04 | |
In one year you might see these numbers tested by property. | 01:08:13 | |
But this gives you the breakdown of the areas. The big thing is we did breakdown the size of upgrade to this unfortunate. So you | 01:08:18 | |
can understand those costs independently. | 01:08:22 | |
Or impacts and then kind of you can see where your product costs are projected to be at. Now I think in our initial kind of | 01:08:28 | |
discussion with you guys, we were a little bit under this number. We were estimating some RV two and six and six and eight coming | 01:08:35 | |
in around 8:00. So but ultimately the kind of our kind of one we were talking about let's say of the ideas of. | 01:08:43 | |
Those investments for what this does to your building is, is that these investments, as we turned it from kind of the analysis | 01:08:52 | |
from the administrative staff where you're projected to be in terms of staff numbers, this supports your building for the next 20 | 01:08:58 | |
years in terms of actual staff. So you have space for it. | 01:09:03 | |
And now with these renovations, you're probably going to be able to deal in for the foreseeable future in the building for 1000 | 01:09:09 | |
years. And we're saying that with the size of the information, you should at least another point here. | 01:09:15 | |
And so that's kind of where we're at right now. I'd love to hear if you have any specific questions for us or any kind of | 01:09:23 | |
feedback. | 01:09:26 | |
So most importantly, our staff. | 01:09:31 | |
Yeah, yeah. And that's, I think the big thing is the only a slight kind of when you kind of had this bigger discussion as an | 01:09:35 | |
organization, well, if you're going to spend this money, you consider other options like moving or something like that. I think | 01:09:42 | |
they can use what we serve in front of this fanatic design is you doesn't have space here, right. | 01:09:49 | |
Yeah, the space flow into and in fact it does seem like organizers saw that you would have, you would outgrow it. That was a big | 01:09:57 | |
thing. So that was kind of a pro machine built in. The question is what happened to you to make it so safe? And so it's kind of | 01:10:04 | |
and we've been talking about a new kind of building. What is that essentially going to be? And we reference kind of where no creep | 01:10:10 | |
has been in the cost of, you know, it was like a $39 million bond to give you a building that would be approximately the same | 01:10:16 | |
square footage. | 01:10:22 | |
Like they have slightly a little bit more publication functions, right. You know have to do this market hit something like that. | 01:10:28 | |
But you know they do have integrated the Police Department and all the other things you will see that we have the Police | 01:10:35 | |
Department isn't included in seismic upgrades on this because the 2nd Engineer did review that side of the building and seeing | 01:10:42 | |
that when they did renovation there was done for that part of the building. | 01:10:48 | |
And so he felt that what they observed was it would be enough to also say that it would be safe enough to get people out. | 01:10:56 | |
And so it would not be worth. | 01:11:03 | |
The exercise to then try and take another level because then as well because the next level would be. | 01:11:05 | |
How long does this take? So what we what we kind of if you go to the next slide. | 01:11:15 | |
We kind of this is kind of the steps that I'm just kind of saying this big picture think about how we've completed step one, kind | 01:11:23 | |
of say two. We're presenting to you under hope you guys understand what you're looking at, maybe what options might be if you were | 01:11:29 | |
to potentially move forward with actually doing the renovation. So we think that the fashion timeline would be about 6 months to | 01:11:35 | |
do all the documentation work that you get from from Freddy and then you go potentially you would question whether you would if | 01:11:41 | |
you want to see the document. | 01:11:47 | |
Independent contract for a A, you know CMDC so that they would start to get on board if you possess that. | 01:11:53 | |
Development process. | 01:11:59 | |
And then once the permits are full, you would probably be looking at a minimum worth of the 18 month construction period. | 01:12:01 | |
Out of the building. | 01:12:08 | |
Yeah. | 01:12:11 | |
And you know, the what happened to why the relocation became kind of a potential question of viability is because the Mill Creek | 01:12:13 | |
Old Town Hall is available, at least as is, it has all the overall functionality that you would be able to use at the town hall. | 01:12:20 | |
So that was considered maybe this kind of opportune time to be able to pick up private states where you didn't even have to do any | 01:12:27 | |
kind of get out of that space. So you kind of didn't do it, occupy it and then move back. | 01:12:34 | |
Yeah, I think we. | 01:12:44 | |
Hey came to the conclusion that stating that. | 01:12:46 | |
Sounds great because you would draw out the timeline. But also have you tried to determine how the bigger complications about this | 01:12:51 | |
particular type of recommendation is that what we tried to do to kind of bring that cost a little bit was instead of actually | 01:12:57 | |
carrying these walls down and rebuilding them in place? | 01:13:03 | |
There's enough space that we can actually build the wall in Jesus. | 01:13:09 | |
Walls, but basically your second corridor equals being hard to then allow to be accessible for multi daily. Well this construction | 01:13:14 | |
is going on. | 01:13:18 | |
So from the ease of kind of execution standpoint, it would be probably also better if you guys were able to move out and. | 01:13:23 | |
Dissipate like. | 01:13:32 | |
To what level of interior innovation are you thinking? Like, does this tile say or does this tile? | 01:13:34 | |
I just wondered how much is in there and so go back to the costume, yeah, the costing we've we've in an integral costing basically | 01:13:42 | |
your insured cores, interior core. | 01:13:47 | |
We're up here, yeah. And then most finishes, so the kind of major kind of into the renovations that are spaces that have | 01:13:54 | |
substantial impact of your planning department under a minor renovations to the places where we're changing the Justice Court, | 01:14:02 | |
something like this room is actually just probably cosmetic and then the main core does get completely. | 01:14:10 | |
Wait a minute, a lot of the woods can probably stay, right? So it would be what we thought. What would we have done is that it | 01:14:19 | |
would be pulled. | 01:14:22 | |
And then we saw, correct. Yeah. | 01:14:26 | |
But go back to your costing way, the one of the one of the footnotes was streaming powers. Yeah so. So what happens is as we | 01:14:29 | |
started doing all these things, you know Jared also kind of we've been kind of looking through them very certain things like well, | 01:14:35 | |
I have a question what? | 01:14:41 | |
If you're doing some of these things, are there certain kind of figure that these were general maintenance issues you may want to | 01:14:48 | |
take on or not? That's why we want to know. And so one of the ironies was when we were having anything over it was during one of | 01:14:54 | |
the days where the boys were. So the question was like OK, is it a problem with cooling problem. So the NEP guys, you know, did | 01:15:00 | |
give a kind of initial consultation, OK. If you have, if this becomes an issue, this would be kind of a question of what the cost | 01:15:07 | |
of requesting might be. | 01:15:13 | |
Transition, yeah, we could be 3/4 of $1,000,000 essentially. But the other thing is that the heat exchangers you're building | 01:15:20 | |
relies on a series of kind of insulin key examples that some of them have been kind of typical to age. The renovation occurred on | 01:15:27 | |
the years ago, a little over 20 years ago. So some of these metabolic systems regardless of whether you were doing a renovation or | 01:15:33 | |
not, would start to become maintenance issues for you down the line. And so these are now kind of just these are kind of broken up | 01:15:39 | |
with these writing about it. | 01:15:46 | |
Scope, but now that's identified as potential maintenance issue. So gives us a question of when you guys are looking at money if | 01:15:53 | |
you want to take care of it. So you don't necessarily have a renovation within do the air handler. So now we're now plugging along | 01:15:58 | |
as we go. | 01:16:03 | |
Right. One question, we haven't talked about what about relocating the side of the building, but not on the police side of the | 01:16:11 | |
building? | 01:16:16 | |
With some of the factors that we've talked about in terms of what difficulties managing your oil, would that affect them? If you | 01:16:22 | |
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