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So the. | 00:00:01 | |
Any questions of the? | 00:00:04 | |
I don't. I mean, I'm happy to. | 00:00:11 | |
As long as we have that other issue cleared up, I'm fine with it. I just don't want to do any more of these things. Or we assume | 00:00:15 | |
somebody is going to do something and raise zone and then have the title, which is not the case here, but he's happy to talk to us | 00:00:19 | |
about. | 00:00:23 | |
Opportunities for moderate income housing options after the fact, which I think would be great, but. | 00:00:28 | |
For me, when I look at this in terms of the room and. | 00:00:34 | |
Ord. And where that parcel is. | 00:00:39 | |
Which is located kind of within an existing Ord zone and the fact that we text amended the zone to allow for multi family which I | 00:00:43 | |
think would probably be a good opportunity on this site because. | 00:00:49 | |
It is going to be touch the build. I just don't have any. I read the staff report to me it's. | 00:00:56 | |
I don't have any issues with it. I don't either. I visited the site, I'm familiar with the site. I biked past the site a number of | 00:01:05 | |
times. I drove up there the other day. | 00:01:09 | |
Given the slope on the east and the north, and even a fair amount of slope, you know, between those residences and that property, | 00:01:14 | |
it's fairly protected. | 00:01:20 | |
Not only by this slope, but also huge tree sands which I imagine are going to keep the tree stand. | 00:01:27 | |
I don't see that it really encroached. | 00:01:34 | |
Really at all on those residences significantly. | 00:01:38 | |
Yeah, and the only difference between. | 00:01:43 | |
This parcel being Ord and the rest of that whole Ord area is this one happens to dump out on Big Cut with Canyon Road and all the | 00:01:49 | |
other ones dumped out on Lyon Road or the other private road. That's really the only difference. | 00:01:56 | |
But the fact that it's so protected with slopes. | 00:02:04 | |
And I drove up the old Mill Circle Rd. | 00:02:09 | |
And tried to take it from the look at them from the perspective of those homes. | 00:02:13 | |
Because I want to treat those neighbors as if they were also holiday residents in terms of this issue. I don't want to take that | 00:02:18 | |
attitude, but so the gravel pit. | 00:02:23 | |
But I didn't feel like. | 00:02:32 | |
There was really much. | 00:02:36 | |
Going on there that there's a whole lot to complain about. | 00:02:40 | |
I just didn't feel like there's much to complain. Well, you know the other thing there is, at least in my mind. | 00:02:43 | |
Because of both sloping. One of those sloping issues. | 00:02:50 | |
I'm not sure you're ever going to get anything on that site with an RM zone because. | 00:02:55 | |
I don't think you'd be able to get enough density on there to make sense of it. Where? | 00:03:00 | |
And I don't think they'll be able to go to 75 feet anyway because of the setback. They're going to have the residential and then | 00:03:04 | |
they're, you know, the graduated height, but they can get enough massing on there. | 00:03:10 | |
If they can park it to make it economical and maybe they can do, maybe we would have an opportunity to do some affordability. | 00:03:17 | |
Coordination with them with some of our RDA funds. | 00:03:26 | |
I just don't want the rezone to be predicated on the fact that that's going to happen, right? | 00:03:30 | |
Primarily, I think that. | 00:03:37 | |
Biggest issue, we don't know how much we commit and. | 00:03:39 | |
If we do. | 00:03:42 | |
Yeah. Is this locked outside of the RDA? | 00:03:44 | |
Project area, yeah. | 00:03:48 | |
I think that was expired. Anyway, that one has expired. | 00:03:52 | |
I'm surprised I was told that about Chicago Hearts. | 00:04:02 | |
Maybe they decided it wasn't how big the NFL starts tonight. | 00:04:08 | |
Well, I don't know. I've done the same thing that Paul has driven over there. I looked around and I would agree with your | 00:04:14 | |
assessment. | 00:04:17 | |
100% that. | 00:04:22 | |
I do not predicate our decision based on this, but I would be interested. You mentioned earlier there are some. | 00:04:24 | |
Levers or incentives that we can do to help encourage some of these workforce housing options or combination, What are those? | 00:04:33 | |
Yeah. What are those tools that we do have? | 00:04:44 | |
Well, primarily their financial tools that are. | 00:04:48 | |
Somebody that come from various spots of funding from. | 00:04:51 | |
Specifically for. | 00:04:57 | |
So. | 00:05:02 | |
Would or would not offer anything. | 00:05:06 | |
We're looking for partners to qualify to partner with that they were interested in. | 00:05:09 | |
All right, just like I said that the leak that's affordable housing for two days straight, so. | 00:05:16 | |
Want to know what's available? One thing I thought there might be an opportunity. | 00:05:22 | |
If the traffic. | 00:05:27 | |
I can't imagine how many units in here would actually create much. | 00:05:29 | |
And additional traffic demand, but. | 00:05:33 | |
It's kind of a little. | 00:05:36 | |
Blind corner coming around here. That's primarily because of this overgrowth right here, which would probably go away. | 00:05:37 | |
But then right here is where you've got, it's one lane each way here, but it goes to two lanes right there. There might be an | 00:05:43 | |
opportunity. | 00:05:48 | |
To start that two lane. | 00:05:53 | |
Either here or even here at the border. | 00:05:55 | |
Something to consider, because right here you've got an orphan sidewalk segment that goes nowhere. | 00:05:59 | |
You got full sidewalk on this side. I mean, it ends right here and picks up again over here. But this is there's no sidewalk here. | 00:06:04 | |
They've got 1 here. | 00:06:09 | |
Well, it's kind of political on this side. Either you got on this side, you got this side. So this is kind of orphan and there is | 00:06:14 | |
some flat land right there. So there could be room to expand. We have a 2 lane piece that starts here and take it back to here or | 00:06:23 | |
here and then ameliorate some of this traffic coming here, the blind corner here, opportunity for some improvement. | 00:06:31 | |
Right there. | 00:06:40 | |
Yeah, if we get to the site time review, we can definitely keep that in mind as we look at off site. | 00:06:43 | |
But. | 00:06:52 | |
The developer will be putting in there. | 00:06:54 | |
So there wouldn't be anything. | 00:06:57 | |
At least that. | 00:07:01 | |
Select. | 00:07:04 | |
Is all that. | 00:07:07 | |
Hefty grammar. Just part of the Christian Church. | 00:07:09 | |
Yeah, they went all the way down. | 00:07:12 | |
That's all extremely slow. | 00:07:15 | |
Any idea how much higher that first house is on old mill circle elevation length? | 00:07:18 | |
Here, Yeah. | 00:07:23 | |
6070 feet. | 00:07:25 | |
Accentuated fairly frankly of any. | 00:07:29 | |
Of the two-story, you know. | 00:07:31 | |
Concerns and stuff like that. | 00:07:33 | |
That is going to be set back quite a ways from that hole too, if they get up to yeah, and you got a big tree stand there and it | 00:07:37 | |
also just has a natural slope there. | 00:07:41 | |
They have is the possibility of short term rentals. | 00:07:52 | |
And that was their concern with all of these. | 00:08:01 | |
But there's lots of hotel. | 00:08:06 | |
I know. | 00:08:08 | |
Yeah, it's really what it's your next door neighbor, right? So I'm, you know, I'm just. | 00:08:12 | |
OK, I. | 00:08:24 | |
Well, we'll post it for the 19th. | 00:08:27 | |
Thanks. | 00:08:31 | |
Gary Carrier wrote the staff. | 00:08:34 | |
OK. | 00:08:48 | |
This is just a. | 00:08:50 | |
Update on where we are at with our projects we are spending on our stormwater. | 00:08:52 | |
Bond. | 00:09:03 | |
We've got about a dozen different projects going on in the city and I wanted to. | 00:09:04 | |
Just report on each one individually, let you know the status of them. | 00:09:10 | |
As well as the budget, how much that budget has been spent and. | 00:09:16 | |
So forth. So I've provided a map here of the each project location and I've also provided a. | 00:09:20 | |
Spreadsheet cable listing each project and the status of the budget each project so. | 00:09:27 | |
I will first, I guess, start at the top of the map and work right down, and then I'll just kind of move into that table. | 00:09:36 | |
We have a project here on El Dorado Mass District is under construction right now and. | 00:09:44 | |
You're welcome. | 00:09:52 | |
Umm, it should be done in another couple of weeks. It was flooding out a couple of houses that were. | 00:09:54 | |
On Westwood there. | 00:10:04 | |
That's the right street, right? Northwood. Northwood. | 00:10:08 | |
So by constructing this project, we should be able to protect those houses. | 00:10:11 | |
Our next project, also Mass District is this house that we demoed last bought in demo last year on Holiday Blvd. Just a real quick | 00:10:19 | |
update on that. We are trying to work with the adjacent property owners we are expecting to receive a offer from. | 00:10:30 | |
An adjacent property owner for the purchase of that vacant parcel. Now that's something we will I'm sure, be updating the council | 00:10:42 | |
on. | 00:10:46 | |
Possibly in October or something. Presumably that person won't be able to build there, so they have to rebuy another answer. | 00:10:52 | |
They don't wanna build on it. We would be putting a cabinet over the majority of the site. We would probably be. | 00:11:01 | |
The upper portion of that property available for building well. | 00:11:09 | |
There have to be set back issues, but we probably would put that no build on the. | 00:11:15 | |
Elevated portion of the site. | 00:11:21 | |
We are also working through a couple of the logistics with the. | 00:11:24 | |
Money that was used to purchase it, which is ARPA funds if we sell. | 00:11:29 | |
That project, I think we had to reinvest that ARPA money back into. | 00:11:36 | |
I'm not 100% certain, but that's something that we're looking into. | 00:11:41 | |
That doesn't need to be made into micro retention pond or anything. | 00:11:49 | |
We do not have any plans on making it a retention fund. | 00:11:53 | |
What I'm getting at is if we sell it. | 00:11:57 | |
Can we protect ourselves from future liability at anytime? | 00:12:00 | |
We were working with. | 00:12:04 | |
Else Todd Gaffery on what language would be included in that sale and what gets recorded. It becomes a swimming pool. It's on | 00:12:07 | |
them, yes. | 00:12:11 | |
Next also Matt district we had a hobbies. | 00:12:20 | |
Area that was frequent over on Wellington we. | 00:12:25 | |
Stop. You guys can figure out. | 00:12:34 | |
Is that your fault? | 00:12:39 | |
We had a ponding spot there that we fixed. A what? Bonding like drainage there just didn't work. There was something that was | 00:12:47 | |
pretty healthy and we spent a bunch of money making it right. | 00:12:53 | |
Umm, we also did some. | 00:13:01 | |
Overt rehabilitation on the canal here across the Murray Holiday Rd. That's 100% down. This is Wellington storm drains 100% done. | 00:13:06 | |
We are in the works. This is not under our storm drain. | 00:13:18 | |
On, but I thought I would throw it in here. It's under our roadway. Bond is a bridge deck replacement. | 00:13:22 | |
On Highland Circle, actually this Murray holiday over rehabilitation is also part of our bridge fund under the roadway but. | 00:13:30 | |
So I'm just tossing those in there is. | 00:13:41 | |
Site projects that you might be interested in. | 00:13:43 | |
Our Metamorphose 1 project is under construction. | 00:13:48 | |
It's a. | 00:13:54 | |
It's one of our biggest projects that we're doing in the city and. | 00:13:58 | |
We are really happy with the contractor that's been working out there. It was a slow start. They had a lot of conflicts to deal | 00:14:03 | |
with. But once they got those underground utilities out of the way, they've been making pretty steady progress and we are | 00:14:09 | |
expecting that that project would be complete at the end of the month. | 00:14:16 | |
At the end of this month. | 00:14:24 | |
Yeah, the first party over there. | 00:14:25 | |
There'll probably be some touch ups that would go on in October, but for the most part it will be done by the end of this month. | 00:14:29 | |
That's Phase 1 of what we're calling metamor. Phase 2 is through Salt Lake City property. We're calling that Metamorphase 2. | 00:14:38 | |
And this is all part of the storm drain system, same storm drain system like all this here connects up to that there. | 00:14:50 | |
So this is the second portion where we're having big problems. In fact, I've provided a photo of this storm drain on page 2 if you | 00:14:59 | |
want to scan. | 00:15:04 | |
Our city. | 00:15:10 | |
It is outside the city. | 00:15:10 | |
And nobody wants. | 00:15:13 | |
It's something that has been in our. | 00:15:17 | |
Capital plan Stormwater master planning for years. | 00:15:20 | |
It's. | 00:15:26 | |
In Mill Creek. But they don't want anything to do with it. It backs up and it floods our residents. | 00:15:30 | |
And it's our water that is dragging into this area. No one drop of milk creeks water actually gets into it. | 00:15:36 | |
It's a 48 inch pipe. | 00:15:45 | |
So. | 00:15:50 | |
This is all root mass here and root mass here. | 00:15:51 | |
And it's. | 00:15:56 | |
Grown into this storm drain pipe and blocking I think over 90% of it. | 00:15:58 | |
So we. | 00:16:05 | |
This pipe was constructed with. | 00:16:10 | |
It's an interesting. | 00:16:13 | |
Techniques as well. There's no way to rehabilitate this system. Like, no way. | 00:16:15 | |
The only option is replace this pipe, so that's what we're going to do. | 00:16:21 | |
For those of you that have been on the Council for a long time. | 00:16:27 | |
Yeah. | 00:16:33 | |
So. | 00:16:42 | |
So it means replacement is the only thing you can really do. | 00:16:44 | |
Yeah, you know, when I started looking at this 5-6 years ago, I thought, oh, we could get in there and get these roots out and | 00:16:47 | |
make this thing functional again. | 00:16:52 | |
I get that idea a long time ago after I looked into it a lot closer, but this is across 13 piece then to the north of Saint | 00:16:59 | |
Vincents. Sorry. | 00:17:04 | |
So Salt Lake City owns a piece of property there that they use as a yard and but mostly for pumping groundwater. So it's very high | 00:17:12 | |
groundwater cable there. It's an aquifer with artesian wells on it. | 00:17:20 | |
And as far as north-south of Saint Vincent, I think the West. | 00:17:28 | |
Yeah, Westville, so north. | 00:17:35 | |
I mean this piece of the West of. | 00:17:39 | |
That side of our prop is this sort of outside of our property line. Yeah, yeah. So West of 13, just South of Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:17:42 | |
Right. So N the same base, yeah. | 00:17:51 | |
Between there. | 00:17:54 | |
So if you want to go back to a map. So would it be fair to say then that? | 00:17:56 | |
The big piece of pace flow we're doing, we'll jump into that storm grade it is. So if we don't, if we don't correct that, Mill | 00:18:04 | |
Creek won't correct it. It's going to keep backing up. Yeah, even if we put in new infrastructure. So even this spring, we've had | 00:18:10 | |
three flooded basements. | 00:18:16 | |
On. | 00:18:23 | |
Rebecca Circle. | 00:18:26 | |
Convinced them all to. | 00:18:28 | |
But yes, if we don't do anything, we continue our problems. | 00:18:36 | |
Let me back up. We have one house that actually had water, and we had two houses that were very close. | 00:18:42 | |
To heavy watering. | 00:18:48 | |
So that's that project a little more phase two, AKA the jungle. | 00:18:53 | |
Umm, now we've got 2. | 00:18:59 | |
Big projects under construction that will be done by the end of the month as well. In fact, I think Castle Lane might be done as. | 00:19:02 | |
Nearly done by the end of next week. | 00:19:12 | |
It's been under construction for two months. | 00:19:16 | |
We're cheering over here. Yeah, I. | 00:19:20 | |
On the lane. | 00:19:24 | |
Come this winter we will be replacing the bridge across the canal there as well, so that'll start construction. | 00:19:27 | |
In November, likely. | 00:19:34 | |
Hilton is also under construction that should that will be done by the end of the month. | 00:19:40 | |
They are just into this upper portion on that dead end. | 00:19:49 | |
Cottonwood Lane Storm Grain started yesterday. | 00:19:54 | |
And that will continue. | 00:20:01 | |
Likely into early November. They might be able to finish by the end of October. | 00:20:05 | |
Does that address? | 00:20:12 | |
Does Caso and Cottonwood address the? | 00:20:15 | |
Awareness issues or is that? Yes, yes, all three of these projects were actually needed to do that. | 00:20:19 | |
Still and then the apps as well I guess. | 00:20:30 | |
Yeah. | 00:20:37 | |
Yeah, right at the bottom of the hill, essentially. Is that right? | 00:20:38 | |
On Cottonwood, yeah, it dumps into the Kotlin treatment on the Northside. On the Northside, it goes up to that property. | 00:20:41 | |
There's catch basins on. | 00:20:49 | |
You know, potentially in the future we might want to extend that further. | 00:20:56 | |
North but. | 00:21:00 | |
That would be more of a long term storm drain. | 00:21:02 | |
Put into a more long term storm drain faster plan. | 00:21:06 | |
Update umm. | 00:21:12 | |
Down here on Holiday Blvd. We constructed a storm drain that was essentially a bubble up that was discharging a lot of storm water | 00:21:17 | |
into the front of the Carmel Monastery, flowing over land, getting into their shed and other buildings. | 00:21:27 | |
Destroying their grass and everything. So we constructed a storm drain through their property to their back where that water can | 00:21:38 | |
then make this way too big Copper Creek. | 00:21:43 | |
Umm. | 00:21:49 | |
Over here we have another bridge replacement project that bid closed today. | 00:21:52 | |
That one, we are receiving grant money. | 00:21:57 | |
For that replacement. | 00:22:01 | |
That's not a bond project at all, but it is a project that will be starting. | 00:22:03 | |
In November we'll have some Rd. closures. | 00:22:11 | |
On 5600 S we will be noticing on that project. | 00:22:16 | |
Umm. | 00:22:23 | |
Moving South? | 00:22:27 | |
Will be starting a. | 00:22:29 | |
Project on the Tanner Ditch where the ditch is open. | 00:22:32 | |
And it's problematic because it collects leaves and needles and it's going through properties and they don't make it. | 00:22:38 | |
Backs up in clause and it has caused flooding. | 00:22:48 | |
We have a pre construction meeting on that tomorrow, so that project will be complete. We would expect that end of September, | 00:22:53 | |
maybe middle of October. | 00:22:58 | |
We've done some. | 00:23:04 | |
Upgrades over on Sonoma Drive to minimize or to better capture the storm water coming onto Sonoma Drive and get it over into the | 00:23:07 | |
canal. And in addition to that, we built the storm drain on 2300 E 100% done to minimize storm water going over to Sonoma. | 00:23:18 | |
So those two projects have. | 00:23:31 | |
Your community, I mean, you've had some pretty heavy rainfalls a couple weeks ago. | 00:23:36 | |
It'll make nothing. It's been great. OK, good. | 00:23:41 | |
Promising it's completely eliminated for all storms, but I think you'll see that lake reappear very infrequently. | 00:23:46 | |
We're very happy. | 00:23:55 | |
So what are all these projects costing and what are the statuses? | 00:23:57 | |
These are their budgets. | 00:24:03 | |
So we've got. | 00:24:06 | |
Five of them complete. | 00:24:10 | |
And then we've got another. | 00:24:13 | |
Or going to be done by the end of this month and then we're still. | 00:24:16 | |
A few that were starting. | 00:24:22 | |
One of the things that's not on the map is our. | 00:24:25 | |
Rehabilitation of our existing corrugated metal pipes. | 00:24:30 | |
That are used for storm grains. So those are the rusting pipes that are failing. They're they're corroded, they're causing | 00:24:35 | |
sinkholes. | 00:24:40 | |
So we are going in with liners and putting a new fiberglass liner inside of those pipes and stabilizing them to rehabilitate them. | 00:24:46 | |
That's a $2.5 million project. We're only we're less, a little less than 5%. | 00:24:56 | |
That is actually done because they're still going through those packs that are going to be lined. Clean them. | 00:25:03 | |
Before they put liners in. | 00:25:11 | |
That project will supposed to be done by the end of the year. I think that. | 00:25:13 | |
Extended to the new year. | 00:25:20 | |
Probably a month maybe, but that money is all committed. I mean, you know where those liners are all going. And we do, yeah. | 00:25:22 | |
So that I would say takes care of. | 00:25:31 | |
78th percent of our. | 00:25:35 | |
Corrugated metal pipe issues. | 00:25:39 | |
So I could see maybe the next few years that we would. | 00:25:46 | |
Maybe look at finding some money. | 00:25:51 | |
Continue to do more of those. | 00:25:55 | |
Pretty much taps out our bond, proceeds. | 00:26:00 | |
This stuff, Yeah. That's it, yeah. | 00:26:03 | |
Can you remind us? | 00:26:06 | |
We've got our stormwater fee in place and I want to say. | 00:26:09 | |
I want to say that I remember it made about $1,000,000 a year. | 00:26:14 | |
And are bonded about 700,000. So we still are. We still have. | 00:26:19 | |
300,000 a year. | 00:26:24 | |
Or so of money fish because we pay a portion of both Joe and Jerry get paid out of that fund. So let's say that's 8000 ish between | 00:26:26 | |
the two of them. | 00:26:32 | |
So we've got a little more. | 00:26:41 | |
To spend. | 00:26:43 | |
But I don't know if it council will remember, but. | 00:26:45 | |
When we did our financial sustainability plan. | 00:26:51 | |
Our consultant recommended that this is something we look at. | 00:26:55 | |
Or stormwater fee, as is what? | 00:27:01 | |
Yeah, we'll get this done by the time we get done. Essentially what you're saying is. | 00:27:10 | |
There's not. | 00:27:14 | |
A material amount of funds available on an annual basis for ongoing maintenance so that work may be where a future council wants | 00:27:16 | |
to look at. | 00:27:21 | |
Remember that and say the. | 00:27:27 | |
ERU is like 650 and their recommendation is like $290.00 or something four or five years. So you get. | 00:27:30 | |
Four or $500,000 a year money you can use to maintain your store price. Exactly. My view is that this is not the kind of thing | 00:27:38 | |
that should be bonded for except when we get ourselves in a hole. But they're going forward. What you bond for is like buildings | 00:27:45 | |
and opportunity to buy parks that for regular. This is regular maintenance. This should be annual budget. There should be. | 00:27:53 | |
Funds allocated annually as opposed to. | 00:28:01 | |
Deferred bank is deferred bank is deferred Venice and a whammo you got to do a big bond and as the survey. | 00:28:05 | |
It's on your electric. | 00:28:13 | |
Yeah, because we don't have a building, partners are rocking up power Flex. If they charge us a fee, you'll see if you look at | 00:28:15 | |
your power bill, you'll see. This is when we have the state area that has a different rate. | 00:28:21 | |
Plan of how to improve this. | 00:28:37 | |
Along Lake Holloway and. | 00:28:39 | |
Holly Blvd. | 00:28:43 | |
So we did. | 00:28:44 | |
You just the question, is there a way to protect that property or is there still there's still some concerns in that area? | 00:28:46 | |
So none of those we don't have a great solution to. | 00:28:59 | |
Committee day on the storm issues in that area at the current. | 00:29:09 | |
Which is why we want to have you, because that was the cheaper solution it was. We do know that there are ongoing issues there, | 00:29:13 | |
however. | 00:29:18 | |
We haven't put it into the bond projects and it would be something that we would study. | 00:29:24 | |
In the future, maybe this is a gross oversimplification, but essentially we bought us. | 00:29:32 | |
But we don't have good routing to it to keep the flood. | 00:29:41 | |
Talking about. | 00:29:45 | |
Right. Yeah. And that would be very costly to improve the. | 00:29:46 | |
The drainage stood off the body Blvd. Yeah, and I think that might be referring to just other drainage in the area outside of the | 00:29:50 | |
goalie. Or are you only referring to that goalie? I think when there's a big story coming down Hallway and down Holiday Blvd. | 00:30:00 | |
Lesson Longview. | 00:30:10 | |
And I think it all sort of ends there for. | 00:30:14 | |
Yes, it goes up and over Holly Blvd. and kind of gathers and collects down and goes through those people's yards that are just on | 00:30:17 | |
the left side of Hollywood, right? | 00:30:21 | |
Yeah, we don't have any other houses that are under threat of flooding there, but we do have this kind of storm water going | 00:30:26 | |
wherever it wants to. | 00:30:31 | |
One question on the while we're on the topic back on the stormwater fund though. So in an ideal scenario we would have. | 00:30:47 | |
That money that we collect from the stormwater fund, stormwater. | 00:30:53 | |
Fee sustaining our ongoing maintenance and sufficient to handle it and we think that that budget number should be what. | 00:30:59 | |
And that's a great question. I think we're going to need to update our. | 00:31:10 | |
We've really made a ton of progress. | 00:31:17 | |
But my recollection is somewhere in the errors that the. | 00:31:20 | |
Four or five years ago. | 00:31:24 | |
Yes, I, I, I remember that we went through that and they, they basically went. | 00:31:31 | |
So 50% more than this right now, yeah. They basically said, you know, this will get you your bonding and it'll allow you to. | 00:31:37 | |
To make these critical. | 00:31:45 | |
Infrastructure improvements. | 00:31:48 | |
Pulsing pulse absolutely right that you shouldn't be bonding for this stuff. We should have enough annual income coming into | 00:31:51 | |
properly maintain what we've got. So I think the question would be. | 00:31:57 | |
Is is there a way to quantify that which is? I think they did said look, you need. | 00:32:03 | |
You really should be spending $1,000,000 a year if you want whatever that number is, and so your fee should be this and. | 00:32:08 | |
That was about the time we should be looking at that and. | 00:32:15 | |
Once this gets in I think. | 00:32:19 | |
Our Council. | 00:32:21 | |
What do we think is a proper amount of money to generate to responsibly maintain what we have? | 00:32:23 | |
And based on that. | 00:32:30 | |
What? What should the proper fee be? I can tell you from. | 00:32:33 | |
A little bit of higher storm water fee is really, really low. | 00:32:38 | |
And not like that, but this, that fee would be one that really should be adjusted with inflation over time as well. Just because | 00:32:42 | |
that maintenance doesn't doesn't get cheaper, right? | 00:32:46 | |
No. | 00:32:54 | |
So. | 00:33:00 | |
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that should be. | 00:33:04 | |
Something. | 00:33:06 | |
That's all going to be done. It looks like in the April May time frame. That would be a great time maybe next budget season to | 00:33:08 | |
look at, you know, okay, let's, let's pull that back up. Let's look at what they said. Let's reevaluate what we've done and start | 00:33:13 | |
talking about. | 00:33:18 | |
What a proper storm rate fee should be. | 00:33:23 | |
I like that because it provides transparency to residents. This is the hospital and it goes to a specific function. It doesn't go | 00:33:27 | |
away with general pool so. | 00:33:31 | |
But this is a big deal. Well done. | 00:33:36 | |
Just one other comment again, while we're on the topic with this Oiler property and the how much buildable area is there to the | 00:33:39 | |
higher elevation? | 00:33:42 | |
I think it's like. | 00:33:46 | |
25 feet from the property line. So not enough for a residential No. I think the neighbor was trying to maybe carve off this strict | 00:33:48 | |
building. Garage back there, but pool house? | 00:33:54 | |
Some lot line adjustments and things like that, so. | 00:34:02 | |
So if a person brought in Phil. | 00:34:09 | |
And to get to keep the elevation up, though mostly I'm just thinking because 900 grand or something like that for that. | 00:34:12 | |
Chunk of money and I just want to maximize the value for the city's sake right If we if there was some course where we're | 00:34:18 | |
protected from the risks that we bought it for right but then and so if neighbors are going to get together and offer us 25 grand | 00:34:25 | |
or 50 grand or something for that property. I would say before bringing that to us maybe you all feel differently but I would say | 00:34:31 | |
let's at least look at. | 00:34:38 | |
If there's other possibilities that could get us more like what a buildable lot would be, which might be with 400%. | 00:34:45 | |
OK. | 00:34:53 | |
How far do you want us to go? | 00:34:59 | |
With that. | 00:35:02 | |
I don't spend a lot of time on it, but at least look at it and if it's possible and. | 00:35:06 | |
Then. | 00:35:12 | |
If there's a difference, potentially 350 or four, $50,000. | 00:35:16 | |
Again, what's the single family residence? I mean, we could probably turn it into a buildable lot if that's the City Council is | 00:35:21 | |
directing us to do. It would cost money. | 00:35:27 | |
By bringing in some fill. | 00:35:33 | |
Also, you want to make sure, does that mean the limit of our liability? I don't want more liability, but well, I think. | 00:35:37 | |
From an engineering perspective, it is feasible. From a zoning perspective and. | 00:35:47 | |
It is 3 lots. It's at 2 lots. In front of it there's. | 00:35:53 | |
And parking has always been issued back there so. | 00:35:59 | |
I think it depends on, I think if somebody is going to make an offer, maybe you want to see what the offer is. And I think so we | 00:36:03 | |
did get a. | 00:36:08 | |
Appraisal done on it and the appraisal. | 00:36:13 | |
So we have given the appraisal to. | 00:36:22 | |
Adjacent property owners, that was. | 00:36:25 | |
So that would be an issue where once we got the closed session and say, OK, and then I see what you're saying that Ty is we want | 00:36:29 | |
to do the best we can for a residence and it's certainly something we can at least have a conversation about. And then. | 00:36:37 | |
Yeah, OK, cool. | 00:36:45 | |
Yeah, I agree with Paul though. | 00:36:48 | |
Yeah, that's a lot of, that's a lot of work to get to this point where it's. | 00:36:51 | |
Like half of it's done and half of it's on the road to be done by say, end of April. | 00:36:57 | |
We spent two years planning many of these projects and. | 00:37:04 | |
And we're in the construction review. So sorry. One other thing while we're on topic too, RJ Gordon and company, I don't know if | 00:37:07 | |
you're familiar with them or not, they're a holiday resident that have a really innovative new business that they're going to ask | 00:37:13 | |
me to sell these all over where they have like some Lidar scanning system about a year ago. | 00:37:18 | |
I gave him some data. | 00:37:26 | |
And I haven't heard back from them. OK. I just want to make sure that you that the connection was there. And yeah, they're doing | 00:37:28 | |
well. | 00:37:32 | |
Some of you were aware of them, yeah. They asked us if you R&D were using our storm grade system. | 00:37:37 | |
So I don't know. | 00:37:44 | |
From that R&D? | 00:37:46 | |
Yeah, OK, great. | 00:37:48 | |
I was hoping to hear back from I can make that happen. | 00:37:49 | |
OK. | 00:37:53 | |
All right. Thanks, Jared. So finally is the Adu thing. So the Adu things in AD is in the packet. | 00:37:55 | |
Steve and I are talking about this earlier, trying to jump our own memories about. | 00:38:04 | |
How far you've got, but I think John and the staff did a pretty good job of. | 00:38:09 | |
Restating. | 00:38:14 | |
The issues that we are going to work on and. | 00:38:16 | |
I think what we do is just start going through them and. | 00:38:19 | |
See how many get a thumbs up and how many we still have work to do. | 00:38:22 | |
You know, it's like I said, I don't. I'd love to get it done, but I think it's more important that we get it right and get it | 00:38:27 | |
done. | 00:38:30 | |
I think once this is done. | 00:38:34 | |
We're going to start seeing you're going to speak with you. Well, so we want to be comfortable that we've got the ordinance in | 00:38:36 | |
place, we want to have in place. So I'll let you just take it from there, start walking us through it, okay? | 00:38:43 | |
So I'll start with the staff report and talk about where we left off in Maple May. | 00:38:52 | |
Have been feeling really good about the council. Was was OK with the amendments that came from 5:00. | 00:39:00 | |
Sort of what we left open-ended. | 00:39:06 | |
Kind of over on the fence about. | 00:39:09 | |
Specifically. | 00:39:13 | |
Obviously we have some state code that requires these amendments. | 00:39:16 | |
What we wanted to do is expand and clarify owner occupied. | 00:39:19 | |
Parking requirements were tied to parking standards for the bedroom that was added outside of was already existing. | 00:39:29 | |
No real minimum lot size for. | 00:39:40 | |
At an Adu that has either. | 00:39:43 | |
If it's interior to the property. | 00:39:47 | |
Yeah. | 00:39:50 | |
No special consideration for corner lots or double fronting lots. The idea there was. | 00:39:53 | |
Regardless of what lot size you had if you were a corner. | 00:39:59 | |
You could detach that unit from the house. | 00:40:02 | |
That was an idea, but. | 00:40:05 | |
Specific scenario. | 00:40:08 | |
New language for additional height 5 feet over what was normally allowed for detached. | 00:40:13 | |
So 25 feet rather than 20. | 00:40:19 | |
For. | 00:40:22 | |
That allows for some upstairs. | 00:40:23 | |
Loft height. | 00:40:26 | |
For. | 00:40:28 | |
Sitting above a garage. | 00:40:29 | |
Removal of this idea of ground level only living space. | 00:40:33 | |
The structures within a set back were primary. | 00:40:39 | |
I think that was definitely a good movie. | 00:40:44 | |
Removal of graduated height standard that was amended by the Planning Commission to be. | 00:40:47 | |
26 feet. So if you're imaginary standing at the property line, you have this 6 foot. | 00:40:52 | |
Height at a 45° angle that goes in toward the property. | 00:40:58 | |
The mass of that building have to be below that height. | 00:41:03 | |
Set 6 foot height is not used in the ordinance anywhere rather than 8 feet. | 00:41:07 | |
So I think that the council made a good move on keeping that at 8 feet, and it was studied pretty extensively. When that witness | 00:41:15 | |
was created, it wasn't really necessary an arbitrary number. | 00:41:20 | |
And allows for that second level to begin over. Like if you have a garage, you have a kind of a taller door height for your garage | 00:41:26 | |
door header. | 00:41:31 | |
When you want to get into an upstairs loft situation, this number comes into play and it's extremely important to make that work. | 00:41:36 | |
When you start reducing that, it limits the height that ceiling height. It's usable upstairs. | 00:41:43 | |
Compliant with lot coverage maximums. | 00:41:53 | |
And that was something that. | 00:41:56 | |
Rear yards can be covered with more than a certain percentage of structures that remained in the code. | 00:41:59 | |
Is that a percentage? | 00:42:08 | |
25%. | 00:42:10 | |
Covered with. | 00:42:14 | |
And then removal of this idea of restricting windows. | 00:42:18 | |
That was direct conflict with. | 00:42:24 | |
Egress issues with. | 00:42:27 | |
So there has to be with open. | 00:42:31 | |
So that brings us to the next section of where we. | 00:42:35 | |
Primarily made the majority of the adjustments as per council meeting. Now in my copy, hopefully on the screen you can see the | 00:42:39 | |
difference between purple and fuchsia. | 00:42:44 | |
My eyes suddenly seemed that well, so I don't care with me. | 00:42:49 | |
As you go through these, we tried to pick yeah, I guess you can see them there. | 00:42:54 | |
Anyway. | 00:43:02 | |
So to start off here, temporary absence was added in this line. | 00:43:04 | |
We had some, we had some. | 00:43:17 | |
Redundant language in one of these we just removed. | 00:43:19 | |
Owner can't live in advance because of the modified temporary absence of three years for temporary absence. | 00:43:24 | |
We just cleaned that up. | 00:43:30 | |
In that situation, the idea here was you want to have a situation where we don't get into. | 00:43:33 | |
Medical issues. | 00:43:41 | |
The property owners confirm the medical issue and have medical absence. That's something that we didn't want to touch. | 00:43:43 | |
So if it's modified leave of absence for a 36 years or three years, they still have that. | 00:43:49 | |
Order occupied criteria that replace the property. | 00:43:56 | |
Umm, discussion on being designated in a manner that's compatible with the neighborhood residential vernacular. | 00:44:06 | |
This idea floats around a lot of zoning codes that you have construction of. | 00:44:12 | |
Pretty much anything. | 00:44:17 | |
This idea of has to match its neighborhood. | 00:44:19 | |
And that's so arbitrary it could be argued. | 00:44:22 | |
At what is the neighborhood holiday? | 00:44:25 | |
For some light Mr. Goofy looking things that are each others up. I don't know how you and honestly the nature of a detached into | 00:44:30 | |
you lately, especially if you're following anything on Instagram or social media. | 00:44:36 | |
It doesn't look like a pure legitimate house. It's usually very modern. | 00:44:44 | |
Not have pitched roofs, that type of thing so. | 00:44:50 | |
Very difficult to say that it has to follow some sort of architectural standard. Well, it seems like when people like raise the | 00:44:53 | |
property and then rebuild, they're not held to some neighborhood vernacular standards, so. | 00:44:59 | |
My house. | 00:45:08 | |
So we're just checking that out. | 00:45:11 | |
Now on to sort of the meat and potatoes of what we were talking about. | 00:45:16 | |
Last. | 00:45:20 | |
Setbacks. | 00:45:23 | |
The concern here revolved around the Planning Commission's recommendation that. | 00:45:24 | |
A 10 foot set back was required for all accessory loan years. | 00:45:31 | |
Seth kind of bristled at this situation because. | 00:45:35 | |
It doesn't really provide equal protection for whether you're building a garage or any garage has smaller setbacks. It could be | 00:45:40 | |
shoved into the corner of your backyard. | 00:45:45 | |
But if you're proposing to you, it need to be pulled off. | 00:45:51 | |
Simple distance. | 00:45:54 | |
10 feet or so into the backyard. | 00:45:56 | |
This eventually would turn into. | 00:46:00 | |
From Sap's point of view and enforcement. | 00:46:02 | |
One day it's permitted for us and. | 00:46:06 | |
In the next 5 to six months. | 00:46:08 | |
However. | 00:46:13 | |
What the City Council or the council was looking at. | 00:46:15 | |
Specifically with context and some exceptions. | 00:46:20 | |
A reduction of that distance. | 00:46:24 | |
If your property is next to a canal, your property is next to a big parking lot to a commercial building. | 00:46:27 | |
Those situations can reduce that 10 foot number down. | 00:46:33 | |
To up into whatever the accessory accessory building set back is. | 00:46:38 | |
So. | 00:46:44 | |
In the chart, maybe Sydney? | 00:46:47 | |
Scroll down a little bit. | 00:46:50 | |
We get to it before. These are the context or the treatment elements. | 00:46:52 | |
That could be proposed to reduce your set back by a percentage. | 00:46:58 | |
These numbers are what we just came up with. | 00:47:03 | |
We can talk about these later and if I want to talk about these one-on-one with me, we'll be happy to. | 00:47:06 | |
This is what we. | 00:47:13 | |
Kind of foresaw as what could possibly be the potential acceptable reduction in that impact? | 00:47:15 | |
So if you agree to have with your neighbor Nicholas masonry wall, you can reduce that template by 50%. | 00:47:23 | |
8 down, 4 feet or so. | 00:47:30 | |
That fourth line item. | 00:47:34 | |
Immediately adjacent to the existing accessory building on the neighboring property. | 00:47:37 | |
Does that presume that's not an accessory dwelling building? | 00:47:41 | |
Not necessarily. | 00:47:45 | |
So they get to be. | 00:47:47 | |
Yeah, kissing cousin 80 used there. | 00:47:49 | |
And also it probably needs to be clarified too, immediately adjacent to the. | 00:47:52 | |
But the idea is that. | 00:47:58 | |
If one building is set back at 3 feet, do you also get 3 feet? Or if they have a non conforming building and they're at 1 foot set | 00:48:01 | |
back? | 00:48:05 | |
I don't think we're comfortable with that. | 00:48:10 | |
Difference, but at least 80% is allowed to reduce that 10 foot number down if there's. | 00:48:13 | |
You can go down to two feet. | 00:48:21 | |
80% off. | 00:48:23 | |
Yeah, there's, there's some, there's some exceptions in here that says you can't go any closer than what the accessory building | 00:48:25 | |
set back is. | 00:48:29 | |
Usually that hovers around three to five feet. | 00:48:34 | |
Right, right. And so I thought that that certainly makes sense. Well. | 00:48:38 | |
Let's say someone is complying with the whatever, it's 10 foot rule. | 00:48:45 | |
First neighbor does the 10 foot rule 81 Adu back there, but that's an accessory building. So this guy comes along and he can cheat | 00:48:50 | |
because this guys. | 00:48:56 | |
Further complied and further. | 00:49:02 | |
I think that makes sense if it's not an Adu. | 00:49:05 | |
Just the accessory building that's a garage or a ship that who cares? | 00:49:09 | |
But like one guys got Adu back there. | 00:49:13 | |
And the second guy gets an advantage, which I think could cause some conflict, yeah. | 00:49:19 | |
Umm, only I mean I like the idea that other than if it's an Adu. | 00:49:26 | |
How is that different than the third from the bottom? Coordination with a budding property owner to build adjacent 80 years. | 00:49:31 | |
So if you had one or more neighbors that still had the same idea. | 00:49:38 | |
But that really doesn't exist yet. So instead of this is a pre-existing situation. If they didn't have one we all want to do. | 00:49:43 | |
And we're all and we're OK with it. We can all have the three foot set back and I'll get clustered. OK, so. | 00:49:53 | |
That doesn't mean no set back. That means no that that removes it down to all the way down to what the required set back would be | 00:50:01 | |
for an accessory. So if you're just the building garage. | 00:50:06 | |
You could take it all the way down to the five foot from the 4th. | 00:50:12 | |
Whatever. | 00:50:15 | |
So your lot size gets larger that set back. | 00:50:18 | |
This is all considering if you're building a new ad's. | 00:50:23 | |
A new one comes in. 10 foot is the set back. | 00:50:28 | |
Unless you want to reduce it by using some of these. | 00:50:31 | |
Hey, Joe, just a minor thing. If we go back to line 65. | 00:50:41 | |
Like it looks like C paragraph 2 has been deleted. | 00:50:56 | |
So should that transition to 2-3 I mean. | 00:51:04 | |
01 to two, yeah, just yes, yeah. | 00:51:08 | |
A number in it In it. | 00:51:17 | |
No, that actually references that this language that's used in the chart no closer than. | 00:51:33 | |
Here's the reference of the title of the column in the chart. | 00:51:40 | |
Not this one, but. | 00:51:46 | |
I think it's previous. It's up above. | 00:51:48 | |
So this. | 00:51:52 | |
Mitigating. | 00:51:56 | |
Treatment. | 00:51:59 | |
What are the mitigating window treatments? | 00:52:01 | |
Umm. | 00:52:15 | |
So what we were trying to figure out what architectural. | 00:52:18 | |
Trends are being used to buffer when there's. | 00:52:29 | |
Close impact in every property. So we were looking at is some American Institute of Architecture. | 00:52:33 | |
Design styles. | 00:52:39 | |
And they were using muted color tones and palettes. | 00:52:41 | |
Things that would not be so drastic like white cut painted brick. | 00:52:46 | |
Things like that, That's what we use, Buddhist color choice in there. | 00:52:51 | |
The problem with all of these elements is this is a ongoing enforcement for. | 00:52:57 | |
The neighbor is saying, well yeah, they painted it and muted. | 00:53:03 | |
Ground so it kind of blends into whatever landscape they put in there. But now the next neighbor came back and. | 00:53:06 | |
So. | 00:53:15 | |
Window treatments is essentially a tinted situation. | 00:53:20 | |
I might want to just take the color choice off. | 00:53:29 | |
And if you have any other ideas, So what we're trying. | 00:53:39 | |
Sort of figure out what what would be a business for an aid you really close to the property. | 00:53:44 | |
Sometimes it's complaining the colors, sometimes the architecture itself. | 00:53:51 | |
I'm wondering. | 00:53:58 | |
You can somehow in the design it would be very site specific I think. But if there's an issue where like one window is exactly | 00:54:00 | |
aligned with your neighbors window to like. | 00:54:05 | |
Offset that I don't know. | 00:54:12 | |
Because that's, that's the thing that I noticed like out in Daybreak where they're like that. There's some properties that you can | 00:54:14 | |
just see right through. | 00:54:18 | |
And the windows are exactly alike, so that's just. | 00:54:24 | |
Yeah. And that's kind of why we ranked it so low. | 00:54:28 | |
It's not something that's. | 00:54:31 | |
That that happens on. | 00:54:37 | |
Lower levels. | 00:54:38 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 00:54:40 | |
And that might not be even something that could be feasibly. | 00:54:49 | |
Enforceable at all? | 00:54:52 | |
Simply an idea. | 00:54:56 | |
Well, in fact, it's listed on the. | 00:55:01 | |
List of mitigated mitigated choices doesn't necessarily mean after. | 00:55:05 | |
Except that they're both. | 00:55:09 | |
So this chart would reply to. | 00:55:18 | |
Obviously anything that would be newly proposed new construction and they wanted to reduce that 10 foot. | 00:55:21 | |
Provides a negative factor. | 00:55:28 | |
So that family that had this son that needed to live. | 00:55:31 | |
On their property. | 00:55:35 | |
To the original time wouldn't work. | 00:55:37 | |
That they have those mature trees that would block. | 00:55:40 | |
Am I remembering this right? Wasn't that where it was up against? | 00:55:43 | |
Yeah, the Creek or the world was it like. | 00:55:48 | |
Express or something like that. Yeah, I think there was something like that it was up against. | 00:55:52 | |
And there was a mature tree. So this would these kind of things would help them hopefully address that. | 00:55:58 | |
I really do like. | 00:56:04 | |
These options to provide context specific guidance. | 00:56:06 | |
So these are sort of the exceptions and what would have to be built into the application before that. | 00:56:15 | |
And then the next element would have been. | 00:56:24 | |
Well, what do we do with existing buildings? | 00:56:27 | |
They don't have anywhere near. | 00:56:30 | |
This required set. | 00:56:32 | |
And. | 00:56:36 | |
We understood from the Council that. | 00:56:37 | |
This is on the. We were, everybody was on the. | 00:56:40 | |
Could you convert an existing garage into an accessory? | 00:56:45 | |
Accessory unit. | 00:56:48 | |
Like a lot of your neighborhoods have two to three foot garages that were built in the 60s. | 00:56:50 | |
Back the property. | 00:56:57 | |
So some of the situations that we were coming up with was this idea of. | 00:57:00 | |
In line additions if they needed to expand it. | 00:57:06 | |
They would all be able to expand the nonconforming set back up to 50% of what was there. | 00:57:10 | |
Before they have to come into compliance and add on to it at the 10 foot. | 00:57:15 | |
The graduated height would still comply. Usually that wouldn't get you a second level over the existing. | 00:57:21 | |
And then I think we had under here. | 00:57:30 | |
The idea that, well, if you have a garage in the basement level is your Adu. | 00:57:35 | |
Than the template set back you have this 100 foot. | 00:57:41 | |
Reduction. | 00:57:47 | |
When you're below level like you got over here. | 00:57:48 | |
Which is which is a valid. I mean it's a valid. | 00:57:56 | |
No. | 00:58:06 | |
This is why laws are so. | 00:58:08 | |
Right. It's like there's so many variables, so many. | 00:58:10 | |
So and then on the next in our report on Page 3, again talking about conversion of existing buildings. | 00:58:27 | |
They could still request the treatments chart. | 00:58:35 | |
To mitigate whatever set back that they currently have. | 00:58:39 | |
So they had to spend some money. | 00:58:43 | |
To keep the set back that they currently have to convert a garage into an Adu. | 00:58:45 | |
Meaning they would have to build that 8 foot masonry wall. They would have to install all the landscaping of the buffer against | 00:58:50 | |
the neighbor. | 00:58:53 | |
To get this distance down to where they're at. | 00:58:58 | |
May not work. | 00:59:01 | |
Cheaper than moving the garage, yeah, and. | 00:59:04 | |
It does create. | 00:59:08 | |
So you're. | 00:59:10 | |
Because these garages are just up so close, it creates protection. | 00:59:11 | |
And by the time they get so far into some of these. | 00:59:20 | |
Extreme measures. | 00:59:24 | |
How you likely that if? | 00:59:27 | |
They have a good designer and architect. They can say, well, that money would be better spent. | 00:59:29 | |
Raising the property and starting over. | 00:59:33 | |
Not that that would be a hope because that eliminates affordability aspect, but. | 00:59:38 | |
It comes into compliance with your 10 foot. | 00:59:43 | |
Set back. | 00:59:46 | |
So did we start on the 80% on the list that that is not? | 00:59:57 | |
Accessory buildings not. | 01:00:02 | |
Dwelling units, right? | 01:00:04 | |
Right. | 01:00:07 | |
If your neighbor. | 01:00:10 | |
Didn't care for example. | 01:00:12 | |
Do they have like take that garage? | 01:00:14 | |
And they didn't. | 01:00:18 | |
You know, is it dependent on the neighbor? | 01:00:19 | |
If they were to sign something that they don't, they don't care, kind of connect, but rather than I mean, it makes me walk. You | 01:00:22 | |
get to be at 10 foot basically walk to be expensive. And if it's a building that's been there for who knows how long and they're | 01:00:27 | |
used to it and the neighbor doesn't care. | 01:00:31 | |
I don't know, just thinking of those kinds of sessions. | 01:00:37 | |
A lot of cities kind of went. | 01:00:40 | |
For those ad hoc variance type situations, if neighbor signs off on it then. | 01:00:43 | |
However, we're enforcing those over the long period of time. | 01:00:50 | |
If they didn't catch that during their own due diligence. | 01:00:56 | |
Usually. | 01:01:01 | |
To a situation where they. | 01:01:03 | |
Respecting the city on a preexisting agreement. | 01:01:04 | |
I think that's something that's up to the council. I don't know if that's something that's do those scenarios come before you very | 01:01:10 | |
often or ever? Usually they would come to us in a boundary line agreement. | 01:01:16 | |
Situation where the two neighbors didn't necessarily move a property, but they agreed to. | 01:01:23 | |
Call the barbed wire fence. In there since the 20s. | 01:01:29 | |
And the new owner gets a survey that says it's not. | 01:01:34 | |
But I mean the scenarios where you have somebody wanting to do something that's. | 01:01:42 | |
Is non conforming. You know with the non conforming. | 01:01:47 | |
So then that list of existing provisions that are allowed for existing buildings is. | 01:02:16 | |
Bulleted list on your page stream your second order. | 01:02:22 | |
Where are we now? | 01:02:37 | |
So really we're around lines 130 through 153. | 01:02:44 | |
Draft. | 01:02:49 | |
Hey, this is minor but since we're trying to get to a final document. | 01:02:52 | |
I'm just wondering on the numbering and lettering on this stuff like. | 01:02:58 | |
Yeah, should 126 DBC. | 01:03:02 | |
HSBC and that'll change. | 01:03:09 | |
It will. We'll go through. Yeah, I'm just saying you might as well clean these up. | 01:03:13 | |
139.8. | 01:03:17 | |
Should that just be 9? | 01:03:22 | |
Heard that right? | 01:03:26 | |
Flight One 39130. | 01:03:29 | |
1:30 should be 9 and 1:37 should be D. | 01:03:33 | |
And 1:39 should be CI believe yes. | 01:03:39 | |
So anyway, blah blah blah. | 01:03:43 | |
Anyway, so if you're comfortable with what's going on with the. | 01:03:54 | |
Proposals. | 01:03:57 | |
We still have. | 01:03:59 | |
Opportunity to discuss if you want to. | 01:04:01 | |
Chat about these details or understand them. | 01:04:03 | |
We can create a cleaner. | 01:04:06 | |
Do you have any concerns with any of these? | 01:04:11 | |
I still have a concern with the 10 foot set back. | 01:04:16 | |
From my point of view, when you look at. | 01:04:20 | |
Protection of. | 01:04:23 | |
Property rights and equal application of property rights. | 01:04:24 | |
Difference between a garage or. | 01:04:29 | |
Full house should not be any different than an accessory door either. | 01:04:31 | |
I didn't think any of the Planning Commission had stuck with a 10 feet, but I didn't think we had. | 01:04:35 | |
Well, it's still in there and we're trying to figure out how to reduce that based upon circumstances. Yeah. | 01:04:40 | |
If you want to remove all the circumstances. | 01:04:46 | |
Because you had it before just based on lot size, right? Yeah. | 01:04:48 | |
If you want to remove all those contextual treatments to reduce by percentages and just stick to accessory building setbacks, | 01:04:52 | |
here's your lot size, here's your accessibility. Doesn't matter what it is. | 01:04:57 | |
That's what I prefer. It's a lot easier to enforce. | 01:05:05 | |
You don't get into neighboring property agreements, it gets to be recorded and enforced later. | 01:05:08 | |
Removes a lot of somewhat arbitrary. | 01:05:16 | |
Adjustments. | 01:05:20 | |
Let's Scroll down because you've got it right here in the start, right? 13.14, right there, right there, right? So that right | 01:05:24 | |
column. | 01:05:27 | |
45689 based on lot size instead of the minimum of 10 regardless. | 01:05:34 | |
It just increases by 25%. | 01:05:40 | |
And that you would not have any of these contact treatments you took that out to because we're not saying an accessory building is | 01:05:43 | |
10 feet. That's the column in the middle of 34567. Yes, it's just that it's an Adu. | 01:05:50 | |
Where we're increasing by 25% or the 10 foot minimum. | 01:05:58 | |
I mentioned it before and frankly. | 01:06:04 | |
I do a lot of auto repair work in my own garage. I can make a lot more noise than an accessory doing it again. | 01:06:08 | |
I'm not in love with the 10 foot thing. | 01:06:17 | |
I kind of like 25% increase. | 01:06:22 | |
I'm OK with 25% increase model as opposed to the. | 01:06:26 | |
Instead of slapping A10 foot mineral on it. | 01:06:29 | |
Primarily because you've got the non accessory dwelling unit 1. | 01:06:33 | |
That's not changing. That's not going to 10 feet, right? | 01:06:38 | |
But then if we have somebody converting you. | 01:06:42 | |
Through an Adu. | 01:06:48 | |
Then they use the context treatments to. | 01:06:50 | |
Litigation. | 01:06:54 | |
Well, ideally if they were, say, they built a garage last year, they would have been conforming to the middle column. | 01:06:56 | |
If they would convert and they wouldn't, they wouldn't have to do anything. They could just. | 01:07:03 | |
Maybe apply some buffering standards that you are comfortable with. | 01:07:07 | |
Otherwise, even just a 25% increase, the last year's garage that need to be converted in this year's Adu couldn't be built. | 01:07:15 | |
To come there to find some elements to buffer. | 01:07:21 | |
So we would we would require the buffering. | 01:07:27 | |
If you were to keep the 25%. | 01:07:31 | |
So to be clear, you were suggesting that the last column go away. | 01:07:32 | |
I'm more comfortable with the 25% increase. | 01:07:39 | |
What, you're saying you're more comfortable with the numbers in red? No, no. | 01:07:44 | |
No, no, no. With that, with that entire calling away. | 01:07:49 | |
Regardless of what type of use is going on inside the structure. | 01:07:54 | |
He's saying if he has a garage that's three feet away from the property line, he could be just as noisy and cause just as much of | 01:07:58 | |
a nuisance. | 01:08:02 | |
More maybe than. | 01:08:07 | |
It's either that or move the far right column into the middle column. | 01:08:12 | |
Yes or yes. Yes, yes. So they're the same, Yes. | 01:08:19 | |
Substitute out the other testing more regardless. | 01:08:23 | |
That seems like to be the better compromise. | 01:08:27 | |
Make column four into column three. | 01:08:30 | |
Going good. | 01:08:32 | |
Yeah, you're taking all the numbers in the right column and just applying them to. | 01:08:35 | |
Well. | 01:08:40 | |
Just because then. | 01:08:43 | |
I don't how it has been. Has worked fine for the case. My personal preference would be to lose that last column. | 01:08:46 | |
Try it and see how it goes and see if we have complaints and if we had to, you know, increase the rehearsal. Grandfather, | 01:08:55 | |
grandfather cases. Did you agree with that? | 01:08:59 | |
The only caveat to that is the problem that we have had in the past is once you get into. | 01:09:04 | |
Category of over. | 01:09:10 | |
An acre and a half to two acres. | 01:09:13 | |
This number keeps getting higher and it's kind of in. It gets ridiculous. | 01:09:15 | |
Doesn't make any difference if you have a cat, the Max is. | 01:09:20 | |
Yeah, let's get there. | 01:09:25 | |
Right. | 01:09:28 | |
Yeah, just because you've got a big lot right at some point to. | 01:09:33 | |
40,000 up or whatever. | 01:09:39 | |
Yeah, that's just been. | 01:09:46 | |
I totally agree with that point of contention at the counter when you say 2 acres have to be 15 feet away from my neighbor. | 01:09:49 | |
Right. | 01:09:56 | |
Let's dig between two acres and an acre. | 01:09:57 | |
But it's only two to three feet. | 01:10:02 | |
I agree is is isn't in a residential scenario isn't 10 foot. | 01:10:05 | |
It is reasonable. | 01:10:11 | |
Now that's something that was not considered at all. | 01:10:15 | |
Under this limit. | 01:10:21 | |
OK. So if we were to take that. | 01:10:32 | |
4th column and justice move it into the third column. Is that what you're saying? Or just keep the third column as it is? Let me | 01:10:36 | |
just keep again. | 01:10:39 | |
My take would be. | 01:10:43 | |
I would suggest keeping the third column. | 01:10:45 | |
See how it goes, and it can always be revisited if there are issues that arise. | 01:10:47 | |
Are you saying that we should really cap it at 10? | 01:10:52 | |
So you just eliminate all those? Can you eliminate all the lots below that? So 47476 and above? | 01:10:56 | |
Or over, over 47601, Yeah. | 01:11:06 | |
Far from life. | 01:11:10 | |
Well, I'm more worried about 3 feet from a property line having a window. | 01:11:13 | |
Into another window. | 01:11:17 | |
That's where that's where I go. | 01:11:20 | |
Chris, that also assumes that the adjacent properties on the back of the lot. | 01:11:29 | |
And it's not an Adu? Or are you looking at Adu? | 01:11:36 | |
Well, our backyard neighbors were like on a corner and they. | 01:11:44 | |
Extended back behind their garage and have a window that's. | 01:11:49 | |
Really, really close and they always keep the blinds up and stuff that. | 01:11:53 | |
If they didn't, we could see just. | 01:11:57 | |
Straight into everything. | 01:12:00 | |
Does the difference of a few feet make it? I mean, does it? Does it make it a? | 01:12:04 | |
6 feet you have the same problem, right? That's true. | 01:12:11 | |
So right now you can build a garage 3 feet from your property. | 01:12:16 | |
Right in that lot range. | 01:12:20 | |
Which is a super small and that's what the consideration is your rear yard smaller? | 01:12:23 | |
So the more you move it in, it just becomes useless. Not useless, but. | 01:12:29 | |
No. | 01:12:34 | |
8000 these small homes, they get to be 100 and 5200 foot casinos. | 01:12:40 | |
But that would open up the number of blocks that or the number of 80s that could be. | 01:12:52 | |
Yes. | 01:12:58 | |
Yeah, that's a good consideration. | 01:13:01 | |
So we can make that change. | 01:13:15 | |
And then bring it back in a more. | 01:13:19 | |
Normal draft. | 01:13:21 | |
We'll find the. | 01:13:26 | |
I am not clear about what this. | 01:13:33 | |
This change that we're talking about. | 01:13:37 | |
He is back on Shark 13. | 01:13:39 | |
That meeting, we eliminate the future chart that would go away. That was up. | 01:13:47 | |
After the convergence. | 01:13:52 | |
Yeah, conversion. | 01:13:55 | |
Oh yes, we can keep it for existing buildings that don't meet that middle. | 01:13:58 | |
Say if you aggregate them, your garage is already at. | 01:14:05 | |
And did you need to keep that chart to reduce that? | 01:14:09 | |
So it's just for conversions only opportunity just for new Adus? | 01:14:14 | |
That are required to tend to a set back. If you remove that, then that chart doesn't apply to reducing the set back. | 01:14:20 | |
But your existing garage you want to convert. | 01:14:28 | |
And it's 2 feet rather than the three you need to pick from one of these buffering. | 01:14:33 | |
Elements Series. | 01:14:40 | |
Not really mitigate difference. | 01:14:43 | |
So does that. | 01:14:51 | |
Yeah, unless we get some. | 01:14:53 | |
Red herrings should we, So should we be able to? | 01:14:59 | |
Take these final. | 01:15:03 | |
Changes and come up with a. | 01:15:06 | |
Clean coffee at the next meeting to review and say. | 01:15:08 | |
Yeah. So at the work session on the 19th, we should be able to. | 01:15:14 | |
Finalize these changes and then give it a thumbs up. | 01:15:20 | |
I'll just do the 19th, it's pretty. | 01:15:24 | |
OK. Sounds good. Great. Thank you very much. | 01:15:33 | |
Thanks, John. This is a lot of work. It's been a lot of work. | 01:15:36 | |
I just undid all the work that you. | 01:15:40 | |
Well, no, it sounds like you made a change. | 01:15:44 | |
And I hope that not necessarily for me, but at least for the public to use existing structures. That's the idea. | 01:15:47 | |
They have all the existing infrastructure. Well, we don't want to put. I mean, if we can make a change like with your input, that | 01:15:54 | |
creates less. | 01:15:58 | |
Conflict. | 01:16:04 | |
Thank you then. | 01:16:05 | |
That's a good thing, right? Picturing justice at the counter, trying to negotiate a chart of reductions in percentage. | 01:16:08 | |
All right. I really appreciate it. Thanks, John. | 01:16:17 | |
OK. Next meeting is 19th and we'll have everybody here with tie, correct? | 01:16:36 | |
Hope you're doing something fun. | 01:16:41 | |
I want to see what it's like at four way stops if they're. | 01:16:43 | |
And I just have that to go all the way. | 01:16:51 | |
Maybe we can be switched? | 01:17:00 | |
Aye. | 01:17:12 |
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Any questions of the? | 00:00:04 | |
I don't. I mean, I'm happy to. | 00:00:11 | |
As long as we have that other issue cleared up, I'm fine with it. I just don't want to do any more of these things. Or we assume | 00:00:15 | |
somebody is going to do something and raise zone and then have the title, which is not the case here, but he's happy to talk to us | 00:00:19 | |
about. | 00:00:23 | |
Opportunities for moderate income housing options after the fact, which I think would be great, but. | 00:00:28 | |
For me, when I look at this in terms of the room and. | 00:00:34 | |
Ord. And where that parcel is. | 00:00:39 | |
Which is located kind of within an existing Ord zone and the fact that we text amended the zone to allow for multi family which I | 00:00:43 | |
think would probably be a good opportunity on this site because. | 00:00:49 | |
It is going to be touch the build. I just don't have any. I read the staff report to me it's. | 00:00:56 | |
I don't have any issues with it. I don't either. I visited the site, I'm familiar with the site. I biked past the site a number of | 00:01:05 | |
times. I drove up there the other day. | 00:01:09 | |
Given the slope on the east and the north, and even a fair amount of slope, you know, between those residences and that property, | 00:01:14 | |
it's fairly protected. | 00:01:20 | |
Not only by this slope, but also huge tree sands which I imagine are going to keep the tree stand. | 00:01:27 | |
I don't see that it really encroached. | 00:01:34 | |
Really at all on those residences significantly. | 00:01:38 | |
Yeah, and the only difference between. | 00:01:43 | |
This parcel being Ord and the rest of that whole Ord area is this one happens to dump out on Big Cut with Canyon Road and all the | 00:01:49 | |
other ones dumped out on Lyon Road or the other private road. That's really the only difference. | 00:01:56 | |
But the fact that it's so protected with slopes. | 00:02:04 | |
And I drove up the old Mill Circle Rd. | 00:02:09 | |
And tried to take it from the look at them from the perspective of those homes. | 00:02:13 | |
Because I want to treat those neighbors as if they were also holiday residents in terms of this issue. I don't want to take that | 00:02:18 | |
attitude, but so the gravel pit. | 00:02:23 | |
But I didn't feel like. | 00:02:32 | |
There was really much. | 00:02:36 | |
Going on there that there's a whole lot to complain about. | 00:02:40 | |
I just didn't feel like there's much to complain. Well, you know the other thing there is, at least in my mind. | 00:02:43 | |
Because of both sloping. One of those sloping issues. | 00:02:50 | |
I'm not sure you're ever going to get anything on that site with an RM zone because. | 00:02:55 | |
I don't think you'd be able to get enough density on there to make sense of it. Where? | 00:03:00 | |
And I don't think they'll be able to go to 75 feet anyway because of the setback. They're going to have the residential and then | 00:03:04 | |
they're, you know, the graduated height, but they can get enough massing on there. | 00:03:10 | |
If they can park it to make it economical and maybe they can do, maybe we would have an opportunity to do some affordability. | 00:03:17 | |
Coordination with them with some of our RDA funds. | 00:03:26 | |
I just don't want the rezone to be predicated on the fact that that's going to happen, right? | 00:03:30 | |
Primarily, I think that. | 00:03:37 | |
Biggest issue, we don't know how much we commit and. | 00:03:39 | |
If we do. | 00:03:42 | |
Yeah. Is this locked outside of the RDA? | 00:03:44 | |
Project area, yeah. | 00:03:48 | |
I think that was expired. Anyway, that one has expired. | 00:03:52 | |
I'm surprised I was told that about Chicago Hearts. | 00:04:02 | |
Maybe they decided it wasn't how big the NFL starts tonight. | 00:04:08 | |
Well, I don't know. I've done the same thing that Paul has driven over there. I looked around and I would agree with your | 00:04:14 | |
assessment. | 00:04:17 | |
100% that. | 00:04:22 | |
I do not predicate our decision based on this, but I would be interested. You mentioned earlier there are some. | 00:04:24 | |
Levers or incentives that we can do to help encourage some of these workforce housing options or combination, What are those? | 00:04:33 | |
Yeah. What are those tools that we do have? | 00:04:44 | |
Well, primarily their financial tools that are. | 00:04:48 | |
Somebody that come from various spots of funding from. | 00:04:51 | |
Specifically for. | 00:04:57 | |
So. | 00:05:02 | |
Would or would not offer anything. | 00:05:06 | |
We're looking for partners to qualify to partner with that they were interested in. | 00:05:09 | |
All right, just like I said that the leak that's affordable housing for two days straight, so. | 00:05:16 | |
Want to know what's available? One thing I thought there might be an opportunity. | 00:05:22 | |
If the traffic. | 00:05:27 | |
I can't imagine how many units in here would actually create much. | 00:05:29 | |
And additional traffic demand, but. | 00:05:33 | |
It's kind of a little. | 00:05:36 | |
Blind corner coming around here. That's primarily because of this overgrowth right here, which would probably go away. | 00:05:37 | |
But then right here is where you've got, it's one lane each way here, but it goes to two lanes right there. There might be an | 00:05:43 | |
opportunity. | 00:05:48 | |
To start that two lane. | 00:05:53 | |
Either here or even here at the border. | 00:05:55 | |
Something to consider, because right here you've got an orphan sidewalk segment that goes nowhere. | 00:05:59 | |
You got full sidewalk on this side. I mean, it ends right here and picks up again over here. But this is there's no sidewalk here. | 00:06:04 | |
They've got 1 here. | 00:06:09 | |
Well, it's kind of political on this side. Either you got on this side, you got this side. So this is kind of orphan and there is | 00:06:14 | |
some flat land right there. So there could be room to expand. We have a 2 lane piece that starts here and take it back to here or | 00:06:23 | |
here and then ameliorate some of this traffic coming here, the blind corner here, opportunity for some improvement. | 00:06:31 | |
Right there. | 00:06:40 | |
Yeah, if we get to the site time review, we can definitely keep that in mind as we look at off site. | 00:06:43 | |
But. | 00:06:52 | |
The developer will be putting in there. | 00:06:54 | |
So there wouldn't be anything. | 00:06:57 | |
At least that. | 00:07:01 | |
Select. | 00:07:04 | |
Is all that. | 00:07:07 | |
Hefty grammar. Just part of the Christian Church. | 00:07:09 | |
Yeah, they went all the way down. | 00:07:12 | |
That's all extremely slow. | 00:07:15 | |
Any idea how much higher that first house is on old mill circle elevation length? | 00:07:18 | |
Here, Yeah. | 00:07:23 | |
6070 feet. | 00:07:25 | |
Accentuated fairly frankly of any. | 00:07:29 | |
Of the two-story, you know. | 00:07:31 | |
Concerns and stuff like that. | 00:07:33 | |
That is going to be set back quite a ways from that hole too, if they get up to yeah, and you got a big tree stand there and it | 00:07:37 | |
also just has a natural slope there. | 00:07:41 | |
They have is the possibility of short term rentals. | 00:07:52 | |
And that was their concern with all of these. | 00:08:01 | |
But there's lots of hotel. | 00:08:06 | |
I know. | 00:08:08 | |
Yeah, it's really what it's your next door neighbor, right? So I'm, you know, I'm just. | 00:08:12 | |
OK, I. | 00:08:24 | |
Well, we'll post it for the 19th. | 00:08:27 | |
Thanks. | 00:08:31 | |
Gary Carrier wrote the staff. | 00:08:34 | |
OK. | 00:08:48 | |
This is just a. | 00:08:50 | |
Update on where we are at with our projects we are spending on our stormwater. | 00:08:52 | |
Bond. | 00:09:03 | |
We've got about a dozen different projects going on in the city and I wanted to. | 00:09:04 | |
Just report on each one individually, let you know the status of them. | 00:09:10 | |
As well as the budget, how much that budget has been spent and. | 00:09:16 | |
So forth. So I've provided a map here of the each project location and I've also provided a. | 00:09:20 | |
Spreadsheet cable listing each project and the status of the budget each project so. | 00:09:27 | |
I will first, I guess, start at the top of the map and work right down, and then I'll just kind of move into that table. | 00:09:36 | |
We have a project here on El Dorado Mass District is under construction right now and. | 00:09:44 | |
You're welcome. | 00:09:52 | |
Umm, it should be done in another couple of weeks. It was flooding out a couple of houses that were. | 00:09:54 | |
On Westwood there. | 00:10:04 | |
That's the right street, right? Northwood. Northwood. | 00:10:08 | |
So by constructing this project, we should be able to protect those houses. | 00:10:11 | |
Our next project, also Mass District is this house that we demoed last bought in demo last year on Holiday Blvd. Just a real quick | 00:10:19 | |
update on that. We are trying to work with the adjacent property owners we are expecting to receive a offer from. | 00:10:30 | |
An adjacent property owner for the purchase of that vacant parcel. Now that's something we will I'm sure, be updating the council | 00:10:42 | |
on. | 00:10:46 | |
Possibly in October or something. Presumably that person won't be able to build there, so they have to rebuy another answer. | 00:10:52 | |
They don't wanna build on it. We would be putting a cabinet over the majority of the site. We would probably be. | 00:11:01 | |
The upper portion of that property available for building well. | 00:11:09 | |
There have to be set back issues, but we probably would put that no build on the. | 00:11:15 | |
Elevated portion of the site. | 00:11:21 | |
We are also working through a couple of the logistics with the. | 00:11:24 | |
Money that was used to purchase it, which is ARPA funds if we sell. | 00:11:29 | |
That project, I think we had to reinvest that ARPA money back into. | 00:11:36 | |
I'm not 100% certain, but that's something that we're looking into. | 00:11:41 | |
That doesn't need to be made into micro retention pond or anything. | 00:11:49 | |
We do not have any plans on making it a retention fund. | 00:11:53 | |
What I'm getting at is if we sell it. | 00:11:57 | |
Can we protect ourselves from future liability at anytime? | 00:12:00 | |
We were working with. | 00:12:04 | |
Else Todd Gaffery on what language would be included in that sale and what gets recorded. It becomes a swimming pool. It's on | 00:12:07 | |
them, yes. | 00:12:11 | |
Next also Matt district we had a hobbies. | 00:12:20 | |
Area that was frequent over on Wellington we. | 00:12:25 | |
Stop. You guys can figure out. | 00:12:34 | |
Is that your fault? | 00:12:39 | |
We had a ponding spot there that we fixed. A what? Bonding like drainage there just didn't work. There was something that was | 00:12:47 | |
pretty healthy and we spent a bunch of money making it right. | 00:12:53 | |
Umm, we also did some. | 00:13:01 | |
Overt rehabilitation on the canal here across the Murray Holiday Rd. That's 100% down. This is Wellington storm drains 100% done. | 00:13:06 | |
We are in the works. This is not under our storm drain. | 00:13:18 | |
On, but I thought I would throw it in here. It's under our roadway. Bond is a bridge deck replacement. | 00:13:22 | |
On Highland Circle, actually this Murray holiday over rehabilitation is also part of our bridge fund under the roadway but. | 00:13:30 | |
So I'm just tossing those in there is. | 00:13:41 | |
Site projects that you might be interested in. | 00:13:43 | |
Our Metamorphose 1 project is under construction. | 00:13:48 | |
It's a. | 00:13:54 | |
It's one of our biggest projects that we're doing in the city and. | 00:13:58 | |
We are really happy with the contractor that's been working out there. It was a slow start. They had a lot of conflicts to deal | 00:14:03 | |
with. But once they got those underground utilities out of the way, they've been making pretty steady progress and we are | 00:14:09 | |
expecting that that project would be complete at the end of the month. | 00:14:16 | |
At the end of this month. | 00:14:24 | |
Yeah, the first party over there. | 00:14:25 | |
There'll probably be some touch ups that would go on in October, but for the most part it will be done by the end of this month. | 00:14:29 | |
That's Phase 1 of what we're calling metamor. Phase 2 is through Salt Lake City property. We're calling that Metamorphase 2. | 00:14:38 | |
And this is all part of the storm drain system, same storm drain system like all this here connects up to that there. | 00:14:50 | |
So this is the second portion where we're having big problems. In fact, I've provided a photo of this storm drain on page 2 if you | 00:14:59 | |
want to scan. | 00:15:04 | |
Our city. | 00:15:10 | |
It is outside the city. | 00:15:10 | |
And nobody wants. | 00:15:13 | |
It's something that has been in our. | 00:15:17 | |
Capital plan Stormwater master planning for years. | 00:15:20 | |
It's. | 00:15:26 | |
In Mill Creek. But they don't want anything to do with it. It backs up and it floods our residents. | 00:15:30 | |
And it's our water that is dragging into this area. No one drop of milk creeks water actually gets into it. | 00:15:36 | |
It's a 48 inch pipe. | 00:15:45 | |
So. | 00:15:50 | |
This is all root mass here and root mass here. | 00:15:51 | |
And it's. | 00:15:56 | |
Grown into this storm drain pipe and blocking I think over 90% of it. | 00:15:58 | |
So we. | 00:16:05 | |
This pipe was constructed with. | 00:16:10 | |
It's an interesting. | 00:16:13 | |
Techniques as well. There's no way to rehabilitate this system. Like, no way. | 00:16:15 | |
The only option is replace this pipe, so that's what we're going to do. | 00:16:21 | |
For those of you that have been on the Council for a long time. | 00:16:27 | |
Yeah. | 00:16:33 | |
So. | 00:16:42 | |
So it means replacement is the only thing you can really do. | 00:16:44 | |
Yeah, you know, when I started looking at this 5-6 years ago, I thought, oh, we could get in there and get these roots out and | 00:16:47 | |
make this thing functional again. | 00:16:52 | |
I get that idea a long time ago after I looked into it a lot closer, but this is across 13 piece then to the north of Saint | 00:16:59 | |
Vincents. Sorry. | 00:17:04 | |
So Salt Lake City owns a piece of property there that they use as a yard and but mostly for pumping groundwater. So it's very high | 00:17:12 | |
groundwater cable there. It's an aquifer with artesian wells on it. | 00:17:20 | |
And as far as north-south of Saint Vincent, I think the West. | 00:17:28 | |
Yeah, Westville, so north. | 00:17:35 | |
I mean this piece of the West of. | 00:17:39 | |
That side of our prop is this sort of outside of our property line. Yeah, yeah. So West of 13, just South of Murray Holiday Rd. | 00:17:42 | |
Right. So N the same base, yeah. | 00:17:51 | |
Between there. | 00:17:54 | |
So if you want to go back to a map. So would it be fair to say then that? | 00:17:56 | |
The big piece of pace flow we're doing, we'll jump into that storm grade it is. So if we don't, if we don't correct that, Mill | 00:18:04 | |
Creek won't correct it. It's going to keep backing up. Yeah, even if we put in new infrastructure. So even this spring, we've had | 00:18:10 | |
three flooded basements. | 00:18:16 | |
On. | 00:18:23 | |
Rebecca Circle. | 00:18:26 | |
Convinced them all to. | 00:18:28 | |
But yes, if we don't do anything, we continue our problems. | 00:18:36 | |
Let me back up. We have one house that actually had water, and we had two houses that were very close. | 00:18:42 | |
To heavy watering. | 00:18:48 | |
So that's that project a little more phase two, AKA the jungle. | 00:18:53 | |
Umm, now we've got 2. | 00:18:59 | |
Big projects under construction that will be done by the end of the month as well. In fact, I think Castle Lane might be done as. | 00:19:02 | |
Nearly done by the end of next week. | 00:19:12 | |
It's been under construction for two months. | 00:19:16 | |
We're cheering over here. Yeah, I. | 00:19:20 | |
On the lane. | 00:19:24 | |
Come this winter we will be replacing the bridge across the canal there as well, so that'll start construction. | 00:19:27 | |
In November, likely. | 00:19:34 | |
Hilton is also under construction that should that will be done by the end of the month. | 00:19:40 | |
They are just into this upper portion on that dead end. | 00:19:49 | |
Cottonwood Lane Storm Grain started yesterday. | 00:19:54 | |
And that will continue. | 00:20:01 | |
Likely into early November. They might be able to finish by the end of October. | 00:20:05 | |
Does that address? | 00:20:12 | |
Does Caso and Cottonwood address the? | 00:20:15 | |
Awareness issues or is that? Yes, yes, all three of these projects were actually needed to do that. | 00:20:19 | |
Still and then the apps as well I guess. | 00:20:30 | |
Yeah. | 00:20:37 | |
Yeah, right at the bottom of the hill, essentially. Is that right? | 00:20:38 | |
On Cottonwood, yeah, it dumps into the Kotlin treatment on the Northside. On the Northside, it goes up to that property. | 00:20:41 | |
There's catch basins on. | 00:20:49 | |
You know, potentially in the future we might want to extend that further. | 00:20:56 | |
North but. | 00:21:00 | |
That would be more of a long term storm drain. | 00:21:02 | |
Put into a more long term storm drain faster plan. | 00:21:06 | |
Update umm. | 00:21:12 | |
Down here on Holiday Blvd. We constructed a storm drain that was essentially a bubble up that was discharging a lot of storm water | 00:21:17 | |
into the front of the Carmel Monastery, flowing over land, getting into their shed and other buildings. | 00:21:27 | |
Destroying their grass and everything. So we constructed a storm drain through their property to their back where that water can | 00:21:38 | |
then make this way too big Copper Creek. | 00:21:43 | |
Umm. | 00:21:49 | |
Over here we have another bridge replacement project that bid closed today. | 00:21:52 | |
That one, we are receiving grant money. | 00:21:57 | |
For that replacement. | 00:22:01 | |
That's not a bond project at all, but it is a project that will be starting. | 00:22:03 | |
In November we'll have some Rd. closures. | 00:22:11 | |
On 5600 S we will be noticing on that project. | 00:22:16 | |
Umm. | 00:22:23 | |
Moving South? | 00:22:27 | |
Will be starting a. | 00:22:29 | |
Project on the Tanner Ditch where the ditch is open. | 00:22:32 | |
And it's problematic because it collects leaves and needles and it's going through properties and they don't make it. | 00:22:38 | |
Backs up in clause and it has caused flooding. | 00:22:48 | |
We have a pre construction meeting on that tomorrow, so that project will be complete. We would expect that end of September, | 00:22:53 | |
maybe middle of October. | 00:22:58 | |
We've done some. | 00:23:04 | |
Upgrades over on Sonoma Drive to minimize or to better capture the storm water coming onto Sonoma Drive and get it over into the | 00:23:07 | |
canal. And in addition to that, we built the storm drain on 2300 E 100% done to minimize storm water going over to Sonoma. | 00:23:18 | |
So those two projects have. | 00:23:31 | |
Your community, I mean, you've had some pretty heavy rainfalls a couple weeks ago. | 00:23:36 | |
It'll make nothing. It's been great. OK, good. | 00:23:41 | |
Promising it's completely eliminated for all storms, but I think you'll see that lake reappear very infrequently. | 00:23:46 | |
We're very happy. | 00:23:55 | |
So what are all these projects costing and what are the statuses? | 00:23:57 | |
These are their budgets. | 00:24:03 | |
So we've got. | 00:24:06 | |
Five of them complete. | 00:24:10 | |
And then we've got another. | 00:24:13 | |
Or going to be done by the end of this month and then we're still. | 00:24:16 | |
A few that were starting. | 00:24:22 | |
One of the things that's not on the map is our. | 00:24:25 | |
Rehabilitation of our existing corrugated metal pipes. | 00:24:30 | |
That are used for storm grains. So those are the rusting pipes that are failing. They're they're corroded, they're causing | 00:24:35 | |
sinkholes. | 00:24:40 | |
So we are going in with liners and putting a new fiberglass liner inside of those pipes and stabilizing them to rehabilitate them. | 00:24:46 | |
That's a $2.5 million project. We're only we're less, a little less than 5%. | 00:24:56 | |
That is actually done because they're still going through those packs that are going to be lined. Clean them. | 00:25:03 | |
Before they put liners in. | 00:25:11 | |
That project will supposed to be done by the end of the year. I think that. | 00:25:13 | |
Extended to the new year. | 00:25:20 | |
Probably a month maybe, but that money is all committed. I mean, you know where those liners are all going. And we do, yeah. | 00:25:22 | |
So that I would say takes care of. | 00:25:31 | |
78th percent of our. | 00:25:35 | |
Corrugated metal pipe issues. | 00:25:39 | |
So I could see maybe the next few years that we would. | 00:25:46 | |
Maybe look at finding some money. | 00:25:51 | |
Continue to do more of those. | 00:25:55 | |
Pretty much taps out our bond, proceeds. | 00:26:00 | |
This stuff, Yeah. That's it, yeah. | 00:26:03 | |
Can you remind us? | 00:26:06 | |
We've got our stormwater fee in place and I want to say. | 00:26:09 | |
I want to say that I remember it made about $1,000,000 a year. | 00:26:14 | |
And are bonded about 700,000. So we still are. We still have. | 00:26:19 | |
300,000 a year. | 00:26:24 | |
Or so of money fish because we pay a portion of both Joe and Jerry get paid out of that fund. So let's say that's 8000 ish between | 00:26:26 | |
the two of them. | 00:26:32 | |
So we've got a little more. | 00:26:41 | |
To spend. | 00:26:43 | |
But I don't know if it council will remember, but. | 00:26:45 | |
When we did our financial sustainability plan. | 00:26:51 | |
Our consultant recommended that this is something we look at. | 00:26:55 | |
Or stormwater fee, as is what? | 00:27:01 | |
Yeah, we'll get this done by the time we get done. Essentially what you're saying is. | 00:27:10 | |
There's not. | 00:27:14 | |
A material amount of funds available on an annual basis for ongoing maintenance so that work may be where a future council wants | 00:27:16 | |
to look at. | 00:27:21 | |
Remember that and say the. | 00:27:27 | |
ERU is like 650 and their recommendation is like $290.00 or something four or five years. So you get. | 00:27:30 | |
Four or $500,000 a year money you can use to maintain your store price. Exactly. My view is that this is not the kind of thing | 00:27:38 | |
that should be bonded for except when we get ourselves in a hole. But they're going forward. What you bond for is like buildings | 00:27:45 | |
and opportunity to buy parks that for regular. This is regular maintenance. This should be annual budget. There should be. | 00:27:53 | |
Funds allocated annually as opposed to. | 00:28:01 | |
Deferred bank is deferred bank is deferred Venice and a whammo you got to do a big bond and as the survey. | 00:28:05 | |
It's on your electric. | 00:28:13 | |
Yeah, because we don't have a building, partners are rocking up power Flex. If they charge us a fee, you'll see if you look at | 00:28:15 | |
your power bill, you'll see. This is when we have the state area that has a different rate. | 00:28:21 | |
Plan of how to improve this. | 00:28:37 | |
Along Lake Holloway and. | 00:28:39 | |
Holly Blvd. | 00:28:43 | |
So we did. | 00:28:44 | |
You just the question, is there a way to protect that property or is there still there's still some concerns in that area? | 00:28:46 | |
So none of those we don't have a great solution to. | 00:28:59 | |
Committee day on the storm issues in that area at the current. | 00:29:09 | |
Which is why we want to have you, because that was the cheaper solution it was. We do know that there are ongoing issues there, | 00:29:13 | |
however. | 00:29:18 | |
We haven't put it into the bond projects and it would be something that we would study. | 00:29:24 | |
In the future, maybe this is a gross oversimplification, but essentially we bought us. | 00:29:32 | |
But we don't have good routing to it to keep the flood. | 00:29:41 | |
Talking about. | 00:29:45 | |
Right. Yeah. And that would be very costly to improve the. | 00:29:46 | |
The drainage stood off the body Blvd. Yeah, and I think that might be referring to just other drainage in the area outside of the | 00:29:50 | |
goalie. Or are you only referring to that goalie? I think when there's a big story coming down Hallway and down Holiday Blvd. | 00:30:00 | |
Lesson Longview. | 00:30:10 | |
And I think it all sort of ends there for. | 00:30:14 | |
Yes, it goes up and over Holly Blvd. and kind of gathers and collects down and goes through those people's yards that are just on | 00:30:17 | |
the left side of Hollywood, right? | 00:30:21 | |
Yeah, we don't have any other houses that are under threat of flooding there, but we do have this kind of storm water going | 00:30:26 | |
wherever it wants to. | 00:30:31 | |
One question on the while we're on the topic back on the stormwater fund though. So in an ideal scenario we would have. | 00:30:47 | |
That money that we collect from the stormwater fund, stormwater. | 00:30:53 | |
Fee sustaining our ongoing maintenance and sufficient to handle it and we think that that budget number should be what. | 00:30:59 | |
And that's a great question. I think we're going to need to update our. | 00:31:10 | |
We've really made a ton of progress. | 00:31:17 | |
But my recollection is somewhere in the errors that the. | 00:31:20 | |
Four or five years ago. | 00:31:24 | |
Yes, I, I, I remember that we went through that and they, they basically went. | 00:31:31 | |
So 50% more than this right now, yeah. They basically said, you know, this will get you your bonding and it'll allow you to. | 00:31:37 | |
To make these critical. | 00:31:45 | |
Infrastructure improvements. | 00:31:48 | |
Pulsing pulse absolutely right that you shouldn't be bonding for this stuff. We should have enough annual income coming into | 00:31:51 | |
properly maintain what we've got. So I think the question would be. | 00:31:57 | |
Is is there a way to quantify that which is? I think they did said look, you need. | 00:32:03 | |
You really should be spending $1,000,000 a year if you want whatever that number is, and so your fee should be this and. | 00:32:08 | |
That was about the time we should be looking at that and. | 00:32:15 | |
Once this gets in I think. | 00:32:19 | |
Our Council. | 00:32:21 | |
What do we think is a proper amount of money to generate to responsibly maintain what we have? | 00:32:23 | |
And based on that. | 00:32:30 | |
What? What should the proper fee be? I can tell you from. | 00:32:33 | |
A little bit of higher storm water fee is really, really low. | 00:32:38 | |
And not like that, but this, that fee would be one that really should be adjusted with inflation over time as well. Just because | 00:32:42 | |
that maintenance doesn't doesn't get cheaper, right? | 00:32:46 | |
No. | 00:32:54 | |
So. | 00:33:00 | |
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that should be. | 00:33:04 | |
Something. | 00:33:06 | |
That's all going to be done. It looks like in the April May time frame. That would be a great time maybe next budget season to | 00:33:08 | |
look at, you know, okay, let's, let's pull that back up. Let's look at what they said. Let's reevaluate what we've done and start | 00:33:13 | |
talking about. | 00:33:18 | |
What a proper storm rate fee should be. | 00:33:23 | |
I like that because it provides transparency to residents. This is the hospital and it goes to a specific function. It doesn't go | 00:33:27 | |
away with general pool so. | 00:33:31 | |
But this is a big deal. Well done. | 00:33:36 | |
Just one other comment again, while we're on the topic with this Oiler property and the how much buildable area is there to the | 00:33:39 | |
higher elevation? | 00:33:42 | |
I think it's like. | 00:33:46 | |
25 feet from the property line. So not enough for a residential No. I think the neighbor was trying to maybe carve off this strict | 00:33:48 | |
building. Garage back there, but pool house? | 00:33:54 | |
Some lot line adjustments and things like that, so. | 00:34:02 | |
So if a person brought in Phil. | 00:34:09 | |
And to get to keep the elevation up, though mostly I'm just thinking because 900 grand or something like that for that. | 00:34:12 | |
Chunk of money and I just want to maximize the value for the city's sake right If we if there was some course where we're | 00:34:18 | |
protected from the risks that we bought it for right but then and so if neighbors are going to get together and offer us 25 grand | 00:34:25 | |
or 50 grand or something for that property. I would say before bringing that to us maybe you all feel differently but I would say | 00:34:31 | |
let's at least look at. | 00:34:38 | |
If there's other possibilities that could get us more like what a buildable lot would be, which might be with 400%. | 00:34:45 | |
OK. | 00:34:53 | |
How far do you want us to go? | 00:34:59 | |
With that. | 00:35:02 | |
I don't spend a lot of time on it, but at least look at it and if it's possible and. | 00:35:06 | |
Then. | 00:35:12 | |
If there's a difference, potentially 350 or four, $50,000. | 00:35:16 | |
Again, what's the single family residence? I mean, we could probably turn it into a buildable lot if that's the City Council is | 00:35:21 | |
directing us to do. It would cost money. | 00:35:27 | |
By bringing in some fill. | 00:35:33 | |
Also, you want to make sure, does that mean the limit of our liability? I don't want more liability, but well, I think. | 00:35:37 | |
From an engineering perspective, it is feasible. From a zoning perspective and. | 00:35:47 | |
It is 3 lots. It's at 2 lots. In front of it there's. | 00:35:53 | |
And parking has always been issued back there so. | 00:35:59 | |
I think it depends on, I think if somebody is going to make an offer, maybe you want to see what the offer is. And I think so we | 00:36:03 | |
did get a. | 00:36:08 | |
Appraisal done on it and the appraisal. | 00:36:13 | |
So we have given the appraisal to. | 00:36:22 | |
Adjacent property owners, that was. | 00:36:25 | |
So that would be an issue where once we got the closed session and say, OK, and then I see what you're saying that Ty is we want | 00:36:29 | |
to do the best we can for a residence and it's certainly something we can at least have a conversation about. And then. | 00:36:37 | |
Yeah, OK, cool. | 00:36:45 | |
Yeah, I agree with Paul though. | 00:36:48 | |
Yeah, that's a lot of, that's a lot of work to get to this point where it's. | 00:36:51 | |
Like half of it's done and half of it's on the road to be done by say, end of April. | 00:36:57 | |
We spent two years planning many of these projects and. | 00:37:04 | |
And we're in the construction review. So sorry. One other thing while we're on topic too, RJ Gordon and company, I don't know if | 00:37:07 | |
you're familiar with them or not, they're a holiday resident that have a really innovative new business that they're going to ask | 00:37:13 | |
me to sell these all over where they have like some Lidar scanning system about a year ago. | 00:37:18 | |
I gave him some data. | 00:37:26 | |
And I haven't heard back from them. OK. I just want to make sure that you that the connection was there. And yeah, they're doing | 00:37:28 | |
well. | 00:37:32 | |
Some of you were aware of them, yeah. They asked us if you R&D were using our storm grade system. | 00:37:37 | |
So I don't know. | 00:37:44 | |
From that R&D? | 00:37:46 | |
Yeah, OK, great. | 00:37:48 | |
I was hoping to hear back from I can make that happen. | 00:37:49 | |
OK. | 00:37:53 | |
All right. Thanks, Jared. So finally is the Adu thing. So the Adu things in AD is in the packet. | 00:37:55 | |
Steve and I are talking about this earlier, trying to jump our own memories about. | 00:38:04 | |
How far you've got, but I think John and the staff did a pretty good job of. | 00:38:09 | |
Restating. | 00:38:14 | |
The issues that we are going to work on and. | 00:38:16 | |
I think what we do is just start going through them and. | 00:38:19 | |
See how many get a thumbs up and how many we still have work to do. | 00:38:22 | |
You know, it's like I said, I don't. I'd love to get it done, but I think it's more important that we get it right and get it | 00:38:27 | |
done. | 00:38:30 | |
I think once this is done. | 00:38:34 | |
We're going to start seeing you're going to speak with you. Well, so we want to be comfortable that we've got the ordinance in | 00:38:36 | |
place, we want to have in place. So I'll let you just take it from there, start walking us through it, okay? | 00:38:43 | |
So I'll start with the staff report and talk about where we left off in Maple May. | 00:38:52 | |
Have been feeling really good about the council. Was was OK with the amendments that came from 5:00. | 00:39:00 | |
Sort of what we left open-ended. | 00:39:06 | |
Kind of over on the fence about. | 00:39:09 | |
Specifically. | 00:39:13 | |
Obviously we have some state code that requires these amendments. | 00:39:16 | |
What we wanted to do is expand and clarify owner occupied. | 00:39:19 | |
Parking requirements were tied to parking standards for the bedroom that was added outside of was already existing. | 00:39:29 | |
No real minimum lot size for. | 00:39:40 | |
At an Adu that has either. | 00:39:43 | |
If it's interior to the property. | 00:39:47 | |
Yeah. | 00:39:50 | |
No special consideration for corner lots or double fronting lots. The idea there was. | 00:39:53 | |
Regardless of what lot size you had if you were a corner. | 00:39:59 | |
You could detach that unit from the house. | 00:40:02 | |
That was an idea, but. | 00:40:05 | |
Specific scenario. | 00:40:08 | |
New language for additional height 5 feet over what was normally allowed for detached. | 00:40:13 | |
So 25 feet rather than 20. | 00:40:19 | |
For. | 00:40:22 | |
That allows for some upstairs. | 00:40:23 | |
Loft height. | 00:40:26 | |
For. | 00:40:28 | |
Sitting above a garage. | 00:40:29 | |
Removal of this idea of ground level only living space. | 00:40:33 | |
The structures within a set back were primary. | 00:40:39 | |
I think that was definitely a good movie. | 00:40:44 | |
Removal of graduated height standard that was amended by the Planning Commission to be. | 00:40:47 | |
26 feet. So if you're imaginary standing at the property line, you have this 6 foot. | 00:40:52 | |
Height at a 45° angle that goes in toward the property. | 00:40:58 | |
The mass of that building have to be below that height. | 00:41:03 | |
Set 6 foot height is not used in the ordinance anywhere rather than 8 feet. | 00:41:07 | |
So I think that the council made a good move on keeping that at 8 feet, and it was studied pretty extensively. When that witness | 00:41:15 | |
was created, it wasn't really necessary an arbitrary number. | 00:41:20 | |
And allows for that second level to begin over. Like if you have a garage, you have a kind of a taller door height for your garage | 00:41:26 | |
door header. | 00:41:31 | |
When you want to get into an upstairs loft situation, this number comes into play and it's extremely important to make that work. | 00:41:36 | |
When you start reducing that, it limits the height that ceiling height. It's usable upstairs. | 00:41:43 | |
Compliant with lot coverage maximums. | 00:41:53 | |
And that was something that. | 00:41:56 | |
Rear yards can be covered with more than a certain percentage of structures that remained in the code. | 00:41:59 | |
Is that a percentage? | 00:42:08 | |
25%. | 00:42:10 | |
Covered with. | 00:42:14 | |
And then removal of this idea of restricting windows. | 00:42:18 | |
That was direct conflict with. | 00:42:24 | |
Egress issues with. | 00:42:27 | |
So there has to be with open. | 00:42:31 | |
So that brings us to the next section of where we. | 00:42:35 | |
Primarily made the majority of the adjustments as per council meeting. Now in my copy, hopefully on the screen you can see the | 00:42:39 | |
difference between purple and fuchsia. | 00:42:44 | |
My eyes suddenly seemed that well, so I don't care with me. | 00:42:49 | |
As you go through these, we tried to pick yeah, I guess you can see them there. | 00:42:54 | |
Anyway. | 00:43:02 | |
So to start off here, temporary absence was added in this line. | 00:43:04 | |
We had some, we had some. | 00:43:17 | |
Redundant language in one of these we just removed. | 00:43:19 | |
Owner can't live in advance because of the modified temporary absence of three years for temporary absence. | 00:43:24 | |
We just cleaned that up. | 00:43:30 | |
In that situation, the idea here was you want to have a situation where we don't get into. | 00:43:33 | |
Medical issues. | 00:43:41 | |
The property owners confirm the medical issue and have medical absence. That's something that we didn't want to touch. | 00:43:43 | |
So if it's modified leave of absence for a 36 years or three years, they still have that. | 00:43:49 | |
Order occupied criteria that replace the property. | 00:43:56 | |
Umm, discussion on being designated in a manner that's compatible with the neighborhood residential vernacular. | 00:44:06 | |
This idea floats around a lot of zoning codes that you have construction of. | 00:44:12 | |
Pretty much anything. | 00:44:17 | |
This idea of has to match its neighborhood. | 00:44:19 | |
And that's so arbitrary it could be argued. | 00:44:22 | |
At what is the neighborhood holiday? | 00:44:25 | |
For some light Mr. Goofy looking things that are each others up. I don't know how you and honestly the nature of a detached into | 00:44:30 | |
you lately, especially if you're following anything on Instagram or social media. | 00:44:36 | |
It doesn't look like a pure legitimate house. It's usually very modern. | 00:44:44 | |
Not have pitched roofs, that type of thing so. | 00:44:50 | |
Very difficult to say that it has to follow some sort of architectural standard. Well, it seems like when people like raise the | 00:44:53 | |
property and then rebuild, they're not held to some neighborhood vernacular standards, so. | 00:44:59 | |
My house. | 00:45:08 | |
So we're just checking that out. | 00:45:11 | |
Now on to sort of the meat and potatoes of what we were talking about. | 00:45:16 | |
Last. | 00:45:20 | |
Setbacks. | 00:45:23 | |
The concern here revolved around the Planning Commission's recommendation that. | 00:45:24 | |
A 10 foot set back was required for all accessory loan years. | 00:45:31 | |
Seth kind of bristled at this situation because. | 00:45:35 | |
It doesn't really provide equal protection for whether you're building a garage or any garage has smaller setbacks. It could be | 00:45:40 | |
shoved into the corner of your backyard. | 00:45:45 | |
But if you're proposing to you, it need to be pulled off. | 00:45:51 | |
Simple distance. | 00:45:54 | |
10 feet or so into the backyard. | 00:45:56 | |
This eventually would turn into. | 00:46:00 | |
From Sap's point of view and enforcement. | 00:46:02 | |
One day it's permitted for us and. | 00:46:06 | |
In the next 5 to six months. | 00:46:08 | |
However. | 00:46:13 | |
What the City Council or the council was looking at. | 00:46:15 | |
Specifically with context and some exceptions. | 00:46:20 | |
A reduction of that distance. | 00:46:24 | |
If your property is next to a canal, your property is next to a big parking lot to a commercial building. | 00:46:27 | |
Those situations can reduce that 10 foot number down. | 00:46:33 | |
To up into whatever the accessory accessory building set back is. | 00:46:38 | |
So. | 00:46:44 | |
In the chart, maybe Sydney? | 00:46:47 | |
Scroll down a little bit. | 00:46:50 | |
We get to it before. These are the context or the treatment elements. | 00:46:52 | |
That could be proposed to reduce your set back by a percentage. | 00:46:58 | |
These numbers are what we just came up with. | 00:47:03 | |
We can talk about these later and if I want to talk about these one-on-one with me, we'll be happy to. | 00:47:06 | |
This is what we. | 00:47:13 | |
Kind of foresaw as what could possibly be the potential acceptable reduction in that impact? | 00:47:15 | |
So if you agree to have with your neighbor Nicholas masonry wall, you can reduce that template by 50%. | 00:47:23 | |
8 down, 4 feet or so. | 00:47:30 | |
That fourth line item. | 00:47:34 | |
Immediately adjacent to the existing accessory building on the neighboring property. | 00:47:37 | |
Does that presume that's not an accessory dwelling building? | 00:47:41 | |
Not necessarily. | 00:47:45 | |
So they get to be. | 00:47:47 | |
Yeah, kissing cousin 80 used there. | 00:47:49 | |
And also it probably needs to be clarified too, immediately adjacent to the. | 00:47:52 | |
But the idea is that. | 00:47:58 | |
If one building is set back at 3 feet, do you also get 3 feet? Or if they have a non conforming building and they're at 1 foot set | 00:48:01 | |
back? | 00:48:05 | |
I don't think we're comfortable with that. | 00:48:10 | |
Difference, but at least 80% is allowed to reduce that 10 foot number down if there's. | 00:48:13 | |
You can go down to two feet. | 00:48:21 | |
80% off. | 00:48:23 | |
Yeah, there's, there's some, there's some exceptions in here that says you can't go any closer than what the accessory building | 00:48:25 | |
set back is. | 00:48:29 | |
Usually that hovers around three to five feet. | 00:48:34 | |
Right, right. And so I thought that that certainly makes sense. Well. | 00:48:38 | |
Let's say someone is complying with the whatever, it's 10 foot rule. | 00:48:45 | |
First neighbor does the 10 foot rule 81 Adu back there, but that's an accessory building. So this guy comes along and he can cheat | 00:48:50 | |
because this guys. | 00:48:56 | |
Further complied and further. | 00:49:02 | |
I think that makes sense if it's not an Adu. | 00:49:05 | |
Just the accessory building that's a garage or a ship that who cares? | 00:49:09 | |
But like one guys got Adu back there. | 00:49:13 | |
And the second guy gets an advantage, which I think could cause some conflict, yeah. | 00:49:19 | |
Umm, only I mean I like the idea that other than if it's an Adu. | 00:49:26 | |
How is that different than the third from the bottom? Coordination with a budding property owner to build adjacent 80 years. | 00:49:31 | |
So if you had one or more neighbors that still had the same idea. | 00:49:38 | |
But that really doesn't exist yet. So instead of this is a pre-existing situation. If they didn't have one we all want to do. | 00:49:43 | |
And we're all and we're OK with it. We can all have the three foot set back and I'll get clustered. OK, so. | 00:49:53 | |
That doesn't mean no set back. That means no that that removes it down to all the way down to what the required set back would be | 00:50:01 | |
for an accessory. So if you're just the building garage. | 00:50:06 | |
You could take it all the way down to the five foot from the 4th. | 00:50:12 | |
Whatever. | 00:50:15 | |
So your lot size gets larger that set back. | 00:50:18 | |
This is all considering if you're building a new ad's. | 00:50:23 | |
A new one comes in. 10 foot is the set back. | 00:50:28 | |
Unless you want to reduce it by using some of these. | 00:50:31 | |
Hey, Joe, just a minor thing. If we go back to line 65. | 00:50:41 | |
Like it looks like C paragraph 2 has been deleted. | 00:50:56 | |
So should that transition to 2-3 I mean. | 00:51:04 | |
01 to two, yeah, just yes, yeah. | 00:51:08 | |
A number in it In it. | 00:51:17 | |
No, that actually references that this language that's used in the chart no closer than. | 00:51:33 | |
Here's the reference of the title of the column in the chart. | 00:51:40 | |
Not this one, but. | 00:51:46 | |
I think it's previous. It's up above. | 00:51:48 | |
So this. | 00:51:52 | |
Mitigating. | 00:51:56 | |
Treatment. | 00:51:59 | |
What are the mitigating window treatments? | 00:52:01 | |
Umm. | 00:52:15 | |
So what we were trying to figure out what architectural. | 00:52:18 | |
Trends are being used to buffer when there's. | 00:52:29 | |
Close impact in every property. So we were looking at is some American Institute of Architecture. | 00:52:33 | |
Design styles. | 00:52:39 | |
And they were using muted color tones and palettes. | 00:52:41 | |
Things that would not be so drastic like white cut painted brick. | 00:52:46 | |
Things like that, That's what we use, Buddhist color choice in there. | 00:52:51 | |
The problem with all of these elements is this is a ongoing enforcement for. | 00:52:57 | |
The neighbor is saying, well yeah, they painted it and muted. | 00:53:03 | |
Ground so it kind of blends into whatever landscape they put in there. But now the next neighbor came back and. | 00:53:06 | |
So. | 00:53:15 | |
Window treatments is essentially a tinted situation. | 00:53:20 | |
I might want to just take the color choice off. | 00:53:29 | |
And if you have any other ideas, So what we're trying. | 00:53:39 | |
Sort of figure out what what would be a business for an aid you really close to the property. | 00:53:44 | |
Sometimes it's complaining the colors, sometimes the architecture itself. | 00:53:51 | |
I'm wondering. | 00:53:58 | |
You can somehow in the design it would be very site specific I think. But if there's an issue where like one window is exactly | 00:54:00 | |
aligned with your neighbors window to like. | 00:54:05 | |
Offset that I don't know. | 00:54:12 | |
Because that's, that's the thing that I noticed like out in Daybreak where they're like that. There's some properties that you can | 00:54:14 | |
just see right through. | 00:54:18 | |
And the windows are exactly alike, so that's just. | 00:54:24 | |
Yeah. And that's kind of why we ranked it so low. | 00:54:28 | |
It's not something that's. | 00:54:31 | |
That that happens on. | 00:54:37 | |
Lower levels. | 00:54:38 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 00:54:40 | |
And that might not be even something that could be feasibly. | 00:54:49 | |
Enforceable at all? | 00:54:52 | |
Simply an idea. | 00:54:56 | |
Well, in fact, it's listed on the. | 00:55:01 | |
List of mitigated mitigated choices doesn't necessarily mean after. | 00:55:05 | |
Except that they're both. | 00:55:09 | |
So this chart would reply to. | 00:55:18 | |
Obviously anything that would be newly proposed new construction and they wanted to reduce that 10 foot. | 00:55:21 | |
Provides a negative factor. | 00:55:28 | |
So that family that had this son that needed to live. | 00:55:31 | |
On their property. | 00:55:35 | |
To the original time wouldn't work. | 00:55:37 | |
That they have those mature trees that would block. | 00:55:40 | |
Am I remembering this right? Wasn't that where it was up against? | 00:55:43 | |
Yeah, the Creek or the world was it like. | 00:55:48 | |
Express or something like that. Yeah, I think there was something like that it was up against. | 00:55:52 | |
And there was a mature tree. So this would these kind of things would help them hopefully address that. | 00:55:58 | |
I really do like. | 00:56:04 | |
These options to provide context specific guidance. | 00:56:06 | |
So these are sort of the exceptions and what would have to be built into the application before that. | 00:56:15 | |
And then the next element would have been. | 00:56:24 | |
Well, what do we do with existing buildings? | 00:56:27 | |
They don't have anywhere near. | 00:56:30 | |
This required set. | 00:56:32 | |
And. | 00:56:36 | |
We understood from the Council that. | 00:56:37 | |
This is on the. We were, everybody was on the. | 00:56:40 | |
Could you convert an existing garage into an accessory? | 00:56:45 | |
Accessory unit. | 00:56:48 | |
Like a lot of your neighborhoods have two to three foot garages that were built in the 60s. | 00:56:50 | |
Back the property. | 00:56:57 | |
So some of the situations that we were coming up with was this idea of. | 00:57:00 | |
In line additions if they needed to expand it. | 00:57:06 | |
They would all be able to expand the nonconforming set back up to 50% of what was there. | 00:57:10 | |
Before they have to come into compliance and add on to it at the 10 foot. | 00:57:15 | |
The graduated height would still comply. Usually that wouldn't get you a second level over the existing. | 00:57:21 | |
And then I think we had under here. | 00:57:30 | |
The idea that, well, if you have a garage in the basement level is your Adu. | 00:57:35 | |
Than the template set back you have this 100 foot. | 00:57:41 | |
Reduction. | 00:57:47 | |
When you're below level like you got over here. | 00:57:48 | |
Which is which is a valid. I mean it's a valid. | 00:57:56 | |
No. | 00:58:06 | |
This is why laws are so. | 00:58:08 | |
Right. It's like there's so many variables, so many. | 00:58:10 | |
So and then on the next in our report on Page 3, again talking about conversion of existing buildings. | 00:58:27 | |
They could still request the treatments chart. | 00:58:35 | |
To mitigate whatever set back that they currently have. | 00:58:39 | |
So they had to spend some money. | 00:58:43 | |
To keep the set back that they currently have to convert a garage into an Adu. | 00:58:45 | |
Meaning they would have to build that 8 foot masonry wall. They would have to install all the landscaping of the buffer against | 00:58:50 | |
the neighbor. | 00:58:53 | |
To get this distance down to where they're at. | 00:58:58 | |
May not work. | 00:59:01 | |
Cheaper than moving the garage, yeah, and. | 00:59:04 | |
It does create. | 00:59:08 | |
So you're. | 00:59:10 | |
Because these garages are just up so close, it creates protection. | 00:59:11 | |
And by the time they get so far into some of these. | 00:59:20 | |
Extreme measures. | 00:59:24 | |
How you likely that if? | 00:59:27 | |