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Meeting of the City of Holiday to order on July 11th and we'll start with the pledge. 00:00:00
Of the United States of America. 00:00:11
And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:14
Thank you. 00:00:25
All right, item number three is public comment. Before I open up public comment, let me just say a few things. There are no public 00:00:27
hearings on the agenda tonight to include input on the. 00:00:33
Spring Lane presentation, which is item D on the work session, which I've talked to I think Mr. Cruckenberg about a little bit. So 00:00:40
your opportunity to to comment on that will be during public comment, which will open up momentarily. But before we do that, let 00:00:48
me just say that we're going to be looking at a concept plan tonight that we've been working through. It's in the packet over the 00:00:56
last several months, but it's a concept plan. So down the road depending on what the council decides to do. 00:01:04
It will have to be adopted as part of the general plan, which will require notices and public hearings. So I just want to make 00:01:12
sure because a lot of the people that are here tonight are my neighbors, so I know why you're here. 00:01:18
And just give us your name and address so Trudy will show you how to do it from the library. 00:02:01
She's a pro. 00:02:07
Trudy from the library, last time I was here, you all got signed up for summer reading. So I'm just reminding you that have till 00:02:10
the end of this month to finish up your your fine waiver is good through the end of August. But if you want to get and you can 00:02:17
probably come in in August and get your free book. But if you want to get in on the prize drawings, July 31st is your day. 00:02:24
I want to thank everybody who came out to our first Stories in the Park here at the gazebo in the park this morning. It had a good 00:02:32
turn out. We'll be doing it again next Thursday and then again on August 1st and August 8th. 00:02:38
We are having a family event from 1:30 to 3:30. It's going to be a sunlit solar party in conjunction with Clark Planetarium. So 00:03:19
they're going to bring their fun telescopes that let you look right at the sun. So you should come and have fun with us in the 00:03:25
Clark Planetarium on the 25th. 00:03:30
Any questions for the library? 00:03:37
Questions for Trudy. 00:03:40
OK, thanks. 00:03:42
All right, public hearing remains open, so this is your opportunity. 00:03:45
Mayor, Council Attorney. 00:03:54
Andrew, Miss Smith. 00:03:57
Jeff Cruckenberg, 5354 S Cottonwood Club Drive. 00:03:59
I like to start by saying I've never actually worn shorts to a official meeting here at the City of Holiday. It's quite 00:04:04
liberating. It's going to be our new dress code. Now you look comfortable based on the temperature outside. 00:04:10
Christy and I, we live at 5354 S Cottonwood Club Drive and we are in support of maintaining the Spring Lane Elementary, located at 00:04:18
5315 S 1700 E, as open and public space. 00:04:26
However, we are not in support of pickleball courts adjoining our properties. 00:04:36
We're concerned about the noise, we're concerned about the lights and we're concerned about the parking, particularly on 00:04:42
Cottonwood Club Drive. 00:04:46
We are in receipt of an updated plan from Mayor Dolly dated 7/8/2024. Thank you for that update, Mayor Dolly. 00:04:52
Again, we are in support of maintaining the property located at 5315 S 1700 E as open space and courts located in the center of 00:05:03
the property. 00:05:09
As proposed, distance from homes provides a solution that we can support. 00:05:16
Thank you for your time, thank you for your energy, and thank you for your consideration. 00:05:24
Thank you. 00:05:28
Large Kowski. The address is 5382 Cottonwood Club Drive. 00:05:44
We, Gil Murdock and I are in support too, of the newest draft of the plan, where pickleball courts would certainly not be adjacent 00:05:52
to our property line for the same reasons in terms of the noise, possible light pollution. 00:06:01
And the impact on? 00:06:13
The individuals who live around. 00:06:17
This whole area, as a pickleball player, you know I do love the sport, however, it is noisy. 00:06:20
And part of the draw of this neighborhood is the peacefulness and the quiet that it also provides in conjunction with. 00:06:30
The friendliness and the openness of our neighbors and it's just a wonderful place to live and I certainly do not want to see that 00:06:42
compromised. 00:06:48
Thank you very much. 00:06:55
Thank you. 00:06:56
Thank you, Council. My name is Mark Rotheker. I'm. We live at 5361 S Woodcrest Dr. just West of the property. And I concur with 00:07:05
the other people that have expressed concern on pickleball courts because of the noise and lighting and that kind of thing. It's 00:07:13
the rest of the plan seemed like a good one, as near as I can tell. I don't know how, you know, I think there's still a ways to go 00:07:21
for the final plan. I understand. 00:07:29
But anyway, do have concern on the pickleball courts, the noise and the lighting. Thank you. So Mark, just so I can be clear, when 00:07:37
you say pickleball courts, I think Mr. Kruckenberg was referencing a previous plan that had nine courts adjacent to their right 00:07:45
next to the fence, which was just a concept that we that we discounted immediately and they ended up in the middle. Are are you as 00:07:52
well kind of in support of? 00:07:59
A reduced amount in the middle of the property. Well, I would prefer to not have the pickleball courts at all. 00:08:07
And I think a splash pad that was talked about, I think that could be good. It could bring families. 00:08:14
To the area and it would be good if it could be used in non splash pad weather for some other use but anyway it's the we can we 00:08:21
can hear the pickleball courts from over at the Cottonwood club and. 00:08:30
I know it's a popular game, but it's a. 00:08:40
It I think it would bother the neighbors especially people want to play early in the morning and late at night and that the noise 00:08:45
problem would be a problem. OK, thank you. Thank you. 00:08:52
Anybody else? 00:09:10
OK with that then I'll close public comment and I think before we move on from this, if it's OK with the council, I just want to 00:09:13
make a couple of statements because I think they will come out in the in the work work session discussion, which you're all 00:09:20
welcome to attend. My, my best guess would be that will occur at 7:30-ish, 7/15, 7:30 is with no promises because I don't know how 00:09:28
long the other discussions are going to go, but the whole idea of lighting. 00:09:35
OK. With that then we'll move on to item number four. This is consideration of Resolution 2024-22. This is a state mandate that we 00:10:19
all have to have a city storm water management plan. So Joe, I think this is yours. 00:10:28
Good evening, Mayor Council. 00:10:37
How can you bring up the attachment? 00:10:45
Of the stormwater management plan itself. 00:10:49
OK, the list of amendments will be fine. 00:10:54
Thanks. So first of all, as we all know, our website was updated recently to how to utah.gov and I changed that throughout the 00:10:58
stormwater management plan document. 00:11:05
Next was. 00:11:16
An E coli. 00:11:20
Total daily maximum load compliance plan, which was mandated by the state that we had to add to our stormwater management plan. 00:11:23
And last was to remove. 00:11:33
Previously expired intro local agreements with Salt Lake County and just replaced them with the new ones that have already been 00:11:37
executed. 00:11:40
So I believe the full plan is in the packet. Did anyone have any questions about those? 00:11:46
So these these are, and I'm just saying this for the benefit of the recording, but these are just additions to a plan we had 00:11:51
already approved last year that we just need to add to it essentially. 00:11:57
I believe. 00:12:03
Only one was in addition which was the TMD TMDL compliance plan. The other was just remove outdated expired agreements and add the 00:12:06
new ones. 00:12:11
Yes, there has been a stormwater management place plan. Been in place for several years now. 00:12:18
Any any questions from Council? 00:12:27
Be happy to take a motion if there are any. Mr. Mayor, move approval of Resolution 2024-22 to approve a resolution City Council to 00:12:30
to the. 00:12:35
Regarding the city storm water management plan. 00:12:41
Second, OK, we have motion and 2nd from Council member Durham, we'll go to vote Council member Gray, Council member Quinn, Council 00:12:44
member Fotheringham, council member Durham and chair vote. She has that provision is or that resolution is approved. Thanks, Joe. 00:12:51
Next is the advice and consent we're just at we're reappointing Dennis Roach and Carrie Ann Prints of the Planning Commission for 00:13:00
a three for another three-year term that ends on June June 30th of 2027. 00:13:07
OK, so I just need a motion on that Mister Mayor move approval of resolution 2024 S 23 approving the reappointment of my friend 00:13:16
Dennis Roach, District 3 and carry on Prince for at large living in District 4 for their next term 2nd. 00:13:23
We have a motion a second. We'll go to vote. Councilmember Gray, Yes. Councilmember Quinn, Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, Yes. 00:13:32
Councilmember Durham, yes. And chair vote just so those appointments are approved. Thank you. 00:13:38
Item number six is the amendment to the interlocal agreement with Salt Lake, Salt Lake County Public Works. This is in your 00:13:46
packet. This is an agreement that basically, well, Gina, why don't you review it very quickly and then we'll go to go to. Sure, 00:13:52
Salt Lake County Public Works provides our snow removal services. 00:13:59
As well as a number of other public work services. They fill our potholes and they are our first responders from a public works 00:14:06
roads traffic signal perspective. This amendment updates the agreement to reflect the budget amount that you previously approved 00:14:14
in June. 00:14:21
A genetic. 00:14:31
Can I just ask you a couple of questions about just the contextualize some of these numbers? 00:14:33
Like for instance, snow plow cost. 00:14:39
For 465,000, what does that entail? Is that like an annual rental for X number of snow plows that they've committed to holiday? 00:14:42
And is that a full time commitment or is that just we have a share of those snow plows? How does this number come about in terms 00:14:50
of its its context? Yeah, this methodology changed several years ago. And so our overall cost for this contract are based on our 00:14:57
number of snow plow routes. We have 8IN holiday. 00:15:05
So this reflects the annual cost of. 00:15:14
Those snow plow routes and the employees that go along with them. 00:15:18
So those employees, those Ftes serve other purposes year round, but that is the the driver of our overall contract cost is that 00:15:25
that that number of snowplow routes. 00:15:31
Just see, I'm confused a little bit by it, and maybe we can get some context at a later point because we're talking about. 00:15:39
10 and change Ftes at 1,000,000 bucks, that's 100,000 apiece. That's not too shabby. But we're also talking about they're not 00:15:48
really dedicated to holiday, but we're paying 100 grand each for folks who are part-time essentially for holiday. Is that what I'm 00:15:57
hearing or is are there a lot more employees that just kind of it boils down to the equivalent of full time? 00:16:05
That's exactly right. So in the winter we would have, if we were responding to to a snowstorm for example, we have a day shift and 00:16:14
then a night shift and there are a number of F TS associated with that. This is just our FTE equivalent. It's not that we have 00:16:24
those eight employees that we could point to and say FT EE being equivalents. OK. And then the 465. 00:16:34
For snow plows, that's an annual rental. 00:16:45
Presumably because we don't. We don't own any snow plows, but it's an annual. 00:16:49
Rental essentially. 00:16:55
Of however many snow blows there they need to use to cover those eight routes. That's right and would include the maintenance that 00:16:58
are is associated with those plows as well. 00:17:03
Aren't those the same trucks that are used for public works in the summer? So that's my understanding. Cloud will come off and 00:17:10
then they they do, you know, chip seals and. 00:17:15
Pothole filling and whatnot with those as well. 00:17:21
Remind. Remind me that. 00:17:26
I should know the answer to this, but so you've got this fixed cost, but if you go back two winters ago. 00:17:28
Where the usage far exceeded what this fixed cost would be, do the do we then 'cause didn't we have to come back into a budget 00:17:34
adjustment for the salt or the overtime or something like how does that work? So our previous arrangement with Salt Lake County, 00:17:42
there was a lot of variation depending on what the winter was like. 00:17:49
In our new arrangement, there is there's some variation for those materials cost, but that's on a three-year average. 00:17:58
So it's meant to kind of smooth those costs overtime. So we won't get prevents us from getting a big surprise, right. If yeah, as 00:18:07
I recall them as previously was an empty airline seats model essentially, right. We're paying marginal cost. And so when we had 00:18:14
more than usual, we're always paying that marginal cost, whereas now we're on a fully burdened model where it's more of a 00:18:21
absorbing a share of the fixed cost. 00:18:27
And the only variables really are the additional materials from a. 00:18:35
From an unusual storm year, whereas the labor and fixed cost equipments aren't. 00:18:40
Aren't variable. 00:18:46
Is that affairs, David? 00:18:48
OK, thanks. 00:18:50
Yeah. And I think when we went through the budgeting process, this equated to about a 5.5% increase, which in the inflationary 00:18:51
environment we're in and based on prior negotiations we've had with the county over public Works, we didn't have a major issue 00:18:57
with this year. 00:19:03
OK. 00:19:12
Mr. Mayor, I'd move. 00:19:20
Adoption of Resolution 2024-24 approving the Second Amendment to the Interlocal Agreement with Salt Lake County for Public Works. 00:19:23
Second OK, motion is second. We'll go to vote Council member Gray yes, councilmember Quinn yes, council member Fotheringham yes, 00:19:30
council member Durham and chair vote just the contract with the county public works contracts approved. Thank you council. We 00:19:37
talked about this in the work session so I don't think I need to go over it too much here, but this is just the interlocal with 00:19:45
Mill Creek to expand our multi jurisdictional building inspection capacity so we can meet our timelines. Any questions for. 00:19:52
Staff, before we take a motion or Gina, do you want to make a clarifying comment? No, I just want to take the opportunity to 00:20:00
introduce a fairly new member of our staff. Rob Sears is a our building official and I think he's been here for four, four or five 00:20:06
months. 00:20:12
And if you have questions about this resolution, he would be happy to answer them. 00:20:21
Do you want Rob to come up and answer any questions? 00:20:27
I think you're off the hook. We've kind of gone through it and understand it, you know what the details it lays out and it just 00:20:32
gives us another option essentially. But I think we did have when I was going to bring this up, we did have, we wanted a little 00:20:37
bit, we were working with the county a little bit and. 00:20:43
OK, I didn't know the county was here. 00:20:54
Anyway, it gives us a little bit more flexibility outside of going to the county too, I think, if we need to. 00:20:59
Have assets available. 00:21:06
OK, take a motion then Mr. Mayor, Motion that we approve Resolution 2425 approving an interlocal agreement with Mill Creek for the 00:21:10
multi jurisdictional building inspections. 00:21:15
Second OK, motion in a second will go to vote. Council member Gray yes, Councilmember Quinn yes, Council member Fotheringham, 00:21:21
Council member Durham yes and chair vote just that interlocal is approved. Thank you, council. 00:21:27
Minutes from approval of minutes from April 25th, May 2nd, 9th, 16th, and June 13th. 00:21:35
Any edits, additions or deletions? 00:21:41
If not, I would take a motion to approve the consent agenda. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the consent agenda for April 25th, 00:21:45
May 2nd, nineteen 16th and June 13th, 2024. 00:21:52
Second motion is second. All in favor say aye aye. Any opposed? 00:22:00
Consent agenda is approved. Thank you very much. And we'll move right to the City Manager report. 00:22:06
A few items for the council tonight. First, I just want to acknowledge what from my perspective was a really successful 4th of 00:22:14
July event. Started with the breakfast in the morning and we served just under 1000 breakfasts. The feedback from residents that I 00:22:23
had the chance to chat with was incredibly positive about the quality of the breakfast in the event. 00:22:31
This was the first year of our increased cost and. 00:22:42
I only had a couple of people who asked questions about where the the extra funds were going from the breakfast. 00:22:46
Once we shared that the city was continuing to subsidize the cost, people were, I think. 00:22:54
Grateful for the continuation of the breakfast and I didn't receive well. I received one negative comment about the price increase 00:23:03
with 1000 people. I thought that was a pretty good ratio. Both the caterer had additional staff and I think our greater use of 00:23:11
credit cards made the line go alive smoother in the morning and I I thought that part went really well. The evening or concert and 00:23:19
fireworks were also lovely. We had. 00:23:27
Lots of people and I really want to thank both you PD who turned out. 00:23:36
A large number of officers, which I think helped us control the crowd. 00:23:41
And minimize traffic disruption in the evenings. I also really appreciate the work of the UFA and guaranteeing safety at that 00:23:46
event. So I hope the council shares my perspective of that event. But from the perspective of our staff, we were really pleased 00:23:53
with how it turned out. 00:24:01
Do you have a couple of updates on grants that I wanted to share with you? And this is kind of good news, bad news. We did receive 00:24:09
notification in the last couple of weeks that the brick grant that we applied for this was I think $2.7 million for the seismic 00:24:17
update in this building through FEMA. We did not move forward in that process. 00:24:26
We knew it was a long shot, but but we were still hopeful. 00:24:37
So we're a little disappointed, but the applications that did move forward in Utah were pretty small dollar amounts, so a much 00:24:41
different scope than we had proposed. 00:24:48
In the good news category, we did receive notification that Representative Curtis. 00:24:56
Included our proposed earmark for the same seismic improvements that is in the appropriations bill is at a slightly lower dollar 00:25:03
amount than than was in place initially. Initially it was at $2,000,000. It's now at just under 1.7. But still overall really good 00:25:12
news and we're hopeful that that budget will be approved hopefully by the end of the year and. 00:25:22
That will give us some certainty about moving forward with this, the improvements here. 00:25:32
And then finally one other grant I wanted to mention we received as it is a safe sidewalk grant from U dot for a small portion of 00:25:38
45th South that will provide safety and connectivity for our residents with the park. And our hope is that we'll be able to extend 00:25:46
that down 45th South. 00:25:54
That grant of $100,000 does require a match, and so you'll see that in an upcoming budget amendment. 00:26:04
So that's the grant portion. Any questions about that? 00:26:11
So how do those those two the the no and the yes speed up or slow down time frames? 00:26:18
So I think the yes, I'm just given the. 00:26:26
Uncertainty of the federal budget process at this point, I think means that we're likely to look at a. 00:26:32
Construction beginning in January of 26 rather than at some point in 25. 00:26:40
One other update for the council, we are working through the exhibit, the historic exhibit experience process, the steering 00:26:52
committee, which includes Council Member Brewer, John Tearling, Holly Smith. 00:27:00
Sandy Meadows. 00:27:10
Oh, and Megan Aterman, of course, are working through some design options for that exhibit, and we're likely to bring some options 00:27:14
to the council mid to late September. 00:27:20
So that's my update. 00:27:28
Any questions for Gina while she's up here? Gina, how has attendance for the 4th of July? Is that about the same as we've 00:27:30
expected? Is it more than you expected less for both the breakfast and then the fireworks later? So for breakfast it, it is almost 00:27:39
identical to where we were two years ago. It's slightly less than we were where we were a year ago. In terms of the crowd in the 00:27:48
evening. I don't have official numbers there. My sense is it was at least as big as last year, which we. 00:27:57
Estimated at 10,000. 00:28:06
But I don't have a good number there yet. 00:28:08
Thank you. OK, thank you. We'll move to council reports. Emily will start with you and then move down the line. I just wanted to 00:28:13
thank, well, a couple of people. First, I wanted to thank Lena for bringing to my attention. I just wanted to make sure that 00:28:20
everybody was aware as the representative for Whiff Word that the county has recently built in South part of Sandy a hazardous 00:28:28
waste disposal site, so you don't have to drive clear out to the landfills. 00:28:35
OK. I am pleased to announce that Mid Bill has joined the Utah Renewable Communities formerly known as the Utah, excuse me, the 00:29:18
Community Renewable Energy Agency. 00:29:24
There's one additional good sized city in the valley that that is close to jumping on board and we're keeping our fingers crossed. 00:29:31
So, so that's all good news. I would wanted to just thank whoever. 00:29:37
Got the Shakespeare, the grassroots Shakespeare presentation. I went to that last Friday night and it was, it was a load of fun. 00:29:45
So the, it wasn't a big crowd, but everybody was very involved and, and it was a lot of fun. So I appreciate the Arts Council and 00:29:51
everything that we have. 00:29:57
Access to so close to our homes. 00:30:05
A couple of items. 00:30:11
Something I want to bring up for future discussion is. 00:30:14
The issue of potential vacations of some catwalks. We've got a catwalk that the city, I guess. 00:30:20
Has virtual ownership of or actual ownership of from when we incorporated from the county, but the the Chapel on Westmore that has 00:30:30
since been torn down is now being developed. There has been a catwalk connection between the apartment complex on the Highland 00:30:39
Circle area that then connects to Westmore through. 00:30:47
A side yard, but now that the church is not there. 00:30:57
And also that the Spring Lane Elementary, which that would also provide a shortcut to the school kids, the school is closed. And 00:31:02
so there's been some interest by some of the homeowners there to have that catwalk vacated and perhaps offered for sale. Now that 00:31:09
the person who's brought me this particular request is not the adjacent homeowner, it's A1 homeowner down. And so I, I had a 00:31:16
conversation with Jonathan. 00:31:24
Earlier today about, you know, the, how that sort of process work and well, if it's going to be vacated, it would be to the the 00:31:32
homeowners that are actually adjacent, not to one homeowner away, you know, so I have not had any conversations with the adjacent 00:31:39
homeowners to measure their level of interest. But but, but actually first there would be a policy question of whether or not we 00:31:46
want to even be offering it to be vacated. 00:31:53
My my initial gut reaction myself. 00:32:01
Is is you know. 00:32:05
Disconnecting connections is usually my my first choice, but then again, its original purpose is no longer there. And so anyway, 00:32:08
that's a discussion I'd like to have at some point. And then depending on how that discussions comes out, if we decide that that's 00:32:16
something we we're we're comfortable with offering to those home owners, it would certainly relieve us of the maintenance of that 00:32:23
catwalk. And also it's. 00:32:30
But I think we have to go through the public hearing process. 00:32:38
That include the renters in the apartments because they'd be the potential the folks primarily losing access. I mean there's 00:32:41
there's homeowner side too could be using it as well, but. 00:32:47
Anyway, that's a Since the primary purpose of it has gone away, there is some interest in in vacating that. 00:32:55
Next, I don't know if any of you remember pre pandemic we occasionally had this cycle of going to breakfast with some of our 00:33:04
public safety partners. 00:33:10
We'd go to breakfast over at Sharon's with our rotating battalions over at 1:04 and it was a great way to connect with our public 00:33:18
service, particularly our UFA officers and crews over there. 00:33:25
To kind of re establish our close connection with them and I'd like to to restart that. And and so I'll be reaching out to you to 00:33:34
partner up and get those scheduled again. And Captain Brown, I'll talk to you maybe later about I'm thinking that the next you 00:33:44
gave me a schedule of those preferred change over weekends that happen on Friday, Saturday. So a Saturday would be mid shift. 00:33:54
And so let's talk about whether July 20th is too soon or if we can do that or go to the next one, which I think was like August 00:34:05
3rd. 00:34:09
Next Oh, I did and we did have some public comment here for by the Spring Lane property. I did attend a neighborhood meeting at 00:34:16
Barbara Lord's house. It was hosted by as well by Mr. Cruckenberg and I went really well, I thought. And there had been some 00:34:24
concern about the misunderstanding of the early conceptual drawings. But once we clarified that and that our our goals are similar 00:34:32
to their goals in a lot of ways in terms of we're also neighbors and we understand the the noise issue and and anyway. 00:34:40
I was delighted with the courtesy that holiday citizens show in those environments and I just thought it went really, it went 00:34:49
really well when. 00:34:54
It could have been otherwise, but it wasn't so grateful for that. 00:35:00
Arts Council this Saturday kicks off the summer concert series. We have the David Park Quintet. He's a classical violin soloist, 00:35:04
award-winning and globetrotting. David Park with a guitar, bass, drums and piano performs wide rays of instrumental music, 00:35:12
Beatles, those French cabaret, tango, classical and jazz. He's played Carnegie Hall, so it should be a delightful performance this 00:35:19
weekend. It's Saturday, 8:00. 00:35:26
In the park. 00:35:34
And lastly, I'd like to thank, even though they're out here, Chief Hoyle and Warren Dalla for code enforcement Officer, we've been 00:35:35
dealing with a couple of different code enforcement issues, one of course involving the thing we've heard about before with the 00:35:43
renting your swimming pool without a business license. And then another one, we had some junk car issues that have been in 00:35:50
driveways for a long time that neighbors were complaining about and Officer Dallas was. 00:35:58
Has been following up on that and it's. 00:36:05
Going well. 00:36:08
So I have. 00:36:10
I just wanted to mention a few things. First, I wanted to thank Jared and his team for some work that they're doing with Hunt with 00:36:13
Storm Drains. 00:36:17
Off Eldorado and dealing with some neighbors there that have some concerns. 00:36:23
Umm also wanted to mention the August 6th night out. It's the public safety event that is kind of spearheaded by our UPD precinct 00:36:31
here. But our Happy Healthy Holiday Coalition is going to be represented there and we'll have some resources there with I believe 00:36:39
naloxone kits, is that right? And some other things that will help make our community healthier and safer. And so people should 00:36:46
mark that on their calendar as a, as a good event. 00:36:54
And then I attended today the Holiday Tree Committee meeting and just want to remind everyone that we have a vacancy now in 00:37:02
District 3. 00:37:08
So if anyone has any great ideas for. 00:37:14
Tree committee member. 00:37:18
If anyone knows of an arborist living in District 3, that would be ideal. Short of that, any tree lover is welcome. 00:37:20
That's it. 00:37:29
OK. Thanks. Thank you. 00:37:31
And you'll could you forward me the e-mail of the gentleman you were talking about for? 00:37:35
The Sandy project, yes, Yeah. So I can reach out to him. 00:37:40
Gosh, I'm trying to I think everything was covered into my comments were going to revolve around July 4th, which I think Gina hit 00:37:45
all those. I'm assuming Crystal will schedule a another kind of download on that. I think that was really helpful last year. I 00:37:50
thought some of those additions with. 00:37:56
You know, the porta potties and the safety lighting, you know, post event all came out of that discussion. So I think it's always 00:38:02
great to meet and say, OK, it was great, what can we do better? 00:38:08
But other than that, I think everybody, I'm not sure if we copied everybody on the fact that Doctor and I is no longer the 00:38:15
Superintendent of Granite School District. He was and they immediately, I guess, appointed Ben Horsley. So that that'll be a big 00:38:22
change. But we have a great relationship with Ben, so I think that'll be good. But congratulations to him and Doctor and I too, 00:38:28
who I guess took the **** *** at the state under the governor. 00:38:34
OK, that's all I have. I guess we'll take a little bit of a break and take a motion to recess and we'll move across the hall. Mr. 00:38:43
Mayor, I move. We adjourn to the council meeting and reconvene a work session against all. 00:38:47
Second all in favor, aye. 00:38:53
Taken a couple minute break and we'll start right away across the hall. 00:38:57
And there's also. 00:39:04
We don't move there. 00:39:08
So you can make this once you start you. 00:39:10
If you go into you. 00:39:15
Make a thin line so it's just. 00:39:18
Moderate income housing updates. 00:39:35
And Francis Garcia. 00:39:40
We do this and reporting on a. 00:39:49
On an annual basis and the employees do on August 1st of every year, so we report on. 00:39:52
The housing strategies. 00:40:00
From August 1st until July 31st, so any activities that we do within that year period actually report on all the year. 00:40:03
So after we did our. 00:40:13
Revision of the implementation plan in January. February. 00:40:15
There were quite a few tasks and actions that we were able to to follow through with the report, which is making it a lot easier. 00:40:21
Right now, the report I sent it to the state to get a preliminary kind of do you want to see the New Girl the right track on the 00:40:32
language and. 00:40:37
I have received it back in, but I should get invited while, she said. 00:40:43
But it's changed. This is there's 11 pages per strategy. 00:40:48
So it's this year we were focusing on five submissions. 00:40:54
Because we want to be eligible to apply for the content. 00:40:58
For transportation. 00:41:04
So we're focusing on our strategies. 00:41:05
I did 6 in your staff report just because I wanted to cover all our bases and see what I heard back from the state and see which 00:41:09
was that. 00:41:13
So I added snakes and that strategy P. 00:41:18
Ek. 00:41:24
P&X. 00:41:26
Part of the strategy report includes entitlement questions. There's about 8 entitlement questions. There's a section on Adu 7349. 00:41:31
And then? 00:41:44
Marketing like. 00:41:46
With implementing the strategy and doing some task. 00:41:48
What was the input from the community? 00:41:52
To be proceeding input from developers per SE you just sent. 00:41:55
We also had to report on barriers. 00:42:00
On implementing a task strategy. 00:42:04
That was part of the holy meditation. So some of the tasks that I kept doing, one or two tasks that I. 00:42:09
State for each strategy and it was pretty simple to do that. 00:42:18
We didn't find it work this past year. 00:42:24
On transportation. 00:42:28
Generally referring our transportation how many help with the grant work? 00:42:30
We had county that we could report on. 00:42:37
So there was there was a lot of movement. 00:42:40
And I think. 00:42:45
So. 00:42:47
30 questions on any of the. 00:42:49
Of the strategies that you wanted to hear about. 00:42:52
Something not soliciting. 00:42:55
Other input on Sundays. 00:42:58
Civics. 00:43:02
He's in context for. 00:43:04
That's where the parking. So like our strategy, which was on Adu. 00:43:06
Creating and streamlining the process. We've been working on that. 00:43:14
What were some of the comments that the public. 00:43:19
Have provided. 00:43:24
With regards to seeing the changes that we were doing. 00:43:25
So those those are some of the responses that we were affected. 00:43:30
Community was really right during the public hearings, so we just completed those pieces. 00:43:35
I just don't even know about that earlier this week. 00:43:45
You would have a report ready for the council. Just give them the schedule. The way council meetings have fallen and it's done, 00:43:52
the fact that it's due on August 1st. 00:43:59
We're not able to provide that complete report that. 00:44:07
And your attention to share it once it would be yes, as soon as I hear back from the state that we are on the right track, I'll 00:44:11
make it available. 00:44:15
For council to take a look at it that way. 00:44:20
But it will happen. 00:44:28
Thank you. 00:44:34
If you've been doing this, are there any of the strategies that as you've been reviewing Office, that you have felt like we're 00:44:36
particularly effective? 00:44:40
I don't think we have felt like because we're holidays just. 00:44:44
More challenging? Interested in some cities? 00:44:49
Some of these were actually more helpful than we might have thought more than others. Yeah, we added strategy speed recently to 00:44:51
our strategies and that was demonstrating an investment in expansion of infrastructure and we've been doing a lot of work on 00:44:58
infrastructure. 00:45:05
Filling in the gaps. 00:45:14
Bike lanes. And so that's what we're able to report on and it actually helps with, you know, development that's happening. But it 00:45:17
was a good thing and we were able to have that. 00:45:23
Also the ad use. 00:45:30
Streamlining in that process. 00:45:32
Have been positive. 00:45:35
The other one is old. 00:45:39
Partnering with other entities. 00:45:42
On housing programs and. 00:45:46
And putting them on the website, I don't know you've had a chance to look at our website. 00:45:50
We included a lot of housing and community resources on the website. 00:45:56
So that was also part of. 00:46:01
Our outreach is being in the community that you're there's programs in place that can lower your housing costs. 00:46:04
And that will help them. 00:46:12
Affordability. 00:46:14
Just one and I apologize if I missed that. 00:46:22
Dessert, dessert, updated timeline on our RDA money in terms of what's the update timeline on that? 00:46:30
How do we get through? 00:46:38
Did I miss that? No, no, Back here we didn't have a debt conversation. 00:46:40
But we are looking at the timelines of. 00:46:44
When it started, we started receiving the funds and then six years from that function, but we started doing a grid on where our 00:46:48
guns are when projects are. We thought some runway there. 00:46:55
But we should be aware of. 00:47:02
My third clock. 00:47:05
Yeah, we started conversation. 00:47:08
Gina. 00:47:11
Trying to get an understanding of where it's coming from. 00:47:13
Over the days and. 00:47:16
I'm sure you'll tell us that here. 00:47:19
OK. Thank you very much. 00:47:28
So, so this is that 5050 sidewalk policy and take it's just one page, yes. 00:47:39
Hey, you're, you're up. 00:47:49
So her current city ordinance? 00:47:52
There is a 5050 sidewalk offshore program where the ordinance allows. 00:47:56
The city to reimburse the homeowner 50% of the cost of replacement sidewalk up to a city share $1000. 00:48:03
And as you can see on the. 00:48:14
The staff report. 00:48:17
The budget has been set at $20,000 for the past three fiscal years. 00:48:20
And in the past three fiscal years, we have spent 7200 dollars, 3030 dollars and 3050 dollars respectively. So we're not. 00:48:25
Getting or we're not spending that budget all the way. 00:48:38
So. 00:48:42
We also receive a lot of requests for cost share programs for serving gutter, which is not currently part of that ordinance. 00:48:43
And so we would just like some Council input on. 00:48:53
Keeping the budget the same, but expanding the 5050 program to include. 00:48:58
So like like the sidewalk? 00:49:07
Is also the homeowner responsible that that typically was the same? Typically, no. That being said, this would be specifically for 00:49:10
those requests that we get. But they don't. They're not quite bad enough for the city to put them on our priority list. 00:49:19
But. 00:49:31
We're sharing the cost with the homeowner they're going to. 00:49:32
Partially responsible and manage the contractor that reset of staff time and makes that program. 00:49:37
Go further. 00:49:46
The sidewalks, the homeowner, but the curve and gutter is us, correct? 00:49:50
I'm not Joe that in this. 00:49:55
Ordered it's actually states that they cook. There is also. 00:50:00
Oh OK so so curving gutter also is the same primary responsibilities of homeowner for just extending then? 00:50:05
What we're doing the 5050 plan, not just the sidewalk at thirty others, both of which are Otherwise they're almost impossible. 00:50:14
So where I live work. 00:50:25
They don't have any sidewalk. There's a lot of places like that. You just have the. 00:50:27
Just a gutter. 00:50:32
That's really my responsibility. 00:50:35
But this is so, this is sad. That's why. I mean, there's a lot of places like that and they're old and in bad shape. So I would 00:50:37
think. 00:50:40
Well, they should be good when they want to consider next year. 00:50:45
Message because a lot of people obviously feel done with that. 00:50:50
Activities available to increase the budget. But yeah, I think it should be offered because there's a lot of places that. 00:50:54
That there is, you know, just we don't really get into. 00:51:00
Back and forth with the public pressure. 00:51:05
Yeah, I agree, there's most of my district. 00:51:10
Only. 00:51:15
Thing that. 00:51:19
Would be, I think, wonderful and. 00:51:23
Including, you know. 00:51:26
This will make it available. 00:51:28
I would also love, as you mentioned, if we can use the messaging. 00:51:33
About both the sidewalk and the perfect better option because. 00:51:37
I think a lot of people don't know first of all that it's their responsibility and 2nd that that. 00:51:41
Money is available to help cover some of the costs. 00:51:48
This year, since our new website is launched, there's some more information on the website. 00:51:55
So you have journal that you want to consider something in the journal. 00:52:05
To communicate a little bit. 00:52:14
There are doing that external. 00:52:17
Should I or as well? Everybody needs to call on that, on that. 00:52:23
Yeah. 00:52:35
That the ordinance has to be. 00:52:39
I don't think that orders needs to be changed. 00:52:45
The ordinance does allow you. 00:52:50
Sidewalk specific. 00:52:56
So just included. 00:53:01
So you could be glad that you. 00:53:05
Just policy direction from the Council. 00:53:11
What was your question? Well, it was just a point. I actually heard it in here a couple of years ago. 00:53:19
You can inject something down and raise the curve and gutter that's sort of settled and that would save a lot of money versus 00:53:25
replacement and people ought to help out there. 00:53:31
And so let me just say, just so you don't think we're being right, but usually when we get in this portion of the meeting, it's 00:53:40
just the council discussion and if we start opening it up, we'll end up with a big one. So that that's why I said that. But that 00:53:47
is true because I did that, Toshicano did that on my, I had a section that had collapsed down and they force injected. 00:53:54
Epoxy or concrete or something to lift it up levels. 00:54:03
I'm not sure how the residents about that. 00:54:06
Okay. 00:54:12
All right. 00:54:15
Happy healthy holidays. This is also in your packet and we'll follow along with you as you go, everybody. 00:54:19
Connecting. I was just kind of familiar, really brief overview of how we got. 00:54:28
And they couldn't provide all the results, so I'll keep this. 00:54:35
Oh, there's an issue. 00:54:39
Yeah, I. 00:54:43
Don't want to stop? 00:54:46
I'm so sorry, I just know that I don't want it. 00:54:54
I'll be the challenges of our. 00:55:02
So I'll just do a quick introduction, but in 2016 formerly. 00:55:16
Really strong interest of public health and so he was a champion of the Happy Healthy Holiday Group working with South County 00:55:23
Health Department for younger years. 00:55:28
So as our group talked about that, we decided to hire public health insurance and that person would be just through a strategic 00:56:09
planning process, we hired Meg and she can tell you more about herself and why she. 00:56:15
Still qualified to leave this effort. 00:56:21
We've been really happy with where we've gotten and you all are familiar. A couple of months ago we were able to secure a 00:56:24
settlement grant which was offered by Meg and that gave us funding to create a public health or leader position, which made us 00:56:31
been serving in for about a month ish. Yeah. And then it also gives us the programming sense so that we can actually implement 00:56:38
some of the things that we'll be discovering through the process. 00:56:45
So I'm going to make this you can. 00:56:52
Question. 00:56:56
I don't wanna ask you for a while about funding. I supposed to grant you fund it. 00:56:57
Yes, it was and may have some information on that. I know there was a recent the Supreme Court decision. Yeah, I thought, I 00:57:01
thought you blew up. So no, we're gonna talk about it and it's great. 00:57:07
So thank you I. 00:57:16
I called this. I put together a whole presentation. I actually like to see me on track. 00:57:19
But please feel free of course, to interrupt. I don't think I'm happy to and. 00:57:25
This presentation of her treating community health between our roots and cultivating our potential. 00:57:33
So just a brief overview kind of where we're going. I'm going to give you an introduction to me and then talk about holidays, area 00:57:38
opportunity. That's the positive spin on the public health challenges that we're constructing the Salt Lake County Health 00:57:46
Department called marriage opportunity, opioid settlement grants and then human care, which is the strategic framework that we 00:57:54
have started to implement and a community readiness assessment that I recently. 00:58:02
Completed and then how we can promote health and quality. 00:58:11
And the philosopher? 00:58:16
Someone might give me a 5 minute? 00:58:19
So first of all, I'm a holiday. I grew up here so I had to put common wall up there. Everyone, everyone is my age, divided their 00:58:22
time from home, school and taught them all. 00:58:27
And I absolutely loved Brian Holiday, but today I'm a PhD candidate in the Archaeology department at the University of Utah. My 00:58:34
area focuses. 00:58:39
Or I could say the lens that I got the research through is called behavioral apology and my research focus is on how the child 00:58:45
rearing environment influences toddler and infants responses to both postocial and anti social behaviour. So specifically I'm 00:58:52
interested in exposure to violence and how that affects. 00:59:00
And social protection. 00:59:08
So I have long been interested in a career in public health. I feel like behavioral ecology has great tools that are complementary 00:59:10
to the tools used by the by public health professionals and I needed to just. 00:59:18
Convince them that we could be calling them and all work together and benefit one another. And I've had some success in this. So 00:59:26
as I was considering internship opportunities in public health specifically. 00:59:33
There were there were several that I was so excited at the prospect of improving health in my home department. I just had such a 00:59:41
connection to this community. A lot of my family still live here, including my mom and my aunt, uncle. 00:59:50
My nieces attend Olympic high School, so I have a lot of. 01:00:00
Interest and involvement in the community, even though I don't decide here for me. 01:00:05
And then as I was investigating the public health challenges or the area of opportunity and holiday, I was really. 01:00:11
Certain that this was being progressed and in fact this is the only internship I ended up in science, so I'm glad you felt like. 01:00:20
So, and the reason is because the challenges, and we'll go over those in a minute, for the various opportunities are things that 01:00:28
my own family has been touched by or had been wanted and specifically the ones that are highly stigmatized. So those are mental 01:00:33
health challenges. 01:00:39
Depression and just, you know, seven or more days and then also opioid overdose. So three months prior to applying to the decision 01:00:45
medical password. 01:00:50
So I just knew that I had the experience to address these concerns with empathy and the education to. 01:00:57
Apply evidence based practices. 01:01:07
That's a little bit about me and how I can figure. So my first task was interpreting holidays data. 01:01:10
And this is the top ten areas of opportunity is identified by Salt Lake County Health Department. 01:01:18
I won't go over all of them, but I will go over the top five. So number one is drug and opioid poisoning deaths and that is a per 01:01:27
capita figure that you're looking at. So per 100,000, obviously that is not the population current holidays. It was an objective 01:01:34
figure so that we can be compared to other cities. 01:01:40
In the county. 01:01:48
And our city rate has been three, the county rate is 22.8. So that's they identified that as our top priority. The second one is 01:01:49
doctor diagnosed asthma in adults. The third is depression prevalence. The 4th is suicide death. 01:01:58
And then the 5th is 7 or more days of poor mental health results. 01:02:09
So with all of that in mind. 01:02:13
Umm, I started to do a really deep dive into these data. 01:02:19
The coalition members. 01:02:25
When they were first presented with it, they really just wanted to know more about where these data came from. 01:02:28
Who? Who do they represent? 01:02:36
Who is responding? 01:02:38
And then they also wanted to know what are the implications? But most of all they wanted to know how can we talk? 01:02:41
So as I dug into the data. 01:02:47
I it's important to note that for health data, specifically primary data, which is what I prefer to work with a scientist, is not 01:02:51
always available because privacy concerns. So very often what we receive is interpreted data. So data that protects privacy of 01:02:59
individuals that are represented in a report. But our partners and our friends over at the health department were wonderful in 01:03:07
walking through the data with me and providing me with this. I and I am persistent. 01:03:14
It hasn't so many questions and I try not to let anything get ID, so they were wonderful in providing me with a ton of information 01:03:23
on each one of these things. 01:03:28
Which included sometimes breakdowns and reports. Again, interpreted if there are less than 11 individual occurrences, they can't 01:03:34
provide any kind of individual trouble data. So to the best of their ability they provided me with as much primary data as they 01:03:39
could and. 01:03:45
It was. 01:03:52
It was, you know, a really eye opening experience for me so. 01:03:53
We'll start with that first question that the Happy Happy Holiday Coalition had, which is where do these data come from and who 01:04:00
they represent so. 01:04:04
This kind of, it's a little representation of holiday public health data. So some data like census indicators, they do reflect 01:04:09
estimates in the blue outline, which corresponds to the city boundaries. 01:04:16
But some data like health indicators that these are annual surveys that are conducted. 01:04:25
They indicate well. They correspond to the zip code on April. 01:04:34
So. 01:04:40
Any questions about that before? 01:04:41
So. 01:04:45
Basically this means that. 01:04:46
The. 01:04:50
The issues representatives were likely under. 01:04:52
We're not holiday those. 01:04:57
Areas are residential areas. 01:05:00
So and then I have been doing some. 01:05:03
All of this represents what we call quantitative data. I've been doing qualitative data gathering, so a lot of interviews are 01:05:09
getting to that minute and that supports as well as some of those more in depth data that I was able to obtain from the health 01:05:16
department that supports that. This is likely under representing the issue. 01:05:24
So. 01:05:32
We started implementing a strategic framework initially that all coalition's light to try and adjust. 01:05:37
We talked about, but it was. 01:05:46
A program that was being highlighted by the health department, by college health department and although its development was 01:05:48
research based, it didn't have evidentiary support yet. It was a pilot program and. 01:05:54
So. 01:06:02
As many of you have heard, we just talked about. 01:06:05
Companies that were not for new pharma. 01:06:10
So they are not there from this. 01:06:15
They have their own settlement. 01:06:18
They finalized $26 million deal with state companies and. 01:06:20
And this money was distributed to States and then states all developed their own plans on how to distribute money and they gave 01:06:25
Utah and then the county, Salt Lake County decided to distribute it to local health coalition. And there is an abundance of 01:06:33
research and evidence to support that decision as being really sound. When you addressing a small community level, they can be 01:06:40
more. 01:06:48
When it comes to public health. 01:06:55
So. 01:06:57
They and community LED coalition are one place we can do that. 01:07:00
So because of, you know, our #1 area of opportunity being related to overdose. 01:07:04
We were really well positioned to apply for this grant and. 01:07:11
We as cognition act of the grant and we were able to obtain something. We were awarded $72,185 of this year. That would be more 01:07:17
this year that will work to be repeated. Two more things. 01:07:25
And as long as we live up our obligations, we will receive that for another 2 cycles. 01:07:33
And we all split up. 01:07:39
So any questions? 01:07:42
Let me make sure. 01:07:45
So I'll just ask. 01:07:51
Other settlements since we have come in. 01:07:55
Agreement. There's one that is pending my. 01:07:59
Taking care of for and that's something that also gave me. 01:08:03
Contribute to that larger. 01:08:15
So. 01:08:33
These funds enabled us to. 01:08:34
To invest in the communities that care should be your framework, and this strategic framework was selected because of its strong 01:08:39
evidentiary support. 01:08:43
It's in the process that promotes positive development and seeks to present prevent problem behaviors before they happen. So 01:08:50
behavior. 01:08:54
There's an abundance of evidence that this is an effective process of fostering a sort of environment for youth that allows them 01:09:02
to release pride. 01:09:06
And. 01:09:10
As you can see by these numbers that it's really great investment for communities. So in their research that they've done in 01:09:12
longitudinal research as indicated in communities. 01:09:17
That spend, for every dollar they spend on community care, they get that $11.14. So they save or receive 11 up to $11.14 and lower 01:09:23
criminal justice system project healthcare costs. 01:09:31
And increase. 01:09:40
And that is relative to communities that were that have a dangerous profile but did not implement to you. 01:09:42
So one of the best features is that it's Community Center and it's community. 01:10:00
And as I mentioned, there's just kind of evidence of that is the way to go and. 01:10:07
So during the initial phase you can see stage 1 assessment readiness. So I conducted a community reading assessment to determine 01:10:13
holiday readiness to address specifically in the community. It involved informal interviews with both coalition members and with 01:10:21
and then semi structured interviews with community members from various sectors. 01:10:29
And All in all, I've conducted 20 interviews. 01:10:39
With community members that conducted 9. 01:10:43
So responses were then coded and analyzed. 01:10:51
The survey will be announced process is called the Triathlon Survey and it was developed by the Triathlonic Central Prevention 01:10:54
Research at Colorado State University. It's been really rigorously tested and validated reliability of costs, communities and 01:11:02
cultures. So this again is a method that has a lot of evidence in it. 01:11:09
It highlights. 01:11:17
Oh, I should mention, so these are the sectors that I interview. When I say I talk to community members, you want to, in order to 01:11:20
get representative sample, you want to make sure that you are interviewing community members from various sectors. So the sectors 01:11:26
that we chose to focus on were healthcare, education, law, parents, youth, media and business. 01:11:33
Suggested that we. 01:11:49
Well, the community is. The care framework takes up to a year or possibly more to implement. 01:12:01
And. 01:12:09
Then it can take, you know, up to. 01:12:11
Two to three years to start seeing some shifts in risk and protective factors within your community. So the idea is that you want 01:12:15
to enhance protective factors in the community for you and you want to reduce risk factors. 01:12:21
For your security, some are reducing risk factors deals with the drug and adult behaviors. 01:12:28
In the community, so although it is focused on you. 01:12:34
It doesn't mean we take our eye out with. 01:12:38
Or the town. 01:12:42
His problem with opiate overdose in holiday primarily a younger person I guess and I don't know what where I had a specific so it 01:12:44
could have been just in my head. I had thought that it was primarily an issue of older adults that who were dealing with pretty 01:12:49
easily. 01:12:54
So. 01:13:00
The age group in holiday that. 01:13:02
Tends to be the most affected by overdose is between the age of 35 and 50. 01:13:06
Now this is an answer that is also statistically. You can't know if they have children, but statistically. 01:13:11
They're very likely to have children. 01:13:16
That are still dependent. 01:13:19
This model is focusing on use issues, not and then I'm trying to help them. 01:13:22
Parents as a way to help you, not necessarily to help. 01:13:30
The parents, well. 01:13:35
My primary like I guess it's something you think the use of the primary focus and parents are very secretary. 01:13:37
I'm not comfortable with that. 01:13:48
Qualification. Just simply because I think. 01:13:53
Prevention. 01:13:56
Treatments if we if we want to talk about. 01:13:59
A treatment is particularly so, although prevention does tend to be youth focused because they are so vulnerable and want to 01:14:03
prevent problems before they happen. 01:14:09
It again doesn't mean that adult concerns become secondary or tertiary, means that in order to increase it, it means that in order 01:14:18
to increase protective factors, move forward and decrease risk factors in the community, we do have to focus on development. 01:14:25
But that will have the effect of helping you. 01:14:34
And it isn't. But one is not more important. 01:14:37
Yeah. 01:14:41
But yeah, prevention science does. 01:14:48
Does focus on. 01:14:52
And but it doesn't mean that our efforts will all be. 01:14:55
OK, so again these are the. 01:15:07
Sectors that we focus on where I conducted these semi structured interviews and. 01:15:10
Then engaged in coding analysis. 01:15:16
And. 01:15:20
The results indicated so they identified 9 stages of readiness from no awareness to community ownership of an issue. We are at 01:15:21
stage 3 and holiday which is big awareness. 01:15:26
Is that with respect to? 01:15:37
And again, this is because this isn't because that will be our only focus, this is because the grant funding I. 01:15:43
That we received. 01:15:51
Did like our grant that we wrote and we offered, did highlight hopefully misuse as you know one of our top priorities. So we just 01:15:53
are starting it. 01:15:57
This was actually really positive because if you see, the next step is pre planning. 01:16:05
So knowing what the community readiness is. 01:16:09
Means that we can tailor messages for the community based on where they are. If they have no awareness, we would definitely want 01:16:13
to start with a messaging campaign that was, you know, sensitive and thoughtful. But. 01:16:22
All. 01:16:31
All indications are that we can have, you know, a shorter messaging campaign and move pretty quickly into. 01:16:33
Which is a great basement, honestly. 01:16:40
And I did want to mention. 01:16:43
That although. 01:16:48
You know, the assessment really highlights all of these stages of readiness. I was so impressed with just every single respondent, 01:16:50
their their compassion, their desire to help community members. This is a community that is really characterized, I think by. 01:17:00
Their neighborhood and compassion for their for their development and that's. 01:17:12
Pretty incredible. 01:17:16
I. 01:17:18
So next steps for as we're implementing, even though we're still in the early stages of implementing the community care framework, 01:17:21
you can still engage in some Friday group practices to start addressing some of these challenges right away. One of those is logic 01:17:28
models. 01:17:34
So they can help us identify local conditions that will help us tailor specific intervention strategies or support strategies for 01:17:42
the community. And I use two of the things are our top two issues. 01:17:49
Which was overdosed death. 01:17:59
And then diagnose Dr. diagnose asthma. And you can see the data that I am referencing here to bolster my assertions. So the 01:18:00
utility business index and the holiday report. 01:18:08
So for example with overdose deaths, the problem is that overdose death the root cause this is based on. 01:18:17
Holidays data specifically is holiday or is opioid misuse and a high rate of suicide. So remember that suicide deaths were on our 01:18:28
top five list as well and that those deaths are counted twice. So if you commit suicide. 01:18:37
By overdose and you overdosed on an opioid or. 01:18:48
And open within your. 01:18:52
System at the time of overdose. Your death will be counted as an opioid overdose, as an overdose, and as a suicide. 01:18:55
So all of that is in there. 01:19:05
So it it certainly is contributing to the the rate of overhead. 01:19:11
I mean, put a lot of the, I mean, I'm not an expert on. 01:19:17
The stock experience of habit, but there's a lot of it is. 01:19:26
Not suicide. Yeah, most of it is. 01:19:29
So but it even even a few cases which we know there are at least a few cases of opioid overdose deaths and holidays specifically 01:19:32
that were. 01:19:38
So even that will contribute to the rate. 01:19:45
And nationally? 01:19:55
The research suggests that about 11% of overdose deaths that are characterized as accidental are. 01:19:59
So it's again an underreported figure. 01:20:08
But so those are the root causes contributing to the overdose death and then the local condition. 01:20:14
That the data suggests that we also know are correlated with. 01:20:21
Opioid. 01:20:28
Our feelings of despair and financial stress related to high health. 01:20:30
So #2. 01:20:37
And I just wanted to illustrate that you can use this little full public health issues doctor diagnosed asthma through cause. What 01:20:40
we know about asthma, individual factors, allergies, air pollution. These are factors that exist in holiday Again, there are other 01:20:46
causes, but these are the ones that the data is ingesting this in holiday the local condition. We have a dentistry canopy and 01:20:53
while that the positives and the benefits that far outweigh. 01:20:59
This consequence. 01:21:06
In areas of proclamation that have both high particulate matter and advanced tree canopy, they have higher rates of that one. 01:21:08
Related to allergy induced asthma it. 01:21:18
It's part of that, that cocktail that's in the air of the Christian matter in the fallen. 01:21:21
So the other thing is traffic, traffic volume, because we have freeways nearby and some busy streets. 01:21:26
And then again matter the traffic volume of particular matter are not necessarily. 01:21:34
Note that I said dense tree canopy, so I use like an adjective to suggest that it is personally down here that is true. So that is 01:21:44
the one condition that is unique to holiday from our neighbors that you know separates us from the other. So Mill Creek have 01:21:50
similar traffic volume. 01:21:57
So it's really the density stand up to me. 01:22:06
But that helps us guide support and intervention strategies. 01:22:10
Do a campaign about changing the airport from your home in your car. 01:22:15
I think we use the apple. 01:22:20
Of my God. 01:22:27
OK. Any questions? 01:22:29
All right, so next step. 01:22:33
This I love this quote. If you want help we must come out so often when you see a. 01:22:37
Public health messaging if I don't smoke in the mission. 01:22:43
Which really sounds wrong method strictly to use, but across the board of a strong message so. 01:22:47
One of the things that we would like to do next is there is a grant that is from Parents Empowered, which helps parents facilitate 01:22:56
conversation, that helps facilitate conversations between parents and children about avoiding underage. 01:23:03
And they are offering a grant and we would like to use to apply for that grant and then to use the funding. 01:23:11
To promote a positive messaging campaign. This is just an example of what I'm talking about so. 01:23:18
Our sharp survey data indicates that although most local teams. That's what I want to highlight. Most local teams choose not to 01:23:26
drink, which is why I like this. Most teams choose not to bake this. 01:23:32
So multitudes, that's great, but those who are engaging in underage drinking are taking alcohol in their homes. 01:23:38
Or they're getting it from it from an adult in their life, so. 01:23:45
It it also indicates that although most parents are really setting their boundaries with their teens, that they're not regularly 01:23:50
reinforcing that message. And that is an important issue. So we can use positive messaging to highlight your attitude that are 01:23:56
favorable sort of staying from alcohol and that encourages personal behavior. And then we can also highlight the benefits of 01:24:03
reinforcing those boundaries for and healthy behaviors of your team. 01:24:09
So those are kind of our next steps. 01:24:17
Thank you. All right. 01:24:21
I should mention that I. 01:24:25
Or my research background primatology and never studied or anything but I love them so much and I feel sad I Google baby or 01:24:28
anything. 01:24:32
I just want one quick. 01:24:40
I think it's just a statement of the obvious, but if you go back to that kind of that ladder there. 01:24:42
I'm assuming that. 01:24:50
You will be coming back and trying to move us. We'll be going to move up that ladder and then are you going to? 01:24:52
So you've identified problems. 01:25:01
Are we going to be measuring that along the way to see if we're making any progress? No. I'm actually going to go back to this if 01:25:05
I may. And you can see that it's assessed community readiness, get organized community level profile young people's problem 01:25:10
behaviors, develop a plan based on effective strategies, implement and evaluate and then you do it again. So there is a constant 01:25:16
of evaluation and implementation. 01:25:22
I'll be really curious to see how this goes because, you know, I see those issues out in the community. 01:25:29
And, and hopefully we'll come up with being come up with. 01:25:38
Action items that we can measure that show we're actually impacting this. 01:25:43
Saying we've got this problem. 01:25:48
Oh absolutely. And I'm very, I mean I think at the coalition is very solution oriented and. 01:25:50
And they are. 01:26:00
Prevention focus. And so they really are looking toward reducing. 01:26:03
Those negative outcomes again. 01:26:07
One of the best things to do that is to decrease risk factors in the community and increase. 01:26:11
So that's what. 01:26:17
Any questions? 01:26:20
Thanks so much, great presentation. 01:26:23
OK. 01:26:31
And the last time which will be tackling here is the springtime presentation MHTA groups here I think we'll talk how to set this 01:26:34
up. 01:26:40
This is kind of combination of all the work and it might be helpful. 01:26:46
You guys just pulled chairs up and crowded? Yeah, but. 01:26:53
Secretary, Focus. 01:26:59
Hello, Brian and his team are setting up always providing another quick background or you know where we're going tonight. 01:27:08
For the past five months we've been working with MH 10, their team, to develop a master plan concept for the streaming. 01:27:15
Property Opportunity. 01:27:22
So this is the first step in a process that will continue over the next couple years as we work with Granite School District to 01:27:24
contention developers. 01:27:28
So tonight what we're going to look at in the master plan document and the hope is at the end of the presentation of the. 01:27:33
Feedback and guidance so we can then do a master plan adoption. 01:27:42
Which would go to the Planning Commission person, they are trying to explain this at the beginning of the council meeting and then 01:27:47
would come back to you for adoption. So if you formally included in our general. 01:27:51
And visit the smaller and master plan which is an image. The journal plan should be reviewing it. 01:27:57
I was wrong about that responded to. 01:28:06
Client information question it goes back. 01:28:09
So there would be a public period, Planning Commission level and then a public hearing with the recommendation from the Planning 01:28:12
Commission of this year. 01:28:16
Public hearing of the City Council level. 01:28:21
And of course, the Council would be the legislative body that would give up the smaller international plan sort of thing. 01:28:26
I was just. 01:28:34
Didn't understand that correctly. I think it wasn't going to be a rezoning so I thought the Planning Commission wasn't called. 01:28:36
Thank you for the opportunity to work. 01:28:43
The last five months is a generational opportunity holiday and. 01:28:54
Who would say that he knows that we. 01:28:59
We love working with yourself, Excellent staff. 01:29:03
That great interaction with them that pushed us at times in a real great way on behalf of Holiday. 01:29:07
Appreciate the City Council. 01:29:14
Start their time together. 01:29:16
Look repetitions in the biggest presentation. We've updated it very specific new. 01:29:40
Well, if I just briefly envision goals and I install the. 01:29:52
That isn't profoundly close. 01:29:55
To that and. 01:30:00
Hundreds of your concept. 01:30:08
See, no, I'm talking about cost. 01:30:12
And then we'll take questions. What happened to by the way. 01:30:16
At any point. 01:30:20
Question about. 01:30:23
So just as a reminder. 01:30:30
We developed principles with steel millions. 01:30:32
Remember, this is a local park. 01:30:39
Kind of be something digital, provide something welcome to this neighborhood holiday residents general. They also connect with 01:30:41
community wants to be single. This is called a site. 01:30:48
And then flexible with regards programming. It's something for everyone. 01:30:55
And then we build upon. 01:31:01
So the fact that one of you take us. 01:31:23
So yes. 01:31:31
Consultant and just really enjoyed. 01:31:34
Getting to meet the residents and work with your. 01:31:38
Staff as well. 01:31:41
When we start the project, we thought, you know, we probably need to speak with the homes that order along the site. Now those 01:31:43
folks probably have a good idea of what's happening outside of, you know, school hours on the weekends, what they can problematic. 01:31:52
And we also wanted to make sure we were in advancing ideas that the most immediately case residents might be allowed. Yeah. So we 01:32:00
handle over notices to the parties that back onto the site and invited into the workshop. 01:32:09
Where we did some. 01:32:20
Visiting around what the goals were, we talked a little bit about the site, the school, the building itself for use. 01:32:22
And then we talked about what? 01:32:29
And amenities might be desired in the community, what's happening at the site already and that kind of. 01:32:31
Kicked us off into a broader. 01:32:39
Early concept or set of concepts and also that and informed the survey that you sent out more broadly to the community through the 01:32:42
newsletter and a website and that was also. 01:32:47
Shared by social media and Long Science. 01:32:53
Here at City Hall. 01:32:56
At your monument Plaza. 01:32:59
And at the school itself. 01:33:02
We had. 01:33:06
600 responses about. 01:33:08
More that range, yeah, we had a great response rate. People were. 01:33:11
Very happy to leave us written comments as well as their questions. So that was a lot of fun for our team to go through and figure 01:33:17
through the comments. We took that data. 01:33:22
And really honed in on the concepts and that then brought last time. So now we're kind of here at the end. We have not published 01:33:27
the draft plan because we don't want to get out in front of you in terms of things that. 01:33:36
May not make sense for holiday in the long term, so we want to make sure that whatever. 01:33:48
We push out as the draft plans to the public online through your newsletters. We also ask people to give us their e-mail addresses 01:33:53
so we can send an e-mail back out to this participated. Is there a timeline for that? I was for the neighborhood meeting recently. 01:34:00
There was some complaint that there hadn't been. They signed up for feedback and haven't gotten anything. 01:34:07
Today, I think it your comments are like there hasn't been a plan to do anything intermediate from this. We did, we did. We did 01:34:18
put an update on the website. 01:34:22
Because we weren't going to come. 01:34:27
At the same day that you had your budget and we thought that's probably not the right time so. 01:34:29
All of that. 01:34:43
Well, I saw. 01:34:50
We want to work in conjunction with you to not. 01:34:53
Show visual pictures associated. 01:34:58
And you know, right, and the team we're going to talk about suggest. 01:35:02
Department hate for people to say no no, you said this is in phase one and. 01:35:06
For whatever reason, that parity changes, so the intent is as soon as we are able to for free. 01:35:11
Theoretically, you're not. 01:35:17
You know, well, of course changes and we can push that out. We'll have the opportunity for public comments. 01:35:20
Sort of just in. 01:35:27
Via e-mail. 01:35:30
And then versus, you said they were able to share that comment. 01:35:32
So just briefly, we did have that resident workshop, we did stakeholder interviews, which I didn't mention before. We spoke with 01:35:41
your key stakeholders that are adjacent to reflected by the property. So that includes school districts, Salt Lake City, Salt 01:35:48
County Parks and Rec. 01:35:54
Which is the Soccer League that spends a lot of practice time at this location. 01:36:01
We also spoke with the Country Club of their the most recent opera location area. 01:36:06
And the obvious church that's not on here because we haven't gotten a meeting with them in the update of this. 01:36:14
So the healthiest church that you may or may not know the parking lot. 01:36:21
School personnel are adjacent to each other, excuse me. They often overflow for an event, will use one or the other and folks tend 01:36:26
to drive either way through through the parking lot. So we wanted to make sure that this change that there was some sort of 01:36:35
agreement in place to allow for that kind of shared use and shared access. So that is a follow up item that we will suggest. 01:36:43
Salt Lake County person Rec has a big master plan for the holiday Lions. 01:36:53
Cottonwood, Cottonwood Park, that's in the works. And so that's a big Regional Park. We wanted to understand what it means would 01:37:00
go there and how this complement rather than track from that. 01:37:05
Job parks came up. So that's an action item that we need to follow up on. We would suggest is followed up on with the county as 01:37:12
well. 01:37:16
And then obviously the school district for. 01:37:21
As we. 01:37:26
Reviewed the 680 responses. These were the top most requested. Write in amenities not included at dog park. 01:37:30
Slash pad or water, clay, bike and pump, track, pickleball, walking, jogging, pallets, seating and shade. Whether that was shaped, 01:37:40
structures, trees, just more shaped. 01:37:45
And although people always extremely popular, there were a few comments. 01:37:53
About noise and. 01:37:56
I would add to that there were a handful of really strong comments around keeping the history of the site reflected in something 01:38:07
in the future. So get everything from a memorial bench from a teacher and called out to us and. 01:38:16
And asked to be preserved to things like the World Geometric facade or the courtyard or other aspects of the building. So those 01:38:26
came from the community as well as from our team. 01:38:31
Some people mentioned the tree. 01:38:41
It's a great question. We had that conversation on site. 01:38:45
So the good news is there's not a lot of divergent in the public comment, right? We saw pretty strong sentiments for those top. 01:38:55
Amenities that go on really with the kinds of use we're seeing, the survey results, people are on board for this as a community 01:39:06
park. 01:39:10
That offers. 01:39:15
Welcome Pastor kids and games that played also. 01:39:19
Every everybody needs a walk or exercise, one gathered, and it sounds like you may have heard similar comments tonight. 01:39:22
So these are a few of the frequently asked questions. We heard the community pool and splash pad or water today was a big one that 01:39:35
did come through a lot if he'll comment and I think. 01:39:40
Really the issue there is thinking about the long term ownership and maintenance and cost of of a site that the city does not own 01:39:46
as well as just implications for that kind of amenity in the city of this size. 01:39:53
And there was some discussion about which which structures are being used or reused and why are we not. And I think we can talk 01:40:01
about that a little bit more. 01:40:06
The dog park, again, most people have asked for dog park, but there was some question about why that hurts, why dog park would 01:40:12
make sense there. So just you know, honestly better enforcement and. 01:40:18
Clean up laws of keeping an area that's designated away from other types of play. 01:40:26
Which tends to be kind of the most common concerns. 01:40:33
And then this was not really a question that I heard from the public, but we wanted to make sure that people understood why the 01:40:39
multi fields. 01:40:43
Were shown in all of the concepts when we spoke with the neighbors we. 01:40:47
Talked about water use and. 01:40:51
Got up on a church and whether anybody was concerned and most people that we talked to were surprised that we would. 01:40:56
Asked because they really. 01:41:04
Understood in life the fact that kids were playing soccer. There was a welcome change from some of the other projects of public 01:41:07
engagement I've done Where. 01:41:11
You know, we we understand we're in a water situation and as a soccer mom, I can tell you that we drive all over the valley to 01:41:16
find facilities. And so if you want people to understand if there was a question why that link is. 01:41:24
Headquartered between the two slow campuses there near Sterling. There's a functional effort aspect to that. Absolutely. I mean, 01:41:34
every time we went to visit, we went to visit the site of the group and I've been a few other times outside of soccer and there 01:41:39
are always people there. 01:41:45
Enjoying the site, laying on the lawn, kids are playing or picnicking their dogs, and whether there's soccer, no soccer people are 01:41:51
utilizing that site for the seats. 01:41:56
So 3 minutes. 01:42:02
And then there's just a little bit more about this decision making process generally. 01:42:04
All right. 01:42:13
A lot of this is somewhat familiar is many of you maybe a little bit more depth enhanced, but. 01:42:21
A lot of the ideas that we presented previously. 01:42:29
Or profoundness, this concept you just. 01:42:34
Sort of refined. 01:42:37
This concept. 01:42:41
Based on continuously commuter and mothers in the community and after some of these meetings and engagement. 01:42:42
He is discussed tonight so. 01:42:50
Real quick, I'm just going to show you. 01:42:53
A vendor. Well, first after we do that, these are some of the. 01:42:57
Images of thoughts he had with him coming up with this design concept we just heard about. 01:43:04
Previous presentation about trees. 01:43:11
Park as well as obvious year. 01:43:35
Great access to natural amenities and. 01:43:38
The mountains. 01:43:41
The Caymans and sort of like I mentioned earlier, it's a young city. 01:43:43
What was the establishment of this? 01:43:49
Decades and. 01:43:58
Looking at how to find the area of a lot of specifically. 01:44:00
Right. Yeah. 01:44:09
So here's here's the. 01:44:13
So this would be like if you're standing. 01:44:16
At the North End side that we can see. 01:44:19
It's. 01:44:23
Northwest Distributing existing parking lot. 01:44:28
And people can see that. 01:44:33
The mountains in the background. 01:44:37
But I'm just kind of like to talk a little bit about some of these at this point. It doesn't really show up on the screen, but 01:44:41
this right here, the comment about the existence of that. 01:44:47
Bearing the existing courtyard of the school and you can kind of see how a lot of the amenities in this area falls in footprint of 01:44:55
the school and I'll talk about it. 01:45:01
So, so again, so this is the existing parking lot. 01:45:11
In Northwest. 01:45:14
We would current right now it's not very well striped and you could definitely have some efficiency to this. So we're looking at 01:45:18
adding some stalls to that. 01:45:23
Along with that. 01:45:31
This is becoming this, this entrance Plaza. We'll talk about that as well. This is that new pavilion. 01:45:34
Near the pickleball courts, and here's that courtyard garden that gets preserved and then also I'd say further enhanced with 01:45:41
additional plantings and, you know, a lot of those trees. 01:45:47
Are pretty changing a lot of church trees, but then there's also some. 01:45:55
More than likely not survive the building at some. 01:45:59
Come down around the metals and. 01:46:03
But there are trees that would be preserved. 01:46:07
And then this would be the new playground area in here. 01:46:12
Move back and put on this rescue location a little bit. We decided that right here. So that would be the best location in terms of 01:46:18
certain at home site as well as a dog park just that. 01:46:24
And of course we have the field. 01:46:34
Trail system you know that is. 01:46:38
Spray would be kind of a paged concrete path. 01:46:40
A different walking circuit, brush, gravel and aggregate provided a variety of walking path options around that. 01:46:46
In terms of. 01:46:56
And preserving other elements of the. 01:46:57
The building and we'll talk a little bit more about this, but you'd have these repurposed trust bridges that friendly location of 01:47:00
the building as well as the purpose Mulan beams from school that helped form this portal up here so. 01:47:09
This is kind of a quick overview. 01:47:22
Come back to that, this question 27. Yeah, that's what it shows. 01:47:26
Everything that's being considered in the match. 01:47:31
When we get to the budget items later, we'll see the identify the phase one and two recommendations and wishes. 01:47:34
Decision making budget should be so the end should be includes everything and we have some of those pieces broken out for you. 01:47:44
Right. One of those things, one of those, one of those items, additional parking off the West. 01:47:54
Right now parking is in this area is not really stepping an issue. Obviously the parking existing parking from the school 01:48:03
dependence you have the parking the church a lot of people is a big damage and. 01:48:09
So. 01:48:19
Depending on demand, your thoughts on how important additional parking do that that's. 01:48:22
Granddaughter. So with this again, this is kind of this idea and we'll talk about kind of the adapter for use ideas. But if you 01:48:28
recognize that kind of geometric facade looking at that, we really want to test. 01:48:36
Probably no way you could preserve or reduce that, but there's a really fun design on this. 01:48:45
Historic and recognizable on the. 01:48:51
Key characteristics of that school. 01:48:54
Somehow reflecting that back applause the design. 01:48:56
Unless that would be kind of arrival clean part. 01:49:00
Pavilion and if you remember last time they got it much larger pavilion that. 01:49:04
Look at me using, basically existing. 01:49:11
Cafeteria. 01:49:17
That so this would be a million and we would use those blue and beans in this burglar here that then would also. 01:49:21
I don't know. 01:49:32
Bridges and things like that. These are this is a playground and again, this is just a concept. Obviously this would get reworked 01:49:36
in further. 01:49:41
Phases of design, but kind of give there's an idea of the size and possibilities there. 01:49:47
And. 01:49:53
Instead of a quick look at this kind of floor area. 01:49:55
You've seen a lot of the first elements. 01:49:59
One of the details currently the. 01:50:02
Just the big cost saving and then also concern people. 01:50:10
In your life. 01:50:15
Also. 01:50:19
So. 01:50:25
And so Peter showed the. 01:50:28
Proposed design features that really kind of came from the existing building. Again, here's that geometric facade reflected in 01:50:30
this Plaza of these blue lampines or libraries and anything those that give you purpose. It's a verbal element and then it's 01:50:38
extending that bridges. 01:50:45
Be preserved enhanced for this existing. 01:50:53
You can hear just some more images, so this is. 01:51:01
That formula? 01:51:04
Of the existing ruling of beings has a bit of an idea of what that could be and how that could look is all ages player player you 01:51:06
know one side is maybe on track but not like for adults more for younger kids like that. 01:51:15
And then again, there's that those courtyards with the bridge on and Mississippi the new pavilion. 01:51:26
Would be helpful to stop and ask questions or should I move into facing? 01:51:43
So this is Richard. I mean, we don't. 01:51:47
This is more of a spacing placeholder stuff because we get into the details later in terms of the playgrounds or like I had a 01:51:51
question about the walkway around, you mentioned it being concrete. When would we talk about, well, we really want that to be 01:51:59
concrete or do we want it to be a softer walking surface? That's not yeah, that's not really for now, right, right. That's just 01:52:06
kind of to present those design options and ideas and. 01:52:14
My only question, I would bring this up and I still have real reservation stuff at dog park. I think we need to think about that 01:52:22
but if this is just. 01:52:27
Maybe that's a placeholder right now and. 01:52:34
When's the right time to have that debate with results? 01:52:38
Because I hate that. I hate to have that go forward. 01:52:44
I don't know how strongly other council members feel about it. 01:52:47
Or if it is finally as a placeholder with a side note that there's concerns about whether this is a proper use here. 01:52:54
You know, I'd almost rather lose the the pump track features over there. Maybe that would be something. I don't know what's the 01:53:03
proper time for that this process, but whatever is right for you all but but in the moving forward notes we had. 01:53:09
Continued conversation for the counties. 01:53:19
I would like my concern noted. 01:53:22
I might be happy to look back and we can tabulate. I think we had a count, I just don't have it off the top of my head, but I 01:53:26
think we had a count on the. 01:53:30
Amount of requests for doctor. 01:53:37
And we have heard that one of the schools had posted some. 01:53:39
At an active school, had posted and said. 01:53:44
Don't tell the city you don't want you know you want a dog person to help here. 01:53:48
And we went back and cross referenced the results and we did not see a good significant spike in her dog park responses of days or 01:53:53
days of the ground was closed. So I would just I guess, but the bottom line is fine if we want to leave it as a placeholder, but. 01:54:02
And I probably won't be around, but I would hope that there would be an example we could go to where somebody could say this is 01:54:11
the dog park and look how successful it is because right now. 01:54:17
From what I hear, they end up getting put in and they get completely torn up and the people with big dogs don't. 01:54:24
They put them off, they show the fields anywhere they can run. They don't keep them in 1/2 acre dog park. And so I just had a lot 01:54:33
of concerns about it. So I'll just note it and then we can bring it up another time. And finally, because the placeholder, as long 01:54:40
as the council agrees that there's maybe a question mark and you may want to reference other cities and what their sort of long 01:54:46
term maintenance costs are, right. I know I live by Fairmont Park and. 01:54:52
The community does a lot of. 01:55:00
Is the city budget doesn't have enough for the maintenance that people want to see there. So that might be an additional thing to 01:55:04
kind of look at news. 01:55:08
What that? 01:55:12
Yeah. 01:55:14
We prepared this specifically for this question. 01:55:18
National Plan. About the presentation. 01:55:21
It's just a quick analysis of park facilities selling at holiday. So you'll notice where you said right in the middle of a one 01:55:24
mile radius gap and provided dog park facilities, but there are many other examples. 01:55:32
Maybe we can find what the great so that have to be convinced and shows absolutely because you know. 01:55:42
Enough drag assessment, you know, we put a lot of money invested in the State Park and. 01:55:52
It's come along with its own sets of problems that. 01:55:59
There's disconnect between ones that public things would be great than the reality of running. 01:56:03
And so well, and to your point about reality today This site is a bit of a de facto. 01:56:08
A copy of that. 01:56:16
The last thing we'll do on this? 01:56:19
Typical average nationwide is about 35% consults. 01:56:24
So if we take a one mile radius. 01:56:29
On this park by 35% through that, it's not 4400. 01:56:31
Potentially. 01:56:38
So we've got 4500 dogs there. 01:56:40
Are 35% of that because it's. 01:56:45
Right. You know, in public city, I don't know how Hollywood was compared, but Salt Lake City has more children than more dogs and 01:56:54
children actually in within this quarter. So so this is a big, I think it's maybe outdoor recreation. 01:57:00
Aspect. 01:57:07
Just for context, when we. 01:57:10
Parking, commute, and this is kind of the first step of design. 01:57:16
So after this we reduce the kind of design we would do a design build RFP. So there's going to be like different refinements that 01:57:20
will get more detail where we could maybe have a more index, have a more in depth conversation. But Ronnie's point, if it's 01:57:25
something that council doesn't want to move forward, you know, the master 10 phase or something you could just do. But no, there 01:57:31
will be more opportunity and more opportunity for public engagement. 01:57:37
So this is step one is design. 01:57:43
Maybe just when we are leading up to that point, it might be helpful to. 01:57:47
Look at dog parks that are working exceptionally well and maybe exceptionally poorly. It's that we can. 01:57:53
Work because we have demand for it. 01:58:05
But I don't want to discount. 01:58:09
You know what? What's going on with? 01:58:12
Well, I tend to agree with you, but I want to make sure that we're really thoughtful and how we would do it so that we have the 01:58:14
highest likelihood of making it successful. That would be the design phase. 01:58:21
Too much sounds. 01:58:30
I just don't want to concede. 01:58:33
The entire park to be an operational park. 01:58:36
So it's either off leash dog park area. 01:58:40
Or we retain the right state, There's no off leash. 01:58:44
In this park. 01:58:49
But then you have to be able to afford it, right? But I think our ability to do so is enhanced if you have an area that is off 01:58:52
leash with some sends a message that the rest of it is because right now people can bring their dogs. 01:58:59
However. 01:59:08
I'll just say this and then we'll close it. 01:59:12
The elementary are all families, right? Oh yeah, that's not you ever have any complaints about leash anyway? 01:59:24
So, yeah, but I think that Holly's point is we're going to get into it. We've committed to a dog. Now let's have a design 01:59:37
discussion about what it ought to be and and probably come to a later date. Well, I guess I wonder, Mayor and Holly and Gina. 01:59:46
If this is going to go to the Planning Commission and this small area master plan, then do you want to label this as? 01:59:56
Doug Park, or. 02:00:04
Something else or tentative because you don't want to what I'm hearing these days, you don't want to pay yourself. Yeah, I do want 02:00:07
to say that because I do have concerns about being labeled that and then assumptions being made that has to go there without a 02:00:13
full debate about whether it's appropriate. 02:00:19
They're gonna come to your house. 02:00:26
So we want to make sure that that's not if that is going to thank Commission, that it's not opposition to maybe putting potential 02:00:29
dog track. 02:00:35
I track. Wasn't that another one that was kind of a. 02:00:43
Or we could leave it as A to be determined area. I think you have. 02:00:54
A any part of the playground area, my address, the look at that so I can. 02:01:01
And if that's if that's where the Council is telling that like. 02:01:09
So not even label it as a possibility to expedition it. 02:01:15
Unfortunate passionate on. What's the series of ideas about paying to go there? I like 3D with a series of ideas like things that 02:01:21
have come up as potential. I like that totally open, but it does concern me that it goes through. 02:01:28
Planning Commission process with the with the dog park in there and then it becomes an assumption that. 02:01:37
Yeah. 02:01:47
I'd be happy with that if there's no danger. 02:01:49
At this stage of the game, yeah, just make sure it's on the list. 02:01:54
Did you get lost? 02:01:58
Yeah. 02:02:03
We heard you loud and clear. 02:02:08
But you are options. So it was really good that you did that on budget. 02:02:11
So I heard you very quickly and we tried to restructure around that one of the things we think you actually must do. 02:02:19
If you decide to settle these in the school. 02:02:27
School District. 02:02:30
I simply didn't realize something was happening with the school building. 02:02:33
We tried to listen to the community and to our human society. We see value of preserving history when we can, but the reality of 02:02:36
the the city meeting, that entire school site. We explore the existing so we think phases one and two issue the existing building 02:02:42
and. 02:02:48
Play area in the South are kind of the base of what you must do. 02:02:55
School district and said that they would demolish that talking about that in just a minute. Let's talk about these cases is that 02:03:02
phase one which is existing building for the most part phase two which is. 02:03:07
South and then the rest of this area where color wishes because we heard from the council. 02:03:14
You don't have to work. We may redo those fields past 3:00 to 4:00. 02:03:18
So we want to give you options. 02:03:26
We don't face him so in phase one. 02:03:28
Over this court. 02:03:32
Like adaptive reuse elements we've talked about. 02:03:34
Courtyard preserving some of the elements of site. 02:03:37
Allowing that courtyard becomes seat wall spaces, right? You see really neat opportunity for people to sit here in shaded areas 02:03:41
and watch children playing. 02:03:45
We did all watch people. 02:03:51
We're playing software. Any other store that has multi-purpose fields. 02:03:53
A new pavilion much smaller than the last time you saw this new construction when we were exploring reusing portions of the 02:03:57
building that was 4 to $5,000,000. We have this in hundreds of thousands of dollars for a nice new pavilion of the 5th. Be very 02:04:03
functional for you because we rented out families and gatherings. 02:04:08
It provides great value. 02:04:15
New restrooms and pickleball courts with no lighting. So that would be your phase one and we roughly gathered these around. 02:04:17
Our experience working in parks that. 02:04:26
Likely this is maybe the first construction, maybe that's your first year. I know this is your center. It could all be done at 02:04:29
once, but. 02:04:33
Oftentimes to get best value from a. 02:04:37
Contract do this work, they like to break it in fences because the crews are not huge and if they need to bring in no people 02:04:40
customer. 02:04:44
So they still would then be new play equipment in this area, the surfacing in the playground area, land seat area, just to cover 02:04:48
some of the questions that come up. We're trying to show play equipment that's kind of all ages and interests. 02:04:55
And again, there's much more designable conceptually small contract for real objects for children. This is not like a big for 02:05:03
children with scooters and small bikes, things like that. There are small adult players. It's a fitness equipment. Some other 02:05:10
pieces that would be of interest to to adults who are here. Children are playing soccer. 02:05:17
Absolutely, we've got a children focused area and then several bouldering walls could also be teen oriented so. 02:05:25
You know all of that's not going to be another week, including some budgetary figures that. 02:05:32
I would capture something along those lines. It would offer something, something to everyone. We see this as a part local to 02:05:37
residents of holiday, right? Our demographics are across the spectrum, so we wanted to provide something for everyone here. And 02:05:44
those are items that did come across in written comment quite a bit. There were requests for. 02:05:50
In the middle of your children's activities, you have little kids playing in a few places, but that sort of, let's say, outgrow 02:05:58
the. 02:06:02
10 to 15 is kind of an odd range, but the building wall and so the pump track, maybe they're a little too big, but some of those 02:06:08
items are really intended to target that. 02:06:15
That's when we would probably reengage the county. 02:06:23
Of big Cottonwood Regional Park and see if they. 02:06:27
Make progress on what they're going to do so we don't duplicate it. That'll be the regional drop, and we want ours to be the local 02:06:31
drop. Absolutely. And then we put amenities in there that address our local needs. 02:06:38
They didn't compete with the regional needs of Big Cop. 02:06:46
Because they have plans to put playground facility in there. 02:06:49
I don't know if this would talk about later, but I wonder if in that first phase we're in school is if we could do some kind of 02:06:56
historical markers or class with documenting interpretive signage is absolutely. I don't know if that there is something 02:07:03
considered would be added later, but I think that would be related. I think it's a great idea. That reminds me as well that we are 02:07:10
showing in the second phase of the memorial bench remains right, historical markers, layer of history really important. 02:07:17
So our historical incidents project. 02:07:25
Yeah. And then? 02:07:31
There will be more opportunity to have those kind of people and eventually. 02:07:33
And one other item. 02:07:39
One about trees, we've talked about preserving the communities as we can. The plan also currently calls for 50 nutrients on the 02:07:41
side. So city of trees, that's something that we heard significantly like holiday. It's known for history county. We're carefully 02:07:48
located try to not want views and elephants, elephants. So that's something that we've been thought through. He really did. I have 02:07:54
to tell you, it's like a they were given like a honeydew list, you know and then we like a lot of these amenities, but we don't 02:08:00
want you to do this this. 02:08:06
The tree running cable because. 02:08:13
The beautiful view that you have of the massive university would also come to the park with. 02:08:16
Kind of not a strong comment, but a frequent 1 all the way around from the from the neighborhood. 02:08:22
Excellent SO. 02:08:31
Alphabet, the wishlist items, these are all the things that you will not have included in the base cost, but which we have cost 02:08:33
for you. Select them if it's helpful, right? That's the purpose of the master plan is to guide your future growth and give you 02:08:38
options to move forward. 02:08:43
So I wish some of the long term things, maybe you don't need to be done right away, but you might want to understand. 02:08:50
Of those costs to be. 02:08:56
Yeah. 02:09:03
Take a couple weeks if you have any pages one and two and then we determine that will be the cost of each other, so. 02:09:04
On the wish list right now. 02:09:11
Interactive trail systems along the perimeter. 02:09:13
Fence dog park. I know that. 02:09:16
Has the last one on this. 02:09:18
But what's? 02:09:21
Syndrome is 1/2 acre. 02:09:22
Fence park primarily decomposed granite as the base layer with under under grade drainage systems which is the best practice. It 02:09:25
should be water sanitizing frequent places, spring and one of the perimeter and rolling hills and features for dog owners and 02:09:31
smaller. 02:09:37
We've done quite a bit of research about others. 02:09:44
That is all. So just just know, we know this is changing. I heard that tonight, but that's where our conversations have gone in 02:09:47
response to this question. 02:09:51
But multi-purpose filter working today if you'd like to attend some. 02:09:57
Because each other. 02:10:04
That's a big part of the irrigation. So is that is the cost for the enhancing local firm skills primarily infuriation or is it 02:10:09
primarily like broken up for you? 02:10:15
That's a great question. We have it broken out and like I said, pushing us to get details because I think they know that that's 02:10:24
that you're looking for. So we've got that ready for you. 02:10:29
Additional parking. 02:10:36
Want to understand how much we could add and what it would cost? 02:10:38
In conversations with the Church of Jesus Christ. 02:10:42
They feel like there's a nice symbiotic relationship where when they're busy on Sundays. 02:10:45
Sometimes they. 02:10:52
Over in this lot and you're busy with Soccer Saturdays and other things. 02:10:55
Didn't sound like they wanted to put that in writing. 02:11:01
OK, with the list of working, they did want to formalize and update the agreement for access. 02:11:04
So that was one of the positives that came out of our conversations that willing to formalize that agreement and maintain that 02:11:10
access. 02:11:14
Did you have something? 02:11:18
Item number four, which is the existing parking. 02:11:21
The fight is new, correct? That is correct. Five would be new, four would be updating and reconfiguring the existing one. 02:11:26
You tell us. We we thought. 02:11:36
Exactly so the payphone cost. 02:11:46
Right now include kind of just slurring it and right now don't have anything on the park. 02:11:49
Assume the parking remains as I mean, I understand the five might be a discussion about in place three years whether we need the 02:11:56
additional parking, but this is right here you go. 02:12:03
OK, go ahead. But by all means it's not in there right now. So, so phase one and phase two, just say the number right after they 02:12:12
because they wanted two 5.8 million is what it's looking like. 02:12:19
Like part of this not included which is shown here is a buff estimate by the school district of $1,000,000 to demolish and they're 02:12:27
willing to participate in selective demolition of that, preserve some of those talents. So salvage and maintain some of the blue 02:12:34
like beams, preserving the trust structures to the courtyard which we're recommending. 02:12:41
Restoring and maintaining in that site. 02:12:49
So that is not including this number, but just know that's out there, that's. 02:12:52
Participation. 02:12:57
As part of the recent. 02:12:58
So we've got. 02:13:04
In phase one or two, what we just looked at. 02:13:05
This is what I. 02:13:12
But now there is then as we move down into a wish list. 02:13:14
And if you wanted to completely remodel? 02:13:19
Both multipurpose fields. This includes all new irrigation. 02:13:22
That's a big number pulled out. 02:13:30
3.4 million almost 3.5. 02:13:36
If you just wanted to do the urination. 02:13:40
Very certain question over here. 02:13:42
673,000. 02:13:46
One perfect participate in the receiving of the site. 02:13:48
Ancient Tur. 02:13:53
58,000. 02:13:54
So there's options built in. 02:13:56
Trail system if you wanted a concrete trail system. 02:13:59
1000 if you want to decompose grant of a software surface. 02:14:03
When we've got that shown conceptualism, both of those. 02:14:07
Some people, they want to it's a real object, or at times it's a wheelchair. 02:14:12
Others, I want to be in trouble. I love that it's a half mile loop around the park, right? I do 6 laps. It's almost a 5K something 02:14:19
like that. 02:14:23
So some people might want to stop their surface, some might prefer. 02:14:28
But we wanted to give you options. 02:14:31
You down through it dog park as I described the best practices large area it could certainly go down. 02:14:35
Become small, it can be unaffected because we got some of the enemies for the dollars. 02:14:41
750-5000. 02:14:47
The parking overlay that you were talking about is one. Sorry it took so long to get your question. 02:14:50
123,000 which is reconfiguring that having some functions removing the bustle. 02:14:55
Adding in a few traffic calming features so that people don't go through there. 02:15:02
Right. And then so he's more a lot and you add, I forget take the exact numbers how many results we had. 02:15:07
Almost double capacity. So does that add the cells as well? The 123,000? What it's doing is it's restyling and creating so much 02:15:17
more efficiency because there's no more bus loop as well as pieces that make it an inefficient space. 02:15:24
Then to add as new parking space onto the West. 02:15:32
589,000 OK, so that's that's yeah, I guess my question would be I think we should have. 02:15:36
That in phase one, nothing new necessarily parking over but. 02:15:44
You know, people are going to come in. I don't think it's in great shape and think we're going to put the pavilions on the 02:15:49
entryway and the pickleball course. We probably ought to redo that parking. Here's one of the first things. Yeah, absolutely. And 02:15:54
it would put you just about six months. 02:16:00
If you expand the parking, that's the area that's also going to get messed up if you try to do a whole lot with the fields and 02:16:08
company construction trucks will be coming into that. 02:16:13
Extended area and we did that too soon. We just get. 02:16:19
But the main parking lot, Rita would have that same issue. 02:16:24
I think that overlaying nails looks similar. I think the parking lot itself and could even prevent. 02:16:30
Future expense An overlay now will prolong the left, but the design to it does it include it look like graphically getting 02:16:37
included? 02:16:43
Putting some trees in, Those are little tree. Yeah, part of the idea. Let's welcome you to park. Adding trees, cooling down the 02:16:50
fact that you get on asphalt. 02:16:57
A couple notes here. 02:17:06
There are still 10% design contingency added to this, right? So things you don't know yet that you want to add, things you might 02:17:08
not know that are needed. So there is a design contingency applied to this number, right, which is common at this stage of your 02:17:13
work. 02:17:18
One other. 02:17:26
Well, yeah, the maintenance number. 02:17:29
But what we have estimated? 02:17:32
Is roughly $95,000 a year. 02:17:35
Ongoing maintenance part of the size. 02:17:39
At about $700.00 and so just to be clear, that does not include? 02:17:43
High water, you don't have that placard in and you don't. That doesn't include staff costs. 02:17:50
There. So what does it include? 02:17:57
That's way too low because that's what I was thinking. It's ongoing. Now it's up to replacement. 02:18:04
Capital, yeah. 02:18:14
So if we hit the irrigation part. 02:18:18
Is that going to say? 02:18:22
Water slash money what we have calculated is about a 12% reduction in water use that will do more efficient irrigation system. 02:18:24
The only advantage that perhaps looking at the. 02:18:35
So odd the normal water efficient mix. 02:18:39
Hybrid. 02:18:46
Water. 02:18:53
Now people like that as much. 02:18:56
You know. 02:19:05
And football fields are were competing as good but. 02:19:08
In case these 13 mechanical practices. 02:19:11
You could you could do something like that and deal with that. 02:19:18
So I just wanted to understand what you're saying. You say if they did the entire repurpose that would dramatically decrease the 02:19:24
amount of water that we. 02:19:29
See. 02:19:36
I should use the. 02:19:38
12% reduction. 02:19:42
Two and a half million gallons saved, which is roughly the equivalent of about 42 homes in HIV. 02:19:44
We just want rough order of magnitude. 02:19:51
Here's our dog pieces. We've already had the last word on that trail enhancements and then the potential to increase $119 if we. 02:19:55
At that addition. 02:20:06
I mean, our recommendation would be. 02:20:08
Like you're saying, have you? 02:20:11
Update the existing parking, don't do the expansion and see if you don't have a dramatic change in use here but suddenly trigger 02:20:14
significantly more cars in this area. We've heard the neighborhood and we agree with them. No one wants parks still over in the 02:20:19
neighborhood but. 02:20:24
Everything we've seen that we don't see that's likely to occur because of that overflow potential to save some or not and you know 02:20:30
exactly how much you could add and what it would cost if you for some reason discovery was a problem. This part becomes popular. 02:20:37
I think the message plan also includes a little bit of active transportation. 02:20:45
It does. 02:20:49
Like pad crossings and things like that. So. 02:20:53
Regional care to me see those as well? 02:20:57
So hopefully we have the information that you want. 02:21:03
We heard you last time. We're happy to continue talking about this, but we could shift to some of the open items as we're going to 02:21:06
the conclusion of the master plan and we can shift to those. 02:21:11
Right, everyone understand about water saving communication, so one thing to consider is that that system is pretty old. 02:21:17
And a lot is going to see older schools it kind of becomes issue of. 02:21:27
You know, everything you've done a lot more repairs and the maintenance like wow, we should just put in irrigation. So that's 02:21:34
another thing to consider just the age of the existence so that you can try to. 02:21:41
Take. 02:21:51
Connection There's more school design than anyone else in state. Dan has worked on many irrigation models in school district 02:21:53
works, so he's seen it many times before. 02:21:58
So OK similar didn't say any word because we wouldn't damage. 02:22:03
Duplicate wise investments in the right order that they build upon. 02:22:13
So. 02:22:19
Identify preferred funding mechanism and potential implementation. 02:22:25
Formally about the master plan already brought up here tonight. 02:22:29
Magnetic Granite School district on hazardous material. They've not been selected to motion. 02:22:34
That's a piece of work that would be outside the scope of any design team that you work with. It's very commonly the owner's 02:22:39
responsibility. You would not be the owner in the district that those are lengthy processes. It takes time. 02:22:46
We're not recommending geotechnical engineering is to understand where you're placing the pavilion, the restrooms and the 02:22:53
pickleball courts, placing the load on that slill. You know that there's presence of low grade moisture in some areas. Those are 02:22:59
the types of things that your design contingency can end up surprisingly with geotechnical report. It's not that expensive and it 02:23:05
really helps protect you from surprises in the field. 02:23:11
Continue coordinating with the Church of Jesus Christ on the Shared Access Agreement there. 02:23:18
I would recommend striking while the iron is hot. 02:23:23
How many people did we try to reach out to this? 02:23:27
Seven or eight found the right person, they've been communicating with us. They're not able to updating the agreement. 02:23:29
So we would recognize you before with that of course, if you say. 02:23:36
We also think that. 02:23:43
Because of the way that the pump that you were raising house number. 02:23:45
That the community has wanted to see more about this. We recommend you continue welcoming incoming feedback from community when 02:23:48
you tell us to we'll update the website. Continue to have a listening here and their districts. 02:23:53
There are a few items that. 02:23:59
Community members will have thoughts about whether that's about pickleball court, which by the way, we're very careful to place 02:24:02
those in locations that they're not immediately adjacent to surrounding residents and close parking lot. 02:24:07
And that church property? 02:24:13
But they're, you know, shining residents will still have impacts of light and things like that, so. 02:24:15
Code will require some lighting at the pavilion, things like that. 02:24:22
We've taken up any lighting that we think we can with the code. 02:24:30
So continue communication. 02:24:36
You don't want to have another communication without. 02:24:38
Drowning us. It makes the alignment I have. 02:24:41
Open discussion of when your upcoming. 02:24:44
We are going to have continued dialogue with Salt Lake County about what they're providing the Cottonwood and. 02:24:48
As the nurses not duplicating anything, we've tried to do that during our five months with them. We don't think we're duplicating 02:24:53
anything, but they may change the plans. Everyone totally finalized and we're working and I think that's some ideas. 02:24:59
This one is really just more kind of personal interest, but we've heard from many people. 02:25:08
The name is probably going to matter. 02:25:13
Right there's past heritage of the building where pirates sometimes you parking back, sometimes you come up in the home and end 02:25:15
up. 02:25:20
That would be interesting topic for you. 02:25:25
As Holly mentioned, once you're ready, that is fine in a design phase, even if you just have a schematic design and then it goes 02:25:29
to design builder, which sometimes knows bridging documents. There's time in that. And so just recognizing that and thinking that 02:25:34
if you do decide to move ahead. 02:25:39
When you send it a letter, whether it's us or someone else, just recognize it. It could take you another six months to work 02:25:44
through the rest of these issues and get ready to take these to some kind of contractor selection process. 02:25:51
And then continued coordination with impact related others, potentially there's a cost saving opportunities, maybe they have some 02:25:57
interest in irrigation replacement, but not sure for vice versa. We don't know what their funding capabilities are, but they're 02:26:03
one of the key stakeholders here and we recommend continued engagement. 02:26:08
Did I miss anything? 02:26:15
Down later, hey? 02:26:17
How would you know anything that we've been talking about? It's not on the list. 02:26:20
OK, this is the actual game with you. Happy to answer any more questions you've got. 02:26:24
That. 02:26:30
Billion. 02:26:32
But it also. 02:26:40
Flat and flat, and maybe this may be more conversation will be more detailed design, but but boy, you need to not take advantage 02:26:46
of the view of the mountains to the east. 02:26:53
With a roofline and absolutely. And so I thought. 02:27:00
Pretty basic proof on still SO. 02:27:08
And maybe that's something we want to think about for that location. Maybe that's. 02:27:11
Place good marriage, a little bit more investment or something. 02:27:15
I really love David. This group is very concerning. So we we intentionally shown something very simple, right? But now it's just a 02:27:21
shared group with the single slope. 02:27:25
It's hardening back to the flat group of the school to consider and it's trying to permit as much of the open view to the 02:27:30
mountains. But I think like you say testing more, you decide to make sure that the people they reckless so that you can see. 02:27:37
Currently was to include the standing sea metal roof which is. 02:27:51
Lastly, on the term of your release, so there wouldn't be any single replacement and then. 02:27:56
Good sizing and. 02:28:02
Kind of hunting back, but you guys do it excellent. 02:28:04
It needs to feel correct. Applications have. 02:28:09
Of the Canadians, that's something that we said with you. 02:28:12
Very simple. 02:28:16
So what's the? What's the? 02:28:24
Does this basically finalize this step in the contract process for MHC? 02:28:26
What we would love to update. 02:28:32
Yes, or it goes live. Whatever you all would like to see. Would love to do that. 02:28:35
But then I would say pollen, you know, we're very close to. 02:28:42
Called in our report at this point so. 02:28:46
What's helpful? Can you go back to that list of things to do? 02:28:50
So I'm assuming that. 02:28:58
The Council. 02:29:00
Still in a full. 02:29:01
Full steam ahead on. We need to take advantage of this opportunity. 02:29:03
And we're OK with the. 02:29:08
Perhaps the concept has been presented with a couple of those minor changes to. 02:29:10
Move the one at six. 02:29:16
Parking lot, anything and then maybe TV. 02:29:18
So based on that. 02:29:22
What do we do? What do we want to engage in right now here? 02:29:24
I assume our first step is we need to get. 02:29:28
Schools and say. 02:29:32
We need to How do we get this? 02:29:35
And for me, that is something I appreciate a little bit on also. It's comfortable with me. 02:29:39
Just looking at our incident with the school district and we said assuming that we were comfortable with the concept plan that we 02:29:47
would start with these conversations for the district finished by. 02:29:53
You are comfortable with that as an. 02:30:01
Thursday, I think, characterized it as it. 02:30:05
Possibly that that police more openness from the district the idea. 02:30:09
Perhaps. 02:30:19
Well, yeah. 02:30:25
Would we? That's something we want to pursue. Well, we certainly want to know. 02:30:30
That they really are looking at that because? 02:30:36
Because, boy, that changes things. 02:30:40
Yeah. What's the implication of that is whether we. 02:30:47
We're if we're buyers or not buyers what? 02:30:55
What the alternatives they have on because its own pain. 02:30:58
That was limited customers. 02:31:03
But yeah, because that's never really done on the table, but it's now on the table. 02:31:08
That's something we better know about, yeah. 02:31:13
But we want to. 02:31:18
Regardless, we want to press forward with this as quickly as possible because. 02:31:20
And then is there anything you want to press forward with at our own risk? 02:31:25
Or is everything unfolded till we get something? Well, you don't do anything without a lease that protects whatever we're 02:31:29
investing, right? Because we don't want to spend 5 point whatever money. 02:31:36
Can just say now we're going to sell this to. 02:31:44
Whomever they they think they can under a keystone. 02:31:49
You know, there's, there's limited legislatively they have to offer us anyway. Do we have a letter? 02:31:55
The lease negotiations if we're unable to write a lease. 02:32:06
It's a long term lease that protects our investment that they they've got to have some pain if they break here and if they're 02:32:12
unwilling to. 02:32:16
To accept anything. 02:32:20
Or even make a commitment, really. 02:32:23
You know, yeah, that might that would tell the tape. 02:32:26
I think it. 02:32:30
I think we move forward as quickly as possible with that might concern just that it's. 02:32:32
Dragged out for eight months. 02:32:38
Like, how long do we think it'll take? 02:32:40
I mean, can you even give me? 02:32:42
Give me your best guess. 02:32:45
I would say. 02:32:48
Making it theaters and major leadership changes. 02:32:50
You know, that's great if we can get it done 2 1/2 months. I think everything else there must have missing something. Everything 02:32:55
on hold until we get a deal struck with Grant School District. And then we start we start with engagement on the designing team 02:33:03
and reached out to the church and get me. I'm not worried about these church I've had I've had some. 02:33:11
I think they're happy to work with some of that. 02:33:20
But all this other stuff in terms of the geotechnical and. 02:33:22
Salt Lake There's no point in this. 02:33:27
I think going forward with that three months, that's good. I think that's right the only carrier. 02:33:29
And so I would hope that we wouldn't be able to bring and talk to that option. 02:33:43
September. 02:33:54
Yeah, excellent. And maybe that's the best time to talk about it because we have broken this down into phases. And I know that the 02:33:55
refurbishment of this building is kind of getting pushed back a little bit. So I know that that was kind of an issue at one point. 02:34:01
We were trying to do this all at once. So I don't know if things could change with that at all because the timing is more spread 02:34:08
out or and we're trying to put this together for you. 02:34:14
Consider without a time this week. 02:34:21
Get that? 02:34:25
Yeah, OK. Because then I'm like, well, we know what phase one is, we know phase two is. And then so is there anybody to look at 02:34:28
like? 02:34:31
Dollars for whatever you want on the wish list. Back back. 02:34:36
Which might be 0. 02:34:40
I think we're we're in good spot. 02:34:44
The bottom line is, you know what? 02:34:54
Get this draft up. Get updated. 02:34:57
Contact plan post to start gearing up to, you know, maybe get the Planning Commission. 02:35:00
But the master plan, but there's no sense in doing it. So we have. 02:35:06
A deal, I think that's where. 02:35:11
If we can help, if I can help, school districts say look. 02:35:14
We've done a lot of work on this for communities excited about it. 02:35:19
You want to make sure preserve this open spaces and have stuff for the city holiday and we want to move as rapidly as possible to 02:35:23
and agree with the grant whether that be. 02:35:29
Police agreement or the possible purchase either way, but whether we do the purchase. 02:35:34
I think, I think what you're saying is. 02:35:43
Yeah, we want to buy it. How much, How much do you want to pay and try to do it overtime? 02:35:46
So anyway. 02:35:54
Thank you. Your team, I think you're going to have to. 02:36:06
We just completed today a 15 acre park in Eagle Mountain. Very similar components. 02:36:14