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We'll call the meeting to order. | 00:00:01 | |
#1 welcome. | 00:00:06 | |
I feel very welcome. | 00:00:08 | |
I apologize for missing last week. I assume it was. | 00:00:14 | |
It was a budget. | 00:00:18 | |
We'll start talking about it next week. | 00:00:21 | |
And that begins with the overview. So I'll just turn it over to Gene and we'll start. This is the first time, I think 3. | 00:00:25 | |
We'll basically have three work sessions today, next week and then. | 00:00:33 | |
We'll have a public hearing on the six foot. We'll also go into work session again and just usually if there's any loose ends we | 00:00:39 | |
need to type before we. | 00:00:43 | |
Is this the set 6? | 00:00:51 | |
So voted on the 13th and that would be. | 00:00:54 | |
You have like to you can stretch it out another meeting. | 00:01:00 | |
But I'm not Ant hesitating to do that. | 00:01:06 | |
Oh. | 00:01:12 | |
All right, so I hope we've all had a chance at least. | 00:01:16 | |
Overlook the budget document that you received last week. | 00:01:20 | |
We're going to spend some time just looking at some high level numbers and explanations and then. | 00:01:25 | |
Break it down. | 00:01:33 | |
Into presentations that in the next three weeks, starting with Sarah this evening. | 00:01:36 | |
So overall the budget that you received, the tentative budget for all funds is about $44 million? | 00:01:41 | |
Get too attached to that number and and generally we just talk about this. | 00:01:51 | |
A lot of sources with the exception of the storm water fund which is has its own source of revenue and the RDA, many of the other | 00:01:59 | |
funds, capital projects and that sort of an art really receive as revenue money from the general fund. So that $44 million double | 00:02:07 | |
count dollars. | 00:02:14 | |
Which is why I don't spend too much time for talking about it. | 00:02:24 | |
And we're going to focus this evening on the general fund. So that that's where what I want to look at. | 00:02:29 | |
And this this chart looks at the revenue sources into the general fund over time. | 00:02:37 | |
If this this picture would be pretty consistent if we went back another decade. | 00:02:46 | |
Taxes, property tax and sales tax are about 80% of revenue into the general fund. | 00:02:52 | |
We receive. | 00:03:01 | |
About 8% of general funds dollars from intergovernmental sources, that's primarily our Class C or gas tax, allocation of your tax | 00:03:03 | |
and some other revenue sharing opportunity. | 00:03:09 | |
About 8%. | 00:03:17 | |
Pretty consistent numbers for business licenses and building permits over. | 00:03:21 | |
Time at about 4%. | 00:03:26 | |
Thank you. | 00:03:34 | |
Justice Court revenue again at about 4%. | 00:03:36 | |
And then some small dollar charges for services. | 00:03:40 | |
Road cuts. | 00:03:45 | |
That sort of thing. | 00:03:47 | |
On the expense side, looking at the general fund fire department, I don't think this chart is going to surprise any of you. Police | 00:03:57 | |
is how largest share of our general fund budget is about 35% and fired about 14%. So between the two public safety. | 00:04:08 | |
Contracts that account for about 50% of our general fund budget. | 00:04:20 | |
Police and fire participants. Those are the 2 biggies. | 00:04:29 | |
Public service is that ratio of like 2 1/2 to one. | 00:04:34 | |
Leased fire has it always been that big a gap or is police is really proud I would if I just off the top of my head I think fire | 00:04:39 | |
used to be closer to 17% so that the public services I think was it. | 00:04:48 | |
Used to be at the 14 and fire was 17. | 00:04:57 | |
I think fire has grown slower overtime for a variety of reasons, leases growing quicker, public services. | 00:05:03 | |
Right now, does that include? It does include everything that Jared doing, but the larger. | 00:05:13 | |
In the general fund, the largest component is really that contract. | 00:05:22 | |
Services. So those are the three big areas. Not departmental is. | 00:05:31 | |
It's a constructed department and really includes 2 large functions that are transferred to the capital project fund and are | 00:05:38 | |
transferred to debt service fund. | 00:05:44 | |
That's where those two items both are debt service payments and how we pay for capital projects if we don't have a bond. | 00:05:51 | |
Are in that non departmental category. We also have a few other smaller items. | 00:06:02 | |
You'll see happy, healthy holidays expenses. Our 4th of July celebration is there. We'll talk about that one night that that's the | 00:06:12 | |
kind of the category of expenses you'll see there. | 00:06:17 | |
Other than that, these expenses again were made pretty consistent over time. Community and economic development about 5%, justice | 00:06:24 | |
Court of about 5%. Administration is actually growing a little this year and we'll talk about the reasons for that. | 00:06:32 | |
Another evening. | 00:06:42 | |
That's about the city attorney's budget and the city. | 00:06:44 | |
Looking at the budget from the general fund a different way. | 00:06:54 | |
High expense type. This really highlights our model of providing services and. | 00:06:58 | |
You see that when you look at how we spend money by type. So about 70% of the money that we send out of the general fund is going | 00:07:07 | |
to be charged for service. Police, fire, public works. | 00:07:14 | |
City Attorney. | 00:07:22 | |
And about. | 00:07:24 | |
Less than 15% is actually for staff in primarily in this building that are providing direct services. | 00:07:26 | |
This half of the building, that's right. | 00:07:36 | |
About 11 percent is of our overall budget is in those contributions and transfers to other funds that are references. | 00:07:42 | |
Either transferring to the Arts Council. | 00:07:50 | |
Fund or to get service capital projects. | 00:07:54 | |
A little less than 5% on operations engagement. | 00:07:59 | |
Paper stationary and some non capital improvements to the. | 00:08:05 | |
Enough other expenses. | 00:08:12 | |
But far and away our largest. | 00:08:14 | |
Type of expenses or those charges from services from other agencies. | 00:08:17 | |
So just for perspective, I looked at a couple of other cities to show you what that pie would look like. | 00:08:26 | |
Depending on how services are provided. So in West Jordan that is a pretty traditional. | 00:08:34 | |
City and then they provided police and fire services. | 00:08:42 | |
70% of their expenses in the general fund for personnel. | 00:08:46 | |
25% or for operational costs? | 00:08:53 | |
Sandy, this is a different model. | 00:08:58 | |
But a lot of their services also provided directly in about half of their expenses. | 00:09:02 | |
Personnel related so. | 00:09:09 | |
Were really different in that respect from a lot of other communities. | 00:09:11 | |
And Sandy is like. | 00:09:15 | |
2 1/2 times outside, they're bigger than that, or more. Three or three times and one of those. | 00:09:17 | |
The web Jordan is also a first classity. I think they're. | 00:09:22 | |
Shell. | 00:09:27 | |
Most of those. | 00:09:29 | |
Other expenses are essentially our police and fire, right? So that ends up being personnel. | 00:09:31 | |
Really, it's just how you spend the dollars. That's right. And that would be an interesting exercise at some point. | 00:09:37 | |
Looking at those contracts, if you if we took those personnel services part of those budget. | 00:09:50 | |
How that would look? | 00:09:56 | |
It does mean that you as a council have less control of this person dollars. That either happens in the case of public works at | 00:09:58 | |
the County Council level or at the USA board or. | 00:10:04 | |
So looking at that 14%? | 00:10:16 | |
And really down into our own personal costs. | 00:10:19 | |
So we said about 3.5 million or will in fiscal. | 00:10:23 | |
About 65% of our costs are related to wages. | 00:10:31 | |
Salary and 30% of benefits. | 00:10:38 | |
I'm just going to point out here that that means we're providing a very rich benefit package for our employees. | 00:10:43 | |
Our health insurance, for example, we pay 90% of the premium for single or double or family, whatever an employee selects. | 00:10:50 | |
We have a variety of. | 00:11:02 | |
Retirement system programs and we also provide a match that people. | 00:11:05 | |
Are making their own contribution to. | 00:11:10 | |
So. | 00:11:17 | |
Offer a 401K match. | 00:11:19 | |
It used to be very, very common. I think it no longer as common. | 00:11:21 | |
So no match for this soft performant care? Are they providing it with a different type of? | 00:11:30 | |
So most cities participate in URS. They think and I think what's rare is the richness of our. | 00:11:35 | |
So right now the policies that the council adopted that it's up to 5%, little match on percentage. | 00:11:47 | |
That's really one for one for one, yeah. | 00:11:57 | |
I think that's really meant to encourage. | 00:12:02 | |
Our staff to save. | 00:12:06 | |
I think of less than half of our staff. | 00:12:09 | |
Is it a benefit we realized the benefit from? | 00:12:18 | |
In your view like. | 00:12:22 | |
Do employees? | 00:12:25 | |
The tipping point on them? | 00:12:27 | |
Or is it just? | 00:12:32 | |
Something they did. I mean, that's a great question and that's something we can ask. | 00:12:33 | |
It's hard for me to answer. | 00:12:39 | |
Last year. | 00:12:43 | |
So I. | 00:12:47 | |
I don't know. I I would like to disagree with you. | 00:12:49 | |
If you feel comfortable sharing, yeah. | 00:12:54 | |
I think it's great. | 00:12:58 | |
Oh, sorry. | 00:12:59 | |
Holiday. | 00:13:06 | |
You would. I noticed that. Calculate that height to your package. That was just me though. | 00:13:12 | |
Yeah, it probably depends on the employees do like a direct level position probably. | 00:13:21 | |
Was more likely to do a 4018. | 00:13:26 | |
So our personal costs reflect 1 vacancy, which is. | 00:13:40 | |
Number of years. | 00:13:49 | |
We have also included in the tentative budget a request for one new position, which is a parks and maintenance worker position. | 00:13:56 | |
Anticipating a change in maintenance. | 00:14:06 | |
Around this road insight so. | 00:14:11 | |
The $68,000 that you see here is the reflection of. | 00:14:15 | |
More anticipated POS. | 00:14:25 | |
In an ideal world, we would be able to hire from one of our seasonal staff members. | 00:14:28 | |
But that that would be the idea. | 00:14:42 | |
You see a small dollar, about $33,000 included in additional pay. That's a placeholder for things like overtime. There are a | 00:14:45 | |
couple of physicians where we provide a language. | 00:14:52 | |
Adjustment in. | 00:15:00 | |
For people to use their language skills as part of their job, that's primarily the justice. | 00:15:04 | |
So. | 00:15:12 | |
Absolutely and. | 00:15:14 | |
So we think that spring is. | 00:15:21 | |
November, kind of. | 00:15:24 | |
So because we haven't negotiated with school district, I'm not sure at what point they would assume us taking over maintenance. | 00:15:27 | |
This is this replacement to see if that happens. | 00:15:36 | |
Placeholder for November through June and then it would and then it would increase increase the full FDE position. That's right. | 00:15:41 | |
And so this assumes this is a position is a good illustration of. | 00:15:49 | |
The richness of our benefits, because I think. | 00:15:59 | |
I included a position that's maybe $22.00 an hour. | 00:16:03 | |
But if someone is taking health insurance? | 00:16:08 | |
That almost double S the cost of the. | 00:16:12 | |
Sorry, the soup that they would be taking up. | 00:16:17 | |
Package it could need it. | 00:16:22 | |
This slide just breaks out that same personnel cost looking at. | 00:16:36 | |
Staff and elections. | 00:16:42 | |
At this table, 90% of our our percent costs are related to staff. | 00:16:45 | |
If that elected officials members. | 00:16:54 | |
Seems time to you. | 00:16:56 | |
A lot of that is. | 00:16:59 | |
Our Justice court judges. | 00:17:02 | |
Full time salary and. | 00:17:07 | |
Is the Planning Commission compensated? | 00:17:12 | |
They are, and I think that. | 00:17:14 | |
$50 a meeting. | 00:17:18 | |
I think 45, yeah. | 00:17:22 | |
In terms of major personnel changes that you will see in the budget. | 00:17:31 | |
Other adjustments. Last year we had budgeted to include GIS Manager. | 00:17:43 | |
And for that $36,000 represented I think 3 months of. | 00:17:51 | |
Salary benefits. | 00:17:59 | |
Based on the skills of people we have hired in both public services and CD, we're not going to hire that position. So the fact | 00:18:01 | |
that. | 00:18:05 | |
How we had budgeted for positions and what people are either actually being paid or what their benefit package looks. | 00:18:17 | |
That's about $61,000 in savings. | 00:18:26 | |
Increased by almost 5% this year. | 00:18:31 | |
Added to the budget. | 00:18:35 | |
Changed for most. | 00:18:38 | |
The cost of the city has actually. | 00:18:42 | |
Down this year. So that's savings of about 20,000. | 00:18:44 | |
Cancel each other out. | 00:18:51 | |
We have some market adjustments and expected promotions included in the. | 00:18:53 | |
About $32,000 and then. | 00:18:58 | |
To visit the major personnel changes. | 00:19:07 | |
Other changes that we'll be talking about. | 00:19:12 | |
Include, no surprise, your identity. | 00:19:17 | |
Change for police? | 00:19:21 | |
An increase of how I'm trying. | 00:19:26 | |
675 or close to 300,000 for USA. | 00:19:29 | |
185,000. | 00:19:36 | |
So then we have a 250 increase for or I'm sorry, A-150 increase for Republican? | 00:19:48 | |
So those are. | 00:19:59 | |
Big expense changes we'll be talking about over the next few months. | 00:20:00 | |
Now we'll go into more depth in terms of our revenue. | 00:20:17 | |
Just another look at that same. | 00:20:28 | |
General fund revenue Sources. | 00:20:31 | |
In municipal finance. | 00:20:51 | |
One of the things we try to look at is how our revenue is split. | 00:20:56 | |
Between property tax and tax and other. | 00:21:04 | |
A lot of people refer to this as a three legged. | 00:21:09 | |
School with India that you want to keep them dropped in the heat. | 00:21:12 | |
In our case, looking forward to just little 25, property tax would be about 40 percent, 39% of our general fund revenue, sales tax | 00:21:17 | |
about 30. | 00:21:23 | |
And other sources of that funding. | 00:21:29 | |
To me, this is a really healthy mix of revenue sources, property tax being the most stable revenue source. The wing is, I think | 00:21:32 | |
we've all tracked that before. The way our property tax truth and taxation is designed, it's our revenue steady over time. | 00:21:42 | |
So that is. | 00:21:52 | |
In good times, we're not receiving a windfall from changes in property. | 00:21:55 | |
Valuations, in the bad times we're also not being. | 00:22:02 | |
Our our revenue states. | 00:22:06 | |
Consistent. | 00:22:09 | |
And that really helps us. | 00:22:10 | |
Low inflation. | 00:22:19 | |
That's true. | 00:22:22 | |
Sales tax. | 00:22:24 | |
Is a very volatile source of revenue and so. | 00:22:25 | |
If if we were to look at this chart and sales tax. | 00:22:31 | |
40 or more percent. | 00:22:35 | |
That's when I personally would start to get a little worried just because there is such volatility that could change and. | 00:22:39 | |
Having looked at that, the extent side of our budget there is. | 00:22:49 | |
It's difficult for us to adjust given the fact that so much. | 00:22:55 | |
Of our budget is in this. | 00:23:00 | |
So to me this is a really stable. | 00:23:04 | |
Yeah. Well, I would just say in other cities I've worked for sales taxes in a way larger portion of our revenue. And it's a major | 00:23:14 | |
concern just because I actually turned one of our budget meetings with our council. I just illustrated the fact about how | 00:23:21 | |
situations like 2008 can impact the city's revenue. And in 2008, the sales tax hit significantly in property tax stays the same as | 00:23:27 | |
it doesn't compensate it also if that drop happens early options. | 00:23:34 | |
Or. | 00:23:44 | |
So that's really just a reflection of. | 00:23:49 | |
Well, although this is with the with the new. | 00:23:54 | |
It's not just. | 00:23:57 | |
Commercial locations here, but it is. | 00:23:59 | |
The share that we get. | 00:24:01 | |
What did this look like before that allows like 20? | 00:24:04 | |
How long has that been in place? So 21 is when we did our first part. | 00:24:09 | |
Increase. So this I think I mean I mean to where to where the property tax. | 00:24:14 | |
Track the location like it with online shows and things like that. | 00:24:19 | |
And so that changed. I mean, I know that we've seen the big surge in sales access now kind of. | 00:24:26 | |
Level out, right? | 00:24:31 | |
But was it back in 19, was it a comparatively small portion of our budget or I mean sales tax has been the lowest we dipped was | 00:24:33 | |
28%? | 00:24:39 | |
But you know we did two things almost it simultaneously where we started to realize more sales tax and they also approved. | 00:24:47 | |
So that's something I can get for you, but both things change. | 00:24:59 | |
I would be. I don't know if anybody else would be interested, but. | 00:25:05 | |
Part of the expense high and the revenue pie that you had with work came from. | 00:25:11 | |
Would anybody be interested in going back? | 00:25:17 | |
Particular amount of time, How hard would it be to compare like? | 00:25:21 | |
I would be curious to see. | 00:25:26 | |
Ten years ago or 12 years or whatever it is. | 00:25:30 | |
What do those pies look like and what they look like now? | 00:25:33 | |
Because part of the reason we did, you know, might be interesting to look at that piece of pie too. | 00:25:39 | |
At the same time, and I would assume sales tax five would be smaller by percent, but also to see what's happened in that public | 00:25:45 | |
works piece because. | 00:25:50 | |
I'm hoping that that. | 00:25:55 | |
Is a lot bigger than it was. | 00:25:58 | |
10 or 12 years ago. | 00:26:00 | |
Which is kind of what drove that. And I can almost guarantee that, yeah. But it might, I mean. | 00:26:02 | |
What happened over the last whatever, whatever that I don't know. | 00:26:10 | |
We probably work. Does that change you at municipal contract sort of empty airline seat pricing versus small loaded? | 00:26:15 | |
Maybe like go back ten years or something. | 00:26:23 | |
Yeah, that would be really simple to do. | 00:26:26 | |
For you. | 00:26:30 | |
So. | 00:26:39 | |
A little deeper into revenue of, you know, we've talked about sales tax and what has happened over. | 00:26:40 | |
This last year where we have seen a stall of the growth that we were previously experiencing in sales tax starting from that | 00:26:48 | |
September October 2019 time period. | 00:26:56 | |
Really through. | 00:27:05 | |
The middle of 23. | 00:27:07 | |
So a few months ago, I think I told you we were a little nervous that we were going to come in under budget in terms of sales tax | 00:27:12 | |
this year. | 00:27:18 | |
We were about, I think $180,000 less than budget through January. | 00:27:25 | |
Our February numbers that we received at the end of April were actually. | 00:27:32 | |
Really great. About $200,000 over budget. | 00:27:38 | |
Made-up for the deficit? | 00:27:43 | |
Previously experienced exper. | 00:27:46 | |
What that means though is, is we're talking about before we're projecting sales tax flat for. | 00:27:55 | |
We'll see what happens from this point whether. | 00:28:05 | |
That month we saw in February continues or return. | 00:28:09 | |
So with that kind of picture, we can't rely on the way that we have the last couple of years on that growth and sales tax to. | 00:28:19 | |
She fondly. | 00:28:30 | |
Site increases open. | 00:28:32 | |
So I'm curious on if you don't mind. | 00:28:36 | |
We've got a few. | 00:28:40 | |
Years. It looks like the forecasting is fairly substantial. Dips right on the budget. Is that am I reading that right? Yeah, but | 00:28:42 | |
it never. | 00:28:47 | |
You know, actual, never reflecting that, do we have a tendency to? | 00:28:53 | |
Is there something that makes us think that we'd have a similar dip rather than holding more constant so the budget this is? | 00:28:56 | |
Kind of an awful graph because it's quarter, quarter or quarter. | 00:29:04 | |
And so some quarters are just we expect more So fourth quarter there's more sales tax than. | 00:29:10 | |
That's right. So December is generally a big month. So quarter two is, is usually much larger than you're going to see in the | 00:29:17 | |
first quarter. And so that's really it. It's the trend more than the ups and downs. | 00:29:25 | |
But the actuals here are the actuals. So we don't it doesn't we're paying for those little, those little is what we're saying. | 00:29:35 | |
Pardon me is Q4 those little flips in the in the actual you know? | 00:29:43 | |
Of the different years, right. So is that it just? | 00:29:51 | |
Perhaps of a beacon through kind of a thing, I guess in the actual supposed to. That's right, yeah. | 00:29:55 | |
And usually what what I have traditionally done is just taken the actuals and kind of smooth that. | 00:30:02 | |
Smooth them. | 00:30:10 | |
It doesn't look soothed in this graph. | 00:30:13 | |
Else to be like the. | 00:30:18 | |
Mid year sort of budget adjustments when we saw where. | 00:30:20 | |
Way ahead of the game, which would cause the budget line to be stockier. | 00:30:24 | |
And we haven't done any budget adjustments. | 00:30:28 | |
So that's really. | 00:30:32 | |
That reflects. | 00:30:35 | |
What we see. | 00:30:37 | |
At one time a year. | 00:30:39 | |
We haven't really adjusted it. | 00:30:42 | |
So because we don't expect growth in sales tax. | 00:30:51 | |
At the. | 00:30:56 | |
With your agreement, the tentative budget includes a 15% property tax. | 00:31:00 | |
That's more than we're planning to spend. | 00:31:09 | |
Fiscal 25. | 00:31:13 | |
Have a surplus in the general fund. | 00:31:16 | |
With the idea that then that means. | 00:31:20 | |
That would be next year without a tax. | 00:31:23 | |
That that's something the council can certainly. | 00:31:27 | |
The thought is we want to get out. | 00:31:35 | |
Four or five years before we do this again, I think that would be wise because. | 00:31:37 | |
I mean, just in terms of shared numbers, we're going to chew up. | 00:31:43 | |
900,000 of activists in the police and fire increases. | 00:31:46 | |
Fish, right? | 00:31:51 | |
Which is going to be dead on building. | 00:31:54 | |
But uniquely this year because of the, I hope so, but it will still have those. | 00:31:57 | |
By 6% normal increases those buckets. | 00:32:05 | |
And so 1.1 million, it's not going to get us a long way over a period of time. | 00:32:09 | |
But the idea with that $600,000 gap is that. | 00:32:15 | |
Rather than doing a big tax increase every single year that we can spread that out. | 00:32:19 | |
And is that 16,000 just go into the general fund then for? | 00:32:23 | |
Yeah, it just becomes part of fund balance. | 00:32:27 | |
How costly is going through text? | 00:32:35 | |
In terms of. | 00:32:38 | |
The actual cost not very significant. We have some. | 00:32:41 | |
Public notice requirements, certainly some public engagement that we're trying to do to help our residents under. | 00:32:46 | |
I don't need to do the massive thing. | 00:32:59 | |
This time that we did last. | 00:33:01 | |
We're still. | 00:33:08 | |
And talk about our approach. | 00:33:10 | |
Because it's not as large and because our residents. | 00:33:14 | |
Accustomed to the process that we're seeking. | 00:33:18 | |
No. | 00:33:27 | |
I don't know when the appropriate time would be, but I would like to talk about that frequency of how often the kind of | 00:33:29 | |
anticipated taxation just because. | 00:33:32 | |
Personally, I think anyways more of a fan of more frequently and more frequently and substantial. | 00:33:37 | |
Audi Grits become the goal. | 00:33:46 | |
Inflation is a real thing, so we have to, we have to take that into consideration and you know. | 00:33:49 | |
Unexpected or extraordinary circumstances like Mississippi this year, things like that, right? | 00:33:54 | |
We haven't decided doing it sooner. | 00:33:59 | |
But. | 00:34:02 | |
You know, quite honestly, I think with the ARPA funding and then with the growth in sales tax. | 00:34:04 | |
When they made that legislative change, we were generating a lot more revenue than we anticipated. We just didn't feel like it was | 00:34:13 | |
justified to do it. But now we're getting back to normal. | 00:34:18 | |
You know, normal growth curves that. | 00:34:25 | |
But yeah, that's a. | 00:34:28 | |
That's a discussion that the Council should have, I think. | 00:34:29 | |
Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. | 00:34:35 | |
A good target when you're going out and going for 910% increases. | 00:34:44 | |
Every three or four years or something like that. | 00:34:49 | |
Are we thinking that this would give us that three to four year? | 00:34:52 | |
I think you'd have to draw down fund balance. | 00:34:56 | |
Which I don't, we don't want to do that. But you could do that. I mean, yeah, so you don't need this. I mean, I think it really | 00:34:59 | |
depends on the size of the increase we see in those things. | 00:35:05 | |
Those contracts. | 00:35:12 | |
If it normal. | 00:35:15 | |
500,000. | 00:35:19 | |
They could probably get it and we see some growth in sales tax. | 00:35:21 | |
Another three years if we see. | 00:35:26 | |
Two big things between the park and this building. | 00:35:33 | |
Also. | 00:35:38 | |
Something of the capital, but it all comes from property. | 00:35:41 | |
How much money do you think you will see coming start command? | 00:35:45 | |
From Cotton Mall and When? | 00:35:49 | |
So we're seeing a. | 00:35:53 | |
Fair amount of increment, I think we broke into the $100,000 income. | 00:35:57 | |
Project area. | 00:36:05 | |
But. | 00:36:07 | |
Most of our property tax and most of the sales tax. | 00:36:08 | |
Through 2038. | 00:36:16 | |
And the percentage share on that is. | 00:36:27 | |
75% of. | 00:36:29 | |
And sales tax boy. | 00:36:37 | |
I think it's the same. | 00:36:41 | |
We do get. | 00:36:45 | |
Recollection half percent. | 00:36:47 | |
Admin fee. | 00:36:50 | |
So we'll get. | 00:36:53 | |
Something to help offset our? | 00:36:54 | |
Administrative. | 00:36:57 | |
Workload. | 00:36:59 | |
But we're not going to. | 00:37:04 | |
We still get the base. | 00:37:07 | |
Not much. | 00:37:13 | |
So we do have a few other small revenue changes that I just want to point out with the addition of a new. | 00:37:17 | |
Four, we're seeing a bump in. | 00:37:27 | |
And so the budget. | 00:37:34 | |
Suits of $50,000. | 00:37:37 | |
Increase. | 00:37:39 | |
With both that hotel and with short term rentals, whether or not they're legal, we can still tax them. | 00:37:42 | |
They're being taxed. Some platforms are collecting that tax, so. | 00:37:50 | |
We are seeing the benefit of additional interest in this tender budget. | 00:38:00 | |
And interest income, we're assuming an increase of $150,000 in our Class C distribution or some legislation last year, two years | 00:38:07 | |
ago. | 00:38:13 | |
That he had thought was going to cause that distribution to dip for a bit. What is that? So it's gas tax and there's space there | 00:38:20 | |
are certain. | 00:38:25 | |
Schedule of uses. We can use that for our Rd. maintenance snow removal. | 00:38:31 | |
That sort of thing. | 00:38:38 | |
Our expense, as always, greatly exceed what we receive. | 00:38:40 | |
Can you repeat what's happening with that again? | 00:38:48 | |
So it's increasing by $150.00. | 00:38:53 | |
It is not related to prices, it's there's a formula share. Last year the legislature changed how that was being allocated between | 00:38:58 | |
some. | 00:39:03 | |
Really is and other. | 00:39:09 | |
For a bit before increasing, we just haven't seen that. | 00:39:14 | |
There's a flat per gallon of percentage of price. | 00:39:19 | |
Gina, we thought we had that issue with. | 00:39:24 | |
The legislation. | 00:39:27 | |
Where was it 300,000 we were getting? | 00:39:29 | |
A year for 15 years and is that in that piece? It is in its. I'm not showing it as a change because I think we're in year four, | 00:39:33 | |
yeah. | 00:39:38 | |
And then we're seeing a change in the cost of our prosecutor. | 00:39:49 | |
As we have brought Mill Creek on, we weren't sure last year at this time what that volume of cases was going to be for prosecution | 00:39:55 | |
services. We are experiencing a change in the increase in the time prosecutors. | 00:40:03 | |
Awesome cases. He is asking for an increase, and at this point we're assuming more frequent pay for that. | 00:40:12 | |
Pinfall, so that's we're assuming it increases about 40. | 00:40:22 | |
So that's the revenue picture. | 00:40:29 | |
So let me just look at the cases that this. | 00:40:32 | |
Periodically. | 00:40:37 | |
So we have a formula or contract basically allocates using just that kind of methodology cases. | 00:40:39 | |
But we don't want our costs to increase because that was kind of a hard deal because we didn't want our costs to increase in | 00:40:47 | |
cotton pipes with certainly the same position. | 00:40:52 | |
So we're trying to figure out how to tie that increase just. | 00:40:59 | |
Have a look at a more complex form. | 00:41:07 | |
Sense is, they're pretty happy with. | 00:41:15 | |
The arrangement and I think it's costing them less money. | 00:41:18 | |
For sure it's passing less money I received. | 00:41:22 | |
So we'll meet again probably after the end of the fiscal year. | 00:41:29 | |
The overview and the revenue picture is level 5. | 00:41:50 | |
We're going to move ahead and unless there are other questions and taught public services. | 00:41:54 | |
Which has we're going to talk to storm water. | 00:42:02 | |
As part of public services capital projects and then the general fund portion. | 00:42:06 | |
So now I'm just going to turn it over to jerk. | 00:42:15 | |
Do you want me to stay here? | 00:42:18 | |
Unless you want to stand up and be the. | 00:42:24 | |
I was. | 00:42:28 | |
I was originally planning to drive down the Escalante. | 00:42:31 | |
But I moved my shirt back two weeks, so I doubled. My presentation went from 5 minutes to 10. | 00:42:35 | |
Where did we start with public services? | 00:42:45 | |
What page is that on? | 00:42:48 | |
90. | 00:42:52 | |
Yeah. | 00:42:54 | |
However, I'll just have you focus on the slide. | 00:42:56 | |
Okay. | 00:43:07 | |
Which looks like. | 00:43:11 | |
OK, just a quick review of our work chart. | 00:43:16 | |
Joe Bolton is our assistant city Engineer. | 00:43:25 | |
We've got Thomas Norbit, who is the crew chief. | 00:43:29 | |
Supervisor. | 00:43:33 | |
Josh Rayburn and George Stahl. | 00:43:35 | |
Work maintenance workers under. | 00:43:40 | |
Our umbrella here as well. In addition to that, we've got. | 00:43:45 | |
We're going to ramp up to three or four seasonal employees. We've got one. | 00:43:48 | |
Was, you know, kind of over where we have been trying to hire more. | 00:43:54 | |
Since mid February, we've got one. His name is Zane. | 00:43:59 | |
And after discussing with Gina about. | 00:44:05 | |
Struggles with hiring. | 00:44:10 | |
The seasonal wave. | 00:44:13 | |
Just as we bumped up. | 00:44:15 | |
Are paid from $15 to $16.00 for the position. | 00:44:17 | |
With a little bit of a bonus in there, so. | 00:44:21 | |
I've actually got a few more applications since we did that. | 00:44:24 | |
As soon as we get an application, it doesn't mean they really want the job. | 00:44:31 | |
But. | 00:44:40 | |
I know we're bringing. I guess this would be the right time. | 00:44:45 | |
To ask but. | 00:44:50 | |
I know we're bringing on somebody else. | 00:44:52 | |
I still have concerns. | 00:44:56 | |
About our ability to keep up with our. | 00:44:58 | |
Our city infrastructure. | 00:45:02 | |
Do we have enough? Do you think that's enough? | 00:45:04 | |
Or if we can hire them, are you thinking parks and that? | 00:45:08 | |
I. | 00:45:13 | |
With the 4th person full time, I think we should start with that. | 00:45:18 | |
And rather than jump to a fit, but after a while we find that the 4th person isn't cutting it and we could look at how big the | 00:45:24 | |
staff up. | 00:45:29 | |
I mean, the struggle has really been hiring. | 00:45:37 | |
The things would be looking different. | 00:45:45 | |
What specific concerns do you have? | 00:45:52 | |
Just being able to keep up with what we have and keep up looking nice. | 00:45:54 | |
Because a lot of it now is maturing and I think it's becoming more and more difficult to maintain it. | 00:46:00 | |
And I just want to make sure we have enough investment that we can we can keep our trees trained, we can keep. | 00:46:06 | |
Grass cut. | 00:46:13 | |
You know, like right now there's big job. | 00:46:15 | |
Just getting things in shape, I know, Gina said. Give us. | 00:46:18 | |
Give us a minute, but it's. | 00:46:24 | |
It's going to be a job just getting a lot of this stuff. | 00:46:25 | |
Into shape for the summer season, it will be yes. Um. | 00:46:28 | |
We've got the cruiser. | 00:46:34 | |
Full bore at work. | 00:46:38 | |
They're very busy. | 00:46:40 | |
We've had some vacations and Taos had back surgery recently. He's on light duty now for another three weeks, so. | 00:46:43 | |
Yeah, we were hoping to be stepped up to nine people right now. | 00:46:54 | |
Yeah, we do. | 00:47:05 | |
Find it easier. | 00:47:08 | |
That full-time person, we wanted to go that route. | 00:47:10 | |
Versus the seasonals, we come in, we explain to them that you don't get the benefit and you'll be leaving in six months. | 00:47:15 | |
See the challenge because. | 00:47:24 | |
Once the winter timer just isn't as much right stuff to do and. | 00:47:27 | |
Well, you know, then you're, I'm not just concerned about the hourly problem taking it up because they're not benefiting | 00:47:34 | |
employees. | 00:47:38 | |
And you got to add. | 00:47:43 | |
50% of the wage, if you're going to bring on or whatever that number is. | 00:47:46 | |
That load, that full-time people. So, but I don't know, there's probably limitations to what we can do, but it wouldn't. | 00:47:51 | |
Doesn't bother me to add some dollars, the markets, the market, right. So it's going to say are we just under market a little bit? | 00:48:00 | |
To be able to, if we're trying to get the F9 and it's May and you know, I don't know I guess, I guess that complicates someone | 00:48:07 | |
who's got your full time people that you're trying to. | 00:48:12 | |
Yeah. | 00:48:19 | |
Yeah, I don't know. | 00:48:22 | |
So if you look at other. | 00:48:27 | |
We're in the range, you know, there's a tremendous range from really 12 to 20. | 00:48:29 | |
Jared experienced hiring doesn't seem unique. | 00:48:37 | |
When talking to other contractors. | 00:48:42 | |
Yeah, I just had a conversation with the contractor a couple weeks ago. | 00:48:46 | |
I said, hey, I'm having a hard time hiring. How's your experience been? And he's like, I can't get anyone to show up for any of | 00:48:52 | |
you. | 00:48:55 | |
The labor market is very tight right now. | 00:49:01 | |
For those low skilled. | 00:49:05 | |
Workforces like. | 00:49:08 | |
You don't see the college students coming out for the summer or wanting to do this kind of work. | 00:49:09 | |
And most of the people who are not in college want a full time work. | 00:49:15 | |
Throughout the year, so. | 00:49:19 | |
It's a little bit of a. | 00:49:22 | |
Yeah, it's kind of tough. | 00:49:25 | |
I think maybe we go a couple more weeks and I'll report back to Gina. | 00:49:29 | |
To see if our recent. | 00:49:33 | |
Pay increase. | 00:49:36 | |
I think. | 00:49:39 | |
I don't know what the dynamics are internally in the city in terms of what they structure. | 00:49:41 | |
Get that? But there's also a big difference between a full time person and. | 00:49:47 | |
Amount of benefits that's loaded onto that position. They could walk different than paying just a straight time with a part-time | 00:49:52 | |
wage. And so if. | 00:49:56 | |
I mean. | 00:50:01 | |
I'll leave it up to you guys, but if we need to take our wage up to get more people. | 00:50:04 | |
A couple dollars an hour and that's what the market is and that's what the market is. | 00:50:10 | |
Thank you for that support ticket, something I can definitely discuss. | 00:50:16 | |
I mean, one of the things we're trying to. | 00:50:25 | |
Which is why we have. | 00:50:34 | |
We're looking at a, you say through August 50 bonus if you stay through October, that's a $500. Yeah, I think that's more | 00:50:39 | |
effectively takes it to about $17.00 an hour, even more so whatever you guys want to do, whatever latitude you need to get her | 00:50:45 | |
part time. | 00:50:52 | |
Crews in place. | 00:51:00 | |
The councils support that we're not going to have a budget issue with it. | 00:51:03 | |
Drove my butter nut the other day and that looks I was like. | 00:51:07 | |
Pretty good. | 00:51:11 | |
And then I drove by it as your estate thing down by just like. | 00:51:12 | |
Maybe it needs help, you know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, in the end I just think if we have these public assets. | 00:51:18 | |
Yeah. | 00:51:26 | |
Yeah, it's not that it's going to get ignored all summer, it's just it's on the list and they don't get. We will get to it. It's | 00:51:28 | |
just. | 00:51:32 | |
It's not as beautiful as we would like it all the time. | 00:51:37 | |
Right now. | 00:51:40 | |
OK, umm. | 00:51:44 | |
So our, our funds, we've got expenditures that come out of three different funds as Gina noted, our general fund, our capital | 00:51:49 | |
projects fund and our storm water fund, 55% of that being stormwater. | 00:51:57 | |
Umm. | 00:52:08 | |
So I'm going to go over some of our highlights in each of those funds. | 00:52:15 | |
So the Salt Lake County Public Works contract is increased by just. | 00:52:22 | |
Over 5%. | 00:52:27 | |
Which translates to about $150,000. | 00:52:30 | |
That is mostly to cover inflationary costs of the county not only. | 00:52:35 | |
Labor, but materials as well equipment maintenance and replacement. | 00:52:42 | |
So that seems to be kind of on par with a lot of other departments. | 00:52:51 | |
That. | 00:52:58 | |
We do get above every year. I don't, I can't remember really what the trend has been from each year, but. | 00:53:00 | |
That be correct to say that's pretty standard. I think so, yeah, I mean two years ago we had larger increase and then last year it | 00:53:09 | |
seems like it was a smaller increase but averaging out around 5%. | 00:53:15 | |
So the general the new parks position would come out of the general fund. | 00:53:29 | |
One of the things that I'd like to note is that we are transitioning, we'd like to transition all of our two struck engines on our | 00:53:35 | |
leak blowers, our hedging equipment and. | 00:53:42 | |
Our chainsaws and a variety of other things from two circuit to electric two strips are extremely polluting engines, releasing A | 00:53:51 | |
tremendous amount of. | 00:53:57 | |
Greenhouse gases for the power output, so we. | 00:54:04 | |
Put in $10,000 and that would cover all of our change out for those machines. | 00:54:10 | |
Umm, we've got 8. | 00:54:18 | |
Going on to our stormwater fund, we are not increasing the stormwater fee. | 00:54:21 | |
We are collecting. | 00:54:27 | |
Is something that we would make into the Council here next year. | 00:54:30 | |
To discuss whether or not we would want to do that. It was in the original. | 00:54:37 | |
Presentation given to the Council by our financial consultant a couple of years ago that. | 00:54:43 | |
It would be. | 00:54:51 | |
We would start with the fee that we're at now and then overtime that would be increased. | 00:54:53 | |
So what's going on is we do have about just under $700,000 a year. | 00:54:58 | |
On debt service and that's for our bond that's a 20 year. | 00:55:05 | |
Bond will be paying off. | 00:55:10 | |
We collect approximately $1 million for. | 00:55:13 | |
Our saltwater fee annually, so it just leaves maybe a little over $300,000 to spend on storm water. | 00:55:19 | |
We don't really need that increase right now because we have the money from the bond. | 00:55:26 | |
That bond is going to be spent about 12 to 18 months from now. | 00:55:32 | |
And at that point we would just be able, we would only be relying on that. | 00:55:38 | |
Delta between the stormwater heat and what we're paying on the deck service. | 00:55:44 | |
So once you get. | 00:55:52 | |
That stabilize you kind of get? | 00:55:54 | |
Idea of what the ongoings are going to be and then make decisions you want to. | 00:55:57 | |
Execute that increase, I think it was like. | 00:56:01 | |
6:50 to like $9 a month on the ERD for. | 00:56:05 | |
Single family home. So for that. But yeah, I agree with that. Let's get our stuff done. | 00:56:10 | |
History here too, and see what the ongoing costs are. | 00:56:16 | |
And then? But then council can decide that doesn't take the same sort of truth and taxation sort of. No, it's just that vote, | 00:56:20 | |
right? | 00:56:25 | |
Public hearing but it. | 00:56:35 | |
And I'm assuming there's some like limitations. That's how I understand those types of things. That's right. So you. | 00:56:38 | |
State law. You could transfer money from an enterprise fund to, say, the general fund. | 00:56:47 | |
That would be. You need to do as part of that. | 00:56:58 | |
We already have a need to do that because we have plenty of storm water. It would seem inappropriate to me. That's interesting. | 00:57:01 | |
Yeah. So some cities, cities that run energy funds. | 00:57:06 | |
Do that pretty routinely. | 00:57:13 | |
We used to do it routinely and do anymore. | 00:57:17 | |
The way to keep your. | 00:57:24 | |
So moving into our capital project fund, just note a few things going on in that fund that you might want to be aware of. | 00:57:34 | |
We have set aside. | 00:57:43 | |
Some funds to hire our consultant to continue the design on our City Hall up to a complete design and engage a consultant for | 00:57:46 | |
construction as well. | 00:57:54 | |
We would have put that we wouldn't actually start construction on that work with this fund. | 00:58:02 | |
As Genius noted before. | 00:58:08 | |
We would come back to the Council at a later time. Um. | 00:58:12 | |
As discussions develop as to how funding for this construction would actually occur, to keep the momentum going, we would like to | 00:58:17 | |
continue to engage the consultant on completing the design. | 00:58:23 | |
Conveyance construction costs too. | 00:58:31 | |
Or laying dates of it? Are we talking about working with the same architect? | 00:58:34 | |
You're very happy with the work that's been done by Process Studio, so we fully intend to have them continue that work rather than | 00:58:40 | |
putting it out for a proposal and spending a month during that process and then probably selecting the same consultant. | 00:58:50 | |
His sees are very reasonable and the quality of his work we've been very happy with. We do have a full cost estimate based on the | 00:59:00 | |
preliminary design that he's completed and was presented a few weeks ago. | 00:59:07 | |
So. | 00:59:15 | |
It's that seven, $10 million. | 00:59:16 | |
It came in around 8 million, but you know with some add-ons it was lower down on the exclusion item. We could be up to the $10 | 00:59:21 | |
million range. | 00:59:26 | |
So this, so this is the $350,000 line item in the budget? | 00:59:32 | |
So what does that get us if we know the cost estimate? | 00:59:37 | |
So the preliminary design is a 50% design. | 00:59:41 | |
So I've asked the consultant to provide us a proposal to take us up to 100% designed for bidding. | 00:59:46 | |
So this would be his construction document so we can get actual. | 00:59:54 | |
Specification range from 8:00 to 10:00. | 01:00:01 | |
Well, no, it doesn't mean that just because you completed design that. | 01:00:06 | |
What it does do is it decreases the contingency amount so that some of the stuff that that's assumed in the preliminary work for | 01:00:11 | |
costs can be. | 01:00:17 | |
Narrowed down into we know exactly what this is going to look like now and so we've removed some of those contingencies by the | 01:00:24 | |
time we get to a detailed. | 01:00:29 | |
And we hope and our target is to try to shoot for the beginning of the calendar year to have that done. | 01:00:35 | |
We would like to have a completed set of documents. | 01:00:43 | |
Ready to go? | 01:00:51 | |
Late fall And then, if the council is ready, we would actually bid it, say November. | 01:00:53 | |
Anticipation that possibly live out as early as January or. | 01:01:01 | |
Maybe as late as the spring 2025. | 01:01:07 | |
So really, it's the point we're going to say, are we going to do this? | 01:01:11 | |
My speaking. | 01:01:14 | |
Am I surprising you on what I'm saying? | 01:01:18 | |
No, I think that's all. I think we're all committed. | 01:01:31 | |
To go forward with this and get the numbers and. | 01:01:35 | |
Looking at it and seeing what our timelines look like and. | 01:01:38 | |
I think we've got a done deal. We've got to get this. Yeah, I think we don't have to. | 01:01:44 | |
We can get the plan set up, but we've got to get the spring lady stuff still in. The council will have some. | 01:01:49 | |
Difficult discussions to make in terms of how they're going to find the face. | 01:01:54 | |
To me, it all hinges on the. | 01:02:01 | |
And then? | 01:02:09 | |
Yeah. So we'll see. | 01:02:14 | |
Big things going to be to move to and then. | 01:02:17 | |
You know, we've got some option in place, but that option could very well be done by then. | 01:02:22 | |
And so then it's how do you do it? So we'll. | 01:02:28 | |
Yeah, it's not going to be easy. | 01:02:36 | |
3 bottles. | 01:02:39 | |
OK. In addition to the City Hall project. | 01:02:46 | |
Looking at a. | 01:02:53 | |
See if we can. | 01:02:55 | |
Do some bus shelters. | 01:02:57 | |
And we've budgeted about $30,000 for that. | 01:03:02 | |
How many shelters does that give you? | 01:03:07 | |
Depends on how artistic we want to make. | 01:03:10 | |
I think. | 01:03:13 | |
From my understanding this requesting from the Council, so if there was a certain number that the Council would like us to target. | 01:03:15 | |
If that's two. | 01:03:23 | |
I don't think we're going to get more than two out of that, but it could actually just be. | 01:03:25 | |
GTA. | 01:03:32 | |
We sense any desire to participate. I have talked to ETA about. | 01:03:33 | |
Bus shelters. They create classifications and I think there's three different classifications for how busy the bus stop is based | 01:03:39 | |
on passenger rides. | 01:03:45 | |
Determines the level of improvements for each stop. | 01:03:53 | |
They are willing to. They have a program to come in and do upgrades to bus stops. It is exactly to their standard, and it is | 01:03:59 | |
according to their priority. | 01:04:05 | |
And we have not really seen them do anything in holiday. | 01:04:12 | |
Because they feel like they have priorities elsewhere for their money and meet the UK standards, it is somewhat expensive. | 01:04:19 | |
To do each bus stop. | 01:04:29 | |
Can you do you use their data to determine which bus stops? | 01:04:31 | |
So we do have access to their data, their rides, whether or not. | 01:04:36 | |
Two busiest ones are like by Holiday Oil, Murray Holiday Road and Highland. | 01:04:43 | |
So we could look at the one probably on the West side, which is close to the holiday oil side. | 01:04:50 | |
That's the busiest one in the city. | 01:04:58 | |
It doesn't really. It doesn't have a shelter, so I would recommend that we consider that one first. | 01:05:00 | |
And I would totally agree with that. I think that one's going to be expensive because we don't have right away in that area. | 01:05:08 | |
There are some challenges with the application. This is the one that. | 01:05:14 | |
Yeah. So if we did that one, then it would probably take all of that. | 01:05:18 | |
It very well could. We haven't done. | 01:05:25 | |
Much. | 01:05:30 | |
Cost analysis on. | 01:05:32 | |
Question. Well, I don't think we go above that number. So it's. | 01:05:35 | |
We can do too great. But if we can't, I think the point is that. | 01:05:40 | |
Test one of these. | 01:05:44 | |
See. Sounds great. And then. | 01:05:46 | |
It doesn't turn out to be so plain. | 01:05:50 | |
Query. So I think it's if we can do a couple. | 01:05:53 | |
And look at them and get a feeling for if they've been beneficial then we can have a broader. | 01:05:57 | |
You know, future council can have a broader discussion about how they will fund it. | 01:06:03 | |
Have a naming right where there was. | 01:06:07 | |
Wells Fargo. | 01:06:11 | |
New York and stuff like that all the time. | 01:06:18 | |
I sat through very painful conversations about this topic in other city capitals. So. | 01:06:31 | |
Not worth it, unless it was. | 01:06:37 | |
I imagine it might be painful here too. | 01:06:40 | |
Just real quickly, a couple other things. We've got two playground surfaces, one here City Park and one at commutes. And how do | 01:06:47 | |
you recommend that they be sealed biannually every two years? This one was put in two years ago. We sealed the one that commutes | 01:06:53 | |
in two years ago, so. | 01:07:00 | |
It's not cheap, so it's about $35,000 to rubber surfaces, but. | 01:07:07 | |
It's the difference of having them last five years versus 15 or more years, yeah. | 01:07:16 | |
It definitely is. | 01:07:24 | |
This is one that in your budget document. I went with a low number and I did not include both parks. | 01:07:26 | |
So if you're supportive of this, this is one that I would increase before you adopt. | 01:07:34 | |
I think that this makes sense, yeah, for sure. | 01:07:42 | |
We work toward giving in alternating years, so that on both well. | 01:07:47 | |
Early or one to go three years. | 01:07:53 | |
Well, since we are doing it together, there's a $2300 discount. So there is a little bit. It's still the same. | 01:08:03 | |
Does it? How long does it shut the playground down for I? | 01:08:13 | |
A full day if they do the full surface in a day. | 01:08:17 | |
It's like 24 hours. | 01:08:22 | |
I think they did the one in canoes in two days last. | 01:08:27 | |
Two years ago, so. | 01:08:30 | |
I think they did half of the surface. | 01:08:33 | |
1/2 And then they slapped it. | 01:08:37 | |
I actually call brings up a good point. It's probably too late to do it before school gets outfit. Can we wait until like school | 01:08:40 | |
goes back in? Well, there's two things. They do need to do it with certain temperatures. They like the hotter temperatures. And | 01:08:46 | |
then if we approve this in July 1st, we wouldn't. | 01:08:51 | |
Do it until July well as the school starts August 12th. | 01:08:58 | |
So we can maybe wait till the end of August. | 01:09:02 | |
Really early. | 01:09:11 | |
August 12th, August 12th. August 12th. Wow Yeah, the school ends May 24th. So. | 01:09:13 | |
Still be plenty hot and warm and wonderful when they're back at school, yes. | 01:09:21 | |
So with that said, UM. | 01:09:30 | |
Let's just let me breakdown all the details of pages 90 through 112, I think. | 01:09:33 | |
Stop here and answer your questions. | 01:09:41 | |
So your biggest challenge still sounds like. | 01:09:47 | |
Yes. | 01:09:51 | |
I would just stay here. A lot of things like for example the ceiling of these. | 01:09:55 | |
I'm very much of an opinion. | 01:09:58 | |
To convey the sound of that, any access to the company has fought off on if we're going to own it, we gotta keep it up. Yeah, and | 01:10:01 | |
it's super. It's actually, it's irresponsible. | 01:10:05 | |
We want to start. | 01:10:14 | |
Was that it for your whole presentation? Well, I told you. | 01:10:21 | |
There was one. I'm trying to find it now, OK? | 01:10:28 | |
I want to talk to you about $400,000 entry for City Hall Park or something. | 01:10:33 | |
But the top of page 102. | 01:10:41 | |
You got it right, You have it right. | 01:10:45 | |
Let me get my wife on the phone. | 01:10:50 | |
What is that Gina? | 01:10:56 | |
So Jared, I talked about that. We think that is a carryover number from last year. That's when we can look at it a little more | 01:10:59 | |
closely. | 01:11:03 | |
Where are we going to resurface the parking lot and restrike the parking lot last year? So what we want to do, it was going to be | 01:11:09 | |
this year. Well, this spring what we want to actually do is just. | 01:11:15 | |
That into the. | 01:11:23 | |
Helping. | 01:11:25 | |
The remodel work and the seismic upgrade, is there going to be redoing some of this, potentially the South parking lot for that | 01:11:28 | |
vegetable if that's included in the work? | 01:11:33 | |
That whole slope is going to have a chance, so we decided it could wait another year. | 01:11:41 | |
So this is a number that could change. | 01:11:47 | |
It looks like we we are past sending has been on statements of our HVAC system in this line item and which is in there we have a | 01:11:51 | |
better. We spent about $100,000 for the last couple. | 01:11:59 | |
So we're likely to be able to adjust that number downward and then adjust the accessibility services. | 01:12:10 | |
So I've asked the consultant to include replacement of all the HVAC units. | 01:12:24 | |
The City Hall side and then leave the ones in the police precinct alone because they can freeze or. | 01:12:32 | |
Yeah. | 01:12:41 | |
We would look at that a little closer, but just because we would be removing much of the ceiling here on our end, we would get in, | 01:12:52 | |
do that work. That's not the case on the release side. So I don't know if it's really necessary to go in and tear everything up. | 01:13:01 | |
Yeah, so. | 01:13:10 | |
That's what we're planning at this moment. | 01:13:12 | |
And so I think Dwight had presented those as potential. | 01:13:16 | |
Yeah, there is a one. | 01:13:22 | |
3/4 of a million to do. | 01:13:27 | |
Probably individual thermostat control switch is something we'd want to do. | 01:13:30 | |
Is that what we're talking about Mike, so? | 01:13:37 | |
We would probably keep the thermostats the same. So like say our executive area, there's like 3 thermostats or even 4. | 01:13:39 | |
Each one of those has a heat pump and ceiling above that thermostat. | 01:13:48 | |
And those heat pumps are? | 01:13:53 | |
17 years old. | 01:13:57 | |
And so they've reached the end of their lifespan. They've got old refrigerant R22. | 01:13:59 | |
Umm, so we would expect that. | 01:14:06 | |
They would start failing. We had like one or two that's failed that's been replaced. | 01:14:10 | |
Umm, so yeah, let's we would probably. | 01:14:16 | |
Just replace the mall because you can get a better discount if you buy, say, 20. | 01:14:21 | |
Versus one at a time. Installation is just a lot less expensive if you install 20 versus 1. | 01:14:27 | |
Yeah, I know that was one of the big. | 01:14:37 | |
Like add-ons, Yes. And we think each one will cost about 30,000. So it's about 3/4 of $1,000,000. If you wanted to do that, which | 01:14:40 | |
if you're going to do this, that's when you should do it, yeah. | 01:14:46 | |
For the whole building store, yes. | 01:14:53 | |
Arif is that it. | 01:14:57 | |
Can you have questions? I would like if we've got. | 01:15:00 | |
Time, which we do. Would you mind? Gina and I don't know if you're going to go through this, but. | 01:15:05 | |
If this part of your presentation, but I wouldn't mind the Council having. | 01:15:09 | |
An idea of what our fund balance position is. I know that's in your budget here. | 01:15:14 | |
But I think it's going to be really important for the council to understand. | 01:15:20 | |
Where the general fund fund balance sits and where the capital fund fund balance sits. | 01:15:25 | |
In terms of what's available to spend, yeah, so general fund fund balance and we can talk about this in more detail. On the | 01:15:31 | |
capital side, it's something I'd love to talk with questions about before we get into that side because I think some of it is | 01:15:40 | |
related to our bonds. I don't want to provide the council with information that that we have to correct. | 01:15:49 | |
But the general fund number I feel really good about talking about. | 01:15:58 | |
And that is the front page 30. | 01:16:04 | |
Yes. | 01:16:09 | |
We have our fund balance the end of fiscal 23 at 7.6. | 01:16:12 | |
$1,000,000. | 01:16:20 | |
So. | 01:16:22 | |
And of that amount, 1.8 is restricted. That is our ARPA, our remaining Artha allocation. | 01:16:24 | |
And. | 01:16:35 | |
I think the councils previous direction was to look at. | 01:16:37 | |
Using that money on. | 01:16:44 | |
Per project like. | 01:16:46 | |
So that could go into that. | 01:16:49 | |
Even though it's restricted, that can go into the spring lane. | 01:16:52 | |
So that leads you with five. So if you take that, just keep in your mind you've got 1.8 going into spring lane. | 01:16:58 | |
In some kind of phasing that leaves you 5.8. My thinking is that of that $5.8 million of fund balance. | 01:17:06 | |
The Council? Always. | 01:17:15 | |
We've kind of had this target that we don't want to go below 20% even though the legislative floor is 5%. | 01:17:18 | |
We've always kind of wanted to make sure we don't go below 20% to give us ourselves plenty of. | 01:17:25 | |
Of money in case of emergency which so is that 5%. | 01:17:32 | |
Computer after $22 million budget. | 01:17:37 | |
It is. It's off of. | 01:17:40 | |
So let's say that's $21 million. | 01:17:45 | |
If you're going for 20%, probably want to keep around just. | 01:17:51 | |
Under $5 million. | 01:17:56 | |
Said any of the other. | 01:17:59 | |
Side that you've got a healthy fund balance, and if you don't mind, I'd love to talk about that next week rather than this week. | 01:18:05 | |
Yeah, I mean the. | 01:18:13 | |
The number I was looking at there is that $12.8 million number, which is probably the one you want to dig into. | 01:18:16 | |
But. | 01:18:23 | |
My my thinking is that. | 01:18:24 | |
Unless I completely out to lunch. | 01:18:27 | |
That. | 01:18:31 | |
You would be able to probably do one of these projects out of fund balance about going out to a revenue source. | 01:18:32 | |
One of the projects being City Hall. They're both at. | 01:18:40 | |
They're both. | 01:18:43 | |
$10 million projects, right? | 01:18:45 | |
So you could probably do one. | 01:18:47 | |
With the fund balance. | 01:18:51 | |
Depending on how much you want to leave in the capital project. | 01:18:53 | |
And I think that will depend on how you want to phase each of these. | 01:18:57 | |
Projects and what other potential revenue sources might be available to us. And I'll give you one example of something we're | 01:19:01 | |
looking at on the remodel of this building. | 01:19:06 | |
We're thinking and Holly and Megan are working on a application for track funding, track funding. | 01:19:14 | |
For the entrance portion. | 01:19:21 | |
Into the big Cottonwood room. We think that would be a great application because it is a place, it's an arts and culture venue and | 01:19:25 | |
that's not it. Although we have been, we've received a lot of track funding over the last several years. We haven't received it in | 01:19:33 | |
the arts and culture category, so we think that might be a good application. | 01:19:41 | |
Yeah. And there I think there are the opportunities, although you said something about. | 01:19:49 | |
When we met with credit school district about the fact that we're leasing the ground from them that May. | 01:19:55 | |
Foreclosed some opportunities for funding because we don't own the property. That's right. So and I'll give you a specific | 01:20:02 | |
example, there will be a ZAP reauthorization. | 01:20:09 | |
Next year. | 01:20:20 | |
And so we were trying to talk about how to position our Streamlined project. We're funded from that on. | 01:20:21 | |
Our conversations with County indicated that it would be a tough, it would be tough. | 01:20:29 | |
Could the school district platform? | 01:20:38 | |
Everyone of their properties. | 01:20:40 | |
To a park. | 01:20:41 | |
Partner with us, we're talking about that and then be the primary applicant. Are you willing to partner with us on some of these | 01:20:43 | |
applications? | 01:20:46 | |
It seems to me like the way this is going to go. | 01:20:51 | |
Is you're really not going to be able to phase this one. | 01:20:55 | |
Right. I think this will be tough. There are pieces of it that we might be able to build out, but I think this one would be a lot | 01:21:00 | |
tougher. | 01:21:04 | |
The cost of exponentially. | 01:21:08 | |
But we've got an application with earmark and we've got maybe the so anything we can get. | 01:21:12 | |
To help offset the cost, it's going to be helpful because it's money that we could eventually shift over to spring Lane, but | 01:21:19 | |
unless, unless the council. | 01:21:23 | |
Is considering. | 01:21:29 | |
Another revenue source? | 01:21:30 | |
Spring Lane is most definitely going to have to be phased. | 01:21:33 | |
I think we, I think we everyone. | 01:21:37 | |
Like Todd was saying, he thinks this has got to be the priority. The life safety issues here have to be a priority and then spring | 01:21:41 | |
lane will just the nature will do the best we can. We'll go after all the pops of money. We can, we'll budget money it, but it's | 01:21:47 | |
probably going to be a five year phasing project. | 01:21:53 | |
So guys, maybe. | 01:22:00 | |
What are the after we use the fund balance and the capital fund, What are the ways that we replenish those funds? | 01:22:03 | |
How much do we end up putting in those on average every year? So the last several years we have made a regular transfer and then. | 01:22:13 | |
Council policy also says that we can transfer surplus beyond the. | 01:22:25 | |
The statutory limitation on general fund. | 01:22:34 | |
Fund balance we can transfer surplus they have. | 01:22:39 | |
So that's what we're doing. | 01:22:42 | |
And it's really again that sales tax growth that has fueled the growth of the capital. | 01:22:44 | |
We have. Is there a way to see like over the past three or four years, what we've put into both of those? So kind of like how fast | 01:22:49 | |
we can replenish these funds after we suspend is really what I'm trying to see. Yeah, I mean, I can share with you what we have, | 01:22:55 | |
what that has looked like the last several years. I just wouldn't expect it to continue at the same rate. | 01:23:02 | |
Are you thinking, Gina, that we don't have to budget right now, but. | 01:23:13 | |
From a timing standpoint? | 01:23:19 | |
The 1.785. | 01:23:22 | |
Of our When is our deadline on that? We have to. We have to. | 01:23:26 | |
Allocate those funds by the end of this year and then extend them by October 20 or December 26th. | 01:23:32 | |
And what's the allocation vehicle? I think it would be a budget amendment. So we what we may want to just make a budget of this | 01:23:39 | |
year to move it to the capital improvement. | 01:23:45 | |
Fund for the park. | 01:23:51 | |
Yeah, I mean, right now it's restricted for the park. I think we'd want to create a budget for it, basically. | 01:23:53 | |
Should we go forward with this, we can add a $2,000,000 piece in the budget. | 01:24:05 | |
For whatever we do it for space because we've got to spend that 1.785 anyway. So that's a pretty good chunk right under The Cave, | 01:24:11 | |
right, to maybe do The Walking, walking traffic around. Yeah. If we know that that's roughly what we have for the phase one, is | 01:24:17 | |
that worth it to tell MHCN like this is roughly what we're thinking for phase one, what do you recommend being that first phase | 01:24:23 | |
because we kind of talked to them, that's what we were wanting to do. But at least at that point, I don't think we had any numbers | 01:24:29 | |
as far as. | 01:24:35 | |
What we thought we could spend, yeah, we meet with them on a regular year and so we can have that conversation, the other | 01:24:41 | |
potential and this is something we need to. | 01:24:46 | |
Explore a little more carefully, but we have. | 01:24:53 | |
Some art of funds in stormwater that. | 01:24:56 | |
We might be able to. | 01:25:00 | |
I apologize, but. | 01:25:05 | |
The on the famous system, it was mentioned before, but is there's nothing with this project here that those are funds could | 01:25:12 | |
qualify for? | 01:25:16 | |
I mean, that's a great question. When we talked about it before, we weren't really. | 01:25:20 | |
This project. | 01:25:27 | |
There's a ton of arbitrage, and that's something I could take a closer look at. The reason I say that is because if we could, | 01:25:31 | |
we're gonna send this sooner. And then the other thing is, I hate to dump 2,000,000 bucks into spring land. | 01:25:37 | |
And. | 01:25:45 | |
With so many grand, you know. | 01:25:46 | |
Qualifications that we cost share and things like that. | 01:25:49 | |
Going to be and if we're going to phase it anyways, I'd like to. | 01:25:52 | |
I agree. I just was presuming that Arco was not available for here because I agree this is the priority. | 01:25:57 | |
But it's not we got to spend it, not here then decision here is going to be. | 01:26:05 | |
You know how you pull the trigger and when you pull the trigger. | 01:26:13 | |
I'm moving. | 01:26:16 | |
Yeah, that's going to be a big deal. | 01:26:19 | |
Well. | 01:26:23 | |
At what point have we talked about that? | 01:26:26 | |
Off the situation and. | 01:26:29 | |
Does anyone have that discussion on the relocation? I mean, it's such a unique opportunity that, you know, almost better off to | 01:26:35 | |
sucking down the rent. | 01:26:41 | |
Securing it, you know what I'm saying? | 01:26:48 | |
And hustling really right. | 01:26:51 | |
We can talk about that offline, but. | 01:26:57 | |
I mean, if we're committed to doing this, we're going to do it. | 01:27:00 | |
I don't want to, but I think it's the sort of thing to do. | 01:27:04 | |
But it's one of those things where you'll be really, really glad you. | 01:27:10 | |
That probably the piece that will require the most sort of public education engagement justification, operational inflation, 50% | 01:27:15 | |
nothing but the big project that's probably the one that's going to require that. | 01:27:22 | |
The public buying. | 01:27:29 | |
I think you're right. We have a meeting set next week to start. | 01:27:31 | |
Strategy around that. | 01:27:35 | |
And position like yeah, the alternative is to $40 million Creek. | 01:27:38 | |
I do have an update. | 01:27:56 | |
Creek runoff. | 01:28:00 | |
Yes. | 01:28:02 | |
Yeah, I got a presentation from the county, today's Salt Lake County Flood Control. They monitor the snow tell sites and the | 01:28:05 | |
runoff and the prediction is? | 01:28:10 | |
No concerns about flooding. Nothing like last year. | 01:28:17 | |
And the reservoirs are full. | 01:28:24 | |
Worth pretty full, but runoff is coming up as. | 01:28:25 | |
Could expect, and there's no race for concern. | 01:28:33 | |
And it's 130% or so normal? | 01:28:41 | |
About yeah. | 01:28:45 | |
Does that include the three feet they got yesterday support? | 01:28:47 | |
But their data was as accurate as of yesterday, so it included the weekend. | 01:28:55 | |
Precipitation | 01:29:03 | |
People are seeing deep powder. | 01:29:05 | |
Hey, before we get out of here too, just a reminder to everybody that you know as you're going, as you're going through this, if | 01:29:09 | |
you've got questions like on Jared, so freaked out. And if you're going through some of the detail and you want some clarity or if | 01:29:16 | |
you want to link up with Gina for a private session, it's always asked if you can partner with somebody. | 01:29:23 | |
Had respect for her time. If you want to get with her and Christian to go through stuff, or if you just want to go through the | 01:29:30 | |
whole budget over a couple hour period, make sure your questions are answered. Feel free to do it. | 01:29:36 | |
But this is like. | 01:29:43 | |
A lot of detail compared to what we used to get five or six years ago. | 01:29:45 | |
Yeah, I mean, when Randy used to do it, it was like. | 01:29:51 | |
Excel spreadsheet that was. | 01:29:55 | |
Not long ago. | 01:29:58 | |
Doesn't take long to allocate $100,000. You know, we got 150,000 for the capital project fund. | 01:30:01 | |
How do you like this? | 01:30:13 | |
Move to adjourn. | 01:30:21 | |
Aye, aye. | 01:30:37 |
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We'll call the meeting to order. | 00:00:01 | |
#1 welcome. | 00:00:06 | |
I feel very welcome. | 00:00:08 | |
I apologize for missing last week. I assume it was. | 00:00:14 | |
It was a budget. | 00:00:18 | |
We'll start talking about it next week. | 00:00:21 | |
And that begins with the overview. So I'll just turn it over to Gene and we'll start. This is the first time, I think 3. | 00:00:25 | |
We'll basically have three work sessions today, next week and then. | 00:00:33 | |
We'll have a public hearing on the six foot. We'll also go into work session again and just usually if there's any loose ends we | 00:00:39 | |
need to type before we. | 00:00:43 | |
Is this the set 6? | 00:00:51 | |
So voted on the 13th and that would be. | 00:00:54 | |
You have like to you can stretch it out another meeting. | 00:01:00 | |
But I'm not Ant hesitating to do that. | 00:01:06 | |
Oh. | 00:01:12 | |
All right, so I hope we've all had a chance at least. | 00:01:16 | |
Overlook the budget document that you received last week. | 00:01:20 | |
We're going to spend some time just looking at some high level numbers and explanations and then. | 00:01:25 | |
Break it down. | 00:01:33 | |
Into presentations that in the next three weeks, starting with Sarah this evening. | 00:01:36 | |
So overall the budget that you received, the tentative budget for all funds is about $44 million? | 00:01:41 | |
Get too attached to that number and and generally we just talk about this. | 00:01:51 | |
A lot of sources with the exception of the storm water fund which is has its own source of revenue and the RDA, many of the other | 00:01:59 | |
funds, capital projects and that sort of an art really receive as revenue money from the general fund. So that $44 million double | 00:02:07 | |
count dollars. | 00:02:14 | |
Which is why I don't spend too much time for talking about it. | 00:02:24 | |
And we're going to focus this evening on the general fund. So that that's where what I want to look at. | 00:02:29 | |
And this this chart looks at the revenue sources into the general fund over time. | 00:02:37 | |
If this this picture would be pretty consistent if we went back another decade. | 00:02:46 | |
Taxes, property tax and sales tax are about 80% of revenue into the general fund. | 00:02:52 | |
We receive. | 00:03:01 | |
About 8% of general funds dollars from intergovernmental sources, that's primarily our Class C or gas tax, allocation of your tax | 00:03:03 | |
and some other revenue sharing opportunity. | 00:03:09 | |
About 8%. | 00:03:17 | |
Pretty consistent numbers for business licenses and building permits over. | 00:03:21 | |
Time at about 4%. | 00:03:26 | |
Thank you. | 00:03:34 | |
Justice Court revenue again at about 4%. | 00:03:36 | |
And then some small dollar charges for services. | 00:03:40 | |
Road cuts. | 00:03:45 | |
That sort of thing. | 00:03:47 | |
On the expense side, looking at the general fund fire department, I don't think this chart is going to surprise any of you. Police | 00:03:57 | |
is how largest share of our general fund budget is about 35% and fired about 14%. So between the two public safety. | 00:04:08 | |
Contracts that account for about 50% of our general fund budget. | 00:04:20 | |
Police and fire participants. Those are the 2 biggies. | 00:04:29 | |
Public service is that ratio of like 2 1/2 to one. | 00:04:34 | |
Leased fire has it always been that big a gap or is police is really proud I would if I just off the top of my head I think fire | 00:04:39 | |
used to be closer to 17% so that the public services I think was it. | 00:04:48 | |
Used to be at the 14 and fire was 17. | 00:04:57 | |
I think fire has grown slower overtime for a variety of reasons, leases growing quicker, public services. | 00:05:03 | |
Right now, does that include? It does include everything that Jared doing, but the larger. | 00:05:13 | |
In the general fund, the largest component is really that contract. | 00:05:22 | |
Services. So those are the three big areas. Not departmental is. | 00:05:31 | |
It's a constructed department and really includes 2 large functions that are transferred to the capital project fund and are | 00:05:38 | |
transferred to debt service fund. | 00:05:44 | |
That's where those two items both are debt service payments and how we pay for capital projects if we don't have a bond. | 00:05:51 | |
Are in that non departmental category. We also have a few other smaller items. | 00:06:02 | |
You'll see happy, healthy holidays expenses. Our 4th of July celebration is there. We'll talk about that one night that that's the | 00:06:12 | |
kind of the category of expenses you'll see there. | 00:06:17 | |
Other than that, these expenses again were made pretty consistent over time. Community and economic development about 5%, justice | 00:06:24 | |
Court of about 5%. Administration is actually growing a little this year and we'll talk about the reasons for that. | 00:06:32 | |
Another evening. | 00:06:42 | |
That's about the city attorney's budget and the city. | 00:06:44 | |
Looking at the budget from the general fund a different way. | 00:06:54 | |
High expense type. This really highlights our model of providing services and. | 00:06:58 | |
You see that when you look at how we spend money by type. So about 70% of the money that we send out of the general fund is going | 00:07:07 | |
to be charged for service. Police, fire, public works. | 00:07:14 | |
City Attorney. | 00:07:22 | |
And about. | 00:07:24 | |
Less than 15% is actually for staff in primarily in this building that are providing direct services. | 00:07:26 | |
This half of the building, that's right. | 00:07:36 | |
About 11 percent is of our overall budget is in those contributions and transfers to other funds that are references. | 00:07:42 | |
Either transferring to the Arts Council. | 00:07:50 | |
Fund or to get service capital projects. | 00:07:54 | |
A little less than 5% on operations engagement. | 00:07:59 | |
Paper stationary and some non capital improvements to the. | 00:08:05 | |
Enough other expenses. | 00:08:12 | |
But far and away our largest. | 00:08:14 | |
Type of expenses or those charges from services from other agencies. | 00:08:17 | |
So just for perspective, I looked at a couple of other cities to show you what that pie would look like. | 00:08:26 | |
Depending on how services are provided. So in West Jordan that is a pretty traditional. | 00:08:34 | |
City and then they provided police and fire services. | 00:08:42 | |
70% of their expenses in the general fund for personnel. | 00:08:46 | |
25% or for operational costs? | 00:08:53 | |
Sandy, this is a different model. | 00:08:58 | |
But a lot of their services also provided directly in about half of their expenses. | 00:09:02 | |
Personnel related so. | 00:09:09 | |
Were really different in that respect from a lot of other communities. | 00:09:11 | |
And Sandy is like. | 00:09:15 | |
2 1/2 times outside, they're bigger than that, or more. Three or three times and one of those. | 00:09:17 | |
The web Jordan is also a first classity. I think they're. | 00:09:22 | |
Shell. | 00:09:27 | |
Most of those. | 00:09:29 | |
Other expenses are essentially our police and fire, right? So that ends up being personnel. | 00:09:31 | |
Really, it's just how you spend the dollars. That's right. And that would be an interesting exercise at some point. | 00:09:37 | |
Looking at those contracts, if you if we took those personnel services part of those budget. | 00:09:50 | |
How that would look? | 00:09:56 | |
It does mean that you as a council have less control of this person dollars. That either happens in the case of public works at | 00:09:58 | |
the County Council level or at the USA board or. | 00:10:04 | |
So looking at that 14%? | 00:10:16 | |
And really down into our own personal costs. | 00:10:19 | |
So we said about 3.5 million or will in fiscal. | 00:10:23 | |
About 65% of our costs are related to wages. | 00:10:31 | |
Salary and 30% of benefits. | 00:10:38 | |
I'm just going to point out here that that means we're providing a very rich benefit package for our employees. | 00:10:43 | |
Our health insurance, for example, we pay 90% of the premium for single or double or family, whatever an employee selects. | 00:10:50 | |
We have a variety of. | 00:11:02 | |
Retirement system programs and we also provide a match that people. | 00:11:05 | |
Are making their own contribution to. | 00:11:10 | |
So. | 00:11:17 | |
Offer a 401K match. | 00:11:19 | |
It used to be very, very common. I think it no longer as common. | 00:11:21 | |
So no match for this soft performant care? Are they providing it with a different type of? | 00:11:30 | |
So most cities participate in URS. They think and I think what's rare is the richness of our. | 00:11:35 | |
So right now the policies that the council adopted that it's up to 5%, little match on percentage. | 00:11:47 | |
That's really one for one for one, yeah. | 00:11:57 | |
I think that's really meant to encourage. | 00:12:02 | |
Our staff to save. | 00:12:06 | |
I think of less than half of our staff. | 00:12:09 | |
Is it a benefit we realized the benefit from? | 00:12:18 | |
In your view like. | 00:12:22 | |
Do employees? | 00:12:25 | |
The tipping point on them? | 00:12:27 | |
Or is it just? | 00:12:32 | |
Something they did. I mean, that's a great question and that's something we can ask. | 00:12:33 | |
It's hard for me to answer. | 00:12:39 | |
Last year. | 00:12:43 | |
So I. | 00:12:47 | |
I don't know. I I would like to disagree with you. | 00:12:49 | |
If you feel comfortable sharing, yeah. | 00:12:54 | |
I think it's great. | 00:12:58 | |
Oh, sorry. | 00:12:59 | |
Holiday. | 00:13:06 | |
You would. I noticed that. Calculate that height to your package. That was just me though. | 00:13:12 | |
Yeah, it probably depends on the employees do like a direct level position probably. | 00:13:21 | |
Was more likely to do a 4018. | 00:13:26 | |
So our personal costs reflect 1 vacancy, which is. | 00:13:40 | |
Number of years. | 00:13:49 | |
We have also included in the tentative budget a request for one new position, which is a parks and maintenance worker position. | 00:13:56 | |
Anticipating a change in maintenance. | 00:14:06 | |
Around this road insight so. | 00:14:11 | |
The $68,000 that you see here is the reflection of. | 00:14:15 | |
More anticipated POS. | 00:14:25 | |
In an ideal world, we would be able to hire from one of our seasonal staff members. | 00:14:28 | |
But that that would be the idea. | 00:14:42 | |
You see a small dollar, about $33,000 included in additional pay. That's a placeholder for things like overtime. There are a | 00:14:45 | |
couple of physicians where we provide a language. | 00:14:52 | |
Adjustment in. | 00:15:00 | |
For people to use their language skills as part of their job, that's primarily the justice. | 00:15:04 | |
So. | 00:15:12 | |
Absolutely and. | 00:15:14 | |
So we think that spring is. | 00:15:21 | |
November, kind of. | 00:15:24 | |
So because we haven't negotiated with school district, I'm not sure at what point they would assume us taking over maintenance. | 00:15:27 | |
This is this replacement to see if that happens. | 00:15:36 | |
Placeholder for November through June and then it would and then it would increase increase the full FDE position. That's right. | 00:15:41 | |
And so this assumes this is a position is a good illustration of. | 00:15:49 | |
The richness of our benefits, because I think. | 00:15:59 | |
I included a position that's maybe $22.00 an hour. | 00:16:03 | |
But if someone is taking health insurance? | 00:16:08 | |
That almost double S the cost of the. | 00:16:12 | |
Sorry, the soup that they would be taking up. | 00:16:17 | |
Package it could need it. | 00:16:22 | |
This slide just breaks out that same personnel cost looking at. | 00:16:36 | |
Staff and elections. | 00:16:42 | |
At this table, 90% of our our percent costs are related to staff. | 00:16:45 | |
If that elected officials members. | 00:16:54 | |
Seems time to you. | 00:16:56 | |
A lot of that is. | 00:16:59 | |
Our Justice court judges. | 00:17:02 | |
Full time salary and. | 00:17:07 | |
Is the Planning Commission compensated? | 00:17:12 | |
They are, and I think that. | 00:17:14 | |
$50 a meeting. | 00:17:18 | |
I think 45, yeah. | 00:17:22 | |
In terms of major personnel changes that you will see in the budget. | 00:17:31 | |
Other adjustments. Last year we had budgeted to include GIS Manager. | 00:17:43 | |
And for that $36,000 represented I think 3 months of. | 00:17:51 | |
Salary benefits. | 00:17:59 | |
Based on the skills of people we have hired in both public services and CD, we're not going to hire that position. So the fact | 00:18:01 | |
that. | 00:18:05 | |
How we had budgeted for positions and what people are either actually being paid or what their benefit package looks. | 00:18:17 | |
That's about $61,000 in savings. | 00:18:26 | |
Increased by almost 5% this year. | 00:18:31 | |
Added to the budget. | 00:18:35 | |
Changed for most. | 00:18:38 | |
The cost of the city has actually. | 00:18:42 | |
Down this year. So that's savings of about 20,000. | 00:18:44 | |
Cancel each other out. | 00:18:51 | |
We have some market adjustments and expected promotions included in the. | 00:18:53 | |
About $32,000 and then. | 00:18:58 | |
To visit the major personnel changes. | 00:19:07 | |
Other changes that we'll be talking about. | 00:19:12 | |
Include, no surprise, your identity. | 00:19:17 | |
Change for police? | 00:19:21 | |
An increase of how I'm trying. | 00:19:26 | |
675 or close to 300,000 for USA. | 00:19:29 | |
185,000. | 00:19:36 | |
So then we have a 250 increase for or I'm sorry, A-150 increase for Republican? | 00:19:48 | |
So those are. | 00:19:59 | |
Big expense changes we'll be talking about over the next few months. | 00:20:00 | |
Now we'll go into more depth in terms of our revenue. | 00:20:17 | |
Just another look at that same. | 00:20:28 | |
General fund revenue Sources. | 00:20:31 | |
In municipal finance. | 00:20:51 | |
One of the things we try to look at is how our revenue is split. | 00:20:56 | |
Between property tax and tax and other. | 00:21:04 | |
A lot of people refer to this as a three legged. | 00:21:09 | |
School with India that you want to keep them dropped in the heat. | 00:21:12 | |
In our case, looking forward to just little 25, property tax would be about 40 percent, 39% of our general fund revenue, sales tax | 00:21:17 | |
about 30. | 00:21:23 | |
And other sources of that funding. | 00:21:29 | |
To me, this is a really healthy mix of revenue sources, property tax being the most stable revenue source. The wing is, I think | 00:21:32 | |
we've all tracked that before. The way our property tax truth and taxation is designed, it's our revenue steady over time. | 00:21:42 | |
So that is. | 00:21:52 | |
In good times, we're not receiving a windfall from changes in property. | 00:21:55 | |
Valuations, in the bad times we're also not being. | 00:22:02 | |
Our our revenue states. | 00:22:06 | |
Consistent. | 00:22:09 | |
And that really helps us. | 00:22:10 | |
Low inflation. | 00:22:19 | |
That's true. | 00:22:22 | |
Sales tax. | 00:22:24 | |
Is a very volatile source of revenue and so. | 00:22:25 | |
If if we were to look at this chart and sales tax. | 00:22:31 | |
40 or more percent. | 00:22:35 | |
That's when I personally would start to get a little worried just because there is such volatility that could change and. | 00:22:39 | |
Having looked at that, the extent side of our budget there is. | 00:22:49 | |
It's difficult for us to adjust given the fact that so much. | 00:22:55 | |
Of our budget is in this. | 00:23:00 | |
So to me this is a really stable. | 00:23:04 | |
Yeah. Well, I would just say in other cities I've worked for sales taxes in a way larger portion of our revenue. And it's a major | 00:23:14 | |
concern just because I actually turned one of our budget meetings with our council. I just illustrated the fact about how | 00:23:21 | |
situations like 2008 can impact the city's revenue. And in 2008, the sales tax hit significantly in property tax stays the same as | 00:23:27 | |
it doesn't compensate it also if that drop happens early options. | 00:23:34 | |
Or. | 00:23:44 | |
So that's really just a reflection of. | 00:23:49 | |
Well, although this is with the with the new. | 00:23:54 | |
It's not just. | 00:23:57 | |
Commercial locations here, but it is. | 00:23:59 | |
The share that we get. | 00:24:01 | |
What did this look like before that allows like 20? | 00:24:04 | |
How long has that been in place? So 21 is when we did our first part. | 00:24:09 | |
Increase. So this I think I mean I mean to where to where the property tax. | 00:24:14 | |
Track the location like it with online shows and things like that. | 00:24:19 | |
And so that changed. I mean, I know that we've seen the big surge in sales access now kind of. | 00:24:26 | |
Level out, right? | 00:24:31 | |
But was it back in 19, was it a comparatively small portion of our budget or I mean sales tax has been the lowest we dipped was | 00:24:33 | |
28%? | 00:24:39 | |
But you know we did two things almost it simultaneously where we started to realize more sales tax and they also approved. | 00:24:47 | |
So that's something I can get for you, but both things change. | 00:24:59 | |
I would be. I don't know if anybody else would be interested, but. | 00:25:05 | |
Part of the expense high and the revenue pie that you had with work came from. | 00:25:11 | |
Would anybody be interested in going back? | 00:25:17 | |
Particular amount of time, How hard would it be to compare like? | 00:25:21 | |
I would be curious to see. | 00:25:26 | |
Ten years ago or 12 years or whatever it is. | 00:25:30 | |
What do those pies look like and what they look like now? | 00:25:33 | |
Because part of the reason we did, you know, might be interesting to look at that piece of pie too. | 00:25:39 | |
At the same time, and I would assume sales tax five would be smaller by percent, but also to see what's happened in that public | 00:25:45 | |
works piece because. | 00:25:50 | |
I'm hoping that that. | 00:25:55 | |
Is a lot bigger than it was. | 00:25:58 | |
10 or 12 years ago. | 00:26:00 | |
Which is kind of what drove that. And I can almost guarantee that, yeah. But it might, I mean. | 00:26:02 | |
What happened over the last whatever, whatever that I don't know. | 00:26:10 | |
We probably work. Does that change you at municipal contract sort of empty airline seat pricing versus small loaded? | 00:26:15 | |
Maybe like go back ten years or something. | 00:26:23 | |
Yeah, that would be really simple to do. | 00:26:26 | |
For you. | 00:26:30 | |
So. | 00:26:39 | |
A little deeper into revenue of, you know, we've talked about sales tax and what has happened over. | 00:26:40 | |
This last year where we have seen a stall of the growth that we were previously experiencing in sales tax starting from that | 00:26:48 | |
September October 2019 time period. | 00:26:56 | |
Really through. | 00:27:05 | |
The middle of 23. | 00:27:07 | |
So a few months ago, I think I told you we were a little nervous that we were going to come in under budget in terms of sales tax | 00:27:12 | |
this year. | 00:27:18 | |
We were about, I think $180,000 less than budget through January. | 00:27:25 | |
Our February numbers that we received at the end of April were actually. | 00:27:32 | |
Really great. About $200,000 over budget. | 00:27:38 | |
Made-up for the deficit? | 00:27:43 | |
Previously experienced exper. | 00:27:46 | |
What that means though is, is we're talking about before we're projecting sales tax flat for. | 00:27:55 | |
We'll see what happens from this point whether. | 00:28:05 | |
That month we saw in February continues or return. | 00:28:09 | |
So with that kind of picture, we can't rely on the way that we have the last couple of years on that growth and sales tax to. | 00:28:19 | |
She fondly. | 00:28:30 | |
Site increases open. | 00:28:32 | |
So I'm curious on if you don't mind. | 00:28:36 | |
We've got a few. | 00:28:40 | |
Years. It looks like the forecasting is fairly substantial. Dips right on the budget. Is that am I reading that right? Yeah, but | 00:28:42 | |
it never. | 00:28:47 | |
You know, actual, never reflecting that, do we have a tendency to? | 00:28:53 | |
Is there something that makes us think that we'd have a similar dip rather than holding more constant so the budget this is? | 00:28:56 | |
Kind of an awful graph because it's quarter, quarter or quarter. | 00:29:04 | |
And so some quarters are just we expect more So fourth quarter there's more sales tax than. | 00:29:10 | |
That's right. So December is generally a big month. So quarter two is, is usually much larger than you're going to see in the | 00:29:17 | |
first quarter. And so that's really it. It's the trend more than the ups and downs. | 00:29:25 | |
But the actuals here are the actuals. So we don't it doesn't we're paying for those little, those little is what we're saying. | 00:29:35 | |
Pardon me is Q4 those little flips in the in the actual you know? | 00:29:43 | |
Of the different years, right. So is that it just? | 00:29:51 | |
Perhaps of a beacon through kind of a thing, I guess in the actual supposed to. That's right, yeah. | 00:29:55 | |
And usually what what I have traditionally done is just taken the actuals and kind of smooth that. | 00:30:02 | |
Smooth them. | 00:30:10 | |
It doesn't look soothed in this graph. | 00:30:13 | |
Else to be like the. | 00:30:18 | |
Mid year sort of budget adjustments when we saw where. | 00:30:20 | |
Way ahead of the game, which would cause the budget line to be stockier. | 00:30:24 | |
And we haven't done any budget adjustments. | 00:30:28 | |
So that's really. | 00:30:32 | |
That reflects. | 00:30:35 | |
What we see. | 00:30:37 | |
At one time a year. | 00:30:39 | |
We haven't really adjusted it. | 00:30:42 | |
So because we don't expect growth in sales tax. | 00:30:51 | |
At the. | 00:30:56 | |
With your agreement, the tentative budget includes a 15% property tax. | 00:31:00 | |
That's more than we're planning to spend. | 00:31:09 | |
Fiscal 25. | 00:31:13 | |
Have a surplus in the general fund. | 00:31:16 | |
With the idea that then that means. | 00:31:20 | |
That would be next year without a tax. | 00:31:23 | |
That that's something the council can certainly. | 00:31:27 | |
The thought is we want to get out. | 00:31:35 | |
Four or five years before we do this again, I think that would be wise because. | 00:31:37 | |
I mean, just in terms of shared numbers, we're going to chew up. | 00:31:43 | |
900,000 of activists in the police and fire increases. | 00:31:46 | |
Fish, right? | 00:31:51 | |
Which is going to be dead on building. | 00:31:54 | |
But uniquely this year because of the, I hope so, but it will still have those. | 00:31:57 | |
By 6% normal increases those buckets. | 00:32:05 | |
And so 1.1 million, it's not going to get us a long way over a period of time. | 00:32:09 | |
But the idea with that $600,000 gap is that. | 00:32:15 | |
Rather than doing a big tax increase every single year that we can spread that out. | 00:32:19 | |
And is that 16,000 just go into the general fund then for? | 00:32:23 | |
Yeah, it just becomes part of fund balance. | 00:32:27 | |
How costly is going through text? | 00:32:35 | |
In terms of. | 00:32:38 | |
The actual cost not very significant. We have some. | 00:32:41 | |
Public notice requirements, certainly some public engagement that we're trying to do to help our residents under. | 00:32:46 | |
I don't need to do the massive thing. | 00:32:59 | |
This time that we did last. | 00:33:01 | |
We're still. | 00:33:08 | |
And talk about our approach. | 00:33:10 | |
Because it's not as large and because our residents. | 00:33:14 | |
Accustomed to the process that we're seeking. | 00:33:18 | |
No. | 00:33:27 | |
I don't know when the appropriate time would be, but I would like to talk about that frequency of how often the kind of | 00:33:29 | |
anticipated taxation just because. | 00:33:32 | |
Personally, I think anyways more of a fan of more frequently and more frequently and substantial. | 00:33:37 | |
Audi Grits become the goal. | 00:33:46 | |
Inflation is a real thing, so we have to, we have to take that into consideration and you know. | 00:33:49 | |
Unexpected or extraordinary circumstances like Mississippi this year, things like that, right? | 00:33:54 | |
We haven't decided doing it sooner. | 00:33:59 | |
But. | 00:34:02 | |
You know, quite honestly, I think with the ARPA funding and then with the growth in sales tax. | 00:34:04 | |
When they made that legislative change, we were generating a lot more revenue than we anticipated. We just didn't feel like it was | 00:34:13 | |
justified to do it. But now we're getting back to normal. | 00:34:18 | |
You know, normal growth curves that. | 00:34:25 | |
But yeah, that's a. | 00:34:28 | |
That's a discussion that the Council should have, I think. | 00:34:29 | |
Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. | 00:34:35 | |
A good target when you're going out and going for 910% increases. | 00:34:44 | |
Every three or four years or something like that. | 00:34:49 | |
Are we thinking that this would give us that three to four year? | 00:34:52 | |
I think you'd have to draw down fund balance. | 00:34:56 | |
Which I don't, we don't want to do that. But you could do that. I mean, yeah, so you don't need this. I mean, I think it really | 00:34:59 | |
depends on the size of the increase we see in those things. | 00:35:05 | |
Those contracts. | 00:35:12 | |
If it normal. | 00:35:15 | |
500,000. | 00:35:19 | |
They could probably get it and we see some growth in sales tax. | 00:35:21 | |
Another three years if we see. | 00:35:26 | |
Two big things between the park and this building. | 00:35:33 | |
Also. | 00:35:38 | |
Something of the capital, but it all comes from property. | 00:35:41 | |
How much money do you think you will see coming start command? | 00:35:45 | |
From Cotton Mall and When? | 00:35:49 | |
So we're seeing a. | 00:35:53 | |
Fair amount of increment, I think we broke into the $100,000 income. | 00:35:57 | |
Project area. | 00:36:05 | |
But. | 00:36:07 | |
Most of our property tax and most of the sales tax. | 00:36:08 | |
Through 2038. | 00:36:16 | |
And the percentage share on that is. | 00:36:27 | |
75% of. | 00:36:29 | |
And sales tax boy. | 00:36:37 | |
I think it's the same. | 00:36:41 | |
We do get. | 00:36:45 | |
Recollection half percent. | 00:36:47 | |
Admin fee. | 00:36:50 | |
So we'll get. | 00:36:53 | |
Something to help offset our? | 00:36:54 | |
Administrative. | 00:36:57 | |
Workload. | 00:36:59 | |
But we're not going to. | 00:37:04 | |
We still get the base. | 00:37:07 | |
Not much. | 00:37:13 | |
So we do have a few other small revenue changes that I just want to point out with the addition of a new. | 00:37:17 | |
Four, we're seeing a bump in. | 00:37:27 | |
And so the budget. | 00:37:34 | |
Suits of $50,000. | 00:37:37 | |
Increase. | 00:37:39 | |
With both that hotel and with short term rentals, whether or not they're legal, we can still tax them. | 00:37:42 | |
They're being taxed. Some platforms are collecting that tax, so. | 00:37:50 | |
We are seeing the benefit of additional interest in this tender budget. | 00:38:00 | |
And interest income, we're assuming an increase of $150,000 in our Class C distribution or some legislation last year, two years | 00:38:07 | |
ago. | 00:38:13 | |
That he had thought was going to cause that distribution to dip for a bit. What is that? So it's gas tax and there's space there | 00:38:20 | |
are certain. | 00:38:25 | |
Schedule of uses. We can use that for our Rd. maintenance snow removal. | 00:38:31 | |
That sort of thing. | 00:38:38 | |
Our expense, as always, greatly exceed what we receive. | 00:38:40 | |
Can you repeat what's happening with that again? | 00:38:48 | |
So it's increasing by $150.00. | 00:38:53 | |
It is not related to prices, it's there's a formula share. Last year the legislature changed how that was being allocated between | 00:38:58 | |
some. | 00:39:03 | |
Really is and other. | 00:39:09 | |
For a bit before increasing, we just haven't seen that. | 00:39:14 | |
There's a flat per gallon of percentage of price. | 00:39:19 | |
Gina, we thought we had that issue with. | 00:39:24 | |
The legislation. | 00:39:27 | |
Where was it 300,000 we were getting? | 00:39:29 | |
A year for 15 years and is that in that piece? It is in its. I'm not showing it as a change because I think we're in year four, | 00:39:33 | |
yeah. | 00:39:38 | |
And then we're seeing a change in the cost of our prosecutor. | 00:39:49 | |
As we have brought Mill Creek on, we weren't sure last year at this time what that volume of cases was going to be for prosecution | 00:39:55 | |
services. We are experiencing a change in the increase in the time prosecutors. | 00:40:03 | |
Awesome cases. He is asking for an increase, and at this point we're assuming more frequent pay for that. | 00:40:12 | |
Pinfall, so that's we're assuming it increases about 40. | 00:40:22 | |
So that's the revenue picture. | 00:40:29 | |
So let me just look at the cases that this. | 00:40:32 | |
Periodically. | 00:40:37 | |
So we have a formula or contract basically allocates using just that kind of methodology cases. | 00:40:39 | |
But we don't want our costs to increase because that was kind of a hard deal because we didn't want our costs to increase in | 00:40:47 | |
cotton pipes with certainly the same position. | 00:40:52 | |
So we're trying to figure out how to tie that increase just. | 00:40:59 | |
Have a look at a more complex form. | 00:41:07 | |
Sense is, they're pretty happy with. | 00:41:15 | |
The arrangement and I think it's costing them less money. | 00:41:18 | |
For sure it's passing less money I received. | 00:41:22 | |
So we'll meet again probably after the end of the fiscal year. | 00:41:29 | |
The overview and the revenue picture is level 5. | 00:41:50 | |
We're going to move ahead and unless there are other questions and taught public services. | 00:41:54 | |
Which has we're going to talk to storm water. | 00:42:02 | |
As part of public services capital projects and then the general fund portion. | 00:42:06 | |
So now I'm just going to turn it over to jerk. | 00:42:15 | |
Do you want me to stay here? | 00:42:18 | |
Unless you want to stand up and be the. | 00:42:24 | |
I was. | 00:42:28 | |
I was originally planning to drive down the Escalante. | 00:42:31 | |
But I moved my shirt back two weeks, so I doubled. My presentation went from 5 minutes to 10. | 00:42:35 | |
Where did we start with public services? | 00:42:45 | |
What page is that on? | 00:42:48 | |
90. | 00:42:52 | |
Yeah. | 00:42:54 | |
However, I'll just have you focus on the slide. | 00:42:56 | |
Okay. | 00:43:07 | |
Which looks like. | 00:43:11 | |
OK, just a quick review of our work chart. | 00:43:16 | |
Joe Bolton is our assistant city Engineer. | 00:43:25 | |
We've got Thomas Norbit, who is the crew chief. | 00:43:29 | |
Supervisor. | 00:43:33 | |
Josh Rayburn and George Stahl. | 00:43:35 | |
Work maintenance workers under. | 00:43:40 | |
Our umbrella here as well. In addition to that, we've got. | 00:43:45 | |
We're going to ramp up to three or four seasonal employees. We've got one. | 00:43:48 | |
Was, you know, kind of over where we have been trying to hire more. | 00:43:54 | |
Since mid February, we've got one. His name is Zane. | 00:43:59 | |
And after discussing with Gina about. | 00:44:05 | |
Struggles with hiring. | 00:44:10 | |
The seasonal wave. | 00:44:13 | |
Just as we bumped up. | 00:44:15 | |
Are paid from $15 to $16.00 for the position. | 00:44:17 | |
With a little bit of a bonus in there, so. | 00:44:21 | |
I've actually got a few more applications since we did that. | 00:44:24 | |
As soon as we get an application, it doesn't mean they really want the job. | 00:44:31 | |
But. | 00:44:40 | |
I know we're bringing. I guess this would be the right time. | 00:44:45 | |
To ask but. | 00:44:50 | |
I know we're bringing on somebody else. | 00:44:52 | |
I still have concerns. | 00:44:56 | |
About our ability to keep up with our. | 00:44:58 | |
Our city infrastructure. | 00:45:02 | |
Do we have enough? Do you think that's enough? | 00:45:04 | |
Or if we can hire them, are you thinking parks and that? | 00:45:08 | |
I. | 00:45:13 | |
With the 4th person full time, I think we should start with that. | 00:45:18 | |
And rather than jump to a fit, but after a while we find that the 4th person isn't cutting it and we could look at how big the | 00:45:24 | |
staff up. | 00:45:29 | |
I mean, the struggle has really been hiring. | 00:45:37 | |
The things would be looking different. | 00:45:45 | |
What specific concerns do you have? | 00:45:52 | |
Just being able to keep up with what we have and keep up looking nice. | 00:45:54 | |
Because a lot of it now is maturing and I think it's becoming more and more difficult to maintain it. | 00:46:00 | |
And I just want to make sure we have enough investment that we can we can keep our trees trained, we can keep. | 00:46:06 | |
Grass cut. | 00:46:13 | |
You know, like right now there's big job. | 00:46:15 | |
Just getting things in shape, I know, Gina said. Give us. | 00:46:18 | |
Give us a minute, but it's. | 00:46:24 | |
It's going to be a job just getting a lot of this stuff. | 00:46:25 | |
Into shape for the summer season, it will be yes. Um. | 00:46:28 | |
We've got the cruiser. | 00:46:34 | |
Full bore at work. | 00:46:38 | |
They're very busy. | 00:46:40 | |
We've had some vacations and Taos had back surgery recently. He's on light duty now for another three weeks, so. | 00:46:43 | |
Yeah, we were hoping to be stepped up to nine people right now. | 00:46:54 | |
Yeah, we do. | 00:47:05 | |
Find it easier. | 00:47:08 | |
That full-time person, we wanted to go that route. | 00:47:10 | |
Versus the seasonals, we come in, we explain to them that you don't get the benefit and you'll be leaving in six months. | 00:47:15 | |
See the challenge because. | 00:47:24 | |
Once the winter timer just isn't as much right stuff to do and. | 00:47:27 | |
Well, you know, then you're, I'm not just concerned about the hourly problem taking it up because they're not benefiting | 00:47:34 | |
employees. | 00:47:38 | |
And you got to add. | 00:47:43 | |
50% of the wage, if you're going to bring on or whatever that number is. | 00:47:46 | |
That load, that full-time people. So, but I don't know, there's probably limitations to what we can do, but it wouldn't. | 00:47:51 | |
Doesn't bother me to add some dollars, the markets, the market, right. So it's going to say are we just under market a little bit? | 00:48:00 | |
To be able to, if we're trying to get the F9 and it's May and you know, I don't know I guess, I guess that complicates someone | 00:48:07 | |
who's got your full time people that you're trying to. | 00:48:12 | |
Yeah. | 00:48:19 | |
Yeah, I don't know. | 00:48:22 | |
So if you look at other. | 00:48:27 | |
We're in the range, you know, there's a tremendous range from really 12 to 20. | 00:48:29 | |
Jared experienced hiring doesn't seem unique. | 00:48:37 | |
When talking to other contractors. | 00:48:42 | |
Yeah, I just had a conversation with the contractor a couple weeks ago. | 00:48:46 | |
I said, hey, I'm having a hard time hiring. How's your experience been? And he's like, I can't get anyone to show up for any of | 00:48:52 | |
you. | 00:48:55 | |
The labor market is very tight right now. | 00:49:01 | |
For those low skilled. | 00:49:05 | |
Workforces like. | 00:49:08 | |
You don't see the college students coming out for the summer or wanting to do this kind of work. | 00:49:09 | |
And most of the people who are not in college want a full time work. | 00:49:15 | |
Throughout the year, so. | 00:49:19 | |
It's a little bit of a. | 00:49:22 | |
Yeah, it's kind of tough. | 00:49:25 | |
I think maybe we go a couple more weeks and I'll report back to Gina. | 00:49:29 | |
To see if our recent. | 00:49:33 | |
Pay increase. | 00:49:36 | |
I think. | 00:49:39 | |
I don't know what the dynamics are internally in the city in terms of what they structure. | 00:49:41 | |
Get that? But there's also a big difference between a full time person and. | 00:49:47 | |
Amount of benefits that's loaded onto that position. They could walk different than paying just a straight time with a part-time | 00:49:52 | |
wage. And so if. | 00:49:56 | |
I mean. | 00:50:01 | |
I'll leave it up to you guys, but if we need to take our wage up to get more people. | 00:50:04 | |
A couple dollars an hour and that's what the market is and that's what the market is. | 00:50:10 | |
Thank you for that support ticket, something I can definitely discuss. | 00:50:16 | |
I mean, one of the things we're trying to. | 00:50:25 | |
Which is why we have. | 00:50:34 | |
We're looking at a, you say through August 50 bonus if you stay through October, that's a $500. Yeah, I think that's more | 00:50:39 | |
effectively takes it to about $17.00 an hour, even more so whatever you guys want to do, whatever latitude you need to get her | 00:50:45 | |
part time. | 00:50:52 | |
Crews in place. | 00:51:00 | |
The councils support that we're not going to have a budget issue with it. | 00:51:03 | |
Drove my butter nut the other day and that looks I was like. | 00:51:07 | |
Pretty good. | 00:51:11 | |
And then I drove by it as your estate thing down by just like. | 00:51:12 | |
Maybe it needs help, you know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, in the end I just think if we have these public assets. | 00:51:18 | |
Yeah. | 00:51:26 | |
Yeah, it's not that it's going to get ignored all summer, it's just it's on the list and they don't get. We will get to it. It's | 00:51:28 | |
just. | 00:51:32 | |
It's not as beautiful as we would like it all the time. | 00:51:37 | |
Right now. | 00:51:40 | |
OK, umm. | 00:51:44 | |
So our, our funds, we've got expenditures that come out of three different funds as Gina noted, our general fund, our capital | 00:51:49 | |
projects fund and our storm water fund, 55% of that being stormwater. | 00:51:57 | |
Umm. | 00:52:08 | |
So I'm going to go over some of our highlights in each of those funds. | 00:52:15 | |
So the Salt Lake County Public Works contract is increased by just. | 00:52:22 | |
Over 5%. | 00:52:27 | |
Which translates to about $150,000. | 00:52:30 | |
That is mostly to cover inflationary costs of the county not only. | 00:52:35 | |
Labor, but materials as well equipment maintenance and replacement. | 00:52:42 | |
So that seems to be kind of on par with a lot of other departments. | 00:52:51 | |
That. | 00:52:58 | |
We do get above every year. I don't, I can't remember really what the trend has been from each year, but. | 00:53:00 | |
That be correct to say that's pretty standard. I think so, yeah, I mean two years ago we had larger increase and then last year it | 00:53:09 | |
seems like it was a smaller increase but averaging out around 5%. | 00:53:15 | |
So the general the new parks position would come out of the general fund. | 00:53:29 | |
One of the things that I'd like to note is that we are transitioning, we'd like to transition all of our two struck engines on our | 00:53:35 | |
leak blowers, our hedging equipment and. | 00:53:42 | |
Our chainsaws and a variety of other things from two circuit to electric two strips are extremely polluting engines, releasing A | 00:53:51 | |
tremendous amount of. | 00:53:57 | |
Greenhouse gases for the power output, so we. | 00:54:04 | |
Put in $10,000 and that would cover all of our change out for those machines. | 00:54:10 | |
Umm, we've got 8. | 00:54:18 | |
Going on to our stormwater fund, we are not increasing the stormwater fee. | 00:54:21 | |
We are collecting. | 00:54:27 | |
Is something that we would make into the Council here next year. | 00:54:30 | |
To discuss whether or not we would want to do that. It was in the original. | 00:54:37 | |
Presentation given to the Council by our financial consultant a couple of years ago that. | 00:54:43 | |
It would be. | 00:54:51 | |
We would start with the fee that we're at now and then overtime that would be increased. | 00:54:53 | |
So what's going on is we do have about just under $700,000 a year. | 00:54:58 | |
On debt service and that's for our bond that's a 20 year. | 00:55:05 | |
Bond will be paying off. | 00:55:10 | |
We collect approximately $1 million for. | 00:55:13 | |
Our saltwater fee annually, so it just leaves maybe a little over $300,000 to spend on storm water. | 00:55:19 | |
We don't really need that increase right now because we have the money from the bond. | 00:55:26 | |
That bond is going to be spent about 12 to 18 months from now. | 00:55:32 | |
And at that point we would just be able, we would only be relying on that. | 00:55:38 | |
Delta between the stormwater heat and what we're paying on the deck service. | 00:55:44 | |
So once you get. | 00:55:52 | |
That stabilize you kind of get? | 00:55:54 | |
Idea of what the ongoings are going to be and then make decisions you want to. | 00:55:57 | |