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	OK, this is Commissioner Prince. I would like to welcome you to the.	00:00:04
	Business or sorry, the planning meeting? No. What is this? The work session?	00:00:09
	Of the Plant Holiday Planning Commission.	00:00:13
	We have one item before us tonight, site plan modification of a PUD.	00:00:15
	Highland Park.	00:00:22
	Carrie, give us the rundown.	00:00:23
	Oh sorry, let me fix.	00:00:27
	Projection on the screen really quick.	00:00:30
	Come back.	00:00:33
	OK, so this is a PUD that was approved in 2022 originally.	00:00:35
	And.	00:00:42
	There was discussion on.	00:00:44
	This one specifically with the backside.	00:00:46
	I don't know why this.	00:00:50
	Displays.	00:00:51
	Switch it up.	00:00:53
	Umm, I'll fix this before we go into our meeting.	00:00:58
	So the.	00:01:03
	The original site plan.	00:01:06
	Showed the.	00:01:09
	Townhomes.	00:01:11
	In one section and then.	00:01:12
	The.	00:01:15
	Road that went back.	00:01:20
	There was a couple of iterations where they switched the position of the road.	00:01:21
	And with most of the open space for the PUD being in the.	00:01:26
	Back end.	00:01:32
	Toward the West side of the property.	00:01:34
	So that's what was originally approved with tree removals.	00:01:36
	Being tied to.	00:01:41
	What was going to be impacted by building footprints and.	00:01:43
	Roadways.	00:01:46
	So let me pull up their site plan. So this was the original.	00:01:48
	Approval. Tree canopy sustainability.	00:01:52
	Those are the trees that are within the.	00:01:56
	Billable areas.	00:01:59
	And that were approved for removal.	00:02:00
	Did I put in the?	00:02:03
	Landscape Plan.	00:02:05
	There should be in here.	00:02:07
	And that group of photos that was included in the packet?	00:02:10
	For today are the.	00:02:14
	The new trees they want to take out.	00:02:16
	Yes. So it's.	00:02:21
	Specifically, would be the trees that are on the perimeter of the property.	00:02:22
	So 6789.	00:02:28
	14 is clearly within the where the road is.	00:02:30
	These ones are within the building footprints.	00:02:34
	This one is.	00:02:37
	So.	00:02:38
	That it likely is within the building footprint.	00:02:39
	These two are.	00:02:43
	The ones that are on the West side perimeter.	00:02:48
	And where a lot of the open spaces. So here's.	00:02:50
	Site plan without the tree overlay.	00:02:53
	And it doesn't look like that.	00:02:58
	Landscape.	00:03:01
	In there, let me.	00:03:02
	Pull that up.	00:03:04
	It wasn't clear to me from the packet and I didn't stand by today. Have any of the Trees Act already been removed?	00:03:06
	I don't there's, I don't think so. There's some pine trees up in the front that are.	00:03:16
	Are dead. They were in the.	00:03:21
	A site assessment by the.	00:03:26
	The tree removal company.	00:03:28
	Or who did the arborist assessment?	00:03:30
	OK.	00:03:38
	I think there was an issue with this size on the landscape plan.	00:03:47
	I didn't get in there.	00:03:50
	So remind me the ordinance.	00:04:07
	That lets them do this.	00:04:10
	Gives considerable deference to the.	00:04:12
	Arborist.	00:04:16
	For identifying which trees need to go and why.	00:04:19
	That arbors is not our arborist. It's.	00:04:25
	There are great.	00:04:28
	Be that as it may.	00:04:31
	The other tree situations we have like this, I mean it really hinged on.	00:04:33
	If there's evidence from the.	00:04:38
	Arborist that's.	00:04:42
	We tend to be kind of deferential to that.	00:04:43
	This arborist also is a tree removal company, is that correct?	00:04:49
	Yeah. And that would be typical.	00:04:54
	When you're starting.	00:04:56
	You know a tree removal that you'd have?	00:04:58
	A person who's associated with that tree removal company, who is an arborist, who's.	00:05:01
	Checking out the trees, assessing their health, seeing what trees would be.	00:05:06
	That should be kept or.	00:05:14
	Not be kept.	00:05:16
	And if I understood what we heard?	00:05:17
	Isn't Sequoia now the tree company rather than dining tree which is?	00:05:20
	Where they relied on.	00:05:25
	Now Sequoia is the Sequoia is the developer.	00:05:27
	OK. Yeah, that.	00:05:30
	It sounded like, I guess we'll see who shows up, but it sounded like it.	00:05:33
	This Sequoia has her own.	00:05:37
	Arbor is now.	00:05:39
	No, it's a different. I didn't get that impression. It's a different company.	00:05:41
	So they have a separate company that's doing the tree removal that provided the.	00:05:45
	Assessment.	00:05:49
	The letter that's in the packet was the original.	00:05:51
	Letter that we saw that was.	00:05:53
	What the previous approval is based on just trees that are within those?	00:05:55
	Building footprints and Rd. footprints were approved for.	00:06:01
	Removal, so that's why it came back for an amendment, is because there are trees that are outside of those footprints.	00:06:05
	That, uh.	00:06:11
	The Planning Commission would have to approve for.	00:06:12
	Additional renewal. Is this handled as a variance?	00:06:15
	No, it's part of the conditional use permit with the PUD.	00:06:18
	What are we looking at here in the landscape plan? OK, so this.	00:06:23
	Is.	00:06:28
	This is what they submitted for their.	00:06:30
	For their landscaping plan.	00:06:32
	And.	00:06:33
	It didn't get added into the packet, so we will.	00:06:36
	Look at.	00:06:42
	In there and Brad, what do we need to do on the?	00:06:43
	Procedural if this wasn't in like the.	00:06:47
	In the packet.	00:06:50
	But this is their landscaping plan.	00:06:52
	The landscaping plan. When I looked at this one, it didn't look like it had ever like that. You'd ever seen the landscape plan for	00:06:57
	what?	00:07:01
	Proposed.	00:07:06
	Replacement trees.	00:07:08
	Would be.	00:07:10
	So they list here what the.	00:07:12
	Affected tree canopy is.	00:07:16
	And.	00:07:18
	Replacement would be.	00:07:20
	OK.	00:07:28
	OK.	00:07:30
	Yes.	00:07:35
	Yeah, and we did get one e-mail comment that John sent over.	00:07:36
	So if they.	00:07:40
	Show up then we can go through some of those questions, but.	00:07:43
	Yeah, I think that this.	00:07:48
	This was a weird file that just didn't go into the packet and I didn't notice that well when I sent it.	00:07:49
	So this is their proposed replacement. So they have a lot of vegetation that they're putting here.	00:07:58
	As some smaller trees.	00:08:04
	This one.	00:08:06
	Will be a bigger tree that they'll.	00:08:07
	Put at the end of their fire, Turn around.	00:08:10
	A bigger tree here and a bigger tree here.	00:08:12
	This area is a stormwater retention area.	00:08:15
	I don't think there's any trees in that area right now.	00:08:20
	And then they have a big Willow tree here that they are proposed to keep.	00:08:24
	They're proposing to keep that one.	00:08:30
	Yeah, that might be a surprise to the developer.	00:08:32
	Well, it's a surprise to that one guy, but he didn't get it's this one.	00:08:35
	Yeah.	00:08:39
	So this one has the Do not disturb on it.	00:08:40
	Well that's confusing because it's a red X, but that is their.	00:08:44
	That one would.	00:08:49
	Would stay.	00:08:50
	OK.	00:08:52
	Oh, is that the?	00:08:54
	Root cavity at the base with major deadlims.	00:08:58
	I think so.	00:09:02
	That's about what it looks like.	00:09:03
	Cavity. Sorry.	00:09:05
	And that one may be that it's because it's.	00:09:08
	Toward the front of the site if there were significant issues with it later on.	00:09:10
	Than they could remove it.	00:09:15
	Without it, yeah.	00:09:16
	OK.	00:09:18
	Carrie, what do you have in the way of?	00:09:25
	Guidance for us for has something like this come before Planning Commission in the past?	00:09:27
	And what sorts of things have been?	00:09:34
	Done.	00:09:36
	Yeah, I think that there's.	00:09:37
	Kind of a continual.	00:09:40
	Question of tree quality or tree health. One of the intents of the tree canopy sustainability.	00:09:43
	Ordinance is to.	00:09:51
	Improve the tree canopy overtime.	00:09:54
	Replacing some older trees or diseased trees with.	00:09:57
	Newer degrees that then will.	00:10:01
	Kind of replenish.	00:10:04
	What the existing tree canopy is.	00:10:06
	So there's.	00:10:09
	That's I think that that can be accomplished.	00:10:10
	There's a continual kind of difficulty with site development.	00:10:15
	When you have trees that are maybe in questionable health.	00:10:19
	That then.	00:10:24
	Is easier to.	00:10:25
	Remove them later when you have, you know, 12 townhomes that are in there and.	00:10:27
	Versus now, so that's.	00:10:33
	From the developer side, that's likely.	00:10:34
	Easier to manage those trees.	00:10:37
	Now and then put in fresh landscaping.	00:10:39
	Fencing. I know that.	00:10:44
	A lot of those are right.	00:10:45
	Right on the border of.	00:10:46
	Have some properties so.	00:10:49
	They were.	00:10:52
	They were unsure as to if they were on their property and then when they did like all their surveying and things in their	00:10:56
	preliminary, that's when they're like, OK, these trees are within our.	00:11:00
	Our boundary and.	00:11:05
	Thus they be responsible for them.	00:11:07
	So OK.	00:11:09
	And the issues raised in the e-mail today.	00:11:11
	By the adjoining.	00:11:16
	The adjacent.	00:11:18
	Complex.	00:11:18
	The privacy and water drainage and.	00:11:21
	Blah blah. Whatever.	00:11:25
	Yeah, those. That strikes me as beyond our scope, right? Drainage is all managed with.	00:11:28
	Engineering. That's just.	00:11:33
	Typical ordinance anyway. Any drainage.	00:11:35
	From your property can't be.	00:11:38
	Drained onto neighboring properties.	00:11:40
	So that will be.	00:11:43
	You know, that's part of their engineering plans that.	00:11:44
	The drainage will be retained on site.	00:11:47
	Their main storm water retention, where they'll have.	00:11:49
	Their on site retention going to will be a.	00:11:54
	Area right here in the front.	00:11:58
	OK.	00:12:02
	So that will retain most of their.	00:12:04
	And they'll do their site grading so that everything goes to that, to that central area.	00:12:06
	Other questions with.	00:12:14
	Privacy.	00:12:17
	Typically any new development they're they're wanting to put.	00:12:19
	New trees into.	00:12:23
	For privacy for the.	00:12:25
	New residents Privacy against existing residents.	00:12:27
	Of course, it's going to be different once you have small trees versus your larger trees that are there.	00:12:30
	And I discussed it in the staff report a little bit, just the difference in land use and how that changes overtime because the.	00:12:38
	Existing glad use of just a small house that was on that site before there was so much open space and a lot of really big trees.	00:12:45
	So when you are redeveloping that and you have your fire access and your building footprints.	00:12:51
	It does have it will have a significant impact, but.	00:12:58
	Within the land rates of that.	00:13:02
	Property.	00:13:04
	Yeah. And I think that on the note of quality of trees that they were discussing before, it's that we don't have anything in our	00:13:12
	ordinance that is.	00:13:16
	That takes into account what quality trees are. It's just a blanket coverage of.	00:13:20
	All trees.	00:13:26
	And so then as the Commission, that's.	00:13:28
	Within your purview of.	00:13:30
	You know, are these.	00:13:33
	Does applicant have a?	00:13:36
	A case that that you feel adequately.	00:13:39
	Serves the tree canopy ordinance and the intents of a.	00:13:45
	PUD with open space.	00:13:49
	And the ordinance requires.	00:13:52
	Placement.	00:13:54
	One for one.	00:13:57
	But they can be like.	00:13:59
	2 inch caliper trees. It's based on canopy coverage. OK, what? What at maturity, canopy coverage would be right?	00:14:01
	Yes, so they have.	00:14:11
	On there I think it was.	00:14:13
	9000 existing.	00:14:16
	It's not detailed on here, but this is the replacement the 11,745 square feet.	00:14:21
	It's like 9000.	00:14:27
	200 or something.	00:14:29
	Yeah, so there I mean it's.	00:14:31
	It's taking some of those bigger trees that have a lot of canopy coverage.	00:14:32
	And it will be more.	00:14:38
	Dispersed into smaller trees.	00:14:39
	Which eventually grow, but.	00:14:44
	Yeah.	00:14:46
	So you'll get smaller trees along your perimeter where you've got.	00:14:47
	Some limited space.	00:14:51
	A little bit bigger trees in some of these open spaces.	00:14:53
	But yeah, just more dispersed.	00:14:56
	Can be type coverage instead of these bigger central ones.	00:14:58
	OK, Commissioners, anything else?	00:15:02
	Angela, you look like you've got questions. Oh, I just, I don't see where the open space is on this bud.	00:15:10
	So you know.	00:15:17
	They're squeezing a lot of stuff in there.	00:15:20
	Yeah, and that was just the difference of going from.	00:15:22
	It's a.	00:15:26
	It's zoned as multifamily so they are entitled to 12 units on there.	00:15:28
	I think they're still within their total.	00:15:32
	Lot coverage amount I think in our emits.	00:15:35
	You can cover up to 60% of a lot.	00:15:37
	Yeah, there was something on that landscaping plan that said that 40%.	00:15:41
	Yeah.	00:15:45
	Not.	00:15:47
	Let me build on or.	00:15:48
	But it doesn't count the planned Rd.	00:15:50
	Counts as not building.	00:15:53
	It's the road and the.	00:15:57
	The road discount is building.	00:16:00
	As.	00:16:03
	We Scroll down to the bottom of that page, the yellow stuff.	00:16:06
	Yeah, required 40% landscaping, not including tree canopy.	00:16:09
	OK.	00:16:14
	I think I'm just bothered by the clear intent to not.	00:16:15
	Keep any trees.	00:16:18
	Do you mean?	00:16:23
	Where the buildings are going to be.	00:16:24
	Anywhere. Uh.	00:16:25
	They weren't wondering, though.	00:16:26
	Oh well, no.	00:16:27
	I mean.	00:16:29
	Seems like they were not intending to.	00:16:30
	Keep the existing trees at all.	00:16:33
	Yeah. And that's you can discuss that with the applicant.	00:16:38
	Yeah, just ask him.	00:16:42
	And I think on this landscape, on the.	00:16:46
	Don't show the one up front as being retained, but it is.	00:16:48
	On their tree removal plan.	00:16:53
	Which is.	00:16:57
	I think it's this one.	00:16:58
	OK. Any other questions?	00:17:11
	Questions.	00:17:12
	OK, do we need a break, Commissioners?	00:17:18
	I'm good. We're ready to go.	00:17:22
	OK. Well, in three, probably early though.	00:17:25
	In 3 minutes we'll start then. So we have.	00:17:28
	We have a three minute.	00:17:31
	Break and then we'll start.	00:17:32
	Right at six.	00:17:34
	Ginger, will you read our?	00:17:39
	We're happy to have our city staff, Carrie Marsh and Brad.	00:17:43
	Christopherson legal counsel with us.	00:17:47
	And would like to excuse commissioners.	00:17:50
	Roach, Barrett and Font from our meeting tonight.	00:17:53
	We have one item in front of us, but before we.	00:17:57
	Hear that item? We have a statement that will be read by Commissioner Vilchinsky.	00:18:01
	The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volatile.	00:18:06
	Volunteer Citizen.	00:18:09
	Whose function is to review land use plans.	00:18:11
	And other special studies making recommendations to the City Council.	00:18:14
	On proposed zoning map and ordinance changes and approved conditional uses and subdivisions.	00:18:18
	The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications.	00:18:24
	Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted.	00:18:28
	Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings.	00:18:31
	Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda.	00:18:37
	Where the location, the nature of the neighborhood, existing structures and uses related to the proposed changes are noted.	00:18:41
	Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the professional planning staff.	00:18:48
	The city's general plan zoning ordinances.	00:18:54
	Other reports.	00:18:57
	By all verbal and written comments.	00:18:59
	And by evidence submitted.	00:19:01
	All of which are part of public record.	00:19:03
	Thank you.	00:19:06
	We will.	00:19:07
	Here tonight.	00:19:08
	One item which is a site plan modification of a PUD.	00:19:11
	The project is Highland Park, located at.	00:19:15
	4880 S Highland Circle.	00:19:18
	So let's see, tonight we will start with a.	00:19:23
	Brief introduction from city staff and then we will hear from our applicant.	00:19:25
	OK.	00:19:41
	OK. So this is a previously approved planned unit development subdivision in the RM zone, which is residential multifamily.	00:19:43
	At 4880 S Highland Circle.	00:19:54
	Previous land use was a.	00:19:57
	Home that was on the site that was used as a business for a long time.	00:20:00
	And so this is a shift between or to that.	00:20:04
	Or to have multifamily development.	00:20:09
	Previously approved with I believe 11 townhomes on it.	00:20:12
	The previous approval.	00:20:18
	Included uh.	00:20:20
	Umm, only trees to be removed that are impacted directly by building footprints and the road footprint that would be.	00:20:22
	Installed for fire access.	00:20:30
	As the applicant.	00:20:33
	Did their tree assessment as they started working towards site development.	00:20:35
	Their tree assessment involved.	00:20:39
	Some additional trees that are outside of that previous approval. So that's what we're looking at today.	00:20:43
	Primarily.	00:20:48
	Trees that are on the West.	00:20:50
	Side of the property perimeter and on the Northside of the property perimeter.	00:20:52
	Umm, their landscape plan.	00:20:58
	Did not.	00:21:03
	Upload into.	00:21:04
	The packet that was received, but I do have that.	00:21:06
	Included SO.	00:21:10
	We will review what is in their landscape plan.	00:21:11
	Total lot coverage for the.	00:21:14
	For the RM zone is 60% for buildings and roads with 40% landscaping.	00:21:17
	So they have that detailed in their application here.	00:21:24
	Also included.	00:21:27
	The tree canopy replacement plan.	00:21:30
	Is replacing I think it was roughly 9000, just over 9000 square feet of existing tree canopy that would be removed.	00:21:33
	To 11,000 square feet of tree canopy that would be replaced.	00:21:42
	So that's detailed on their site. This is the landscape plan that shows.	00:21:47
	The new trees that would be planted, smaller trees obviously in this narrow arrow.	00:21:52
	Area next to the road.	00:21:56
	And along the backside with some bigger trees throughout.	00:21:58
	The proposed removals.	00:22:02
	Let's jump over to.	00:22:07
	That one.	00:22:08
	So the tree removals were detailed.	00:22:18
	By the applicant and their application for the modification.	00:22:21
	This tree was originally going to be removed, but they are leaving that one. It's a larger Willow tree that's up on the front.	00:22:26
	East side of the property.	00:22:34
	And uh.	00:22:36
	The trees that are then affected.	00:22:37
	By the roadway building footprints or these kind of interior.	00:22:41
	Trees. Umm.	00:22:46
	The ones that are outside of that area.	00:22:48
	Are pretty close in.	00:22:50
	This along this strip so that's.	00:22:52
	Trees 987.	00:22:55
	And six and then these two on the West perimeter, which is 4:00 and 5:00.	00:22:57
	So those are good.	00:23:02
	Additional trees that are outside of the original approval that the Commission would be looking at today.	00:23:03
	The applicant provided a tree assessment by an arborist at Diamond Tree Experts.	00:23:10
	They detailed all of the trees that are on the site.	00:23:17
	And that was all included in the packet for.	00:23:21
	For review.	00:23:24
	I will have the applicant come up and they can go through the the trees that are on the site and some more details for you as	00:23:27
	well.	00:23:30
	Thank you.	00:23:35
	If you can state your name and address even though we.	00:23:40
	Have seen you before, that would be wonderful. Thank you.	00:23:43
	Alec Moffett with Sequoia development addresses 9055 S.	00:23:45
	1300 E Suite 104, Sandy, UT.	00:23:49
	Do you want me to go through the trees 1 by 1?	00:23:54
	Yeah, yeah.	00:23:58
	Yeah, take us through.	00:23:59
	All right, so.	00:24:01
	I can see this one a little bit better.	00:24:02
	Maybe Kerry, if you can zoom it a smidge.	00:24:05
	Number one.	00:24:09
	But #2 which was that Willow tree?	00:24:10
	I believe you guys did a site visit today.	00:24:14
	Two of us did OK.	00:24:17
	As originally on the list, we took it off the list because we know in the past.	00:24:20
	Pastimes and diamond trees stood up here.	00:24:25
	That was a big one that you guys wanted to keep.	00:24:27
	But it just keeps progressively getting worse and worse as far as health, especially with this hot summer we're having.	00:24:30
	Well, it's on the list of the ones that we'll try to save.	00:24:36
	But it's unlikely they'll survive through construction just.	00:24:40
	By leaving it there.	00:24:43
	So that one is a tough one.	00:24:47
	Number one.	00:24:48
	It's a group of pine trees that write.	00:24:49
	Smack in the middle of the.	00:24:51
	A building.	00:24:53
	Same as three, if you want to go to four, we should work our way. Left 14.	00:24:55
	It's a road Gentry in the middle of the road.	00:24:59
	987 and six, those are all ones that are on the Northside that I.	00:25:02
	I love and admire and I'm actually really sad that they died.	00:25:08
	9-8 and seven are pretty much dead.	00:25:11
	6 is 1 where it has a large root system that will be impacted severely by the road.	00:25:16
	And we diversify the.	00:25:21
	He does not.	00:25:24
	See it?	00:25:25
	Surviving. And so then it would just become.	00:25:25
	A hazard to.	00:25:28
	Anyone who lives there or parks?	00:25:29
	On the other side, there's some.	00:25:31
	Parking areas that could fall on the cars.	00:25:33
	Umm, 12.	00:25:36
	Brent Mill Road 11.	00:25:38
	It's kind of 5050.	00:25:40
	On exactly where it's going to be.	00:25:42
	But it's so close to building footprint that it would.	00:25:44
	Same thing.	00:25:47
	If it's not taken half the tree, it's taken the root system.	00:25:48
	And then four and five are ones that.	00:25:53
	We kind of want to play by ear.	00:25:55
	We want to get approval on them, but we want to approval to remove them, but we kind of want to save them.	00:25:56
	That makes sense.	00:26:01
	It's one of those where we'd love to save them. We want to keep as many trees as we can.	00:26:04
	The reason why we bought this property is because of all the large mature trees.	00:26:08
	It's just been unfortunate that over the past two years when this project has been on hold.	00:26:14
	They have not gotten any water.	00:26:18
	Or any care?	00:26:20
	And their health is all.	00:26:21
	Gotten really bad.	00:26:23
	So that's where.	00:26:25
	We're really only trying to take out trees.	00:26:26
	Sick or dying?	00:26:28
	Or going to be.	00:26:30
	Adversely affected by construction by either being completely removed where a building is going to be, or the root system will.	00:26:31
	And it'll end up killing the tree.	00:26:38
	That is.	00:26:42
	That's kind of tree by tree, so if you have any questions let me know.	00:26:44
	OK. Brad, is it appropriate for us to ask questions now or should we wait until we've heard public comment and then?	00:26:47
	Ask questions later.	00:26:55
	OK. Commissioners, is there anyone that's got a question that they'd like to address to our applicant at this moment?	00:26:56
	I do.	00:27:03
	OK. Just out of curiosity, you talked about how you wanted to.	00:27:04
	Hopefully keep these trees.	00:27:10
	Umm, were you all the ones that took the irrigation system out?	00:27:12
	Well, yeah, so we demoed, we demoed the home.	00:27:16
	Which and we took the meters off all the water, so the water does not work there.	00:27:20
	And right after we demoed it.	00:27:25
	Interest rates skyrocketed.	00:27:27
	Our initial plan.	00:27:30
	It did not pencil. We had to put a stop on construction immediately.	00:27:32
	Kind of felt out the market, I mean the market.	00:27:35
	This was like and we bought property really expensive 2022.	00:27:37
	2023 rolled in.	00:27:42
	And it was right as we got everything approved and the market was just like homes were not moving.	00:27:44
	Initially we wanted to price these pretty high.	00:27:50
	And so we had.	00:27:52
	You know, nicer finishes different construction.	00:27:53
	Since then, we.	00:27:56
	Spend, guys behind me spend.	00:27:57
	Countless hours trying to.	00:27:59
	Get the cost of these.	00:28:00
	Homes down so they could be reasonably affordable too.	00:28:02
	Knocking $200,000 off the purchase price.	00:28:06
	And that's made it where we believe we can sell them in the.	00:28:10
	And the project can move forward.	00:28:12
	During that time, unfortunately, yes, no water.	00:28:14
	Got to the trees of them what fell from the sky?	00:28:17
	And we do live in a desert, so.	00:28:19
	They were not having a good time.	00:28:21
	OK.	00:28:24
	But.	00:28:28
	I mean, we are developers, we do like to improve the land we're on.	00:28:30
	So the trees that we'll be replacing.	00:28:34
	We are significantly increasing the canopy that's there now.	00:28:35
	Or the canopy that was listed.	00:28:39
	Was the canopy of them being healthy and full?	00:28:41
	There's a lot of debt trees in there that have their canopies 0 right now, so that number could be much less.	00:28:45
	But we're doing what was.	00:28:50
	And we're improving it beyond what was.	00:28:52
	OK.	00:28:55
	Any other?	00:28:58
	Thoughts at this point?	00:29:00
	All right. Thank you. We appreciate your presentation.	00:29:03
	Thank you.	00:29:05
	This is an item with a public hearing and so at this point we will open the public hearing.	00:29:07
	And invite members of the public that are here that would like to speak on this issue.	00:29:13
	To come up you can take up to 3 minutes.	00:29:18
	Please give your name and your address at the beginning.	00:29:22
	State your points and.	00:29:27
	If someone's made the same point that you're going to make.	00:29:29
	Please don't.	00:29:32
	We only need to hear it once and.	00:29:33
	But we are happy to hear.	00:29:36
	All the comments that the public has that are relevant to this issue, so we'll open that.	00:29:38
	Public hearing right now.	00:29:43
	My name is Joseph Amici.	00:29:53
	My address is 4828 S Highland Circle, apartment 303.	00:29:55
	I live in the Chateau Ferret.	00:30:00
	Condominium complex which directly abuts this property to the north.	00:30:02
	So you're just north of the property.	00:30:07
	Yes, thank you.	00:30:09
	Speaking in favor of these.	00:30:12
	Proposed changes. Currently there are some.	00:30:13
	Nice mature trees on this property, but it is.	00:30:17
	Currently a unsightly pile of dirt.	00:30:20
	Anything that can be done to expedite the building process, including the proposed changes with the replacement canopy trees I.	00:30:23
	Would support.	00:30:31
	As a side note.	00:30:33
	I would like.	00:30:36
	I would appreciate anything that the developer can do to.	00:30:37
	Maintain the property.	00:30:41
	In the interim before construction begins as it is.	00:30:43
	Unsightly, full of garbage, and covered in abandoned traffic cones. Thank you.	00:30:46
	OK. Thank you very much.	00:30:52
	All right.	00:30:55
	Do we have another member of the public who would like to speak?	00:30:56
	OK.	00:31:04
	Hi, Kevin Ludlow.	00:31:07
	9055 S 1300 E Sweet.	00:31:09
	104 I'm with Sequoia Development I.	00:31:12
	The founder of Sequoia Development.	00:31:17
	I appreciate the comments from the gentleman before it came to my attention that maybe you don't know who we are.	00:31:19
	We love Holiday City.	00:31:26
	I live in Holiday city.	00:31:28
	We developed the.	00:31:31
	Hyatt Place.	00:31:33
	High place up there.	00:31:35
	Bandits Restaurant.	00:31:37
	The powerhouse ski shop.	00:31:39
	So.	00:31:43
	We're very familiar with holiday. We also did Holiday row right behind the the old Days hardware.	00:31:44
	Some brownstone.	00:31:49
	Residential.	00:31:51
	Units that you may be seen in Hadley Pines just east of that so.	00:31:53
	We love being in holiday. We appreciate.	00:31:57
	Being here and.	00:32:01
	Thanks for your consideration.	00:32:03
	Thank you.	00:32:06
	Thank you.	00:32:07
	Any other members of the public?	00:32:11
	All right. Well, we appreciate those of you that have spoken and at this point we will.	00:32:15
	Go ahead and close the public hearing.	00:32:20
	Let's just mention for the record, there was an e-mail submitted today that Carrie I believe will be included as part of the.	00:32:27
	The public comment.	00:32:35
	Yes, that will be.	00:32:37
	Noted in our minutes. Just some general questions from.	00:32:40
	From a resident nearby just.	00:32:46
	Asking about what the plans were for the tree removal.	00:32:50
	Perimeter trees and then drainage issues.	00:32:54
	And happy to address those with that with that resident too.	00:32:57
	OK. Thank you.	00:33:01
	All right. So at this point, I think we're ready for some.	00:33:02
	Discussion.	00:33:05
	Between the Commissioners.	00:33:06
	Can we ask the arborist a question though? Is the arborist here?	00:33:08
	All right, well, why don't you ask Alec and just see what he knows? Alec, welcome back up.	00:33:14
	Yeah, I I just want to make sure I understood that.	00:33:19
	What's really going to happen to that Willow?	00:33:23
	At the east side, the east, northeast side.	00:33:26
	And then so didn't we specifically require that that stay in?	00:33:30
	Are you asking now for that not to stay in?	00:33:35
	I'm asking for approval to take it out if needed.	00:33:38
	That's my request I know on.	00:33:41
	On the application we crossed out.	00:33:43
	But.	00:33:45
	Going by and looking at it recently.	00:33:46
	Since I submitted that.	00:33:48
	And looking at our grading range plan.	00:33:50
	It's just document we have to vote on.	00:33:53
	Show the will not accurate.	00:33:56
	I mean if I have to give them a little bike, keeping it.	00:33:58
	And then we take it out in two years. Once dead then.	00:34:00
	Are you asking about the landscape plan, Commissioner? Yeah, from the landscape plan, you know the.	00:34:05
	One we have with the Big X there to make sure we didn't take that Willow tree out.	00:34:11
	And now is the new.	00:34:16
	Landscaping plan.	00:34:19
	Does that include taking the Willow out?	00:34:21
	Yes. So this landscaping plan does not show the Willow tree in it. So I think that.	00:34:25
	If you approve this site plan.	00:34:29
	Or the landscaping plan.	00:34:32
	That, umm.	00:34:33
	That accounts for that.	00:34:35
	Removal.	00:34:37
	I just wanted to clarify that because.	00:34:39
	It's different again.	00:34:42
	Yeah. And and we can, you can modify input conditions that you decide within the meeting that's there's space for that in your	00:34:45
	conditions or findings.	00:34:49
	Any modifications that you'd wish to make?	00:34:55
	So since we didn't see the landscape plan before because it was too big or whatever it was for whatever reason.	00:34:57
	If we wanted to say.	00:35:04
	We want to, really.	00:35:07
	Big tree there and we want it to start as a.	00:35:08
	Big tree, and we don't want it to be a little one that's gonna grow to be a big tree. We want a big one to start. Can we do that?	00:35:11
	How big?	00:35:17
	Well, I'm not asking you, I'm asking Brad and Carrie if we can do that as a Commission.	00:35:19
	As a condition.	00:35:23
	I don't believe the tree ordinance talks about.	00:35:25
	Big trees and it's not defined. I think it says.	00:35:27
	The caliber.	00:35:30
	If I remember correctly, carried. Maybe you have it more fresh in your mind.	00:35:31
	Right, it's the replacement trees.	00:35:35
	Need to be 1 1/2 inch caliper as a replacement.	00:35:37
	But really, it's looking at the mature canopy size.	00:35:42
	So as we were talking about in our work meeting, that can be dispersed into smaller trees or or a larger tree, but that.	00:35:45
	It isn't a larger, more open space that.	00:35:53
	Would be.	00:35:56
	Appropriate for a larger tree.	00:35:57
	But that is also the.	00:36:00
	The developers.	00:36:02
	The per personal choice.	00:36:03
	Yes.	00:36:04
	It also appears in the site plan that.	00:36:08
	This is uh.	00:36:12
	Here it's saying four and five might.	00:36:13
	Be saved, but in the site plan they're not.	00:36:15
	Those are not trees four and five, I don't think.	00:36:18
	Those are different, so yeah.	00:36:22
	But.	00:36:25
	So the hope is that they would be saved.	00:36:27
	Yeah, but we would be approving.	00:36:29
	That they would.	00:36:31
	So.	00:36:34
	Commissioners, my recommendation is.	00:36:41
	That you.	00:36:43
	Consider this plan as if they're not going to be saved.	00:36:45
	Yeah, then nobody's going to be disappointed.	00:36:48
	And when we do save them, you guys will love us.	00:36:52
	I mean that that that is one way to look at it.	00:36:57
	Yeah.	00:36:59
	So it appears that there are essentially no original trees.	00:37:01
	Because the Willow.	00:37:06
	Sounds like it's on its way up.	00:37:08
	Yeah, this was a plant. I believe this was this landscape plan. I don't know if it included any of the actual existing trees. I	00:37:11
	believe it was just a planting.	00:37:14
	Plan like these are all trees that we're going to be adding.	00:37:18
	So on top of the existing.	00:37:21
	Canopy that's already there.	00:37:23
	Be adding the 11,000 square feet.	00:37:24
	But I don't think any of the trees are.	00:37:27
	Slated for.	00:37:29
	Continued to exist.	00:37:32
	There's a lot of trees that are there that are not included.	00:37:36
	Yeah, I mean just from.	00:37:40
	Walking out there, there were a lot. There's there.	00:37:42
	That weren't tagged or weren't spray painted.	00:37:45
	When there's of this property is litter with trees. I mean that's why we bought it.	00:37:49
	So there's, yeah.	00:37:54
	Quite a bit of trees that are still there, plus these.	00:37:55
	And the idea was it's gonna be a very private.	00:37:57
	Secluded.	00:38:00
	In the full community.	00:38:01
	As many trees as we can pack on there.	00:38:03
	Do we have a number of How many original trees are staying?	00:38:06
	And again, I wish I knew.	00:38:11
	I only count the ones that were leaving. I never counted the ones that were staying.	00:38:15
	OK.	00:38:21
	All right. Thoughts.	00:38:22
	I mean, it sounds like we can't.	00:38:27
	Mandate a really big tree, which is what my instinct would like.	00:38:30
	But I recognize that.	00:38:35
	That may not be a fair.	00:38:36
	We can only do slash legal things to do, which seems a shame, but.	00:38:38
	We do want Brad to be able to.	00:38:43
	Goodwill of the developer.	00:38:45
	That's right.	00:38:47
	I think my thought is at this point.	00:38:52
	The Arbor.	00:38:54
	Our breasts. A wrist report.	00:38:56
	Is not very.	00:38:59
	Optimistic in terms of.	00:39:01
	Of keeping any of these trees, certainly the pictures showed some.	00:39:03
	Some or you know the ones listed.	00:39:08
	Some serious.	00:39:10
	And real health issues.	00:39:12
	It just seems like.	00:39:15
	That I think with some foresight that could have been prevented.	00:39:18
	Knowing that these trees would need water for a couple of years, if I had a crystal ball I would have for sure.	00:39:23
	Unfortunate lack of.	00:39:29
	Planning plan.	00:39:30
	It may suggest to us in the future that we require them to continue watering.	00:39:31
	The trees continue water in the site attempting to train. I mean we take.	00:39:36
	I want in a.	00:39:41
	Piece of property that's irrigated.	00:39:42
	You couldn't continue irrigating even if you took the building down.	00:39:45
	That's something we ought to consider for.	00:39:49
	I mean, we clearly can't come a thought this, a thought plan and say who does?	00:39:53
	Many times and I've literally sat on a project with a fire hose.	00:39:58
	Watering trees for hours on end.	00:40:02
	Because we wanted to save trees.	00:40:04
	Our company name is Sequoia Development. We love trees.	00:40:07
	I've done it. The guys behind me have all sat in the lawn chair with a big old fire hose watering trees.	00:40:12
	So right there would, yeah, if we would have known that this would keep getting dragged out on.	00:40:17
	And on and on.	00:40:22
	And we thought we were going to start in two months for like.	00:40:23
	Two years now, yeah.	00:40:26
	It's just, it was just.	00:40:27
	Yeah.	00:40:29
	Well, we'll cross our fingers for a fire hose the next go around.	00:40:31
	And I can add that when you are dealing with demolition and you're having your power meters removed or your water meter removed,	00:40:36
	there's no way to get water to the site. So.	00:40:41
	Once the water meter is disconnected.	00:40:47
	Then it makes it that much more difficult to get water to the site.	00:40:49
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.	00:40:52
	Yeah.	00:40:54
	That'll make sense. It's.	00:40:56
	Just the situation.	00:40:58
	All right, Commissioners, are we ready to?	00:41:00
	Let's start here.	00:41:06
	You ready to move?	00:41:07
	Towards something.	00:41:09
	I, I think so I think at this point.	00:41:10
	Approving the.	00:41:12
	The new.	00:41:14
	Or that you know this.	00:41:16
	I don't know it is, but.	00:41:18
	This site.	00:41:19
	Plan makes sense, I think it.	00:41:21
	You know, overtime.	00:41:24
	Things will grow.	00:41:26
	Are there any conditions that you would?	00:41:27
	Be inclined to.	00:41:29
	Suggest umm.	00:41:31
	Besides, what's in the?	00:41:33
	Report.	00:41:34
	Noodle on that while we see if Commissioner Wilchinski has any thoughts.	00:41:37
	Or Commissioner Cunningham.	00:41:42
	That would be it, just.	00:41:43
	I don't know if it.	00:41:45
	Does this any good?	00:41:49
	Try and encourage them to keep.	00:41:51
	4:00 and 5:00.	00:41:53
	I think we can encourage.	00:41:56
	All we want.	00:41:58
	And we can look really with really nice puppy dog eyes and.	00:41:59
	Plead for 4:00 and 5:00.	00:42:04
	Yeah, because it saves you money if you don't have to cut it down.	00:42:08
	30 grown mature trees. We like that.	00:42:14
	All right, Commissioner Cunningham, any other thoughts or conditions?	00:42:17
	Commissioner Volcenski.	00:42:21
	No, I'm just.	00:42:25
	What kind of trees are we going to be putting in there?	00:42:27
	Do we have?	00:42:31
	Carrie, can you go through those with us since?	00:42:34
	I can't read that.	00:42:37
	Even with my.	00:42:40
	OK.	00:42:42
	So these junipers looked like they were on the South side of the property, on the backside of some townhomes.	00:42:44
	OK, umm.	00:42:49
	These are your bigger trees.	00:42:51
	Here I believe. Let's see.	00:42:53
	Well, bigger trees at 2 inch calipers, yeah. And then these are?	00:42:58
	These are the smaller icons or.	00:43:03
	Symbols are your.	00:43:05
	Smaller shrubs that will then fill in.	00:43:07
	Let's go back to the trees Are these.	00:43:12
	2 inch.	00:43:15
	Right, right, right. Oh yeah.	00:43:18
	Yeah, yeah.	00:43:20
	Yep. So it looks like a Maple.	00:43:21
	This ginkgo should.	00:43:23
	Is a great.	00:43:25
	Large tree.	00:43:27
	Slow growing, but they do really well in Utah.	00:43:29
	And dry climates.	00:43:33
	Crab Bowl.	00:43:35
	And oak linen. So there's a lot of diversity in the trees, which I think is great.	00:43:36
	And obviously they'll.	00:43:41
	As a developer who has had experience with landscaping and all that there.	00:43:44
	Making their.	00:43:49
	Tree selections based off of this site too.	00:43:50
	Is there? Is there turf? Is this speckly stuffed?	00:43:54
	And landscaping wise, they can't do any grass areas that is less than 8 feet wide.	00:44:01
	And that's in our.	00:44:07
	Landscape Ordinance.	00:44:08
	So these are always the scale on this. How big are those?	00:44:09
	OK, so that's why.	00:44:12
	Probably.	00:44:15
	Mulch around plants and where it gets really narrow by the roadway.	00:44:15
	Yeah, OK.	00:44:19
	All right.	00:44:20
	I mean they could consider no grass.	00:44:22
	Think about it.	00:44:25
	I don't know. I'm not sure we're ready to revisit this again.	00:44:27
	All right. Well then, commissioners.	00:44:31
	At this point.	00:44:35
	I think we're ready to.	00:44:36
	Might get the proverbial show on the road and.	00:44:40
	And hopefully get some action going on this property soon.	00:44:43
	Saved trees that are there. So do we have anyone who would be interested in?	00:44:47
	Making a motion for us this evening.	00:44:53
	I'd be happy to give me just a second and I'll pull it up and.	00:44:56
	OK.	00:44:59
	And we can't make it a condition, but we can make a really good suggestion.	00:45:03
	Yay trees. OK.	00:45:08
	I Commissioner Wilchinski motion for approval of a site amendment to the Highland Park plans unit development a residential.	00:45:14
	11 Unit development within the RN zone located at 4880 S Highland Circle.	00:45:22
	Finding that the proposal complies with the allowed.	00:45:28
	Land uses.	00:45:31
	For the RM zone.	00:45:33
	No changes are being made to any of the previous approvals for the PUD.	00:45:35
	Replacement tree canopy.	00:45:39
	Coverage provides for the future preservation and enhancement of desirable site characteristics.	00:45:42
	And we don't have any.	00:45:48
	Umm, conditions.	00:45:52
	Oh, with the following conditions.	00:45:53
	That the tree.	00:45:56
	Removals are only as designated.	00:45:58
	That replacement trees to be planted as shown.	00:46:02
	Significant deviations must be once again approved by the Planning Commission.	00:46:05
	And although we're not going to call it a condition, we strongly urge you.	00:46:10
	To try to keep.	00:46:15
	Those trees, 4:00 and 5:00.	00:46:17
	On that back into the property.	00:46:19
	All right, Commissioner Bill Schinsky, do you want to include?	00:46:22
	Two in that as well the front one.	00:46:25
	The Willow, yes, also.	00:46:28
	To that big Willow.	00:46:30
	At the front of the property there.	00:46:32
	If that, can it all be saved? Not a condition, but we would really like that saved if possible.	00:46:34
	OK. I second the motion.	00:46:41
	All right, thank you. We'll call for a vote, Commissioner Cunningham.	00:46:42
	Aye, Commissioner Belchinski.	00:46:45
	Hi, Commissioner Gong.	00:46:47
	Aye, and Chair votes aye the motion.	00:46:49
	Passes for your.	00:46:52
	Site plan modification and.	00:46:53
	Good luck to the you and the trees.	00:46:57
	And we'll look for some action to happen there.	00:46:59
	All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate the public being here and hopefully.	00:47:01
	Have things happening?	00:47:07
	There for you.	00:47:09
	Our next scheduled meeting.	00:47:11
	Kerry is when?	00:47:13
	We will be holding our next meeting on July 15.	00:47:16
	We'll have the Hinckley Subdivision PUD back at that time.	00:47:20
	OK, so not next week.	00:47:25
	I will be out of town on the 15th just.	00:47:27
	Heads up.	00:47:29
	Oh, 15.	00:47:30
	Maybe I'll still be here.	00:47:33
	I don't know, but OK, all right. And with I will also be out of town.	00:47:34
	OK, and cannot join electronically.	00:47:39
	OK, OK.	00:47:42
	I will.	00:47:44
	Survey the Commissioners before we. We will make sure that.	00:47:47
	Will have at least 4 here.	00:47:51
	If there's not going to be 4 here.	00:47:54
	Possibly moving that to the.	00:47:58
	Following week.	00:48:01
	Umm, holding it on the first, which is going to be a little too soon for them.	00:48:02
	Yeah, umm.	00:48:06
	OK. All right.	00:48:07
	Well, with that, we will adjourn our meeting this evening. Thank you.	00:48:09
	We need a motion.	00:48:13
	Aye, a motion to close.	00:48:15
	We need a motion to do. We have a motion. We adjourn.	00:48:19
	OK, all in favor.	00:48:22
	Aye, a German, thank you.	00:48:24
	Again, this train here straight and narrow.	00:48:27
	This is it for.	00:48:31
	Oh, this is it for Ginger.	00:48:33

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	OK, this is Commissioner Prince. I would like to welcome you to the.	00:00:04
	Business or sorry, the planning meeting? No. What is this? The work session?	00:00:09
	Of the Plant Holiday Planning Commission.	00:00:13
	We have one item before us tonight, site plan modification of a PUD.	00:00:15
	Highland Park.	00:00:22
	Carrie, give us the rundown.	00:00:23
	Oh sorry, let me fix.	00:00:27
	Projection on the screen really quick.	00:00:30
	Come back.	00:00:33
	OK, so this is a PUD that was approved in 2022 originally.	00:00:35
	And.	00:00:42
	There was discussion on.	00:00:44
	This one specifically with the backside.	00:00:46
	I don't know why this.	00:00:50
	Displays.	00:00:51
	Switch it up.	00:00:53
	Umm, I'll fix this before we go into our meeting.	00:00:58
	So the.	00:01:03
	The original site plan.	00:01:06
	Showed the.	00:01:09
	Townhomes.	00:01:11
	In one section and then.	00:01:12
	The.	00:01:15
	Road that went back.	00:01:20
	There was a couple of iterations where they switched the position of the road.	00:01:21
	And with most of the open space for the PUD being in the.	00:01:26
	Back end.	00:01:32
	Toward the West side of the property.	00:01:34
	So that's what was originally approved with tree removals.	00:01:36
	Being tied to.	00:01:41
	What was going to be impacted by building footprints and.	00:01:43
	Roadways.	00:01:46
	So let me pull up their site plan. So this was the original.	00:01:48
	Approval. Tree canopy sustainability.	00:01:52
	Those are the trees that are within the.	00:01:56
	Billable areas.	00:01:59
	And that were approved for removal.	00:02:00
	Did I put in the?	00:02:03
	Landscape Plan.	00:02:05
	There should be in here.	00:02:07
	And that group of photos that was included in the packet?	00:02:10
	For today are the.	00:02:14
	The new trees they want to take out.	00:02:16
	Yes. So it's.	00:02:21
	Specifically, would be the trees that are on the perimeter of the property.	00:02:22
	So 6789.	00:02:28
	14 is clearly within the where the road is.	00:02:30
	These ones are within the building footprints.	00:02:34
	This one is.	00:02:37
	So.	00:02:38
	That it likely is within the building footprint.	00:02:39
	These two are.	00:02:43
	The ones that are on the West side perimeter.	00:02:48
	And where a lot of the open spaces. So here's.	00:02:50
	Site plan without the tree overlay.	00:02:53
	And it doesn't look like that.	00:02:58
	Landscape.	00:03:01
	In there, let me.	00:03:02
	Pull that up.	00:03:04
	It wasn't clear to me from the packet and I didn't stand by today. Have any of the Trees Act already been removed?	00:03:06
	I don't there's, I don't think so. There's some pine trees up in the front that are.	00:03:16
	Are dead. They were in the.	00:03:21
	A site assessment by the.	00:03:26
	The tree removal company.	00:03:28
	Or who did the arborist assessment?	00:03:30
	OK.	00:03:38
	I think there was an issue with this size on the landscape plan.	00:03:47
	I didn't get in there.	00:03:50
	So remind me the ordinance.	00:04:07
	That lets them do this.	00:04:10
	Gives considerable deference to the.	00:04:12
	Arborist.	00:04:16
	For identifying which trees need to go and why.	00:04:19
	That arbors is not our arborist. It's.	00:04:25
	There are great.	00:04:28
	Be that as it may.	00:04:31
	The other tree situations we have like this, I mean it really hinged on.	00:04:33
	If there's evidence from the.	00:04:38
	Arborist that's.	00:04:42
	We tend to be kind of deferential to that.	00:04:43
	This arborist also is a tree removal company, is that correct?	00:04:49
	Yeah. And that would be typical.	00:04:54
	When you're starting.	00:04:56
	You know a tree removal that you'd have?	00:04:58
	A person who's associated with that tree removal company, who is an arborist, who's.	00:05:01
	Checking out the trees, assessing their health, seeing what trees would be.	00:05:06
	That should be kept or.	00:05:14
	Not be kept.	00:05:16
	And if I understood what we heard?	00:05:17
	Isn't Sequoia now the tree company rather than dining tree which is?	00:05:20
	Where they relied on.	00:05:25
	Now Sequoia is the Sequoia is the developer.	00:05:27
	OK. Yeah, that.	00:05:30
	It sounded like, I guess we'll see who shows up, but it sounded like it.	00:05:33
	This Sequoia has her own.	00:05:37
	Arbor is now.	00:05:39
	No, it's a different. I didn't get that impression. It's a different company.	00:05:41
	So they have a separate company that's doing the tree removal that provided the.	00:05:45
	Assessment.	00:05:49
	The letter that's in the packet was the original.	00:05:51
	Letter that we saw that was.	00:05:53
	What the previous approval is based on just trees that are within those?	00:05:55
	Building footprints and Rd. footprints were approved for.	00:06:01
	Removal, so that's why it came back for an amendment, is because there are trees that are outside of those footprints.	00:06:05
	That, uh.	00:06:11
	The Planning Commission would have to approve for.	00:06:12
	Additional renewal. Is this handled as a variance?	00:06:15
	No, it's part of the conditional use permit with the PUD.	00:06:18
	What are we looking at here in the landscape plan? OK, so this.	00:06:23
	Is.	00:06:28
	This is what they submitted for their.	00:06:30
	For their landscaping plan.	00:06:32
	And.	00:06:33
	It didn't get added into the packet, so we will.	00:06:36
	Look at.	00:06:42
	In there and Brad, what do we need to do on the?	00:06:43
	Procedural if this wasn't in like the.	00:06:47
	In the packet.	00:06:50
	But this is their landscaping plan.	00:06:52
	The landscaping plan. When I looked at this one, it didn't look like it had ever like that. You'd ever seen the landscape plan for	00:06:57
	what?	00:07:01
	Proposed.	00:07:06
	Replacement trees.	00:07:08
	Would be.	00:07:10
	So they list here what the.	00:07:12
	Affected tree canopy is.	00:07:16
	And.	00:07:18
	Replacement would be.	00:07:20
	OK.	00:07:28
	OK.	00:07:30
	Yes.	00:07:35
	Yeah, and we did get one e-mail comment that John sent over.	00:07:36
	So if they.	00:07:40
	Show up then we can go through some of those questions, but.	00:07:43
	Yeah, I think that this.	00:07:48
	This was a weird file that just didn't go into the packet and I didn't notice that well when I sent it.	00:07:49
	So this is their proposed replacement. So they have a lot of vegetation that they're putting here.	00:07:58
	As some smaller trees.	00:08:04
	This one.	00:08:06
	Will be a bigger tree that they'll.	00:08:07
	Put at the end of their fire, Turn around.	00:08:10
	A bigger tree here and a bigger tree here.	00:08:12
	This area is a stormwater retention area.	00:08:15
	I don't think there's any trees in that area right now.	00:08:20
	And then they have a big Willow tree here that they are proposed to keep.	00:08:24
	They're proposing to keep that one.	00:08:30
	Yeah, that might be a surprise to the developer.	00:08:32
	Well, it's a surprise to that one guy, but he didn't get it's this one.	00:08:35
	Yeah.	00:08:39
	So this one has the Do not disturb on it.	00:08:40
	Well that's confusing because it's a red X, but that is their.	00:08:44
	That one would.	00:08:49
	Would stay.	00:08:50
	OK.	00:08:52
	Oh, is that the?	00:08:54
	Root cavity at the base with major deadlims.	00:08:58
	I think so.	00:09:02
	That's about what it looks like.	00:09:03
	Cavity. Sorry.	00:09:05
	And that one may be that it's because it's.	00:09:08
	Toward the front of the site if there were significant issues with it later on.	00:09:10
	Than they could remove it.	00:09:15
	Without it, yeah.	00:09:16
	OK.	00:09:18
	Carrie, what do you have in the way of?	00:09:25
	Guidance for us for has something like this come before Planning Commission in the past?	00:09:27
	And what sorts of things have been?	00:09:34
	Done.	00:09:36
	Yeah, I think that there's.	00:09:37
	Kind of a continual.	00:09:40
	Question of tree quality or tree health. One of the intents of the tree canopy sustainability.	00:09:43
	Ordinance is to.	00:09:51
	Improve the tree canopy overtime.	00:09:54
	Replacing some older trees or diseased trees with.	00:09:57
	Newer degrees that then will.	00:10:01
	Kind of replenish.	00:10:04
	What the existing tree canopy is.	00:10:06
	So there's.	00:10:09
	That's I think that that can be accomplished.	00:10:10
	There's a continual kind of difficulty with site development.	00:10:15
	When you have trees that are maybe in questionable health.	00:10:19
	That then.	00:10:24
	Is easier to.	00:10:25
	Remove them later when you have, you know, 12 townhomes that are in there and.	00:10:27
	Versus now, so that's.	00:10:33
	From the developer side, that's likely.	00:10:34
	Easier to manage those trees.	00:10:37
	Now and then put in fresh landscaping.	00:10:39
	Fencing. I know that.	00:10:44
	A lot of those are right.	00:10:45
	Right on the border of.	00:10:46
	Have some properties so.	00:10:49
	They were.	00:10:52
	They were unsure as to if they were on their property and then when they did like all their surveying and things in their	00:10:56
	preliminary, that's when they're like, OK, these trees are within our.	00:11:00
	Our boundary and.	00:11:05
	Thus they be responsible for them.	00:11:07
	So OK.	00:11:09
	And the issues raised in the e-mail today.	00:11:11
	By the adjoining.	00:11:16
	The adjacent.	00:11:18
	Complex.	00:11:18
	The privacy and water drainage and.	00:11:21
	Blah blah. Whatever.	00:11:25
	Yeah, those. That strikes me as beyond our scope, right? Drainage is all managed with.	00:11:28
	Engineering. That's just.	00:11:33
	Typical ordinance anyway. Any drainage.	00:11:35
	From your property can't be.	00:11:38
	Drained onto neighboring properties.	00:11:40
	So that will be.	00:11:43
	You know, that's part of their engineering plans that.	00:11:44
	The drainage will be retained on site.	00:11:47
	Their main storm water retention, where they'll have.	00:11:49
	Their on site retention going to will be a.	00:11:54
	Area right here in the front.	00:11:58
	OK.	00:12:02
	So that will retain most of their.	00:12:04
	And they'll do their site grading so that everything goes to that, to that central area.	00:12:06
	Other questions with.	00:12:14
	Privacy.	00:12:17
	Typically any new development they're they're wanting to put.	00:12:19
	New trees into.	00:12:23
	For privacy for the.	00:12:25
	New residents Privacy against existing residents.	00:12:27
	Of course, it's going to be different once you have small trees versus your larger trees that are there.	00:12:30
	And I discussed it in the staff report a little bit, just the difference in land use and how that changes overtime because the.	00:12:38
	Existing glad use of just a small house that was on that site before there was so much open space and a lot of really big trees.	00:12:45
	So when you are redeveloping that and you have your fire access and your building footprints.	00:12:51
	It does have it will have a significant impact, but.	00:12:58
	Within the land rates of that.	00:13:02
	Property.	00:13:04
	Yeah. And I think that on the note of quality of trees that they were discussing before, it's that we don't have anything in our	00:13:12
	ordinance that is.	00:13:16
	That takes into account what quality trees are. It's just a blanket coverage of.	00:13:20
	All trees.	00:13:26
	And so then as the Commission, that's.	00:13:28
	Within your purview of.	00:13:30
	You know, are these.	00:13:33
	Does applicant have a?	00:13:36
	A case that that you feel adequately.	00:13:39
	Serves the tree canopy ordinance and the intents of a.	00:13:45
	PUD with open space.	00:13:49
	And the ordinance requires.	00:13:52
	Placement.	00:13:54
	One for one.	00:13:57
	But they can be like.	00:13:59
	2 inch caliper trees. It's based on canopy coverage. OK, what? What at maturity, canopy coverage would be right?	00:14:01
	Yes, so they have.	00:14:11
	On there I think it was.	00:14:13
	9000 existing.	00:14:16
	It's not detailed on here, but this is the replacement the 11,745 square feet.	00:14:21
	It's like 9000.	00:14:27
	200 or something.	00:14:29
	Yeah, so there I mean it's.	00:14:31
	It's taking some of those bigger trees that have a lot of canopy coverage.	00:14:32
	And it will be more.	00:14:38
	Dispersed into smaller trees.	00:14:39
	Which eventually grow, but.	00:14:44
	Yeah.	00:14:46
	So you'll get smaller trees along your perimeter where you've got.	00:14:47
	Some limited space.	00:14:51
	A little bit bigger trees in some of these open spaces.	00:14:53
	But yeah, just more dispersed.	00:14:56
	Can be type coverage instead of these bigger central ones.	00:14:58
	OK, Commissioners, anything else?	00:15:02
	Angela, you look like you've got questions. Oh, I just, I don't see where the open space is on this bud.	00:15:10
	So you know.	00:15:17
	They're squeezing a lot of stuff in there.	00:15:20
	Yeah, and that was just the difference of going from.	00:15:22
	It's a.	00:15:26
	It's zoned as multifamily so they are entitled to 12 units on there.	00:15:28
	I think they're still within their total.	00:15:32
	Lot coverage amount I think in our emits.	00:15:35
	You can cover up to 60% of a lot.	00:15:37
	Yeah, there was something on that landscaping plan that said that 40%.	00:15:41
	Yeah.	00:15:45
	Not.	00:15:47
	Let me build on or.	00:15:48
	But it doesn't count the planned Rd.	00:15:50
	Counts as not building.	00:15:53
	It's the road and the.	00:15:57
	The road discount is building.	00:16:00
	As.	00:16:03
	We Scroll down to the bottom of that page, the yellow stuff.	00:16:06
	Yeah, required 40% landscaping, not including tree canopy.	00:16:09
	OK.	00:16:14
	I think I'm just bothered by the clear intent to not.	00:16:15
	Keep any trees.	00:16:18
	Do you mean?	00:16:23
	Where the buildings are going to be.	00:16:24
	Anywhere. Uh.	00:16:25
	They weren't wondering, though.	00:16:26
	Oh well, no.	00:16:27
	I mean.	00:16:29
	Seems like they were not intending to.	00:16:30
	Keep the existing trees at all.	00:16:33
	Yeah. And that's you can discuss that with the applicant.	00:16:38
	Yeah, just ask him.	00:16:42
	And I think on this landscape, on the.	00:16:46
	Don't show the one up front as being retained, but it is.	00:16:48
	On their tree removal plan.	00:16:53
	Which is.	00:16:57
	I think it's this one.	00:16:58
	OK. Any other questions?	00:17:11
	Questions.	00:17:12
	OK, do we need a break, Commissioners?	00:17:18
	I'm good. We're ready to go.	00:17:22
	OK. Well, in three, probably early though.	00:17:25
	In 3 minutes we'll start then. So we have.	00:17:28
	We have a three minute.	00:17:31
	Break and then we'll start.	00:17:32
	Right at six.	00:17:34
	Ginger, will you read our?	00:17:39
	We're happy to have our city staff, Carrie Marsh and Brad.	00:17:43
	Christopherson legal counsel with us.	00:17:47
	And would like to excuse commissioners.	00:17:50
	Roach, Barrett and Font from our meeting tonight.	00:17:53
	We have one item in front of us, but before we.	00:17:57
	Hear that item? We have a statement that will be read by Commissioner Vilchinsky.	00:18:01
	The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volatile.	00:18:06
	Volunteer Citizen.	00:18:09
	Whose function is to review land use plans.	00:18:11
	And other special studies making recommendations to the City Council.	00:18:14
	On proposed zoning map and ordinance changes and approved conditional uses and subdivisions.	00:18:18
	The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications.	00:18:24
	Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted.	00:18:28
	Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings.	00:18:31
	Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda.	00:18:37
	Where the location, the nature of the neighborhood, existing structures and uses related to the proposed changes are noted.	00:18:41
	Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the professional planning staff.	00:18:48
	The city's general plan zoning ordinances.	00:18:54
	Other reports.	00:18:57
	By all verbal and written comments.	00:18:59
	And by evidence submitted.	00:19:01
	All of which are part of public record.	00:19:03
	Thank you.	00:19:06
	We will.	00:19:07
	Here tonight.	00:19:08
	One item which is a site plan modification of a PUD.	00:19:11
	The project is Highland Park, located at.	00:19:15
	4880 S Highland Circle.	00:19:18
	So let's see, tonight we will start with a.	00:19:23
	Brief introduction from city staff and then we will hear from our applicant.	00:19:25
	OK.	00:19:41
	OK. So this is a previously approved planned unit development subdivision in the RM zone, which is residential multifamily.	00:19:43
	At 4880 S Highland Circle.	00:19:54
	Previous land use was a.	00:19:57
	Home that was on the site that was used as a business for a long time.	00:20:00
	And so this is a shift between or to that.	00:20:04
	Or to have multifamily development.	00:20:09
	Previously approved with I believe 11 townhomes on it.	00:20:12
	The previous approval.	00:20:18
	Included uh.	00:20:20
	Umm, only trees to be removed that are impacted directly by building footprints and the road footprint that would be.	00:20:22
	Installed for fire access.	00:20:30
	As the applicant.	00:20:33
	Did their tree assessment as they started working towards site development.	00:20:35
	Their tree assessment involved.	00:20:39
	Some additional trees that are outside of that previous approval. So that's what we're looking at today.	00:20:43
	Primarily.	00:20:48
	Trees that are on the West.	00:20:50
	Side of the property perimeter and on the Northside of the property perimeter.	00:20:52
	Umm, their landscape plan.	00:20:58
	Did not.	00:21:03
	Upload into.	00:21:04
	The packet that was received, but I do have that.	00:21:06
	Included SO.	00:21:10
	We will review what is in their landscape plan.	00:21:11
	Total lot coverage for the.	00:21:14
	For the RM zone is 60% for buildings and roads with 40% landscaping.	00:21:17
	So they have that detailed in their application here.	00:21:24
	Also included.	00:21:27
	The tree canopy replacement plan.	00:21:30
	Is replacing I think it was roughly 9000, just over 9000 square feet of existing tree canopy that would be removed.	00:21:33
	To 11,000 square feet of tree canopy that would be replaced.	00:21:42
	So that's detailed on their site. This is the landscape plan that shows.	00:21:47
	The new trees that would be planted, smaller trees obviously in this narrow arrow.	00:21:52
	Area next to the road.	00:21:56
	And along the backside with some bigger trees throughout.	00:21:58
	The proposed removals.	00:22:02
	Let's jump over to.	00:22:07
	That one.	00:22:08
	So the tree removals were detailed.	00:22:18
	By the applicant and their application for the modification.	00:22:21
	This tree was originally going to be removed, but they are leaving that one. It's a larger Willow tree that's up on the front.	00:22:26
	East side of the property.	00:22:34
	And uh.	00:22:36
	The trees that are then affected.	00:22:37
	By the roadway building footprints or these kind of interior.	00:22:41
	Trees. Umm.	00:22:46
	The ones that are outside of that area.	00:22:48
	Are pretty close in.	00:22:50
	This along this strip so that's.	00:22:52
	Trees 987.	00:22:55
	And six and then these two on the West perimeter, which is 4:00 and 5:00.	00:22:57
	So those are good.	00:23:02
	Additional trees that are outside of the original approval that the Commission would be looking at today.	00:23:03
	The applicant provided a tree assessment by an arborist at Diamond Tree Experts.	00:23:10
	They detailed all of the trees that are on the site.	00:23:17
	And that was all included in the packet for.	00:23:21
	For review.	00:23:24
	I will have the applicant come up and they can go through the the trees that are on the site and some more details for you as	00:23:27
	well.	00:23:30
	Thank you.	00:23:35
	If you can state your name and address even though we.	00:23:40
	Have seen you before, that would be wonderful. Thank you.	00:23:43
	Alec Moffett with Sequoia development addresses 9055 S.	00:23:45
	1300 E Suite 104, Sandy, UT.	00:23:49
	Do you want me to go through the trees 1 by 1?	00:23:54
	Yeah, yeah.	00:23:58
	Yeah, take us through.	00:23:59
	All right, so.	00:24:01
	I can see this one a little bit better.	00:24:02
	Maybe Kerry, if you can zoom it a smidge.	00:24:05
	Number one.	00:24:09
	But #2 which was that Willow tree?	00:24:10
	I believe you guys did a site visit today.	00:24:14
	Two of us did OK.	00:24:17
	As originally on the list, we took it off the list because we know in the past.	00:24:20
	Pastimes and diamond trees stood up here.	00:24:25
	That was a big one that you guys wanted to keep.	00:24:27
	But it just keeps progressively getting worse and worse as far as health, especially with this hot summer we're having.	00:24:30
	Well, it's on the list of the ones that we'll try to save.	00:24:36
	But it's unlikely they'll survive through construction just.	00:24:40
	By leaving it there.	00:24:43
	So that one is a tough one.	00:24:47
	Number one.	00:24:48
	It's a group of pine trees that write.	00:24:49
	Smack in the middle of the.	00:24:51
	A building.	00:24:53
	Same as three, if you want to go to four, we should work our way. Left 14.	00:24:55
	It's a road Gentry in the middle of the road.	00:24:59
	987 and six, those are all ones that are on the Northside that I.	00:25:02
	I love and admire and I'm actually really sad that they died.	00:25:08
	9-8 and seven are pretty much dead.	00:25:11
	6 is 1 where it has a large root system that will be impacted severely by the road.	00:25:16
	And we diversify the.	00:25:21
	He does not.	00:25:24
	See it?	00:25:25
	Surviving. And so then it would just become.	00:25:25
	A hazard to.	00:25:28
	Anyone who lives there or parks?	00:25:29
	On the other side, there's some.	00:25:31
	Parking areas that could fall on the cars.	00:25:33
	Umm, 12.	00:25:36
	Brent Mill Road 11.	00:25:38
	It's kind of 5050.	00:25:40
	On exactly where it's going to be.	00:25:42
	But it's so close to building footprint that it would.	00:25:44
	Same thing.	00:25:47
	If it's not taken half the tree, it's taken the root system.	00:25:48
	And then four and five are ones that.	00:25:53
	We kind of want to play by ear.	00:25:55
	We want to get approval on them, but we want to approval to remove them, but we kind of want to save them.	00:25:56
	That makes sense.	00:26:01
	It's one of those where we'd love to save them. We want to keep as many trees as we can.	00:26:04
	The reason why we bought this property is because of all the large mature trees.	00:26:08
	It's just been unfortunate that over the past two years when this project has been on hold.	00:26:14
	They have not gotten any water.	00:26:18
	Or any care?	00:26:20
	And their health is all.	00:26:21
	Gotten really bad.	00:26:23
	So that's where.	00:26:25
	We're really only trying to take out trees.	00:26:26
	Sick or dying?	00:26:28
	Or going to be.	00:26:30
	Adversely affected by construction by either being completely removed where a building is going to be, or the root system will.	00:26:31
	And it'll end up killing the tree.	00:26:38
	That is.	00:26:42
	That's kind of tree by tree, so if you have any questions let me know.	00:26:44
	OK. Brad, is it appropriate for us to ask questions now or should we wait until we've heard public comment and then?	00:26:47
	Ask questions later.	00:26:55
	OK. Commissioners, is there anyone that's got a question that they'd like to address to our applicant at this moment?	00:26:56
	I do.	00:27:03
	OK. Just out of curiosity, you talked about how you wanted to.	00:27:04
	Hopefully keep these trees.	00:27:10
	Umm, were you all the ones that took the irrigation system out?	00:27:12
	Well, yeah, so we demoed, we demoed the home.	00:27:16
	Which and we took the meters off all the water, so the water does not work there.	00:27:20
	And right after we demoed it.	00:27:25
	Interest rates skyrocketed.	00:27:27
	Our initial plan.	00:27:30
	It did not pencil. We had to put a stop on construction immediately.	00:27:32
	Kind of felt out the market, I mean the market.	00:27:35
	This was like and we bought property really expensive 2022.	00:27:37
	2023 rolled in.	00:27:42
	And it was right as we got everything approved and the market was just like homes were not moving.	00:27:44
	Initially we wanted to price these pretty high.	00:27:50
	And so we had.	00:27:52
	You know, nicer finishes different construction.	00:27:53
	Since then, we.	00:27:56
	Spend, guys behind me spend.	00:27:57
	Countless hours trying to.	00:27:59
	Get the cost of these.	00:28:00
	Homes down so they could be reasonably affordable too.	00:28:02
	Knocking $200,000 off the purchase price.	00:28:06
	And that's made it where we believe we can sell them in the.	00:28:10
	And the project can move forward.	00:28:12
	During that time, unfortunately, yes, no water.	00:28:14
	Got to the trees of them what fell from the sky?	00:28:17
	And we do live in a desert, so.	00:28:19
	They were not having a good time.	00:28:21
	OK.	00:28:24
	But.	00:28:28
	I mean, we are developers, we do like to improve the land we're on.	00:28:30
	So the trees that we'll be replacing.	00:28:34
	We are significantly increasing the canopy that's there now.	00:28:35
	Or the canopy that was listed.	00:28:39
	Was the canopy of them being healthy and full?	00:28:41
	There's a lot of debt trees in there that have their canopies 0 right now, so that number could be much less.	00:28:45
	But we're doing what was.	00:28:50
	And we're improving it beyond what was.	00:28:52
	OK.	00:28:55
	Any other?	00:28:58
	Thoughts at this point?	00:29:00
	All right. Thank you. We appreciate your presentation.	00:29:03
	Thank you.	00:29:05
	This is an item with a public hearing and so at this point we will open the public hearing.	00:29:07
	And invite members of the public that are here that would like to speak on this issue.	00:29:13
	To come up you can take up to 3 minutes.	00:29:18
	Please give your name and your address at the beginning.	00:29:22
	State your points and.	00:29:27
	If someone's made the same point that you're going to make.	00:29:29
	Please don't.	00:29:32
	We only need to hear it once and.	00:29:33
	But we are happy to hear.	00:29:36
	All the comments that the public has that are relevant to this issue, so we'll open that.	00:29:38
	Public hearing right now.	00:29:43
	My name is Joseph Amici.	00:29:53
	My address is 4828 S Highland Circle, apartment 303.	00:29:55
	I live in the Chateau Ferret.	00:30:00
	Condominium complex which directly abuts this property to the north.	00:30:02
	So you're just north of the property.	00:30:07
	Yes, thank you.	00:30:09
	Speaking in favor of these.	00:30:12
	Proposed changes. Currently there are some.	00:30:13
	Nice mature trees on this property, but it is.	00:30:17
	Currently a unsightly pile of dirt.	00:30:20
	Anything that can be done to expedite the building process, including the proposed changes with the replacement canopy trees I.	00:30:23
	Would support.	00:30:31
	As a side note.	00:30:33
	I would like.	00:30:36
	I would appreciate anything that the developer can do to.	00:30:37
	Maintain the property.	00:30:41
	In the interim before construction begins as it is.	00:30:43
	Unsightly, full of garbage, and covered in abandoned traffic cones. Thank you.	00:30:46
	OK. Thank you very much.	00:30:52
	All right.	00:30:55
	Do we have another member of the public who would like to speak?	00:30:56
	OK.	00:31:04
	Hi, Kevin Ludlow.	00:31:07
	9055 S 1300 E Sweet.	00:31:09
	104 I'm with Sequoia Development I.	00:31:12
	The founder of Sequoia Development.	00:31:17
	I appreciate the comments from the gentleman before it came to my attention that maybe you don't know who we are.	00:31:19
	We love Holiday City.	00:31:26
	I live in Holiday city.	00:31:28
	We developed the.	00:31:31
	Hyatt Place.	00:31:33
	High place up there.	00:31:35
	Bandits Restaurant.	00:31:37
	The powerhouse ski shop.	00:31:39
	So.	00:31:43
	We're very familiar with holiday. We also did Holiday row right behind the the old Days hardware.	00:31:44
	Some brownstone.	00:31:49
	Residential.	00:31:51
	Units that you may be seen in Hadley Pines just east of that so.	00:31:53
	We love being in holiday. We appreciate.	00:31:57
	Being here and.	00:32:01
	Thanks for your consideration.	00:32:03
	Thank you.	00:32:06
	Thank you.	00:32:07
	Any other members of the public?	00:32:11
	All right. Well, we appreciate those of you that have spoken and at this point we will.	00:32:15
	Go ahead and close the public hearing.	00:32:20
	Let's just mention for the record, there was an e-mail submitted today that Carrie I believe will be included as part of the.	00:32:27
	The public comment.	00:32:35
	Yes, that will be.	00:32:37
	Noted in our minutes. Just some general questions from.	00:32:40
	From a resident nearby just.	00:32:46
	Asking about what the plans were for the tree removal.	00:32:50
	Perimeter trees and then drainage issues.	00:32:54
	And happy to address those with that with that resident too.	00:32:57
	OK. Thank you.	00:33:01
	All right. So at this point, I think we're ready for some.	00:33:02
	Discussion.	00:33:05
	Between the Commissioners.	00:33:06
	Can we ask the arborist a question though? Is the arborist here?	00:33:08
	All right, well, why don't you ask Alec and just see what he knows? Alec, welcome back up.	00:33:14
	Yeah, I I just want to make sure I understood that.	00:33:19
	What's really going to happen to that Willow?	00:33:23
	At the east side, the east, northeast side.	00:33:26
	And then so didn't we specifically require that that stay in?	00:33:30
	Are you asking now for that not to stay in?	00:33:35
	I'm asking for approval to take it out if needed.	00:33:38
	That's my request I know on.	00:33:41
	On the application we crossed out.	00:33:43
	But.	00:33:45
	Going by and looking at it recently.	00:33:46
	Since I submitted that.	00:33:48
	And looking at our grading range plan.	00:33:50
	It's just document we have to vote on.	00:33:53
	Show the will not accurate.	00:33:56
	I mean if I have to give them a little bike, keeping it.	00:33:58
	And then we take it out in two years. Once dead then.	00:34:00
	Are you asking about the landscape plan, Commissioner? Yeah, from the landscape plan, you know the.	00:34:05
	One we have with the Big X there to make sure we didn't take that Willow tree out.	00:34:11
	And now is the new.	00:34:16
	Landscaping plan.	00:34:19
	Does that include taking the Willow out?	00:34:21
	Yes. So this landscaping plan does not show the Willow tree in it. So I think that.	00:34:25
	If you approve this site plan.	00:34:29
	Or the landscaping plan.	00:34:32
	That, umm.	00:34:33
	That accounts for that.	00:34:35
	Removal.	00:34:37
	I just wanted to clarify that because.	00:34:39
	It's different again.	00:34:42
	Yeah. And and we can, you can modify input conditions that you decide within the meeting that's there's space for that in your	00:34:45
	conditions or findings.	00:34:49
	Any modifications that you'd wish to make?	00:34:55
	So since we didn't see the landscape plan before because it was too big or whatever it was for whatever reason.	00:34:57
	If we wanted to say.	00:35:04
	We want to, really.	00:35:07
	Big tree there and we want it to start as a.	00:35:08
	Big tree, and we don't want it to be a little one that's gonna grow to be a big tree. We want a big one to start. Can we do that?	00:35:11
	How big?	00:35:17
	Well, I'm not asking you, I'm asking Brad and Carrie if we can do that as a Commission.	00:35:19
	As a condition.	00:35:23
	I don't believe the tree ordinance talks about.	00:35:25
	Big trees and it's not defined. I think it says.	00:35:27
	The caliber.	00:35:30
	If I remember correctly, carried. Maybe you have it more fresh in your mind.	00:35:31
	Right, it's the replacement trees.	00:35:35
	Need to be 1 1/2 inch caliper as a replacement.	00:35:37
	But really, it's looking at the mature canopy size.	00:35:42
	So as we were talking about in our work meeting, that can be dispersed into smaller trees or or a larger tree, but that.	00:35:45
	It isn't a larger, more open space that.	00:35:53
	Would be.	00:35:56
	Appropriate for a larger tree.	00:35:57
	But that is also the.	00:36:00
	The developers.	00:36:02
	The per personal choice.	00:36:03
	Yes.	00:36:04
	It also appears in the site plan that.	00:36:08
	This is uh.	00:36:12
	Here it's saying four and five might.	00:36:13
	Be saved, but in the site plan they're not.	00:36:15
	Those are not trees four and five, I don't think.	00:36:18
	Those are different, so yeah.	00:36:22
	But.	00:36:25
	So the hope is that they would be saved.	00:36:27
	Yeah, but we would be approving.	00:36:29
	That they would.	00:36:31
	So.	00:36:34
	Commissioners, my recommendation is.	00:36:41
	That you.	00:36:43
	Consider this plan as if they're not going to be saved.	00:36:45
	Yeah, then nobody's going to be disappointed.	00:36:48
	And when we do save them, you guys will love us.	00:36:52
	I mean that that that is one way to look at it.	00:36:57
	Yeah.	00:36:59
	So it appears that there are essentially no original trees.	00:37:01
	Because the Willow.	00:37:06
	Sounds like it's on its way up.	00:37:08
	Yeah, this was a plant. I believe this was this landscape plan. I don't know if it included any of the actual existing trees. I	00:37:11
	believe it was just a planting.	00:37:14
	Plan like these are all trees that we're going to be adding.	00:37:18
	So on top of the existing.	00:37:21
	Canopy that's already there.	00:37:23
	Be adding the 11,000 square feet.	00:37:24
	But I don't think any of the trees are.	00:37:27
	Slated for.	00:37:29
	Continued to exist.	00:37:32
	There's a lot of trees that are there that are not included.	00:37:36
	Yeah, I mean just from.	00:37:40
	Walking out there, there were a lot. There's there.	00:37:42
	That weren't tagged or weren't spray painted.	00:37:45
	When there's of this property is litter with trees. I mean that's why we bought it.	00:37:49
	So there's, yeah.	00:37:54
	Quite a bit of trees that are still there, plus these.	00:37:55
	And the idea was it's gonna be a very private.	00:37:57
	Secluded.	00:38:00
	In the full community.	00:38:01
	As many trees as we can pack on there.	00:38:03
	Do we have a number of How many original trees are staying?	00:38:06
	And again, I wish I knew.	00:38:11
	I only count the ones that were leaving. I never counted the ones that were staying.	00:38:15
	OK.	00:38:21
	All right. Thoughts.	00:38:22
	I mean, it sounds like we can't.	00:38:27
	Mandate a really big tree, which is what my instinct would like.	00:38:30
	But I recognize that.	00:38:35
	That may not be a fair.	00:38:36
	We can only do slash legal things to do, which seems a shame, but.	00:38:38
	We do want Brad to be able to.	00:38:43
	Goodwill of the developer.	00:38:45
	That's right.	00:38:47
	I think my thought is at this point.	00:38:52
	The Arbor.	00:38:54
	Our breasts. A wrist report.	00:38:56
	Is not very.	00:38:59
	Optimistic in terms of.	00:39:01
	Of keeping any of these trees, certainly the pictures showed some.	00:39:03
	Some or you know the ones listed.	00:39:08
	Some serious.	00:39:10
	And real health issues.	00:39:12
	It just seems like.	00:39:15
	That I think with some foresight that could have been prevented.	00:39:18
	Knowing that these trees would need water for a couple of years, if I had a crystal ball I would have for sure.	00:39:23
	Unfortunate lack of.	00:39:29
	Planning plan.	00:39:30
	It may suggest to us in the future that we require them to continue watering.	00:39:31
	The trees continue water in the site attempting to train. I mean we take.	00:39:36
	I want in a.	00:39:41
	Piece of property that's irrigated.	00:39:42
	You couldn't continue irrigating even if you took the building down.	00:39:45
	That's something we ought to consider for.	00:39:49
	I mean, we clearly can't come a thought this, a thought plan and say who does?	00:39:53
	Many times and I've literally sat on a project with a fire hose.	00:39:58
	Watering trees for hours on end.	00:40:02
	Because we wanted to save trees.	00:40:04
	Our company name is Sequoia Development. We love trees.	00:40:07
	I've done it. The guys behind me have all sat in the lawn chair with a big old fire hose watering trees.	00:40:12
	So right there would, yeah, if we would have known that this would keep getting dragged out on.	00:40:17
	And on and on.	00:40:22
	And we thought we were going to start in two months for like.	00:40:23
	Two years now, yeah.	00:40:26
	It's just, it was just.	00:40:27
	Yeah.	00:40:29
	Well, we'll cross our fingers for a fire hose the next go around.	00:40:31
	And I can add that when you are dealing with demolition and you're having your power meters removed or your water meter removed,	00:40:36
	there's no way to get water to the site. So.	00:40:41
	Once the water meter is disconnected.	00:40:47
	Then it makes it that much more difficult to get water to the site.	00:40:49
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.	00:40:52
	Yeah.	00:40:54
	That'll make sense. It's.	00:40:56
	Just the situation.	00:40:58
	All right, Commissioners, are we ready to?	00:41:00
	Let's start here.	00:41:06
	You ready to move?	00:41:07
	Towards something.	00:41:09
	I, I think so I think at this point.	00:41:10
	Approving the.	00:41:12
	The new.	00:41:14
	Or that you know this.	00:41:16
	I don't know it is, but.	00:41:18
	This site.	00:41:19
	Plan makes sense, I think it.	00:41:21
	You know, overtime.	00:41:24
	Things will grow.	00:41:26
	Are there any conditions that you would?	00:41:27
	Be inclined to.	00:41:29
	Suggest umm.	00:41:31
	Besides, what's in the?	00:41:33
	Report.	00:41:34
	Noodle on that while we see if Commissioner Wilchinski has any thoughts.	00:41:37
	Or Commissioner Cunningham.	00:41:42
	That would be it, just.	00:41:43
	I don't know if it.	00:41:45
	Does this any good?	00:41:49
	Try and encourage them to keep.	00:41:51
	4:00 and 5:00.	00:41:53
	I think we can encourage.	00:41:56
	All we want.	00:41:58
	And we can look really with really nice puppy dog eyes and.	00:41:59
	Plead for 4:00 and 5:00.	00:42:04
	Yeah, because it saves you money if you don't have to cut it down.	00:42:08
	30 grown mature trees. We like that.	00:42:14
	All right, Commissioner Cunningham, any other thoughts or conditions?	00:42:17
	Commissioner Volcenski.	00:42:21
	No, I'm just.	00:42:25
	What kind of trees are we going to be putting in there?	00:42:27
	Do we have?	00:42:31
	Carrie, can you go through those with us since?	00:42:34
	I can't read that.	00:42:37
	Even with my.	00:42:40
	OK.	00:42:42
	So these junipers looked like they were on the South side of the property, on the backside of some townhomes.	00:42:44
	OK, umm.	00:42:49
	These are your bigger trees.	00:42:51
	Here I believe. Let's see.	00:42:53
	Well, bigger trees at 2 inch calipers, yeah. And then these are?	00:42:58
	These are the smaller icons or.	00:43:03
	Symbols are your.	00:43:05
	Smaller shrubs that will then fill in.	00:43:07
	Let's go back to the trees Are these.	00:43:12
	2 inch.	00:43:15
	Right, right, right. Oh yeah.	00:43:18
	Yeah, yeah.	00:43:20
	Yep. So it looks like a Maple.	00:43:21
	This ginkgo should.	00:43:23
	Is a great.	00:43:25
	Large tree.	00:43:27
	Slow growing, but they do really well in Utah.	00:43:29
	And dry climates.	00:43:33
	Crab Bowl.	00:43:35
	And oak linen. So there's a lot of diversity in the trees, which I think is great.	00:43:36
	And obviously they'll.	00:43:41
	As a developer who has had experience with landscaping and all that there.	00:43:44
	Making their.	00:43:49
	Tree selections based off of this site too.	00:43:50
	Is there? Is there turf? Is this speckly stuffed?	00:43:54
	And landscaping wise, they can't do any grass areas that is less than 8 feet wide.	00:44:01
	And that's in our.	00:44:07
	Landscape Ordinance.	00:44:08
	So these are always the scale on this. How big are those?	00:44:09
	OK, so that's why.	00:44:12
	Probably.	00:44:15
	Mulch around plants and where it gets really narrow by the roadway.	00:44:15
	Yeah, OK.	00:44:19
	All right.	00:44:20
	I mean they could consider no grass.	00:44:22
	Think about it.	00:44:25
	I don't know. I'm not sure we're ready to revisit this again.	00:44:27
	All right. Well then, commissioners.	00:44:31
	At this point.	00:44:35
	I think we're ready to.	00:44:36
	Might get the proverbial show on the road and.	00:44:40
	And hopefully get some action going on this property soon.	00:44:43
	Saved trees that are there. So do we have anyone who would be interested in?	00:44:47
	Making a motion for us this evening.	00:44:53
	I'd be happy to give me just a second and I'll pull it up and.	00:44:56
	OK.	00:44:59
	And we can't make it a condition, but we can make a really good suggestion.	00:45:03
	Yay trees. OK.	00:45:08
	I Commissioner Wilchinski motion for approval of a site amendment to the Highland Park plans unit development a residential.	00:45:14
	11 Unit development within the RN zone located at 4880 S Highland Circle.	00:45:22
	Finding that the proposal complies with the allowed.	00:45:28
	Land uses.	00:45:31
	For the RM zone.	00:45:33
	No changes are being made to any of the previous approvals for the PUD.	00:45:35
	Replacement tree canopy.	00:45:39
	Coverage provides for the future preservation and enhancement of desirable site characteristics.	00:45:42
	And we don't have any.	00:45:48
	Umm, conditions.	00:45:52
	Oh, with the following conditions.	00:45:53
	That the tree.	00:45:56
	Removals are only as designated.	00:45:58
	That replacement trees to be planted as shown.	00:46:02
	Significant deviations must be once again approved by the Planning Commission.	00:46:05
	And although we're not going to call it a condition, we strongly urge you.	00:46:10
	To try to keep.	00:46:15
	Those trees, 4:00 and 5:00.	00:46:17
	On that back into the property.	00:46:19
	All right, Commissioner Bill Schinsky, do you want to include?	00:46:22
	Two in that as well the front one.	00:46:25
	The Willow, yes, also.	00:46:28
	To that big Willow.	00:46:30
	At the front of the property there.	00:46:32
	If that, can it all be saved? Not a condition, but we would really like that saved if possible.	00:46:34
	OK. I second the motion.	00:46:41
	All right, thank you. We'll call for a vote, Commissioner Cunningham.	00:46:42
	Aye, Commissioner Belchinski.	00:46:45
	Hi, Commissioner Gong.	00:46:47
	Aye, and Chair votes aye the motion.	00:46:49
	Passes for your.	00:46:52
	Site plan modification and.	00:46:53
	Good luck to the you and the trees.	00:46:57
	And we'll look for some action to happen there.	00:46:59
	All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate the public being here and hopefully.	00:47:01
	Have things happening?	00:47:07
	There for you.	00:47:09
	Our next scheduled meeting.	00:47:11
	Kerry is when?	00:47:13
	We will be holding our next meeting on July 15.	00:47:16
	We'll have the Hinckley Subdivision PUD back at that time.	00:47:20
	OK, so not next week.	00:47:25
	I will be out of town on the 15th just.	00:47:27
	Heads up.	00:47:29
	Oh, 15.	00:47:30
	Maybe I'll still be here.	00:47:33
	I don't know, but OK, all right. And with I will also be out of town.	00:47:34
	OK, and cannot join electronically.	00:47:39
	OK, OK.	00:47:42
	I will.	00:47:44
	Survey the Commissioners before we. We will make sure that.	00:47:47
	Will have at least 4 here.	00:47:51
	If there's not going to be 4 here.	00:47:54
	Possibly moving that to the.	00:47:58
	Following week.	00:48:01
	Umm, holding it on the first, which is going to be a little too soon for them.	00:48:02
	Yeah, umm.	00:48:06
	OK. All right.	00:48:07
	Well, with that, we will adjourn our meeting this evening. Thank you.	00:48:09
	We need a motion.	00:48:13
	Aye, a motion to close.	00:48:15
	We need a motion to do. We have a motion. We adjourn.	00:48:19
	OK, all in favor.	00:48:22
	Aye, a German, thank you.	00:48:24
	Again, this train here straight and narrow.	00:48:27
	This is it for.	00:48:31
	Oh, this is it for Ginger.	00:48:33