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OK, are we ready? OK, we will call the Holiday City Council meeting to order on June 12th and start with the pledge. 00:00:01
The United States of America. 00:00:13
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:18
OK, public comments open anybody for public comment? 00:00:31
There being none, we will. 00:00:37
Close public comment and move to item number 4. The incentive award on the agenda is going to move to July 17 so we can actually 00:00:39
have the. 00:00:43
Recipient. 00:00:47
Present. 00:00:49
For that presentation. 00:00:50
And next is a very important employee Recognition Award. 00:00:52
Thank you, Mayor and Council. We have one award this year and it's a big one. 00:01:03
The city incorporated 25 years ago, and Stephanie Carlson was hired soon after the city incorporated. 00:01:09
So early 2000. 00:01:17
And is now celebrating 25 years with the city. 00:01:19
Everybody knows Stephanie. She's the first person that all of you interact with as you file for candidacy. 00:01:23
And really starting then she takes care to make sure that those running for office. 00:01:31
Have the information that they need to run. 00:01:37
And then that continues once you're elected, she makes sure each week that you have the information that you need to serve. 00:01:40
Stephanie takes on a lot and she does that willingly. 00:01:49
Over 25 years, I think there's very little she hasn't done in our city. 00:01:53
A lot of what she does might not be high profile, but it's critical. 00:01:57
She's the person we all call when something isn't working. 00:02:02
And I mean that really broadly. 00:02:05
She's the person we call it. The security system isn't working when our e-mail isn't working, when the HVAC isn't working. 00:02:08
Her focus is always on problem solving and she gets it done. 00:02:17
Stephanie is also the person who keeps all of our memories. 00:02:24
Both in the formal sense. 00:02:28
Her critical part of her job is keeping our records. 00:02:30
But also any informal way she remembers what's important to everyone and works hard to make sure that everyone's priorities are 00:02:34
met. 00:02:38
For me, Stephanie has been invaluable, helping me make sense of why things are done in a particular way. 00:02:43
And helping me think through the pros and cons of making change. 00:02:50
Here's the memory all keeps. 00:02:55
Stephanie has been a critical part of Holiday from the very beginning, and I'm thrilled to recognize her contribution over the 00:02:57
past 25 years. 00:03:01
With this certificate and check. 00:03:05
Oh. 00:03:29
Yeah. 00:04:16
So Stephanie knows where all the bodies are buried. 00:04:26
It was funny, we across the hall, we were trying to. 00:04:34
Figure out how we were going to do this little presentation for James and she had got the zoom. 00:04:37
Connection all worked out and. 00:04:42
For some reason, we started reminiscing. She's like, are you going to? 00:04:46
Are you getting melancholy about leaving? And I'm like. 00:04:49
Actually, yeah, I kind of am a little bit. 00:04:52
But I think like it's 12 years for me and 25 for you, so. 00:04:55
You must have come on board. 00:04:59
Two years after the city incorporated 90. 00:05:02
Or 2001. 00:05:06
Tooth so right after so you've seen every mayor. 00:05:11
Every City Council. 00:05:15
Been through. 00:05:18
Changing a form of government A. 00:05:20
I think the mayor's suing their council as I recall. 00:05:25
That should I not bring that up? 00:05:28
It happened right? 00:05:33
There's an idea. A recession. 00:05:35
I mean a recession A. 00:05:37
Pandemic. A mall, A pandemic. The mall being torn down, a pandemic. 00:05:40
Umm, you should write a book. You should write a book. 00:05:48
Or maybe not. 00:05:50
Hello. Yeah, I don't know, you know, I was reading something, some article. 00:05:56
A couple months ago and it talked about, you know, people entering the workforce now and how. 00:06:01
Many jobs they can expect to have over the course of their career. Like it's not. 00:06:06
People don't stick around as much as they used to and so to be. 00:06:11
In a place for. 00:06:15
25 years and watch it grow and evolve and. 00:06:17
Become what it is today, Which? 00:06:23
I'm pretty proud of, and I think this council is pretty proud of, and you've played a big part in that. 00:06:25
Umm, you're to be commended for that, and we appreciate all that you've done. 00:06:31
You've been awesome. 00:06:35
And kept me from tripping up on. 00:06:38
Many occasions. 00:06:41
So congratulations, it's awesome. 00:06:43
All right. 00:06:48
So we've got the continued public hearing. 00:06:50
It's still open. Natalie, did you want to comment on the budget? 00:06:53
In that case, I'm going to close the public hearing. 00:06:58
And we'll move on to item number six. 00:07:01
This is the ordinance amendment. These are the budget amendments for. 00:07:06
This fiscal year that we reviewed. 00:07:11
Last council meeting they were in the packet. Christian prepared those. We went through them. There was 1 minor change which we 00:07:15
noted. 00:07:18
Any other questions? 00:07:21
Our concerns before we take a motion. 00:07:23
If we don't have any, I'll just start asking for motions as we start working our way through these ordinances. 00:07:26
Mr. Merritt, we have approval of Ordinance 2025-08 amending the budget for fiscal year beginning July 1st, 2024. 00:07:31
Through June 2025. 00:07:37
2nd. 00:07:39
OK, we have a motion, a second Councilmember Durham. 00:07:41
Aye, Councilmember Fotheringham, Councilmember Quinn, Councilmember Gray and Chair vote yes. That budget amendments approved. 00:07:44
Thank you, Christian. 00:07:49
OK. We're required to set the mill rate for this year or determine the rate of tax for 2025? 00:07:56
This is item number 7 on the agenda. Any questions for? 00:08:03
Gina, before we take a motion on this item. 00:08:07
I just like to remind the public who might be paying attention that we did not. 00:08:11
Raise property taxes this year. This is just establishing the rate. 00:08:15
It means that it's just the rate established by the county that gives us the same amount of revenue. 00:08:19
As last go round. 00:08:25
And that rate just happens to workout to the one in the ordinance. 00:08:26
So with that I move approval of Ordinance 2025 Dash 29 determining the rate of tax for 2025 tax year. 00:08:30
Lending taxes upon real and personal property within holiday. 00:08:36
Second, OK, we have a motion and a second on the tax rate. Councilmember Durham. Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, Yes. 00:08:40
Councilmember Quinn? Yes. Councilmember Gray? Yes. Chair votes yes and the certified tax rate for 24/20/25 is approved. Thank you. 00:08:47
Item number 8. 00:08:56
This is the. 00:08:58
Compensation schedule for elected officials as required by the state legislature. Any questions from the Council on this item? 00:09:00
There have been no changes since last week, right? 00:09:07
Her last meeting? 00:09:10
No changes since last meeting. 00:09:13
So it's still. 00:09:15
950 an hour, yeah. 00:09:17
Oh, so you did get a raise. Oh, that's right. Plus plus 3%. 00:09:20
Mr. Mayor, I motion to approve ordinance. 00:09:28
2025-10 approving A compensation schedule for elected executive appointed statutory, statutory and all other municipal officials. 00:09:31
Second OK motion is second. Council Member Durham Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham Yes. Councilmember Quinn Yes. Councilmember Gray 00:09:42
yes and chair votes yes. 00:09:47
Thank you. 00:09:52
OK. This is consideration of Ordinance 2025 eleven. This is the adoption of the final budget. 00:09:54
As reviewed. 00:10:01
Last week. 00:10:03
You'll recall that we. 00:10:05
Past the tentative budget in early May, I think it was May 2nd. I don't hold me to the date. 00:10:07
We've been through our processes and last week. 00:10:12
We received and it's in the packet as well that. 00:10:15
That listed the changes to that tentative budget, which is what we would be approving today with this boat where? 00:10:19
Christians kind of gone through and said, look, here was your tentative budget. 00:10:25
Here's a list of all the changes that were considered. There it is. 00:10:29
Which which gives us the final budget that we'll be approving with this vote so. 00:10:33
With that, I'm going to open it up for discussion. I know there's a few council members at least have some comments they want to 00:10:38
make before we take a motion on the passing of the final budget. 00:10:41
Just a couple of items. Just to note, on page 6 there is a picture that may be considered deceptive because. 00:10:46
The mayor has much more Gray hair. 00:10:53
Now picture I can tell it's an old picture. 00:10:55
But moving on, Paige can't tell because my eyesight is so bad I can't see. 00:11:02
What my hair color is? 00:11:07
But. 00:11:10
Page 11, there's an important comment in the in the financial policies and it's. 00:11:12
Probably 1 of the keys to. 00:11:18
Some of the major accomplishments I think the last few years. 00:11:21
And so on page 11 in the second column under policies, third paragraph. 00:11:25
Maintaining appropriate funding for maintenance is of utmost importance. Deferring maintenance or asset replacement. 00:11:30
Has the potential to reduce the government's ability to provide services under a threatened public health, safety and overall 00:11:36
quality of life in addition. 00:11:39
As the physical condition of an asset declines, deferring maintenance and a replacement. 00:11:42
May increase long term costs and liabilities that was. 00:11:47
Essentially the theme of where the city was headed for a number of years. 00:11:51
We were, uh. 00:11:55
Not necessarily a weed because most of us have been on the. 00:11:56
Council forever and ever. 00:11:59
But we were. 00:12:00
We as a. 00:12:02
Council, for the last many years we were professionals at deferring maintenance and we were. 00:12:04
Tasked with and I believe it was the theme of. 00:12:09
Of Mayor Dally's second term was to change that. 00:12:13
And. 00:12:16
When I signed on to run for office my first term during Mayor Daley's second term. 00:12:17
It was primarily to assist in this very regard because we. 00:12:25
It was around that time when we didn't have any money leftover for roads and storm water. 00:12:29
It's always been. 00:12:34
Last available dollars. 00:12:36
And because police and fire and city administration always take required dollars upfront, it was always last available dollars. 00:12:38
That's for roads and stormwater and. 00:12:44
After 20 years of not adjusting property taxes. 00:12:47
There were no. 00:12:52
Additional available dollars so you probably remember our streets and stormwater systems were in pretty bad shape and so. 00:12:54
As a result of that deferred maintenance and deferred adjustments in property taxes, we had to do that. 00:13:01
Significant tax increase. 00:13:05
And now? 00:13:07
By maintaining this particular. 00:13:09
OK, I'm a nerdy accountant so this is like. 00:13:12
Scripture. This is Gina Chapter 7, verse 3. 00:13:15
About. 00:13:19
The perils of deferring maintenance too much. 00:13:20
And so I'm hoping going forward that we can maintain this new theme. 00:13:24
For generations to come, where we. 00:13:29
We don't. 00:13:32
We're not afraid to. 00:13:33
Maintain our city in the proper way and if that means adjusting property tax appropriately, will still be a lien Man City. 00:13:36
Well, mean, I mean that metaphorically in a matter of speech. Or very nice here. 00:13:44
But a lean city? 00:13:48
But then also has some pride. 00:13:51
And and to keep our city in good shape and so. 00:13:53
Let's try not to bond again for. 00:13:58
This type of purpose of maintaining. 00:14:01
Roads and stormwater that should be annual. 00:14:03
Annually funded if not. 00:14:06
Maybe not annually worked on, but certainly annually funded. 00:14:08
And reserving our. 00:14:12
Larger bonding opportunities for those major projects that are. 00:14:14
Multi generational impact such as? 00:14:21
The City Hall. 00:14:24
Refurbishment. 00:14:25
And seismic retrofit and. 00:14:27
The opportunity we have with Spring Lane Park and those sorts of projects, so. 00:14:30
And then lastly, my last comment has to do with. 00:14:34
Speaking of the City Hall project in the Spring Lane project. 00:14:36
Those items are not in this budget yet. It's premature for them to be in this budget. We have been talking about them. 00:14:41
And that those projects could indeed start in this coming fiscal year. 00:14:48
But those items are not in this budget, correct me if I'm wrong, primarily because they're just not down the road. 00:14:53
Far enough. 00:14:58
Where we've had enough public process, there haven't been votes. 00:14:59
It's still very much in the planning phase. 00:15:03
But full transparency, we do intend to move forward on those projects. 00:15:06
But you'll you'll purposely not see those in this budget yet because it's premature to have them in. 00:15:10
Thus far. So that said, that's all that's really good. 00:15:15
Otherwise, thanks for the budget document. It really is professional. It's great over the eight years I've been. 00:15:19
Looking at these budgets with the. 00:15:24
Addition of a great new budgeting software and certainly the addition of a very capable financial. 00:15:27
Captain now who understands city budgeting? 00:15:33
And who can take a lot of that load off of Gina and this? 00:15:36
This budget document really is super. 00:15:40
Appreciate all the work. 00:15:42
I just want to pay. 00:15:47
I just want to thank Gina and Christian and all the staff for putting this together, not only the budget document, but I think the 00:15:49
presentations that we had as we were considering. 00:15:53
The budget this year been really informative and helpful and. 00:15:57
Helped us get. 00:16:00
A view of what was going on in the city overall. And it was really. 00:16:02
Valuable time spent, so thanks very much for everybody's time. 00:16:06
Anybody else? 00:16:13
I echo everything I think. I think I said it all last week. You don't need to hear it again. 00:16:15
Thanks everybody. Mr. Mayor, I move approval of Ordinance 2025-11, adopting a final budget for fiscal year 2025 and 2026. 00:16:20
2nd. 00:16:27
OK, we've got to welcome Councilmember Durham. Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, Yes. Councilmember Quinn, Yes. Councilmember Gray, 00:16:29
Yes. And chair votes yes. 00:16:34
Your budget is approved. 00:16:38
And Mayor, if I may just take a minute to to thank certainly everyone on staff that contributed, but really Christian for doing a 00:16:41
remarkable job. 00:16:45
In his first year of producing this document and spearheading everything, so thank you. 00:16:50
Thank you everyone. 00:16:57
Green, thanks. 00:17:00
Wow, I do have to say. 00:17:03
Every time I do this stuff now, it's my last time. It's starting to get to me a little bit. It's my last. 00:17:06
Budget vote. 00:17:12
You got RDA coming up. 00:17:15
No. 00:17:17
Sorry Drew stole your Thunder on the big RDA boat. 00:17:19
So we're on item number 10. This is the suggested uniform fight and we went through this in the work session. It's just. 00:17:27
This is an after the fact insert into titles 1011. We needed to clarify what we're going to actually. 00:17:34
What those fines were actually going to be. 00:17:40
Any questions from Council before we take a motion on 2025-12? 00:17:42
Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve. 00:17:48
Where am I? 00:17:53
Ordinance 2025-12 establishing a suggested uniform fine schedule for certain offenses. 00:17:54
Set forth in titles 10 and 11 of the city code. 00:18:00
Second OK, we have a motion and a second. Councilmember Durham yes. Councilmember Fotheringham yes Councilmember Quinn yes 00:18:04
Councilmember Gray yes And chair votes yes the. 00:18:09
Find schedules approved. Now we're on to hazard mitigation plan which was in again in. 00:18:14
Last Council's packet. 00:18:19
Reviewed by Gina I believe and was pretty thorough, but it's just something we have to get. 00:18:23
Passed I think before July get to the county. 00:18:28
So the county can have that available and. 00:18:31
Were eligible for FEMA funding in the event that we needed. 00:18:34
Any questions before we take a motion on? 00:18:38
2025-11. 00:18:40
Just a resolution. 00:18:42
Mr. Mayor of approval of Resolution 2025-11, adopting the Salt Lake County Hazard Mitigation Plan for 2025. 00:18:46
Second OK Motion and a second. Councilmember Durham, Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, yes. Councilmember Quinn, yes. Councilmember 00:18:54
Gray, Yes. 00:18:58
And chair votes yes, the hazard mitigation plan is approved. Thank you, Council. 00:19:02
Now we're on to the third amendment to the interlocal agreement with Salt Lake County Public Works. 00:19:07
Umm just popped up on the screen. It was in your packet. 00:19:13
Umm, any questions or Gina any? 00:19:18
Anything you want to clarify with Council before we take a motion on this? 00:19:20
No, not unless they're the council has questions. I think this overall, I believe is a slightly less than 3% increase. 00:19:24
In the cost of services that Salt Lake County provides, the largest of which is snow removal. 00:19:34
Engine this still works the same way as previous years where? 00:19:43
You kind of slide funds around based on how heavy the snow year is, so that if it's a light snow year, we can push it to paving. 00:19:46
We don't. 00:19:53
That sliding ability allows us to. 00:19:54
So it does form materials for personnel. Those costs are are were really we allocate costs for personnel. 00:19:58
And those remain whether it is a light snow year or a heavy snow year. 00:20:07
It does free up their time to do other things other than snow removal. If it's a lighter snow year, we can get started with other 00:20:13
maintenance work earlier in this season. 00:20:18
Where we can shift what they're doing for us, not where they shift their work to do something else for the county. 00:20:24
All right, Mr. Mayor, I move approval of resolution. Resolution 2025-12, adopting the 3rd Amendment's internal agreement is all 00:20:33
accounted for Public works. I think that needs to be 2025. 00:20:37
We've got 220-2512. 00:20:42
This is That was an ordinance. This is resolution. 00:20:46
Do we have a second? 00:20:52
Second, there's our second. Thank you very much. Councilmember Durham. Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham. Yes. Councilmember Quinn. 00:20:53
Yes. Councilmember Gray, Yes. And Chair Moat Yes. 00:21:00
Public works contractors Interlocal is approved. 00:21:04
And we are now onto the city manager report. 00:21:08
So I have some great news to share with Council which you've got a preview of in the pre meeting. 00:21:14
Our request. 00:21:20
For funding has now for this building which is $2,000,000. 00:21:23
Has been submitted by both. Senator Curtis. 00:21:29
And Representative Kennedy as part of this year's And that would be the fiscal 2526 federal budget. 00:21:33
Has been submitted by both Senator Kurnis and Representative Kennedy. 00:21:42
Assuming that the budget process works. 00:21:46
Normally, umm. 00:21:50
We should have better information mid-july. 00:21:53
As to the likelihood of that funding being included in the federal budget? 00:21:57
That's great. That's it for me. Fantastic. And so Gina, I know we talked about this early. We've been kind of waiting on this. 00:22:05
To see how it's going to go and then. 00:22:12
I think our plan is to revisit both City Hall and Spring Lane. 00:22:14
Once we get the lease finalized with granite and get. 00:22:19
Real clarity on this in a confidence level and then we're going to revisit how. 00:22:23
We want to proceed. 00:22:28
I think that's right, working from assuming that it would be this Council. 00:22:30
That would like to authorize potential bond funding for both this building and Spring Lane. We're working backward. 00:22:36
And so I think. 00:22:45
You can anticipate having a conversation, maybe not having everything nailed down, but having a good idea of where we're heading. 00:22:47
Probably at your first meeting in August and then? 00:22:56
You'll have some options and can provide some direction at that time. 00:23:01
OK. 00:23:07
Thank you. 00:23:08
Council reports will start with Emily and work our way down. 00:23:10
I don't have anything to report. I do want to just. 00:23:13
Think I know Delaney is going to be giving. 00:23:17
Her update. 00:23:19
Shortly I we had a meeting last night. I've been incredibly impressed with her work and John's been working with her a lot on. 00:23:20
The updates for the general plan, I'm excited. 00:23:28
For you guys to see what she has to share. 00:23:31
Drew. 00:23:35
In April, I believe we had a. 00:23:37
Visit from a team. 00:23:41
From UDOT. 00:23:43
Who did a? 00:23:44
An analysis of 45th South which we know. 00:23:46
A state road that runs through our city. 00:23:50
All the way from the off ramps of the freeway. 00:23:52
Down to 2030 E. 00:23:55
And a couple days ago. 00:23:57
We, Jared and I were emailed a copy of the analysis. 00:23:59
And I'm happy to report it was really interesting to read because they. 00:24:04
We're very, very thorough. 00:24:09
They looked at everything from bus stops to gutters to. 00:24:11
Lighting to. 00:24:15
The sidewalks and where? 00:24:17
Where vegetation was growing in the cracks of the site. I mean, I was really impressed anyway, so. 00:24:20
They had some. 00:24:25
Suggestions. And interestingly enough, we. 00:24:27
The whole reason for asking for this study was. 00:24:32
To try and get across what close to the park, up at the top of 45th at the top of that hill. 00:24:35
That was looked at, but. 00:24:41
Jared and I were both a little bit disappointed that it was. 00:24:44
Listed as a priority too, rather than a priority one. And so we both emailed back and they said well, OK, we can see. 00:24:47
That that would be a real good. 00:24:54
Addition, because there is really no place to cross the street from east of the freeway. 00:24:57
Down to below Wallace Lane so. 00:25:02
They're going to come back. 00:25:06
In July, mid-july and do another. 00:25:08
Site visit and study. 00:25:11
About putting a sidewalk or excuse me, a crosswalk up there so. 00:25:14
Keep our fingers crossed. Everything. I am impressed with you dot. 00:25:19
They have been very thorough, They have been. 00:25:23
Very responsive to SO. 00:25:26
I'm I'm hoping. 00:25:29
And I wanted to also, Speaking of the park, say thanks to Jared, who's not here. 00:25:31
I don't know if you've driven up that way. 00:25:36
There are some beautiful sidewalks now. 00:25:39
From the park on the on the. 00:25:41
Northside of 45th from the park down to. 00:25:44
2-2 blocks down, I think it's 3035 is the street so. 00:25:47
Lots going on there, so we appreciate everybody's help. 00:25:51
Only one item and just a reiteration of last week, we're seeing a lot of stormwater drain activity in our neighborhood and 00:25:57
everybody is loving it. So thanks to Jared and Joe. 00:26:02
And our public works team. 00:26:07
I don't really have anything tonight. 00:26:10
I would just. 00:26:13
I was going to mention both those because I have seen the 45th sidewalk and it's good to see all this investment because we made a 00:26:15
pretty major investment on 2700 E as well. 00:26:19
In those sidewalk, you know, and I was going to bring this up, look at it, bring it up, and I thought we're too late in the game. 00:26:24
About what? How much we've got in that bucket for next year, but. 00:26:30
When we get to mid year if we're going to, if there's any. 00:26:33
Money available, I wouldn't mind beefing up that curb gutter. 00:26:36
Sidewalk. 00:26:40
Budget item and keep that work going because it's visible out in the community right now and something we've never. 00:26:43
Really done that much of so it's great to see. 00:26:49
These things being repaired and new sidewalks going in where it's appropriate, it just looks great. 00:26:52
Umm, that's all. That's all I have. So I think all we need is a motion to. 00:26:57
Recess counsel and go into RDA. 00:27:03
Mr. Mayor, I move that we recess to the Council meeting and reconvene an RDA meeting. 00:27:07
2nd. 00:27:12
All in favor say aye aye. 00:27:13
We are recessed from Council and the gavel is now yours, Madam Chair. 00:27:16
Thank you. I am. 00:27:21
Filling in for Thai tonight. 00:27:23
So I will call to order the. 00:27:26
Board of Directors meeting of the City of Holiday Redevelopment Agency. 00:27:29
Last week we held a public hearing which is open and then closed, and so I believe we can go. 00:27:34
Directly to a vote. 00:27:41
On the resolution adopting the budget. 00:27:43
Madam Chair, I move approval of resolution. 00:27:46
RDA resolution 20/25/02. 00:27:48
Adopting the 202526 fiscal year budget. 00:27:52
2nd we have a motion and a second. 00:27:56
Councilmember Durham. 00:28:00
Yes, council member Farringham. Yes. 00:28:02
Mayor Dally? Yes. Councilmember Gray. 00:28:06
Yes and share votes yes. 00:28:09
And so the vote is unanimous is does anyone have any other business for the RDA? 00:28:11
There's some minutes that would need to be approved. Item number 3. 00:28:17
Oh, excuse me. Thank you. 00:28:21
Yes, we have. 00:28:23
Minutes. 00:28:25
Can I have a motion for approval of minutes, Madam Chair, Motion to approve minutes for June 13th, 2024, May 1st and June 5th, 00:28:26
2025. 00:28:30
2nd. 00:28:35
All in favor. 00:28:37
Hi. 00:28:38
Now any other business? 00:28:41
All right. Thank you. Madam Chair, I move that we recess RDA meeting and reconvene as City Council work session. 00:28:43
2nd. 00:28:51
All in favor, aye? 00:28:53
And we? 00:28:55
Hand the gal back. 00:28:56
Do we need to change recording, Stephanie, or do we just keep rolling? 00:29:00
We're just rolling, OK. 00:29:04
We are on item number 16. I believe if my. 00:29:06
If I got this right. 00:29:12
So the general plan update, I'm going to turn this one over to a Delaney, I believe. 00:29:14
How are you? 00:29:20
Good to hear. 00:29:22
Yeah. 00:29:29
I'll let you guys conduct this however you would like. 00:29:30
I. 00:29:43
There. 00:29:47
OK. 00:29:50
Well, well, Stephanie's working on that. 00:30:01
Thanks all so much for having a little bit of time to chat with us about. 00:30:04
The general plan. 00:30:09
Emily mentioned we've been making a lot of progress and we had a really fantastic update. 00:30:11
To our steering committee yesterday with lots of. 00:30:17
New exciting things that we've been working on and we just want to kind of loop everybody back in. I know it's been a little while 00:30:20
since we have. 00:30:24
Talked as a group. 00:30:29
So with. 00:30:31
That. 00:30:33
Oh, maybe. 00:30:35
Somebody is going to have to tap dance until we. 00:30:41
All right. 00:30:44
So today's agenda is that we will go through a very quick overview, just a reminder of what we talked about the last time we all 00:30:50
were together and then some quick progress updates on. 00:30:56
Where we're at and then our next steps. 00:31:02
So. 00:31:05
As a refresher. 00:31:06
This is an update. 00:31:08
To the general plan and that is something that we want to make sure. 00:31:09
Is kind of, you know, front and center. The holiday general plan is serving the community well, but there are places that it can 00:31:13
certainly be enhanced in. One of those big places is. 00:31:19
In readability and usability, but ultimately it needs to do with these several things. 00:31:25
Which is to provide overall guidance for the city. 00:31:31
It has to help guide development, infrastructure, etc. 00:31:35
And then it also has to be kind of the first step for any zone changes or updates that come down the line as well. 00:31:40
And. 00:31:51
You're going the wrong way. 00:31:57
You're just fine. 00:31:59
OK. 00:32:03
And all of us are familiar with the previous general plan. So again. 00:32:06
As an update, we really wanted to focus in on the vision of the general Plan as well. 00:32:12
So some of our kind of. 00:32:18
Check marks that you see there is that we've reached out to the community. 00:32:21
The steering committee, staff and other groups. 00:32:25
To figure out kind of if the vision holds true and if there are changes that needed to be made. So Jim's going to talk quite a bit 00:32:28
about that phase as well. 00:32:33
And some of the outreach that we've done thus far. 00:32:38
We are kind of right in the middle of the process, although it will be coming up very quickly at the adoption process. So we are 00:32:42
moving very fast. But at this point, we're kind of, like I said, right in the middle, just having finished our vision and moving 00:32:48
into the goals and policies stage where we're kind of trying to dig a little bit deeper, again, reaching out to the public to do 00:32:53
so. 00:32:59
So I will recap some of those earlier pieces, Stephanie, if we can just. 00:33:05
Through these ones. So Jim, do you want to take over? I'm trying to prolong this too much. 00:33:12
So I'm local color I think. 00:33:19
All of the public engagement we've done, really. 00:33:23
Has reinforced our idea. 00:33:25
That the. 00:33:28
The policies or the. 00:33:30
Priorities for residents, quality and businesses and holiday have not changed very much since the last plan. 00:33:33
So these are themes that emerged in Almost. 00:33:39
One of our conversations. 00:33:43
Housing. 00:33:44
Questions. There are a variety of things relating housing. 00:33:45
Transportation. 00:33:48
A lot to do with active transportation and connectivity. 00:33:50
Touch on that, the second Parks Recreation open space. 00:33:54
Canadian character responsible growth. 00:33:57
So this is what we were hearing. 00:34:00
Throughout the public engagement process. 00:34:01
So. 00:34:06
Delaney. 00:34:09
Did sort of. 00:34:11
Great magic show. 00:34:12
At our steering committee meeting. 00:34:15
And I had seen a preview of it the day before and was just kind of back on the heels, but. 00:34:17
One of the key components of this plan is going to be we will be delivering a plan in a PDF format. 00:34:21
That you can print out. People can look at and read. 00:34:27
But probably for me, the most exciting part of this plan. 00:34:30
Will be the portals that are embedded in each of the chapters that allow readers of the plan. 00:34:34
To go to interactive maps. 00:34:40
Of. 00:34:43
Various aspects of the plan Housing. 00:34:44
Recreation. 00:34:47
Areas. 00:34:48
All the things that are. 00:34:51
Addressed in the plan. 00:34:52
And they'll be able to through the portal. It's an interactive process. 00:34:53
So. 00:34:59
Anyone who lives or is interested in holiday? 00:35:00
And focus in on their neighborhood or their businesses or? 00:35:03
Local area. 00:35:06
And get detailed information about that area. 00:35:08
It's very exciting. You'll see this probably in our next presentation. 00:35:12
As well the first plan I worked on with. 00:35:17
My old partner Ralph Becker was all words, a couple of graphs and that was it. 00:35:20
So things have changed dramatically. 00:35:24
I'm going to read to you here only because the Steering committee spent a great deal of time. 00:35:27
Wordsmithing. 00:35:33
Division statements and I think. 00:35:34
They felt that we do too, that it's important to get it right. 00:35:37
To make sure that we're conveying the message that we want to convey. 00:35:41
And we're not. 00:35:45
Oops, unnecessarily complicated things so. 00:35:46
The overall vision. 00:35:50
That the steering committee has recommended. This is the working version. 00:35:52
Holiday has preserved its characters beautiful and unique community that has saved family friendly. 00:35:56
And highly desirable place to live. 00:36:02
Work and play. 00:36:04
As holiday changes and evolves. 00:36:06
The city considers the needs of future generations. 00:36:08
While maintaining what is valued today. 00:36:12
So that. 00:36:16
Was an attempt at. 00:36:17
Acknowledging change in the future. 00:36:18
But really, cling to what is most important to us. 00:36:21
So. 00:36:26
One of the key components is a distinct character in small town feel. 00:36:28
Here, the vision is holiday protects and enhances public green space. 00:36:32
Maintains its flourishing tree canopy. 00:36:37
And supports. 00:36:40
Inviting shared spaces in all neighborhoods. 00:36:41
So that's. 00:36:46
Neighborhood level. 00:36:49
Next one. 00:36:50
Quality neighborhoods. 00:36:54
Holidays neighborhoods support residents by ensuring access to their daily needs. 00:36:56
Connectivity component. 00:37:01
The city supports diverse housing that meets the needs of the individuals and families. 00:37:03
At every stage of life. 00:37:08
Lots of conversation about. 00:37:11
This and. 00:37:12
Opportunities for various kinds of. 00:37:14
Next one. 00:37:18
Walkable and connected community. 00:37:20
Holiday prioritizes bicycle, pedestrian and transit connections. 00:37:22
That unite regional destinations. 00:37:27
And the city's gathering spaces. 00:37:30
Businesses, neighborhoods, and recreation. 00:37:32
So connectivity. 00:37:34
Is something we heard about repeatedly. 00:37:36
Next one. 00:37:39
Strong local economy. 00:37:41
Notice the word local is in there. 00:37:44
Holiday supports existing local businesses and builds upon commercial areas. 00:37:46
By providing opportunity for new businesses and. 00:37:52
And second, here we'll discuss. 00:37:55
Opportunity areas. 00:37:57
For additional development in the city. 00:37:59
Quality and net. 00:38:03
Quality recreation. 00:38:04
Natural spaces, holiday nurtures. 00:38:06
Its public amenities. 00:38:08
And national spaces ensuring that its breathtaking views. 00:38:10
Access. 00:38:13
Quality recreation spaces. 00:38:14
Are maintained now and for future generations. 00:38:16
Next. 00:38:23
Responsible renewal landfill. 00:38:24
This acknowledges that there will be some change in holiday and some additional development. 00:38:26
Holiday grows thoughtfully. 00:38:31
Integrating new development cohesively. 00:38:34
Encouraging sustainable change. 00:38:37
And providing exceptional service and infrastructure. 00:38:39
Or. 00:38:43
Redevelopment. 00:38:44
And existing neighborhoods. 00:38:45
I think that's covered all our. 00:38:49
Here we go. 00:38:50
So. 00:38:52
Where we are as we've. 00:38:53
Done a great deal of visioning. 00:38:55
And outreach. 00:38:58
2 steering committee meetings. 00:39:00
A vision and values event, March 29th. 00:39:02
And April first, an online poster session. 00:39:04
And I think. 00:39:07
Delaney touched on the level of. 00:39:08
Participation in those events. 00:39:10
I think I'm about ready to hand this off to you, Arna. 00:39:12
There we go. 00:39:17
OK. 00:39:18
Thank you. And as part of. 00:39:20
That event that we had in late March, early April, we also started asking about getting deeper. 00:39:21
We wanted to make the most of that one event and that one space, so we provided opportunities for people to interact with. 00:39:28
Some maps. 00:39:36
And actually leave thoughts about where spaces. 00:39:37
Could kind of sustain additional change. 00:39:41
Or there are things that ultimately just really need to be protected. 00:39:44
And so it opened up a great conversation. 00:39:48
With all folks that came to the event. 00:39:51
Just an opportunity to kind of acknowledge the fact that it is not just growth that is the. 00:39:54
Thing to kind of worry about, it's all of those other layers to it that are of concern and these are things that we've then 00:40:01
incorporated into some of our draft policies and goals so. 00:40:06
The biggest things that we heard you can see in this list here. Overwhelmingly, there's still a very strong support for the tree 00:40:12
canopy. 00:40:16
And this no matter whether we are at the maps or at, you know, the vision principles and talking to people about what they thought 00:40:21
about those. 00:40:24
That was #1 is to maintain that tree canopy. That's a very important part of holidays character, which was also something that was 00:40:28
very important. 00:40:32
And along with that was concerns about growth as I mentioned, but. 00:40:37
The the event allowed for us to get a little bit deeper than that. 00:40:41
A lot of it comes down to the scale of new growth and how quickly it's happening in specific places. 00:40:45
And. 00:40:51
Honestly, the scale of the buildings themselves, that was something that came up a lot. Whether it's obstructing your, you know, 00:40:52
your view of the mountains or whether that's going to cause issues related to traffic and accessibility because there's, you know, 00:40:58
additional units going in right next to you. 00:41:03
And then one other concept that came up quite a bit as well was this idea of commercial creeps. So those corridors. 00:41:08
That have a lot of economic activity. There's some concern about those kind of flowing into the surrounding neighborhoods. 00:41:15
And so all of these things, I think are not necessarily very surprising to folks. I think it helps to get some of that nuance from 00:41:22
these types of events, certainly. 00:41:27
And some big priority areas that emerged were the Holiday crossroads and then Holiday Hills. 00:41:31
Those were areas that people really thought. 00:41:38
Could sustain some change. They had really specific ideas, especially about that holiday crossroads area, which was really 00:41:41
interesting and helpful to see. You know, really just actually putting it down on the map of, you know, this area might be really 00:41:46
well suited. 00:41:51
You know, be a small shop or a restaurant or something like that, or this area should not be an apartment building because then 00:41:56
people can see into the neighborhood's yards or what have you, so. 00:42:02
We got pretty deep. 00:42:09
And that laid the foundation for again thinking about this next step of the goals and policies. 00:42:10
So you can see here the little yellow box. This is still in progress. 00:42:18
But I want to highlight a couple of key changes and key things that we're working toward in these goals and policy statements, so. 00:42:23
Number one is that in the current plan, there are some different sort of ways that recommendations or goals and policy statements 00:42:31
show up depending on which chapter you find yourself in. 00:42:37
And so across the board, we are going to use a really standardized approach and just make sure that it's really easy when you go 00:42:43
to whatever plan chapter it is. 00:42:47
To find your goal and then to find your policies and your action steps that apply to it. 00:42:52
So this is an example that you can see here on the screen as well. 00:42:57
Again, it's going to be consistent across all of the plan elements and hopefully this will also help people have a better 00:43:01
understanding. You know, we've heard a little bit about how vision statements and principles feel. 00:43:07
Very high level. It's hard to actually relate to what it means on the ground and I think. 00:43:12
That is a really important dynamic that we want to reinforce. So having this structure where you have your goal and your policy 00:43:18
and your action helps people kind of understand what that action is inevitably going to do or hopefully achieve. 00:43:24
And as I mentioned, this stage is still open, so we are still working on this at this moment. 00:43:34
And this actually is our questionnaire, our goals and policies questionnaire, which is open and available to the public. 00:43:40
Linked on the on the city's website as well. 00:43:47
And we are just asking about those goals and policies. So we've actually drafted several of them again. 00:43:50
Borrowing very heavily from the previous plan. 00:43:57
With some tweaks based on the things that we heard at the community engagement workshops. 00:44:00
And with that, that will be open for the next month or so. So we're hoping to get more feedback and continue to edit and tweak 00:44:05
those statements as we hear from the community. 00:44:10
And we have also concurrently been working on the rest of the plan, not just the goals and policy statements. 00:44:17
So the key changes to the plan that I want to highlight really quickly. Again, this is an update. 00:44:24
But it is going to look a little bit more different. 00:44:30
And that is because. 00:44:33
We've made some tweaks with the idea of really trying to encourage. 00:44:35
Folks to read and use the plan and also to just ensure that it's generally very readable, accessible and that there's not, as you 00:44:40
know, there's not ambiguity in the types of things that we're suggesting. 00:44:46
So one of those big places is the future land use map. 00:44:52
So we have made some changes to those using some of the lines that were previously in the future land use map. 00:44:56
And we have consolidated some of those categories and applied a kind of. 00:45:02
A new idea, which is this idea of opportunity categories, and we'll talk about those different maps in just a minute. 00:45:08
And then, oh, OK. 00:45:15
This one is the future land use map. So as you can see, it's a little bit less complicated than the previous one, and that is 00:45:17
because we did go through and consolidate some of those areas. 00:45:22
So we also, in addition to the consolidation, took the small area plan recommendations and just put them all on the same map. 00:45:27
Again, with that idea of encouraging accessibility, we want to make sure that you can kind of go to one place. 00:45:35
And have a good understanding of what the future land use recommendations are. 00:45:40
All in the same spot and just kind of have that broad level of understanding. 00:45:46
And another thing, again with the goal of trying to enhance readability, is this idea of breaking out the future land use 00:45:53
categories into different spreads like you see here. 00:45:58
So we have heard so much about the character of Holiday, and that's something that's really important to this plan, is pulling 00:46:05
imagery from the city itself and putting it right in the plan so that when you hear a goal or policy. 00:46:12
Or you're looking at a future land use designation. You can immediately picture what it actually looks like on the ground. 00:46:19
So this spread is trying to get at. 00:46:25
A quality description and summary of why that category exists and what it's trying to do. 00:46:29
And then we also have the applicable zones, which that is again aligned very closely with what's in the existing plan. 00:46:34
And then right in there we also have the dwelling units per acre listed so that people have a really good easy understanding of. 00:46:41
What that looks like. 00:46:49
And then like I said, those images to really hopefully paint the picture really clearly for people. 00:46:51
And then that that new concept that I mentioned just a minute ago is this idea of the opportunity categories. 00:46:59
So rather than having the stable or protected kind of subcategory in our future land uses. 00:47:07
We pulled those out and you'll notice that. 00:47:15
There's an evolved category that orange that you see on the map. 00:47:19
And these are areas that were identified in the previous plan with the small area master plan. 00:47:23
Or areas that the community has kind of expressed. 00:47:29
You know, level of comfort in some change, whether that's. 00:47:34
A you know, a new. 00:47:37
Change to the zone, or, you know, some increased density. 00:47:40
To an extent. 00:47:44
And so this. 00:47:46
Overlay is going to go in the plan alongside of the future land use map again hopefully to just bury. 00:47:47
Easily show you where some of those different types of opportunities exist throughout the city. 00:47:54
And then one additional concept, we've talked a lot about this idea of protect and the previous plan assigned a kind of protect. 00:48:02
Subcategory to several future land uses. 00:48:11
And so we wanted to get at why it was important to protect those areas. And So what you see here is a constraints map that talks 00:48:15
about some key features that are important. 00:48:20
Firstly, to kind of alert folks to that, there are really significant constraints to development in these areas. 00:48:25
And we just really, again, wanted that to all be in the same place. So we kind of know. 00:48:33
Certain areas you know in the. 00:48:37
Cottonwood estates that have some constraints. 00:48:41
But to actually be able to see it and point to it on a map and say this has limited access or this is, you know, within a flood 00:48:45
way, that's really helpful, hopefully for city staff and for decision makers as well so that they can justify decisions about 00:48:50
development or changes in those areas. 00:48:56
And that was a very quick overview of some of the changes that we've been working on. 00:49:04
We have several more and we are updating the steering committee on some of those as well, but you will all hear about that at our 00:49:10
next. 00:49:14
Update SO. 00:49:20
I want to open it for any questions right now and then I can talk really quickly about the next steps. 00:49:22
Project. 00:49:27
Stephanie, could you? 00:49:30
Go back to slide or talked about the keep going back, back, back, back, keep going. 00:49:32
A little bit more. 00:49:39
OK, so this is I guess this is still just in the works. It was what? 00:49:42
There's nothing. 00:49:46
Too far down the pipeline, John, I wanted to mostly ask you. 00:49:47
About this particular. 00:49:51
Maybe this is? 00:49:53
Let's say, for instance, this one goes into the plan, John. 00:49:56
Has established compatibility checklist for developers to demonstrate how projects respond to neighborhood context. 00:50:00
Who is would you say that would be? 00:50:07
A common element in a general plan for municipality? Or does that feel more cutting edge? Bleeding edge? 00:50:10
Or is this part of the course? 00:50:17
Sort of thing. 00:50:19
This is something that would be a new aspect that would be necessarily something that's not in all general plans requiring an 00:50:20
applicant to. 00:50:24
Provide proof for evidence that whatever proposed legislative change, whether it's. 00:50:28
Text amendment or rezone? 00:50:33
Is proven to have some type of foundation of compatibility. 00:50:36
I think that's what this policy would be getting at. 00:50:41
Right, but but the conclusion being this feels a little more bleeding edge or common. 00:50:44
It's not common. 00:50:49
OK, not in a general plan. 00:50:50
OK, so so. 00:50:51
I know sometimes the and I it's not my intent to criticize the committee. I'm supposed to be on that committee and I. 00:50:53
Apologize, I wasn't there last night. 00:50:59
My marital contract requires me to coach every six concert that comes to town or I'm in trouble. So. 00:51:02
Where I was last night. 00:51:09
But I know. 00:51:12
How? How's things? 00:51:14
How's it going in terms of? 00:51:16
Getting what you need from the process. 00:51:18
Are we? 00:51:21
Going out here or are we? 00:51:23
Are we getting to where we need to be? 00:51:26
Yeah. How would you characterize it without? I really appreciate Delaney bringing up the fact that this is an update. 00:51:28
The plan that you have in front of you that has been used over the past ten years or so. 00:51:35
Is cumbersome and it's difficult to navigate. 00:51:42
And that was one of the primary elements that we wanted to address and having Logan Simpson and their broad base of expertise 00:51:45
through. 00:51:49
All their. 00:51:53
Elements of. 00:51:56
Transportation to land use to open spaces has been helpful to guide that and keep us on track. 00:51:57
So we're on track to have a. 00:52:03
Set of draft chapters and having something that is deliverable to the community very quickly. 00:52:05
And I've been sober. Overall been extremely impressed with the process so far. 00:52:12
Some of the elements that you're seeing. 00:52:17
As far as imagery is concerned. 00:52:20
Is so refreshing. At least awesome. Yeah, from a planner's point of view. 00:52:22
You're not seeing those types of things in new general plans right now. 00:52:27
They're very hard to understand, very wordy. 00:52:32
But if you're able to look at one select page like this for example. 00:52:35
This in our current general plan, you would have to flip back and forth. 00:52:40
5 or 6 different pages to understand what's going on. 00:52:44
In the low density residential land use district. 00:52:48
So presentation wise, the bleeding edges looking pretty good, maybe need to rein in some concepts, but presentation formats, yeah, 00:52:52
sure. 00:52:57
Yeah. 00:53:02
But overall, you're given it a thumbs up going forward. 00:53:03
Awesome. 00:53:06
You have great partners that you can reflected. 00:53:08
I'm super impressed that you have described holidays character. 00:53:17
Unique things that are unique about holiday without using the word charm. 00:53:22
That's been challenging for us. 00:53:28
I really. 00:53:34
I haven't been able to go to as many of the meetings as I would have liked, but when I have been able to be there, been very 00:53:36
impressed with how they have. 00:53:39
Run and Really. 00:53:42
A lot of times we talk about how this council doesn't like to dive into the weeds on a lot of things. 00:53:44
I assure you that this steering committee absolutely dives into the weeds on everything. 00:53:49
Why I read those statements to you? 00:53:55
I don't. Delaney didn't get into the maps tonight, but they are really. 00:54:00
She said that. 00:54:06
There's not anything comparable in any of the cities that she's aware of, and I think that it truly makes it. 00:54:08
User friendly and for somebody who is not familiar with land use or city planning, but you could very much see how it's helpful 00:54:16
to. 00:54:20
Developers and to residents in all of the different layers that you can compare as far as zone and income and all these things 00:54:24
that you can pull up for as small as like a plot it was, it was very impressive. 00:54:31
And I think. 00:54:40
I think that the way that you have worked through. 00:54:42
Kind of restructuring the plan. 00:54:46
Based on these principles I've been very impressed with. So thank you for all of that work. It's a lot. 00:54:49
So thank you. 00:54:54
And any other questions or comments, I know we were maybe a little bit jumbled there too and we can cover kind of the next steps 00:54:57
as well. Sorry, I do have one comment. If it's possible to get the QR code to the member of the Council, just that we can then 00:55:04
send out to the people that we know through informal channels. And then John let us know as well that those signs that have the QR 00:55:10
code. 00:55:17
He has some more available in his office. 00:55:24
For this next questionnaire. 00:55:27
So that we can continue to get community feedback. I think that would be helpful. 00:55:29
Yeah, absolutely. And I think. 00:55:34
That especially will be. 00:55:37
Incredibly helpful for these goals. Policy statements. To your point, you know, that seemed a little bit of a forward. 00:55:39
Kind of, you know, strategy. 00:55:47
And so that's something we want to make sure that the community feels comfortable with that as well as. 00:55:50
Decision makers, anyone that's on our steering committee, any staff that it feels like it is. 00:55:56
The right goal or policy to include in the plan. 00:56:02
All right. 00:56:07
If there are any other thoughts or comments, feel free to. 00:56:09
Let us know throughout the process and yes. 00:56:14
We really do want to get a little bit more engagement, so we'll talk about that in just a minute. We have one more event before 00:56:16
the adoption process begins. 00:56:22
And we really want to make sure that we. 00:56:27
Reach out to folks as much as possible. So we're hoping to lean on steering committee on you folks, on whoever to ensure that we 00:56:30
reach a few more folks and get a very broad coverage of people to attend the events. 00:56:38
Or online questionnaires or follow up. 00:56:46
So I already mentioned and we just talked about questionnaire #2 is still open and that draft plan event is tentatively scheduled 00:56:50
for August. It will likely be mid August to later August. 00:56:56
And by that point in time, we would like to have the draft plan actually together so that people can respond to it. 00:57:02
That will also include that platform, the online platform that we were just talking about as well, so that people can zoom in on 00:57:09
the maps and have a better understanding of the context of the plan. And I think that's something that we're really excited about. 00:57:16
With the online portal and as mentioned, I've never, we've never created one of those for any of our cities and it's something I 00:57:23
think. 00:57:28
That really enhances the plan and makes it a little bit more. 00:57:32
Fun for people to actually explore and have a better understanding of. 00:57:36
Of what the context of affordability is or what the context of, you know, our Parks and Recreation amenities and where they are 00:57:39
and how many acres there are or what have you. So. 00:57:44
That is something that we are really excited to roll out as well and make sure that it's available for the public at this event 00:57:50
and then we get. 00:57:54
The response to it too. 00:57:58
All right. And then adoption is going to be we are still kind of on track hoping for fall. 00:58:02
So thank you. 00:58:08
OK. Any other thoughts or questions? 00:58:12
OK. Thank you very much. We're excited to get this. 00:58:18
If this update approved. 00:58:23
Thanks you guys appreciate it. 00:58:30
Thank you. 00:58:31
OK Cottonwood Mall Urban renewal area, ADL. 00:58:35
Just got a cold shepherd down my back. 00:58:43
So this is the first in a series of presentations that came out. 00:58:49
The council's retreat in February. 00:58:56
At that time, you identified a number of topics that you wanted a little bit more information about, and so this is the first one. 00:59:00
We'll hear more about bike lanes. 00:59:08
And a number of other topics that you identified at your meetings in July and August. 00:59:12
You can see my notes. 00:59:26
I do like Nemo. 00:59:40
Just from the beginning. 00:59:54
I'll be quick, I promise. 01:00:06
So while she's getting that up, I'll just reference UMM. 01:00:16
The name of the project area which is in urban renewal project area that was part of the legislation at the time. 01:00:21
The Cottonwood model project area was approved. 01:00:31
I don't think that's an option under current law, but it was for a moment in time. 01:00:34
All right. I can start with tax increment and just some basic questions before we kind of delve into the specifics of the project 01:00:55
area. 01:01:00
Some basic background information that I wanted to share. 01:01:05
Tax increment financing is a tool that. 01:01:09
The Legislature has given municipalities permission to use. 01:01:14
To incentivize private development in areas within our jurisdiction. 01:01:19
And those are called project areas. 01:01:24
That urban renewal project area type no longer exists. I don't think the other type that we used. 01:01:27
For Millrock. 01:01:34
Economic development project areas exist anymore either what those project areas are now called our community reinvestment. 01:01:36
Project areas, that's the current law could change, but the concept is. 01:01:45
Is really pretty much the same. 01:01:50
Once a project area is created, the redevelopment agency that created the project area is entitled to receive a portion. 01:01:55
Or all of the tax increment dollars that are generated in that area for a specified period of time, and that's usually between 15 01:02:04
and 20 years. 01:02:09
And Gina, that's from all taxing jurisdictions, not just from officer and it can be. 01:02:15
The two that we currently have are all taxing jurisdictions. 01:02:21
There are our Mill Rock project area that was in place until 20/21. 01:02:27
Granite School District participated up to a certain dollar threshold. Once that threshold was reached, we actually the 01:02:35
redevelopment agency wrote the school district a check each year for the amount. 01:02:42
That they contributed, so that is subject to negotiation. 01:02:50
You can also choose. 01:02:55
For certain entities. 01:02:57
I'm looking to tie and he's not here at the mosquito abatement district, for example, you can exclude certain. 01:03:00
Other uh. 01:03:07
Groups from participating. 01:03:09
So the redevelopment agency can then use those tax increment dollars it collects in those project areas to incentivize development 01:03:15
within the project area. 01:03:19
And that typically increases property values and then in turn it increases the amount of revenues. 01:03:24
Generated in the project area. 01:03:31
At the expiration of that tax increment collection period. 01:03:34
The dollars that had previously followed the redevelopment agency then go back to the school district or the county or the city. 01:03:40
And this is exactly what happened with the project area that we closed a few years ago, Mill Rock. 01:03:50
That project area was generating about $1.1 million. 01:03:57
Every year. 01:04:01
For the Redevelopment Agency at the end of that time. 01:04:03
It returned to the city about 180,000 to the school district. 01:04:09
A little less than 700,000 and then it was distributed regularly to those other agencies that participated as well. 01:04:14
Redevelopment projects. 01:04:24
Are commonly used for things like land purchases. 01:04:28
Installing infrastructure financial. 01:04:32
Incentive agreements and more generally, there should be a public purpose associated with that, the development of that project 01:04:36
area. 01:04:41
Let's go to the second slide, facts about holiday tax increment financing. 01:04:50
Sure, I'm roll. 01:05:02
All right, So Holly currently has two active redevelopment project areas, covers about 100 acres. 01:05:11
Of our 3300 total acres, so not much of our property in Holiday is in project areas. 01:05:20
And like I mentioned, we have two. 01:05:31
The Holiday Village project area. 01:05:34
Is due to expire. 01:05:37
And now I can't tell you whether it's 26 or 27, but it is very soon. 01:05:40
And the Cottonwood Mall Urban. 01:05:45
Urban renewal project area, which has a longer life, and we'll talk more specifically about that in a minute. 01:05:49
Just to give you a sense of perspective though. 01:05:55
Salt Lake City, South Jordan, South Salt Lake, West Jordan and West Valley each have more than 10 redevelopment project areas 01:05:59
within their city. 01:06:03
It's a tool that. 01:06:08
Other cities have used much more frequently than we have in holiday. 01:06:10
And in general, project areas in Salt Lake County have received more than $1.5 billion in cumulative. 01:06:16
Tax increment from those project areas. 01:06:25
Over the last decade. 01:06:28
So this slide shows you where the boundaries for the Cottonwood Mall Urban Renewal project area are. 01:06:33
And I would just point out a couple of things. 01:06:40
You'll notice that it extends to the north. 01:06:44
On Murray Holiday Rd. 01:06:48
Umm, incorporating some of that area? Where is it? Are we still calling it Beethoven? 01:06:50
Yeah, like real taqueria and all of that, that area. 01:07:00
And then to the West where the liquor store property is and just a reminder, we're not collecting property tax there. 01:07:06
And then continues just a little to the. 01:07:14
South of. 01:07:20
Arbor where the roots. 01:07:22
Nursery used to be. 01:07:27
OK, next slide. So how was this project area created? 01:07:31
Just a couple of things to know here. Under Utah law, a City Council can create a redevelopment agency or RDA. 01:07:38
Which this Council did, I think, in the very. 01:07:46
First year that the city was established and RDA was also created. 01:07:49
That RDA, as you know from the process you just went through to approve the budget, is a separate legal entity. 01:07:54
However, you sit on that board just like you sit on the City Council. 01:08:02
At the time this project area was created. 01:08:08
State law required that the RDA receive approval from a taxing entity, committee, or tech. 01:08:12
And that included all members. 01:08:21
That we're assessing taxes at that time. 01:08:24
The law has subsequently changed, but that's the law that was in place at the time and so everything I'm about to share. 01:08:27
Reflects the process that we followed them. 01:08:34
So. 01:08:39
In order for the RDA to get approval from that tech committee. 01:08:41
To create this project area, we had to agree to a few things. 01:08:48
First of all, the tech had to approve both a plan. 01:08:54
For this project area how it was going to develop? 01:08:58
And then a budget for the project area as well. 01:09:02
The world looked very different in 2008 than it looks now. 01:09:07
So a. 01:09:12
What I would characterize is a very aggressive budget was approved. 01:09:14
By that tech committee in 2008. 01:09:21
The budget. 01:09:26
Also commits 75%. 01:09:28
Of property tax increment from all taxing entities that assess property tax. 01:09:31
At the site to the RDA. 01:09:38
And it set a base year which was also. 01:09:42
I think that was 2003. 01:09:45
You think it's 2007? 01:09:53
OK. There is a base year set. 01:09:55
For the value of the property. 01:09:59
And that value was $31 million. That part I do remember. 01:10:02
We are. 01:10:08
At this point. 01:10:09
Beginning to see values again that exceed that base level. 01:10:11
So as part of their approval, the tech had several conditions. 01:10:17
One was that the city commit 75% of our. 01:10:22
Point of sale sales tax to project area expenses. And so just like we set a base. 01:10:27
For property tax, we also set a base for sales tax. 01:10:34
And once we exceed that base level, we need to share point of sale sales tax. 01:10:39
When? 01:10:48
Property tax and sales tax. Together, those increments exceed $122,000,000. 01:10:49
No further contribution from any entity is required. 01:10:56
The tech also. 01:11:02
Had us commit and this is something we've talked a lot about. 01:11:05
How does commit 100 units of affordable housing at 80% of AMI? 01:11:09
As part of one of the terms of agreeing to create this project area. 01:11:16
There's a maximum contribution of property tax increment from all parties at $96 million. 01:11:22
And then the tech also committed to a 20 year. 01:11:29
Time frame. 01:11:33
And so originally. 01:11:35
Remembering back in 2008. 01:11:37
We thought that was going to start somewhere between 2011 and 2013. 01:11:42
And then there was that big recession. And so that didn't happen. The tech extended it. 01:11:48
To 2017. 01:11:54
But at that time said no more. It would be triggered in 2017 and that's what happened. 01:11:56
For those of you who are on the Council in 2021, you may recall that the Legislature. 01:12:03
Made a change that allowed us to extend the project area by two years. 01:12:09
Without approval of the tech, just as a. 01:12:15
As a way to address the impact of Covad. 01:12:20
And so that is what has happened. That means that now this project area has been extended through 2038. 01:12:24
2020 What 2038? 01:12:33
If something was triggered in 2017, wouldn't it have? 01:12:38
Expired in 2037. It expires in December of 2036. 01:12:42
And so our 20. 01:12:48
January 20. December 2038. Yeah. 01:12:50
OK, so that brings us to the agreement to develop land. 01:12:56
How is this agreement to develop land created? 01:13:05
All that same thing that we talked about before the City Council created the RDA. 01:13:09
The RDA created a project area and then remembering that condition with the tech that we have to share sales tax. 01:13:16
The RDA. The city. 01:13:26
And the developer and entered into an agreement to develop the land. 01:13:29
And that kind of sets the parameters for increment. 01:13:33
I want to highlight a couple of key provisions of that agreement. 01:13:39
Umm 20% of all property tax increment received by the RDA until it reaches. 01:13:44
$500,000. 01:13:53
Is retained by the RDA for affordable housing purposes. So that's kind of the first bucket. 01:13:55
Of money that can be spent. 01:14:02
Through. 01:14:05
2020 through this current year, we were just approaching. 01:14:07
$500,000 of increment from this site. 01:14:13
So we, we haven't moved beyond that this year you may recall from our budget conversations. 01:14:17
Increment from that project area added $330,000 I believe. 01:14:24
Yes. 01:14:30
To that bucket. 01:14:33
But to this point, all of that money, all of the increment that has come into the RDA, was dedicated to affordable housing. 01:14:35
The next bucket $150,000. 01:14:44
Our 2018 revision of the ADL. 01:14:48
Said it should be used for Highland Drive and it was written pretty broadly so it could be for. 01:14:52
Lobbying work to. 01:14:59
Move that forward. 01:15:02
As a priority and for direct work so that next 150 is for Highland Drive. 01:15:04
When you say Highland Drive. 01:15:11
Anywhere on Highland Drive. 01:15:14
So I don't believe that is specified. 01:15:17
I think the idea is presumably in front of the project. I imagine right? 01:15:20
Yeah, the remainder of the 20% that is dedicated for housing. 01:15:24
Is shared with the developer. 01:15:33
And then the developer is responsible for meeting 50 of the 100 affordable housing units. 01:15:37
That we committed to. 01:15:45
The tech. 01:15:47
To build. 01:15:48
100% of the available property tax increment and you'll remember that available is that 75%. 01:15:52
Gets paid to the developer once certain conditions are met, and we'll talk about those conditions in just a second. 01:16:00
2.5% of property tax received. 01:16:07
Is retained for administrative purposes. 01:16:11
And then 100% of available sales tax and that's the 75% of point of sale sales tax. 01:16:15
Is paid to the developer. 01:16:23
The other thing this. 01:16:26
ADL did originally was exempt the project from the requirement of undergrounding transit power transmission lines. 01:16:28
I believe the developer is planning now to underground a portion of those power lines. 01:16:37
I have a question on that last slide. 01:16:46
So the developer is responsible for 50 of the 100 affordable housing units. 01:16:47
Who's responsible but for the other 50? The city. 01:16:51
That we. 01:16:55
Like creating incentives for other developers in other places to build them, Is that OK? 01:16:57
And I think that's the idea. We've certainly been working through some options that could be construction. 01:17:01
Of new units the tech committee agreement set aside, you know, offered some. 01:17:09
Parameters for what that could look like, it could look like housing rehab and you'll recall that and mentioned we are likely to 01:17:16
receive some CDBG funds. We can count those units that we were able to rehab toward that 100 affordable housing units. 01:17:24
OK, there are some other key conditions, that is that are part of the ADL. 01:17:39
In order to qualify for payment of the increment, the developer has to meet a minimum investment amount in the site. 01:17:46
That was defined as 115 million. 01:17:54
They have to complete site improvements, infrastructure and investment improvements and then meet minimums for residential and 01:17:58
office and retail. 01:18:03
Umm, they have to show reasonable progress in the project area before they receive any increments. 01:18:09
And those were defined as 134 housing units. 01:18:16
100,000 square feet of office. 01:18:20
And 60,000 square feet of retail. 01:18:23
This is John and I were talking this afternoon. We haven't. 01:18:27
Looked at the project through this lens as of yet. 01:18:31
But we think the developer has likely met the 134 housing units. 01:18:35
The other two elements. 01:18:41
I don't believe have yet been met. 01:18:43
So I know the results, there's been no incremental flow yet to the developer. That's right. 01:18:48
And then maybe it's in a future slide and apologize, you can put me off. 01:18:52
But also isn't the way they receive increment is by? 01:18:57
Like submitting invoices for certain types of. 01:19:02
Public infrastructure costs. 01:19:06
For within the development, is it sort of a reimbursement for? 01:19:08
Public infrastructure costs. 01:19:12
I would have to look at the exact terms. I don't believe so because we are responsible for those. 01:19:15
Public infrastructure improvements, there's about two and a half, $1,000,000 worth of off site improvements. 01:19:22
Those include improvements on. 01:19:30
Highland Drive and on Marie Holiday Rd. 01:19:33
One of which we talked about a few months ago as part of the budget amendment, there's a traffic signal that needs to be improved. 01:19:37
And the developer because increment has not yet started flowing. 01:19:47
Did not, Could not. 01:19:53
Fund their obligation upfront. 01:19:57
And so the Council at that point chose to, basically. 01:19:59
Funded ourselves with reimbursement coming later from the developer. 01:20:04
Is that is that separate from the pay city up to 2.5 million for public improvements? 01:20:10
Bullet No, that's the same. It is the same. 01:20:17
So, yeah, so. 01:20:21
I guess I want to understand that because. 01:20:23
It's basically saying we're supposed to put all that in that's going to reimburse us, but. 01:20:25
It sounds like they're supposed to put it in. 01:20:30
No, we were meant to put it in and then they were meant to reimburse us. 01:20:32
One of the changes that we made in 2018 was that. 01:20:38
That wasn't dependent on the flow of increment. They were responsible for paying us up front regardless of whether increment had 01:20:42
was flowing or not. 01:20:47
The developer, as they explained to us. 01:20:53
Did not, were not in a position to do that and that's why the Council made that choice. 01:20:55
Todd, I don't know if you have anything to add. 01:21:00
We'll be looking at. 01:21:03
Likely some sort of adjustments and what that mechanism is. 01:21:06
Will be determined in the next few weeks. 01:21:12
But you'll be making an adjustment that reflects that. 01:21:15
Will withhold increments to pay ourselves back? OK so. 01:21:20
Just so yeah, I just want to make sure I got that right so. 01:21:24
That bullet point, basically. 01:21:28
Is. 01:21:31
Us taking on the responsibility of the. 01:21:33
Developer. 01:21:36
And we're going to take that increment. That's right. 01:21:38
Is where they should have done that. So yeah, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't really part. 01:21:41
That wasn't part of the ADL. That's been a change to it. 01:21:46
Based on the fact that. 01:21:50
They're basically saying they're not going to fund those improvements because increments not flowing. 01:21:52
Right. 01:21:58
OK. 01:22:01
And then the final point is that the original ADL going back to 2008. 01:22:03
Assessed police and fire impact fees. 01:22:10
But storm water fees and storm water impact fees and parks impact fees. 01:22:15
Were either reduced or credited as part of that original. 01:22:23
Agreement. Umm. 01:22:28
So that is a 40,000. 01:22:32
Square foot. 01:22:38
Look at the ADL. 01:22:40
There's a lot more detail and that's something if you have more specific questions, we can certainly talk offline or however you 01:22:43
would like. 01:22:47
But there are a couple of other terms that I. 01:22:52
Just are probably important for you to know about this project area. 01:22:55
And that you may hear about at your next meeting. 01:23:00
One is the RMU zone or Regional mixed-use zone. This is defined in title 13. 01:23:04
And it sets development standards for anything that is regional mixed-use. 01:23:12
And that allows for overall development that encompass encompasses a mix of uses. 01:23:19
Including residential and non residential uses within the same building. 01:23:25
That zone. 01:23:32
Also. 01:23:34
References the SDMP or the Site Development Master Plan. 01:23:36
And that serves much like that general plan that we just talked about. 01:23:41
It provides a lot more detail about the site specifically. 01:23:46
It's meant to be used as a guiding future growth. 01:23:52
And it is comprehensive but flexible. 01:23:56
This was. 01:24:01
Thinking back to 2018, this was the subject of. 01:24:02
A lot of discussion, both within our community. 01:24:06
And then? 01:24:09
Within our court system. 01:24:11
That's putting it mildly, and diplomatically. 01:24:14
The last two slides really just look at the timeline for the project area. 01:24:20
And looks at. 01:24:26
What was happening? Generally what the City Council did and that RDA board actions. 01:24:28
And the first slide kind of takes us through the early part of the 2000s. 01:24:35
Second slide about half that page is 2018. 01:24:42
What we were left with after the court ruling and the referendum in 2018. 01:24:48
Was an SDMP and an ADL that weren't perfectly matched. 01:24:55
During 2018 we had gone to a lot of effort to match up updates. 01:25:02
And so. 01:25:10
They were not perfectly aligned. We tried to fix a lot of that in 2020 and 2021. 01:25:13
We're still occasionally finding things that reflect. 01:25:21
The 2017 plan. 2018 Plan. 01:25:25
But the ADL refers. 01:25:30
Which the ADL refers to. 01:25:32
The STMP, though, is back to that 2008 plan. 01:25:35
So question, can I answer questions? Was this helpful or just more confusing? 01:25:41
You know I do have AI am curious like. 01:25:49
When you look at. 01:25:53
The project area I guess or the full and. 01:25:55
The full area. 01:26:00
Overlay for. 01:26:02
The RDA or the increment? 01:26:04
So. 01:26:06
What happens with the root site? 01:26:08
It is eligible for RDA funds, correct? 01:26:11
It would be, yes. 01:26:14
But uh. 01:26:15
They are not part of. 01:26:16
That would be separate from. 01:26:18
What is? 01:26:20
Allowed with the Holiday Hill site. 01:26:21
It would be because there's not, and it is not part of the agreement to develop land, one of the changes that we made in 2018. 01:26:25
Was to separate out the increment from the project area which included those other areas. 01:26:34
And. 01:26:41
Basically changed it so we were only sharing increment with holiday hills. 01:26:43
Or what has become Holiday Hills. 01:26:49
That. 01:26:51
Related to the project site rather than the project area. And that would leave the RDA board some flexibility if you wanted to 01:26:52
incentivize. 01:26:57
Development within the area but not on the site. 01:27:03
So those areas outside of the Holiday Hill site? 01:27:07
If they are redeveloped, that money will just. 01:27:12
Flow to the RDA. The increment will flow to the RDA. 01:27:15
And. 01:27:20
But there would be opportunity to work with those. 01:27:22
Developers, if we so chose, or they asked. 01:27:26
Because it does go out to 2030, almost 2039. 01:27:30
That's right. So there's still. 01:27:34
14 years of. 01:27:36
Potential increment to flow. 01:27:38
I'm just kind of saying that for the council, I guess. 01:27:42
There's those pieces that are not part of. 01:27:45
The Holiday Hill site that that. 01:27:47
Have. 01:27:49
Potential increment. 01:27:51
If there's value increased on those sites. 01:27:53
I don't see much opportunity over where the liquor store is and. 01:27:57
I assume that's the gas station and. 01:28:01
Jiffy Lube. 01:28:04
Yeah, yeah, I think that's right, although I'm not even sure Jiffy Lube is included. I think it might just be the gas station in 01:28:05
the liquor store. 01:28:09
It might, yeah. That little piece would be. I'll bet that's a little easement that goes back to the. 01:28:15
To the river and then the South pieces the. 01:28:21
Is the gas station. 01:28:24
Gotcha. OK. But yeah, across the street there where? 01:28:26
You know, there's a lot of little properties there. If somebody wanted to cobble something together or somebody wanted to do 01:28:30
something on the root site, there would be opportunity there. 01:28:34
But. 01:28:41
I mean, the bottom line is. 01:28:41
All this money. 01:28:43
Flows to the RDA. It's up to us to then. 01:28:46
Look at. 01:28:50
The ADL and decide. 01:28:52
Who gets what? 01:28:54
Yeah. I mean, I think at this point because we have not met the minimums, the RDA is we're, we're just retaining those funds. 01:28:56
They there will be money that will be distributed once those conditions are met. 01:29:08
And then? 01:29:14
Ideally. 01:29:16
That the other 25%, so 75 goes 75% goes to the RDA. The other 25 would just be returned to us, likely in the form of new growth. I 01:29:18
don't think we'd see it separated. 01:29:25
But it's just part of overall growth. 01:29:33
But there will be money. 01:29:39
From the project. 01:29:42
Project area that is not. 01:29:44
Specific to the project site that would be available for other purposes. 01:29:47
Gina, when do you think that the other conditions? 01:29:53
Would be met. 01:29:56
I'm going to let John answer that question. 01:29:59
Question. 01:30:04
For housing. 01:30:05
Definitely meeting those parameters you have. 01:30:07
Of 250 homes that have been built. 01:30:10
50 that are under construction and. 01:30:13
100 and 5:00-ish that are entitled. 01:30:16
The 100,000 square foot of office. 01:30:20
With even with the kiln site there may be. 01:30:23
25% of the way there. 01:30:26
And nowhere near on square footage of range. 01:30:29
OK, probably. 01:30:32
Maybe breaking 20,000? 01:30:34
Several years yet then it sounds like. 01:30:37
Because even what's framed up on the opposite side, they've got to even. 01:30:40
Start new frame up on. 01:30:44
More office. 01:30:46
There's announcements coming that they believe that could. 01:30:48
Bite off a big chunk of that in the next two years. 01:30:52
Good. 01:30:55
But if I could just kind of the one thing that I always have to when I occasionally have a. 01:30:56
Meeting with a citizen who. 01:31:03
Doesn't understand tax increment financing always. 01:31:07
Start with the conclusion that the city is putting their property tax money. 01:31:11
In the pockets of developers. 01:31:16
Never the case. 01:31:18
But rather increment. 01:31:20
His ascent is basically defined as the increased property taxes that are assessed. 01:31:23
On the developers property they're developing. 01:31:29
They're increasing its value through development and thus they have to pay more property tax. It's that. 01:31:32
Increment of property tax. 01:31:37
Then they get a rebate on essentially of their own property taxes that they're paying on their own property. 01:31:40
So the city's property taxes it collects from the general population into our general fund. 01:31:45
Those funds are sacred. They never just go get distributed out to developers. 01:31:49
Tax increment is the incremental property taxes assessed. 01:31:54
To that property owner. 01:31:59
That is assessed in addition as a result of them having increased the value of that property. 01:32:01
And that's it. 01:32:06
That was a fantastic explanation. What you just summarized is sometimes called a BUP for analysis, but for the improvements there 01:32:07
would be no property tax increment available. 01:32:14
Yeah, and the piece below the base. 01:32:22
Is just distributed as normal. 01:32:25
So you're. 01:32:28
The tax on 30 million. Tax on 30 million. 01:32:29
So the. 01:32:37
The requirements. 01:32:40
That John is talking about. 01:32:42
Where are those requirements contained? Are they contained within the SDMP or within the ADL? Within the ADL? 01:32:44
So our ability to change what those requirements are as an administrative action of the RDA board, correct? 01:32:52
Yes. 01:33:03
OK, so. 01:33:04
I'm just going to talk out loud here. 01:33:08
Because well, well, because I don't think I'm saying anything inappropriate, but. 01:33:10
Part of the. 01:33:16
Be careful here. 01:33:19
I'm just saying the ADL was generated in 2008. 01:33:22
Correct. 01:33:28
Amended in 2008. 01:33:31
21. 01:33:35
And. 01:33:38
Yeah, so the. 01:33:43
I'm just saying the world's changed. 01:33:44
When you talk about all this office space, the office world has changed. 01:33:47
And I'm just saying if. 01:33:51
It's OK, I think, to look at that stuff if there's. 01:33:55
If things make sense, it's OK to look at it and make adjustments if adjustments need to be. That's all I'm saying. 01:34:00
Yeah, the SDMP was land use and ADL was tax increment. 01:34:06
Yeah. I mean, basically what the court said was when we changed, when we made changes to the SDMP that. 01:34:13
That that was a zoning issue, I guess and and so they held in favor of the residents at that point, but I think they also said 01:34:20
that. 01:34:24
That are. 01:34:28
Our actions as it related to the ADL is it administrative acts of the RDA board, which is completely within our purview. 01:34:29
So. 01:34:37
I'm just saying. 01:34:39
So the only caveat that I would add to what you just said, Mayor, is that anything that would affect the key provisions. 01:34:42
Of the tech resolution contained on this slide. 01:34:51
We would probably, I think it would still be an administrative action, but we would we would need. 01:34:55
Would need to talk about how to reconvene that group. 01:35:03
Need to find the tech committee? 01:35:07
That involved school district and mosquito abatement board and the library fund. 01:35:10
We've already talked, yeah. 01:35:14
They would have to reconvene a tech committee because the tech committee that. 01:35:17
Voted on. This doesn't exist anymore, essentially. 01:35:21
Those individuals don't so. 01:35:23
The district and the county would have to. 01:35:25
Appoint representatives of the tech and anyway, we also talked about. 01:35:28
They would have to initiate such a thing, right? 01:35:35
Well, I think that, yeah, we would talk about that as it related to. 01:35:38
You know if. 01:35:42
There was an extension to the. 01:35:43
Umm, the time period. 01:35:46
I mean, that's not something the city is going to. 01:35:50
Weigh in on if they want to do it. I guess they could, but it would be up to them, not us. 01:35:52
Carry their own water in that, yeah. 01:35:57
But anyway. 01:35:59
Gina. 01:36:02
The 100 units of affordable housing. 01:36:04
So the city is responsible for 50 in one way or another. 01:36:09
I have a vague recollection that the state has come in and said that there's a time. 01:36:13
Deadline on that, can you refresh my memory? There are and I apologize, but I cannot remember. We have a really nice little. 01:36:18
Chart that explains the different. 01:36:29
Timing restrictions for each. 01:36:32
There are time limits based on. Say we have $2,000,000 worth of. 01:36:36
Housing increment from Mill Rock that has 1 clock. 01:36:43
There are other clocks. 01:36:48
What I'd love to do is send that chart out to the Council rather than with speak. 01:36:51
That would be great, I just don't remember the time. 01:36:56
I assume and Francis. 01:36:59
Person is all over that stuff. 01:37:02
She is very aware of it. We have been working, working diligently on finding a path forward. 01:37:04
Yeah, my head is spinning, so hopefully hers is not. 01:37:12
Have we met any of that requirement? 01:37:17
I believe one unit. 01:37:21
OK, better than that. 01:37:23
99 to go. 01:37:28
All right. 01:37:32
Thank you. 01:37:33
We just want to touch base on times for council real quick. I know we've got a conflict already. I think we were good with August. 01:37:38
We finalized that correct the 7th, 21st we're. 01:37:43
Our best bets? 01:37:49
But the dates in September, the 4th and 18th, the 4th is going to be challenging. 01:37:51
I am not going to be in town. And Drews got another commitment. 01:37:55
Umm, so we're thinking about trying to move to the 12th and the 18th. Hold on, let's just go back. So August is the 7th and then 01:38:00
the 21st, OK. And then what are you proposing for September? 01:38:06
11th and 18th. Oh, I'm sorry. 11th and 18th, yeah. 01:38:13
I will not be here on the 11th either. I'm out of the country so I'll be back for the 18th meeting. 01:38:18
But as long as we can get 5 here, I would say go with the 11th. 01:38:24
Works for me. That works for me. We'll see how big the agenda is. 01:38:29
OK. 01:38:33
Fall break is. 01:38:42
Oh, like the 16th? 01:38:45
Through the 20th. 01:38:47
October would be the second. 01:38:53
And then probably the 23rd. 01:38:58
Because permeate. 01:39:04
OK. You said the 2nd and the 23rd. 01:39:16
I will be gone. 01:39:22
High quality balance. 01:39:24
Through October 2nd and 20. 01:39:28
2nd and 23rd. 01:39:33
OK. 01:39:46
Any. 01:39:52
I think we've got, I know we got movie night Saturday and that's about all we've got coming up I. 01:39:55
I mean, I will just say very briefly before. 01:40:00
I can see poised. 01:40:02
Ready to pounce on the adjourn motion? 01:40:06
No, I did. I did. 01:40:09
I was here Monday night for a function and. 01:40:12
Just popped down the hall. 01:40:15
And they were. 01:40:17
Rehearsing down there and they had. 01:40:19
The little Cottonwood room was full of kids. Well, not kids. A lot of adults too. 01:40:21
Umm. And yeah, they're working really, really hard on this play. 01:40:27
And so. 01:40:31
And you know, I reached out to Megan. I'm like, are we going to send? She had already. 01:40:34
I think, Lena, I don't know how much you're working with Megan on that, Lena, but it sounds like the wheels are in motion on a 01:40:38
marketing package and. 01:40:42
To get the word out and get some tickets sold so that that'll be great. But. 01:40:45
It was. 01:40:49
We were like Joanie and I walked in and they did a big number for us and it was pretty amazing. 01:40:50
So I'm excited about that. It'll be great. 01:40:55
How did it go last Saturday? 01:40:58
For the movie. 01:40:59
Went really well. 01:41:01
Great. That's great. They've got. 01:41:04
Sandlock. 01:41:07
Just this week, so. 01:41:08
No closed session. 01:41:11
No closed session. 01:41:13
Mr. Mayor. 01:41:14
I move to adjourn. 01:41:16
Second, all in favor? 01:41:19
Aye, we're adjourned. Thanks everybody. 01:41:23
Gosh, I won't see you until the 17th. 01:41:26
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OK, are we ready? OK, we will call the Holiday City Council meeting to order on June 12th and start with the pledge. 00:00:01
The United States of America. 00:00:13
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:18
OK, public comments open anybody for public comment? 00:00:31
There being none, we will. 00:00:37
Close public comment and move to item number 4. The incentive award on the agenda is going to move to July 17 so we can actually 00:00:39
have the. 00:00:43
Recipient. 00:00:47
Present. 00:00:49
For that presentation. 00:00:50
And next is a very important employee Recognition Award. 00:00:52
Thank you, Mayor and Council. We have one award this year and it's a big one. 00:01:03
The city incorporated 25 years ago, and Stephanie Carlson was hired soon after the city incorporated. 00:01:09
So early 2000. 00:01:17
And is now celebrating 25 years with the city. 00:01:19
Everybody knows Stephanie. She's the first person that all of you interact with as you file for candidacy. 00:01:23
And really starting then she takes care to make sure that those running for office. 00:01:31
Have the information that they need to run. 00:01:37
And then that continues once you're elected, she makes sure each week that you have the information that you need to serve. 00:01:40
Stephanie takes on a lot and she does that willingly. 00:01:49
Over 25 years, I think there's very little she hasn't done in our city. 00:01:53
A lot of what she does might not be high profile, but it's critical. 00:01:57
She's the person we all call when something isn't working. 00:02:02
And I mean that really broadly. 00:02:05
She's the person we call it. The security system isn't working when our e-mail isn't working, when the HVAC isn't working. 00:02:08
Her focus is always on problem solving and she gets it done. 00:02:17
Stephanie is also the person who keeps all of our memories. 00:02:24
Both in the formal sense. 00:02:28
Her critical part of her job is keeping our records. 00:02:30
But also any informal way she remembers what's important to everyone and works hard to make sure that everyone's priorities are 00:02:34
met. 00:02:38
For me, Stephanie has been invaluable, helping me make sense of why things are done in a particular way. 00:02:43
And helping me think through the pros and cons of making change. 00:02:50
Here's the memory all keeps. 00:02:55
Stephanie has been a critical part of Holiday from the very beginning, and I'm thrilled to recognize her contribution over the 00:02:57
past 25 years. 00:03:01
With this certificate and check. 00:03:05
Oh. 00:03:29
Yeah. 00:04:16
So Stephanie knows where all the bodies are buried. 00:04:26
It was funny, we across the hall, we were trying to. 00:04:34
Figure out how we were going to do this little presentation for James and she had got the zoom. 00:04:37
Connection all worked out and. 00:04:42
For some reason, we started reminiscing. She's like, are you going to? 00:04:46
Are you getting melancholy about leaving? And I'm like. 00:04:49
Actually, yeah, I kind of am a little bit. 00:04:52
But I think like it's 12 years for me and 25 for you, so. 00:04:55
You must have come on board. 00:04:59
Two years after the city incorporated 90. 00:05:02
Or 2001. 00:05:06
Tooth so right after so you've seen every mayor. 00:05:11
Every City Council. 00:05:15
Been through. 00:05:18
Changing a form of government A. 00:05:20
I think the mayor's suing their council as I recall. 00:05:25
That should I not bring that up? 00:05:28
It happened right? 00:05:33
There's an idea. A recession. 00:05:35
I mean a recession A. 00:05:37
Pandemic. A mall, A pandemic. The mall being torn down, a pandemic. 00:05:40
Umm, you should write a book. You should write a book. 00:05:48
Or maybe not. 00:05:50
Hello. Yeah, I don't know, you know, I was reading something, some article. 00:05:56
A couple months ago and it talked about, you know, people entering the workforce now and how. 00:06:01
Many jobs they can expect to have over the course of their career. Like it's not. 00:06:06
People don't stick around as much as they used to and so to be. 00:06:11
In a place for. 00:06:15
25 years and watch it grow and evolve and. 00:06:17
Become what it is today, Which? 00:06:23
I'm pretty proud of, and I think this council is pretty proud of, and you've played a big part in that. 00:06:25
Umm, you're to be commended for that, and we appreciate all that you've done. 00:06:31
You've been awesome. 00:06:35
And kept me from tripping up on. 00:06:38
Many occasions. 00:06:41
So congratulations, it's awesome. 00:06:43
All right. 00:06:48
So we've got the continued public hearing. 00:06:50
It's still open. Natalie, did you want to comment on the budget? 00:06:53
In that case, I'm going to close the public hearing. 00:06:58
And we'll move on to item number six. 00:07:01
This is the ordinance amendment. These are the budget amendments for. 00:07:06
This fiscal year that we reviewed. 00:07:11
Last council meeting they were in the packet. Christian prepared those. We went through them. There was 1 minor change which we 00:07:15
noted. 00:07:18
Any other questions? 00:07:21
Our concerns before we take a motion. 00:07:23
If we don't have any, I'll just start asking for motions as we start working our way through these ordinances. 00:07:26
Mr. Merritt, we have approval of Ordinance 2025-08 amending the budget for fiscal year beginning July 1st, 2024. 00:07:31
Through June 2025. 00:07:37
2nd. 00:07:39
OK, we have a motion, a second Councilmember Durham. 00:07:41
Aye, Councilmember Fotheringham, Councilmember Quinn, Councilmember Gray and Chair vote yes. That budget amendments approved. 00:07:44
Thank you, Christian. 00:07:49
OK. We're required to set the mill rate for this year or determine the rate of tax for 2025? 00:07:56
This is item number 7 on the agenda. Any questions for? 00:08:03
Gina, before we take a motion on this item. 00:08:07
I just like to remind the public who might be paying attention that we did not. 00:08:11
Raise property taxes this year. This is just establishing the rate. 00:08:15
It means that it's just the rate established by the county that gives us the same amount of revenue. 00:08:19
As last go round. 00:08:25
And that rate just happens to workout to the one in the ordinance. 00:08:26
So with that I move approval of Ordinance 2025 Dash 29 determining the rate of tax for 2025 tax year. 00:08:30
Lending taxes upon real and personal property within holiday. 00:08:36
Second, OK, we have a motion and a second on the tax rate. Councilmember Durham. Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, Yes. 00:08:40
Councilmember Quinn? Yes. Councilmember Gray? Yes. Chair votes yes and the certified tax rate for 24/20/25 is approved. Thank you. 00:08:47
Item number 8. 00:08:56
This is the. 00:08:58
Compensation schedule for elected officials as required by the state legislature. Any questions from the Council on this item? 00:09:00
There have been no changes since last week, right? 00:09:07
Her last meeting? 00:09:10
No changes since last meeting. 00:09:13
So it's still. 00:09:15
950 an hour, yeah. 00:09:17
Oh, so you did get a raise. Oh, that's right. Plus plus 3%. 00:09:20
Mr. Mayor, I motion to approve ordinance. 00:09:28
2025-10 approving A compensation schedule for elected executive appointed statutory, statutory and all other municipal officials. 00:09:31
Second OK motion is second. Council Member Durham Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham Yes. Councilmember Quinn Yes. Councilmember Gray 00:09:42
yes and chair votes yes. 00:09:47
Thank you. 00:09:52
OK. This is consideration of Ordinance 2025 eleven. This is the adoption of the final budget. 00:09:54
As reviewed. 00:10:01
Last week. 00:10:03
You'll recall that we. 00:10:05
Past the tentative budget in early May, I think it was May 2nd. I don't hold me to the date. 00:10:07
We've been through our processes and last week. 00:10:12
We received and it's in the packet as well that. 00:10:15
That listed the changes to that tentative budget, which is what we would be approving today with this boat where? 00:10:19
Christians kind of gone through and said, look, here was your tentative budget. 00:10:25
Here's a list of all the changes that were considered. There it is. 00:10:29
Which which gives us the final budget that we'll be approving with this vote so. 00:10:33
With that, I'm going to open it up for discussion. I know there's a few council members at least have some comments they want to 00:10:38
make before we take a motion on the passing of the final budget. 00:10:41
Just a couple of items. Just to note, on page 6 there is a picture that may be considered deceptive because. 00:10:46
The mayor has much more Gray hair. 00:10:53
Now picture I can tell it's an old picture. 00:10:55
But moving on, Paige can't tell because my eyesight is so bad I can't see. 00:11:02
What my hair color is? 00:11:07
But. 00:11:10
Page 11, there's an important comment in the in the financial policies and it's. 00:11:12
Probably 1 of the keys to. 00:11:18
Some of the major accomplishments I think the last few years. 00:11:21
And so on page 11 in the second column under policies, third paragraph. 00:11:25
Maintaining appropriate funding for maintenance is of utmost importance. Deferring maintenance or asset replacement. 00:11:30
Has the potential to reduce the government's ability to provide services under a threatened public health, safety and overall 00:11:36
quality of life in addition. 00:11:39
As the physical condition of an asset declines, deferring maintenance and a replacement. 00:11:42
May increase long term costs and liabilities that was. 00:11:47
Essentially the theme of where the city was headed for a number of years. 00:11:51
We were, uh. 00:11:55
Not necessarily a weed because most of us have been on the. 00:11:56
Council forever and ever. 00:11:59
But we were. 00:12:00
We as a. 00:12:02
Council, for the last many years we were professionals at deferring maintenance and we were. 00:12:04
Tasked with and I believe it was the theme of. 00:12:09
Of Mayor Dally's second term was to change that. 00:12:13
And. 00:12:16
When I signed on to run for office my first term during Mayor Daley's second term. 00:12:17
It was primarily to assist in this very regard because we. 00:12:25
It was around that time when we didn't have any money leftover for roads and storm water. 00:12:29
It's always been. 00:12:34
Last available dollars. 00:12:36
And because police and fire and city administration always take required dollars upfront, it was always last available dollars. 00:12:38
That's for roads and stormwater and. 00:12:44
After 20 years of not adjusting property taxes. 00:12:47
There were no. 00:12:52
Additional available dollars so you probably remember our streets and stormwater systems were in pretty bad shape and so. 00:12:54
As a result of that deferred maintenance and deferred adjustments in property taxes, we had to do that. 00:13:01
Significant tax increase. 00:13:05
And now? 00:13:07
By maintaining this particular. 00:13:09
OK, I'm a nerdy accountant so this is like. 00:13:12
Scripture. This is Gina Chapter 7, verse 3. 00:13:15
About. 00:13:19
The perils of deferring maintenance too much. 00:13:20
And so I'm hoping going forward that we can maintain this new theme. 00:13:24
For generations to come, where we. 00:13:29
We don't. 00:13:32
We're not afraid to. 00:13:33
Maintain our city in the proper way and if that means adjusting property tax appropriately, will still be a lien Man City. 00:13:36
Well, mean, I mean that metaphorically in a matter of speech. Or very nice here. 00:13:44
But a lean city? 00:13:48
But then also has some pride. 00:13:51
And and to keep our city in good shape and so. 00:13:53
Let's try not to bond again for. 00:13:58
This type of purpose of maintaining. 00:14:01
Roads and stormwater that should be annual. 00:14:03
Annually funded if not. 00:14:06
Maybe not annually worked on, but certainly annually funded. 00:14:08
And reserving our. 00:14:12
Larger bonding opportunities for those major projects that are. 00:14:14
Multi generational impact such as? 00:14:21
The City Hall. 00:14:24
Refurbishment. 00:14:25
And seismic retrofit and. 00:14:27
The opportunity we have with Spring Lane Park and those sorts of projects, so. 00:14:30
And then lastly, my last comment has to do with. 00:14:34
Speaking of the City Hall project in the Spring Lane project. 00:14:36
Those items are not in this budget yet. It's premature for them to be in this budget. We have been talking about them. 00:14:41
And that those projects could indeed start in this coming fiscal year. 00:14:48
But those items are not in this budget, correct me if I'm wrong, primarily because they're just not down the road. 00:14:53
Far enough. 00:14:58
Where we've had enough public process, there haven't been votes. 00:14:59
It's still very much in the planning phase. 00:15:03
But full transparency, we do intend to move forward on those projects. 00:15:06
But you'll you'll purposely not see those in this budget yet because it's premature to have them in. 00:15:10
Thus far. So that said, that's all that's really good. 00:15:15
Otherwise, thanks for the budget document. It really is professional. It's great over the eight years I've been. 00:15:19
Looking at these budgets with the. 00:15:24
Addition of a great new budgeting software and certainly the addition of a very capable financial. 00:15:27
Captain now who understands city budgeting? 00:15:33
And who can take a lot of that load off of Gina and this? 00:15:36
This budget document really is super. 00:15:40
Appreciate all the work. 00:15:42
I just want to pay. 00:15:47
I just want to thank Gina and Christian and all the staff for putting this together, not only the budget document, but I think the 00:15:49
presentations that we had as we were considering. 00:15:53
The budget this year been really informative and helpful and. 00:15:57
Helped us get. 00:16:00
A view of what was going on in the city overall. And it was really. 00:16:02
Valuable time spent, so thanks very much for everybody's time. 00:16:06
Anybody else? 00:16:13
I echo everything I think. I think I said it all last week. You don't need to hear it again. 00:16:15
Thanks everybody. Mr. Mayor, I move approval of Ordinance 2025-11, adopting a final budget for fiscal year 2025 and 2026. 00:16:20
2nd. 00:16:27
OK, we've got to welcome Councilmember Durham. Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, Yes. Councilmember Quinn, Yes. Councilmember Gray, 00:16:29
Yes. And chair votes yes. 00:16:34
Your budget is approved. 00:16:38
And Mayor, if I may just take a minute to to thank certainly everyone on staff that contributed, but really Christian for doing a 00:16:41
remarkable job. 00:16:45
In his first year of producing this document and spearheading everything, so thank you. 00:16:50
Thank you everyone. 00:16:57
Green, thanks. 00:17:00
Wow, I do have to say. 00:17:03
Every time I do this stuff now, it's my last time. It's starting to get to me a little bit. It's my last. 00:17:06
Budget vote. 00:17:12
You got RDA coming up. 00:17:15
No. 00:17:17
Sorry Drew stole your Thunder on the big RDA boat. 00:17:19
So we're on item number 10. This is the suggested uniform fight and we went through this in the work session. It's just. 00:17:27
This is an after the fact insert into titles 1011. We needed to clarify what we're going to actually. 00:17:34
What those fines were actually going to be. 00:17:40
Any questions from Council before we take a motion on 2025-12? 00:17:42
Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve. 00:17:48
Where am I? 00:17:53
Ordinance 2025-12 establishing a suggested uniform fine schedule for certain offenses. 00:17:54
Set forth in titles 10 and 11 of the city code. 00:18:00
Second OK, we have a motion and a second. Councilmember Durham yes. Councilmember Fotheringham yes Councilmember Quinn yes 00:18:04
Councilmember Gray yes And chair votes yes the. 00:18:09
Find schedules approved. Now we're on to hazard mitigation plan which was in again in. 00:18:14
Last Council's packet. 00:18:19
Reviewed by Gina I believe and was pretty thorough, but it's just something we have to get. 00:18:23
Passed I think before July get to the county. 00:18:28
So the county can have that available and. 00:18:31
Were eligible for FEMA funding in the event that we needed. 00:18:34
Any questions before we take a motion on? 00:18:38
2025-11. 00:18:40
Just a resolution. 00:18:42
Mr. Mayor of approval of Resolution 2025-11, adopting the Salt Lake County Hazard Mitigation Plan for 2025. 00:18:46
Second OK Motion and a second. Councilmember Durham, Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham, yes. Councilmember Quinn, yes. Councilmember 00:18:54
Gray, Yes. 00:18:58
And chair votes yes, the hazard mitigation plan is approved. Thank you, Council. 00:19:02
Now we're on to the third amendment to the interlocal agreement with Salt Lake County Public Works. 00:19:07
Umm just popped up on the screen. It was in your packet. 00:19:13
Umm, any questions or Gina any? 00:19:18
Anything you want to clarify with Council before we take a motion on this? 00:19:20
No, not unless they're the council has questions. I think this overall, I believe is a slightly less than 3% increase. 00:19:24
In the cost of services that Salt Lake County provides, the largest of which is snow removal. 00:19:34
Engine this still works the same way as previous years where? 00:19:43
You kind of slide funds around based on how heavy the snow year is, so that if it's a light snow year, we can push it to paving. 00:19:46
We don't. 00:19:53
That sliding ability allows us to. 00:19:54
So it does form materials for personnel. Those costs are are were really we allocate costs for personnel. 00:19:58
And those remain whether it is a light snow year or a heavy snow year. 00:20:07
It does free up their time to do other things other than snow removal. If it's a lighter snow year, we can get started with other 00:20:13
maintenance work earlier in this season. 00:20:18
Where we can shift what they're doing for us, not where they shift their work to do something else for the county. 00:20:24
All right, Mr. Mayor, I move approval of resolution. Resolution 2025-12, adopting the 3rd Amendment's internal agreement is all 00:20:33
accounted for Public works. I think that needs to be 2025. 00:20:37
We've got 220-2512. 00:20:42
This is That was an ordinance. This is resolution. 00:20:46
Do we have a second? 00:20:52
Second, there's our second. Thank you very much. Councilmember Durham. Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham. Yes. Councilmember Quinn. 00:20:53
Yes. Councilmember Gray, Yes. And Chair Moat Yes. 00:21:00
Public works contractors Interlocal is approved. 00:21:04
And we are now onto the city manager report. 00:21:08
So I have some great news to share with Council which you've got a preview of in the pre meeting. 00:21:14
Our request. 00:21:20
For funding has now for this building which is $2,000,000. 00:21:23
Has been submitted by both. Senator Curtis. 00:21:29
And Representative Kennedy as part of this year's And that would be the fiscal 2526 federal budget. 00:21:33
Has been submitted by both Senator Kurnis and Representative Kennedy. 00:21:42
Assuming that the budget process works. 00:21:46
Normally, umm. 00:21:50
We should have better information mid-july. 00:21:53
As to the likelihood of that funding being included in the federal budget? 00:21:57
That's great. That's it for me. Fantastic. And so Gina, I know we talked about this early. We've been kind of waiting on this. 00:22:05
To see how it's going to go and then. 00:22:12
I think our plan is to revisit both City Hall and Spring Lane. 00:22:14
Once we get the lease finalized with granite and get. 00:22:19
Real clarity on this in a confidence level and then we're going to revisit how. 00:22:23
We want to proceed. 00:22:28
I think that's right, working from assuming that it would be this Council. 00:22:30
That would like to authorize potential bond funding for both this building and Spring Lane. We're working backward. 00:22:36
And so I think. 00:22:45
You can anticipate having a conversation, maybe not having everything nailed down, but having a good idea of where we're heading. 00:22:47
Probably at your first meeting in August and then? 00:22:56
You'll have some options and can provide some direction at that time. 00:23:01
OK. 00:23:07
Thank you. 00:23:08
Council reports will start with Emily and work our way down. 00:23:10
I don't have anything to report. I do want to just. 00:23:13
Think I know Delaney is going to be giving. 00:23:17
Her update. 00:23:19
Shortly I we had a meeting last night. I've been incredibly impressed with her work and John's been working with her a lot on. 00:23:20
The updates for the general plan, I'm excited. 00:23:28
For you guys to see what she has to share. 00:23:31
Drew. 00:23:35
In April, I believe we had a. 00:23:37
Visit from a team. 00:23:41
From UDOT. 00:23:43
Who did a? 00:23:44
An analysis of 45th South which we know. 00:23:46
A state road that runs through our city. 00:23:50
All the way from the off ramps of the freeway. 00:23:52
Down to 2030 E. 00:23:55
And a couple days ago. 00:23:57
We, Jared and I were emailed a copy of the analysis. 00:23:59
And I'm happy to report it was really interesting to read because they. 00:24:04
We're very, very thorough. 00:24:09
They looked at everything from bus stops to gutters to. 00:24:11
Lighting to. 00:24:15
The sidewalks and where? 00:24:17
Where vegetation was growing in the cracks of the site. I mean, I was really impressed anyway, so. 00:24:20
They had some. 00:24:25
Suggestions. And interestingly enough, we. 00:24:27
The whole reason for asking for this study was. 00:24:32
To try and get across what close to the park, up at the top of 45th at the top of that hill. 00:24:35
That was looked at, but. 00:24:41
Jared and I were both a little bit disappointed that it was. 00:24:44
Listed as a priority too, rather than a priority one. And so we both emailed back and they said well, OK, we can see. 00:24:47
That that would be a real good. 00:24:54
Addition, because there is really no place to cross the street from east of the freeway. 00:24:57
Down to below Wallace Lane so. 00:25:02
They're going to come back. 00:25:06
In July, mid-july and do another. 00:25:08
Site visit and study. 00:25:11
About putting a sidewalk or excuse me, a crosswalk up there so. 00:25:14
Keep our fingers crossed. Everything. I am impressed with you dot. 00:25:19
They have been very thorough, They have been. 00:25:23
Very responsive to SO. 00:25:26
I'm I'm hoping. 00:25:29
And I wanted to also, Speaking of the park, say thanks to Jared, who's not here. 00:25:31
I don't know if you've driven up that way. 00:25:36
There are some beautiful sidewalks now. 00:25:39
From the park on the on the. 00:25:41
Northside of 45th from the park down to. 00:25:44
2-2 blocks down, I think it's 3035 is the street so. 00:25:47
Lots going on there, so we appreciate everybody's help. 00:25:51
Only one item and just a reiteration of last week, we're seeing a lot of stormwater drain activity in our neighborhood and 00:25:57
everybody is loving it. So thanks to Jared and Joe. 00:26:02
And our public works team. 00:26:07
I don't really have anything tonight. 00:26:10
I would just. 00:26:13
I was going to mention both those because I have seen the 45th sidewalk and it's good to see all this investment because we made a 00:26:15
pretty major investment on 2700 E as well. 00:26:19
In those sidewalk, you know, and I was going to bring this up, look at it, bring it up, and I thought we're too late in the game. 00:26:24
About what? How much we've got in that bucket for next year, but. 00:26:30
When we get to mid year if we're going to, if there's any. 00:26:33
Money available, I wouldn't mind beefing up that curb gutter. 00:26:36
Sidewalk. 00:26:40
Budget item and keep that work going because it's visible out in the community right now and something we've never. 00:26:43
Really done that much of so it's great to see. 00:26:49
These things being repaired and new sidewalks going in where it's appropriate, it just looks great. 00:26:52
Umm, that's all. That's all I have. So I think all we need is a motion to. 00:26:57
Recess counsel and go into RDA. 00:27:03
Mr. Mayor, I move that we recess to the Council meeting and reconvene an RDA meeting. 00:27:07
2nd. 00:27:12
All in favor say aye aye. 00:27:13
We are recessed from Council and the gavel is now yours, Madam Chair. 00:27:16
Thank you. I am. 00:27:21
Filling in for Thai tonight. 00:27:23
So I will call to order the. 00:27:26
Board of Directors meeting of the City of Holiday Redevelopment Agency. 00:27:29
Last week we held a public hearing which is open and then closed, and so I believe we can go. 00:27:34
Directly to a vote. 00:27:41
On the resolution adopting the budget. 00:27:43
Madam Chair, I move approval of resolution. 00:27:46
RDA resolution 20/25/02. 00:27:48
Adopting the 202526 fiscal year budget. 00:27:52
2nd we have a motion and a second. 00:27:56
Councilmember Durham. 00:28:00
Yes, council member Farringham. Yes. 00:28:02
Mayor Dally? Yes. Councilmember Gray. 00:28:06
Yes and share votes yes. 00:28:09
And so the vote is unanimous is does anyone have any other business for the RDA? 00:28:11
There's some minutes that would need to be approved. Item number 3. 00:28:17
Oh, excuse me. Thank you. 00:28:21
Yes, we have. 00:28:23
Minutes. 00:28:25
Can I have a motion for approval of minutes, Madam Chair, Motion to approve minutes for June 13th, 2024, May 1st and June 5th, 00:28:26
2025. 00:28:30
2nd. 00:28:35
All in favor. 00:28:37
Hi. 00:28:38
Now any other business? 00:28:41
All right. Thank you. Madam Chair, I move that we recess RDA meeting and reconvene as City Council work session. 00:28:43
2nd. 00:28:51
All in favor, aye? 00:28:53
And we? 00:28:55
Hand the gal back. 00:28:56
Do we need to change recording, Stephanie, or do we just keep rolling? 00:29:00
We're just rolling, OK. 00:29:04
We are on item number 16. I believe if my. 00:29:06
If I got this right. 00:29:12
So the general plan update, I'm going to turn this one over to a Delaney, I believe. 00:29:14
How are you? 00:29:20
Good to hear. 00:29:22
Yeah. 00:29:29
I'll let you guys conduct this however you would like. 00:29:30
I. 00:29:43
There. 00:29:47
OK. 00:29:50
Well, well, Stephanie's working on that. 00:30:01
Thanks all so much for having a little bit of time to chat with us about. 00:30:04
The general plan. 00:30:09
Emily mentioned we've been making a lot of progress and we had a really fantastic update. 00:30:11
To our steering committee yesterday with lots of. 00:30:17
New exciting things that we've been working on and we just want to kind of loop everybody back in. I know it's been a little while 00:30:20
since we have. 00:30:24
Talked as a group. 00:30:29
So with. 00:30:31
That. 00:30:33
Oh, maybe. 00:30:35
Somebody is going to have to tap dance until we. 00:30:41
All right. 00:30:44
So today's agenda is that we will go through a very quick overview, just a reminder of what we talked about the last time we all 00:30:50
were together and then some quick progress updates on. 00:30:56
Where we're at and then our next steps. 00:31:02
So. 00:31:05
As a refresher. 00:31:06
This is an update. 00:31:08
To the general plan and that is something that we want to make sure. 00:31:09
Is kind of, you know, front and center. The holiday general plan is serving the community well, but there are places that it can 00:31:13
certainly be enhanced in. One of those big places is. 00:31:19
In readability and usability, but ultimately it needs to do with these several things. 00:31:25
Which is to provide overall guidance for the city. 00:31:31
It has to help guide development, infrastructure, etc. 00:31:35
And then it also has to be kind of the first step for any zone changes or updates that come down the line as well. 00:31:40
And. 00:31:51
You're going the wrong way. 00:31:57
You're just fine. 00:31:59
OK. 00:32:03
And all of us are familiar with the previous general plan. So again. 00:32:06
As an update, we really wanted to focus in on the vision of the general Plan as well. 00:32:12
So some of our kind of. 00:32:18
Check marks that you see there is that we've reached out to the community. 00:32:21
The steering committee, staff and other groups. 00:32:25
To figure out kind of if the vision holds true and if there are changes that needed to be made. So Jim's going to talk quite a bit 00:32:28
about that phase as well. 00:32:33
And some of the outreach that we've done thus far. 00:32:38
We are kind of right in the middle of the process, although it will be coming up very quickly at the adoption process. So we are 00:32:42
moving very fast. But at this point, we're kind of, like I said, right in the middle, just having finished our vision and moving 00:32:48
into the goals and policies stage where we're kind of trying to dig a little bit deeper, again, reaching out to the public to do 00:32:53
so. 00:32:59
So I will recap some of those earlier pieces, Stephanie, if we can just. 00:33:05
Through these ones. So Jim, do you want to take over? I'm trying to prolong this too much. 00:33:12
So I'm local color I think. 00:33:19
All of the public engagement we've done, really. 00:33:23
Has reinforced our idea. 00:33:25
That the. 00:33:28
The policies or the. 00:33:30
Priorities for residents, quality and businesses and holiday have not changed very much since the last plan. 00:33:33
So these are themes that emerged in Almost. 00:33:39
One of our conversations. 00:33:43
Housing. 00:33:44
Questions. There are a variety of things relating housing. 00:33:45
Transportation. 00:33:48
A lot to do with active transportation and connectivity. 00:33:50
Touch on that, the second Parks Recreation open space. 00:33:54
Canadian character responsible growth. 00:33:57
So this is what we were hearing. 00:34:00
Throughout the public engagement process. 00:34:01
So. 00:34:06
Delaney. 00:34:09
Did sort of. 00:34:11
Great magic show. 00:34:12
At our steering committee meeting. 00:34:15
And I had seen a preview of it the day before and was just kind of back on the heels, but. 00:34:17
One of the key components of this plan is going to be we will be delivering a plan in a PDF format. 00:34:21
That you can print out. People can look at and read. 00:34:27
But probably for me, the most exciting part of this plan. 00:34:30
Will be the portals that are embedded in each of the chapters that allow readers of the plan. 00:34:34
To go to interactive maps. 00:34:40
Of. 00:34:43
Various aspects of the plan Housing. 00:34:44
Recreation. 00:34:47
Areas. 00:34:48
All the things that are. 00:34:51
Addressed in the plan. 00:34:52
And they'll be able to through the portal. It's an interactive process. 00:34:53
So. 00:34:59
Anyone who lives or is interested in holiday? 00:35:00
And focus in on their neighborhood or their businesses or? 00:35:03
Local area. 00:35:06
And get detailed information about that area. 00:35:08
It's very exciting. You'll see this probably in our next presentation. 00:35:12
As well the first plan I worked on with. 00:35:17
My old partner Ralph Becker was all words, a couple of graphs and that was it. 00:35:20
So things have changed dramatically. 00:35:24
I'm going to read to you here only because the Steering committee spent a great deal of time. 00:35:27
Wordsmithing. 00:35:33
Division statements and I think. 00:35:34
They felt that we do too, that it's important to get it right. 00:35:37
To make sure that we're conveying the message that we want to convey. 00:35:41
And we're not. 00:35:45
Oops, unnecessarily complicated things so. 00:35:46
The overall vision. 00:35:50
That the steering committee has recommended. This is the working version. 00:35:52
Holiday has preserved its characters beautiful and unique community that has saved family friendly. 00:35:56
And highly desirable place to live. 00:36:02
Work and play. 00:36:04
As holiday changes and evolves. 00:36:06
The city considers the needs of future generations. 00:36:08
While maintaining what is valued today. 00:36:12
So that. 00:36:16
Was an attempt at. 00:36:17
Acknowledging change in the future. 00:36:18
But really, cling to what is most important to us. 00:36:21
So. 00:36:26
One of the key components is a distinct character in small town feel. 00:36:28
Here, the vision is holiday protects and enhances public green space. 00:36:32
Maintains its flourishing tree canopy. 00:36:37
And supports. 00:36:40
Inviting shared spaces in all neighborhoods. 00:36:41
So that's. 00:36:46
Neighborhood level. 00:36:49
Next one. 00:36:50
Quality neighborhoods. 00:36:54
Holidays neighborhoods support residents by ensuring access to their daily needs. 00:36:56
Connectivity component. 00:37:01
The city supports diverse housing that meets the needs of the individuals and families. 00:37:03
At every stage of life. 00:37:08
Lots of conversation about. 00:37:11
This and. 00:37:12
Opportunities for various kinds of. 00:37:14
Next one. 00:37:18
Walkable and connected community. 00:37:20
Holiday prioritizes bicycle, pedestrian and transit connections. 00:37:22
That unite regional destinations. 00:37:27
And the city's gathering spaces. 00:37:30
Businesses, neighborhoods, and recreation. 00:37:32
So connectivity. 00:37:34
Is something we heard about repeatedly. 00:37:36
Next one. 00:37:39
Strong local economy. 00:37:41
Notice the word local is in there. 00:37:44
Holiday supports existing local businesses and builds upon commercial areas. 00:37:46
By providing opportunity for new businesses and. 00:37:52
And second, here we'll discuss. 00:37:55
Opportunity areas. 00:37:57
For additional development in the city. 00:37:59
Quality and net. 00:38:03
Quality recreation. 00:38:04
Natural spaces, holiday nurtures. 00:38:06
Its public amenities. 00:38:08
And national spaces ensuring that its breathtaking views. 00:38:10
Access. 00:38:13
Quality recreation spaces. 00:38:14
Are maintained now and for future generations. 00:38:16
Next. 00:38:23
Responsible renewal landfill. 00:38:24
This acknowledges that there will be some change in holiday and some additional development. 00:38:26
Holiday grows thoughtfully. 00:38:31
Integrating new development cohesively. 00:38:34
Encouraging sustainable change. 00:38:37
And providing exceptional service and infrastructure. 00:38:39
Or. 00:38:43
Redevelopment. 00:38:44
And existing neighborhoods. 00:38:45
I think that's covered all our. 00:38:49
Here we go. 00:38:50
So. 00:38:52
Where we are as we've. 00:38:53
Done a great deal of visioning. 00:38:55
And outreach. 00:38:58
2 steering committee meetings. 00:39:00
A vision and values event, March 29th. 00:39:02
And April first, an online poster session. 00:39:04
And I think. 00:39:07
Delaney touched on the level of. 00:39:08
Participation in those events. 00:39:10
I think I'm about ready to hand this off to you, Arna. 00:39:12
There we go. 00:39:17
OK. 00:39:18
Thank you. And as part of. 00:39:20
That event that we had in late March, early April, we also started asking about getting deeper. 00:39:21
We wanted to make the most of that one event and that one space, so we provided opportunities for people to interact with. 00:39:28
Some maps. 00:39:36
And actually leave thoughts about where spaces. 00:39:37
Could kind of sustain additional change. 00:39:41
Or there are things that ultimately just really need to be protected. 00:39:44
And so it opened up a great conversation. 00:39:48
With all folks that came to the event. 00:39:51
Just an opportunity to kind of acknowledge the fact that it is not just growth that is the. 00:39:54
Thing to kind of worry about, it's all of those other layers to it that are of concern and these are things that we've then 00:40:01
incorporated into some of our draft policies and goals so. 00:40:06
The biggest things that we heard you can see in this list here. Overwhelmingly, there's still a very strong support for the tree 00:40:12
canopy. 00:40:16
And this no matter whether we are at the maps or at, you know, the vision principles and talking to people about what they thought 00:40:21
about those. 00:40:24
That was #1 is to maintain that tree canopy. That's a very important part of holidays character, which was also something that was 00:40:28
very important. 00:40:32
And along with that was concerns about growth as I mentioned, but. 00:40:37
The the event allowed for us to get a little bit deeper than that. 00:40:41
A lot of it comes down to the scale of new growth and how quickly it's happening in specific places. 00:40:45
And. 00:40:51
Honestly, the scale of the buildings themselves, that was something that came up a lot. Whether it's obstructing your, you know, 00:40:52
your view of the mountains or whether that's going to cause issues related to traffic and accessibility because there's, you know, 00:40:58
additional units going in right next to you. 00:41:03
And then one other concept that came up quite a bit as well was this idea of commercial creeps. So those corridors. 00:41:08
That have a lot of economic activity. There's some concern about those kind of flowing into the surrounding neighborhoods. 00:41:15
And so all of these things, I think are not necessarily very surprising to folks. I think it helps to get some of that nuance from 00:41:22
these types of events, certainly. 00:41:27
And some big priority areas that emerged were the Holiday crossroads and then Holiday Hills. 00:41:31
Those were areas that people really thought. 00:41:38
Could sustain some change. They had really specific ideas, especially about that holiday crossroads area, which was really 00:41:41
interesting and helpful to see. You know, really just actually putting it down on the map of, you know, this area might be really 00:41:46
well suited. 00:41:51
You know, be a small shop or a restaurant or something like that, or this area should not be an apartment building because then 00:41:56
people can see into the neighborhood's yards or what have you, so. 00:42:02
We got pretty deep. 00:42:09
And that laid the foundation for again thinking about this next step of the goals and policies. 00:42:10
So you can see here the little yellow box. This is still in progress. 00:42:18
But I want to highlight a couple of key changes and key things that we're working toward in these goals and policy statements, so. 00:42:23
Number one is that in the current plan, there are some different sort of ways that recommendations or goals and policy statements 00:42:31
show up depending on which chapter you find yourself in. 00:42:37
And so across the board, we are going to use a really standardized approach and just make sure that it's really easy when you go 00:42:43
to whatever plan chapter it is. 00:42:47
To find your goal and then to find your policies and your action steps that apply to it. 00:42:52
So this is an example that you can see here on the screen as well. 00:42:57
Again, it's going to be consistent across all of the plan elements and hopefully this will also help people have a better 00:43:01
understanding. You know, we've heard a little bit about how vision statements and principles feel. 00:43:07
Very high level. It's hard to actually relate to what it means on the ground and I think. 00:43:12
That is a really important dynamic that we want to reinforce. So having this structure where you have your goal and your policy 00:43:18
and your action helps people kind of understand what that action is inevitably going to do or hopefully achieve. 00:43:24
And as I mentioned, this stage is still open, so we are still working on this at this moment. 00:43:34
And this actually is our questionnaire, our goals and policies questionnaire, which is open and available to the public. 00:43:40
Linked on the on the city's website as well. 00:43:47
And we are just asking about those goals and policies. So we've actually drafted several of them again. 00:43:50
Borrowing very heavily from the previous plan. 00:43:57
With some tweaks based on the things that we heard at the community engagement workshops. 00:44:00
And with that, that will be open for the next month or so. So we're hoping to get more feedback and continue to edit and tweak 00:44:05
those statements as we hear from the community. 00:44:10
And we have also concurrently been working on the rest of the plan, not just the goals and policy statements. 00:44:17
So the key changes to the plan that I want to highlight really quickly. Again, this is an update. 00:44:24
But it is going to look a little bit more different. 00:44:30
And that is because. 00:44:33
We've made some tweaks with the idea of really trying to encourage. 00:44:35
Folks to read and use the plan and also to just ensure that it's generally very readable, accessible and that there's not, as you 00:44:40
know, there's not ambiguity in the types of things that we're suggesting. 00:44:46
So one of those big places is the future land use map. 00:44:52
So we have made some changes to those using some of the lines that were previously in the future land use map. 00:44:56
And we have consolidated some of those categories and applied a kind of. 00:45:02
A new idea, which is this idea of opportunity categories, and we'll talk about those different maps in just a minute. 00:45:08
And then, oh, OK. 00:45:15
This one is the future land use map. So as you can see, it's a little bit less complicated than the previous one, and that is 00:45:17
because we did go through and consolidate some of those areas. 00:45:22
So we also, in addition to the consolidation, took the small area plan recommendations and just put them all on the same map. 00:45:27
Again, with that idea of encouraging accessibility, we want to make sure that you can kind of go to one place. 00:45:35
And have a good understanding of what the future land use recommendations are. 00:45:40
All in the same spot and just kind of have that broad level of understanding. 00:45:46
And another thing, again with the goal of trying to enhance readability, is this idea of breaking out the future land use 00:45:53
categories into different spreads like you see here. 00:45:58
So we have heard so much about the character of Holiday, and that's something that's really important to this plan, is pulling 00:46:05
imagery from the city itself and putting it right in the plan so that when you hear a goal or policy. 00:46:12
Or you're looking at a future land use designation. You can immediately picture what it actually looks like on the ground. 00:46:19
So this spread is trying to get at. 00:46:25
A quality description and summary of why that category exists and what it's trying to do. 00:46:29
And then we also have the applicable zones, which that is again aligned very closely with what's in the existing plan. 00:46:34
And then right in there we also have the dwelling units per acre listed so that people have a really good easy understanding of. 00:46:41
What that looks like. 00:46:49
And then like I said, those images to really hopefully paint the picture really clearly for people. 00:46:51
And then that that new concept that I mentioned just a minute ago is this idea of the opportunity categories. 00:46:59
So rather than having the stable or protected kind of subcategory in our future land uses. 00:47:07
We pulled those out and you'll notice that. 00:47:15
There's an evolved category that orange that you see on the map. 00:47:19
And these are areas that were identified in the previous plan with the small area master plan. 00:47:23
Or areas that the community has kind of expressed. 00:47:29
You know, level of comfort in some change, whether that's. 00:47:34
A you know, a new. 00:47:37
Change to the zone, or, you know, some increased density. 00:47:40
To an extent. 00:47:44
And so this. 00:47:46
Overlay is going to go in the plan alongside of the future land use map again hopefully to just bury. 00:47:47
Easily show you where some of those different types of opportunities exist throughout the city. 00:47:54
And then one additional concept, we've talked a lot about this idea of protect and the previous plan assigned a kind of protect. 00:48:02
Subcategory to several future land uses. 00:48:11
And so we wanted to get at why it was important to protect those areas. And So what you see here is a constraints map that talks 00:48:15
about some key features that are important. 00:48:20
Firstly, to kind of alert folks to that, there are really significant constraints to development in these areas. 00:48:25
And we just really, again, wanted that to all be in the same place. So we kind of know. 00:48:33
Certain areas you know in the. 00:48:37
Cottonwood estates that have some constraints. 00:48:41
But to actually be able to see it and point to it on a map and say this has limited access or this is, you know, within a flood 00:48:45
way, that's really helpful, hopefully for city staff and for decision makers as well so that they can justify decisions about 00:48:50
development or changes in those areas. 00:48:56
And that was a very quick overview of some of the changes that we've been working on. 00:49:04
We have several more and we are updating the steering committee on some of those as well, but you will all hear about that at our 00:49:10
next. 00:49:14
Update SO. 00:49:20
I want to open it for any questions right now and then I can talk really quickly about the next steps. 00:49:22
Project. 00:49:27
Stephanie, could you? 00:49:30
Go back to slide or talked about the keep going back, back, back, back, keep going. 00:49:32
A little bit more. 00:49:39
OK, so this is I guess this is still just in the works. It was what? 00:49:42
There's nothing. 00:49:46
Too far down the pipeline, John, I wanted to mostly ask you. 00:49:47
About this particular. 00:49:51
Maybe this is? 00:49:53
Let's say, for instance, this one goes into the plan, John. 00:49:56
Has established compatibility checklist for developers to demonstrate how projects respond to neighborhood context. 00:50:00
Who is would you say that would be? 00:50:07
A common element in a general plan for municipality? Or does that feel more cutting edge? Bleeding edge? 00:50:10
Or is this part of the course? 00:50:17
Sort of thing. 00:50:19
This is something that would be a new aspect that would be necessarily something that's not in all general plans requiring an 00:50:20
applicant to. 00:50:24
Provide proof for evidence that whatever proposed legislative change, whether it's. 00:50:28
Text amendment or rezone? 00:50:33
Is proven to have some type of foundation of compatibility. 00:50:36
I think that's what this policy would be getting at. 00:50:41
Right, but but the conclusion being this feels a little more bleeding edge or common. 00:50:44
It's not common. 00:50:49
OK, not in a general plan. 00:50:50
OK, so so. 00:50:51
I know sometimes the and I it's not my intent to criticize the committee. I'm supposed to be on that committee and I. 00:50:53
Apologize, I wasn't there last night. 00:50:59
My marital contract requires me to coach every six concert that comes to town or I'm in trouble. So. 00:51:02
Where I was last night. 00:51:09
But I know. 00:51:12
How? How's things? 00:51:14
How's it going in terms of? 00:51:16
Getting what you need from the process. 00:51:18
Are we? 00:51:21
Going out here or are we? 00:51:23
Are we getting to where we need to be? 00:51:26
Yeah. How would you characterize it without? I really appreciate Delaney bringing up the fact that this is an update. 00:51:28
The plan that you have in front of you that has been used over the past ten years or so. 00:51:35
Is cumbersome and it's difficult to navigate. 00:51:42
And that was one of the primary elements that we wanted to address and having Logan Simpson and their broad base of expertise 00:51:45
through. 00:51:49
All their. 00:51:53
Elements of. 00:51:56
Transportation to land use to open spaces has been helpful to guide that and keep us on track. 00:51:57
So we're on track to have a. 00:52:03
Set of draft chapters and having something that is deliverable to the community very quickly. 00:52:05
And I've been sober. Overall been extremely impressed with the process so far. 00:52:12
Some of the elements that you're seeing. 00:52:17
As far as imagery is concerned. 00:52:20
Is so refreshing. At least awesome. Yeah, from a planner's point of view. 00:52:22
You're not seeing those types of things in new general plans right now. 00:52:27
They're very hard to understand, very wordy. 00:52:32
But if you're able to look at one select page like this for example. 00:52:35
This in our current general plan, you would have to flip back and forth. 00:52:40
5 or 6 different pages to understand what's going on. 00:52:44
In the low density residential land use district. 00:52:48
So presentation wise, the bleeding edges looking pretty good, maybe need to rein in some concepts, but presentation formats, yeah, 00:52:52
sure. 00:52:57
Yeah. 00:53:02
But overall, you're given it a thumbs up going forward. 00:53:03
Awesome. 00:53:06
You have great partners that you can reflected. 00:53:08
I'm super impressed that you have described holidays character. 00:53:17
Unique things that are unique about holiday without using the word charm. 00:53:22
That's been challenging for us. 00:53:28
I really. 00:53:34
I haven't been able to go to as many of the meetings as I would have liked, but when I have been able to be there, been very 00:53:36
impressed with how they have. 00:53:39
Run and Really. 00:53:42
A lot of times we talk about how this council doesn't like to dive into the weeds on a lot of things. 00:53:44
I assure you that this steering committee absolutely dives into the weeds on everything. 00:53:49
Why I read those statements to you? 00:53:55
I don't. Delaney didn't get into the maps tonight, but they are really. 00:54:00
She said that. 00:54:06
There's not anything comparable in any of the cities that she's aware of, and I think that it truly makes it. 00:54:08
User friendly and for somebody who is not familiar with land use or city planning, but you could very much see how it's helpful 00:54:16
to. 00:54:20
Developers and to residents in all of the different layers that you can compare as far as zone and income and all these things 00:54:24
that you can pull up for as small as like a plot it was, it was very impressive. 00:54:31
And I think. 00:54:40
I think that the way that you have worked through. 00:54:42
Kind of restructuring the plan. 00:54:46
Based on these principles I've been very impressed with. So thank you for all of that work. It's a lot. 00:54:49
So thank you. 00:54:54
And any other questions or comments, I know we were maybe a little bit jumbled there too and we can cover kind of the next steps 00:54:57
as well. Sorry, I do have one comment. If it's possible to get the QR code to the member of the Council, just that we can then 00:55:04
send out to the people that we know through informal channels. And then John let us know as well that those signs that have the QR 00:55:10
code. 00:55:17
He has some more available in his office. 00:55:24
For this next questionnaire. 00:55:27
So that we can continue to get community feedback. I think that would be helpful. 00:55:29
Yeah, absolutely. And I think. 00:55:34
That especially will be. 00:55:37
Incredibly helpful for these goals. Policy statements. To your point, you know, that seemed a little bit of a forward. 00:55:39
Kind of, you know, strategy. 00:55:47
And so that's something we want to make sure that the community feels comfortable with that as well as. 00:55:50
Decision makers, anyone that's on our steering committee, any staff that it feels like it is. 00:55:56
The right goal or policy to include in the plan. 00:56:02
All right. 00:56:07
If there are any other thoughts or comments, feel free to. 00:56:09
Let us know throughout the process and yes. 00:56:14
We really do want to get a little bit more engagement, so we'll talk about that in just a minute. We have one more event before 00:56:16
the adoption process begins. 00:56:22
And we really want to make sure that we. 00:56:27
Reach out to folks as much as possible. So we're hoping to lean on steering committee on you folks, on whoever to ensure that we 00:56:30
reach a few more folks and get a very broad coverage of people to attend the events. 00:56:38
Or online questionnaires or follow up. 00:56:46
So I already mentioned and we just talked about questionnaire #2 is still open and that draft plan event is tentatively scheduled 00:56:50
for August. It will likely be mid August to later August. 00:56:56
And by that point in time, we would like to have the draft plan actually together so that people can respond to it. 00:57:02
That will also include that platform, the online platform that we were just talking about as well, so that people can zoom in on 00:57:09
the maps and have a better understanding of the context of the plan. And I think that's something that we're really excited about. 00:57:16
With the online portal and as mentioned, I've never, we've never created one of those for any of our cities and it's something I 00:57:23
think. 00:57:28
That really enhances the plan and makes it a little bit more. 00:57:32
Fun for people to actually explore and have a better understanding of. 00:57:36
Of what the context of affordability is or what the context of, you know, our Parks and Recreation amenities and where they are 00:57:39
and how many acres there are or what have you. So. 00:57:44
That is something that we are really excited to roll out as well and make sure that it's available for the public at this event 00:57:50
and then we get. 00:57:54
The response to it too. 00:57:58
All right. And then adoption is going to be we are still kind of on track hoping for fall. 00:58:02
So thank you. 00:58:08
OK. Any other thoughts or questions? 00:58:12
OK. Thank you very much. We're excited to get this. 00:58:18
If this update approved. 00:58:23
Thanks you guys appreciate it. 00:58:30
Thank you. 00:58:31
OK Cottonwood Mall Urban renewal area, ADL. 00:58:35
Just got a cold shepherd down my back. 00:58:43
So this is the first in a series of presentations that came out. 00:58:49
The council's retreat in February. 00:58:56
At that time, you identified a number of topics that you wanted a little bit more information about, and so this is the first one. 00:59:00
We'll hear more about bike lanes. 00:59:08
And a number of other topics that you identified at your meetings in July and August. 00:59:12
You can see my notes. 00:59:26
I do like Nemo. 00:59:40
Just from the beginning. 00:59:54
I'll be quick, I promise. 01:00:06
So while she's getting that up, I'll just reference UMM. 01:00:16
The name of the project area which is in urban renewal project area that was part of the legislation at the time. 01:00:21
The Cottonwood model project area was approved. 01:00:31
I don't think that's an option under current law, but it was for a moment in time. 01:00:34
All right. I can start with tax increment and just some basic questions before we kind of delve into the specifics of the project 01:00:55
area. 01:01:00
Some basic background information that I wanted to share. 01:01:05
Tax increment financing is a tool that. 01:01:09
The Legislature has given municipalities permission to use. 01:01:14
To incentivize private development in areas within our jurisdiction. 01:01:19
And those are called project areas. 01:01:24
That urban renewal project area type no longer exists. I don't think the other type that we used. 01:01:27
For Millrock. 01:01:34
Economic development project areas exist anymore either what those project areas are now called our community reinvestment. 01:01:36
Project areas, that's the current law could change, but the concept is. 01:01:45
Is really pretty much the same. 01:01:50
Once a project area is created, the redevelopment agency that created the project area is entitled to receive a portion. 01:01:55
Or all of the tax increment dollars that are generated in that area for a specified period of time, and that's usually between 15 01:02:04
and 20 years. 01:02:09
And Gina, that's from all taxing jurisdictions, not just from officer and it can be. 01:02:15
The two that we currently have are all taxing jurisdictions. 01:02:21
There are our Mill Rock project area that was in place until 20/21. 01:02:27
Granite School District participated up to a certain dollar threshold. Once that threshold was reached, we actually the 01:02:35
redevelopment agency wrote the school district a check each year for the amount. 01:02:42
That they contributed, so that is subject to negotiation. 01:02:50
You can also choose. 01:02:55
For certain entities. 01:02:57
I'm looking to tie and he's not here at the mosquito abatement district, for example, you can exclude certain. 01:03:00
Other uh. 01:03:07
Groups from participating. 01:03:09
So the redevelopment agency can then use those tax increment dollars it collects in those project areas to incentivize development 01:03:15
within the project area. 01:03:19
And that typically increases property values and then in turn it increases the amount of revenues. 01:03:24
Generated in the project area. 01:03:31
At the expiration of that tax increment collection period. 01:03:34
The dollars that had previously followed the redevelopment agency then go back to the school district or the county or the city. 01:03:40
And this is exactly what happened with the project area that we closed a few years ago, Mill Rock. 01:03:50
That project area was generating about $1.1 million. 01:03:57
Every year. 01:04:01
For the Redevelopment Agency at the end of that time. 01:04:03
It returned to the city about 180,000 to the school district. 01:04:09
A little less than 700,000 and then it was distributed regularly to those other agencies that participated as well. 01:04:14
Redevelopment projects. 01:04:24
Are commonly used for things like land purchases. 01:04:28
Installing infrastructure financial. 01:04:32
Incentive agreements and more generally, there should be a public purpose associated with that, the development of that project 01:04:36
area. 01:04:41
Let's go to the second slide, facts about holiday tax increment financing. 01:04:50
Sure, I'm roll. 01:05:02
All right, So Holly currently has two active redevelopment project areas, covers about 100 acres. 01:05:11
Of our 3300 total acres, so not much of our property in Holiday is in project areas. 01:05:20
And like I mentioned, we have two. 01:05:31
The Holiday Village project area. 01:05:34
Is due to expire. 01:05:37
And now I can't tell you whether it's 26 or 27, but it is very soon. 01:05:40
And the Cottonwood Mall Urban. 01:05:45
Urban renewal project area, which has a longer life, and we'll talk more specifically about that in a minute. 01:05:49
Just to give you a sense of perspective though. 01:05:55
Salt Lake City, South Jordan, South Salt Lake, West Jordan and West Valley each have more than 10 redevelopment project areas 01:05:59
within their city. 01:06:03
It's a tool that. 01:06:08
Other cities have used much more frequently than we have in holiday. 01:06:10
And in general, project areas in Salt Lake County have received more than $1.5 billion in cumulative. 01:06:16
Tax increment from those project areas. 01:06:25
Over the last decade. 01:06:28
So this slide shows you where the boundaries for the Cottonwood Mall Urban Renewal project area are. 01:06:33
And I would just point out a couple of things. 01:06:40
You'll notice that it extends to the north. 01:06:44
On Murray Holiday Rd. 01:06:48
Umm, incorporating some of that area? Where is it? Are we still calling it Beethoven? 01:06:50
Yeah, like real taqueria and all of that, that area. 01:07:00
And then to the West where the liquor store property is and just a reminder, we're not collecting property tax there. 01:07:06
And then continues just a little to the. 01:07:14
South of. 01:07:20
Arbor where the roots. 01:07:22
Nursery used to be. 01:07:27
OK, next slide. So how was this project area created? 01:07:31
Just a couple of things to know here. Under Utah law, a City Council can create a redevelopment agency or RDA. 01:07:38
Which this Council did, I think, in the very. 01:07:46
First year that the city was established and RDA was also created. 01:07:49
That RDA, as you know from the process you just went through to approve the budget, is a separate legal entity. 01:07:54
However, you sit on that board just like you sit on the City Council. 01:08:02
At the time this project area was created. 01:08:08
State law required that the RDA receive approval from a taxing entity, committee, or tech. 01:08:12
And that included all members. 01:08:21
That we're assessing taxes at that time. 01:08:24
The law has subsequently changed, but that's the law that was in place at the time and so everything I'm about to share. 01:08:27
Reflects the process that we followed them. 01:08:34
So. 01:08:39
In order for the RDA to get approval from that tech committee. 01:08:41
To create this project area, we had to agree to a few things. 01:08:48
First of all, the tech had to approve both a plan. 01:08:54
For this project area how it was going to develop? 01:08:58
And then a budget for the project area as well. 01:09:02
The world looked very different in 2008 than it looks now. 01:09:07
So a. 01:09:12
What I would characterize is a very aggressive budget was approved. 01:09:14
By that tech committee in 2008. 01:09:21
The budget. 01:09:26
Also commits 75%. 01:09:28
Of property tax increment from all taxing entities that assess property tax. 01:09:31
At the site to the RDA. 01:09:38
And it set a base year which was also. 01:09:42
I think that was 2003. 01:09:45
You think it's 2007? 01:09:53
OK. There is a base year set. 01:09:55
For the value of the property. 01:09:59
And that value was $31 million. That part I do remember. 01:10:02
We are. 01:10:08
At this point. 01:10:09
Beginning to see values again that exceed that base level. 01:10:11
So as part of their approval, the tech had several conditions. 01:10:17
One was that the city commit 75% of our. 01:10:22
Point of sale sales tax to project area expenses. And so just like we set a base. 01:10:27
For property tax, we also set a base for sales tax. 01:10:34
And once we exceed that base level, we need to share point of sale sales tax. 01:10:39
When? 01:10:48
Property tax and sales tax. Together, those increments exceed $122,000,000. 01:10:49
No further contribution from any entity is required. 01:10:56
The tech also. 01:11:02
Had us commit and this is something we've talked a lot about. 01:11:05
How does commit 100 units of affordable housing at 80% of AMI? 01:11:09
As part of one of the terms of agreeing to create this project area. 01:11:16
There's a maximum contribution of property tax increment from all parties at $96 million. 01:11:22
And then the tech also committed to a 20 year. 01:11:29
Time frame. 01:11:33
And so originally. 01:11:35
Remembering back in 2008. 01:11:37
We thought that was going to start somewhere between 2011 and 2013. 01:11:42
And then there was that big recession. And so that didn't happen. The tech extended it. 01:11:48
To 2017. 01:11:54
But at that time said no more. It would be triggered in 2017 and that's what happened. 01:11:56
For those of you who are on the Council in 2021, you may recall that the Legislature. 01:12:03
Made a change that allowed us to extend the project area by two years. 01:12:09
Without approval of the tech, just as a. 01:12:15
As a way to address the impact of Covad. 01:12:20
And so that is what has happened. That means that now this project area has been extended through 2038. 01:12:24
2020 What 2038? 01:12:33
If something was triggered in 2017, wouldn't it have? 01:12:38
Expired in 2037. It expires in December of 2036. 01:12:42
And so our 20. 01:12:48
January 20. December 2038. Yeah. 01:12:50
OK, so that brings us to the agreement to develop land. 01:12:56
How is this agreement to develop land created? 01:13:05
All that same thing that we talked about before the City Council created the RDA. 01:13:09
The RDA created a project area and then remembering that condition with the tech that we have to share sales tax. 01:13:16
The RDA. The city. 01:13:26
And the developer and entered into an agreement to develop the land. 01:13:29
And that kind of sets the parameters for increment. 01:13:33
I want to highlight a couple of key provisions of that agreement. 01:13:39
Umm 20% of all property tax increment received by the RDA until it reaches. 01:13:44
$500,000. 01:13:53
Is retained by the RDA for affordable housing purposes. So that's kind of the first bucket. 01:13:55
Of money that can be spent. 01:14:02
Through. 01:14:05
2020 through this current year, we were just approaching. 01:14:07
$500,000 of increment from this site. 01:14:13
So we, we haven't moved beyond that this year you may recall from our budget conversations. 01:14:17
Increment from that project area added $330,000 I believe. 01:14:24
Yes. 01:14:30
To that bucket. 01:14:33
But to this point, all of that money, all of the increment that has come into the RDA, was dedicated to affordable housing. 01:14:35
The next bucket $150,000. 01:14:44
Our 2018 revision of the ADL. 01:14:48
Said it should be used for Highland Drive and it was written pretty broadly so it could be for. 01:14:52
Lobbying work to. 01:14:59
Move that forward. 01:15:02
As a priority and for direct work so that next 150 is for Highland Drive. 01:15:04
When you say Highland Drive. 01:15:11
Anywhere on Highland Drive. 01:15:14
So I don't believe that is specified. 01:15:17
I think the idea is presumably in front of the project. I imagine right? 01:15:20
Yeah, the remainder of the 20% that is dedicated for housing. 01:15:24
Is shared with the developer. 01:15:33
And then the developer is responsible for meeting 50 of the 100 affordable housing units. 01:15:37
That we committed to. 01:15:45
The tech. 01:15:47
To build. 01:15:48
100% of the available property tax increment and you'll remember that available is that 75%. 01:15:52
Gets paid to the developer once certain conditions are met, and we'll talk about those conditions in just a second. 01:16:00
2.5% of property tax received. 01:16:07
Is retained for administrative purposes. 01:16:11
And then 100% of available sales tax and that's the 75% of point of sale sales tax. 01:16:15
Is paid to the developer. 01:16:23
The other thing this. 01:16:26
ADL did originally was exempt the project from the requirement of undergrounding transit power transmission lines. 01:16:28
I believe the developer is planning now to underground a portion of those power lines. 01:16:37
I have a question on that last slide. 01:16:46
So the developer is responsible for 50 of the 100 affordable housing units. 01:16:47
Who's responsible but for the other 50? The city. 01:16:51
That we. 01:16:55
Like creating incentives for other developers in other places to build them, Is that OK? 01:16:57
And I think that's the idea. We've certainly been working through some options that could be construction. 01:17:01
Of new units the tech committee agreement set aside, you know, offered some. 01:17:09
Parameters for what that could look like, it could look like housing rehab and you'll recall that and mentioned we are likely to 01:17:16
receive some CDBG funds. We can count those units that we were able to rehab toward that 100 affordable housing units. 01:17:24
OK, there are some other key conditions, that is that are part of the ADL. 01:17:39
In order to qualify for payment of the increment, the developer has to meet a minimum investment amount in the site. 01:17:46
That was defined as 115 million. 01:17:54
They have to complete site improvements, infrastructure and investment improvements and then meet minimums for residential and 01:17:58
office and retail. 01:18:03
Umm, they have to show reasonable progress in the project area before they receive any increments. 01:18:09
And those were defined as 134 housing units. 01:18:16
100,000 square feet of office. 01:18:20
And 60,000 square feet of retail. 01:18:23
This is John and I were talking this afternoon. We haven't. 01:18:27
Looked at the project through this lens as of yet. 01:18:31
But we think the developer has likely met the 134 housing units. 01:18:35
The other two elements. 01:18:41
I don't believe have yet been met. 01:18:43
So I know the results, there's been no incremental flow yet to the developer. That's right. 01:18:48
And then maybe it's in a future slide and apologize, you can put me off. 01:18:52
But also isn't the way they receive increment is by? 01:18:57
Like submitting invoices for certain types of. 01:19:02
Public infrastructure costs. 01:19:06
For within the development, is it sort of a reimbursement for? 01:19:08
Public infrastructure costs. 01:19:12
I would have to look at the exact terms. I don't believe so because we are responsible for those. 01:19:15
Public infrastructure improvements, there's about two and a half, $1,000,000 worth of off site improvements. 01:19:22
Those include improvements on. 01:19:30
Highland Drive and on Marie Holiday Rd. 01:19:33
One of which we talked about a few months ago as part of the budget amendment, there's a traffic signal that needs to be improved. 01:19:37
And the developer because increment has not yet started flowing. 01:19:47
Did not, Could not. 01:19:53
Fund their obligation upfront. 01:19:57
And so the Council at that point chose to, basically. 01:19:59
Funded ourselves with reimbursement coming later from the developer. 01:20:04
Is that is that separate from the pay city up to 2.5 million for public improvements? 01:20:10
Bullet No, that's the same. It is the same. 01:20:17
So, yeah, so. 01:20:21
I guess I want to understand that because. 01:20:23
It's basically saying we're supposed to put all that in that's going to reimburse us, but. 01:20:25
It sounds like they're supposed to put it in. 01:20:30
No, we were meant to put it in and then they were meant to reimburse us. 01:20:32
One of the changes that we made in 2018 was that. 01:20:38
That wasn't dependent on the flow of increment. They were responsible for paying us up front regardless of whether increment had 01:20:42
was flowing or not. 01:20:47
The developer, as they explained to us. 01:20:53
Did not, were not in a position to do that and that's why the Council made that choice. 01:20:55
Todd, I don't know if you have anything to add. 01:21:00
We'll be looking at. 01:21:03
Likely some sort of adjustments and what that mechanism is. 01:21:06
Will be determined in the next few weeks. 01:21:12
But you'll be making an adjustment that reflects that. 01:21:15
Will withhold increments to pay ourselves back? OK so. 01:21:20
Just so yeah, I just want to make sure I got that right so. 01:21:24
That bullet point, basically. 01:21:28
Is. 01:21:31
Us taking on the responsibility of the. 01:21:33
Developer. 01:21:36
And we're going to take that increment. That's right. 01:21:38
Is where they should have done that. So yeah, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't really part. 01:21:41
That wasn't part of the ADL. That's been a change to it. 01:21:46
Based on the fact that. 01:21:50
They're basically saying they're not going to fund those improvements because increments not flowing. 01:21:52
Right. 01:21:58
OK. 01:22:01
And then the final point is that the original ADL going back to 2008. 01:22:03
Assessed police and fire impact fees. 01:22:10
But storm water fees and storm water impact fees and parks impact fees. 01:22:15
Were either reduced or credited as part of that original. 01:22:23
Agreement. Umm. 01:22:28
So that is a 40,000. 01:22:32
Square foot. 01:22:38
Look at the ADL. 01:22:40
There's a lot more detail and that's something if you have more specific questions, we can certainly talk offline or however you 01:22:43
would like. 01:22:47
But there are a couple of other terms that I. 01:22:52
Just are probably important for you to know about this project area. 01:22:55
And that you may hear about at your next meeting. 01:23:00
One is the RMU zone or Regional mixed-use zone. This is defined in title 13. 01:23:04
And it sets development standards for anything that is regional mixed-use. 01:23:12
And that allows for overall development that encompass encompasses a mix of uses. 01:23:19
Including residential and non residential uses within the same building. 01:23:25
That zone. 01:23:32
Also. 01:23:34
References the SDMP or the Site Development Master Plan. 01:23:36
And that serves much like that general plan that we just talked about. 01:23:41
It provides a lot more detail about the site specifically. 01:23:46
It's meant to be used as a guiding future growth. 01:23:52
And it is comprehensive but flexible. 01:23:56
This was. 01:24:01
Thinking back to 2018, this was the subject of. 01:24:02
A lot of discussion, both within our community. 01:24:06
And then? 01:24:09
Within our court system. 01:24:11
That's putting it mildly, and diplomatically. 01:24:14
The last two slides really just look at the timeline for the project area. 01:24:20
And looks at. 01:24:26
What was happening? Generally what the City Council did and that RDA board actions. 01:24:28
And the first slide kind of takes us through the early part of the 2000s. 01:24:35
Second slide about half that page is 2018. 01:24:42
What we were left with after the court ruling and the referendum in 2018. 01:24:48
Was an SDMP and an ADL that weren't perfectly matched. 01:24:55
During 2018 we had gone to a lot of effort to match up updates. 01:25:02
And so. 01:25:10
They were not perfectly aligned. We tried to fix a lot of that in 2020 and 2021. 01:25:13
We're still occasionally finding things that reflect. 01:25:21
The 2017 plan. 2018 Plan. 01:25:25
But the ADL refers. 01:25:30
Which the ADL refers to. 01:25:32
The STMP, though, is back to that 2008 plan. 01:25:35
So question, can I answer questions? Was this helpful or just more confusing? 01:25:41
You know I do have AI am curious like. 01:25:49
When you look at. 01:25:53
The project area I guess or the full and. 01:25:55
The full area. 01:26:00
Overlay for. 01:26:02
The RDA or the increment? 01:26:04
So. 01:26:06
What happens with the root site? 01:26:08
It is eligible for RDA funds, correct? 01:26:11
It would be, yes. 01:26:14
But uh. 01:26:15
They are not part of. 01:26:16
That would be separate from. 01:26:18
What is? 01:26:20
Allowed with the Holiday Hill site. 01:26:21
It would be because there's not, and it is not part of the agreement to develop land, one of the changes that we made in 2018. 01:26:25
Was to separate out the increment from the project area which included those other areas. 01:26:34
And. 01:26:41
Basically changed it so we were only sharing increment with holiday hills. 01:26:43
Or what has become Holiday Hills. 01:26:49
That. 01:26:51
Related to the project site rather than the project area. And that would leave the RDA board some flexibility if you wanted to 01:26:52
incentivize. 01:26:57
Development within the area but not on the site. 01:27:03
So those areas outside of the Holiday Hill site? 01:27:07
If they are redeveloped, that money will just. 01:27:12
Flow to the RDA. The increment will flow to the RDA. 01:27:15
And. 01:27:20
But there would be opportunity to work with those. 01:27:22
Developers, if we so chose, or they asked. 01:27:26
Because it does go out to 2030, almost 2039. 01:27:30
That's right. So there's still. 01:27:34
14 years of. 01:27:36
Potential increment to flow. 01:27:38
I'm just kind of saying that for the council, I guess. 01:27:42
There's those pieces that are not part of. 01:27:45
The Holiday Hill site that that. 01:27:47
Have. 01:27:49
Potential increment. 01:27:51
If there's value increased on those sites. 01:27:53
I don't see much opportunity over where the liquor store is and. 01:27:57
I assume that's the gas station and. 01:28:01
Jiffy Lube. 01:28:04
Yeah, yeah, I think that's right, although I'm not even sure Jiffy Lube is included. I think it might just be the gas station in 01:28:05
the liquor store. 01:28:09
It might, yeah. That little piece would be. I'll bet that's a little easement that goes back to the. 01:28:15
To the river and then the South pieces the. 01:28:21
Is the gas station. 01:28:24
Gotcha. OK. But yeah, across the street there where? 01:28:26
You know, there's a lot of little properties there. If somebody wanted to cobble something together or somebody wanted to do 01:28:30
something on the root site, there would be opportunity there. 01:28:34
But. 01:28:41
I mean, the bottom line is. 01:28:41
All this money. 01:28:43
Flows to the RDA. It's up to us to then. 01:28:46
Look at. 01:28:50
The ADL and decide. 01:28:52
Who gets what? 01:28:54
Yeah. I mean, I think at this point because we have not met the minimums, the RDA is we're, we're just retaining those funds. 01:28:56
They there will be money that will be distributed once those conditions are met. 01:29:08
And then? 01:29:14
Ideally. 01:29:16
That the other 25%, so 75 goes 75% goes to the RDA. The other 25 would just be returned to us, likely in the form of new growth. I 01:29:18
don't think we'd see it separated. 01:29:25
But it's just part of overall growth. 01:29:33
But there will be money. 01:29:39
From the project. 01:29:42
Project area that is not. 01:29:44
Specific to the project site that would be available for other purposes. 01:29:47
Gina, when do you think that the other conditions? 01:29:53
Would be met. 01:29:56
I'm going to let John answer that question. 01:29:59
Question. 01:30:04
For housing. 01:30:05
Definitely meeting those parameters you have. 01:30:07
Of 250 homes that have been built. 01:30:10
50 that are under construction and. 01:30:13
100 and 5:00-ish that are entitled. 01:30:16
The 100,000 square foot of office. 01:30:20
With even with the kiln site there may be. 01:30:23
25% of the way there. 01:30:26
And nowhere near on square footage of range. 01:30:29
OK, probably. 01:30:32
Maybe breaking 20,000? 01:30:34
Several years yet then it sounds like. 01:30:37
Because even what's framed up on the opposite side, they've got to even. 01:30:40
Start new frame up on. 01:30:44
More office. 01:30:46
There's announcements coming that they believe that could. 01:30:48
Bite off a big chunk of that in the next two years. 01:30:52
Good. 01:30:55
But if I could just kind of the one thing that I always have to when I occasionally have a. 01:30:56
Meeting with a citizen who. 01:31:03
Doesn't understand tax increment financing always. 01:31:07
Start with the conclusion that the city is putting their property tax money. 01:31:11
In the pockets of developers. 01:31:16
Never the case. 01:31:18
But rather increment. 01:31:20
His ascent is basically defined as the increased property taxes that are assessed. 01:31:23
On the developers property they're developing. 01:31:29
They're increasing its value through development and thus they have to pay more property tax. It's that. 01:31:32
Increment of property tax. 01:31:37
Then they get a rebate on essentially of their own property taxes that they're paying on their own property. 01:31:40
So the city's property taxes it collects from the general population into our general fund. 01:31:45
Those funds are sacred. They never just go get distributed out to developers. 01:31:49
Tax increment is the incremental property taxes assessed. 01:31:54
To that property owner. 01:31:59
That is assessed in addition as a result of them having increased the value of that property. 01:32:01
And that's it. 01:32:06
That was a fantastic explanation. What you just summarized is sometimes called a BUP for analysis, but for the improvements there 01:32:07
would be no property tax increment available. 01:32:14
Yeah, and the piece below the base. 01:32:22
Is just distributed as normal. 01:32:25
So you're. 01:32:28
The tax on 30 million. Tax on 30 million. 01:32:29
So the. 01:32:37
The requirements. 01:32:40
That John is talking about. 01:32:42
Where are those requirements contained? Are they contained within the SDMP or within the ADL? Within the ADL? 01:32:44
So our ability to change what those requirements are as an administrative action of the RDA board, correct? 01:32:52
Yes. 01:33:03
OK, so. 01:33:04
I'm just going to talk out loud here. 01:33:08
Because well, well, because I don't think I'm saying anything inappropriate, but. 01:33:10
Part of the. 01:33:16
Be careful here. 01:33:19
I'm just saying the ADL was generated in 2008. 01:33:22
Correct. 01:33:28
Amended in 2008. 01:33:31
21. 01:33:35
And. 01:33:38
Yeah, so the. 01:33:43
I'm just saying the world's changed. 01:33:44
When you talk about all this office space, the office world has changed. 01:33:47
And I'm just saying if. 01:33:51
It's OK, I think, to look at that stuff if there's. 01:33:55
If things make sense, it's OK to look at it and make adjustments if adjustments need to be. That's all I'm saying. 01:34:00
Yeah, the SDMP was land use and ADL was tax increment. 01:34:06
Yeah. I mean, basically what the court said was when we changed, when we made changes to the SDMP that. 01:34:13
That that was a zoning issue, I guess and and so they held in favor of the residents at that point, but I think they also said 01:34:20
that. 01:34:24
That are. 01:34:28
Our actions as it related to the ADL is it administrative acts of the RDA board, which is completely within our purview. 01:34:29
So. 01:34:37
I'm just saying. 01:34:39
So the only caveat that I would add to what you just said, Mayor, is that anything that would affect the key provisions. 01:34:42
Of the tech resolution contained on this slide. 01:34:51
We would probably, I think it would still be an administrative action, but we would we would need. 01:34:55
Would need to talk about how to reconvene that group. 01:35:03
Need to find the tech committee? 01:35:07
That involved school district and mosquito abatement board and the library fund. 01:35:10
We've already talked, yeah. 01:35:14
They would have to reconvene a tech committee because the tech committee that. 01:35:17
Voted on. This doesn't exist anymore, essentially. 01:35:21
Those individuals don't so. 01:35:23
The district and the county would have to. 01:35:25
Appoint representatives of the tech and anyway, we also talked about. 01:35:28
They would have to initiate such a thing, right? 01:35:35
Well, I think that, yeah, we would talk about that as it related to. 01:35:38
You know if. 01:35:42
There was an extension to the. 01:35:43
Umm, the time period. 01:35:46
I mean, that's not something the city is going to. 01:35:50
Weigh in on if they want to do it. I guess they could, but it would be up to them, not us. 01:35:52
Carry their own water in that, yeah. 01:35:57
But anyway. 01:35:59
Gina. 01:36:02
The 100 units of affordable housing. 01:36:04
So the city is responsible for 50 in one way or another. 01:36:09
I have a vague recollection that the state has come in and said that there's a time. 01:36:13
Deadline on that, can you refresh my memory? There are and I apologize, but I cannot remember. We have a really nice little. 01:36:18
Chart that explains the different. 01:36:29
Timing restrictions for each. 01:36:32
There are time limits based on. Say we have $2,000,000 worth of. 01:36:36
Housing increment from Mill Rock that has 1 clock. 01:36:43
There are other clocks. 01:36:48
What I'd love to do is send that chart out to the Council rather than with speak. 01:36:51
That would be great, I just don't remember the time. 01:36:56
I assume and Francis. 01:36:59
Person is all over that stuff. 01:37:02
She is very aware of it. We have been working, working diligently on finding a path forward. 01:37:04
Yeah, my head is spinning, so hopefully hers is not. 01:37:12
Have we met any of that requirement? 01:37:17
I believe one unit. 01:37:21
OK, better than that. 01:37:23
99 to go. 01:37:28
All right. 01:37:32
Thank you. 01:37:33
We just want to touch base on times for council real quick. I know we've got a conflict already. I think we were good with August. 01:37:38
We finalized that correct the 7th, 21st we're. 01:37:43
Our best bets? 01:37:49
But the dates in September, the 4th and 18th, the 4th is going to be challenging. 01:37:51
I am not going to be in town. And Drews got another commitment. 01:37:55
Umm, so we're thinking about trying to move to the 12th and the 18th. Hold on, let's just go back. So August is the 7th and then 01:38:00
the 21st, OK. And then what are you proposing for September? 01:38:06
11th and 18th. Oh, I'm sorry. 11th and 18th, yeah. 01:38:13
I will not be here on the 11th either. I'm out of the country so I'll be back for the 18th meeting. 01:38:18
But as long as we can get 5 here, I would say go with the 11th. 01:38:24
Works for me. That works for me. We'll see how big the agenda is. 01:38:29
OK. 01:38:33
Fall break is. 01:38:42
Oh, like the 16th? 01:38:45
Through the 20th. 01:38:47
October would be the second. 01:38:53
And then probably the 23rd. 01:38:58
Because permeate. 01:39:04
OK. You said the 2nd and the 23rd. 01:39:16
I will be gone. 01:39:22
High quality balance. 01:39:24
Through October 2nd and 20. 01:39:28
2nd and 23rd. 01:39:33
OK. 01:39:46
Any. 01:39:52
I think we've got, I know we got movie night Saturday and that's about all we've got coming up I. 01:39:55
I mean, I will just say very briefly before. 01:40:00
I can see poised. 01:40:02
Ready to pounce on the adjourn motion? 01:40:06
No, I did. I did. 01:40:09
I was here Monday night for a function and. 01:40:12
Just popped down the hall. 01:40:15
And they were. 01:40:17
Rehearsing down there and they had. 01:40:19
The little Cottonwood room was full of kids. Well, not kids. A lot of adults too. 01:40:21
Umm. And yeah, they're working really, really hard on this play. 01:40:27
And so. 01:40:31
And you know, I reached out to Megan. I'm like, are we going to send? She had already. 01:40:34
I think, Lena, I don't know how much you're working with Megan on that, Lena, but it sounds like the wheels are in motion on a 01:40:38
marketing package and. 01:40:42
To get the word out and get some tickets sold so that that'll be great. But. 01:40:45
It was. 01:40:49
We were like Joanie and I walked in and they did a big number for us and it was pretty amazing. 01:40:50
So I'm excited about that. It'll be great. 01:40:55
How did it go last Saturday? 01:40:58
For the movie. 01:40:59
Went really well. 01:41:01
Great. That's great. They've got. 01:41:04
Sandlock. 01:41:07
Just this week, so. 01:41:08
No closed session. 01:41:11
No closed session. 01:41:13
Mr. Mayor. 01:41:14
I move to adjourn. 01:41:16
Second, all in favor? 01:41:19
Aye, we're adjourned. Thanks everybody. 01:41:23
Gosh, I won't see you until the 17th. 01:41:26