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And I have some other neighbors that just kind of live around there and I can't remember anything else. 00:00:03
In a circle. 00:00:08
One of the little circles. 00:00:10
3000 to the West. 00:00:14
The copies. 00:00:17
Yeah. 00:00:22
I. 00:00:35
Everybody seems a little frazzled. 00:00:46
And. 00:00:51
I put in my hours of sleep. 00:00:57
Thank you for say that this is older daughter. 00:01:13
Well, I don't know who has the best side of my story. 00:01:29
What's the weather? 00:01:33
My phone was dead. I woke up at 3:40 or whatever. 00:01:38
And that was my. 00:01:43
From the opposite house. 00:01:47
And my I grab my phone and it put on the charger takes like power out and then it does the emergency broadcasting right then. 00:01:52
And it says I just really quick this is an immediate evacuation order for explosion. 00:02:03
Evacuation must be at 1:30 AM. 00:02:12
You can play my screenshot here. It says Alexa announcement from Smash Everybody kind of. 00:02:19
And so, and I heard the thing about both with elementary. I'm like okay, we need to replace 2 hours ago. 00:02:28
So I don't know. I thought it was with a cell tower. So I don't know how they go. That is. That's weird. I mean, it's incredible. 00:02:58
Well, I think the mayor and I might have to be. We were sitting there watching the drone camera. 00:03:18
Taking it and putting the dynamite in the. 00:03:25
And covering it up. And yeah, we were right there. I heard that fire in the whole thing on that recording. 00:03:29
Well, and you can start recording, John, but. 00:03:40
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that went on, but the most. 00:03:45
The part that was thought was. 00:03:49
They they detonated the timeline in the pit 1st and then they were going in 10 minutes later to. 00:03:54
That. 00:04:03
Really feel about this fresh. 00:04:07
My letter you here for? 00:04:14
These fireworks. 00:04:17
We're done. 00:04:21
Anyway, but I was just telling them that I could Harry as far as the whole evening for me was. 00:04:30
The second detonation was occurring 10 minutes after the person that kept it in the basement said We might believe it, there's 00:04:36
best place for it. 00:04:41
And. 00:04:46
There is nothing we were all like, well, he's going to go look well, that's a good because. 00:04:50
4 minutes later we're talking about it. 00:05:00
I mean it just went and we were all like with anybody in checking the Empire, because if they did, they were, they were going, it 00:05:03
was in that second explosion was huge or at least. 00:05:10
I never heard A A toxins so. 00:05:19
What they did first, last one of their the way to do this is a wire connection and like 50 feet or so it can house. 00:05:26
Yeah, I'm just talking to it. And part of that disconnected when the first explosion reset happened. 00:05:34
So they walked that back, trouble shot, and they let us. 00:05:41
It did. Basically the phone holds so when there said it is quiet, nothing happened for no more communications. 00:05:45
Nowhere. The second one happened, that's when they went fix it in the back and detonated it. It just didn't announce it again. 00:05:53
Yeah, well, the radio. 00:05:57
Things happen in those situations. 00:06:03
So I'm starting calling that back. As far as all this next year communications, I'm like, OK. 00:06:08
I have drawn here, started on up there to see what's going on with another person. 00:06:12
They're talking somebody. 00:06:17
All of it, everything very good. 00:06:41
Anyway, well, thanks for being here Chief, and welcome for your work. And of course, let's see, you guys were awesome. 00:06:46
All right, I. 00:06:57
Well, I I would imagine. 00:07:09
We need to say anything about this before public comment. I mean, I guess you should mention it, but. 00:07:13
And I was planning on mentioning it in in my report and then if you have questions. 00:07:21
Let's leave it to that then. I'm trying to think his first responders in my. 00:07:31
Capital Report. 00:07:39
So we'll try to leave. 00:07:41
Comments about this Gina and whatever we want to say kind of. Let's see if anybody had any questions. 00:07:44
We kind of cover it at that point in terms of. 00:07:50
The status of the city as it relates to the after effects of this and what we're doing. 00:07:54
And see what questions the council has, just so you're clear that we continue to communicate this. 00:08:01
All right. 00:08:09
So public hearing of proposed amendments title 13.62. This is this is raising a height in the C2 zones. 00:08:12
If he seekers on the 35 to 40 feet, dogs will be presenting on that. We have an applicant it will the applicant be here? Apple 00:08:20
might be here, his representative. 00:08:27
Do we need to hear from them? I. 00:08:38
Yeah, I think it would be a good idea. 00:08:41
Historic Preservation ordinance to get in the packet. 00:08:52
I do have, I think. Do we have any other e-mail folks? I did receive one from Ron Hilton today. 00:08:56
Anybody else received anything on this? It relates to the public hearing. 00:09:03
I think we'll get some people showing that probably, anyway, but. 00:09:10
There's in the Packet Planning Commission's review that and, well, we can discuss it after the public hearing review that one 00:09:20
again. 00:09:24
And as fast as you like. 00:09:33
Animal Services, again there in the that information, all the data is in the pack. I'm sure they're just going to walk. 00:09:41
My e-mail and we're hoping to pull that. 00:09:49
We don't need a motion. We just need to say, well, we're going to move this to A. 00:09:54
All right. 00:10:02
I'm sorry, I. 00:10:11
Coordinates the amendment the zone change from RMPO. I think that was clarified. 00:10:16
Any issues on that? 00:10:27
I'll probably just ask her any questions or or council final questions and we'll take a motion on that one. 00:10:29
The development agreement, again, it's in the packet. I think it was pretty straightforward for what I read through. Did anybody 00:10:37
have any questions or issues with? It's pretty simple. 00:10:43
Predominantly agreement, so it is basically. 00:10:50
Needs to start and where the setbacks are, which is I think all the setbacks are in existing. 00:10:55
I think I know why I'm concerned that way. This is X feet and Y feet. Is that our references to these? 00:11:04
That has been amended that those numbers should have been placed. 00:11:11
They have been clarified. 00:11:19
And I'll see if we can. 00:11:22
Yeah, that's because if not, I think we need to probably at least make a comment about that, that the X&Y agree this. Yeah, 00:11:29
because the X's and Y at least the distances are, but we're, but we're still left with X&Y and agreement. 00:11:38
And I just was assuming that those were. 00:11:48
Exhibit conferences. 00:11:51
Yeah, the references look percent 25% too. But there's an element of the language X&Y. Yeah, and. 00:11:53
Probably filled in. It's kind of important. And then I saw the exhibit that only that just. 00:12:05
You just need to find it for you. 00:12:12
I mean, the information was there. 00:12:20
We care about this. 00:12:28
Usually not me. 00:12:33
Minutes. Any issues with minutes from January 18th, February 7th and 15th? 00:12:49
I sent that e-mail to Stephanie. She didn't respond that while she's not here today. 00:12:56
On the February 15th, the first page where it says briefing session is dated the January 18th one of the. 00:13:02
But I don't think that's substantively. 00:13:15
How important matters? 00:13:20
But he said that right. 00:13:24
Impressively. 00:13:27
It's a. 00:13:32
Yeah, Stephanie does some of them and then. 00:13:36
My Dennis split references are not included. 00:13:45
No reference to walnuts or. 00:13:52
Date on one of the board that was. 00:14:02
2023 and I think Stephanie changed it. 00:14:07
Yeah, you just need to update the date. I think it's October 15, 2023. 00:14:12
Here's an update. I think that's it, but the fireworks issue. 00:14:18
Is so I mean we've got our ordinance impact ready to go. 00:14:24
And the Fire Marshall Fred Larson technique here basically has kept the restrictions 1300 E. 00:14:31
And automated all holiday. 00:14:44
We've got to drop from there. 00:14:47
So we have some latitude, I guess soon. 00:14:50
You know from his recommendation what we're going to do. 00:14:54
Umm, Salt Lake City and Mill Creek. 00:14:58
Have adopted those restrictions as they have the last couple of years, where they basically are restricting all the fireworks, in 00:15:02
their case east of 900 E. 00:15:06
You said you have something from publicity. 00:15:11
Last year they did not follow the 1300 E recommendation and so they have larger areas of their city that were not restricted. 00:15:18
While they haven't discussed the issue yet this year, my understanding is that that is likely to continue all the big span the 00:15:25
middle. 00:15:33
Him hard work, experience and then. 00:15:42
I know that Mister Pilgrim is much more familiar with that than I am in Chicago providing details about. 00:15:46
Recommendation of the Fire Marshall and what options you have. 00:15:55
Or be OK To do that here we need to make the window across the hall. 00:16:00
I think we can. We can certainly ask some questions here if you could have a more complete. 00:16:04
Issue. 00:16:15
Based on some of the public comment you're seeing piping Creek, you're pretty clear where you're at with this was you know you 00:16:18
know if we should go back to that we had prior to these drought conditions that generated this restriction. 00:16:25
So I think that's the issue is I think we have the ability in the absence of something compelling, yeah, we can do it before we 00:16:33
could do it. 00:16:38
Statue didn't allow us to do the fire Marshall didn't the authority to restrict everything east of 13,000 E that we would like a. 00:16:45
I don't know where the Council down on this or what questions you have of. 00:16:56
Of Chief Pilgrim. 00:17:00
I've had several people reach out to me saying. 00:17:02
We didn't have any fires before. Why? Why can't we go back to our neighborhood gatherings Now? We know some people have crazy 00:17:06
stuff. 00:17:12
People saying they didn't want fireworks and I don't anymore and I now have had a few people saying they wanted me to do. 00:17:25
I guess I'm a little bit curious as to how what the analysis issue. 00:17:35
The last several years we've got the same recommendation. 00:17:43
Pacific level? 00:17:50
So the sea statue is is definitions in 200 past five years. So we are sold in that. But I think, I think the bigger thing is more 00:17:53
of a consistency with not only boundary but say you know, same as I'm taking away this year, this year. 00:18:04
I mean said, you know she wants them this, this stand may be to keep them out the same, but see if they do what they want, most 00:18:15
likely whatever. So that's just that that's the rationale and you're keeping it. 00:18:21
The thing is still fit under that two out of five years and more, just a consistency for enforcement and and for the citizens and 00:18:28
like you said, you haven't done any of that before. I think generally in my experience it's usually so if you bring fireworks 00:18:34
back. 00:18:39
Which? 00:18:46
Historically. 00:18:52
Did that. 00:18:55
That was kind of a multi agency, multi city effort to just build that in a in a drought situation but in common high crime that we 00:19:07
backed that way off we went back to three assets in 2021. 00:19:14
And Brad, you know, keep watching it. He's always going to see. 00:19:23
And and that's no fireworks, you know, again like. 00:19:28
Dan said it's up to you to decide kind of risk tolerance and what you're going to do. 00:19:33
I spent a lot of time working through their math. It's really based on what said, she says, which is open areas, 200 feet of 00:19:40
waterways, trail scans and interface areas. 00:19:46
Everything else that is unrestricted, the work I did this year was just to line up the three open spots along the border. 00:19:52
Challenge. 00:20:01
There's lots of pockets that would qualify for this and so it happens. It's really difficult. 00:20:04
To make clear lines that people understand and so. 00:20:10
That those are the changes you'll see this year. Every year I pulled back and added maybe a pocket area that we just needed to 00:20:17
clean up the challenge with. That is just important. 00:20:22
So. 00:20:38
I think, I think a lot of them before they when they drive around and people are going to start with. 00:20:56
The hard part is aerial and he shot some. It's so hard. I think that's the biggest problem because you grieve with some trolls and 00:21:03
we put you don't have control. We control those those times and I think. 00:21:10
That's all I think that they do. I think it's us. 00:21:17
I don't think the math doesn't become educational, really. 00:21:22
And it is a reducer, really, right? Most people want to see it's red and argument fireworks in the red. This is just how it is. 00:21:27
Is primarily determined and and if something does happen with example having a complex. 00:21:37
Fireworks are in restricted area and house war enforcement. That can be done until people handle for those types of things that 00:21:46
they start wildfire and restricted area. 00:21:51
Without restrictions. 00:21:58
General so, so restrictions kind of provide that actually deter. 00:22:00
Where we're at, where most departments, police departments or areas I've worked with, it is more educational than that. A lot of 00:22:05
people didn't check the map and so sometimes you don't know it. That's that's why there's a little bit exists on. 00:22:12
Portions on that education And is there anything that speaks to I'd be interested in? Like what truly is most like? Which types of 00:22:21
fireworks are truly the most famous, right? Obviously. 00:22:27
You know, aerial things that, you know that. 00:22:34
Is there any, is there any educational material? A lot of that, not that I'm aware of Education and it depends on what your risk 00:22:40
is right? This fire strip or else it's personal injury shared by all the above, right? Aerials are definitely one of our biggest 00:22:46
phones, but we have just many phones with some between hot bucket full of fireworks, sensitive garage and there's idea of 00:22:52
fireworks. 00:22:59
Going sideways into somebody's house? This is probably a question. 00:23:05
But if the fire Marshall is recommending that we restrict fireworks and we choose to extend that, are we then liable if somebody 00:23:12
sliding fireworks legally and then causes? 00:23:17
A fire and then neighborhood. 00:23:24
If you're if you're standing so so right at the grand Marshall is saying no fireworks piece of their PC so so the firearms 00:23:28
recommendation is still fireworks but if we were to say we would like to create a more nuanced probe something more relaxed in the 00:23:37
past did that place liability and I'll ask because we chose to respond differently than what the fire Marshall recommended. 00:23:46
It's always a possibility that it's from because you have so many intervening. 00:23:56
Actions. OK, so. 00:24:01
I think the label is most likely with whoever's voting department. 00:24:03
Proper way. 00:24:10
Do you have a map, Gina? 00:24:12
Council members. 00:24:17
No, like prior and I think I can remember it's like where are you going to be restricted is like that's pretty. 00:24:22
Spring Creek. 00:24:29
Little Cottonwood Creek. 00:24:31
And isn't it the big, isn't it the whole Walker Lane area in the Whole tree County areas, restricted area, that whole area where 00:24:38
that's what happened for years, yeah, well, four years ago. 00:24:46
And I don't know, you never arrived. But she asked that her neighbor could be added to that. So four years ago we did that Tree 00:24:55
County area and it might even be always. I think it is, yeah. So four years ago we would make it bigger. 00:25:05
Yeah. 00:25:16
200 feet. 00:25:22
One of the things. 00:25:30
Is that just because of your education around it instead of relying on the Curve interface International? 00:25:37
The second so big investigation for all you know it's it's so I think that in front of it is it's hopefully it doesn't work. 00:25:51
People can easily figure out. 00:26:03
An extreme situation. 00:26:06
Reinstitute or restrictions. So that has happened past uses it for sure has to do that double sheet like it's fire to him. Yeah if 00:26:10
we go into, we go into. 00:26:15
Draft, unplanned draft. They could come in and basically overwrite everything today. It's always circled. So because I was 00:26:22
considered, because we've had all this undergrowth and then I was just reading in the news that it's supposed to be a hotter and a 00:26:28
drier summer. So assuming that that happens and becomes like the end of June and everything that has been growing for the last 00:26:34
month is now dead. 00:26:39
Potentially they could come in and say we're we're over anything. 00:26:46
Conditions of weather during the moisture place. There's a lot of fields into it, but I'm using my June flight. I'm not quite 00:26:52
there, just like another year drought or something. Also, it has to be even more. 00:26:57
OK. The only product would be is. 00:27:05
Whatever fall out from that, you always decide to. 00:27:15
So if we adopted a less restricted map, we would come back. 00:27:27
And change that if we thought that. 00:27:33
Conditions have changed. 00:27:37
We just thought the reasons are basically hazardous conditions. What you have is you get first back on that, yeah. And then the 00:27:42
pressure we're seeing right now is actually from the firewood industry like. 00:27:49
Your citizen enjoy it for like our industry. 00:27:57
Last minute changes in the restriction announced all of this. Those are the kind of. 00:28:05
So it's. 00:28:15
A slow play. 00:28:19
205 year rule because it does allow. 00:28:22
Properly in this case, I believe the boat turns slowly as opposed to. 00:28:28
You know what weather conditions needed. 00:28:35
That we're going to turn this about let it go slowly since we're ready to two or five years Principal I just supported of 00:28:39
extending to the another until we're out of that condition. 00:28:45
Yeah. 00:28:57
Well. 00:29:03
Yeah, my feeling is going to be if we get to what it's going to be a slip, but I think we could probably delay anything, go past 00:29:05
my personal. 00:29:09
We're not comfortable or we want more information regarding the math, but I think it's basically what we're talking about is 00:29:14
continuing what we've done for reverting back that conditions have changed to the point that. 00:29:20
Where we want to revert back to a prior man. 00:29:27
Which allows fireworks. He just starts in certain areas of the city. 00:29:31
Even though a lot of the city is restricted when you look at that. 00:29:37
Yeah, this one will be one where we'll have a discussion and. 00:29:43
Will probably be great. 00:29:48
Totally at your call. 00:29:55
What would what would be great to think of what the issue would be? Essentially UFAS role is for the fire Marshalls role is to say 00:29:58
hey look I think this is an area that could be at risk and you are authorized to restrict them if you want essentially right? 00:30:06
And I'm kind of representing Brad. 00:30:16
Represent that. 00:30:23
You're saying? 00:30:25
Hearings on this? 00:30:32
Ordinance. 00:30:34
I'm sure there is an exception, but. 00:30:36
I. 00:30:40
You can ask for comment and. 00:30:55
Yeah. 00:30:59
And if that is something the Council is interested in. 00:31:03
People are always free to comment on whatever. 00:31:08
Mayor, that updated development agreement is apparently in the newest e-mail packet. 00:31:15
So I just sent you a new set, so it is. 00:31:21
All it does is change the extra weight, yes. 00:31:25
The one on the website is apparently not the one that you have in your room there and jump this on the screen. I just sent you an 00:31:30
e-mail. 00:31:36
OK. 00:31:43
Less than 30 first afternoon. 00:31:54
We didn't have any briefs closed session. 00:32:18
Public hearing. 00:32:25
I gotta run something to council here. 00:32:30
I'm going to admit that I have. 00:32:35
Read through the. 00:32:39
Historical preservation ordinance. But with the events that transpired, I I just have a really dive into it very deep and now 00:32:43
based on all the comments that they provided, I don't really have a point of reference, I mean. 00:32:49
I understand the main issue, but. 00:32:58
Well, I'm not sure I understand all the historical name monster. 00:33:01
I have almost fit this in on the night. 00:33:05
Would anybody be opposed to? 00:33:14
Halo. 00:33:17
At least giving me a chance. I'd like a chance to really go through the ordinance anymore and the Planning Commission report more 00:33:18
detail. And then? 00:33:22
What did those comments from piano see what she was referencing to the ordinance? Because I really wasn't processing that very 00:33:26
well-being on something. I mean, if everybody's okay, yeah. 00:33:32
And then have it revoke on the 60 along with that Adu, I think the Adu ordinance get kind of a cleaned up copy based on the 16th, 00:33:47
if that's OK if everybody all right. 00:33:55
Sorry. 00:34:02
For a while I didn't get all the best for somebody to reach out to her to get to look at what specific examples. 00:34:07
She had it written down and then we have to wait speak the recording out for this. 00:34:19
So I think the recording is up and there will be a transcript available solution. 00:34:23
For everybody, because I just wasn't processing what her issues were with the ordinances written and then. 00:34:30
I know there's another kind of matrix I think in there that kind of talks about suggested changes. Just getting time to go through 00:34:39
it more appropriately than. 00:34:43
Sitting here trying to. 00:34:49
Get into it right now, but. 00:34:53
Arsenal point. 00:34:56
And these advisory committees, the ordinance. 00:35:00
Anything matters. 00:35:05
As they're currently drafted entitled to move. 00:35:08
No, I think. I think the issue though is I'd be a little bit worried about. 00:35:12
Management. Clearly she feels like they were excluded from the process. I think we can fix that by by including, but I don't 00:35:17
necessarily want to do that by ordinance and mandated by ordinance. And this is a volunteer committee. How do you mandate 00:35:24
participation of people in a volunteer organization? I took to carry out an administrative task. This is the demolition. 00:35:31
I think it needs to be by order staff's job, but that doesn't preclude the staff for reaching out to the historic commission's 00:35:42
resource. 00:35:46
To help interview their job, hopefully. But it stands to pay through this work, something we can mandate. Volunteers and volunteer 00:35:49
organizations carry out administrative status, administrative functions. 00:35:55
Rather than the decision making body and it's not like there are supposed to be an advisory body, but for whatever reason that's 00:36:03
not working that way and so whatever we can do so that. 00:36:10
We can't have their advice and then we can choose what to do with it. But it does sound like there's a skill set that would be 00:36:17
great to take advantage of this process. And so I would be interested in learning where to get that to work more seamlessly as an 00:36:26
advisory capacity, provided we can, you know, take it or leave it. But I think I would want that advice. 00:36:34
I don't think excluding them from the ordinance precludes that. 00:36:44
But I think it's worrisome to include them by ordinance when they're a volunteer board. 00:36:48
There's a way around. 00:36:57
Well, you have, you have different films here. Organizations like the Planning Commission, also your body that's mostly advisory, 00:36:59
they have some duties that may exceed that. 00:37:05
I I just looked somewhere in between. I I don't like the idea in ordinance of of giving them a hammer where they're loosely 00:37:12
comprised. 00:37:17
But I think you can do it in your policy or your your personal kind of workflow on the issue. 00:37:23
You can have something that would be. 00:37:32
Consultation. 00:37:37
With them before the unit permit are making a decision. 00:37:38
What about the general plan? I mean, is there anything about historical? 00:37:44
Definitely. I mean, maybe we could. Isn't the general class that is considered policy? 00:37:50
It's more of a longer guidance. 00:37:56
But it's not working. 00:38:00
I'm sorry about. 00:38:02
It has a tighter relationship to your ordinances because you do have. 00:38:05
A requirement before you do a rezone. You also meant. 00:38:11
Yeah, I think we were. 00:38:19
Fairly careful in drafting the ordinance anyway. The notion that Seth has the ability or should have the capacity to be able to 00:38:22
review the sort of properties in a way, that's the professional matter. 00:38:29
Like in the sense of Jesus practice training. 00:38:36
None of those responsibilities rely on staff. 00:38:40
What we're looking for is an application that enjoys complete and and that the property owner has reached out to those other 00:38:44
entities which should possibly be. 00:38:49
Education system that we can see. 00:38:55
And then bringing all that information to Planning Commission for them, for the City Council, for them to make a decision based 00:38:58
upon the merits of the application. I think that the sort of preservation designating an object aside a style. 00:39:05
Should be pretty clear. 00:39:14
Nuances, whether it. 00:39:17
Would compliant for historic variation. 00:39:20
So, no. So absolutely they could be used in that. 00:39:24
Could they be listed as one of the they listed the state statute and the Federal Register would be possible to list them as 00:39:28
another source. It could provide to their staff of approval that this property needs these designations. 00:39:35
Ordinance change. 00:39:45
Does that make sense as far as saying to give them it's still an advisory role, but they they can have along with state 00:39:49
registered, better registered if the applicant turns in a report that was written or approved by the historic Commission and that 00:39:56
would be what more plus for their application is that? 00:40:03
I think we can look at that as an option. And you're comparing it to Title 2. Responsibilities are classified. 00:40:11
And session it might you could go it into. There's three options that that are available to the property owner. You can consider a 00:40:20
federal or safe designation and evidence preservation. And the third option is the applicant can just read to you what they put 00:40:29
down. There's this situation you can't really get to appointment to save or she does a game site based upon. 00:40:38
The family that lived there and what they did to the city for the area, however, she can bring all that information to the council 00:40:48
and we make that decision. But I I think I don't feel necessarily, but given that she doesn't have a federal or state, I don't 00:40:54
feel necessary to qualify to look at what somebody done and make a determination. So I would think one of those. 00:41:00
Criteria that would be helpful to me is. 00:41:07
Potentially a recommendation for the historic Commission. It doesn't have to be the only option that you can include that as a 00:41:12
fourth option. To me, that feels helpful because I don't. 00:41:16
So one of you to consider is that you Title 2 does not require any special qualifications from members of the Historical 00:41:23
Commission, so it's possible that the two or three people that are will continue might have some of that knowledge base. 00:41:32
But we we so that's that's that's not an organization that has robust. 00:41:40
Participation and turnover and growth. 00:41:49
Like we're having pretty difficult to get more people to join, right? 00:41:54
But. 00:42:02
How about saying? 00:42:04
Someone who, and I don't know how to work this, but someone, someone from the locality who is familiar with the locality and is 00:42:12
familiar with the history of the home or the history of the city or something. You know, sort of like not saying a member of the 00:42:19
historical Commission and because maybe some of these people won't either be honest or anymore. 00:42:27
That basically a description of somebody who has been around for a long time has the institutional knowledge of the city. 00:42:35
Yeah, I know. Similar to normal building permit. I don't like how far you want to be. 00:42:50
Building permitter applications. The subdivision or major building professionals are required to be involved. Surveyors, 00:42:58
architects, engineers. So you could refer back to that type of profession in the application process. I guess. I don't feel like 00:43:05
many people aren't necessarily qualified. 00:43:11
Like I'm necessarily qualified and I'm a decision maker in the process and I'm not thinking it would be like you know? 00:43:19
Going to take it, they automatically would get approved. I just think if somebody's looking like, oh, I think I have an historical 00:43:27
home on my hands and we say these are the resources that you can approach to find more information and just have that as part of 00:43:35
the list to go to. And and and I mean hopefully they're they're going to be involved and have have a lot of information that they 00:43:42
don't then we can look at the merits of the actual application and we'll see that. But I think. 00:43:50
Providing. 00:43:58
I think that would be very helpful. In the in the number three type, yeah, because if it's the same level, that work is done. 00:44:01
Yeah. So it's the number three. They can't get that state level I think. 00:44:08
You're looking at this. 00:44:15
But what is the number? 00:44:17
Well, that's, that's the other element. 00:44:20
Yeah, so that #3, all of these designations, the reason why they come to the City Council for legislative decisions that you're 00:44:23
granting them extra allowances. 00:44:28
Enjoy. 00:44:35
That's way also a hearing. 00:44:36
You can add additional uses. 00:44:40
To support that cervical function ideally. 00:44:44
A. 00:44:48
Concept and look at. 00:44:55
The proposed ordinance. 00:44:58
And the proposed changes and say yeah. 00:45:00
You know to say we want to include that. 00:45:05
We actually want to have an in order to be comfortable with whatever you're comfortable saying from a process standpoint, yeah, we 00:45:09
want to include that. We're not comfortable with codifying it or putting in policy or you know that's where we've got to get. I 00:45:16
think there's a way we can include historical Commission, it doesn't matter policy and. 00:45:23
Feeling excluded? 00:45:31
But on the night, I think hopefully I'll be more prepared to have looked through it and looked through what the Planning 00:45:34
Commission said and what the staff said and what's being proposed now in ordinance and compare that with. 00:45:40
Her comments so we could say OK, yeah. 00:45:48
You know. 00:45:52
So I have some questions that didn't relate to her concerns. We want to wait to address those all at the same time. Am I doing 00:45:55
that? Yeah, that's right. 00:45:59
I think so. So let's get out of the night. We'll, we'll remember to tell Stephanie and put that on the agenda. 00:46:05
These other public hearing went to see too. 00:46:15
But it seemed pretty not. It seemed uncontroversial. Level the five feet and and I mean. 00:46:20
One and it was from a CPU owner, and they were. 00:46:32
I mean essentially when you went this year you're going to get, you're going to get five more feet, but it's not add more, it's 00:46:38
not to add more floors or sorties. It's what it's what he's saying like in the village zone I think isn't like a 13 foot pack 00:46:45
requirement on the retail level or something you can get, you can. 00:46:52
You're entitled to next to, I think we voted four or five additional feet if your first level. 00:46:59
Is designed to let all of the team feed. 00:47:05
Then you can you're able to push that extra. 00:47:08
Wall height up a little bit higher. 00:47:11
But you first have to have the 13 viewers to get that extra. Yeah, so we're, you know what you say is a lot of these people are 00:47:15
going to these mixed developments such residential allowed them to see two right as an accessory and so if they put stuff on top. 00:47:23
They want to have 13 or 14 feet of ceiling heights that appropriate retail space tonight. 00:47:32
20 four people to do this, to press the floor levels they don't get as probably as good as it's not standing. I don't think it's 00:47:38
expanding intensity as it may be. It is. 00:47:46
Indicates on the third floor where they could have just got to, no. 00:47:55
Specifically, does not allow 35 feet. Maybe they could. They figured they could only get a 14 or 15 foot region and one floor 00:48:01
residential office. That's the point. 00:48:07
Because physically they can make it work. Yeah. So. 00:48:15
They didn't get C2 small slippers on that, yeah, and there were only about 8 homes that were adjacent. 00:48:23
That we see two area out of the moment and there are pretty few more but are also buffered by either a street or by a canal, but 00:48:31
we're literally worrying about either so that we're abutted right up against the C2. So of course that are all over there on the 00:48:39
north of the Cotton Mall, this application is coming from the green site, correct. 00:48:47
Right. So is that C2? 00:48:55
I thought, did we change it for? 00:48:59
So I mean that will. 00:49:04
So what you're gonna have there now is. 00:49:06
So. 00:49:09
Is that a lot of? Are they restricted by residential? No. That would this change is allowed for? Well, it would be for primary 00:49:12
building. So just the primary brewery and then whatever places they want to put on top would be able to do a 40 feet. 00:49:21
And then the buffer accounts would be there with their accessory too. And I think they're 130 OK, yeah. 00:49:30
So you're right, that's why I wanted eight or so R1 properties. 00:49:40
There the the other properties are RM. 00:49:47
We're 40 feet. Neighbors wouldn't be a big deal and. 00:49:51
Might be. 00:49:56
South of the roots, right? So I'm assuming that RM is not going to be an issue, but the only ones that really might have a 00:49:59
heartache or not would be our lungs, and they really are lungs. So if you're the type blame on this thing being the way that they 00:50:07
are, it's because. 00:50:14
It's anecdotally you could say use of space is not, you know, back when people didn't have well, for one thing. 00:50:24
And then also 10 foot residential was is a more modern kind of height than he has married. But is that an easy way? Is that what 00:50:35
he would describe? And so the only question I have is, is it I'm assuming this is the case that is it only C2 really that this 00:50:42
this no C1 is also in a similar building? 00:50:50
Excuse me? 00:50:59
I'm never opposed to fixing things. 00:51:01
That's a good point. You do have your general plan amendment coming up that even though the actual amendments that. 00:51:05
Like the gas station 711 is they think. And that search center on 2700 E. 00:51:26
I think that's it. I mean, it's a pretty small little. There's not much there. It's probably not going to change this used to be. 00:51:38
I think so. 00:51:48
139 where you are. 00:51:55
What's that called? Oh. 00:52:00
Canvas. 00:52:05
We know that, but it's a pretty small group of properties that aren't changing anytime soon, right? If you find probably a 00:52:09
stealing, let's play the general plan. 00:52:14
Or if somebody wants to run, I guess they can, but I don't know why. 00:52:19
But I have a lot of code this time. 00:52:26
So I guess the C2 things pretty much OK. 00:52:37
OK. 00:52:44
Yeah, yeah. 00:52:47
All right. 00:52:55
So. 00:53:26
Everyone here knows we've been working on this. 00:53:27
The City Hall signing process for your There's not a lot of introduction video we. 00:53:32
Start first with a carpet refresh painting. 00:53:41
And then at the same time I was kind of going down the parallel path with our sideway and then the two panning are combined 00:53:47
together and then once we started addressing segment issues. 00:53:56
There was some well, we should move the walls and they're planning department and we look for Saturday seminar administration area 00:54:05
and then it's just kind of worked into a big project, a really big project. 00:54:14
So. 00:54:26
We hired, we put out RFP for design consultants to like what process studios submitted to us. They worked with us a long time ago. 00:54:28
The concept designed for the terrorists. So Black was very familiar with the building and some of these. 00:54:38
And it's generated application. 00:54:47
They gave us. 00:54:50
Remodel. I started working with the special engineer coming up with the structural needs and then. 00:54:55
We that was in contractors for some contestants and so forth, right? Produced some high level. 00:55:04
Concept hot estimates as well. We presented that to the council and you guys like what we were like that we were going down where 00:55:13
I presented a lot of options for the level of safety for the people that had four different ones. 00:55:22
And we chose level 24 being the highest and we asked for some budget to take back to A. 00:55:33
Preliminary or semantic design? And that's where we're at today. It's weird. Let's prepare about 50 pages of design drawings for 00:55:43
the building, we said. Glad you can't present it to me. 00:55:51
I thought you were telling yourself. 00:56:02
But he recognized that, and we he's presented, he prepared a slideshow. 00:56:06
With the last 10 pages or 12 fashion, the last one being the cost estimate. And so I'd like to spend time with Dwight. Help. 00:56:15
We have to tell you what we've been working on and get you excited about what come next. 00:56:25
Can you hang on? 00:56:33
Hawaii Prophecy. And so we'll just do a quick overview of the process mainly focused on kind of what were the outcomes kind of 00:56:35
this in the next level, what kind of design investigation. So next page. So again the overview is that the big thing that happened 00:56:42
in parallel process was the realization that the scientific upgrades were level 2 would be significant enough that it was 00:56:48
worthwhile for this to be considered like how sensitive the renovations would have to be in conjunction with it and what those 00:56:55
costs would be. 00:57:02
The big question coming out, so if you go to next slide, So what happened is we were able to develop kind of an idea of areas of 00:57:09
renovation and these are related to the structural kind of interventions. And So what had happened is in the previous discussion 00:57:16
where it was decided that Level 2 segment update, which is basically a level team that says that the building should be safe 00:57:23
enough that we can get people out after a major target. 00:57:30
We decided that was the most important speaker because the bigger questions are moving to a Level 3, level 4, Level 4 being the 00:57:38
highest we should mean that you have to be pretty sure that you're building would be able to operate the following day after 00:57:42
nature offense. 00:57:47
Would basically be a completely rebuilding building, right. That was a structural kind of guidance. And so it had, if you guys 00:57:52
remember our conversation, build a new building or not. And so that was the question of we need to see numbers. 00:57:58
To say OK, based upon where the level 2 is, that doesn't worthwhile for your organization. So what happens in the next? 00:58:06
If there were insurance and we did have to rebuild essentially. 00:58:15
Replacement costs entirely of that. That is a great question. 00:58:22
There is. I could get stuff from ours. 00:58:31
Also exclude. 00:58:37
We have. 00:58:42
So. 00:58:46
No, that is that's a very question. So what happens is basically the renovation coordinator renovations with the major testing 00:58:50
upgrades. And so area one is the most intensive of the size techniques for the building which is basically the central corridor. 00:58:58
And the reason why is because structurally this section of the building was constructed with a series of concrete shoe beams that 00:59:05
run on East West And the big thing is that in a typing event it unlucky. 00:59:12
Reinforce the center walls, the tendency for a major segment, then the secret collapse in. 00:59:20
So that's kind of the major section. 00:59:28
Area 2, which is the kind of really administrative way because it's the old part of the building, it's actually concerned 00:59:32
differently. So the size of operators are less intensive. And so there was a question and we've broken it out at area one and Area 00:59:38
2. Is that the question potentially when you look at the cost, would you then actually sequence a little bit? 00:59:44
Or not you all done. 00:59:50
And an Area 3, which is a little blue vestibule, is that an add on is that when we were doing the conceptual design work, what we 00:59:52
had proposed? This is based upon some of the history that happened. Your organization is recognizing that there were situations 00:59:57
where basically right now we do public events that you're not trying to do anything with the upper core you don't have ABA access 01:00:02
to. 01:00:07
And so, if that's the deal ends up being addressing the four different issues, one actually gives you officially a. 01:00:13
Let's say issue or something like that. 01:00:57
So that's kind of how those things are coordinated. 01:01:00
And so as we kind of talk about Level 2, do we say, OK, this is making sure that in a major earthquake event, the building is 01:01:05
stable enough that we can get everyone who was inside the building out? 01:01:11
And give them the kind of ability to kind of have the time to do that of it. 01:01:17
What that is a very simple term is the dotted lines are indicating where we're going to have to do size of upgrades to the 01:01:21
internal walls and then the perimeter of dotted lines are basically there's interventions that have to be done through the group 01:01:27
that will reconnect the group trusted states here at the walls. 01:01:33
It's like. 01:01:40
Hungry is actually quite tight. What we were also proposing is that we flip the pack fitness room from being an internal space and 01:02:15
external space that actually has a little bit of sunlight, even though it's private on the east side. And then as you can see, 01:02:21
these dark lines are basically all walls that actually will be rebuilt. 01:02:27
We will also be able to add Wellness through and an official EOC center on that is planning from baseball Next slide. 01:02:34
On the number four, what that allows us to do is readdress some of the popped up one was the biggest one is the planning gets kind 01:02:43
of revision of how it is out. We work with planning over a couple iterations. So currently what it is is that in the kind of right 01:02:50
adjacent to this space would be new electric timing. So they have a new kind of entrance area. 01:02:56
And then they have the major time period and then actually become the suite. 01:03:03
From the judges and so that was not advised as well as in the backspace we did add a new private office that they said they would 01:03:42
need. 01:03:47
And then in here what would be happening is the not only this room, we get the kind of this regression organization in terms of 01:03:52
the CU movement here and there was some space line. 01:03:57
That's all. 01:04:04
So this is what kind of works. The basement needed kind of group kitchen. And the idea is that not only will they give you like a 01:04:07
better place with a number of staff that you have to have, you actually have a break room, all of them. But it also could be a 01:04:14
casual private space or kind of meetings. So it could be a kind of maybe a hybrid space where people wanted to do a little bit of 01:04:21
work outside their office where they needed to pull out in a more casual space, they have an additional space. 01:04:29
Next slide. 01:04:38
Even revisions to the other one is the new court windows, and then the lower is the new justice. 01:04:40
Interest the court and the conference rooms. 01:04:47
Next slide. 01:04:51
And this is the planning kind of the lower level with the public entrance and investable and the upper regulated workspace for the 01:04:53
offices for the planning plan. 01:04:58
That's fine. So this is Area 2, which is kind of really there's the vestibule. With the vestibule addition there is there would 01:05:04
actually be kind of landscape components and a revision of the parking on that side so that it would address currently of the very 01:05:10
odd. 01:05:16
Umm, parking spaces and then? 01:05:23
So what we found is we've added a staircase that would actually be transitioned from the upper of the officially from the upper 01:05:27
lower level and then this would be the public side basic side area. That's fine. 01:05:32
And so the revision for the administrative wing is addressing the office needs that you've already started seeing popping up. 01:05:42
We've actually there's they've added two temporary kind of spaces as well as two spaces in the old physical office in the new 01:05:48
configuration there's an office spaces for all of those numbers. 01:05:54
As well as kind of a reconfiguration of the copy. So that the big thing is right now as you guys probably know is the upper level 01:06:00
of the administrator wing has to go outside to go to the copy ring and back and forth and so the entire administrator will be desk 01:06:06
all the way backwards. Now it's configured as a seal safe, so you don't actually have to exit into the public corridor to actually 01:06:12
move on the administrator. 01:06:18
And then you can see that we have the best food. 01:06:26
That's fine. So this would be the kind of logging space which was reduced in size so that we can add a little bit of function in 01:06:29
the back. 01:06:32
Inside and this would be in the entrance for the public base particularly for evenings we imagine that we called it this kind of 01:06:36
Lantern at the end of the South face of the building. So that particularly for events of evenings it would be kind of a signal and 01:06:42
you're doing so in and out of this room kind of signals the public that hey look at and so it kind of becomes like a self 01:06:48
important for your for your organization. And then we have a dedicated a game parking as well as now the festival veterans into 01:06:54
lower level. 01:07:00
That song. 01:07:07
So these are how we kind of the reason why and the 50 pages that we developed was because we brought in NEP consultants to 01:07:09
actually look at the kind of coordinated efforts that might happen with the renovations. We got feedback from the structural 01:07:17
engineer on kind of what are the kind of preliminary ideas of the actual construction and then our kind of level of understand 01:07:24
kind of how much kind of space we think is actually impacted for our finishes. 01:07:32
And animations. And so you can see the breakdowns in those areas. And what we developed is we developed enough drawings that we 01:07:40
actually had independent possibilities come due to your preliminary cost of looking. They're relying on much more kind of real 01:07:48
time numbers than we would have. And then they also provided kind of some idea of kind of escalation. So right now the one thing 01:07:56
in our report is that you know the escalation is just to understand is that right now we're running it on the 8% solution, so. 01:08:04
In one year you might see these numbers tested by property. 01:08:13
But this gives you the breakdown of the areas. The big thing is we did breakdown the size of upgrade to this unfortunate. So you 01:08:18
can understand those costs independently. 01:08:22
Or impacts and then kind of you can see where your product costs are projected to be at. Now I think in our initial kind of 01:08:28
discussion with you guys, we were a little bit under this number. We were estimating some RV two and six and six and eight coming 01:08:35
in around 8:00. So but ultimately the kind of our kind of one we were talking about let's say of the ideas of. 01:08:43
Those investments for what this does to your building is, is that these investments, as we turned it from kind of the analysis 01:08:52
from the administrative staff where you're projected to be in terms of staff numbers, this supports your building for the next 20 01:08:58
years in terms of actual staff. So you have space for it. 01:09:03
And now with these renovations, you're probably going to be able to deal in for the foreseeable future in the building for 1000 01:09:09
years. And we're saying that with the size of the information, you should at least another point here. 01:09:15
And so that's kind of where we're at right now. I'd love to hear if you have any specific questions for us or any kind of 01:09:23
feedback. 01:09:26
So most importantly, our staff. 01:09:31
Yeah, yeah. And that's, I think the big thing is the only a slight kind of when you kind of had this bigger discussion as an 01:09:35
organization, well, if you're going to spend this money, you consider other options like moving or something like that. I think 01:09:42
they can use what we serve in front of this fanatic design is you doesn't have space here, right. 01:09:49
Yeah, the space flow into and in fact it does seem like organizers saw that you would have, you would outgrow it. That was a big 01:09:57
thing. So that was kind of a pro machine built in. The question is what happened to you to make it so safe? And so it's kind of 01:10:04
and we've been talking about a new kind of building. What is that essentially going to be? And we reference kind of where no creep 01:10:10
has been in the cost of, you know, it was like a $39 million bond to give you a building that would be approximately the same 01:10:16
square footage. 01:10:22
Like they have slightly a little bit more publication functions, right. You know have to do this market hit something like that. 01:10:28
But you know they do have integrated the Police Department and all the other things you will see that we have the Police 01:10:35
Department isn't included in seismic upgrades on this because the 2nd Engineer did review that side of the building and seeing 01:10:42
that when they did renovation there was done for that part of the building. 01:10:48
And so he felt that what they observed was it would be enough to also say that it would be safe enough to get people out. 01:10:56
And so it would not be worth. 01:11:03
The exercise to then try and take another level because then as well because the next level would be. 01:11:05
How long does this take? So what we what we kind of if you go to the next slide. 01:11:15
We kind of this is kind of the steps that I'm just kind of saying this big picture think about how we've completed step one, kind 01:11:23
of say two. We're presenting to you under hope you guys understand what you're looking at, maybe what options might be if you were 01:11:29
to potentially move forward with actually doing the renovation. So we think that the fashion timeline would be about 6 months to 01:11:35
do all the documentation work that you get from from Freddy and then you go potentially you would question whether you would if 01:11:41
you want to see the document. 01:11:47
Independent contract for a A, you know CMDC so that they would start to get on board if you possess that. 01:11:53
Development process. 01:11:59
And then once the permits are full, you would probably be looking at a minimum worth of the 18 month construction period. 01:12:01
Out of the building. 01:12:08
Yeah. 01:12:11
And you know, the what happened to why the relocation became kind of a potential question of viability is because the Mill Creek 01:12:13
Old Town Hall is available, at least as is, it has all the overall functionality that you would be able to use at the town hall. 01:12:20
So that was considered maybe this kind of opportune time to be able to pick up private states where you didn't even have to do any 01:12:27
kind of get out of that space. So you kind of didn't do it, occupy it and then move back. 01:12:34
Yeah, I think we. 01:12:44
Hey came to the conclusion that stating that. 01:12:46
Sounds great because you would draw out the timeline. But also have you tried to determine how the bigger complications about this 01:12:51
particular type of recommendation is that what we tried to do to kind of bring that cost a little bit was instead of actually 01:12:57
carrying these walls down and rebuilding them in place? 01:13:03
There's enough space that we can actually build the wall in Jesus. 01:13:09
Walls, but basically your second corridor equals being hard to then allow to be accessible for multi daily. Well this construction 01:13:14
is going on. 01:13:18
So from the ease of kind of execution standpoint, it would be probably also better if you guys were able to move out and. 01:13:23
Dissipate like. 01:13:32
To what level of interior innovation are you thinking? Like, does this tile say or does this tile? 01:13:34
I just wondered how much is in there and so go back to the costume, yeah, the costing we've we've in an integral costing basically 01:13:42
your insured cores, interior core. 01:13:47
We're up here, yeah. And then most finishes, so the kind of major kind of into the renovations that are spaces that have 01:13:54
substantial impact of your planning department under a minor renovations to the places where we're changing the Justice Court, 01:14:02
something like this room is actually just probably cosmetic and then the main core does get completely. 01:14:10
Wait a minute, a lot of the woods can probably stay, right? So it would be what we thought. What would we have done is that it 01:14:19
would be pulled. 01:14:22
And then we saw, correct. Yeah. 01:14:26
But go back to your costing way, the one of the one of the footnotes was streaming powers. Yeah so. So what happens is as we 01:14:29
started doing all these things, you know Jared also kind of we've been kind of looking through them very certain things like well, 01:14:35
I have a question what? 01:14:41
If you're doing some of these things, are there certain kind of figure that these were general maintenance issues you may want to 01:14:48
take on or not? That's why we want to know. And so one of the ironies was when we were having anything over it was during one of 01:14:54
the days where the boys were. So the question was like OK, is it a problem with cooling problem. So the NEP guys, you know, did 01:15:00
give a kind of initial consultation, OK. If you have, if this becomes an issue, this would be kind of a question of what the cost 01:15:07
of requesting might be. 01:15:13
Transition, yeah, we could be 3/4 of $1,000,000 essentially. But the other thing is that the heat exchangers you're building 01:15:20
relies on a series of kind of insulin key examples that some of them have been kind of typical to age. The renovation occurred on 01:15:27
the years ago, a little over 20 years ago. So some of these metabolic systems regardless of whether you were doing a renovation or 01:15:33
not, would start to become maintenance issues for you down the line. And so these are now kind of just these are kind of broken up 01:15:39
with these writing about it. 01:15:46
Scope, but now that's identified as potential maintenance issue. So gives us a question of when you guys are looking at money if 01:15:53
you want to take care of it. So you don't necessarily have a renovation within do the air handler. So now we're now plugging along 01:15:58
as we go. 01:16:03
Right. One question, we haven't talked about what about relocating the side of the building, but not on the police side of the 01:16:11
building? 01:16:16
With some of the factors that we've talked about in terms of what difficulties managing your oil, would that affect them? If you 01:16:22
think we can lovely based upon what I what was outlined in the seismic upgrades from which was driving a lot of the web. 01:16:28
It doesn't show. We're really happy to touch the Police Department and because you have a seat at your door and that actually 01:16:37
operates all of an independent building, it would work to say, the Police Department could say. 01:16:43
I think you're asking about each tax system. So the Ajax system is a little bit of, I think there's something, it is zoned in a 01:16:51
certain way and that'll be the one thing is if we decide to stay there might be we just have to talk about to the contractor being 01:16:57
able to, let's say the law or cut off. 01:17:02
The sessions that are being worked on to allow that to differ, the boiler does actually exist over on the police side. 01:17:09
And then there's a series of units that kind of, but it's technically it should be done. There's only so. 01:17:16
I'm just going to add to the thought process. 01:17:25
We've got about 30 of these air handlers slash pumps in the roof and also two closets we could just consider in the renovation 01:17:29
dealing with our side and then on the police side just deal with those as they go out. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah. Yeah, I 01:17:37
think that would be part of it is I think you know our our initial conceptual approach has been in the police hopefully be able to 01:17:44
time operate and anytime work if you make a little noisy. 01:17:52
And. 01:18:01
But in terms of, they're actually completely isolated. 01:18:03
Right, that actually works pretty well. 01:18:06
So I'll just add a little bit more with regards to the heating cooling. 01:18:10
We do have a pointer room. I don't know if anything sit down there from the council. We'd have to be having one day. It's not that 01:18:16
interesting, but all decided. 01:18:22
We have boiler system down there. It's a very high quality boiler system and as long as we maintain that boiler, it should last a 01:18:31
very long time even going forward. 01:18:37
We do have a separate system called water cooler water tower out in the parking lot enclosed by a brick wall. That thing is a 01:18:43
black lady and the cost of that is. 01:18:50
80,000 maybe a little bit more for our higher end on. 01:19:00
That's probably something that we should regardless of the renovation of the building, it's still time for a replacement of that. 01:19:04
10 million by the time you have relocation costs and rent costs and. 01:19:16
Stephanie And you know. 01:19:21
That's what it could be, but. 01:19:26
Kind of like a condensed unit. 01:19:35
It's obviously different, but it has a similar function. 01:19:40
Thank you. And I think the bigger thing was, you know as we discussed the city staff, I think the other challenges, which is again 01:19:43
when you just think about this and it's better than a new building is. 01:19:48
Because as we discussed, we may not actually be able to use in the kind of strategy which like Grant School District does, We'll 01:19:55
go on the ground and flip side because I believe. 01:20:01
On that side of property. So therefore if you can't build in the media place, it means the statement anyway, right? Then you're 01:20:07
left holding and move to another side, right? You're left holding this building as a public entity, which you would have to do as 01:20:13
well. So. 01:20:19
Just one quick question. 01:20:27
And when we hear something that that was there some discussion about where people are right now and what and what would be what 01:20:30
indigenous my thought would be that Jared and Joe are probably better housed with. 01:20:37
This section No. Yes. 01:20:45
We didn't talk about moving options that that would meet. And do you mean they would be better with community development? 01:20:51
So here's my thought was. 01:21:01
I mean, was there any thought that maybe moving some of the staff down here and moving all the planning and stuff up there or is 01:21:04
the stairs an issue? I'm just thinking about using space. I don't need to change this, changes this at all, just where where's the 01:21:12
most efficient places to put what does 10 give us a four chart and show us projections of which line items they did and so we now 01:21:20
provide them species so that all could be accommodated here then. I mean that would just be a philosophical issue of. 01:21:29
You know. 01:21:37
Do they need more? There's plenty of space up there that I can probably be beautifully organized. The house, all the people and 01:21:39
account there and all that, and move those options down here. That's just the thought. That's not going to change this. It's just 01:21:45
where people are going to end up, the steps. There are problems with public access. 01:21:51
All right. So the next steps I guess are going to be to reengage on this and go back to that step chart and say okay. Yeah, we 01:22:01
were saying this after this presentation. It sounds like, you know, you listen to stuff and you as a council will kind of look at 01:22:09
the numbers and say, you know, the bigger question was would you feel like you wanted to Area 1 area, best to feel Area one and 01:22:17
then you can pull up on Area 2? 01:22:25
But knowing that the major kind of area one would be the kind of minimum in that recommendation, but everyone still would require 01:22:34
you to do. 01:22:38
And so that was a question of then do you want to, if you know that you're going to move out of this building? 01:22:43
Do you feel like you could then preach for Area 2, at least until you take care of all those things, that they're part of this 01:22:49
place and you don't have any? I think, yeah, I think this is probably gonna be a kind of. 01:22:56
Philosophical issue of how we do this because I think what they've got to so. 01:23:05
This is $10 million. 01:23:11
You're going to see the spring length and next week that's going to be $10 million. 01:23:14
And so I think one of them we could pay for. 01:23:19
And still have a healthy. 01:23:24
I think we could sell a very healthy fund balance. We could pay for one out of cash, but I wasn't expecting the. 01:23:27
That was probably going to have to be staged and there should have to be different. 01:23:35
Efforts to find additional funding. I don't know if there's any funding available for a City Hall in terms of other funding, but 01:23:41
so then it becomes a tiny issue of. 01:23:46
They want to be the park and City Hall at the same time. We want to say yeah, we want to be City Hall, but. 01:23:52
Maybe we want to get the park loan person and delay this for two years and started to hurt. We want to do it right now. I think 01:23:59
those are all the discussions we have, but I'm not. 01:24:04
I think it'll be $10 million by the time you get done with it and I still think. 01:24:11
Is it? I think we could pay for it with our savings right now. That's the right word to use. 01:24:17
They want to turn off you guys. This will be my deal. You'll have to. 01:24:24
I think consider some maybe other funding sources for the park is there. 01:24:29
You know. 01:24:35
Yeah, there is grant money, so it's four and seeing them individually for this building. We have applied for brick grant that 01:24:38
would go maybe 30% of the way toward the numbers that are included here and the directed towards the improvement knowing that 01:24:47
those are difficult to obtain. We're also pursuing an earmark at the federal level. 01:24:56
For exactly the same the same item, so. 01:25:06
You know, that's a possibility for this building. We're not going to know soon, but we should have. 01:25:11
Within the next six weeks or so would have a clear idea about whether whether our delegation is supportive of including an amount 01:25:17
in a near mark. 01:25:23
The budget for this year just got approved a few weeks ago. Could be a long process, because that's a good. 01:25:29
Signature on the island, right? That's my understanding. 01:25:38
So I think that's going to be a big discussion for the council is. 01:25:43
How do you want to? 01:25:48
Time of this and I don't see a way we're gonna be able to do spring lane with. 01:25:50
It is feasible, yeah. And nothing comes to a stop by that taking a longer time. Whereas once you pull the trigger on this, you 01:25:56
gotta go go, go go, go because this place and. 01:26:03
Everything they're gonna do is do the whole damn thing. 01:26:11
This makes no sense to phase it, because I just mean we're. 01:26:15
Longer in the other space, paying rent for a longer time. And we're not reducing the cost of this in the meantime and yet we're 01:26:17
this is a go, go, go to the park and take 10 years. 01:26:24
We do have $1.7 million reserved from our OPA allocation and answering lane would be a project that we could fund using that. 01:26:32
Yeah, because I thought there's a lot of novices right now for Springline too. So if we can do this. 01:26:45
Of our funds and then faith freely so that people like, OK, we're going to think and then only it's more like that makes a lot of 01:26:50
sense. 01:26:54
The 1.7 though that is. 01:26:59
Showing up as part of our fund balance, right. It's a part of our restricted fund balance. 01:27:02
And we need to decide on a plan for somewhere 24. This is the end of this year. We're using the sums, and then we need to spend 01:27:08
them by the end of 26. 01:27:13
Don't think of that. 01:27:20
Is a great question. 01:27:24
I have to look at that. 01:27:30
I think this clearly is the priority, but you can't use it here and they can't use it there. Is it possible? 01:27:33
If we started starting Forever Fun valves and then the earmarked reimbursement reimburse ourselves with that. 01:27:43
And that's a great question too. You know, sometimes the federal money there is a supplement and lots of plants language that 01:27:51
means we could reimburse ourselves, but I don't know what the restrictions would be. 01:27:58
Doing with this specific application. 01:28:07
Spring lane you could probably. 01:28:13
Through the outside perimeter and planting the grass and then it's buildings, right to do something temporary there like. 01:28:15
Do playground think? Of course, or whatever we end up doing. 01:28:24
Yeah. So it may take three or four or five years to get them. 01:28:28
And that's fine for a partner thing, but this will be. 01:28:34
Part process on June 6th. 01:28:41
And then maybe in July or whenever is appropriate. 01:28:45
Look at this and timing and how the council say, OK, you know, when do we want to? We got the money. We can do that. We can afford 01:28:49
it. 01:28:53
So can you go to the slide that has the steps? 01:28:58
I'm sorry. 01:29:03
So what I have at this point included. 01:29:06
3/3. 01:29:14
And so if you wanted to go that route and you can certainly have this conversation during the budget process as well. 01:29:18
If we could move forward with that stuff. 01:29:27
Get the project ready to go and then we could decide on, yeah. 01:29:32
I think we can just. 01:29:38
I mean, just do that. Can we give you the time? 01:29:40
I don't see any reason to stop the process. It's not going to get cheaper to build and. 01:29:44
And I think everybody here is committed to. 01:29:50
You know, I don't think our residents. 01:29:54
Really appreciate Will appreciate a 30 or $40 million and the stealing is just fine and we can make it look very nice and also 01:29:57
have provide for life safety. 01:30:04
Consider. 01:30:13
And put a building here, the Glass and others say 25 years. 01:30:14
And we were in the market quarter 50. Government is not my business. I don't hope that it grows. 01:30:20
Yeah, I mean so but even there's plenty of space in the school will you like much more efficiently once we get this done than what 01:30:27
we're doing right now. And with our content plan, we actually mentioned like like we we at least have enough space for you to 01:30:35
easily be within the staff patients 10 years without doing there's there's another combined of. 01:30:42
Converting the small little room to the adjacent to the break room into that other administrative office, Openoffice plus wing 01:30:50
which would then add another 10 spaces. So that will be on the table. We need that. That was very far off, so that wouldn't. 01:30:58
Did you, did you program the workout facility downstairs? 01:31:07
Yes. So the we basically moved the kennel be finished into the space. So it's actually the same time. The nice thing about moving 01:31:11
it over is that I just had these videos and so part of that would be yes. And then so they would get a new kind of updated 01:31:19
exhaustion and stuff like that. So that has been part of it. So what I would suggest is that we come all this over and then we do 01:31:27
the same thing with the sermon presentation next week and then the final plan on the 6th. 01:31:35
And either. 01:31:43
June 13th or maybe you're meeting in July, we come back and if there is any direction beyond approval of the funding that we need, 01:31:46
we look at it at that time. 01:31:52
OK. I would say before we closeout the discussion that the vegetable. 01:31:59
Could be constructed. 01:32:07
Staff is in the building. 01:32:10
In the parking lot improvements out there, so that wanted to be phased. 01:32:13
They are considering. 01:32:19
About 5 million. 01:32:21
Best. 01:32:25
OK. So minimize the time right out of the building? 01:32:29
It would be the minimal cost, but something like that would probably be as big as a construction growth as you have here. They're 01:32:33
probably doing it all the time. That would bump it into, it wouldn't dramatically change. 01:32:39
OK. Well, thank you. 01:32:49
Thanks so much. 01:32:53
Unfortunate thing is that. 01:33:07
Building is just, yeah, yeah, He just won't get another opportunity like that. And the council may even wanna consider, you know, 01:33:09
if he did an appropriate committee to this. 01:33:16
Just go ahead and executing on it. Even if you don't apply five or six or seven months, it would be money well spent to have it 01:33:23
secured. 01:33:26
Yeah. So I was going to say it's perfectly being marketed. 01:33:31
I think we're an appealing tenant. 01:33:38
With the start time limited. 01:33:41
But it is being marketed. 01:33:43
OK, so. 01:33:53
No, right, But there's. But they're good. 01:33:59
Frequenting up business in front of this council. 01:34:06
All right. So we're going to go to talk about some personnel stuff. It's not going to be recorded. 01:34:12
So we will take a motion to go into closed session and once they're in closed session, we'll excuse everybody that Gina. 01:34:20
Very good. Jealous and. 01:34:29
Yeah. 01:34:33
Yes. 01:35:02
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And I have some other neighbors that just kind of live around there and I can't remember anything else. 00:00:03
In a circle. 00:00:08
One of the little circles. 00:00:10
3000 to the West. 00:00:14
The copies. 00:00:17
Yeah. 00:00:22
I. 00:00:35
Everybody seems a little frazzled. 00:00:46
And. 00:00:51
I put in my hours of sleep. 00:00:57
Thank you for say that this is older daughter. 00:01:13
Well, I don't know who has the best side of my story. 00:01:29
What's the weather? 00:01:33
My phone was dead. I woke up at 3:40 or whatever. 00:01:38
And that was my. 00:01:43
From the opposite house. 00:01:47
And my I grab my phone and it put on the charger takes like power out and then it does the emergency broadcasting right then. 00:01:52
And it says I just really quick this is an immediate evacuation order for explosion. 00:02:03
Evacuation must be at 1:30 AM. 00:02:12
You can play my screenshot here. It says Alexa announcement from Smash Everybody kind of. 00:02:19
And so, and I heard the thing about both with elementary. I'm like okay, we need to replace 2 hours ago. 00:02:28
So I don't know. I thought it was with a cell tower. So I don't know how they go. That is. That's weird. I mean, it's incredible. 00:02:58
Well, I think the mayor and I might have to be. We were sitting there watching the drone camera. 00:03:18
Taking it and putting the dynamite in the. 00:03:25
And covering it up. And yeah, we were right there. I heard that fire in the whole thing on that recording. 00:03:29
Well, and you can start recording, John, but. 00:03:40
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that went on, but the most. 00:03:45
The part that was thought was. 00:03:49
They they detonated the timeline in the pit 1st and then they were going in 10 minutes later to. 00:03:54
That. 00:04:03
Really feel about this fresh. 00:04:07
My letter you here for? 00:04:14
These fireworks. 00:04:17
We're done. 00:04:21
Anyway, but I was just telling them that I could Harry as far as the whole evening for me was. 00:04:30
The second detonation was occurring 10 minutes after the person that kept it in the basement said We might believe it, there's 00:04:36
best place for it. 00:04:41
And. 00:04:46
There is nothing we were all like, well, he's going to go look well, that's a good because. 00:04:50
4 minutes later we're talking about it. 00:05:00
I mean it just went and we were all like with anybody in checking the Empire, because if they did, they were, they were going, it 00:05:03
was in that second explosion was huge or at least. 00:05:10
I never heard A A toxins so. 00:05:19
What they did first, last one of their the way to do this is a wire connection and like 50 feet or so it can house. 00:05:26
Yeah, I'm just talking to it. And part of that disconnected when the first explosion reset happened. 00:05:34
So they walked that back, trouble shot, and they let us. 00:05:41
It did. Basically the phone holds so when there said it is quiet, nothing happened for no more communications. 00:05:45
Nowhere. The second one happened, that's when they went fix it in the back and detonated it. It just didn't announce it again. 00:05:53
Yeah, well, the radio. 00:05:57
Things happen in those situations. 00:06:03
So I'm starting calling that back. As far as all this next year communications, I'm like, OK. 00:06:08
I have drawn here, started on up there to see what's going on with another person. 00:06:12
They're talking somebody. 00:06:17
All of it, everything very good. 00:06:41
Anyway, well, thanks for being here Chief, and welcome for your work. And of course, let's see, you guys were awesome. 00:06:46
All right, I. 00:06:57
Well, I I would imagine. 00:07:09
We need to say anything about this before public comment. I mean, I guess you should mention it, but. 00:07:13
And I was planning on mentioning it in in my report and then if you have questions. 00:07:21
Let's leave it to that then. I'm trying to think his first responders in my. 00:07:31
Capital Report. 00:07:39
So we'll try to leave. 00:07:41
Comments about this Gina and whatever we want to say kind of. Let's see if anybody had any questions. 00:07:44
We kind of cover it at that point in terms of. 00:07:50
The status of the city as it relates to the after effects of this and what we're doing. 00:07:54
And see what questions the council has, just so you're clear that we continue to communicate this. 00:08:01
All right. 00:08:09
So public hearing of proposed amendments title 13.62. This is this is raising a height in the C2 zones. 00:08:12
If he seekers on the 35 to 40 feet, dogs will be presenting on that. We have an applicant it will the applicant be here? Apple 00:08:20
might be here, his representative. 00:08:27
Do we need to hear from them? I. 00:08:38
Yeah, I think it would be a good idea. 00:08:41
Historic Preservation ordinance to get in the packet. 00:08:52
I do have, I think. Do we have any other e-mail folks? I did receive one from Ron Hilton today. 00:08:56
Anybody else received anything on this? It relates to the public hearing. 00:09:03
I think we'll get some people showing that probably, anyway, but. 00:09:10
There's in the Packet Planning Commission's review that and, well, we can discuss it after the public hearing review that one 00:09:20
again. 00:09:24
And as fast as you like. 00:09:33
Animal Services, again there in the that information, all the data is in the pack. I'm sure they're just going to walk. 00:09:41
My e-mail and we're hoping to pull that. 00:09:49
We don't need a motion. We just need to say, well, we're going to move this to A. 00:09:54
All right. 00:10:02
I'm sorry, I. 00:10:11
Coordinates the amendment the zone change from RMPO. I think that was clarified. 00:10:16
Any issues on that? 00:10:27
I'll probably just ask her any questions or or council final questions and we'll take a motion on that one. 00:10:29
The development agreement, again, it's in the packet. I think it was pretty straightforward for what I read through. Did anybody 00:10:37
have any questions or issues with? It's pretty simple. 00:10:43
Predominantly agreement, so it is basically. 00:10:50
Needs to start and where the setbacks are, which is I think all the setbacks are in existing. 00:10:55
I think I know why I'm concerned that way. This is X feet and Y feet. Is that our references to these? 00:11:04
That has been amended that those numbers should have been placed. 00:11:11
They have been clarified. 00:11:19
And I'll see if we can. 00:11:22
Yeah, that's because if not, I think we need to probably at least make a comment about that, that the X&Y agree this. Yeah, 00:11:29
because the X's and Y at least the distances are, but we're, but we're still left with X&Y and agreement. 00:11:38
And I just was assuming that those were. 00:11:48
Exhibit conferences. 00:11:51
Yeah, the references look percent 25% too. But there's an element of the language X&Y. Yeah, and. 00:11:53
Probably filled in. It's kind of important. And then I saw the exhibit that only that just. 00:12:05
You just need to find it for you. 00:12:12
I mean, the information was there. 00:12:20
We care about this. 00:12:28
Usually not me. 00:12:33
Minutes. Any issues with minutes from January 18th, February 7th and 15th? 00:12:49
I sent that e-mail to Stephanie. She didn't respond that while she's not here today. 00:12:56
On the February 15th, the first page where it says briefing session is dated the January 18th one of the. 00:13:02
But I don't think that's substantively. 00:13:15
How important matters? 00:13:20
But he said that right. 00:13:24
Impressively. 00:13:27
It's a. 00:13:32
Yeah, Stephanie does some of them and then. 00:13:36
My Dennis split references are not included. 00:13:45
No reference to walnuts or. 00:13:52
Date on one of the board that was. 00:14:02
2023 and I think Stephanie changed it. 00:14:07
Yeah, you just need to update the date. I think it's October 15, 2023. 00:14:12
Here's an update. I think that's it, but the fireworks issue. 00:14:18
Is so I mean we've got our ordinance impact ready to go. 00:14:24
And the Fire Marshall Fred Larson technique here basically has kept the restrictions 1300 E. 00:14:31
And automated all holiday. 00:14:44
We've got to drop from there. 00:14:47
So we have some latitude, I guess soon. 00:14:50
You know from his recommendation what we're going to do. 00:14:54
Umm, Salt Lake City and Mill Creek. 00:14:58
Have adopted those restrictions as they have the last couple of years, where they basically are restricting all the fireworks, in 00:15:02
their case east of 900 E. 00:15:06
You said you have something from publicity. 00:15:11
Last year they did not follow the 1300 E recommendation and so they have larger areas of their city that were not restricted. 00:15:18
While they haven't discussed the issue yet this year, my understanding is that that is likely to continue all the big span the 00:15:25
middle. 00:15:33
Him hard work, experience and then. 00:15:42
I know that Mister Pilgrim is much more familiar with that than I am in Chicago providing details about. 00:15:46
Recommendation of the Fire Marshall and what options you have. 00:15:55
Or be OK To do that here we need to make the window across the hall. 00:16:00
I think we can. We can certainly ask some questions here if you could have a more complete. 00:16:04
Issue. 00:16:15
Based on some of the public comment you're seeing piping Creek, you're pretty clear where you're at with this was you know you 00:16:18
know if we should go back to that we had prior to these drought conditions that generated this restriction. 00:16:25
So I think that's the issue is I think we have the ability in the absence of something compelling, yeah, we can do it before we 00:16:33
could do it. 00:16:38
Statue didn't allow us to do the fire Marshall didn't the authority to restrict everything east of 13,000 E that we would like a. 00:16:45
I don't know where the Council down on this or what questions you have of. 00:16:56
Of Chief Pilgrim. 00:17:00
I've had several people reach out to me saying. 00:17:02
We didn't have any fires before. Why? Why can't we go back to our neighborhood gatherings Now? We know some people have crazy 00:17:06
stuff. 00:17:12
People saying they didn't want fireworks and I don't anymore and I now have had a few people saying they wanted me to do. 00:17:25
I guess I'm a little bit curious as to how what the analysis issue. 00:17:35
The last several years we've got the same recommendation. 00:17:43
Pacific level? 00:17:50
So the sea statue is is definitions in 200 past five years. So we are sold in that. But I think, I think the bigger thing is more 00:17:53
of a consistency with not only boundary but say you know, same as I'm taking away this year, this year. 00:18:04
I mean said, you know she wants them this, this stand may be to keep them out the same, but see if they do what they want, most 00:18:15
likely whatever. So that's just that that's the rationale and you're keeping it. 00:18:21
The thing is still fit under that two out of five years and more, just a consistency for enforcement and and for the citizens and 00:18:28
like you said, you haven't done any of that before. I think generally in my experience it's usually so if you bring fireworks 00:18:34
back. 00:18:39
Which? 00:18:46
Historically. 00:18:52
Did that. 00:18:55
That was kind of a multi agency, multi city effort to just build that in a in a drought situation but in common high crime that we 00:19:07
backed that way off we went back to three assets in 2021. 00:19:14
And Brad, you know, keep watching it. He's always going to see. 00:19:23
And and that's no fireworks, you know, again like. 00:19:28
Dan said it's up to you to decide kind of risk tolerance and what you're going to do. 00:19:33
I spent a lot of time working through their math. It's really based on what said, she says, which is open areas, 200 feet of 00:19:40
waterways, trail scans and interface areas. 00:19:46
Everything else that is unrestricted, the work I did this year was just to line up the three open spots along the border. 00:19:52
Challenge. 00:20:01
There's lots of pockets that would qualify for this and so it happens. It's really difficult. 00:20:04
To make clear lines that people understand and so. 00:20:10
That those are the changes you'll see this year. Every year I pulled back and added maybe a pocket area that we just needed to 00:20:17
clean up the challenge with. That is just important. 00:20:22
So. 00:20:38
I think, I think a lot of them before they when they drive around and people are going to start with. 00:20:56
The hard part is aerial and he shot some. It's so hard. I think that's the biggest problem because you grieve with some trolls and 00:21:03
we put you don't have control. We control those those times and I think. 00:21:10
That's all I think that they do. I think it's us. 00:21:17
I don't think the math doesn't become educational, really. 00:21:22
And it is a reducer, really, right? Most people want to see it's red and argument fireworks in the red. This is just how it is. 00:21:27
Is primarily determined and and if something does happen with example having a complex. 00:21:37
Fireworks are in restricted area and house war enforcement. That can be done until people handle for those types of things that 00:21:46
they start wildfire and restricted area. 00:21:51
Without restrictions. 00:21:58
General so, so restrictions kind of provide that actually deter. 00:22:00
Where we're at, where most departments, police departments or areas I've worked with, it is more educational than that. A lot of 00:22:05
people didn't check the map and so sometimes you don't know it. That's that's why there's a little bit exists on. 00:22:12
Portions on that education And is there anything that speaks to I'd be interested in? Like what truly is most like? Which types of 00:22:21
fireworks are truly the most famous, right? Obviously. 00:22:27
You know, aerial things that, you know that. 00:22:34
Is there any, is there any educational material? A lot of that, not that I'm aware of Education and it depends on what your risk 00:22:40
is right? This fire strip or else it's personal injury shared by all the above, right? Aerials are definitely one of our biggest 00:22:46
phones, but we have just many phones with some between hot bucket full of fireworks, sensitive garage and there's idea of 00:22:52
fireworks. 00:22:59
Going sideways into somebody's house? This is probably a question. 00:23:05
But if the fire Marshall is recommending that we restrict fireworks and we choose to extend that, are we then liable if somebody 00:23:12
sliding fireworks legally and then causes? 00:23:17
A fire and then neighborhood. 00:23:24
If you're if you're standing so so right at the grand Marshall is saying no fireworks piece of their PC so so the firearms 00:23:28
recommendation is still fireworks but if we were to say we would like to create a more nuanced probe something more relaxed in the 00:23:37
past did that place liability and I'll ask because we chose to respond differently than what the fire Marshall recommended. 00:23:46
It's always a possibility that it's from because you have so many intervening. 00:23:56
Actions. OK, so. 00:24:01
I think the label is most likely with whoever's voting department. 00:24:03
Proper way. 00:24:10
Do you have a map, Gina? 00:24:12
Council members. 00:24:17
No, like prior and I think I can remember it's like where are you going to be restricted is like that's pretty. 00:24:22
Spring Creek. 00:24:29
Little Cottonwood Creek. 00:24:31
And isn't it the big, isn't it the whole Walker Lane area in the Whole tree County areas, restricted area, that whole area where 00:24:38
that's what happened for years, yeah, well, four years ago. 00:24:46
And I don't know, you never arrived. But she asked that her neighbor could be added to that. So four years ago we did that Tree 00:24:55
County area and it might even be always. I think it is, yeah. So four years ago we would make it bigger. 00:25:05
Yeah. 00:25:16
200 feet. 00:25:22
One of the things. 00:25:30
Is that just because of your education around it instead of relying on the Curve interface International? 00:25:37
The second so big investigation for all you know it's it's so I think that in front of it is it's hopefully it doesn't work. 00:25:51
People can easily figure out. 00:26:03
An extreme situation. 00:26:06
Reinstitute or restrictions. So that has happened past uses it for sure has to do that double sheet like it's fire to him. Yeah if 00:26:10
we go into, we go into. 00:26:15
Draft, unplanned draft. They could come in and basically overwrite everything today. It's always circled. So because I was 00:26:22
considered, because we've had all this undergrowth and then I was just reading in the news that it's supposed to be a hotter and a 00:26:28
drier summer. So assuming that that happens and becomes like the end of June and everything that has been growing for the last 00:26:34
month is now dead. 00:26:39
Potentially they could come in and say we're we're over anything. 00:26:46
Conditions of weather during the moisture place. There's a lot of fields into it, but I'm using my June flight. I'm not quite 00:26:52
there, just like another year drought or something. Also, it has to be even more. 00:26:57
OK. The only product would be is. 00:27:05
Whatever fall out from that, you always decide to. 00:27:15
So if we adopted a less restricted map, we would come back. 00:27:27
And change that if we thought that. 00:27:33
Conditions have changed. 00:27:37
We just thought the reasons are basically hazardous conditions. What you have is you get first back on that, yeah. And then the 00:27:42
pressure we're seeing right now is actually from the firewood industry like. 00:27:49
Your citizen enjoy it for like our industry. 00:27:57
Last minute changes in the restriction announced all of this. Those are the kind of. 00:28:05
So it's. 00:28:15
A slow play. 00:28:19
205 year rule because it does allow. 00:28:22
Properly in this case, I believe the boat turns slowly as opposed to. 00:28:28
You know what weather conditions needed. 00:28:35
That we're going to turn this about let it go slowly since we're ready to two or five years Principal I just supported of 00:28:39
extending to the another until we're out of that condition. 00:28:45
Yeah. 00:28:57
Well. 00:29:03
Yeah, my feeling is going to be if we get to what it's going to be a slip, but I think we could probably delay anything, go past 00:29:05
my personal. 00:29:09
We're not comfortable or we want more information regarding the math, but I think it's basically what we're talking about is 00:29:14
continuing what we've done for reverting back that conditions have changed to the point that. 00:29:20
Where we want to revert back to a prior man. 00:29:27
Which allows fireworks. He just starts in certain areas of the city. 00:29:31
Even though a lot of the city is restricted when you look at that. 00:29:37
Yeah, this one will be one where we'll have a discussion and. 00:29:43
Will probably be great. 00:29:48
Totally at your call. 00:29:55
What would what would be great to think of what the issue would be? Essentially UFAS role is for the fire Marshalls role is to say 00:29:58
hey look I think this is an area that could be at risk and you are authorized to restrict them if you want essentially right? 00:30:06
And I'm kind of representing Brad. 00:30:16
Represent that. 00:30:23
You're saying? 00:30:25
Hearings on this? 00:30:32
Ordinance. 00:30:34
I'm sure there is an exception, but. 00:30:36
I. 00:30:40
You can ask for comment and. 00:30:55
Yeah. 00:30:59
And if that is something the Council is interested in. 00:31:03
People are always free to comment on whatever. 00:31:08
Mayor, that updated development agreement is apparently in the newest e-mail packet. 00:31:15
So I just sent you a new set, so it is. 00:31:21
All it does is change the extra weight, yes. 00:31:25
The one on the website is apparently not the one that you have in your room there and jump this on the screen. I just sent you an 00:31:30
e-mail. 00:31:36
OK. 00:31:43
Less than 30 first afternoon. 00:31:54
We didn't have any briefs closed session. 00:32:18
Public hearing. 00:32:25
I gotta run something to council here. 00:32:30
I'm going to admit that I have. 00:32:35
Read through the. 00:32:39
Historical preservation ordinance. But with the events that transpired, I I just have a really dive into it very deep and now 00:32:43
based on all the comments that they provided, I don't really have a point of reference, I mean. 00:32:49
I understand the main issue, but. 00:32:58
Well, I'm not sure I understand all the historical name monster. 00:33:01
I have almost fit this in on the night. 00:33:05
Would anybody be opposed to? 00:33:14
Halo. 00:33:17
At least giving me a chance. I'd like a chance to really go through the ordinance anymore and the Planning Commission report more 00:33:18
detail. And then? 00:33:22
What did those comments from piano see what she was referencing to the ordinance? Because I really wasn't processing that very 00:33:26
well-being on something. I mean, if everybody's okay, yeah. 00:33:32
And then have it revoke on the 60 along with that Adu, I think the Adu ordinance get kind of a cleaned up copy based on the 16th, 00:33:47
if that's OK if everybody all right. 00:33:55
Sorry. 00:34:02
For a while I didn't get all the best for somebody to reach out to her to get to look at what specific examples. 00:34:07
She had it written down and then we have to wait speak the recording out for this. 00:34:19
So I think the recording is up and there will be a transcript available solution. 00:34:23
For everybody, because I just wasn't processing what her issues were with the ordinances written and then. 00:34:30
I know there's another kind of matrix I think in there that kind of talks about suggested changes. Just getting time to go through 00:34:39
it more appropriately than. 00:34:43
Sitting here trying to. 00:34:49
Get into it right now, but. 00:34:53
Arsenal point. 00:34:56
And these advisory committees, the ordinance. 00:35:00
Anything matters. 00:35:05
As they're currently drafted entitled to move. 00:35:08
No, I think. I think the issue though is I'd be a little bit worried about. 00:35:12
Management. Clearly she feels like they were excluded from the process. I think we can fix that by by including, but I don't 00:35:17
necessarily want to do that by ordinance and mandated by ordinance. And this is a volunteer committee. How do you mandate 00:35:24
participation of people in a volunteer organization? I took to carry out an administrative task. This is the demolition. 00:35:31
I think it needs to be by order staff's job, but that doesn't preclude the staff for reaching out to the historic commission's 00:35:42
resource. 00:35:46
To help interview their job, hopefully. But it stands to pay through this work, something we can mandate. Volunteers and volunteer 00:35:49
organizations carry out administrative status, administrative functions. 00:35:55
Rather than the decision making body and it's not like there are supposed to be an advisory body, but for whatever reason that's 00:36:03
not working that way and so whatever we can do so that. 00:36:10
We can't have their advice and then we can choose what to do with it. But it does sound like there's a skill set that would be 00:36:17
great to take advantage of this process. And so I would be interested in learning where to get that to work more seamlessly as an 00:36:26
advisory capacity, provided we can, you know, take it or leave it. But I think I would want that advice. 00:36:34
I don't think excluding them from the ordinance precludes that. 00:36:44
But I think it's worrisome to include them by ordinance when they're a volunteer board. 00:36:48
There's a way around. 00:36:57
Well, you have, you have different films here. Organizations like the Planning Commission, also your body that's mostly advisory, 00:36:59
they have some duties that may exceed that. 00:37:05
I I just looked somewhere in between. I I don't like the idea in ordinance of of giving them a hammer where they're loosely 00:37:12
comprised. 00:37:17
But I think you can do it in your policy or your your personal kind of workflow on the issue. 00:37:23
You can have something that would be. 00:37:32
Consultation. 00:37:37
With them before the unit permit are making a decision. 00:37:38
What about the general plan? I mean, is there anything about historical? 00:37:44
Definitely. I mean, maybe we could. Isn't the general class that is considered policy? 00:37:50
It's more of a longer guidance. 00:37:56
But it's not working. 00:38:00
I'm sorry about. 00:38:02
It has a tighter relationship to your ordinances because you do have. 00:38:05
A requirement before you do a rezone. You also meant. 00:38:11
Yeah, I think we were. 00:38:19
Fairly careful in drafting the ordinance anyway. The notion that Seth has the ability or should have the capacity to be able to 00:38:22
review the sort of properties in a way, that's the professional matter. 00:38:29
Like in the sense of Jesus practice training. 00:38:36
None of those responsibilities rely on staff. 00:38:40
What we're looking for is an application that enjoys complete and and that the property owner has reached out to those other 00:38:44
entities which should possibly be. 00:38:49
Education system that we can see. 00:38:55
And then bringing all that information to Planning Commission for them, for the City Council, for them to make a decision based 00:38:58
upon the merits of the application. I think that the sort of preservation designating an object aside a style. 00:39:05
Should be pretty clear. 00:39:14
Nuances, whether it. 00:39:17
Would compliant for historic variation. 00:39:20
So, no. So absolutely they could be used in that. 00:39:24
Could they be listed as one of the they listed the state statute and the Federal Register would be possible to list them as 00:39:28
another source. It could provide to their staff of approval that this property needs these designations. 00:39:35
Ordinance change. 00:39:45
Does that make sense as far as saying to give them it's still an advisory role, but they they can have along with state 00:39:49
registered, better registered if the applicant turns in a report that was written or approved by the historic Commission and that 00:39:56
would be what more plus for their application is that? 00:40:03
I think we can look at that as an option. And you're comparing it to Title 2. Responsibilities are classified. 00:40:11
And session it might you could go it into. There's three options that that are available to the property owner. You can consider a 00:40:20
federal or safe designation and evidence preservation. And the third option is the applicant can just read to you what they put 00:40:29
down. There's this situation you can't really get to appointment to save or she does a game site based upon. 00:40:38
The family that lived there and what they did to the city for the area, however, she can bring all that information to the council 00:40:48
and we make that decision. But I I think I don't feel necessarily, but given that she doesn't have a federal or state, I don't 00:40:54
feel necessary to qualify to look at what somebody done and make a determination. So I would think one of those. 00:41:00
Criteria that would be helpful to me is. 00:41:07
Potentially a recommendation for the historic Commission. It doesn't have to be the only option that you can include that as a 00:41:12
fourth option. To me, that feels helpful because I don't. 00:41:16
So one of you to consider is that you Title 2 does not require any special qualifications from members of the Historical 00:41:23
Commission, so it's possible that the two or three people that are will continue might have some of that knowledge base. 00:41:32
But we we so that's that's that's not an organization that has robust. 00:41:40
Participation and turnover and growth. 00:41:49
Like we're having pretty difficult to get more people to join, right? 00:41:54
But. 00:42:02
How about saying? 00:42:04
Someone who, and I don't know how to work this, but someone, someone from the locality who is familiar with the locality and is 00:42:12
familiar with the history of the home or the history of the city or something. You know, sort of like not saying a member of the 00:42:19
historical Commission and because maybe some of these people won't either be honest or anymore. 00:42:27
That basically a description of somebody who has been around for a long time has the institutional knowledge of the city. 00:42:35
Yeah, I know. Similar to normal building permit. I don't like how far you want to be. 00:42:50
Building permitter applications. The subdivision or major building professionals are required to be involved. Surveyors, 00:42:58
architects, engineers. So you could refer back to that type of profession in the application process. I guess. I don't feel like 00:43:05
many people aren't necessarily qualified. 00:43:11
Like I'm necessarily qualified and I'm a decision maker in the process and I'm not thinking it would be like you know? 00:43:19
Going to take it, they automatically would get approved. I just think if somebody's looking like, oh, I think I have an historical 00:43:27
home on my hands and we say these are the resources that you can approach to find more information and just have that as part of 00:43:35
the list to go to. And and and I mean hopefully they're they're going to be involved and have have a lot of information that they 00:43:42
don't then we can look at the merits of the actual application and we'll see that. But I think. 00:43:50
Providing. 00:43:58
I think that would be very helpful. In the in the number three type, yeah, because if it's the same level, that work is done. 00:44:01
Yeah. So it's the number three. They can't get that state level I think. 00:44:08
You're looking at this. 00:44:15
But what is the number? 00:44:17
Well, that's, that's the other element. 00:44:20
Yeah, so that #3, all of these designations, the reason why they come to the City Council for legislative decisions that you're 00:44:23
granting them extra allowances. 00:44:28
Enjoy. 00:44:35
That's way also a hearing. 00:44:36
You can add additional uses. 00:44:40
To support that cervical function ideally. 00:44:44
A. 00:44:48
Concept and look at. 00:44:55
The proposed ordinance. 00:44:58
And the proposed changes and say yeah. 00:45:00
You know to say we want to include that. 00:45:05
We actually want to have an in order to be comfortable with whatever you're comfortable saying from a process standpoint, yeah, we 00:45:09
want to include that. We're not comfortable with codifying it or putting in policy or you know that's where we've got to get. I 00:45:16
think there's a way we can include historical Commission, it doesn't matter policy and. 00:45:23
Feeling excluded? 00:45:31
But on the night, I think hopefully I'll be more prepared to have looked through it and looked through what the Planning 00:45:34
Commission said and what the staff said and what's being proposed now in ordinance and compare that with. 00:45:40
Her comments so we could say OK, yeah. 00:45:48
You know. 00:45:52
So I have some questions that didn't relate to her concerns. We want to wait to address those all at the same time. Am I doing 00:45:55
that? Yeah, that's right. 00:45:59
I think so. So let's get out of the night. We'll, we'll remember to tell Stephanie and put that on the agenda. 00:46:05
These other public hearing went to see too. 00:46:15
But it seemed pretty not. It seemed uncontroversial. Level the five feet and and I mean. 00:46:20
One and it was from a CPU owner, and they were. 00:46:32
I mean essentially when you went this year you're going to get, you're going to get five more feet, but it's not add more, it's 00:46:38
not to add more floors or sorties. It's what it's what he's saying like in the village zone I think isn't like a 13 foot pack 00:46:45
requirement on the retail level or something you can get, you can. 00:46:52
You're entitled to next to, I think we voted four or five additional feet if your first level. 00:46:59
Is designed to let all of the team feed. 00:47:05
Then you can you're able to push that extra. 00:47:08
Wall height up a little bit higher. 00:47:11
But you first have to have the 13 viewers to get that extra. Yeah, so we're, you know what you say is a lot of these people are 00:47:15
going to these mixed developments such residential allowed them to see two right as an accessory and so if they put stuff on top. 00:47:23
They want to have 13 or 14 feet of ceiling heights that appropriate retail space tonight. 00:47:32
20 four people to do this, to press the floor levels they don't get as probably as good as it's not standing. I don't think it's 00:47:38
expanding intensity as it may be. It is. 00:47:46
Indicates on the third floor where they could have just got to, no. 00:47:55
Specifically, does not allow 35 feet. Maybe they could. They figured they could only get a 14 or 15 foot region and one floor 00:48:01
residential office. That's the point. 00:48:07
Because physically they can make it work. Yeah. So. 00:48:15
They didn't get C2 small slippers on that, yeah, and there were only about 8 homes that were adjacent. 00:48:23
That we see two area out of the moment and there are pretty few more but are also buffered by either a street or by a canal, but 00:48:31
we're literally worrying about either so that we're abutted right up against the C2. So of course that are all over there on the 00:48:39
north of the Cotton Mall, this application is coming from the green site, correct. 00:48:47
Right. So is that C2? 00:48:55
I thought, did we change it for? 00:48:59
So I mean that will. 00:49:04
So what you're gonna have there now is. 00:49:06
So. 00:49:09
Is that a lot of? Are they restricted by residential? No. That would this change is allowed for? Well, it would be for primary 00:49:12
building. So just the primary brewery and then whatever places they want to put on top would be able to do a 40 feet. 00:49:21
And then the buffer accounts would be there with their accessory too. And I think they're 130 OK, yeah. 00:49:30
So you're right, that's why I wanted eight or so R1 properties. 00:49:40
There the the other properties are RM. 00:49:47
We're 40 feet. Neighbors wouldn't be a big deal and. 00:49:51
Might be. 00:49:56
South of the roots, right? So I'm assuming that RM is not going to be an issue, but the only ones that really might have a 00:49:59
heartache or not would be our lungs, and they really are lungs. So if you're the type blame on this thing being the way that they 00:50:07
are, it's because. 00:50:14
It's anecdotally you could say use of space is not, you know, back when people didn't have well, for one thing. 00:50:24
And then also 10 foot residential was is a more modern kind of height than he has married. But is that an easy way? Is that what 00:50:35
he would describe? And so the only question I have is, is it I'm assuming this is the case that is it only C2 really that this 00:50:42
this no C1 is also in a similar building? 00:50:50
Excuse me? 00:50:59
I'm never opposed to fixing things. 00:51:01
That's a good point. You do have your general plan amendment coming up that even though the actual amendments that. 00:51:05
Like the gas station 711 is they think. And that search center on 2700 E. 00:51:26
I think that's it. I mean, it's a pretty small little. There's not much there. It's probably not going to change this used to be. 00:51:38
I think so. 00:51:48
139 where you are. 00:51:55
What's that called? Oh. 00:52:00
Canvas. 00:52:05
We know that, but it's a pretty small group of properties that aren't changing anytime soon, right? If you find probably a 00:52:09
stealing, let's play the general plan. 00:52:14
Or if somebody wants to run, I guess they can, but I don't know why. 00:52:19
But I have a lot of code this time. 00:52:26
So I guess the C2 things pretty much OK. 00:52:37
OK. 00:52:44
Yeah, yeah. 00:52:47
All right. 00:52:55
So. 00:53:26
Everyone here knows we've been working on this. 00:53:27
The City Hall signing process for your There's not a lot of introduction video we. 00:53:32
Start first with a carpet refresh painting. 00:53:41
And then at the same time I was kind of going down the parallel path with our sideway and then the two panning are combined 00:53:47
together and then once we started addressing segment issues. 00:53:56
There was some well, we should move the walls and they're planning department and we look for Saturday seminar administration area 00:54:05
and then it's just kind of worked into a big project, a really big project. 00:54:14
So. 00:54:26
We hired, we put out RFP for design consultants to like what process studios submitted to us. They worked with us a long time ago. 00:54:28
The concept designed for the terrorists. So Black was very familiar with the building and some of these. 00:54:38
And it's generated application. 00:54:47
They gave us. 00:54:50
Remodel. I started working with the special engineer coming up with the structural needs and then. 00:54:55
We that was in contractors for some contestants and so forth, right? Produced some high level. 00:55:04
Concept hot estimates as well. We presented that to the council and you guys like what we were like that we were going down where 00:55:13
I presented a lot of options for the level of safety for the people that had four different ones. 00:55:22
And we chose level 24 being the highest and we asked for some budget to take back to A. 00:55:33
Preliminary or semantic design? And that's where we're at today. It's weird. Let's prepare about 50 pages of design drawings for 00:55:43
the building, we said. Glad you can't present it to me. 00:55:51
I thought you were telling yourself. 00:56:02
But he recognized that, and we he's presented, he prepared a slideshow. 00:56:06
With the last 10 pages or 12 fashion, the last one being the cost estimate. And so I'd like to spend time with Dwight. Help. 00:56:15
We have to tell you what we've been working on and get you excited about what come next. 00:56:25
Can you hang on? 00:56:33
Hawaii Prophecy. And so we'll just do a quick overview of the process mainly focused on kind of what were the outcomes kind of 00:56:35
this in the next level, what kind of design investigation. So next page. So again the overview is that the big thing that happened 00:56:42
in parallel process was the realization that the scientific upgrades were level 2 would be significant enough that it was 00:56:48
worthwhile for this to be considered like how sensitive the renovations would have to be in conjunction with it and what those 00:56:55
costs would be. 00:57:02
The big question coming out, so if you go to next slide, So what happened is we were able to develop kind of an idea of areas of 00:57:09
renovation and these are related to the structural kind of interventions. And So what had happened is in the previous discussion 00:57:16
where it was decided that Level 2 segment update, which is basically a level team that says that the building should be safe 00:57:23
enough that we can get people out after a major target. 00:57:30
We decided that was the most important speaker because the bigger questions are moving to a Level 3, level 4, Level 4 being the 00:57:38
highest we should mean that you have to be pretty sure that you're building would be able to operate the following day after 00:57:42
nature offense. 00:57:47
Would basically be a completely rebuilding building, right. That was a structural kind of guidance. And so it had, if you guys 00:57:52
remember our conversation, build a new building or not. And so that was the question of we need to see numbers. 00:57:58
To say OK, based upon where the level 2 is, that doesn't worthwhile for your organization. So what happens in the next? 00:58:06
If there were insurance and we did have to rebuild essentially. 00:58:15
Replacement costs entirely of that. That is a great question. 00:58:22
There is. I could get stuff from ours. 00:58:31
Also exclude. 00:58:37
We have. 00:58:42
So. 00:58:46
No, that is that's a very question. So what happens is basically the renovation coordinator renovations with the major testing 00:58:50
upgrades. And so area one is the most intensive of the size techniques for the building which is basically the central corridor. 00:58:58
And the reason why is because structurally this section of the building was constructed with a series of concrete shoe beams that 00:59:05
run on East West And the big thing is that in a typing event it unlucky. 00:59:12
Reinforce the center walls, the tendency for a major segment, then the secret collapse in. 00:59:20
So that's kind of the major section. 00:59:28
Area 2, which is the kind of really administrative way because it's the old part of the building, it's actually concerned 00:59:32
differently. So the size of operators are less intensive. And so there was a question and we've broken it out at area one and Area 00:59:38
2. Is that the question potentially when you look at the cost, would you then actually sequence a little bit? 00:59:44
Or not you all done. 00:59:50
And an Area 3, which is a little blue vestibule, is that an add on is that when we were doing the conceptual design work, what we 00:59:52
had proposed? This is based upon some of the history that happened. Your organization is recognizing that there were situations 00:59:57
where basically right now we do public events that you're not trying to do anything with the upper core you don't have ABA access 01:00:02
to. 01:00:07
And so, if that's the deal ends up being addressing the four different issues, one actually gives you officially a. 01:00:13
Let's say issue or something like that. 01:00:57
So that's kind of how those things are coordinated. 01:01:00
And so as we kind of talk about Level 2, do we say, OK, this is making sure that in a major earthquake event, the building is 01:01:05
stable enough that we can get everyone who was inside the building out? 01:01:11
And give them the kind of ability to kind of have the time to do that of it. 01:01:17
What that is a very simple term is the dotted lines are indicating where we're going to have to do size of upgrades to the 01:01:21
internal walls and then the perimeter of dotted lines are basically there's interventions that have to be done through the group 01:01:27
that will reconnect the group trusted states here at the walls. 01:01:33
It's like. 01:01:40
Hungry is actually quite tight. What we were also proposing is that we flip the pack fitness room from being an internal space and 01:02:15
external space that actually has a little bit of sunlight, even though it's private on the east side. And then as you can see, 01:02:21
these dark lines are basically all walls that actually will be rebuilt. 01:02:27
We will also be able to add Wellness through and an official EOC center on that is planning from baseball Next slide. 01:02:34
On the number four, what that allows us to do is readdress some of the popped up one was the biggest one is the planning gets kind 01:02:43
of revision of how it is out. We work with planning over a couple iterations. So currently what it is is that in the kind of right 01:02:50
adjacent to this space would be new electric timing. So they have a new kind of entrance area. 01:02:56
And then they have the major time period and then actually become the suite. 01:03:03
From the judges and so that was not advised as well as in the backspace we did add a new private office that they said they would 01:03:42
need. 01:03:47
And then in here what would be happening is the not only this room, we get the kind of this regression organization in terms of 01:03:52
the CU movement here and there was some space line. 01:03:57
That's all. 01:04:04
So this is what kind of works. The basement needed kind of group kitchen. And the idea is that not only will they give you like a 01:04:07
better place with a number of staff that you have to have, you actually have a break room, all of them. But it also could be a 01:04:14
casual private space or kind of meetings. So it could be a kind of maybe a hybrid space where people wanted to do a little bit of 01:04:21
work outside their office where they needed to pull out in a more casual space, they have an additional space. 01:04:29
Next slide. 01:04:38
Even revisions to the other one is the new court windows, and then the lower is the new justice. 01:04:40
Interest the court and the conference rooms. 01:04:47
Next slide. 01:04:51
And this is the planning kind of the lower level with the public entrance and investable and the upper regulated workspace for the 01:04:53
offices for the planning plan. 01:04:58
That's fine. So this is Area 2, which is kind of really there's the vestibule. With the vestibule addition there is there would 01:05:04
actually be kind of landscape components and a revision of the parking on that side so that it would address currently of the very 01:05:10
odd. 01:05:16
Umm, parking spaces and then? 01:05:23
So what we found is we've added a staircase that would actually be transitioned from the upper of the officially from the upper 01:05:27
lower level and then this would be the public side basic side area. That's fine. 01:05:32
And so the revision for the administrative wing is addressing the office needs that you've already started seeing popping up. 01:05:42
We've actually there's they've added two temporary kind of spaces as well as two spaces in the old physical office in the new 01:05:48
configuration there's an office spaces for all of those numbers. 01:05:54
As well as kind of a reconfiguration of the copy. So that the big thing is right now as you guys probably know is the upper level 01:06:00
of the administrator wing has to go outside to go to the copy ring and back and forth and so the entire administrator will be desk 01:06:06
all the way backwards. Now it's configured as a seal safe, so you don't actually have to exit into the public corridor to actually 01:06:12
move on the administrator. 01:06:18
And then you can see that we have the best food. 01:06:26
That's fine. So this would be the kind of logging space which was reduced in size so that we can add a little bit of function in 01:06:29
the back. 01:06:32
Inside and this would be in the entrance for the public base particularly for evenings we imagine that we called it this kind of 01:06:36
Lantern at the end of the South face of the building. So that particularly for events of evenings it would be kind of a signal and 01:06:42
you're doing so in and out of this room kind of signals the public that hey look at and so it kind of becomes like a self 01:06:48
important for your for your organization. And then we have a dedicated a game parking as well as now the festival veterans into 01:06:54
lower level. 01:07:00
That song. 01:07:07
So these are how we kind of the reason why and the 50 pages that we developed was because we brought in NEP consultants to 01:07:09
actually look at the kind of coordinated efforts that might happen with the renovations. We got feedback from the structural 01:07:17
engineer on kind of what are the kind of preliminary ideas of the actual construction and then our kind of level of understand 01:07:24
kind of how much kind of space we think is actually impacted for our finishes. 01:07:32
And animations. And so you can see the breakdowns in those areas. And what we developed is we developed enough drawings that we 01:07:40
actually had independent possibilities come due to your preliminary cost of looking. They're relying on much more kind of real 01:07:48
time numbers than we would have. And then they also provided kind of some idea of kind of escalation. So right now the one thing 01:07:56
in our report is that you know the escalation is just to understand is that right now we're running it on the 8% solution, so. 01:08:04
In one year you might see these numbers tested by property. 01:08:13
But this gives you the breakdown of the areas. The big thing is we did breakdown the size of upgrade to this unfortunate. So you 01:08:18
can understand those costs independently. 01:08:22
Or impacts and then kind of you can see where your product costs are projected to be at. Now I think in our initial kind of 01:08:28
discussion with you guys, we were a little bit under this number. We were estimating some RV two and six and six and eight coming 01:08:35
in around 8:00. So but ultimately the kind of our kind of one we were talking about let's say of the ideas of. 01:08:43
Those investments for what this does to your building is, is that these investments, as we turned it from kind of the analysis 01:08:52
from the administrative staff where you're projected to be in terms of staff numbers, this supports your building for the next 20 01:08:58
years in terms of actual staff. So you have space for it. 01:09:03
And now with these renovations, you're probably going to be able to deal in for the foreseeable future in the building for 1000 01:09:09
years. And we're saying that with the size of the information, you should at least another point here. 01:09:15
And so that's kind of where we're at right now. I'd love to hear if you have any specific questions for us or any kind of 01:09:23
feedback. 01:09:26
So most importantly, our staff. 01:09:31
Yeah, yeah. And that's, I think the big thing is the only a slight kind of when you kind of had this bigger discussion as an 01:09:35
organization, well, if you're going to spend this money, you consider other options like moving or something like that. I think 01:09:42
they can use what we serve in front of this fanatic design is you doesn't have space here, right. 01:09:49
Yeah, the space flow into and in fact it does seem like organizers saw that you would have, you would outgrow it. That was a big 01:09:57
thing. So that was kind of a pro machine built in. The question is what happened to you to make it so safe? And so it's kind of 01:10:04
and we've been talking about a new kind of building. What is that essentially going to be? And we reference kind of where no creep 01:10:10
has been in the cost of, you know, it was like a $39 million bond to give you a building that would be approximately the same 01:10:16
square footage. 01:10:22
Like they have slightly a little bit more publication functions, right. You know have to do this market hit something like that. 01:10:28
But you know they do have integrated the Police Department and all the other things you will see that we have the Police 01:10:35
Department isn't included in seismic upgrades on this because the 2nd Engineer did review that side of the building and seeing 01:10:42
that when they did renovation there was done for that part of the building. 01:10:48
And so he felt that what they observed was it would be enough to also say that it would be safe enough to get people out. 01:10:56
And so it would not be worth. 01:11:03
The exercise to then try and take another level because then as well because the next level would be. 01:11:05
How long does this take? So what we what we kind of if you go to the next slide. 01:11:15
We kind of this is kind of the steps that I'm just kind of saying this big picture think about how we've completed step one, kind 01:11:23
of say two. We're presenting to you under hope you guys understand what you're looking at, maybe what options might be if you were 01:11:29
to potentially move forward with actually doing the renovation. So we think that the fashion timeline would be about 6 months to 01:11:35
do all the documentation work that you get from from Freddy and then you go potentially you would question whether you would if 01:11:41
you want to see the document. 01:11:47
Independent contract for a A, you know CMDC so that they would start to get on board if you possess that. 01:11:53
Development process. 01:11:59
And then once the permits are full, you would probably be looking at a minimum worth of the 18 month construction period. 01:12:01
Out of the building. 01:12:08
Yeah. 01:12:11
And you know, the what happened to why the relocation became kind of a potential question of viability is because the Mill Creek 01:12:13
Old Town Hall is available, at least as is, it has all the overall functionality that you would be able to use at the town hall. 01:12:20
So that was considered maybe this kind of opportune time to be able to pick up private states where you didn't even have to do any 01:12:27
kind of get out of that space. So you kind of didn't do it, occupy it and then move back. 01:12:34
Yeah, I think we. 01:12:44
Hey came to the conclusion that stating that. 01:12:46
Sounds great because you would draw out the timeline. But also have you tried to determine how the bigger complications about this 01:12:51
particular type of recommendation is that what we tried to do to kind of bring that cost a little bit was instead of actually 01:12:57
carrying these walls down and rebuilding them in place? 01:13:03
There's enough space that we can actually build the wall in Jesus. 01:13:09
Walls, but basically your second corridor equals being hard to then allow to be accessible for multi daily. Well this construction 01:13:14
is going on. 01:13:18
So from the ease of kind of execution standpoint, it would be probably also better if you guys were able to move out and. 01:13:23
Dissipate like. 01:13:32
To what level of interior innovation are you thinking? Like, does this tile say or does this tile? 01:13:34
I just wondered how much is in there and so go back to the costume, yeah, the costing we've we've in an integral costing basically 01:13:42
your insured cores, interior core. 01:13:47
We're up here, yeah. And then most finishes, so the kind of major kind of into the renovations that are spaces that have 01:13:54
substantial impact of your planning department under a minor renovations to the places where we're changing the Justice Court, 01:14:02
something like this room is actually just probably cosmetic and then the main core does get completely. 01:14:10
Wait a minute, a lot of the woods can probably stay, right? So it would be what we thought. What would we have done is that it 01:14:19
would be pulled. 01:14:22
And then we saw, correct. Yeah. 01:14:26
But go back to your costing way, the one of the one of the footnotes was streaming powers. Yeah so. So what happens is as we 01:14:29
started doing all these things, you know Jared also kind of we've been kind of looking through them very certain things like well, 01:14:35
I have a question what? 01:14:41
If you're doing some of these things, are there certain kind of figure that these were general maintenance issues you may want to 01:14:48
take on or not? That's why we want to know. And so one of the ironies was when we were having anything over it was during one of 01:14:54
the days where the boys were. So the question was like OK, is it a problem with cooling problem. So the NEP guys, you know, did 01:15:00
give a kind of initial consultation, OK. If you have, if this becomes an issue, this would be kind of a question of what the cost 01:15:07
of requesting might be. 01:15:13
Transition, yeah, we could be 3/4 of $1,000,000 essentially. But the other thing is that the heat exchangers you're building 01:15:20
relies on a series of kind of insulin key examples that some of them have been kind of typical to age. The renovation occurred on 01:15:27
the years ago, a little over 20 years ago. So some of these metabolic systems regardless of whether you were doing a renovation or 01:15:33
not, would start to become maintenance issues for you down the line. And so these are now kind of just these are kind of broken up 01:15:39
with these writing about it. 01:15:46
Scope, but now that's identified as potential maintenance issue. So gives us a question of when you guys are looking at money if 01:15:53
you want to take care of it. So you don't necessarily have a renovation within do the air handler. So now we're now plugging along 01:15:58
as we go. 01:16:03
Right. One question, we haven't talked about what about relocating the side of the building, but not on the police side of the 01:16:11
building? 01:16:16
With some of the factors that we've talked about in terms of what difficulties managing your oil, would that affect them? If you 01:16:22
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