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	Good afternoon and welcome to the Holiday city planning.	00:00:00
	Commission work session.	00:00:04
	It is 534 on September 2nd, 2025. We have all Commissioners in attendance except our newest 1 Commissioner.	00:00:06
	Tripany.	00:00:15
	Trypani is not with us.	00:00:17
	And we have council and city staff, Miss Marsh. So with that we have.	00:00:19
	4 items on the agenda.	00:00:26
	Wait a minute.	00:00:29
	Five items on the agenda.	00:00:31
	But there's a recognition of service award for commissioner.	00:00:33
	Former Commissioner Bill Chinsky.	00:00:36
	I don't know what that is. Is she coming? Do we have something arranged?	00:00:39
	I've it will just be a.	00:00:43
	Recognition.	00:00:46
	All right, I didn't plan a speech or anything, so.	00:00:48
	I'll do the best I can and wing that.	00:00:51
	And then we have the public hearing for the McDonald.	00:00:53
	David McDonald, Historic Home and then three.	00:00:57
	Different things for Amare Vita.	00:01:01
	So with that.	00:01:04
	Tell us about the David MacDonald House.	00:01:06
	OK, really quick note to when I was looking at the.	00:01:10
	Staff report for.	00:01:15
	Items number 23.	00:01:18
	Forward realized that I didn't put the most current one in the packet.	00:01:19
	So.	00:01:25
	I'll have the current one up on the screen.	00:01:26
	And you all have a printed copy of the current one.	00:01:29
	The changes.	00:01:32
	Are on page.	00:01:35
	Three, there's some emissions.	00:01:37
	About variance.	00:01:40
	Page 6 emissions about a variance and page 7.	00:01:42
	So it's just taking out references to a variance.	00:01:46
	The new packet. That or staff report.	00:01:50
	UMM is discussing.	00:01:54
	Lot width and.	00:01:57
	A definition in our code.	00:01:59
	For exceptions to lot width.	00:02:01
	So we'll go over that once we get to that item, but that is.	00:02:03
	Kind of the change out and difference in the staff report.	00:02:06
	And I have the old.	00:02:09
	Up on the screen too, and then the.	00:02:12
	The new one too, so I'll show you specifically where those.	00:02:14
	Changes were made.	00:02:18
	OK. All right.	00:02:20
	So item number one, we'll start there.	00:02:22
	Or, umm.	00:02:25
	I guess it's actually #2 since we're skipping.	00:02:25
	My agenda has misnumbered.	00:02:29
	Items here because we've got Commissioner Bill Chinsky in there.	00:02:31
	And my screen is being.	00:02:35
	Very strange.	00:02:37
	OK, there we go.	00:02:39
	I think it's a chord.	00:02:41
	Way to go, you broke it.	00:02:51
	All right, how about you?	00:02:59
	Good, yeah.	00:03:01
	Missed you.	00:03:03
	I'm pretty sure we've gone off the rails entirely.	00:03:07
	I I.	00:03:11
	Tootsie rolls on my.	00:03:24
	Let me try reconnecting and see if that fixes it.	00:03:27
	There's no sign.	00:03:33
	In Africa Africa was in March.	00:03:44
	This most recent trip was just Hawaii.	00:03:48
	So I was I.	00:03:51
	Just Hawaii.	00:03:54
	Which island?	00:04:01
	Big.	00:04:02
	Of it I'm still to my.	00:04:04
	Aloha logo.	00:04:08
	At the Hawaiian 5 or Dime or whatever they call those tourist tours.	00:04:10
	Not this time. You did it.	00:04:18
	It's cool.	00:04:23
	Very cool.	00:04:24
	Are they like the Steve Irwin kind of manta rays? Like are there mortal pair?	00:04:27
	So.	00:04:32
	And they come around, you come watch them.	00:04:35
	How big are the Stingrays?	00:04:39
	What's the difference?	00:04:46
	I don't know.	00:04:47
	Just the little thing on the end of it that will kill you.	00:04:48
	Side.	00:04:51
	Oh, are they?	00:04:53
	You're attracted to the light.	00:04:57
	So you watch them at night? Did you do that?	00:04:59
	We did it.	00:05:02
	It's pretty cool.	00:05:03
	I've tried it and I just fall off her.	00:05:09
	Well.	00:05:17
	Sounds intense.	00:05:19
	It's been way too difficult.	00:05:20
	Good for you. Thanks a lot.	00:05:24
	If you know any good garage door guys let me know. I got 3 beds coming out this week.	00:05:43
	So you're working for well.	00:05:49
	It's old and beat up and.	00:05:54
	Monarch.	00:05:58
	Yeah.	00:06:02
	For surface repair or like.	00:06:03
	Probably both.	00:06:06
	There we go.	00:06:07
	Like Francesco Door or something?	00:06:17
	And we're back.	00:06:19
	I don't know why it struggles sometimes.	00:06:22
	All right, so let's go through.	00:06:25
	Our historical.	00:06:28
	Use and modifications item. This one is on.	00:06:30
	4659 S Highland Drive.	00:06:36
	This is the David McDonald House who was just added to the city code as a historical property on Thursday at City Council.	00:06:40
	And the new property owner.	00:06:48
	Is looking to use that.	00:06:51
	Location as a.	00:06:54
	Custom jewelry shop.	00:06:55
	And.	00:06:57
	So making some modifications and then also the the use is what the conditional use.	00:06:59
	Wouldn't tell the key.	00:07:04
	Part of the staff report is director John Terry.	00:07:07
	Review and recommendation.	00:07:12
	He goes through each of the levels of review on historical.	00:07:14
	Uses and modifications.	00:07:17
	Pretty detailed on there.	00:07:20
	The one that you may have.	00:07:25
	Questions on is this tall freeze element? I was not sure what that was myself but it is the trim piece.	00:07:27
	That is.	00:07:34
	Underneath umm.	00:07:35
	The soffit.	00:07:37
	I'll point it out.	00:07:43
	Picture here.	00:07:44
	So this term piece here.	00:07:49
	Like an exterior crown molding.	00:07:54
	Yeah, exterior Chrome.	00:07:56
	That's a good way to put it.	00:07:59
	So you can see it in the recent ones, but then also in the.	00:08:02
	Historical photos as well.	00:08:05
	A little bit less intense.	00:08:07
	On the original.	00:08:10
	And then possible.	00:08:12
	Built up overtime.	00:08:13
	So.	00:08:15
	The three items that.	00:08:17
	That John noted in his review.	00:08:23
	Were the addition of the rear porch.	00:08:26
	This second level edition.	00:08:30
	That would be the sun room.	00:08:32
	Area that's up above the.	00:08:34
	Addition.	00:08:36
	And that the freeze.	00:08:38
	Frisee from the upper.	00:08:39
	And then the scale of the column supporting the front porch.	00:08:42
	You can discuss those items with the applicant.	00:08:45
	And.	00:08:50
	Did you say this?	00:08:55
	Was sorry you say this was.	00:08:56
	Approved, Uh.	00:08:58
	As a historical building.	00:08:59
	In the last meeting of City Council.	00:09:01
	Yes.	00:09:04
	So our.	00:09:05
	Our code for historical buildings.	00:09:06
	Our historical sites.	00:09:10
	There wasn't a way to designate new buildings to.	00:09:13
	Our site designation list.	00:09:18
	So that was one of the changes that was made in the code modifications for historical site preservation.	00:09:20
	What was it earlier this year?	00:09:28
	So, and that is one of the.	00:09:30
	Homes that.	00:09:35
	Designated in the general plan is called out.	00:09:36
	It's already been on the National.	00:09:39
	Historic Register.	00:09:42
	So it was.	00:09:44
	Supported for the designation.	00:09:45
	So now that it's added into the code.	00:09:48
	In the historical sites.	00:09:50
	Now it's eligible for.	00:09:53
	Conditional use.	00:09:55
	So kind of the process to get it designated first.	00:09:57
	So then it's eligible for.	00:10:00
	Use and modification.	00:10:01
	So to clarify, what conditional use does that historic designation that it just got?	00:10:03
	Permit under.	00:10:09
	What we're going through like.	00:10:12
	Could it have not have just been a jewelry store in an old building without it?	00:10:14
	Yes, because it is.	00:10:18
	Zoned as RM.	00:10:20
	This is the similar to the other historic property that we've done a conditional use on.	00:10:22
	It's typically easier to go through a.	00:10:27
	Designation and the historic.	00:10:32
	Modification Conditional use permit.	00:10:36
	Rather than rezoning it to.	00:10:38
	That was an option that the property owner had available.	00:10:41
	But encouraged by staff to go through the historic.	00:10:45
	Site Preservation.	00:10:48
	OK. Thank you for clarifying.	00:10:49
	So there are no flight on.	00:10:52
	Site modific.	00:10:56
	Is really just the exterior of the building.	00:10:57
	Second level edition.	00:11:00
	Porch, ADA ramp and then some landscaping modifications.	00:11:02
	A gated entrance.	00:11:08
	At the front.	00:11:09
	And I think there was a one tree removal.	00:11:14
	In the front, yes. Yes there are.	00:11:16
	There were two pine trees up in the front that were removed.	00:11:20
	So just some replacement of those. They can be either on site or off site, whatever the.	00:11:24
	The Commission would.	00:11:29
	Would like to.	00:11:31
	Choose with the applicant.	00:11:33
	So we have to call that out in the.	00:11:37
	As part of the.	00:11:39
	Application uh.	00:11:41
	It's anytime you have an application.	00:11:42
	If there's modifications or tree removals, it requires a tree replacement.	00:11:44
	The applicant may have plans to put trees in the front yard.	00:11:52
	Or they.	00:11:56
	They may like to have up to half of the.	00:11:57
	Replacement trays required located off site.	00:12:00
	So if they had two that were required, they could replace one off site.	00:12:03
	Any other questions around?	00:12:14
	OK, I think we're ready to roll into the.	00:12:16
	The 234 items.	00:12:20
	OK. Or I guess 345 depending on how you number?	00:12:22
	And this one should be familiar.	00:12:29
	Had it as discussion items in our last agenda.	00:12:32
	Or our last meeting.	00:12:36
	Let me get to that location.	00:12:39
	OK.	00:12:58
	So this is the packet with the old.	00:13:00
	Information in it.	00:13:02
	This is the part that.	00:13:04
	Talks about the variance.	00:13:08
	That is removed in the modified 1.	00:13:10
	And then these couple of points.	00:13:14
	And.	00:13:17
	The approval this one.	00:13:21
	So at this point.	00:13:24
	And.	00:13:26
	This one.	00:13:29
	So those are all removed.	00:13:30
	This is the.	00:13:32
	Updated.	00:13:33
	So we'll just jump over to that.	00:13:34
	OK.	00:13:47
	I think we're all pretty clear on the process for this. It will be 3 public hearings.	00:13:49
	Concepts of division first.	00:13:55
	And then second will be the.	00:13:57
	Planned unit development.	00:13:59
	Conditional use, that's where.	00:14:00
	Most of the content is.	00:14:02
	And then the final will be incorporating the PUD elements into the preliminary plat.	00:14:04
	Probably most helpful to go through some of the PUD elements. Are there questions on those from?	00:14:11
	The last meeting.	00:14:18
	And then possibly on the.	00:14:20
	Concept subdivision as well.	00:14:22
	So let's go to. Let's start with that concept subdivision.	00:14:29
	And the change that was made.	00:14:33
	It is in.	00:14:38
	Area and.	00:14:44
	Some standards.	00:14:51
	OK, so this is the note on lot width.	00:14:56
	So the lot width is reduced from 100 feet due to significant trees and streams and floodplains.	00:14:59
	This is the definition of lot width and 13.04 point 040.	00:15:06
	Lotwith is based off the.	00:15:12
	Diameter of the largest circle that can be inscribed entirely within a lot.	00:15:14
	The lot which circles should not include streams, floodplains, wetlands, areas of 30% slower, greater or other natural.	00:15:19
	Hazard areas.	00:15:26
	Or a significant tree.	00:15:28
	Significantly.	00:15:31
	So.	00:15:33
	There is.	00:15:35
	Concepts of division layout that shows is overlaid on.	00:15:38
	Their tree plan.	00:15:44
	So those two things were.	00:15:46
	Merged together.	00:15:48
	So with the significant trees on there and then the.	00:15:55
	Waterway.	00:15:59
	Where the basis of reducing the lot width from 100 feet.	00:16:01
	To I think there's a range of 89 to 92 1/2.	00:16:05
	Feet. They're still meeting the front.	00:16:11
	Or the lot frontage.	00:16:14
	The overall width.	00:16:18
	It seems like they need to take one lot out of there to make it kind of work a little better.	00:16:25
	Looks like everything is kind of just jammed in there and it.	00:16:30
	Doesn't really add to the.	00:16:34
	The organic nature of what you're trying to create.	00:16:36
	Right. And that's.	00:16:40
	Where it has enough land area.	00:16:41
	For each of the lots.	00:16:44
	All meeting the.	00:16:47
	One acre size.	00:16:48
	The natural features on there with the trees and the.	00:16:50
	And the waterway is then what is reducing those lot with standards?	00:16:55
	To 92 ish on average from.	00:17:00
	100.	00:17:05
	But you can see that with the setbacks drawn on there.	00:17:07
	There isn't a practical building lot.	00:17:10
	That kind of.	00:17:14
	Defeats the.	00:17:15
	Point of dream.	00:17:16
	That they can do this but.	00:17:20
	So within the 92.	00:17:23
	As long as they build the building.	00:17:26
	Within that 92 circle with it, whatever it is, 510 foot set back on the side yard.	00:17:28
	Then they're still in compliance with.	00:17:34
	Oops, what's on there, right?	00:17:37
	Right with the LOT standards.	00:17:38
	I think the city has done a great job in trying to maintain the character here and I'd like to see.	00:17:43
	This subdivision kind of embraces.	00:17:47
	More of that idea rather than.	00:17:50
	Having a lot of different homes.	00:17:52
	That could be right next to each other.	00:17:55
	They would kind of look kind of odd.	00:17:57
	But I'll be quiet now.	00:17:59
	Yeah, I think that.	00:18:04
	Then that leads into.	00:18:05
	Some of the intent behind a PUD is so that you have more creative layout than what a standard.	00:18:10
	Subdivision. Uh.	00:18:16
	Would allow.	00:18:17
	So that you have some flexibility as to where.	00:18:19
	Structures can be placed, maybe some limitations on.	00:18:24
	Overall sizes.	00:18:27
	Related, I think to that.	00:18:34
	And there's some language about areas of coverage.	00:18:36
	And there's two different numbers.	00:18:41
	23 or 28% and 22 or 27.	00:18:44
	And if I could understand my notes.	00:18:48
	That was because of the.	00:18:51
	Pool it was in in the original plan.	00:18:52
	And I thought I heard last time that they didn't mean to put the pool on the documents we had.	00:18:55
	I just want to make sure that if we make a motion.	00:19:02
	Apparently that language is in the motion somewhere.	00:19:05
	And I just want to make sure.	00:19:08
	Which of those areas of coverage we're really improving?	00:19:11
	Talking about on page 4.	00:19:15
	Yeah, so we have.	00:19:18
	This is what the LOT standard is.	00:19:21
	For lot coverage.	00:19:23
	23% for structures.	00:19:26
	28% total.	00:19:28
	In the R143 zone.	00:19:30
	20% for structures, 33% total.	00:19:32
	Oh sorry, I reverse this. R143 first and then R187.	00:19:36
	For that second percent.	00:19:40
	We our code allows for a bonus coverage.	00:19:43
	So that would then increase.	00:19:47
	The total block coverage up.	00:19:49
	10%.	00:19:51
	So those same standards could be applied, but.	00:19:53
	The.	00:19:56
	The Commission would have to decide on the rationale, because it is.	00:19:58
	Two different standards across two different zones.	00:20:02
	So.	00:20:05
	You could.	00:20:06
	Either, umm.	00:20:07
	Apply that lot coverage standard to each zone sort so each side of the tree can say this is the standard for this side and this is	00:20:08
	the standard for this side.	00:20:12
	Or you can.	00:20:16
	Create a project overall.	00:20:17
	Standard.	00:20:20
	Which is somewhere between the two.	00:20:21
	Do we have what that recommend is recommendation is in the staff report already there is a recommendation?	00:20:27
	Where the proposal?	00:20:33
	Is seeking to shift.	00:20:37
	One of the dwelling units to the east side of the Creek.	00:20:39
	It seemed a little bit less complicated.	00:20:43
	To just have a kind of middle line standard that applies across the whole project.	00:20:46
	And I think that the recommendation was.	00:20:52
	22%.	00:20:55
	Since most of the land is and the R143 zone.	00:21:00
	And that's not approval of the PUD.	00:21:04
	Yeah, that would be one of the conditions of the beauty.	00:21:09
	That's where you can put a limitation.	00:21:13
	On that coverage.	00:21:15
	That he'll pencil out for you, Commissioner.	00:21:25
	Yeah.	00:21:28
	Yeah. So this is the.	00:21:29
	Yeah, this is the part I was talking about.	00:21:33
	Simplification.	00:21:35
	That a coverage maximum for the entire project at either 2328 for our 1:43.	00:21:37
	Or midpoint between the two.	00:21:43
	60% of the project areas in the R143 zone.	00:21:47
	Coverage limit of 22.	00:21:51
	And 27 total.	00:21:53
	Is what is recommended, but that's also.	00:21:55
	Can't be discussed with the applicant.	00:21:58
	As it's a more.	00:22:01
	Arbitrary thing. There's more unknowns where they don't know what the size of their structures will be, but then they can take	00:22:02
	that as the project overall.	00:22:06
	And kind of subtract.	00:22:10
	Total coverage out of the project as they go along.	00:22:13
	So maybe by the time they get to the last house there may not be a lot of structure coverage left.	00:22:18
	Be a really skinny bunkhouse.	00:22:26
	Yeah, and that creates some of that limitation.	00:22:28
	To make sure that there's not just.	00:22:31
	Large structures that are.	00:22:35
	Covering the.	00:22:37
	The entire property, the percentage based coverage.	00:22:37
	Creates a natural limitation.	00:22:41
	All right, other questions around the.	00:22:47
	Concept or PUD elements?	00:22:51
	Do we have any questions on the preliminary plat?	00:22:57
	For.	00:23:01
	Oh, the other thing, Commissioner Roche, that we can talk about is this one or two acre parcel analysis.	00:23:04
	That is.	00:23:10
	Addition since the last meeting.	00:23:12
	Umm, this shows.	00:23:14
	What?	00:23:18
	How many parcels are two acres in each zone?	00:23:19
	And then how many?	00:23:22
	Parcels are.	00:23:23
	One acre.	00:23:25
	So the three.	00:23:27
	Parcels involved here are or sorry for.	00:23:29
	These ones here.	00:23:33
	Most of the parcels in the R143 zone are conforming or in some cases.	00:23:35
	Over conforming so they're larger than an acre.	00:23:41
	Up to 2 acres.	00:23:46
	There's a few.	00:23:47
	Parcels here in the R187 zone that are smaller.	00:23:49
	Than two acres.	00:23:53
	But if everything is approved on what they've.	00:23:59
	The applicants brought forward today, then that would.	00:24:01
	All those would be.	00:24:07
	Not highlighted because they'd all be less than an acre at that point, except for the one.	00:24:10
	In the R187.	00:24:14
	Is that right?	00:24:16
	Right.	00:24:17
	Which is also the nature of.	00:24:20
	Beauties where you're going to create property that.	00:24:22
	Is not going to be.	00:24:26
	Necessarily a full.	00:24:27
	Conformity with the zone. There's just enough land in that.	00:24:29
	Area for.	00:24:32
	To meet the requirements of the zone.	00:24:34
	Thank you for clarifying that.	00:24:45
	And that's why it's recorded on the plat as well as being a PUD.	00:24:47
	When pewdies are created, you have your overall project area.	00:24:57
	And then you have your set building areas that are recorded and then you can't expand outside of those.	00:25:00
	So those have been done since.	00:25:06
	Before holiday incorporated under Salt Lake County.	00:25:09
	There's several developments.	00:25:12
	That are pretty large scale developments that have.	00:25:14
	They resulted in lots that are smaller than the zone standard.	00:25:18
	But the trade off is then that there's open space that's common or.	00:25:22
	Shifted to other areas within the project instead of having each individual lot to meet the.	00:25:26
	Meet the lot size standard.	00:25:32
	Will any of the properties fall as low as the R121 standard though?	00:25:36
	With what's being proposed.	00:25:41
	No.	00:25:43
	The other question we had from the other.	00:25:49
	From the previous meeting.	00:25:52
	Was tree detail.	00:25:54
	And the applicant added some additional.	00:25:56
	Detail on their tree plan.	00:26:00
	That shows the.	00:26:02
	Canopy area that's being removed.	00:26:05
	So that's the cloud.	00:26:09
	Areas that you'll see in red.	00:26:12
	So the red diagonal hash lines are.	00:26:15
	Where there's roadway.	00:26:19
	Underneath the canopy as well.	00:26:22
	I think this is canopy that comes over.	00:26:27
	They you can go through that with the applicant.	00:26:29
	So the line.	00:26:32
	The red.	00:26:33
	Circles are canopy removal. Or that's just canopy existence.	00:26:34
	Let's see.	00:26:40
	So it's the.	00:26:41
	The hash.	00:26:43
	Cloud headlines and you can't tell that it's little zigzag.	00:26:46
	Around it.	00:26:48
	It is. So it's this existing tree canopy to be removed.	00:26:49
	Is.	00:26:53
	This area.	00:26:55
	OK. And then tree canopy tree?	00:26:57
	Is outside here, so there's identification of canopy.	00:27:00
	That's staying and then some canopy that's being removed. So you have some that's being removed here for Rd.	00:27:04
	You have can't tree canopy being removed here for a Rd.	00:27:11
	And then the actual trees associated with.	00:27:15
	Each of those.	00:27:18
	So on that.	00:27:19
	There's tree canopy to remain with a house built literally in the middle of that big red circle, right?	00:27:21
	On this one.	00:27:29
	One down.	00:27:30
	One down this one, yeah.	00:27:31
	Yeah, the.	00:27:34
	It doesn't have all of the tree canopy on that. They may be some smaller trees.	00:27:40
	Umm.	00:27:46
	But all of those details are.	00:27:54
	OK, things that I'm sure the applicant can.	00:27:56
	Go over in more detail with you. All right, Well, I just want to make sure I understand what I'm looking at on that, so thank you.	00:27:59
	I think that was all of the.	00:28:08
	Things that came up from the last meeting.	00:28:10
	With the question, with the pool that's taken off, that was just kind of a.	00:28:14
	Idea, but it's not.	00:28:18
	Not set as a.	00:28:21
	Determined thing in their plan.	00:28:23
	One of the lots that is referenced.	00:28:26
	Is.	00:28:28
	This lot.	00:28:31
	Where the front of that can go either way, so there's not a set back that's.	00:28:32
	Really portrayed on it.	00:28:37
	Just because there's flexibility there with where that house may end up.	00:28:39
	OK. And.	00:28:44
	So on setbacks too, I wanted to go over that as well.	00:28:48
	And we talked about this a little bit the last time.	00:28:54
	It's not this one.	00:28:57
	Utility.	00:28:59
	I think the pool is still on there, but it's not supposed to be there.	00:29:08
	We'll include that as removed.	00:29:12
	Or note that.	00:29:15
	To ignore the rendering of the pool on page 98.	00:29:40
	Yeah, there's.	00:29:45
	It's there on a couple of pages.	00:29:46
	Results here on this one too.	00:29:48
	It is conceptual in nature, not.	00:29:53
	A commitment.	00:29:57
	OK.	00:30:02
	Sorry, I'm trying to see where that.	00:30:07
	Where the setbacks are designated on what sheet?	00:30:09
	I think it's on this one.	00:30:15
	No, it's not.	00:30:21
	So is that anything that needs to be called out in the motion or is that just?	00:30:23
	Copy paste from the lack lost packet and not.	00:30:27
	Applicable.	00:30:30
	I thought that I put the updated.	00:30:32
	Plans with the applicant provided in the packet.	00:30:36
	I'll double check that and we can pull them.	00:30:40
	If needed.	00:30:43
	OK.	00:30:54
	So on setbacks, this is where you'll see the narrow set back on this side.	00:30:59
	And then it increases to 20 feet.	00:31:03
	Over here.	00:31:06
	So for the first.	00:31:07
	89 feet.	00:31:12
	Roughly.	00:31:14
	You'll have a 20 foot set back on that side.	00:31:15
	And then there's an additional 10 foot set back.	00:31:18
	We were talking about some of these utility easements the last time.	00:31:21
	So it's good to point out.	00:31:24
	Where those utility easements are that there wouldn't be structures within the utility easements.	00:31:26
	So while this just has a 20 foot set back.	00:31:31
	With the additional utility easement that has 30 feet.	00:31:34
	That's detailed in the staff report. It's a little bit closer here and then flares out further.	00:31:40
	Depending on where that structure.	00:31:47
	Ends up.	00:31:49
	This one has a 20 foot set back built in on either side of the road.	00:31:51
	So this structure could be.	00:31:57
	Up here more, or it could be down here further. There's not really a front step back on lot #8.	00:32:00
	20 foot step back on.	00:32:07
	The uh.	00:32:09
	Side umm.	00:32:10
	That's Holiday Blvd.	00:32:11
	And then 20 foot set back on this side.	00:32:13
	And then each of the.	00:32:16
	Lots have a 5 foot utility easement.	00:32:18
	Between each of them.	00:32:23
	And.	00:32:25
	The utility easement along with a Rd.	00:32:27
	I think there was a question of the property line along there, so the property is owned to.	00:32:31
	A to a specific.	00:32:36
	Line to the middle of the road.	00:32:39
	The utility easement is set within the road.	00:32:41
	And.	00:32:45
	Than the building area is identified as the area that's outside of the road.	00:32:47
	So the minimum separation between buildings is 10 feet, correct? Because that's where the PU.	00:32:53
	Mm-hmm. Yes.	00:32:59
	And then all structures are 100 foot set back from the stream.	00:33:02
	Yes, or Creek.	00:33:06
	Yeah, so.	00:33:09
	Without.	00:33:10
	If this was a standard subdivision or.	00:33:12
	Standard lot.	00:33:15
	This would have just a 50 foot set back from the Creek.	00:33:16
	On this side, because this is a previously developed lot.	00:33:20
	And then seeing what this parcel.	00:33:24
	Is that it would have a 50 foot set back.	00:33:26
	So they're increasing that step back to the full 100 feet.	00:33:28
	Where it would only have been 50 feet otherwise.	00:33:32
	If someone were to.	00:33:35
	Remove the house as is on that parcel.	00:33:37
	They could build up to 50 feet from the Creek.	00:33:40
	So, umm.	00:33:43
	That's where that extra.	00:33:44
	Area that they are not required to have in there they could.	00:33:46
	Jog in that protection area.	00:33:50
	50 feet for each of those parcels, but they just.	00:33:52
	Included it as 100 feet.	00:33:55
	So additional.	00:33:57
	50 feet across both of those parcels.	00:33:58
	And that's what's.	00:34:01
	Called out in the.	00:34:02
	PUD, yes.	00:34:05
	Application.	00:34:07
	All right. Any other questions because I know we're overdue to get our meeting started. Just one question, when were the adjacent	00:34:10
	property?	00:34:13
	Owners noticed.	00:34:16
	They were noticed.	00:34:19
	We sent out an initial notice before we did the.	00:34:21
	The zone map boundary.	00:34:25
	So they had a notice in.	00:34:27
	July.	00:34:29
	So the end of July.	00:34:30
	Than we did the.	00:34:32
	Hearing the 12th of.	00:34:36
	August.	00:34:40
	So they were noticed for that.	00:34:40
	And then we sent out a notice for the first meeting.	00:34:43
	And then sent out a meeting a notice for this second meeting.	00:34:47
	So they have had.	00:34:50
	3 notices for the same project and there was number response.	00:34:52
	Yep, no comments.	00:34:57
	Thank you.	00:34:58
	Alrighty, well with that, unless there's any other questions about this, we'll get the work session closed. Anyone need a quick?	00:35:00
	Break before we roll into the official meeting.	00:35:08
	Everybody good.	00:35:10
	OK, so with that, you let me know. We were good to go, Kerry.	00:35:11
	Yeah, we are good to go.	00:35:17
	All right. Thank you very much.	00:35:19
	So good evening and welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission. It is 6:10. Thanks for your patience if you've been waiting	00:35:20
	on us.	00:35:24
	Um, we have.	00:35:27
	All but the newest member of commissioners in attendance city staff.	00:35:30
	And council.	00:35:35
	And we have.	00:35:36
	Five items on the agenda.	00:35:38
	Four of them public hearings.	00:35:40
	And before we get going and working through all of those, I have asked Vice Chair Prince if she would read the opening statement	00:35:42
	for any members of the public.	00:35:46
	The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board whose function is to review land use plans and other special	00:35:51
	studies.	00:35:55
	Make recommendations to the City Council on proposed zoning map and ordinance changes.	00:35:59
	And approve conditional uses in subdivisions.	00:36:04
	The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications.	00:36:08
	Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted.	00:36:11
	Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings.	00:36:15
	Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda where the location.	00:36:19
	The nature of the neighborhood. Existing structures.	00:36:24
	And uses related to the proposed change are noted.	00:36:27
	Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the professional planning staff.	00:36:31
	The city's general plan, zoning ordinance and other reports.	00:36:36
	By all verbal and written comments and by evidence submitted.	00:36:40
	All of which are part of the public record.	00:36:44
	Thank you very much.	00:36:47
	All right. And with that, the first item we have on our agenda tonight is an acknowledgment of service.	00:36:49
	For former Commissioner Gingerville Chinsky.	00:36:55
	Commission just wants to recognize the time that she served as a planning commissioner and thank her for.	00:37:00
	Her efforts and all the time she's given to the community.	00:37:06
	And helping helping.	00:37:10
	Make holiday a great place to live.	00:37:12
	So.	00:37:14
	Ginger if you're watching.	00:37:19
	All right. And then we have our first public hearing item on here, which is the David McDonald Historic Home.	00:37:21
	And Miss Marsh, I'm not going to call you up to the podium because you got all your stuff set up there, but if you want to give us	00:37:30
	just a quick rundown on this.	00:37:34
	Absolutely.	00:37:38
	All right.	00:37:42
	This is our newest.	00:37:43
	Historic house or site designation? It was just designated through the City Council on Thursday.	00:37:46
	Last week.	00:37:52
	This property is known as the David McDonald House. It's located at 4659 S Highland Drive.	00:37:53
	Has been used as offices and.	00:38:01
	Umm residential treatment facility for some time.	00:38:04
	And is now going through the process to be designated as a historic property and make some modifications to.	00:38:08
	For new use.	00:38:15
	And some improvements to the to the property.	00:38:17
	The first couple of pages review what is in.	00:38:23
	The historic code.	00:38:27
	For the city.	00:38:29
	A review of uses as to what uses would be.	00:38:32
	Conditional within the.	00:38:36
	In a historic.	00:38:38
	Site other uses of similar intensity to the above.	00:38:39
	It is being proposed for use as a jewelry store.	00:38:44
	Doing custom jewelry, very low scale.	00:38:48
	Very similar to an antique shop or art shop.	00:38:51
	The site does have limited parking.	00:38:55
	The property owners seeking to improve some of the parking there both with.	00:38:58
	Refinishing the parking lot and adding some additional parking spots to.	00:39:02
	Meet the requirements for.	00:39:06
	Their use.	00:39:08
	The staff report goes through some of the.	00:39:11
	Historic details of the property.	00:39:14
	Was built in 1890.	00:39:16
	By David and Arabella McDonald.	00:39:18
	They immigrated to Utah from Scotland in 1869.	00:39:20
	David was with Blacksmith and his black ship.	00:39:25
	Smith's shop was located.	00:39:28
	Close to the property.	00:39:30
	Family has owned.	00:39:33
	The house. For quite some time they lived there.	00:39:35
	Or David and Arabelle lived there until 1912.	00:39:39
	And, umm.	00:39:41
	My understanding is that family members continue to own the house.	00:39:43
	Through umm.	00:39:46
	I believe that.	00:39:48
	Nineties 2000s of.	00:39:49
	Applicant can.	00:39:52
	Summarize some of that for you too.	00:39:53
	There's you can see the original.	00:39:56
	Picture of the house.	00:39:59
	And some modifications that were made in 1912 with adding a porch.	00:40:00
	The on the rear side of the property.	00:40:06
	Currently there is a.	00:40:10
	Rear porch.	00:40:14
	Likely in the.	00:40:17
	60s, maybe earlier.	00:40:19
	It could have been earlier.	00:40:22
	There's not really a known date on when a rare addition was made.	00:40:23
	But it was definitely present in 1977.	00:40:27
	So the applicant is proposing some changes to that as there's some structural issues.	00:40:32
	This rear.	00:40:37
	And closure.	00:40:39
	So they're proposing to.	00:40:40
	Remove that and modify it to address the structural issues and add a second level as a sunroom.	00:40:43
	Other modifications.	00:40:51
	Are to the front of the house.	00:40:53
	With adding some Ada access.	00:40:56
	And a porch so they'll have ADA access off to this front side.	00:41:01
	Porch to cover that.	00:41:06
	Access around.	00:41:08
	Similar to the Porsche that was added on in 1912.	00:41:10
	The windows will all be changed out for security and also energy efficiency reasons there.	00:41:16
	Adding these paned windows styles.	00:41:23
	The frame of the window is not changing at all, so we'll still have the upper.	00:41:26
	Area. That's a solid.	00:41:31
	Surface. There are stained glass windows here and here, and I believe those are.	00:41:34
	Both stay, but you can clarify that with the applicant since they're not shown in this architectural drawing.	00:41:40
	Some modifications, just generally to landscaping.	00:41:47
	There were two large pine trees in the front.	00:41:50
	Of the property.	00:41:53
	There's power lines there, so replacing those with tall trees might be difficult, but.	00:41:54
	The applicant may be open to replacing with some smaller trees in the front yard.	00:42:00
	I'm trying to think what else we had in here.	00:42:05
	Oh, the other notable piece is that.	00:42:09
	There has historically been this Trump piece below.	00:42:13
	Below the roofline.	00:42:20
	You can discuss with the applicant about.	00:42:22
	Openness to modify to including that in.	00:42:25
	In their modifications.	00:42:29
	The other.	00:42:31
	Review or the other item noted.	00:42:33
	By the director was.	00:42:37
	That was a second level edition with the.	00:42:42
	Sun Sun porch.	00:42:45
	Freeze from the upper cornice.	00:42:47
	And then the scale of the columns supporting the front porch, so we can go back to that.	00:42:49
	Architectural Drawing.	00:42:55
	And take a look at the rear.	00:42:58
	The other note in the historic registry.	00:43:01
	The fence that's on the site was.	00:43:05
	Originally constructed I believe in 1912. You could see in that photo.	00:43:07
	A suggestion to possibly include that on the site somewhere.	00:43:13
	If it's not going to be used in the front of the site to incorporate it since it is noted on the historic registers being.	00:43:18
	Originally, umm.	00:43:25
	Created for the house.	00:43:27
	This is the elevation of the rear.	00:43:31
	Side so we can see.	00:43:34
	That rear addition?	00:43:36
	Being updated.	00:43:39
	More structurally, sound will actually have a foundation instead of just being poured on.	00:43:40
	S Lab on grade.	00:43:45
	And then the sun porch about the front.	00:43:46
	Or above.	00:43:48
	You can still see some of the windows through that.	00:43:50
	Glass that retains the look of.	00:43:53
	Some of the brick.	00:43:54
	Any questions from the Commission on?	00:43:56
	Items in the staff report.	00:44:00
	Just a.	00:44:04
	Clarifying, maybe this is a question better for the applicant, but.	00:44:05
	In the register.	00:44:08
	In the renderings, it does look like there is a.	00:44:09
	An iron fence, is it not?	00:44:12
	The same fence that's.	00:44:14
	They're currently.	00:44:16
	On this one.	00:44:17
	It might just be a rendering. It might be the same fence that.	00:44:19
	You can have that.	00:44:22
	And there is.	00:44:24
	A list of suggested findings from the TRC.	00:44:26
	Are those?	00:44:31
	All things that need to be covered with the applicant or are those already worked out in the attached?	00:44:32
	August 28.	00:44:39
	Addendum with.	00:44:43
	John Tierlink.	00:44:45
	Most of those.	00:44:48
	Findings are taken from the.	00:44:49
	Applicants narrative or letter of intent.	00:44:52
	And then with some of the details that were provided from the contractor as to the scope of the work.	00:44:55
	Umm, it is.	00:45:01
	If there's any modifications to those findings.	00:45:04
	You could go through each of those with the applicant and just make sure that they're.	00:45:08
	In agreeance with each of those or any of those need to be modified.	00:45:11
	OK.	00:45:17
	So that's the applicant property summary. I'm talking about the suggested findings under the technical review committee those,	00:45:19
	yes.	00:45:22
	I don't want to spend all night going back and forth looking at each one. I'm just curious, is there anything that's listed in	00:45:28
	here that's not?	00:45:31
	In the summarized narrative on this last page.	00:45:36
	That we need to. The other thing would just be trees.	00:45:39
	If you want to include that as a condition.	00:45:42
	The trees.	00:45:44
	OK. And as far as the?	00:45:46
	And then the.	00:45:51
	What is it called? The Freesia?	00:45:53
	Oh, the fruity frizzy is the right pronunciation.	00:45:54
	I am not an architect.	00:45:58
	I don't know. I'm not revenge.	00:46:00
	All right. Any other questions for city staff on this?	00:46:05
	Do we want to invite the applicant up to give additional?	00:46:09
	Q&A for us.	00:46:12
	Hopefully more a.	00:46:16
	How are we?	00:46:17
	If I answer your first question, my name is John Brooks Branscomb. I'm the owner of J Brooks Jewelers.	00:46:21
	Sorry, Mr. Branscomb, will you hit that power button on the top edge of that?	00:46:26
	Right there.	00:46:30
	Thank you.	00:46:32
	I don't know if I hit it right or not. Here we go, Kerry.	00:46:33
	I see it now.	00:46:35
	Can you hear me better now?	00:46:35
	OK, my name is John Brooks Transcom, the owner of Jay Brooks Jewelers and.	00:46:37
	We've been looking at this building for about a year.	00:46:41
	And finally decided to buy it. To answer your first question, if I tried to remove that fence in the front, my wife would divorce	00:46:44
	me.	00:46:47
	So that will definitely be part of.	00:46:51
	All of it because of the way the architect wants to build a little entrance there. They'll probably have some room on each side	00:46:53
	that will take the extra extension of that.	00:46:56
	Have to be removed, repaired, patched and then reinstalled.	00:47:00
	But when we're finished, our intention is to.	00:47:04
	Use that exactly the way it is, and then to mimic that up on the porch when we add the other.	00:47:07
	Pieces.	00:47:14
	We thought adding the porch made the most sense because there have been a porch for so many years.	00:47:15
	And then for the continuity and especially for the.	00:47:19
	Ada ramp. It made sense to.	00:47:22
	Cover it.	00:47:25
	So if somebody doesn't walk outside.	00:47:26
	And our weather and.	00:47:28
	That would be a bad thing, so.	00:47:29
	So that's the thing we want to do because the trees were so big and the ground.	00:47:32
	To our knowledge, has not been watered in five years.	00:47:36
	They were dead.	00:47:39
	And as much as I love trees, I'm from North Carolina.	00:47:40
	There's just no way to save them and make it look right.	00:47:44
	But the architect assures me that if we need to plant more trees that we can incorporate trees easily into the plan.	00:47:46
	Would they be big?	00:47:53
	No, you know.	00:47:54
	But I think that we will.	00:47:56
	You know, build some. We haven't done the architectural plan for the landscaping yet, correct?	00:47:58
	But.	00:48:02
	We're very open to making sure everybody.	00:48:04
	You know, loves what we do as far as that goes.	00:48:06
	On that subject, on the back because of parking.	00:48:09
	There's an old abandoned.	00:48:12
	In the back there there's an old abandoned.	00:48:15
	Canal that hasn't had water in it for 30 years. It's blocked on the bank side.	00:48:18
	And then under the on the holiday condominium side, it goes under the driveway but has no water in it and.	00:48:24
	The 90 year old great granddaughter came in there and told us it used to be a pond with Swans.	00:48:30
	That, that's a Galaxy gone by.	00:48:35
	So we have the surveyor been out this last week.	00:48:38
	Include where the property line really is.	00:48:42
	Because there's two fences with the canal in between.	00:48:45
	And so once we get that up if the.	00:48:49
	And the holiday and the condominiums behind us, they're willing to sell whatever we need.	00:48:52
	To build some additional diagonal parking.	00:48:56
	Behind the building.	00:48:58
	Without really changing from the front, you would notice it at all, and there's.	00:49:00
	A lot more room over in the corner next to the bank than you might realize where we can hide A.	00:49:03
	Dumpster and things like that without him being really seen.	00:49:10
	So there's a.	00:49:13
	There's a lot more room when you get into this corner than you might think, and again with the condominiums there.	00:49:14
	Happy to anything they don't have to take care of.	00:49:19
	They're happy to sell and get rid of off of their plate.	00:49:22
	So we're just waiting for the.	00:49:25
	Surveyor to come through and to do that.	00:49:27
	In the end, we're.	00:49:30
	We're all about life celebrations as a business.	00:49:32
	And creating.	00:49:35
	Lifetime memories. So the last thing we want to do.	00:49:36
	Is change the look of this home so much that you wouldn't recognize it?	00:49:39
	The McDonald children grant great grandchildren who were 80.	00:49:43
	88 and 90 came by the store over the last 3-4 weeks. We've met them all.	00:49:47
	And they're so excited.	00:49:52
	In fact, one of the great granddaughters painted this picture that's up on the screen.	00:49:54
	And she said that there's.	00:49:58
	He said they're so excited that the house is going to be used and returned to its former.	00:50:00
	For lack of a better term, glory.	00:50:04
	The way that it looks.	00:50:06
	The.	00:50:08
	The the back porch just by way of information according to the.	00:50:10
	In 1941, when he was born, he said that back porch has been there as an open porch his entire life.	00:50:15
	And he has no memory of it not being there.	00:50:21
	And nor did his two great his sisters, who are 90 and 8889. They said that's been there forever.	00:50:24
	And that before it was open.	00:50:30
	And that's where she hit all the treats.	00:50:31
	So they would sit on the back porch.	00:50:33
	Unfortunately.	00:50:36
	We want to add.	00:50:38
	Because the room is limited, we want to add a vault.	00:50:39
	In that and those vaults weigh.	00:50:42
	You know, 8 to 10,000 lbs.	00:50:44
	And so the foundation, as Kerry explained so well, is just not, doesn't tolerate it.	00:50:47
	So the only way to fix it is to tear it off.	00:50:52
	And rebuild it.	00:50:55
	And while we're turning it off and rebuild it, it made sense.	00:50:56
	To build this little porch.	00:50:59
	For lots of different usages and social events and promotions that we would plan to do.	00:51:02
	Over the time.	00:51:08
	As far as impact, we're a low impact user, nothing like the coffee shop a block to our South.	00:51:09
	Which is probably having 3 or 405 hundred cars a day.	00:51:14
	We're probably a 15 to 20 car a day kind of business.	00:51:18
	And we do intend to keep the drive up window for as a.	00:51:24
	Trying to work it into our and our model of business which is different as a pickup window.	00:51:28
	So when people have three kids in the car and don't want to get or it's bad weather or whatever the scenario might be.	00:51:32
	So we would probably leave that alone. That's kind of our plan.	00:51:38
	Is the only one like it in the state, and that would be kind of.	00:51:42
	Fun so.	00:51:44
	In a nutshell, that connects.	00:51:46
	Is the.	00:51:48
	We had the driveway.	00:51:50
	We have the foundation examined as you know, the foundation.	00:51:52
	Made it through an earthquake.	00:51:56
	Didn't have any issues.	00:51:58
	And.	00:52:00
	With the exception of a small retaining wall.	00:52:01
	The previous owner.	00:52:04
	Swears that the inside has looked like that his entire 31 years he owned the building.	00:52:07
	And.	00:52:13
	And that the.	00:52:14
	The paving company promises that they won't be bringing in any 10 ton bulldozers to do anything that we have to worry about.	00:52:16
	Those kind of things.	00:52:25
	And so they're standing by. We have removed.	00:52:26
	A number of trees forward, completely dead.	00:52:29
	Getting ready to fall in the house.	00:52:32
	The rest of them we just removed all the four.	00:52:33
	And we clean it up. So if you have a chance, do you want to drive through? There is a dumpster back there, so don't go speeding on	00:52:36
	a big circle.	00:52:39
	But it is we started the process of cleaning it up and.	00:52:42
	And just getting ready. We didn't really want to do too much until you said.	00:52:46
	You can have a conditional use permit.	00:52:50
	And use this space.	00:52:52
	And so we want to.	00:52:54
	We want to be good neighbors. We I live in Mill Creek just.	00:52:55
	Three blocks to the due West of exactly where the building is.	00:52:59
	We want to.	00:53:03
	Return it to it, the beauty.	00:53:04
	House has been empty for five years, the.	00:53:06
	Took 25 people to clean up the lot but it was just a mess.	00:53:09
	And so I think when we're finished, I think it will be just as beautiful as the renditions.	00:53:13
	Do. Our architect and designer are both amazing and.	00:53:17
	And I think.	00:53:21
	The building that's down on Highland a little further, the brand new building is down between 33rd, 39th and 33rd with the.	00:53:23
	All the brick and all the beautiful landscaping with the.	00:53:31
	The white blue, that's kind of the look where we're going to go is kind of a Southern.	00:53:34
	Flavor just a little bit.	00:53:37
	And I think when we're finished, it would be beautiful.	00:53:40
	That's a quick summary. I think of everything that.	00:53:44
	I heard but I'm happy to answer any question and the architect is here.	00:53:46
	Who's happy to answer any technical question.	00:53:50
	So you're amenable to having a couple.	00:53:52
	Calling their trees up.	00:53:55
	In that front that I'm sure you.	00:53:57
	I'm sure that there would be something that would be skinny and linear.	00:53:59
	So Cory, do you have any spouse on that?	00:54:08
	I would be I would caution against the.	00:54:13
	What we'd be looking for?	00:54:17
	Is the design concept for that area is a very automatic here?	00:54:19
	European style garden.	00:54:24
	Brick walkways.	00:54:29
	Gardens.	00:54:30
	I pretty much get too much of A tree that actually block or.	00:54:32
	Take out too much of that.	00:54:37
	We haven't gotten.	00:54:40
	Project as well.	00:54:50
	Place that if you're not.	00:54:51
	Speedrite bias so.	00:54:54
	But we are mentioned. Why?	00:54:57
	Create a landscape plan that is very upscale and celebratory to.	00:55:06
	Makes sense?	00:55:12
	Just ask because you know, we're Tree City and I'm sure on the way.	00:55:14
	Evening or western afternoon sun in the summer. You know, it's nice to have some shade on that building, but.	00:55:18
	Understandable.	00:55:25
	You know, with the limitations of the landscape.	00:55:26
	Umm, as I'm looking at the suggested conditions of approval that are under the TRC, sounds like retention of the fence is planned	00:55:30
	and you're good with that one.	00:55:34
	It's listed as no improvements within 20 feet of the canal on the east side of the property.	00:55:40
	So it sounds like you're kind of.	00:55:45
	Loose on what's going to happen with that or.	00:55:48
	Well.	00:55:50
	I did not read that.	00:55:54
	So we want to.	00:55:56
	What we want to do to make it work?	00:55:57
	Have enough retail parking?	00:55:59
	Is we want to pay from the back of the house, from the building all the way to the fence line?	00:56:00
	Where the condominiums?	00:56:06
	Densly. Currently.	00:56:08
	And that allows us to the room.	00:56:09
	To be able to park additional cars so we have enough.	00:56:11
	Parking stalls relative to the amount of space we have, which is about 2500 feet.	00:56:15
	And so if we don't.	00:56:20
	We have to be if we don't pave over that canal which is talking to.	00:56:21
	One of our friends who's a former water.	00:56:26
	Specialist has talked to.	00:56:29
	Everybody who's involved in that and no one thinks that canal is an active canal in any form or fashion.	00:56:31
	And so the only question was who owns it?	00:56:36
	And so whether is it us or is it the?	00:56:39
	Condominium County. So one of the one of the things that would be essential is for us to be able to pave.	00:56:42
	Back to that, because right now all they've used for for the last 30 years is to dump.	00:56:47
	And we we've the clippings of every tree for 30 years is in that.	00:56:52
	Things that we've taken out.	00:56:57
	And that the space is much bigger than we thought.	00:56:59
	So if the surveyors come back, then it works easily enough and the.	00:57:02
	Baby Company's already been there, Kilgore Company and said no problem to do it, no problem to change anything. No trees need to	00:57:06
	be removed, which is good.	00:57:10
	Just a little trimming, which most of that's done.	00:57:15
	So how far is the?	00:57:17
	Canal from the building.	00:57:19
	Your I would say 10.	00:57:21
	Yeah.	00:57:27
	Probably 24 feet.	00:57:30
	From the back kitchen.	00:57:31
	That's why we had the property surveyed this.	00:57:42
	So we could try and reconcile to have.	00:57:45
	As we do understand.	00:57:48
	There are two fences there, just don't know which ones which.	00:57:49
	And how long the expenses have also been there?	00:57:52
	Purposes to it is.	00:57:56
	So we have. We're trying to do that.	00:58:02
	So, Carrie, have you looked at the?	00:58:07
	How they're gonna park here?	00:58:08
	So parking.	00:58:11
	Would just be.	00:58:13
	Based off of the use.	00:58:14
	If they're going to add some parking in the back.	00:58:15
	I would say that.	00:58:18
	Reasonable condition would be just a.	00:58:20
	Following uh.	00:58:22
	Code for.	00:58:23
	Waterway protection.	00:58:26
	So that requires.	00:58:27
	A property owner to work with the canal company if there's any modifications made.	00:58:31
	Within a.	00:58:36
	Canal area. So if it is an abandoned canal.	00:58:37
	Then they work that out. We have verification that that it is an abandoned canal.	00:58:40
	Then the waterway protection.	00:58:47
	Don't believe would apply in that case.	00:58:51
	Waterway protection is we're about 20 foot distance comes in.	00:58:53
	It is to protect banks.	00:58:57
	From erosion and to maintain trees.	00:58:59
	Along canals so that they remain.	00:59:02
	Have good integrity.	00:59:07
	In their bank, but.	00:59:09
	So conditions could be.	00:59:10
	Just compliance with waterway protection.	00:59:13
	And also complaints with.	00:59:16
	Tree canopy sustainability. So any trace that?	00:59:18
	Are removed.	00:59:21
	If that canal is abandoned if the waterway protection doesn't apply.	00:59:22
	If trees are removed.	00:59:26
	Then they'd have to be replaced with a mature canopy of equivalent size.	00:59:28
	Either on the property or up to 50% could be located off the property.	00:59:34
	Parking wise another option if there's not.	00:59:39
	Enough parking or a way to locate parking on site They.	00:59:44
	There's a potential to explore shared parking.	00:59:48
	Potentially with the neighboring business next door for any overflow parking if they do a shared parking agreement and that's in	00:59:52
	our.	00:59:55
	Parking standards code.	00:59:59
	So that is an option for the applicant that could just be that's.	01:00:01
	Kind of included in the general standards or conditions with just meeting the parking requirements so there's.	01:00:06
	Various ways the applicant can achieve that.	01:00:13
	And if they're going to expand the parking lot, there's already a code requiring 3 islands and those sort of things if they're	01:00:15
	going to expand the existing parking lot, right?	01:00:19
	OK. So Kerry, just to clarify for me.	01:00:25
	Didn't understand but.	01:00:27
	Is the existing parking enough for the use but the applicant wants more parking? Or in order to do this use, more parking is	01:00:29
	required?	01:00:32
	Do you have one parking spot on site or two?	01:00:36
	There's 7 stalls, 7 stalls currently.	01:00:39
	The parking is based off of the.	01:00:42
	Square footage.	01:00:46
	I believe that 7 would be.	01:00:47
	Adequate. I haven't done a full parking assessment on it.	01:00:49
	Do you know how many square feet?	01:00:54
	25125 hundred.	01:00:58
	That sounds like 7 would be.	01:01:01
	Pretty close to what they would need.	01:01:03
	So it's so the expansion of the parking would be to accommodate.	01:01:05
	What they're anticipating, but not.	01:01:09
	We wouldn't need more.	01:01:12
	If we want to approve this because it's already right, I don't. I don't know if it needs to be that detailed.	01:01:14
	Just having the condition of meeting parking standards will take care of them.	01:01:20
	OK.	01:01:24
	Right. And a couple other questions on the.	01:01:26
	I'm going to say it wrong again. The freesia. The free.	01:01:31
	Frise, that's it. I call it exterior crown molding. Are you guys going to hold on to that?	01:01:34
	Tell us how to pronounce it too when you come up.	01:01:43
	It might be easier for me to come up to the podium. My name is Corey Solomon. Thank architecture.	01:01:46
	Here I am the architect assisting John and Victoria on the project.	01:01:52
	The overall goal is yes to maintain and repair.	01:01:58
	The freeze board that is at the soffit.	01:02:02
	At the top area, we are going to have to modify a little bit of the window trim as we make those replacements.	01:02:05
	To a new thermally broken.	01:02:12
	Windows system with the grids in it.	01:02:16
	But overall, our goal is again to maintain as much of the existing.	01:02:18
	Element that we possibly can.	01:02:23
	With the understanding that there might be parts of it that are just.	01:02:25
	So far gone that we're going to have to.	01:02:29
	Refabricate and rebuild.	01:02:32
	To make that work, but that's our overall goal, is not to remove any historical elements like that, but only to enhance them.	01:02:36
	So whatever you can't keep, you're intending to.	01:02:42
	Remake and replace.	01:02:45
	Yes we can. We can just have it remade.	01:02:47
	OK.	01:02:49
	That's just on our little checklist of items, so thank you for covering that.	01:02:51
	And and then also maybe I could why I'm standing here as well as to talk to you a little bit what the fence is going on and why	01:02:56
	we.	01:02:59
	The element.	01:03:04
	That's on your screens right there is a Roper Ogul is again to take the existing historical fence and reuse that on the two sides	01:03:05
	of the pillars. The reason why we broke that is when we wanted to create a strong.	01:03:11
	Entry marquee and element with some lanterns on top of those Piers.	01:03:18
	But also some of the fancies in really poor shape.	01:03:23
	It's rusted all the way through and so we're.	01:03:27
	Trying to account for those what we thought was the linear length of those sections that might not be able to be reusable.	01:03:30
	And to them rebuild those new entry gates that.	01:03:35
	We found it especially towards the.	01:03:38
	The north side.	01:03:42
	Of it is at the base of it's pretty rotten, so.	01:03:44
	We're going to have to really try to save some of that and work with it, but our goal is we love the fence.	01:03:47
	His wife loves the fence and we want to keep it.	01:03:52
	Just enhance it.	01:03:54
	And then while you're up here, maybe you can just answer this one.	01:03:56
	The scale of the columns that are going to be supporting that French porch.	01:03:59
	Any idea about how big those are right now? I could talk to you about the scale. They're probably about 14 by 14, very historical.	01:04:03
	And the nature and scale of those.	01:04:10
	We could probably put a conditional work with staff on those, but there will work with the proportions so they're not your little	01:04:14
	spindly.	01:04:17
	6 by 6 that might. Our intent is their built up column.	01:04:21
	Box column with several pieces of trim and finished out.	01:04:25
	As well. And that was our.	01:04:30
	Our overall goal again too, is also.	01:04:32
	Create that long entry porch that was a little bit more historical. The original home didn't have a porch, there was one added to	01:04:34
	it later.	01:04:38
	And we actually, in looking at, we felt like this.	01:04:42
	Actually complemented the home a little bit more, but it also helped us protect that.	01:04:46
	The ramps that we are planning to add for the wheelchair accessible to accessibility to the front door.	01:04:50
	I've got a question about the columns in the depiction that we're seeing on the screen. These look like round.	01:04:58
	I'm thinking Grecian columns which is not the same as a.	01:05:06
	Box column.	01:05:10
	Oh, you know what? Actually, that was Vic.	01:05:11
	We she requested that we change them to a.	01:05:14
	Historically round column, which is also again an Eastern architecture.	01:05:17
	Element.	01:05:22
	Is it? Is it congruous with the this time period?	01:05:23
	OK, very much so.	01:05:26
	OK, OK.	01:05:29
	I think it looks nice, it's just.	01:05:30
	Is it the time? Well, quick hammer all the questions. Those are just the ones that I had literally printed and given to me. So.	01:05:33
	Yeah. Thank you for actually picking up on that. That was a last minute revision that was made a week or so ago.	01:05:38
	Stained glass. I know there's stained glass currently in the.	01:05:44
	Home and then it's not shown in the depictions. Will the stained glass stay? Yes, the the stained glass we want to keep on the	01:05:48
	House now.	01:05:53
	What we still have to work through is that those stained glass modules are going to be a little different than the new glass.	01:05:58
	So our overall goal is to.	01:06:03
	Hopefully get the window manufacturer work with us where we can reinsert that stained glass. If not, we'll.	01:06:06
	Want to reuse it on the interior of the project.	01:06:12
	Right.	01:06:27
	Well, they're pretty.	01:06:29
	Really pretty.	01:06:30
	Thank you.	01:06:31
	Other questions for the applicant.	01:06:33
	I just have a comment.	01:06:35
	While I appreciate the fact that every retailer wants maximum visibility for their storefront.	01:06:38
	Given that we are Tree City, USA, I don't think it's unreasonable.	01:06:45
	For us to include.	01:06:50
	As a condition of approval.	01:06:52
	A couple of columnar trees in the front of the pole.	01:06:54
	Property I appreciate.	01:06:57
	The aesthetic of a.	01:07:00
	Of a European garden look and I think it's really pretty, but I don't think it would be.	01:07:03
	Upset by a couple of columnar trees.	01:07:08
	You know, when you talk about a calmer tree, those are very different. Are you talking about a content?	01:07:11
	Conifer or deciduous tree?	01:07:16
	You could go.	01:07:19
	Either or really. With that you could do it. Or fruit tree or something vertical.	01:07:20
	I mean, you could do because of the power line conflict. You're not Bauer.	01:07:25
	Burying the power lines. Otherwise I'd say put in, you know, some cottonwoods and really go for the historical look. But I think	01:07:28
	you could go in there and put in a couple columnar beach, for example.	01:07:33
	They're, you know, not a whole lot wider than the columns you're talking about putting in there. And again, that green space helps	01:07:39
	soften the noise island and heat island that we have.	01:07:43
	Along the Highland corridor.	01:07:48
	Yeah. And I don't think we could that's we're not going to be opposed to something like that as long as we're complying with it.	01:07:50
	We also have a ton of trees on this site.	01:07:54
	All the way around the North.	01:08:00
	Side, the South side and the east side so.	01:08:01
	Keep something that's really clean. But we could definitely investigate some calamari trees without hopefully disrupting it too	01:08:06
	much. And that might actually be a nice little moment we could, you know, light them.	01:08:11
	As well And it could be a nice Christmas element as well. And the motion we can call out medium columnar trees and then that gives	01:08:16
	you some latitude to work with and.	01:08:20
	Yeah. Are you tied to calm or would you also be open to like a?	01:08:25
	Flowering, small scale like decorative.	01:08:31
	Type tree.	01:08:33
	Accent type tree.	01:08:35
	Sure, that's right. So there's like a dog would or something alive.	01:08:37
	So rather than call them or just call out small to medium tree.	01:08:43
	Yeah, OK.	01:08:47
	We can do that in the motion, almost, almost artistic.	01:08:49
	Looking for, you know.	01:08:54
	Perfect.	01:08:56
	It suggests all right. Any other questions for the applicant?	01:08:57
	All right, we'll go ahead and have you guys sit down.	01:09:01
	And then this is a public hearing, so we'll go ahead and open up the public hearing on this. If there's anyone members from the	01:09:03
	public that want to speak on this tonight, I don't see anyone other than the applicant present.	01:09:09
	Unless we have the other applicants who are interested in.	01:09:14
	So with that, we'll go 123 and close the public hearing. And then Commissioners, any discussion points?	01:09:17
	That we want to touch on before a motion made on this one.	01:09:24
	I just think that the use is really reasonable in terms of intensity.	01:09:28
	And the the suggested modifications to the.	01:09:33
	Structure I think are.	01:09:36
	You know, in line with the.	01:09:38
	The historic look.	01:09:39
	And and feel of the property and I think I appreciate that the applicant is really being thoughtful about, not just.	01:09:40
	Replicating a look but preserving some of the actual elements? That's nice. Absolutely.	01:09:47
	And I'm glad it was designated historical.	01:09:52
	It's cool.	01:09:55
	We need more of that.	01:09:56
	So. But I do agree with you, Commissioner Font on the.	01:09:57
	You know, putting in a couple smaller trees.	01:10:02
	Definitely because.	01:10:04
	Again, if they didn't have the power line conflict, I'd be a bully about it, but.	01:10:06
	I don't see anything really.	01:10:11
	Being big.	01:10:13
	Viable with those power lines unless you just want to see what half a tree looks like growing up against a house.	01:10:14
	I agree. So with that I.	01:10:21
	I'm happy to entertain anyone that wants to make a motion.	01:10:25
	Or I'll make the motion.	01:10:30
	All right, I'll go for it.	01:10:33
	See if I can get this right.	01:10:34
	Because I got pages of stuff here, OK.	01:10:36
	So, umm.	01:10:39
	I motion the Holiday Planning Commission moved to approve.	01:10:40
	The application for a conditional use permit for a historic site modification.	01:10:43
	And for use as a jewelry shop for the David McDonald House.	01:10:48
	Designated as a historic site by Section 13.86, Point 02 of the City.	01:10:52
	Of holiday.	01:10:59
	Code located at 4659 S Highland Drive.	01:11:00
	Based upon the findings that the application.	01:11:04
	Meets the suggested findings within the packet.	01:11:08
	And additionally that.	01:11:11
	They retain and reuse the fence, as they've outlined in their presentation today.	01:11:14
	And that they also.	01:11:20
	Put in two.	01:11:21
	Small to medium trees that will work with the landscaping in front of the home.	01:11:23
	We probably ought to strike #4 and just have them comply with the ordinance.	01:11:30
	What's that?	01:11:35
	#4 on the.	01:11:36
	Conditions of approval.	01:11:37
	With the canal, strike that and just require him to.	01:11:40
	What do you call it? The water maintenance water.	01:11:43
	Preservation.	01:11:46
	OK. And then?	01:11:48
	OK, so opponent Commissioner Ken Hams amend that motion to also have the.	01:11:50
	Umm City compliant to the canal on the east side of the property.	01:11:58
	And or any additional parking be compliant with.	01:12:03
	City code standards.	01:12:07
	Commissioner Font second.	01:12:10
	All right, you have a second. We'll come down here.	01:12:12
	Commissioner Baron.	01:12:14
	Aye, Mr. Gong, I, Commissioner Prince, Aye, Commissioner full.	01:12:15
	Aye, Mr. Cunningham. Aye. And Chair Roche votes aye.	01:12:18
	So we look forward to see that progress. Thank you very much.	01:12:22
	All right.	01:12:26
	Can we request?	01:12:28
	We will now 3 minute for a quick three minute recess and be right back.	01:12:30

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	Good afternoon and welcome to the Holiday city planning.	00:00:00
	Commission work session.	00:00:04
	It is 534 on September 2nd, 2025. We have all Commissioners in attendance except our newest 1 Commissioner.	00:00:06
	Tripany.	00:00:15
	Trypani is not with us.	00:00:17
	And we have council and city staff, Miss Marsh. So with that we have.	00:00:19
	4 items on the agenda.	00:00:26
	Wait a minute.	00:00:29
	Five items on the agenda.	00:00:31
	But there's a recognition of service award for commissioner.	00:00:33
	Former Commissioner Bill Chinsky.	00:00:36
	I don't know what that is. Is she coming? Do we have something arranged?	00:00:39
	I've it will just be a.	00:00:43
	Recognition.	00:00:46
	All right, I didn't plan a speech or anything, so.	00:00:48
	I'll do the best I can and wing that.	00:00:51
	And then we have the public hearing for the McDonald.	00:00:53
	David McDonald, Historic Home and then three.	00:00:57
	Different things for Amare Vita.	00:01:01
	So with that.	00:01:04
	Tell us about the David MacDonald House.	00:01:06
	OK, really quick note to when I was looking at the.	00:01:10
	Staff report for.	00:01:15
	Items number 23.	00:01:18
	Forward realized that I didn't put the most current one in the packet.	00:01:19
	So.	00:01:25
	I'll have the current one up on the screen.	00:01:26
	And you all have a printed copy of the current one.	00:01:29
	The changes.	00:01:32
	Are on page.	00:01:35
	Three, there's some emissions.	00:01:37
	About variance.	00:01:40
	Page 6 emissions about a variance and page 7.	00:01:42
	So it's just taking out references to a variance.	00:01:46
	The new packet. That or staff report.	00:01:50
	UMM is discussing.	00:01:54
	Lot width and.	00:01:57
	A definition in our code.	00:01:59
	For exceptions to lot width.	00:02:01
	So we'll go over that once we get to that item, but that is.	00:02:03
	Kind of the change out and difference in the staff report.	00:02:06
	And I have the old.	00:02:09
	Up on the screen too, and then the.	00:02:12
	The new one too, so I'll show you specifically where those.	00:02:14
	Changes were made.	00:02:18
	OK. All right.	00:02:20
	So item number one, we'll start there.	00:02:22
	Or, umm.	00:02:25
	I guess it's actually #2 since we're skipping.	00:02:25
	My agenda has misnumbered.	00:02:29
	Items here because we've got Commissioner Bill Chinsky in there.	00:02:31
	And my screen is being.	00:02:35
	Very strange.	00:02:37
	OK, there we go.	00:02:39
	I think it's a chord.	00:02:41
	Way to go, you broke it.	00:02:51
	All right, how about you?	00:02:59
	Good, yeah.	00:03:01
	Missed you.	00:03:03
	I'm pretty sure we've gone off the rails entirely.	00:03:07
	I I.	00:03:11
	Tootsie rolls on my.	00:03:24
	Let me try reconnecting and see if that fixes it.	00:03:27
	There's no sign.	00:03:33
	In Africa Africa was in March.	00:03:44
	This most recent trip was just Hawaii.	00:03:48
	So I was I.	00:03:51
	Just Hawaii.	00:03:54
	Which island?	00:04:01
	Big.	00:04:02
	Of it I'm still to my.	00:04:04
	Aloha logo.	00:04:08
	At the Hawaiian 5 or Dime or whatever they call those tourist tours.	00:04:10
	Not this time. You did it.	00:04:18
	It's cool.	00:04:23
	Very cool.	00:04:24
	Are they like the Steve Irwin kind of manta rays? Like are there mortal pair?	00:04:27
	So.	00:04:32
	And they come around, you come watch them.	00:04:35
	How big are the Stingrays?	00:04:39
	What's the difference?	00:04:46
	I don't know.	00:04:47
	Just the little thing on the end of it that will kill you.	00:04:48
	Side.	00:04:51
	Oh, are they?	00:04:53
	You're attracted to the light.	00:04:57
	So you watch them at night? Did you do that?	00:04:59
	We did it.	00:05:02
	It's pretty cool.	00:05:03
	I've tried it and I just fall off her.	00:05:09
	Well.	00:05:17
	Sounds intense.	00:05:19
	It's been way too difficult.	00:05:20
	Good for you. Thanks a lot.	00:05:24
	If you know any good garage door guys let me know. I got 3 beds coming out this week.	00:05:43
	So you're working for well.	00:05:49
	It's old and beat up and.	00:05:54
	Monarch.	00:05:58
	Yeah.	00:06:02
	For surface repair or like.	00:06:03
	Probably both.	00:06:06
	There we go.	00:06:07
	Like Francesco Door or something?	00:06:17
	And we're back.	00:06:19
	I don't know why it struggles sometimes.	00:06:22
	All right, so let's go through.	00:06:25
	Our historical.	00:06:28
	Use and modifications item. This one is on.	00:06:30
	4659 S Highland Drive.	00:06:36
	This is the David McDonald House who was just added to the city code as a historical property on Thursday at City Council.	00:06:40
	And the new property owner.	00:06:48
	Is looking to use that.	00:06:51
	Location as a.	00:06:54
	Custom jewelry shop.	00:06:55
	And.	00:06:57
	So making some modifications and then also the the use is what the conditional use.	00:06:59
	Wouldn't tell the key.	00:07:04
	Part of the staff report is director John Terry.	00:07:07
	Review and recommendation.	00:07:12
	He goes through each of the levels of review on historical.	00:07:14
	Uses and modifications.	00:07:17
	Pretty detailed on there.	00:07:20
	The one that you may have.	00:07:25
	Questions on is this tall freeze element? I was not sure what that was myself but it is the trim piece.	00:07:27
	That is.	00:07:34
	Underneath umm.	00:07:35
	The soffit.	00:07:37
	I'll point it out.	00:07:43
	Picture here.	00:07:44
	So this term piece here.	00:07:49
	Like an exterior crown molding.	00:07:54
	Yeah, exterior Chrome.	00:07:56
	That's a good way to put it.	00:07:59
	So you can see it in the recent ones, but then also in the.	00:08:02
	Historical photos as well.	00:08:05
	A little bit less intense.	00:08:07
	On the original.	00:08:10
	And then possible.	00:08:12
	Built up overtime.	00:08:13
	So.	00:08:15
	The three items that.	00:08:17
	That John noted in his review.	00:08:23
	Were the addition of the rear porch.	00:08:26
	This second level edition.	00:08:30
	That would be the sun room.	00:08:32
	Area that's up above the.	00:08:34
	Addition.	00:08:36
	And that the freeze.	00:08:38
	Frisee from the upper.	00:08:39
	And then the scale of the column supporting the front porch.	00:08:42
	You can discuss those items with the applicant.	00:08:45
	And.	00:08:50
	Did you say this?	00:08:55
	Was sorry you say this was.	00:08:56
	Approved, Uh.	00:08:58
	As a historical building.	00:08:59
	In the last meeting of City Council.	00:09:01
	Yes.	00:09:04
	So our.	00:09:05
	Our code for historical buildings.	00:09:06
	Our historical sites.	00:09:10
	There wasn't a way to designate new buildings to.	00:09:13
	Our site designation list.	00:09:18
	So that was one of the changes that was made in the code modifications for historical site preservation.	00:09:20
	What was it earlier this year?	00:09:28
	So, and that is one of the.	00:09:30
	Homes that.	00:09:35
	Designated in the general plan is called out.	00:09:36
	It's already been on the National.	00:09:39
	Historic Register.	00:09:42
	So it was.	00:09:44
	Supported for the designation.	00:09:45
	So now that it's added into the code.	00:09:48
	In the historical sites.	00:09:50
	Now it's eligible for.	00:09:53
	Conditional use.	00:09:55
	So kind of the process to get it designated first.	00:09:57
	So then it's eligible for.	00:10:00
	Use and modification.	00:10:01
	So to clarify, what conditional use does that historic designation that it just got?	00:10:03
	Permit under.	00:10:09
	What we're going through like.	00:10:12
	Could it have not have just been a jewelry store in an old building without it?	00:10:14
	Yes, because it is.	00:10:18
	Zoned as RM.	00:10:20
	This is the similar to the other historic property that we've done a conditional use on.	00:10:22
	It's typically easier to go through a.	00:10:27
	Designation and the historic.	00:10:32
	Modification Conditional use permit.	00:10:36
	Rather than rezoning it to.	00:10:38
	That was an option that the property owner had available.	00:10:41
	But encouraged by staff to go through the historic.	00:10:45
	Site Preservation.	00:10:48
	OK. Thank you for clarifying.	00:10:49
	So there are no flight on.	00:10:52
	Site modific.	00:10:56
	Is really just the exterior of the building.	00:10:57
	Second level edition.	00:11:00
	Porch, ADA ramp and then some landscaping modifications.	00:11:02
	A gated entrance.	00:11:08
	At the front.	00:11:09
	And I think there was a one tree removal.	00:11:14
	In the front, yes. Yes there are.	00:11:16
	There were two pine trees up in the front that were removed.	00:11:20
	So just some replacement of those. They can be either on site or off site, whatever the.	00:11:24
	The Commission would.	00:11:29
	Would like to.	00:11:31
	Choose with the applicant.	00:11:33
	So we have to call that out in the.	00:11:37
	As part of the.	00:11:39
	Application uh.	00:11:41
	It's anytime you have an application.	00:11:42
	If there's modifications or tree removals, it requires a tree replacement.	00:11:44
	The applicant may have plans to put trees in the front yard.	00:11:52
	Or they.	00:11:56
	They may like to have up to half of the.	00:11:57
	Replacement trays required located off site.	00:12:00
	So if they had two that were required, they could replace one off site.	00:12:03
	Any other questions around?	00:12:14
	OK, I think we're ready to roll into the.	00:12:16
	The 234 items.	00:12:20
	OK. Or I guess 345 depending on how you number?	00:12:22
	And this one should be familiar.	00:12:29
	Had it as discussion items in our last agenda.	00:12:32
	Or our last meeting.	00:12:36
	Let me get to that location.	00:12:39
	OK.	00:12:58
	So this is the packet with the old.	00:13:00
	Information in it.	00:13:02
	This is the part that.	00:13:04
	Talks about the variance.	00:13:08
	That is removed in the modified 1.	00:13:10
	And then these couple of points.	00:13:14
	And.	00:13:17
	The approval this one.	00:13:21
	So at this point.	00:13:24
	And.	00:13:26
	This one.	00:13:29
	So those are all removed.	00:13:30
	This is the.	00:13:32
	Updated.	00:13:33
	So we'll just jump over to that.	00:13:34
	OK.	00:13:47
	I think we're all pretty clear on the process for this. It will be 3 public hearings.	00:13:49
	Concepts of division first.	00:13:55
	And then second will be the.	00:13:57
	Planned unit development.	00:13:59
	Conditional use, that's where.	00:14:00
	Most of the content is.	00:14:02
	And then the final will be incorporating the PUD elements into the preliminary plat.	00:14:04
	Probably most helpful to go through some of the PUD elements. Are there questions on those from?	00:14:11
	The last meeting.	00:14:18
	And then possibly on the.	00:14:20
	Concept subdivision as well.	00:14:22
	So let's go to. Let's start with that concept subdivision.	00:14:29
	And the change that was made.	00:14:33
	It is in.	00:14:38
	Area and.	00:14:44
	Some standards.	00:14:51
	OK, so this is the note on lot width.	00:14:56
	So the lot width is reduced from 100 feet due to significant trees and streams and floodplains.	00:14:59
	This is the definition of lot width and 13.04 point 040.	00:15:06
	Lotwith is based off the.	00:15:12
	Diameter of the largest circle that can be inscribed entirely within a lot.	00:15:14
	The lot which circles should not include streams, floodplains, wetlands, areas of 30% slower, greater or other natural.	00:15:19
	Hazard areas.	00:15:26
	Or a significant tree.	00:15:28
	Significantly.	00:15:31
	So.	00:15:33
	There is.	00:15:35
	Concepts of division layout that shows is overlaid on.	00:15:38
	Their tree plan.	00:15:44
	So those two things were.	00:15:46
	Merged together.	00:15:48
	So with the significant trees on there and then the.	00:15:55
	Waterway.	00:15:59
	Where the basis of reducing the lot width from 100 feet.	00:16:01
	To I think there's a range of 89 to 92 1/2.	00:16:05
	Feet. They're still meeting the front.	00:16:11
	Or the lot frontage.	00:16:14
	The overall width.	00:16:18
	It seems like they need to take one lot out of there to make it kind of work a little better.	00:16:25
	Looks like everything is kind of just jammed in there and it.	00:16:30
	Doesn't really add to the.	00:16:34
	The organic nature of what you're trying to create.	00:16:36
	Right. And that's.	00:16:40
	Where it has enough land area.	00:16:41
	For each of the lots.	00:16:44
	All meeting the.	00:16:47
	One acre size.	00:16:48
	The natural features on there with the trees and the.	00:16:50
	And the waterway is then what is reducing those lot with standards?	00:16:55
	To 92 ish on average from.	00:17:00
	100.	00:17:05
	But you can see that with the setbacks drawn on there.	00:17:07
	There isn't a practical building lot.	00:17:10
	That kind of.	00:17:14
	Defeats the.	00:17:15
	Point of dream.	00:17:16
	That they can do this but.	00:17:20
	So within the 92.	00:17:23
	As long as they build the building.	00:17:26
	Within that 92 circle with it, whatever it is, 510 foot set back on the side yard.	00:17:28
	Then they're still in compliance with.	00:17:34
	Oops, what's on there, right?	00:17:37
	Right with the LOT standards.	00:17:38
	I think the city has done a great job in trying to maintain the character here and I'd like to see.	00:17:43
	This subdivision kind of embraces.	00:17:47
	More of that idea rather than.	00:17:50
	Having a lot of different homes.	00:17:52
	That could be right next to each other.	00:17:55
	They would kind of look kind of odd.	00:17:57
	But I'll be quiet now.	00:17:59
	Yeah, I think that.	00:18:04
	Then that leads into.	00:18:05
	Some of the intent behind a PUD is so that you have more creative layout than what a standard.	00:18:10
	Subdivision. Uh.	00:18:16
	Would allow.	00:18:17
	So that you have some flexibility as to where.	00:18:19
	Structures can be placed, maybe some limitations on.	00:18:24
	Overall sizes.	00:18:27
	Related, I think to that.	00:18:34
	And there's some language about areas of coverage.	00:18:36
	And there's two different numbers.	00:18:41
	23 or 28% and 22 or 27.	00:18:44
	And if I could understand my notes.	00:18:48
	That was because of the.	00:18:51
	Pool it was in in the original plan.	00:18:52
	And I thought I heard last time that they didn't mean to put the pool on the documents we had.	00:18:55
	I just want to make sure that if we make a motion.	00:19:02
	Apparently that language is in the motion somewhere.	00:19:05
	And I just want to make sure.	00:19:08
	Which of those areas of coverage we're really improving?	00:19:11
	Talking about on page 4.	00:19:15
	Yeah, so we have.	00:19:18
	This is what the LOT standard is.	00:19:21
	For lot coverage.	00:19:23
	23% for structures.	00:19:26
	28% total.	00:19:28
	In the R143 zone.	00:19:30
	20% for structures, 33% total.	00:19:32
	Oh sorry, I reverse this. R143 first and then R187.	00:19:36
	For that second percent.	00:19:40
	We our code allows for a bonus coverage.	00:19:43
	So that would then increase.	00:19:47
	The total block coverage up.	00:19:49
	10%.	00:19:51
	So those same standards could be applied, but.	00:19:53
	The.	00:19:56
	The Commission would have to decide on the rationale, because it is.	00:19:58
	Two different standards across two different zones.	00:20:02
	So.	00:20:05
	You could.	00:20:06
	Either, umm.	00:20:07
	Apply that lot coverage standard to each zone sort so each side of the tree can say this is the standard for this side and this is	00:20:08
	the standard for this side.	00:20:12
	Or you can.	00:20:16
	Create a project overall.	00:20:17
	Standard.	00:20:20
	Which is somewhere between the two.	00:20:21
	Do we have what that recommend is recommendation is in the staff report already there is a recommendation?	00:20:27
	Where the proposal?	00:20:33
	Is seeking to shift.	00:20:37
	One of the dwelling units to the east side of the Creek.	00:20:39
	It seemed a little bit less complicated.	00:20:43
	To just have a kind of middle line standard that applies across the whole project.	00:20:46
	And I think that the recommendation was.	00:20:52
	22%.	00:20:55
	Since most of the land is and the R143 zone.	00:21:00
	And that's not approval of the PUD.	00:21:04
	Yeah, that would be one of the conditions of the beauty.	00:21:09
	That's where you can put a limitation.	00:21:13
	On that coverage.	00:21:15
	That he'll pencil out for you, Commissioner.	00:21:25
	Yeah.	00:21:28
	Yeah. So this is the.	00:21:29
	Yeah, this is the part I was talking about.	00:21:33
	Simplification.	00:21:35
	That a coverage maximum for the entire project at either 2328 for our 1:43.	00:21:37
	Or midpoint between the two.	00:21:43
	60% of the project areas in the R143 zone.	00:21:47
	Coverage limit of 22.	00:21:51
	And 27 total.	00:21:53
	Is what is recommended, but that's also.	00:21:55
	Can't be discussed with the applicant.	00:21:58
	As it's a more.	00:22:01
	Arbitrary thing. There's more unknowns where they don't know what the size of their structures will be, but then they can take	00:22:02
	that as the project overall.	00:22:06
	And kind of subtract.	00:22:10
	Total coverage out of the project as they go along.	00:22:13
	So maybe by the time they get to the last house there may not be a lot of structure coverage left.	00:22:18
	Be a really skinny bunkhouse.	00:22:26
	Yeah, and that creates some of that limitation.	00:22:28
	To make sure that there's not just.	00:22:31
	Large structures that are.	00:22:35
	Covering the.	00:22:37
	The entire property, the percentage based coverage.	00:22:37
	Creates a natural limitation.	00:22:41
	All right, other questions around the.	00:22:47
	Concept or PUD elements?	00:22:51
	Do we have any questions on the preliminary plat?	00:22:57
	For.	00:23:01
	Oh, the other thing, Commissioner Roche, that we can talk about is this one or two acre parcel analysis.	00:23:04
	That is.	00:23:10
	Addition since the last meeting.	00:23:12
	Umm, this shows.	00:23:14
	What?	00:23:18
	How many parcels are two acres in each zone?	00:23:19
	And then how many?	00:23:22
	Parcels are.	00:23:23
	One acre.	00:23:25
	So the three.	00:23:27
	Parcels involved here are or sorry for.	00:23:29
	These ones here.	00:23:33
	Most of the parcels in the R143 zone are conforming or in some cases.	00:23:35
	Over conforming so they're larger than an acre.	00:23:41
	Up to 2 acres.	00:23:46
	There's a few.	00:23:47
	Parcels here in the R187 zone that are smaller.	00:23:49
	Than two acres.	00:23:53
	But if everything is approved on what they've.	00:23:59
	The applicants brought forward today, then that would.	00:24:01
	All those would be.	00:24:07
	Not highlighted because they'd all be less than an acre at that point, except for the one.	00:24:10
	In the R187.	00:24:14
	Is that right?	00:24:16
	Right.	00:24:17
	Which is also the nature of.	00:24:20
	Beauties where you're going to create property that.	00:24:22
	Is not going to be.	00:24:26
	Necessarily a full.	00:24:27
	Conformity with the zone. There's just enough land in that.	00:24:29
	Area for.	00:24:32
	To meet the requirements of the zone.	00:24:34
	Thank you for clarifying that.	00:24:45
	And that's why it's recorded on the plat as well as being a PUD.	00:24:47
	When pewdies are created, you have your overall project area.	00:24:57
	And then you have your set building areas that are recorded and then you can't expand outside of those.	00:25:00
	So those have been done since.	00:25:06
	Before holiday incorporated under Salt Lake County.	00:25:09
	There's several developments.	00:25:12
	That are pretty large scale developments that have.	00:25:14
	They resulted in lots that are smaller than the zone standard.	00:25:18
	But the trade off is then that there's open space that's common or.	00:25:22
	Shifted to other areas within the project instead of having each individual lot to meet the.	00:25:26
	Meet the lot size standard.	00:25:32
	Will any of the properties fall as low as the R121 standard though?	00:25:36
	With what's being proposed.	00:25:41
	No.	00:25:43
	The other question we had from the other.	00:25:49
	From the previous meeting.	00:25:52
	Was tree detail.	00:25:54
	And the applicant added some additional.	00:25:56
	Detail on their tree plan.	00:26:00
	That shows the.	00:26:02
	Canopy area that's being removed.	00:26:05
	So that's the cloud.	00:26:09
	Areas that you'll see in red.	00:26:12
	So the red diagonal hash lines are.	00:26:15
	Where there's roadway.	00:26:19
	Underneath the canopy as well.	00:26:22
	I think this is canopy that comes over.	00:26:27
	They you can go through that with the applicant.	00:26:29
	So the line.	00:26:32
	The red.	00:26:33
	Circles are canopy removal. Or that's just canopy existence.	00:26:34
	Let's see.	00:26:40
	So it's the.	00:26:41
	The hash.	00:26:43
	Cloud headlines and you can't tell that it's little zigzag.	00:26:46
	Around it.	00:26:48
	It is. So it's this existing tree canopy to be removed.	00:26:49
	Is.	00:26:53
	This area.	00:26:55
	OK. And then tree canopy tree?	00:26:57
	Is outside here, so there's identification of canopy.	00:27:00
	That's staying and then some canopy that's being removed. So you have some that's being removed here for Rd.	00:27:04
	You have can't tree canopy being removed here for a Rd.	00:27:11
	And then the actual trees associated with.	00:27:15
	Each of those.	00:27:18
	So on that.	00:27:19
	There's tree canopy to remain with a house built literally in the middle of that big red circle, right?	00:27:21
	On this one.	00:27:29
	One down.	00:27:30
	One down this one, yeah.	00:27:31
	Yeah, the.	00:27:34
	It doesn't have all of the tree canopy on that. They may be some smaller trees.	00:27:40
	Umm.	00:27:46
	But all of those details are.	00:27:54
	OK, things that I'm sure the applicant can.	00:27:56
	Go over in more detail with you. All right, Well, I just want to make sure I understand what I'm looking at on that, so thank you.	00:27:59
	I think that was all of the.	00:28:08
	Things that came up from the last meeting.	00:28:10
	With the question, with the pool that's taken off, that was just kind of a.	00:28:14
	Idea, but it's not.	00:28:18
	Not set as a.	00:28:21
	Determined thing in their plan.	00:28:23
	One of the lots that is referenced.	00:28:26
	Is.	00:28:28
	This lot.	00:28:31
	Where the front of that can go either way, so there's not a set back that's.	00:28:32
	Really portrayed on it.	00:28:37
	Just because there's flexibility there with where that house may end up.	00:28:39
	OK. And.	00:28:44
	So on setbacks too, I wanted to go over that as well.	00:28:48
	And we talked about this a little bit the last time.	00:28:54
	It's not this one.	00:28:57
	Utility.	00:28:59
	I think the pool is still on there, but it's not supposed to be there.	00:29:08
	We'll include that as removed.	00:29:12
	Or note that.	00:29:15
	To ignore the rendering of the pool on page 98.	00:29:40
	Yeah, there's.	00:29:45
	It's there on a couple of pages.	00:29:46
	Results here on this one too.	00:29:48
	It is conceptual in nature, not.	00:29:53
	A commitment.	00:29:57
	OK.	00:30:02
	Sorry, I'm trying to see where that.	00:30:07
	Where the setbacks are designated on what sheet?	00:30:09
	I think it's on this one.	00:30:15
	No, it's not.	00:30:21
	So is that anything that needs to be called out in the motion or is that just?	00:30:23
	Copy paste from the lack lost packet and not.	00:30:27
	Applicable.	00:30:30
	I thought that I put the updated.	00:30:32
	Plans with the applicant provided in the packet.	00:30:36
	I'll double check that and we can pull them.	00:30:40
	If needed.	00:30:43
	OK.	00:30:54
	So on setbacks, this is where you'll see the narrow set back on this side.	00:30:59
	And then it increases to 20 feet.	00:31:03
	Over here.	00:31:06
	So for the first.	00:31:07
	89 feet.	00:31:12
	Roughly.	00:31:14
	You'll have a 20 foot set back on that side.	00:31:15
	And then there's an additional 10 foot set back.	00:31:18
	We were talking about some of these utility easements the last time.	00:31:21
	So it's good to point out.	00:31:24
	Where those utility easements are that there wouldn't be structures within the utility easements.	00:31:26
	So while this just has a 20 foot set back.	00:31:31
	With the additional utility easement that has 30 feet.	00:31:34
	That's detailed in the staff report. It's a little bit closer here and then flares out further.	00:31:40
	Depending on where that structure.	00:31:47
	Ends up.	00:31:49
	This one has a 20 foot set back built in on either side of the road.	00:31:51
	So this structure could be.	00:31:57
	Up here more, or it could be down here further. There's not really a front step back on lot #8.	00:32:00
	20 foot step back on.	00:32:07
	The uh.	00:32:09
	Side umm.	00:32:10
	That's Holiday Blvd.	00:32:11
	And then 20 foot set back on this side.	00:32:13
	And then each of the.	00:32:16
	Lots have a 5 foot utility easement.	00:32:18
	Between each of them.	00:32:23
	And.	00:32:25
	The utility easement along with a Rd.	00:32:27
	I think there was a question of the property line along there, so the property is owned to.	00:32:31
	A to a specific.	00:32:36
	Line to the middle of the road.	00:32:39
	The utility easement is set within the road.	00:32:41
	And.	00:32:45
	Than the building area is identified as the area that's outside of the road.	00:32:47
	So the minimum separation between buildings is 10 feet, correct? Because that's where the PU.	00:32:53
	Mm-hmm. Yes.	00:32:59
	And then all structures are 100 foot set back from the stream.	00:33:02
	Yes, or Creek.	00:33:06
	Yeah, so.	00:33:09
	Without.	00:33:10
	If this was a standard subdivision or.	00:33:12
	Standard lot.	00:33:15
	This would have just a 50 foot set back from the Creek.	00:33:16
	On this side, because this is a previously developed lot.	00:33:20
	And then seeing what this parcel.	00:33:24
	Is that it would have a 50 foot set back.	00:33:26
	So they're increasing that step back to the full 100 feet.	00:33:28
	Where it would only have been 50 feet otherwise.	00:33:32
	If someone were to.	00:33:35
	Remove the house as is on that parcel.	00:33:37
	They could build up to 50 feet from the Creek.	00:33:40
	So, umm.	00:33:43
	That's where that extra.	00:33:44
	Area that they are not required to have in there they could.	00:33:46
	Jog in that protection area.	00:33:50
	50 feet for each of those parcels, but they just.	00:33:52
	Included it as 100 feet.	00:33:55
	So additional.	00:33:57
	50 feet across both of those parcels.	00:33:58
	And that's what's.	00:34:01
	Called out in the.	00:34:02
	PUD, yes.	00:34:05
	Application.	00:34:07
	All right. Any other questions because I know we're overdue to get our meeting started. Just one question, when were the adjacent	00:34:10
	property?	00:34:13
	Owners noticed.	00:34:16
	They were noticed.	00:34:19
	We sent out an initial notice before we did the.	00:34:21
	The zone map boundary.	00:34:25
	So they had a notice in.	00:34:27
	July.	00:34:29
	So the end of July.	00:34:30
	Than we did the.	00:34:32
	Hearing the 12th of.	00:34:36
	August.	00:34:40
	So they were noticed for that.	00:34:40
	And then we sent out a notice for the first meeting.	00:34:43
	And then sent out a meeting a notice for this second meeting.	00:34:47
	So they have had.	00:34:50
	3 notices for the same project and there was number response.	00:34:52
	Yep, no comments.	00:34:57
	Thank you.	00:34:58
	Alrighty, well with that, unless there's any other questions about this, we'll get the work session closed. Anyone need a quick?	00:35:00
	Break before we roll into the official meeting.	00:35:08
	Everybody good.	00:35:10
	OK, so with that, you let me know. We were good to go, Kerry.	00:35:11
	Yeah, we are good to go.	00:35:17
	All right. Thank you very much.	00:35:19
	So good evening and welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission. It is 6:10. Thanks for your patience if you've been waiting	00:35:20
	on us.	00:35:24
	Um, we have.	00:35:27
	All but the newest member of commissioners in attendance city staff.	00:35:30
	And council.	00:35:35
	And we have.	00:35:36
	Five items on the agenda.	00:35:38
	Four of them public hearings.	00:35:40
	And before we get going and working through all of those, I have asked Vice Chair Prince if she would read the opening statement	00:35:42
	for any members of the public.	00:35:46
	The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board whose function is to review land use plans and other special	00:35:51
	studies.	00:35:55
	Make recommendations to the City Council on proposed zoning map and ordinance changes.	00:35:59
	And approve conditional uses in subdivisions.	00:36:04
	The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications.	00:36:08
	Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted.	00:36:11
	Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings.	00:36:15
	Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda where the location.	00:36:19
	The nature of the neighborhood. Existing structures.	00:36:24
	And uses related to the proposed change are noted.	00:36:27
	Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the professional planning staff.	00:36:31
	The city's general plan, zoning ordinance and other reports.	00:36:36
	By all verbal and written comments and by evidence submitted.	00:36:40
	All of which are part of the public record.	00:36:44
	Thank you very much.	00:36:47
	All right. And with that, the first item we have on our agenda tonight is an acknowledgment of service.	00:36:49
	For former Commissioner Gingerville Chinsky.	00:36:55
	Commission just wants to recognize the time that she served as a planning commissioner and thank her for.	00:37:00
	Her efforts and all the time she's given to the community.	00:37:06
	And helping helping.	00:37:10
	Make holiday a great place to live.	00:37:12
	So.	00:37:14
	Ginger if you're watching.	00:37:19
	All right. And then we have our first public hearing item on here, which is the David McDonald Historic Home.	00:37:21
	And Miss Marsh, I'm not going to call you up to the podium because you got all your stuff set up there, but if you want to give us	00:37:30
	just a quick rundown on this.	00:37:34
	Absolutely.	00:37:38
	All right.	00:37:42
	This is our newest.	00:37:43
	Historic house or site designation? It was just designated through the City Council on Thursday.	00:37:46
	Last week.	00:37:52
	This property is known as the David McDonald House. It's located at 4659 S Highland Drive.	00:37:53
	Has been used as offices and.	00:38:01
	Umm residential treatment facility for some time.	00:38:04
	And is now going through the process to be designated as a historic property and make some modifications to.	00:38:08
	For new use.	00:38:15
	And some improvements to the to the property.	00:38:17
	The first couple of pages review what is in.	00:38:23
	The historic code.	00:38:27
	For the city.	00:38:29
	A review of uses as to what uses would be.	00:38:32
	Conditional within the.	00:38:36
	In a historic.	00:38:38
	Site other uses of similar intensity to the above.	00:38:39
	It is being proposed for use as a jewelry store.	00:38:44
	Doing custom jewelry, very low scale.	00:38:48
	Very similar to an antique shop or art shop.	00:38:51
	The site does have limited parking.	00:38:55
	The property owners seeking to improve some of the parking there both with.	00:38:58
	Refinishing the parking lot and adding some additional parking spots to.	00:39:02
	Meet the requirements for.	00:39:06
	Their use.	00:39:08
	The staff report goes through some of the.	00:39:11
	Historic details of the property.	00:39:14
	Was built in 1890.	00:39:16
	By David and Arabella McDonald.	00:39:18
	They immigrated to Utah from Scotland in 1869.	00:39:20
	David was with Blacksmith and his black ship.	00:39:25
	Smith's shop was located.	00:39:28
	Close to the property.	00:39:30
	Family has owned.	00:39:33
	The house. For quite some time they lived there.	00:39:35
	Or David and Arabelle lived there until 1912.	00:39:39
	And, umm.	00:39:41
	My understanding is that family members continue to own the house.	00:39:43
	Through umm.	00:39:46
	I believe that.	00:39:48
	Nineties 2000s of.	00:39:49
	Applicant can.	00:39:52
	Summarize some of that for you too.	00:39:53
	There's you can see the original.	00:39:56
	Picture of the house.	00:39:59
	And some modifications that were made in 1912 with adding a porch.	00:40:00
	The on the rear side of the property.	00:40:06
	Currently there is a.	00:40:10
	Rear porch.	00:40:14
	Likely in the.	00:40:17
	60s, maybe earlier.	00:40:19
	It could have been earlier.	00:40:22
	There's not really a known date on when a rare addition was made.	00:40:23
	But it was definitely present in 1977.	00:40:27
	So the applicant is proposing some changes to that as there's some structural issues.	00:40:32
	This rear.	00:40:37
	And closure.	00:40:39
	So they're proposing to.	00:40:40
	Remove that and modify it to address the structural issues and add a second level as a sunroom.	00:40:43
	Other modifications.	00:40:51
	Are to the front of the house.	00:40:53
	With adding some Ada access.	00:40:56
	And a porch so they'll have ADA access off to this front side.	00:41:01
	Porch to cover that.	00:41:06
	Access around.	00:41:08
	Similar to the Porsche that was added on in 1912.	00:41:10
	The windows will all be changed out for security and also energy efficiency reasons there.	00:41:16
	Adding these paned windows styles.	00:41:23
	The frame of the window is not changing at all, so we'll still have the upper.	00:41:26
	Area. That's a solid.	00:41:31
	Surface. There are stained glass windows here and here, and I believe those are.	00:41:34
	Both stay, but you can clarify that with the applicant since they're not shown in this architectural drawing.	00:41:40
	Some modifications, just generally to landscaping.	00:41:47
	There were two large pine trees in the front.	00:41:50
	Of the property.	00:41:53
	There's power lines there, so replacing those with tall trees might be difficult, but.	00:41:54
	The applicant may be open to replacing with some smaller trees in the front yard.	00:42:00
	I'm trying to think what else we had in here.	00:42:05
	Oh, the other notable piece is that.	00:42:09
	There has historically been this Trump piece below.	00:42:13
	Below the roofline.	00:42:20
	You can discuss with the applicant about.	00:42:22
	Openness to modify to including that in.	00:42:25
	In their modifications.	00:42:29
	The other.	00:42:31
	Review or the other item noted.	00:42:33
	By the director was.	00:42:37
	That was a second level edition with the.	00:42:42
	Sun Sun porch.	00:42:45
	Freeze from the upper cornice.	00:42:47
	And then the scale of the columns supporting the front porch, so we can go back to that.	00:42:49
	Architectural Drawing.	00:42:55
	And take a look at the rear.	00:42:58
	The other note in the historic registry.	00:43:01
	The fence that's on the site was.	00:43:05
	Originally constructed I believe in 1912. You could see in that photo.	00:43:07
	A suggestion to possibly include that on the site somewhere.	00:43:13
	If it's not going to be used in the front of the site to incorporate it since it is noted on the historic registers being.	00:43:18
	Originally, umm.	00:43:25
	Created for the house.	00:43:27
	This is the elevation of the rear.	00:43:31
	Side so we can see.	00:43:34
	That rear addition?	00:43:36
	Being updated.	00:43:39
	More structurally, sound will actually have a foundation instead of just being poured on.	00:43:40
	S Lab on grade.	00:43:45
	And then the sun porch about the front.	00:43:46
	Or above.	00:43:48
	You can still see some of the windows through that.	00:43:50
	Glass that retains the look of.	00:43:53
	Some of the brick.	00:43:54
	Any questions from the Commission on?	00:43:56
	Items in the staff report.	00:44:00
	Just a.	00:44:04
	Clarifying, maybe this is a question better for the applicant, but.	00:44:05
	In the register.	00:44:08
	In the renderings, it does look like there is a.	00:44:09
	An iron fence, is it not?	00:44:12
	The same fence that's.	00:44:14
	They're currently.	00:44:16
	On this one.	00:44:17
	It might just be a rendering. It might be the same fence that.	00:44:19
	You can have that.	00:44:22
	And there is.	00:44:24
	A list of suggested findings from the TRC.	00:44:26
	Are those?	00:44:31
	All things that need to be covered with the applicant or are those already worked out in the attached?	00:44:32
	August 28.	00:44:39
	Addendum with.	00:44:43
	John Tierlink.	00:44:45
	Most of those.	00:44:48
	Findings are taken from the.	00:44:49
	Applicants narrative or letter of intent.	00:44:52
	And then with some of the details that were provided from the contractor as to the scope of the work.	00:44:55
	Umm, it is.	00:45:01
	If there's any modifications to those findings.	00:45:04
	You could go through each of those with the applicant and just make sure that they're.	00:45:08
	In agreeance with each of those or any of those need to be modified.	00:45:11
	OK.	00:45:17
	So that's the applicant property summary. I'm talking about the suggested findings under the technical review committee those,	00:45:19
	yes.	00:45:22
	I don't want to spend all night going back and forth looking at each one. I'm just curious, is there anything that's listed in	00:45:28
	here that's not?	00:45:31
	In the summarized narrative on this last page.	00:45:36
	That we need to. The other thing would just be trees.	00:45:39
	If you want to include that as a condition.	00:45:42
	The trees.	00:45:44
	OK. And as far as the?	00:45:46
	And then the.	00:45:51
	What is it called? The Freesia?	00:45:53
	Oh, the fruity frizzy is the right pronunciation.	00:45:54
	I am not an architect.	00:45:58
	I don't know. I'm not revenge.	00:46:00
	All right. Any other questions for city staff on this?	00:46:05
	Do we want to invite the applicant up to give additional?	00:46:09
	Q&A for us.	00:46:12
	Hopefully more a.	00:46:16
	How are we?	00:46:17
	If I answer your first question, my name is John Brooks Branscomb. I'm the owner of J Brooks Jewelers.	00:46:21
	Sorry, Mr. Branscomb, will you hit that power button on the top edge of that?	00:46:26
	Right there.	00:46:30
	Thank you.	00:46:32
	I don't know if I hit it right or not. Here we go, Kerry.	00:46:33
	I see it now.	00:46:35
	Can you hear me better now?	00:46:35
	OK, my name is John Brooks Transcom, the owner of Jay Brooks Jewelers and.	00:46:37
	We've been looking at this building for about a year.	00:46:41
	And finally decided to buy it. To answer your first question, if I tried to remove that fence in the front, my wife would divorce	00:46:44
	me.	00:46:47
	So that will definitely be part of.	00:46:51
	All of it because of the way the architect wants to build a little entrance there. They'll probably have some room on each side	00:46:53
	that will take the extra extension of that.	00:46:56
	Have to be removed, repaired, patched and then reinstalled.	00:47:00
	But when we're finished, our intention is to.	00:47:04
	Use that exactly the way it is, and then to mimic that up on the porch when we add the other.	00:47:07
	Pieces.	00:47:14
	We thought adding the porch made the most sense because there have been a porch for so many years.	00:47:15
	And then for the continuity and especially for the.	00:47:19
	Ada ramp. It made sense to.	00:47:22
	Cover it.	00:47:25
	So if somebody doesn't walk outside.	00:47:26
	And our weather and.	00:47:28
	That would be a bad thing, so.	00:47:29
	So that's the thing we want to do because the trees were so big and the ground.	00:47:32
	To our knowledge, has not been watered in five years.	00:47:36
	They were dead.	00:47:39
	And as much as I love trees, I'm from North Carolina.	00:47:40
	There's just no way to save them and make it look right.	00:47:44
	But the architect assures me that if we need to plant more trees that we can incorporate trees easily into the plan.	00:47:46
	Would they be big?	00:47:53
	No, you know.	00:47:54
	But I think that we will.	00:47:56
	You know, build some. We haven't done the architectural plan for the landscaping yet, correct?	00:47:58
	But.	00:48:02
	We're very open to making sure everybody.	00:48:04
	You know, loves what we do as far as that goes.	00:48:06
	On that subject, on the back because of parking.	00:48:09
	There's an old abandoned.	00:48:12
	In the back there there's an old abandoned.	00:48:15
	Canal that hasn't had water in it for 30 years. It's blocked on the bank side.	00:48:18
	And then under the on the holiday condominium side, it goes under the driveway but has no water in it and.	00:48:24
	The 90 year old great granddaughter came in there and told us it used to be a pond with Swans.	00:48:30
	That, that's a Galaxy gone by.	00:48:35
	So we have the surveyor been out this last week.	00:48:38
	Include where the property line really is.	00:48:42
	Because there's two fences with the canal in between.	00:48:45
	And so once we get that up if the.	00:48:49
	And the holiday and the condominiums behind us, they're willing to sell whatever we need.	00:48:52
	To build some additional diagonal parking.	00:48:56
	Behind the building.	00:48:58
	Without really changing from the front, you would notice it at all, and there's.	00:49:00
	A lot more room over in the corner next to the bank than you might realize where we can hide A.	00:49:03
	Dumpster and things like that without him being really seen.	00:49:10
	So there's a.	00:49:13
	There's a lot more room when you get into this corner than you might think, and again with the condominiums there.	00:49:14
	Happy to anything they don't have to take care of.	00:49:19
	They're happy to sell and get rid of off of their plate.	00:49:22
	So we're just waiting for the.	00:49:25
	Surveyor to come through and to do that.	00:49:27
	In the end, we're.	00:49:30
	We're all about life celebrations as a business.	00:49:32
	And creating.	00:49:35
	Lifetime memories. So the last thing we want to do.	00:49:36
	Is change the look of this home so much that you wouldn't recognize it?	00:49:39
	The McDonald children grant great grandchildren who were 80.	00:49:43
	88 and 90 came by the store over the last 3-4 weeks. We've met them all.	00:49:47
	And they're so excited.	00:49:52
	In fact, one of the great granddaughters painted this picture that's up on the screen.	00:49:54
	And she said that there's.	00:49:58
	He said they're so excited that the house is going to be used and returned to its former.	00:50:00
	For lack of a better term, glory.	00:50:04
	The way that it looks.	00:50:06
	The.	00:50:08
	The the back porch just by way of information according to the.	00:50:10
	In 1941, when he was born, he said that back porch has been there as an open porch his entire life.	00:50:15
	And he has no memory of it not being there.	00:50:21
	And nor did his two great his sisters, who are 90 and 8889. They said that's been there forever.	00:50:24
	And that before it was open.	00:50:30
	And that's where she hit all the treats.	00:50:31
	So they would sit on the back porch.	00:50:33
	Unfortunately.	00:50:36
	We want to add.	00:50:38
	Because the room is limited, we want to add a vault.	00:50:39
	In that and those vaults weigh.	00:50:42
	You know, 8 to 10,000 lbs.	00:50:44
	And so the foundation, as Kerry explained so well, is just not, doesn't tolerate it.	00:50:47
	So the only way to fix it is to tear it off.	00:50:52
	And rebuild it.	00:50:55
	And while we're turning it off and rebuild it, it made sense.	00:50:56
	To build this little porch.	00:50:59
	For lots of different usages and social events and promotions that we would plan to do.	00:51:02
	Over the time.	00:51:08
	As far as impact, we're a low impact user, nothing like the coffee shop a block to our South.	00:51:09
	Which is probably having 3 or 405 hundred cars a day.	00:51:14
	We're probably a 15 to 20 car a day kind of business.	00:51:18
	And we do intend to keep the drive up window for as a.	00:51:24
	Trying to work it into our and our model of business which is different as a pickup window.	00:51:28
	So when people have three kids in the car and don't want to get or it's bad weather or whatever the scenario might be.	00:51:32
	So we would probably leave that alone. That's kind of our plan.	00:51:38
	Is the only one like it in the state, and that would be kind of.	00:51:42
	Fun so.	00:51:44
	In a nutshell, that connects.	00:51:46
	Is the.	00:51:48
	We had the driveway.	00:51:50
	We have the foundation examined as you know, the foundation.	00:51:52
	Made it through an earthquake.	00:51:56
	Didn't have any issues.	00:51:58
	And.	00:52:00
	With the exception of a small retaining wall.	00:52:01
	The previous owner.	00:52:04
	Swears that the inside has looked like that his entire 31 years he owned the building.	00:52:07
	And.	00:52:13
	And that the.	00:52:14
	The paving company promises that they won't be bringing in any 10 ton bulldozers to do anything that we have to worry about.	00:52:16
	Those kind of things.	00:52:25
	And so they're standing by. We have removed.	00:52:26
	A number of trees forward, completely dead.	00:52:29
	Getting ready to fall in the house.	00:52:32
	The rest of them we just removed all the four.	00:52:33
	And we clean it up. So if you have a chance, do you want to drive through? There is a dumpster back there, so don't go speeding on	00:52:36
	a big circle.	00:52:39
	But it is we started the process of cleaning it up and.	00:52:42
	And just getting ready. We didn't really want to do too much until you said.	00:52:46
	You can have a conditional use permit.	00:52:50
	And use this space.	00:52:52
	And so we want to.	00:52:54
	We want to be good neighbors. We I live in Mill Creek just.	00:52:55
	Three blocks to the due West of exactly where the building is.	00:52:59
	We want to.	00:53:03
	Return it to it, the beauty.	00:53:04
	House has been empty for five years, the.	00:53:06
	Took 25 people to clean up the lot but it was just a mess.	00:53:09
	And so I think when we're finished, I think it will be just as beautiful as the renditions.	00:53:13
	Do. Our architect and designer are both amazing and.	00:53:17
	And I think.	00:53:21
	The building that's down on Highland a little further, the brand new building is down between 33rd, 39th and 33rd with the.	00:53:23
	All the brick and all the beautiful landscaping with the.	00:53:31
	The white blue, that's kind of the look where we're going to go is kind of a Southern.	00:53:34
	Flavor just a little bit.	00:53:37
	And I think when we're finished, it would be beautiful.	00:53:40
	That's a quick summary. I think of everything that.	00:53:44
	I heard but I'm happy to answer any question and the architect is here.	00:53:46
	Who's happy to answer any technical question.	00:53:50
	So you're amenable to having a couple.	00:53:52
	Calling their trees up.	00:53:55
	In that front that I'm sure you.	00:53:57
	I'm sure that there would be something that would be skinny and linear.	00:53:59
	So Cory, do you have any spouse on that?	00:54:08
	I would be I would caution against the.	00:54:13
	What we'd be looking for?	00:54:17
	Is the design concept for that area is a very automatic here?	00:54:19
	European style garden.	00:54:24
	Brick walkways.	00:54:29
	Gardens.	00:54:30
	I pretty much get too much of A tree that actually block or.	00:54:32
	Take out too much of that.	00:54:37
	We haven't gotten.	00:54:40
	Project as well.	00:54:50
	Place that if you're not.	00:54:51
	Speedrite bias so.	00:54:54
	But we are mentioned. Why?	00:54:57
	Create a landscape plan that is very upscale and celebratory to.	00:55:06
	Makes sense?	00:55:12
	Just ask because you know, we're Tree City and I'm sure on the way.	00:55:14
	Evening or western afternoon sun in the summer. You know, it's nice to have some shade on that building, but.	00:55:18
	Understandable.	00:55:25
	You know, with the limitations of the landscape.	00:55:26
	Umm, as I'm looking at the suggested conditions of approval that are under the TRC, sounds like retention of the fence is planned	00:55:30
	and you're good with that one.	00:55:34
	It's listed as no improvements within 20 feet of the canal on the east side of the property.	00:55:40
	So it sounds like you're kind of.	00:55:45
	Loose on what's going to happen with that or.	00:55:48
	Well.	00:55:50
	I did not read that.	00:55:54
	So we want to.	00:55:56
	What we want to do to make it work?	00:55:57
	Have enough retail parking?	00:55:59
	Is we want to pay from the back of the house, from the building all the way to the fence line?	00:56:00
	Where the condominiums?	00:56:06
	Densly. Currently.	00:56:08
	And that allows us to the room.	00:56:09
	To be able to park additional cars so we have enough.	00:56:11
	Parking stalls relative to the amount of space we have, which is about 2500 feet.	00:56:15
	And so if we don't.	00:56:20
	We have to be if we don't pave over that canal which is talking to.	00:56:21
	One of our friends who's a former water.	00:56:26
	Specialist has talked to.	00:56:29
	Everybody who's involved in that and no one thinks that canal is an active canal in any form or fashion.	00:56:31
	And so the only question was who owns it?	00:56:36
	And so whether is it us or is it the?	00:56:39
	Condominium County. So one of the one of the things that would be essential is for us to be able to pave.	00:56:42
	Back to that, because right now all they've used for for the last 30 years is to dump.	00:56:47
	And we we've the clippings of every tree for 30 years is in that.	00:56:52
	Things that we've taken out.	00:56:57
	And that the space is much bigger than we thought.	00:56:59
	So if the surveyors come back, then it works easily enough and the.	00:57:02
	Baby Company's already been there, Kilgore Company and said no problem to do it, no problem to change anything. No trees need to	00:57:06
	be removed, which is good.	00:57:10
	Just a little trimming, which most of that's done.	00:57:15
	So how far is the?	00:57:17
	Canal from the building.	00:57:19
	Your I would say 10.	00:57:21
	Yeah.	00:57:27
	Probably 24 feet.	00:57:30
	From the back kitchen.	00:57:31
	That's why we had the property surveyed this.	00:57:42
	So we could try and reconcile to have.	00:57:45
	As we do understand.	00:57:48
	There are two fences there, just don't know which ones which.	00:57:49
	And how long the expenses have also been there?	00:57:52
	Purposes to it is.	00:57:56
	So we have. We're trying to do that.	00:58:02
	So, Carrie, have you looked at the?	00:58:07
	How they're gonna park here?	00:58:08
	So parking.	00:58:11
	Would just be.	00:58:13
	Based off of the use.	00:58:14
	If they're going to add some parking in the back.	00:58:15
	I would say that.	00:58:18
	Reasonable condition would be just a.	00:58:20
	Following uh.	00:58:22
	Code for.	00:58:23
	Waterway protection.	00:58:26
	So that requires.	00:58:27
	A property owner to work with the canal company if there's any modifications made.	00:58:31
	Within a.	00:58:36
	Canal area. So if it is an abandoned canal.	00:58:37
	Then they work that out. We have verification that that it is an abandoned canal.	00:58:40
	Then the waterway protection.	00:58:47
	Don't believe would apply in that case.	00:58:51
	Waterway protection is we're about 20 foot distance comes in.	00:58:53
	It is to protect banks.	00:58:57
	From erosion and to maintain trees.	00:58:59
	Along canals so that they remain.	00:59:02
	Have good integrity.	00:59:07
	In their bank, but.	00:59:09
	So conditions could be.	00:59:10
	Just compliance with waterway protection.	00:59:13
	And also complaints with.	00:59:16
	Tree canopy sustainability. So any trace that?	00:59:18
	Are removed.	00:59:21
	If that canal is abandoned if the waterway protection doesn't apply.	00:59:22
	If trees are removed.	00:59:26
	Then they'd have to be replaced with a mature canopy of equivalent size.	00:59:28
	Either on the property or up to 50% could be located off the property.	00:59:34
	Parking wise another option if there's not.	00:59:39
	Enough parking or a way to locate parking on site They.	00:59:44
	There's a potential to explore shared parking.	00:59:48
	Potentially with the neighboring business next door for any overflow parking if they do a shared parking agreement and that's in	00:59:52
	our.	00:59:55
	Parking standards code.	00:59:59
	So that is an option for the applicant that could just be that's.	01:00:01
	Kind of included in the general standards or conditions with just meeting the parking requirements so there's.	01:00:06
	Various ways the applicant can achieve that.	01:00:13
	And if they're going to expand the parking lot, there's already a code requiring 3 islands and those sort of things if they're	01:00:15
	going to expand the existing parking lot, right?	01:00:19
	OK. So Kerry, just to clarify for me.	01:00:25
	Didn't understand but.	01:00:27
	Is the existing parking enough for the use but the applicant wants more parking? Or in order to do this use, more parking is	01:00:29
	required?	01:00:32
	Do you have one parking spot on site or two?	01:00:36
	There's 7 stalls, 7 stalls currently.	01:00:39
	The parking is based off of the.	01:00:42
	Square footage.	01:00:46
	I believe that 7 would be.	01:00:47
	Adequate. I haven't done a full parking assessment on it.	01:00:49
	Do you know how many square feet?	01:00:54
	25125 hundred.	01:00:58
	That sounds like 7 would be.	01:01:01
	Pretty close to what they would need.	01:01:03
	So it's so the expansion of the parking would be to accommodate.	01:01:05
	What they're anticipating, but not.	01:01:09
	We wouldn't need more.	01:01:12
	If we want to approve this because it's already right, I don't. I don't know if it needs to be that detailed.	01:01:14
	Just having the condition of meeting parking standards will take care of them.	01:01:20
	OK.	01:01:24
	Right. And a couple other questions on the.	01:01:26
	I'm going to say it wrong again. The freesia. The free.	01:01:31
	Frise, that's it. I call it exterior crown molding. Are you guys going to hold on to that?	01:01:34
	Tell us how to pronounce it too when you come up.	01:01:43
	It might be easier for me to come up to the podium. My name is Corey Solomon. Thank architecture.	01:01:46
	Here I am the architect assisting John and Victoria on the project.	01:01:52
	The overall goal is yes to maintain and repair.	01:01:58
	The freeze board that is at the soffit.	01:02:02
	At the top area, we are going to have to modify a little bit of the window trim as we make those replacements.	01:02:05
	To a new thermally broken.	01:02:12
	Windows system with the grids in it.	01:02:16
	But overall, our goal is again to maintain as much of the existing.	01:02:18
	Element that we possibly can.	01:02:23
	With the understanding that there might be parts of it that are just.	01:02:25
	So far gone that we're going to have to.	01:02:29
	Refabricate and rebuild.	01:02:32
	To make that work, but that's our overall goal, is not to remove any historical elements like that, but only to enhance them.	01:02:36
	So whatever you can't keep, you're intending to.	01:02:42
	Remake and replace.	01:02:45
	Yes we can. We can just have it remade.	01:02:47
	OK.	01:02:49
	That's just on our little checklist of items, so thank you for covering that.	01:02:51
	And and then also maybe I could why I'm standing here as well as to talk to you a little bit what the fence is going on and why	01:02:56
	we.	01:02:59
	The element.	01:03:04
	That's on your screens right there is a Roper Ogul is again to take the existing historical fence and reuse that on the two sides	01:03:05
	of the pillars. The reason why we broke that is when we wanted to create a strong.	01:03:11
	Entry marquee and element with some lanterns on top of those Piers.	01:03:18
	But also some of the fancies in really poor shape.	01:03:23
	It's rusted all the way through and so we're.	01:03:27
	Trying to account for those what we thought was the linear length of those sections that might not be able to be reusable.	01:03:30
	And to them rebuild those new entry gates that.	01:03:35
	We found it especially towards the.	01:03:38
	The north side.	01:03:42
	Of it is at the base of it's pretty rotten, so.	01:03:44
	We're going to have to really try to save some of that and work with it, but our goal is we love the fence.	01:03:47
	His wife loves the fence and we want to keep it.	01:03:52
	Just enhance it.	01:03:54
	And then while you're up here, maybe you can just answer this one.	01:03:56
	The scale of the columns that are going to be supporting that French porch.	01:03:59
	Any idea about how big those are right now? I could talk to you about the scale. They're probably about 14 by 14, very historical.	01:04:03
	And the nature and scale of those.	01:04:10
	We could probably put a conditional work with staff on those, but there will work with the proportions so they're not your little	01:04:14
	spindly.	01:04:17
	6 by 6 that might. Our intent is their built up column.	01:04:21
	Box column with several pieces of trim and finished out.	01:04:25
	As well. And that was our.	01:04:30
	Our overall goal again too, is also.	01:04:32
	Create that long entry porch that was a little bit more historical. The original home didn't have a porch, there was one added to	01:04:34
	it later.	01:04:38
	And we actually, in looking at, we felt like this.	01:04:42
	Actually complemented the home a little bit more, but it also helped us protect that.	01:04:46
	The ramps that we are planning to add for the wheelchair accessible to accessibility to the front door.	01:04:50
	I've got a question about the columns in the depiction that we're seeing on the screen. These look like round.	01:04:58
	I'm thinking Grecian columns which is not the same as a.	01:05:06
	Box column.	01:05:10
	Oh, you know what? Actually, that was Vic.	01:05:11
	We she requested that we change them to a.	01:05:14
	Historically round column, which is also again an Eastern architecture.	01:05:17
	Element.	01:05:22
	Is it? Is it congruous with the this time period?	01:05:23
	OK, very much so.	01:05:26
	OK, OK.	01:05:29
	I think it looks nice, it's just.	01:05:30
	Is it the time? Well, quick hammer all the questions. Those are just the ones that I had literally printed and given to me. So.	01:05:33
	Yeah. Thank you for actually picking up on that. That was a last minute revision that was made a week or so ago.	01:05:38
	Stained glass. I know there's stained glass currently in the.	01:05:44
	Home and then it's not shown in the depictions. Will the stained glass stay? Yes, the the stained glass we want to keep on the	01:05:48
	House now.	01:05:53
	What we still have to work through is that those stained glass modules are going to be a little different than the new glass.	01:05:58
	So our overall goal is to.	01:06:03
	Hopefully get the window manufacturer work with us where we can reinsert that stained glass. If not, we'll.	01:06:06
	Want to reuse it on the interior of the project.	01:06:12
	Right.	01:06:27
	Well, they're pretty.	01:06:29
	Really pretty.	01:06:30
	Thank you.	01:06:31
	Other questions for the applicant.	01:06:33
	I just have a comment.	01:06:35
	While I appreciate the fact that every retailer wants maximum visibility for their storefront.	01:06:38
	Given that we are Tree City, USA, I don't think it's unreasonable.	01:06:45
	For us to include.	01:06:50
	As a condition of approval.	01:06:52
	A couple of columnar trees in the front of the pole.	01:06:54
	Property I appreciate.	01:06:57
	The aesthetic of a.	01:07:00
	Of a European garden look and I think it's really pretty, but I don't think it would be.	01:07:03
	Upset by a couple of columnar trees.	01:07:08
	You know, when you talk about a calmer tree, those are very different. Are you talking about a content?	01:07:11
	Conifer or deciduous tree?	01:07:16
	You could go.	01:07:19
	Either or really. With that you could do it. Or fruit tree or something vertical.	01:07:20
	I mean, you could do because of the power line conflict. You're not Bauer.	01:07:25
	Burying the power lines. Otherwise I'd say put in, you know, some cottonwoods and really go for the historical look. But I think	01:07:28
	you could go in there and put in a couple columnar beach, for example.	01:07:33
	They're, you know, not a whole lot wider than the columns you're talking about putting in there. And again, that green space helps	01:07:39
	soften the noise island and heat island that we have.	01:07:43
	Along the Highland corridor.	01:07:48
	Yeah. And I don't think we could that's we're not going to be opposed to something like that as long as we're complying with it.	01:07:50
	We also have a ton of trees on this site.	01:07:54
	All the way around the North.	01:08:00
	Side, the South side and the east side so.	01:08:01
	Keep something that's really clean. But we could definitely investigate some calamari trees without hopefully disrupting it too	01:08:06
	much. And that might actually be a nice little moment we could, you know, light them.	01:08:11
	As well And it could be a nice Christmas element as well. And the motion we can call out medium columnar trees and then that gives	01:08:16
	you some latitude to work with and.	01:08:20
	Yeah. Are you tied to calm or would you also be open to like a?	01:08:25
	Flowering, small scale like decorative.	01:08:31
	Type tree.	01:08:33
	Accent type tree.	01:08:35
	Sure, that's right. So there's like a dog would or something alive.	01:08:37
	So rather than call them or just call out small to medium tree.	01:08:43
	Yeah, OK.	01:08:47
	We can do that in the motion, almost, almost artistic.	01:08:49
	Looking for, you know.	01:08:54
	Perfect.	01:08:56
	It suggests all right. Any other questions for the applicant?	01:08:57
	All right, we'll go ahead and have you guys sit down.	01:09:01
	And then this is a public hearing, so we'll go ahead and open up the public hearing on this. If there's anyone members from the	01:09:03
	public that want to speak on this tonight, I don't see anyone other than the applicant present.	01:09:09
	Unless we have the other applicants who are interested in.	01:09:14
	So with that, we'll go 123 and close the public hearing. And then Commissioners, any discussion points?	01:09:17
	That we want to touch on before a motion made on this one.	01:09:24
	I just think that the use is really reasonable in terms of intensity.	01:09:28
	And the the suggested modifications to the.	01:09:33
	Structure I think are.	01:09:36
	You know, in line with the.	01:09:38
	The historic look.	01:09:39
	And and feel of the property and I think I appreciate that the applicant is really being thoughtful about, not just.	01:09:40
	Replicating a look but preserving some of the actual elements? That's nice. Absolutely.	01:09:47
	And I'm glad it was designated historical.	01:09:52
	It's cool.	01:09:55
	We need more of that.	01:09:56
	So. But I do agree with you, Commissioner Font on the.	01:09:57
	You know, putting in a couple smaller trees.	01:10:02
	Definitely because.	01:10:04
	Again, if they didn't have the power line conflict, I'd be a bully about it, but.	01:10:06
	I don't see anything really.	01:10:11
	Being big.	01:10:13
	Viable with those power lines unless you just want to see what half a tree looks like growing up against a house.	01:10:14
	I agree. So with that I.	01:10:21
	I'm happy to entertain anyone that wants to make a motion.	01:10:25
	Or I'll make the motion.	01:10:30
	All right, I'll go for it.	01:10:33
	See if I can get this right.	01:10:34
	Because I got pages of stuff here, OK.	01:10:36
	So, umm.	01:10:39
	I motion the Holiday Planning Commission moved to approve.	01:10:40
	The application for a conditional use permit for a historic site modification.	01:10:43
	And for use as a jewelry shop for the David McDonald House.	01:10:48
	Designated as a historic site by Section 13.86, Point 02 of the City.	01:10:52
	Of holiday.	01:10:59
	Code located at 4659 S Highland Drive.	01:11:00
	Based upon the findings that the application.	01:11:04
	Meets the suggested findings within the packet.	01:11:08
	And additionally that.	01:11:11
	They retain and reuse the fence, as they've outlined in their presentation today.	01:11:14
	And that they also.	01:11:20
	Put in two.	01:11:21
	Small to medium trees that will work with the landscaping in front of the home.	01:11:23
	We probably ought to strike #4 and just have them comply with the ordinance.	01:11:30
	What's that?	01:11:35
	#4 on the.	01:11:36
	Conditions of approval.	01:11:37
	With the canal, strike that and just require him to.	01:11:40
	What do you call it? The water maintenance water.	01:11:43
	Preservation.	01:11:46
	OK. And then?	01:11:48
	OK, so opponent Commissioner Ken Hams amend that motion to also have the.	01:11:50
	Umm City compliant to the canal on the east side of the property.	01:11:58
	And or any additional parking be compliant with.	01:12:03
	City code standards.	01:12:07
	Commissioner Font second.	01:12:10
	All right, you have a second. We'll come down here.	01:12:12
	Commissioner Baron.	01:12:14
	Aye, Mr. Gong, I, Commissioner Prince, Aye, Commissioner full.	01:12:15
	Aye, Mr. Cunningham. Aye. And Chair Roche votes aye.	01:12:18
	So we look forward to see that progress. Thank you very much.	01:12:22
	All right.	01:12:26
	Can we request?	01:12:28
	We will now 3 minute for a quick three minute recess and be right back.	01:12:30