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All right. I want to thank everybody for coming out to Holiday City Council this evening. We're going to start with the Pledge of 00:00:00
Allegiance. 00:00:03
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:12
Of the United States of America. 00:00:14
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:16
One nation under God. 00:00:20
Indivisible. 00:00:22
With liberty and justice for. 00:00:23
As this is the anniversary of 911, we thought that it was appropriate to take just a moment of silence to remember. 00:00:31
Those that lost their lives. 00:00:40
In that event, the courage of the first responders and the families that have. 00:00:42
Continued on. 00:00:45
Since that time. 00:00:46
So we'd like to just have a moment of silence now. 00:00:48
Thank you. 00:00:50
Thank you. 00:01:06
For that. 00:01:08
Also I. 00:01:11
In light of. 00:01:13
Yesterday's. 00:01:15
Horrific murder at Utah Valley University. 00:01:16
I'd like to just make a statement. 00:01:20
That murder forces us to soberly confront the deep and growing political divide. 00:01:24
In our country. 00:01:29
Sincerely held political. 00:01:31
Beliefs exist across the political spectrum. 00:01:32
But when disagreement. 00:01:36
Causes us to strip away the humanity. 00:01:37
Of others. 00:01:40
And we start to believe that our ideas are more important. 00:01:41
Than another person's life. We are swimming in toxic waters. 00:01:44
And each of us plays a part in changing that. 00:01:48
Each of us. 00:01:51
Can do better at changing the way that we approach those with whom we disagree. 00:01:52
We choose how we speak to. 00:01:56
And about others. 00:01:59
Good and caring people who love their family. 00:02:00
And community and the world can have fundamentally different ideas. 00:02:04
About our society. 00:02:07
Than you and I do. 00:02:09
That is not a weakness of our system. 00:02:10
It is the blessing of living. 00:02:13
In a society that protects freedom of speech. 00:02:14
Religion. 00:02:17
And conscience. 00:02:18
I would like to invite all of us tonight to improve. 00:02:20
Together, we can stand for a political culture in which violence plays no part. 00:02:22
Thank you very much. 00:02:27
Now I'd like to open the meeting. 00:02:29
For public comment, any person wishing to address the council. 00:02:31
On any items that are not on the agenda otherwise. 00:02:35
We do so. 00:02:39
You can limit your comments to. 00:02:41
3 minutes. 00:02:43
Trudy can probably start us off and show everybody how it's done. 00:02:44
Trudy from the library. 00:02:52
1st, I just want to thank the community for the fantastic turn out at the Star Party. I don't know if any of you were there but. 00:02:54
We nearly doubled the attendance from last year. It was. 00:03:00
Hopping it was great. 00:03:04
Um, this Saturday we're going to be hosting our first fall series, the Tree Talk, with the Holiday Tree Committee. 00:03:07
On Monday the 16th, one of our very popular programs that has been on hiatus called Crafter Space will be back on at 6:30 PM. 00:03:13
But the big party for September is going to be on September 20th from 3:00 PM to 5:00 PM. 00:03:22
You probably didn't know it was Western month, but it is. 00:03:27
And so we will be having a Western party. You can come watch the Dazzle Dogs perform. I don't know what that means, but it sounds 00:03:30
great. 00:03:33
And then you could paint a bandana for your pet or yourself. 00:03:38
And there are some cool photo OPS being planned. 00:03:42
The beginning of October the 6th through the 11th is Freedom to Read Week. 00:03:45
Which we love at the library, so there'll be fun little bits all week long. But we're going to kick it off with a read in at the 00:03:50
library from noon to 8:00 PM so you can bring a book and a blanket and get cozy. 00:03:55
And it's kind of a come and go as you please sort of event, so. 00:04:00
Come and do that and we have some light refreshments going on. We'll have a blood drive on the 8th. 00:04:04
Will be closed on October 13th. 00:04:09
For a staff development day. 00:04:12
And then Tuesday and Wednesday, October 14th and 15th, we're partnering with Adult and Aging Services. 00:04:14
To offer a class on dealing with dementia. It's two classes that are two hours each from 1:00 to 3:00. 00:04:21
And. 00:04:27
Pre registration is required, but it's a It's a really fantastic class for those who are. 00:04:28
Are helping their. 00:04:33
Their loved ones with dementia. 00:04:34
And then we'll have an artist reception later in the evening on the 15th from 7:00 to 8:30. 00:04:36
You can come enjoy some refreshments and meet photographer Preston Norris, whose art will be being displayed at the time. 00:04:41
And that's what's going on at the library. 00:04:47
Any question? 00:04:49
Comments. Hey, Greg, Thank you. Thank you. 00:04:52
Anybody else for public comment? 00:04:56
Ron Hilton, 2394 E Murray Holiday Rd. 00:05:06
I actually am here by mistake. 00:05:10
I thought this was going to be. 00:05:13
The Dinwiddie house. 00:05:15
That's next week, apparently. 00:05:16
And so I was here for that. 00:05:18
But as long as I'm here. 00:05:20
I noticed one of the items is vacating part of the right away. 00:05:22
On Arbor Lane, I'm pretty sure I know what that part is. It's kind of on the corner. 00:05:26
Makes sense? 00:05:30
But. 00:05:32
Apparently. 00:05:34
So a few months ago. 00:05:35
Actually earlier on towards the beginning of this year. 00:05:37
We had proposed some. 00:05:41
Changes to Murray Holiday Rd. 00:05:42
And I recently learned that. 00:05:44
Apparently the Council was under the impression that we were seeking to vacate. 00:05:47
Part of the right away and I just wanted to. 00:05:52
Clarify that was never the case. It was repurposing. 00:05:54
Part of the right way. 00:05:57
You know, for parking in the sidewalk, but not. 00:05:59
Reducing if anything. 00:06:01
You know, we still. 00:06:03
Or offer of the. 00:06:06
Property there. 00:06:09
Our property as a private. 00:06:10
It's private property. 00:06:12
As a public park is still on the table. 00:06:13
And so if anything, we want to give more land to the city, not take away. 00:06:17
From the city. 00:06:21
Anyway, I'm not going to stay for the rest of the meeting, but. 00:06:21
Since I'm here, I thought I would comment on that. 00:06:24
Thank you. 00:06:26
Thank you. Thank you very much. 00:06:28
Anybody else for public comment? 00:06:34
All right, seeing as there is none, we'll close public comment moving to Item 4 on the agenda consideration of four Ordinance 00:06:39
2025. 00:06:43
16 Vacating a certain portion of the right of way on Arbor Lane. 00:06:47
We've discussed this in previous meetings. I don't know if anybody on the council has any. 00:06:52
Questions or? 00:06:56
Concerns. 00:06:58
All right, we'll take a motion. 00:07:00
Let's see, go have it up here. 00:07:03
Yes, Mayor Pro Tem. 00:07:07
I would move that we approve. 00:07:09
Ordinance 202516 vacating a certain portion of right away on Harbor Lane. 00:07:12
2nd. 00:07:18
All right, I have a motion in a second. 00:07:19
Councilmember Brewer. 00:07:21
Councilmember Durham. 00:07:23
Yes, Councilmember Fotteringham. Yes. 00:07:24
Councilmember. 00:07:26
Yes and chair votes yes. 00:07:27
OK. 00:07:29
All right. I'm 5 on the agenda consideration of Resolution 2025-23 providing for our creation of a. 00:07:31
Local building authority. 00:07:38
By the City Council. 00:07:40
The City of Holiday and related matters. 00:07:41
This has to do. 00:07:44
With a bond that we need to. 00:07:47
Go out for. 00:07:49
In order to. 00:07:50
Pay to seismically upgrade this building and then also to. 00:07:53
Build a park. 00:07:59
On. 00:07:59
Elementary property? Any other any questions about? 00:08:01
This. 00:08:05
In the Council we need to have to do any review. 00:08:06
About his purpose. 00:08:10
We have Bond Council and our financial advisor both present if you have more specific questions or just want an overview. 00:08:12
Oh, I thought it was distance. We have a crowd here. 00:08:20
A brief overview so we're not glossing over. 00:08:24
Most of the times we don't have the size of a crowd and. 00:08:27
I don't want to have anyone. 00:08:30
Think we're going to? 00:08:31
Gloss over but. 00:08:32
Anyway, my understanding. 00:08:33
Is primarily the building authority allows us to retain. 00:08:35
A measure of flexibility. 00:08:39
With regard to how we issue the bond. 00:08:41
Particularly with regard to, not to. 00:08:44
Retain flexibility. 00:08:46
For expansion of scope, but rather retention of flexibility in case there's. 00:08:48
Revenues don't come in as projected and we can shift around a little bit as needed as. 00:08:53
Is that a? 00:08:57
So under Utah law, there are several ways that cities can choose to finance their projects. So one of the things that. 00:08:58
My role as your producer is to watch out what's what's best for the city. 00:09:06
But not just what's best for today, but what's best for the. 00:09:10
You know, longer view. 00:09:13
And so the. 00:09:15
The two likely candidates of ways that this could be financed is with a pledge of sales tax bonds, with a pledge of your sales and 00:09:17
or franch. 00:09:21
Revenues. 00:09:26
Or actually using a local building authority. 00:09:28
Which is a legal structure that I'll have Garrett explain. I can do like the Peter Thai, just, you know. 00:09:31
High school version. You can give you a more detailed version and probably cite state code. 00:09:37
But the structure of a local building authority works very similar to a home mortgage. So the building itself, the park itself, 00:09:43
will act as a security to the bondholders. You won't be pledging sales tax, you won't be pledging property tax. 00:09:51
Now the interest rates a little bit higher. So you say Laura, why? Why did you recommend that? Well, the, the after, you know, 00:09:59
discussion with the council. 00:10:03
It was determined because of other projects you have coming down the road you have needs for some large Rd. reconstruction. 00:10:07
And you know, if you put on like, you're the bond. 00:10:14
Purchaser hat for a moment. 00:10:17
If you're going to have security in a physical. 00:10:19
Facility Would you rather have a City Hall? 00:10:22
Or a Rd. 00:10:25
Oh, you probably want City Hall, right? 00:10:27
So it makes logical sense to do City Hall because it's essential purpose the bond markets like that. 00:10:29
That retains your capacity to pledge sales tax and franchise tax revenues to those other bonds like like a Rd. 00:10:35
So that was the the rationale what you're creating a local building authority is an actual nonprofit. 00:10:43
The city will have the right every year to determine whether it's going to make the lease payment or not make the lease payment. 00:10:50
Not dissimilar to a home mortgage. If you make your house payment, what happens at the end of all those payments? Yeah, it's your 00:10:57
house. If you don't make the house payment, it becomes the bank's house. So it's similar structure. 00:11:03
High level for your for you and your constituents to. 00:11:11
Grasp pretty easily. 00:11:14
Now you can talk about the. 00:11:15
Local building. 00:11:17
Yeah. So expanding on what Laura said, yeah, the local building authority is an entity that's created. 00:11:19
And and required by state law. 00:11:25
Under what we call the the Local Government Bonding Act, as well as. 00:11:28
The Local Building Authority Act. 00:11:32
That is an entity that's basically created as an alter ego of the city. 00:11:35
To conduct these, it's a not-for-profit to conduct these types of activities, these types of financing and construction of. 00:11:40
Project type activities and so. 00:11:48
Unfortunately, the state law required every state is different in how it allows for this mechanism, but most states do allow it. 00:11:51
And in Utah? 00:11:58
The case law as well as now the state statutes require it to be done through what we call this local ability authority or this 00:12:00
this entity, it's, it's essentially a not-for-profit. The the board of trustees of this entity is, is basically the governing 00:12:06
board of the city. 00:12:12
And and it really. 00:12:19
Can't do much of anything without the approval of the of the city, the City Council as well so. 00:12:21
It's just. 00:12:28
How the state statutes require? 00:12:29
When you allow for this type of flexibility where you're not pledging a specific. 00:12:32
Set of Rev or sort of set of revenues or sales tax or something that's very narrowly tailored. 00:12:37
That's how the statutes or you don't have an election, a bonding election, which can. 00:12:44
Be very, very challenging. 00:12:49
And time consuming and expensive. 00:12:52
That's what the statutes require. 00:12:55
So I don't know if that helps but. 00:12:57
I appreciate that, yeah. 00:13:00
So one other thing that might. 00:13:02
Might be helpful to know is the building authority actually is where the? 00:13:04
The assets, if you will, stay. 00:13:09
And then they are leased to the city. The city makes payments to the building authority. 00:13:12
Building authority makes payment to the bondholders. 00:13:17
So the interest rate. 00:13:22
Elevation is is because we're not. 00:13:23
Pledging specific revenues. 00:13:26
But we do pledge. 00:13:27
Collateral, uh. 00:13:29
The hard assets, yes, and because you have the right every year. 00:13:30
Technically you have the right. I hope you don't. 00:13:34
But you exercise that right, but you have the right every year to not make the least payment. Yeah. So it's subject to what they 00:13:36
call subject annual appropriation. So there's a little bit more risk to that type of bond. Not often have local governments not 00:13:41
made lease payments, but it has happened. 00:13:46
Not in Utah. 00:13:51
Right, but our primary objective here was to. 00:13:52
To create some flexibility with regard to. 00:13:55
Dealing with future. 00:13:58
Capital projects that are not as easily. 00:13:59
Bondable in a similar fashion. 00:14:03
Absolutely. 00:14:04
Gotcha, good. 00:14:05
Any questions? 00:14:08
Thank you. 00:14:10
Madam Chair. 00:14:11
I'll just make one point really clearly there is some discussion about the collateral that could be pledged to secure bonds. 00:14:13
And there was a note that we would secure that with City Hall. 00:14:19
And they also mentioned the park. 00:14:22
We will not be securing with the property. 00:14:24
Of the park. 00:14:27
But with the city's leasehold interest. 00:14:28
Just want to make that clear for that I had a question about this. So what is the collateral for that? 00:14:31
It's all one bond. 00:14:36
And you're using City Hall as the primary asset, with the leasehold interest the city holds in the park, but not the ground 00:14:38
itself. 00:14:40
OK. But Todd, it is? 00:14:44
All the ground here though, is. 00:14:46
Is that correct? Right. 00:14:47
Yes. 00:14:49
Any other? 00:14:52
And one clarification on that too is that. 00:14:58
It's it's a the pledge of the collateral is a leasehold pledge. So if the in in the event that the. 00:15:02
Authority were to not appropriate on those payments. It's not as if there would be a fork. 00:15:08
It's like a foreclosure, but it wouldn't be a traditional foreclosure where the assets are essentially sold off. 00:15:13
You know to creditors, but essentially it would just be a foreclosure where. 00:15:19
The trustee comes in and. 00:15:25
Basically subleases the property. 00:15:27
For the remainder of the lease term. 00:15:30
And and tries to recoup what it can in terms of lease payments. 00:15:32
Through the end of that lease term. 00:15:38
So just so you're clear, it's. 00:15:40
For the record, for the bondholders, we intend to make our payments. 00:15:42
We're talking about, right? 00:15:47
Head of append scenario, but just just pointing out that legal technical difference that that it did it is slightly different. 00:15:48
On that front. 00:15:55
If we're ready. 00:15:59
Motion. Madam Mayor Pro Tem, I move approval of Resolution 2025-23 providing for the creation of a local building authority. 00:16:00
By the City Council and the City of Holiday and related matters. 00:16:06
2nd. 00:16:10
I have a motion in a second Council member, Brewer. 00:16:11
Yes, Councilmember Durham. Yes, Councilmember Fotheringham. Yes. 00:16:13
Councilmember Quinn. 00:16:17
Yes and chair votes yes. 00:16:18
All right, City Manager report. 00:16:20
Nothing for me this evening. 00:16:24
Thank you. 00:16:26
All right, Council reports and district issues. 00:16:27
Drew, how about we start with you? 00:16:31
OK, so it has been a busy week. A week ago I was able to go and help celebrate. 00:16:32
60 years. 00:16:41
Of Churchill Junior High, it was 60 years ago. 00:16:43
This year, that Churchill started. 00:16:46
Educating students and has done a wonderful job. It was a it was a very nice evening. 00:16:49
And yesterday we had really a. 00:16:54
Historic event here on holiday. 00:17:01
You are probably familiar with the Holiday Bank and Trust on Murray Holiday Rd. 00:17:05
It was. 00:17:10
Purchased. 00:17:11
By Redemption Holdings. 00:17:12
Out of Atlanta and will now be known as Redemption Bank. 00:17:14
This will be the first black-owned bank in the Mountain West. 00:17:18
And it was quite a. 00:17:23
Quite a celebration. Doctor Bernice King, the youngest daughter of Martin Luther King, was there and spoke and helped cut the 00:17:25
ribbon. 00:17:29
It was, it made me feel so good because. 00:17:36
The several of the people that spoke who had been in on this process, which has really taken close to four years. 00:17:40
Talked about the. 00:17:47
Support not only of people in all of Utah, but. 00:17:49
But people here at Holiday. 00:17:53
One gentleman talked about. 00:17:55
He was used to. 00:17:57
Going into boardrooms. 00:17:59
And sitting down and talking with potential investors. 00:18:00
Instead. 00:18:04
He said that the Huntsman family. 00:18:05
Invited him to their home and they sat and ate sandwiches at the Huntsman's kitchen table. 00:18:07
While they talked about. 00:18:13
This endeavor. 00:18:15
Huntsman's Garf Sorensen's Eccles. The Miller Family. 00:18:17
And others have all. 00:18:22
Many of whom are holiday. 00:18:24
Residents are all. 00:18:26
Investors in this great work. 00:18:29
Redemption Bank is going to be the only bank that has an on site. 00:18:35
Office. 00:18:41
And so it will be huge for small businesses. 00:18:42
Here in Utah and around the Mountain West. 00:18:45
And they emphasized that this group is dedicated to economic equality. So. 00:18:47
It's really. 00:18:54
Really a great thing for holiday. 00:18:56
Speaking of anniversaries, I also attended an anniversary, but it was 70 years. 00:19:02
But it was my parents wedding anniversary. 00:19:06
They're 89 now. 00:19:10
But regarding to, we had a couple of issues. Wanted to thank Chief Hoyle and our UPD team. 00:19:13
We had. 00:19:19
At a typical beginning of the school year traffic issue down near the Waldorf school. 00:19:20
Where there was some. 00:19:26
Issues of using. 00:19:28
Adjacent private property for. 00:19:30
Parking and drop off but. 00:19:32
The chief and his team were able to monitor that situation and and. 00:19:34
Make everybody. 00:19:38
Happy SO. 00:19:40
Which is always a good thing. Related to that. Well, not related to that, but it's separate incident had hidden that it was. 00:19:41
Apartments. 00:19:46
We had a gun related incident which caused some. 00:19:47
Concern and worry of a particular. 00:19:53
Renter. 00:19:57
That. 00:19:59
Well, I'm going into the details, but it caused some consternation from a young mother. 00:20:02
And but the chief was able to. 00:20:06
Layout the history of the event and and calm that. 00:20:09
A renter down and with with the appropriate context of the. 00:20:13
Fluidity of the situation, but it just I want to thank Chief Hoyle for the professionalism and. 00:20:17
And care and compassion with which he was able to deliver that message and. 00:20:24
Calm. 00:20:30
Voter. 00:20:34
Citizen Resident. 00:20:35
In that situation. 00:20:37
Related at Hidden Meadows, I just wanted to keep some genius. Not here, but. 00:20:39
There's still the issue of the catwalk in Hidden Meadows and I wanted to continue to pursue. 00:20:44
Options there. 00:20:49
I understand. 00:20:50
Todd, that there's some issue of? 00:20:51
Who owns that catwalk going out the back? 00:20:53
And so as a result. 00:20:56
There may be some. 00:20:58
Headache and heartache. 00:21:01
In order to get to a resolution there. 00:21:02
But I wanted to continue mentioning. 00:21:04
Keep it on the radar until we. 00:21:06
Can kind of. 00:21:07
Find a resolution there, one way or another. 00:21:08
Also thanks, Jared for Lakewood Dr. That's a. 00:21:11
Road in my neighborhood so. 00:21:15
I might. 00:21:16
Not be yelled at. 00:21:18
Neighbors are happy. 00:21:21
In the Lakewood area. 00:21:22
That's all I have. 00:21:24
Thank you. 00:21:25
Just a couple. 00:21:28
From the tree committee. 00:21:29
On September 20th. 00:21:33
The Tree Committee will be planning an anniversary tree in honor of Holidays 25th anniversary. 00:21:35
And. 00:21:41
So there will be information going on about that, but. 00:21:42
Thanks to John for helping us locate find a location and. 00:21:45
Workout. 00:21:48
The logistics on that. 00:21:49
And then on October 11th. 00:21:51
We'll be planning another tree. 00:21:53
This time to honor Travis. 00:21:55
Jones, who was a long time. 00:21:57
Holiday resident and. 00:21:59
Member of the Tree Committee and. 00:22:01
Chair of the Tree committee. 00:22:03
He's moved to Oregon but will be back to visit and to see. 00:22:04
The planting of this tree and that will be another fun event. I think that. 00:22:09
It's going to be a little bit. 00:22:11
Of a smaller event, but anybody who's interested in attending that to see. 00:22:13
Travis and honor him is certainly welcome. 00:22:17
That's all. 00:22:20
Thank you. 00:22:21
OK. 00:22:22
As far as the Historical Commission is concerned, this. 00:22:24
Speaker Series. 00:22:27
Continues. And on the 22nd it's the Monday night. 00:22:28
I think it's the fourth Monday here in September at 7:00 PM here at the City Hall. 00:22:32
Paul Reeve will be speaking at his. 00:22:39
Talk is entitled this abominable slavery in it. 00:22:41
He'll be talking about. 00:22:44
The origins of slavery in Utah? Kind of. 00:22:45
Pre civil war kind of a thing and. 00:22:47
I was just going to read this one piece that says traces. Let's see including holidays on Howell family. 00:22:51
Descendants of enslaved people who built lives of faith here despite. 00:22:57
Exclusion So. 00:23:00
I guess on the tail. 00:23:02
Of you know what Paul was discussing. This is an interesting topic, but. 00:23:03
Nice to see where we are today. 00:23:08
Versus then right. 00:23:10
Thank you. 00:23:11
I I don't have anything to report. 00:23:13
This week, yeah. 00:23:15
So I think. 00:23:18
We can take a motion and recess. 00:23:20
Council until work meeting. 00:23:22
Mayor Pro Tem I move adjourn City Council meeting and reconvene in a work meeting I understand we're. 00:23:23
Staying here? Yeah, we're staying here. 00:23:29
2nd. 00:23:31
Our motion is second. All in favor, aye. 00:23:32
All right, we are now in a work meeting. 00:23:35
So this evening we have. 00:23:40
All of the water service. 00:23:44
Entities that service different areas of holiday would kind of have a conglomerate. 00:23:46
Entities that serve us, that come to talk about. 00:23:55
What they're doing in our city, I don't know, Gina, the order that you had. 00:23:59
Set up for them, but. 00:24:03
I'd like to. I hope we could start with a map that kind of explains those boundary areas. 00:24:05
And then I think we'll have Jordan Valley Water Conservancy. 00:24:11
OK. 00:24:16
I think we have your slides. 00:24:19
I think we'll display the map 1st. 00:24:22
Let you look at it and then move to. 00:24:25
That presentation. 00:24:28
All right, so. 00:25:13
I'm sure you'll hear about the number of residents I believe it is. 00:25:25
Is less than 1000. 00:25:30
The peak area. 00:25:36
Of our city is served. 00:25:37
Buy holiday water and warfare concern Shepherd. 00:25:40
In a bit and then. 00:25:44
White Area is Salt Lake City Public Utilities and we'll be hearing from them as well. 00:25:46
So with that I will turn the time over to. 00:25:52
Terry yes. 00:25:58
All right. Thank you for the opportunity to talk to you a little bit today. 00:26:01
Jordan Valley? Yep. 00:26:05
It's like Stephanie over here. 00:26:50
All right. My name is Giselle Terry. I'm the assistant General Manager with Jordan Valley Water. 00:27:00
Currently. 00:27:06
Overseeing operations and maintenance for the most part. 00:27:08
And then, like I said, I'm happy. 00:27:12
Let's talk to you a little bit today. 00:27:14
Dern Valley. 00:27:16
Is primarily a wholesale water agency. We have 17 member agencies that we wholesale to. It's about 90% of our deliveries. 00:27:17
And then we have. 00:27:24
About 8000 retail connections and obviously some of those are here in holiday and that's about 10% of our deliveries. 00:27:26
For the the number of connections on holiday we have. 00:27:34
Just about 300. 00:27:38
Give or take a little bit, that's connections. So you're correct. Populations probably just, you know, around 1000 or just below 00:27:40
that. 00:27:43
As far as our kind of our infrastructure, we have 3 water treatment plants. 00:27:48
We have our largest water treatment plant, which is the largest water treatment plant in the state. 00:27:52
That's in Harriman. It's. 00:27:56
Can treat 180 million gallons a day. 00:27:58
We are in the process of expanding that plant and I'll talk a little bit more about that when I talk about some of our. 00:28:00
Capital improvements. 00:28:05
We also have. 00:28:07
Achiever Plant, Sandy and a tree of plant that's at our headquarters site in West Jordan. 00:28:08
In addition to that, we also have about 40 groundwater water wells and then we also purchase some water from. 00:28:12
Other entities. 00:28:18
That bring water in. 00:28:20
Our sources are primarily the Central Utah project, which is comes from the Provo River system, so. 00:28:21
Jordanelle Reservoir, Deer Creek Reservoir. 00:28:26
And then also the Provo River project, that's where we get most of our our surface water from. In addition, we do get a little bit 00:28:29
from. 00:28:32
The mountain streams that are South of Little Cottonwood Creek. 00:28:35
So there are some sources there. 00:28:38
So that's just a little bit about Jordan. 00:28:42
This next slide. 00:28:44
Kind of shows a little bit more on the map that you looked at in terms of just holiday and the portion that we serve. 00:28:46
So as you can see, that darker portion is the retail portion. 00:28:57
Originally, when the district was set up in 1951, we were. 00:29:01
Our mission was to serve unincorporated counter county areas in in Salt Lake County and. 00:29:05
So that was our mission. So we do have some pockets of retail. For the most part, those have been annexed into various cities, but 00:29:11
we do still have. 00:29:15
Several, you know, like I said about 8000 connections that are just these little pockets here and there. 00:29:19
And over the course of of. 00:29:24
Time we have. 00:29:26
You know, some of those have been. 00:29:27
Annexed into other. 00:29:29
Other, you know, jurisdictions and things like that, but there are still some that are remaining. 00:29:31
So how we ended up with this? 00:29:35
This portion of retail is. 00:29:39
Primarily because of Castum and Dry Creek Springs in the 1960s. 00:29:42
The district was young and we really had no water supply. We were purchasing most of our water supply from Metropolitan Water 00:29:46
District in Salt Lake and Sandy. 00:29:49
And they had water coming from Deer Creek Reservoir, but we were looking to shore up our own water sources. And so we were looking 00:29:53
at purchasing all of the shares and buying out basically the Casto Springs Irrigation Company on the Deer Creek Irrigation 00:29:59
Company. And part of that deal was that we would then provide the infrastructure and provide water to those, you know, those 00:30:04
people that were. 00:30:10
Part of the irrigation company and so. 00:30:16
That's how we ended up serving this area of. 00:30:18
Of holiday we. 00:30:21
Use those springs. For several years we chlorinated them and put them into the system. 00:30:24
And we were. 00:30:29
Merrily going along our way. And then there were some changes in drinking water regulations. 00:30:30
And the water was determined to be under the influence of surface water, so it required additional treatment, which we didn't have 00:30:35
the facilities to do at the time. 00:30:39
And so we actually stopped using those sources and. 00:30:44
Began buying water from Metropolitan Water District and that's currently what's serving those areas. 00:30:47
And I'll talk a little bit more about some. 00:30:53
Some upcoming changes to to that. 00:30:55
Next slide. 00:30:58
So part of. 00:31:07
I believe is one of the things that you wanted to know is just to talk a little bit about our water rates. 00:31:09
We do have. 00:31:15
Extremely low water rates, especially for our retail area. 00:31:16
And you can see there that we try and keep a low base charge, which is and then we have our tiers set up by. 00:31:20
In 4 tiers, and those are based upon meter size. I know there's some places that do that by acreage. There's different methods for 00:31:27
doing that, but we've chosen to do that on meter size. 00:31:32
The way that that is. 00:31:37
Designed is that. 00:31:38
For, say, in the summer when someone's using their peak water usage. 00:31:40
They should be able to. 00:31:45
Most people if they're watering. 00:31:46
Moderately efficiently, they should be able to stay inter two or three. 00:31:48
If they are watering what we would consider to be excessive and more than you know. 00:31:53
They need based upon their meter size they will go into that Tier 4. 00:31:57
So our our rate structure is designed to encourage conservation and that's something that we continually look at. We typically do 00:32:01
rate updates. 00:32:05
Every year or every other year just to make sure that we're staying on top of of what those rates should be and we're currently in 00:32:10
the process of. 00:32:14
Of doing a rate study right now. 00:32:18
Next slide, just to talk a little bit about capital improvements. 00:32:21
This is our 10 year capital improvement plan. 00:32:25
You can see that for the next 4 fiscal years, we we have are going into an intense period of capital. 00:32:27
Spending. 00:32:34
There's some notable projects that we are doing and we're looking at bonding for about $230 million over the next four years. 00:32:36
Half of that is to expand our largest water treatment plant from 180 million gallons per day to 2:55. 00:32:43
And that is just in order to keep up with demand and. 00:32:50
Mostly with the growth that's in the southwest portion of Salt Lake County, Herriman Riverton. 00:32:54
South Jordan. West Jordan. 00:32:58
And additional projects that are kind of part of that is we in order to. 00:33:00
Get that additional capacity out of the treatment plant, We're putting in a redundant aqueduct that's leaving the treatment plant 00:33:06
to serve that SW portion. That's our southwest aqueduct. 00:33:10
And then we are continuing to develop our groundwater sources, putting in about 3. 00:33:15
We're drilling 3 new wells. 00:33:20
To put in and then we've also got 2 new reservoirs going in, in a booster station. So those are the. 00:33:22
Things that we're looking at in the next few years. 00:33:26
In terms of how we prioritize our projects and kind of what we decide, basically it's based upon our master planning, which we try 00:33:30
to do a comprehensive master plan at least every 10 years and then update accordingly depending. 00:33:36
Sometimes it's. 00:33:43
Two years. Sometimes it's five years, depending on just kind of what's going on. We are. 00:33:44
Updating one that's just two years old because we have some large developments that are coming in in terms of the point. 00:33:48
And Draper, and then also some. 00:33:54
Kennecott, Lance. 00:33:57
So we're updating that and then just based upon what we need in terms of infrastructure to, you know, continue to make the 00:33:58
deliveries. 00:34:01
That our member agencies are requiring that kind of prioritizes our. 00:34:04
Our capital improvements plan. 00:34:08
Next slide. 00:34:09
Lastly, I just want to kind of finish up with some of our conservation goals and programs. 00:34:11
The district really got serious about conservation in 2000. 00:34:16
And we've really been kind of on the leading edge of that ever since we have. 00:34:20
Looked at conservation as a as essentially a way to develop a new water source. Anything that we can. 00:34:24
Save in terms of water that delays. 00:34:30
Those projects. 00:34:32
You know, until the future. 00:34:34
That plant expansion that I just talked about. 00:34:36
Was originally. 00:34:38
Planned for the year 2000. So we've been able to put off that plant. 00:34:40
Expansion for 25 years just because of the amount of water we've been able to conserve. So we feel like right now we can still 00:34:45
conserve water and the money we put into that is still cheaper than developing new sources. 00:34:50
Next slide. 00:34:57
So our conservation is essentially A3 pronged approach. We look at education incentives and then structural or regulatory changes. 00:34:58
Next slide. 00:35:06
This is our conservation garden park, which is one of the first things that we embarked on again back in 2000. 00:35:08
And. 00:35:14
We knew that if we were expecting. 00:35:15
The residents and our customers, to conserve water, we had to give them some tools to know how to do it. It isn't necessarily 00:35:17
intuitive for everyone to know how they can conserve water. 00:35:22
About 60%. 00:35:26
Of water's outdoor use that's starting to come down. 00:35:29
As we, you know, continue to work on conservation, but. 00:35:32
That's really where. 00:35:36
We've got the biggest opportunity to make changes. 00:35:37
Next slide. 00:35:40
And that's located in West Jordan at our headquarters site and you can visit. We've done several expansions over the years just as 00:35:42
we've added things. 00:35:46
One of the things we added was this is our local scapes. 00:35:50
Exhibit. 00:35:53
And again, even though we have the garden, it was kind of hard for people to envision what does that look like at my house? 00:35:54
So we basically built a kind of mock house and then showed them how they could install local scapes, which you may or may not be. 00:36:00
Familiar with? It's basically a. 00:36:06
You know, you know. 00:36:08
You're probably familiar with xeriscape, but a lot of times when people hear that, they think. 00:36:08
Rocks and skulls and. 00:36:12
Cactus, and that's not what we want here in Utah. It's not what we have here in Utah. And so Local Scapes was designed to really 00:36:14
show people that they could have a green and beautiful yard while still saving a substantial amount of water. 00:36:20
Next slide. 00:36:26
We have lots of free classes all throughout the year. 00:36:27
And we typically get a route between. 00:36:31
35 and 38,000 visitors to our garden park every year. 00:36:34
And we have. 00:36:38
About 40 in person classes every year. 00:36:40
And lots of our classes are now moving online and so we we have 10s of thousands of people that attend our online classes as well. 00:36:43
Also for incentives in terms of our conservation programs. 00:36:51
These are our three main pillars. The 1st 2 are pretty self-explanatory. We do rebates for. 00:36:55
Water efficient toilets and for smart sprinkler controllers and then our landscape incentives is really where the bulk of our 00:36:59
effort is. 00:37:03
Next slide. 00:37:07
Right now we are giving $3 per square foot. 00:37:09
In a rebate for any lawn that is taken out. 00:37:12
And replaced with water wise landscaping we have. 00:37:16
Some criteria so you can't just take out any lawn and put whatever you want there there has to, you know, has to meet the criteria 00:37:19
but. 00:37:22
We're really looking at not getting rid of all on. We're looking to get rid of non functional turf. There's a lot of turf that's 00:37:26
in people's yards and just in commercial spaces that nobody's using, nobody walks on except to mow it. And that's really what 00:37:32
we're trying to look at because it's a, it's essentially a large reservoir where we can save a lot of water by putting in. 00:37:38
Water wise landscaping. 00:37:44
So here's our website. You can go to Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District JWC d.gov/conservation. 00:37:47
And those buttons across the bottom will take you to those various conservation things. 00:37:54
Water Utah water savers is one of the most universal in terms of all incentives and anybody in the. 00:38:00
County can. 00:38:06
Put in their address and it will let them know what. 00:38:07
Incentive programs, they're available for their specific location and it will give them all the information in order to sign up 00:38:10
for those rebates. 00:38:13
That is all I have unless anyone has any questions. 00:38:18
So I had said earlier to maybe save questions to the end, but I think it makes more sense to ask them now. I can ask if I could. 00:38:21
This is great and by the way, I've been to that. 00:38:29
Conservancy, what did you like? 00:38:32
Garden Observation garden. Conservation Garden. 00:38:33
And if there's maybe some of you probably have, it's really cool. 00:38:35
I had. 00:38:40
Questions the. 00:38:41
First of all, size wise. 00:38:43
How do you compare for? Mostly I'm just. 00:38:45
Interested amongst? 00:38:48
Three of you, you know. 00:38:49
How you yours is quite large, obviously, right? Yeah. 00:38:50
We we deliver about 115,000 acre feet a year. 00:38:55
We serve a population of about 750,000 if you look at wholesale. 00:39:01
Some of our wholesale agencies have their some of their own sources and wells that they supplement and then there's others like 00:39:05
West Jordan or Bluffdale that were their sole source. 00:39:09
But but yeah, I, I do believe in terms of. 00:39:13
It's probably a toss up and there's some differences between US and Central Utah Water Conservancy District, but there's really 00:39:16
four large water Conservancy districts in the state. There's us we were based in that serves Davis and Weber. 00:39:22
Central Utah, that's primarily Utah County, but we do take a lot of central Utah water and then Washington County down at Saint 00:39:27
George. 00:39:30
And then you've got Metropolitan Water District that wholesalers to Salt Lake and Sandy, they're also fairly large. And then of 00:39:34
course, Salt Lake City's got a large. 00:39:38
Got it. So you're massive. Really. Yeah. 00:39:41
Yeah. 00:39:43
So with these 300 and some odd. 00:39:45
That are here on holiday then. 00:39:47
So. 00:39:49
I get that it originated from the 60s and all of that. 00:39:50
Is it likely that that will? 00:39:52
Continue in perpetuity or. 00:39:54
You know, we've approached holiday and Salt Lake City a couple times about, you know, if they want to take over that water system. 00:39:56
There's obviously some logistics to doing now. There's some difference in rates and you know, sometimes it's just a timing issue. 00:40:01
We actually were having some internal discussions that maybe it's time to have that conversation again. 00:40:06
One of the things that when we started taking water from Metropolitan in order to serve those areas because we couldn't use Castle 00:40:12
Springs anymore. 00:40:16
Was that there's there's a surcharge on top of that because. 00:40:21
It's, you know, you're in a different pressure zone and so we were getting charged for Metro. We had to pass that along to those 00:40:25
customers and so they pay a little bit higher rate than our other retail customers. 00:40:29
But one of the things I forgot to mention and thanks for your question because it reminded me. 00:40:34
We actually got a grant, a $3,000,000 grant, and we are actually putting a treatment process on those Castle Springs. 00:40:38
So that we can then move those back into our system and no longer. 00:40:44
Need to you know. 00:40:48
Buy water from Metro to serve those areas. So that should reduce the rate. But again, I think there's an opportunity. 00:40:49
One, obviously if you guys would be happy to probably get to 1 water supplier and not have three different, you know, hodgepodge 00:40:55
systems serving your your residents, but no, that's not something that has to go forth in perpetuity We generally. 00:41:02
In our actual bylaws. 00:41:10
We have a mission to. 00:41:13
To try and get to where we're just a wholesale agency, we just think it it. 00:41:14
Smart to do that. It's strange to have these little pockets places. We're happy to continue to serve those areas, but it makes it 00:41:18
difficult for residents. The person across the street, you know, gets their water from somebody else. It's difficult for cities. 00:41:23
And so that's something we're happy to. 00:41:27
Have a conversation about Yeah. 00:41:32
Thanks and sorry I have so many questions and. 00:41:34
Call me Mr. 20 questions if you want to, but but I do have more. 00:41:36
So on your rates though, I'm curious, does that take into account lot size and things like that at all or is it? 00:41:40
Now what we do is a lot of places do it by lot size, but one of the the. 00:41:46
Problems that people have is you might have a lot, quarter acre lot, that's all long. 00:41:51
And you might have 1/4 acre lot that's very that's landscaped, you know, with a lot of efficient landscaping. And so is it fair 00:41:54
that they pay the same? 00:41:58
You know. 00:42:03
So what we've chosen to do is. 00:42:03
Meter size. 00:42:06
And then we have actually. 00:42:07
Looked at the data, we have AMI. So we've got AMI on all of our meters. And we actually did a study where we looked at the water 00:42:09
usage for all of our retail customers. And we then basically took the bell curve and we kind of looked at it seasonally and said 00:42:14
OK. 00:42:18
For people who are using their water efficiently and the way we figured that out. 00:42:23
Because we actually did. 00:42:27
Looked, you know, looking at GIS and using Google Earth and other. 00:42:29
Mapping, umm. 00:42:32
We said. 00:42:33
How much lawn is in a typical quarter acre lot OR? 00:42:34
A typical. 00:42:38
A lot that has a three quarter inch meter or one that has a one inch meter. 00:42:39
And based upon that square footage of. 00:42:43
Irrigatable, you know, area. 00:42:46
What would be we consider to be efficient water use? And so again, the idea was to keep. 00:42:48
The vast majority of people who are using their water. 00:42:53
Relatively wisely. 00:42:55
In those lower tiers. 00:42:57
And then we do have obviously some people that are on those out, you know, the outer edges that are going up into that Tier 4. And 00:42:59
again, that's to, you know, basically promote conservation. 00:43:03
So we have found that we're able to have more people. 00:43:08
Stay in the lower tiers. 00:43:11
By looking at and it makes more sense. 00:43:14
To use meter size. 00:43:16
Than to go by lot size. 00:43:18
Interesting last question. 00:43:19
This do I understand correctly that there's? 00:43:22
By Olympus Junior High School, just West of it. 00:43:26
There's a piece there and I had I. 00:43:28
Thought I had been told at one point that that was to. 00:43:30
It's a supply line that goes out and feeds. 00:43:32
Jordan water is that. 00:43:34
Sorry I missed the first part. Where did you say it's by Olympus Junior High School, just West of it. There's a there's a piece 00:43:36
there. 00:43:39
And so is that a case where you're purchasing water from another water company that to you or something like that? Yeah, we have 00:43:42
two lines that come. Well, we actually have about four connections kind of between Little Cottonwood Creek and. 00:43:47
And then? 00:43:54
Like the fortunes and where we can take water there. 00:43:55
Metropolitan And so it's probably referring to that one of those connections we have. 00:43:58
Several. 00:44:02
But the treatment facility that you'll be? 00:44:03
It's like a. 00:44:04
Facility that you'll build. Yeah. So there's, I don't know, you're probably familiar. We have a reservoir in Analoa. 00:44:05
There's a reservoir there and that's the reservoir that those springs will feed into. We're actually going to put the treatment. 00:44:11
For those springs at that Nana Lower reservoir site. 00:44:16
Got it. So. 00:44:19
Thank you. 00:44:20
What is your timeline on the Castle Springs? 00:44:21
Time right now. 00:44:24
So we're looking at probably. 00:44:26
18 months to two years, hopefully before we're completely finished with the project. We'll just have to see how things go. Would 00:44:28
that give you an opportunity to expand retail service or is your objective? 00:44:32
Or to still scale back our objectives, to still scale back We don't. We have no desire to expand our retail service, especially 00:44:36
with these little pockets. It just doesn't. It's not efficient for us. 00:44:41
The idea is really to have a backup. 00:44:46
Or to look for opportunities where we're no longer having to take water from Metro because that's been on a. 00:44:48
A system capacity basis. So for instance, at any point in time if they say, hey, we need the capacity in our pipeline to deliver 00:44:53
to our actual customers, which is Salt Lake and Sandy, they can technically kick us out of that pipe. 00:44:59
And basically say, yeah, you're on your own, you got to find water somewhere else and so. 00:45:06
Getting to where we can treat those sources again, that gives us a backup. 00:45:09
You know, and so we would then move to. 00:45:13
The Castro Springs as our primary. 00:45:16
With Metropolitan being a backup and then. 00:45:18
Hopefully that should allow us to reduce those rates when you say your customers if you're getting out of retail. 00:45:21
Would you then be? 00:45:27
Selling back to Salt Lake City. 00:45:28
Yeah, we've there's been several different ways that we've done it. 00:45:30
You know, sometimes it's just a. 00:45:34
Take over a connection and we have to workout infrastructure and what, you know, depends on what the cost of infrastructure is and 00:45:35
what people are taking over. But yeah, essentially it's either, you know, holiday water or. 00:45:40
Salt Lake City that would then essentially take over service to those. 00:45:45
To those retail customers, right and we'd workout with I guess my concern about. 00:45:49
I'm trying to figure out you've got this. 00:45:53
Monster Capital plan in these. 00:45:55
Early years coming up. 00:45:57
And then? 00:45:59
Fading out later. 00:46:00
But is there an impact to holiday retail? 00:46:03
Customers. 00:46:07
Taking the front end of. 00:46:08
A big share of. 00:46:09
An oversized portion of their share of these capital projects and then they. 00:46:11
Get bailed out to be picked up. Actually I would say it's the other way around and so forget I asked that then. 00:46:15
So there's. 00:46:22
And it's not. 00:46:23
I don't want to go into, you know, go so far as to say that that retail is, I mean that that wholesale subsidizing retail that you 00:46:24
get a great economy of scale because we're such a whole, you know, large wholesaler rate agency. So that's really what it comes 00:46:29
down to. 00:46:33
The retail rates are almost at Wholesale Canada, I think. Yeah, the retail rate, our retail rates are very competitive and frankly 00:46:38
that's been one of the. 00:46:41
Reasons why we've. 00:46:45
Had trouble say. 00:46:46
You know, having other agencies and access is because those people are like, hey, we pay really low rates during value we don't 00:46:48
want to pay. 00:46:51
City X rates or citywide rates. They want their low. 00:46:54
Water rates. So that's kind of been one of the barriers. 00:46:57
In the past. 00:47:00
Would. 00:47:02
For that area, you're doing retail now and holiday. 00:47:05
What if you were to leave that area from a retail standpoint? 00:47:08
Is Salt Lake City the only option or would it be also an option for holiday water? 00:47:12
I think either one would be an option. It would just be a case of looking at it from both the technical standpoint, what makes 00:47:16
sense from the. That's the question. From a technical standpoint for both, I think both are viable. Yes, we've looked at them and 00:47:21
I think both are equally viable. It's just kind of depending on. 00:47:25
What if they? 00:47:30
Think that's the case on there, but yeah, we could either one could be an option. 00:47:32
On the conservation side is for local residents and local scaping. 00:47:36
Is there? 00:47:42
I mean, is there? 00:47:42
Consulting available out there at the center, like free consulting, kind of free consulting if you sign up for those incentives 00:47:44
and it walks you through, there's a lot of stuff that's online that kind of let's you do it at your pace. But yes, you can bring 00:47:49
in your plan and say here's what I'd like to do. Is this a good idea? You know, can you help me figure that out? And so yes, 00:47:55
there's lots of, it's all free consulting. So Yep. 00:48:00
Cool, there's lots of resources there. 00:48:06
Thank you. 00:48:07
Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thanks. 00:48:10
All right. 00:48:13
Salt Lake City, all right. 00:48:15
Thanks everybody, for having us here. My name is Jesse Stewart. I'm the deputy director of Public Utilities in Salt Lake. 00:48:27
We're probably the biggest provider. 00:48:32
Here in in Holiday city I think. 00:48:34
Jordan Valley is probably the smallest and then it's us and then Holiday Water Company than us. 00:48:37
So I'm going to start off just a little bit about Public Utilities. I've got a few slides. 00:48:42
I can talk about any number of things as we go forward, but I'm going to just try to run through these real quick so we can have 00:48:46
time for questions. 00:48:50
We're one of the oldest water providers in the in the West actually. 00:48:54
Oldest one here in the in the in the valley I believe. Established in 1876. 00:48:58
Our department of Salt Lake City Municipal Corporations, so we're one of the departments just like public services or parks. 00:49:03
Would be. 00:49:10
We provide water for about 360,000 people. 00:49:11
And that's across Salt Lake City. 00:49:14
Mill Creek Holiday, a little bit of Cottonwood Heights. 00:49:17
A little bit of Midvale, a little bit of South Salt Lake, and. 00:49:20
Maybe one other's I can't remember right now. 00:49:26
We do in our department. We do sewer, storm water and St. lighting in Salt Lake City and then we do water. 00:49:28
Really. From the mouth of Little Codman Canyon across the east bench. 00:49:33
Either way, into Salt Lake City proper, out to the new prison site. 00:49:36
We're pretty heavily regulated by both as, as is Giselle and everybody else, by EPA and DEQ with Clean Water Act and Safe Drinking 00:49:40
Water Act and then with our water rights by the Division of Natural Resources, Division of Water Rights. 00:49:46
Next slide. 00:49:52
So again, these are our four utilities. 00:49:53
Again, for for here in Holiday City, it's just water, and that's why I've got a picture of one of the Alpine lakes up in Codman 00:49:56
Canyons. 00:49:59
Part of our mission is also to do source protection in local. 00:50:03
Little Cottonwood. Big Cottonwood. 00:50:06
And parleys, and then City Creek itself also. 00:50:08
Again, there's the two we serve water to and what we do within the city for our other four utilities. 00:50:11
Keep in mind those are forced independent utilities. They all operate separately. 00:50:18
There's no we can't take sewer money. 00:50:22
And fund water projects and vice versa. So it's water is just water, sewers just sewer. 00:50:24
So why do we serve Holiday City? 00:50:30
So if anybody can recognize that picture, you get a. 00:50:32
Apprise any ideas? 00:50:36
That's a pump station at Utah Lake. 00:50:39
So why do I have a picture of the pump station of Utah Lake? 00:50:41
So part of what we do. 00:50:45
Again, we're the. 00:50:48
Historic water provider on East Bench. 00:50:49
And a lot of this stems to the exchange agreement from the late 1800s. 00:50:51
You got a lot of canals going through here. We've got the East Shore Extension, you've got Big cotton with lower, Big Cotton with 00:50:54
10 or Big Cottonwood Walker. 00:50:58
Neumann ditch, You've got all these different canals that come through here. 00:51:02
All of those. 00:51:05
Or have agreements with Salt Lake City. 00:51:06
Back in the day in the 1800's, the farmers, the people who were irrigating, wanted a constant supply of water for the irrigation 00:51:09
season. 00:51:12
Salt Lake City wanted to have better, more pristine water to treat. 00:51:15
So we exchanged. 00:51:19
Utah lake water for. 00:51:20
For irrigation so that we can use. 00:51:21
The more pristine water for. 00:51:23
Culinary. 00:51:25
So that's. 00:51:27
Again, we started treating. 00:51:27
And using little cognitive and big Cottonwood and we. 00:51:29
Convey that water all the way from the mouth of Little Cotton with two Salt Lake City. 00:51:32
And we provided water all along the way. 00:51:36
So we've been providing water out here long before anything was incorporated, back when it was unincorporated county. So kind of 00:51:38
think of the east bench. 00:51:42
Across the way, with the exception of a little bit like Shazelle talked about and a little bit of what? 00:51:45
White City does or what Holiday water does. We are the main water provider as it goes across. 00:51:51
One thing to keep in mind, it's not like we can say. 00:51:57
Hey, here's Holiday's water and here's your connections and here's Mill Creek and here's your connection. I think it is one large 00:51:59
Organism. 00:52:02
So the water passes through. 00:52:05
The different pressure zones we have from. 00:52:07
Cottonwood Heights into Holiday City, into Milk Tree and then into Salt Lake City. So we can't. 00:52:09
We can't say, oh, we're not going to serve. 00:52:14
Holiday City anymore because. 00:52:16
It's part of our system as we go forward. 00:52:19
I'm not going to read all that, so we'll go on. 00:52:22
Water related infrastructure. We've got 3 water treatment plants. We've got one up in City Creek Canyon. 00:52:25
We've got one. 00:52:30
At the base of right by the golf course in Parleys Canyon, right below. 00:52:31
Mountain Dew Dam. 00:52:37
100 year old dam there with the dream plant right below it. 00:52:38
And then we've got big Cottonwood at the mouth of Big Cottonwood. And there were also. 00:52:41
Member agencies with Metro Water metro and water district of Saugus sandy that has. 00:52:45
Little cognitive water treatment plant and pointing to the mountain water treatment plant and then they have agreements with 00:52:51
Giselle and Jordan Valley. 00:52:54
So we actually get some water from the Herriman plant out into kind of the Western. 00:52:57
Northwestern portion of Salt Lake City. 00:53:02
Through those exchanges. 00:53:04
We have 7 water storage dams and reservoirs. Again, that's the high. 00:53:06
Alpine dams that were part of old irrigation companies that we took over, and then we got Mountain Dell and Little Dell. 00:53:09
Up in Parley's Canyon. 00:53:15
We have 32 or yeah, 32 distribution reservoirs and tanks. I'll talk about some of those that we're going to be doing some capital 00:53:17
on here in in a holiday in the coming years. 00:53:22
And we have about 1300 miles of water lines. 00:53:26
650 miles of sewer and 350 miles of stormwater. Again, those bottom 2 are just within Salt Lake City proper. 00:53:29
Next slide. 00:53:35
On that picture on that last slide was bigoted water treatment plant. 00:53:36
Water lines. 00:53:40
Our lines, again, we've got some older ones, we've got some new ones. We're replacing every year. We're getting new lines put in 00:53:42
every year. 00:53:45
I'll talk about some of the break history we've had here in Holiday. 00:53:49
And the challenges we have there. 00:53:52
Again, most common size is 6812 and there's some big ones for our big transmission lines. 00:53:54
And then we've got a mixture of ductile iron, cast iron, PVC and concrete. 00:53:59
Types of pipes. 00:54:04
When we go to do our asset management, we have a fairly robust asset management program. We try to say every piece of. 00:54:06
Of. 00:54:14
Infrastructure we have has a plan. 00:54:16
So we look at all of our pipes, all of our. 00:54:18
Pump pump plans are pressure reducing valves, whatever it might be, and we try to give it all a condition and a criticality. 00:54:20
So criticality is going to be how critical is it to our system? 00:54:27
So I live in Salt Lake City. The line in front of my house is very critical to me. But in terms of the grand system. 00:54:30
It's not that critical. 00:54:35
But its condition could be. 00:54:37
You know, weren't that we do work on it. So everything is a one to five. 00:54:39
55 would be the. 00:54:42
The worst condition and most critical. 00:54:44
Project we have. 00:54:46
So we try to look at all those as we go, so we inventory. 00:54:47
We assign criticality condition and then we create a plan for those and we we update that plan every year as we go through our 00:54:50
budget cycles. We have an annual plan, a five year, a 10 year and then a 30 to 50 year plan as we go forward. 00:54:55
Factors that go into this again to the critical. 00:55:02
Condition and criticality. 00:55:05
We also look at what's going on with growth. 00:55:07
In terms of the city and this city also. 00:55:09
There's not a lot of room to expand. 00:55:12
Kind of laterally, but a lot of the cities are going up. 00:55:14
You're getting infill and you're and you're getting taller buildings. So we're making sure we'll get that. 00:55:17
We can't take care, take care and look at different regulations that are coming down. So we we're. 00:55:21
We, as all public water systems, analyze. 00:55:26
Daily for a myriad of constituents. 00:55:29
Some of the current ones were. 00:55:31
We're starting to look at with EPA is forever chemicals. That's when we're starting to look at the PFAS and PFOS. 00:55:33
We also work with. 00:55:39
Road work and agency coordination so we meet with Salt Lake City and Mill Creek and Holiday. 00:55:40
And we try to make sure that. 00:55:45
We don't have a plant a project planned. 00:55:47
You know, a month or a year after, say. 00:55:49
City puts in a brand new roadway. We'd like to get in there ahead of them. Glad you brought that up because we're going to talk 00:55:52
about specific situation. OK, go ahead. 00:55:56
OK. Then we look at budgeting, financing, like what can we actually afford? What can we afford to do? Sometimes it's going to be. 00:55:59
We delay and we do more repairs and sometimes we do. 00:56:06
Our actual capital, capital improvements. 00:56:09
Internal external resources, efficiency and sustainability, and what public impact we have on things. 00:56:12
Upcoming capital projects and holidays. So I've kind of got near term, this is one to three years. 00:56:19
And then short term 3 to 5. 00:56:23
And all these might change and go forward, but that's what we're looking at right now. 00:56:25
So I've circled. 00:56:29
I've got a square around Tanner Reservoir and I've got to got this big. 00:56:30
Oblique, whatever you call that shape. 00:56:34
Kind of around the Hughes Canyon neighborhood that's had a lot of breaks recently. 00:56:37
Satana reservoir, we're actually replacing that entire reservoir and it'll be doing a lot of the valving and things there and that 00:56:41
directly impacts. 00:56:45
Where the water pressure comes for a lot of holiday. 00:56:49
Holiday city here. 00:56:52
Then Hughes Canyon. 00:56:53
Again, you're probably aware we had. 00:56:55
Fairly significant issue there recently. 00:56:57
That's that's in the final stages of getting cleaned up. 00:56:59
Waters back in service and then we're going to be looking at that whole neighborhood. 00:57:02
For replacements, we've done that a couple times in Holiday and Milk Creek and in Salt Lake City. 00:57:06
There's some neighborhoods. 00:57:11
That you know the pipes are great until they're inaugurated. 00:57:12
And there's like, it's like a vintage of wine or a vintage of. 00:57:15
Of something else. You're looking at some pipes. It's like we're realizing. 00:57:18
Of that 1972 pipe is just not good. 00:57:21
Because it's starting to, it starts to go all at once. 00:57:23
So we're definitely against those. And then the short term we get the 39 S pump station and pipelines will be going on. 00:57:26
And then the Olympic Splendor area, that's another area that we're looking at because of history breaks. 00:57:32
As we go forward. 00:57:37
So can you. 00:57:38
Give us any numbers on that. I mean, what is short term, what is near term? So short term is going to be one to three years as 00:57:40
we're budgeting this. We can't do it all at once and there's a lot of lines to replace. 00:57:45
And then the short term is going to be 3 to 5. 00:57:50
So the near term is the stuff that we've got in our budgets. 00:57:52
Coming up and those, those are things we'll be budgeting in the next year. 00:57:55
And as it might be a multi year project as we go forward. 00:57:58
Do you have any more exact dates on that Hughes Canyon neighborhood? 00:58:02
Replacement, I think what we're planning on is having that in this next budget cycle. So at least we're getting started on it. 00:58:06
For next year. 00:58:12
Yeah, OK. Yeah, that's the plan is to at least get started on that. 00:58:13
Whether we get through all of it. 00:58:17
And once we assess it all that'll that'll be determined. 00:58:18
OK. 00:58:21
We're seeing the headlights coming. 00:58:23
Is in Drew's neighborhood by Morningside, right Lisa Drive and 38 yeah, that's that's another one. I think that's. 00:58:26
Is that the splinter area? Yeah, that's, that's not the Splendor area. It's a completely different. Well, Lisa's, Lisa's another 00:58:33
one. I actually looked at that today. I think I just wrote down Splendor Lisa's another area that we're looking at because that's 00:58:36
just. 00:58:40
That's just a. 00:58:43
Kind of by the. 00:58:44
Pedestrian bridge that goes across. 00:58:45
You know, it's by Morningside Elementary. It's a little bit lower. 00:58:47
I mean, they're, yeah. 00:58:50
There and down, we'll kind of get that or in their head down. 00:58:51
Yeah. 00:58:54
Don't you mean do you? 00:58:55
On your short term. 00:58:58
Well, we have to assess it and see. 00:58:59
What it's going to take to replace those? 00:59:01
So we can't just go in and do all the replacements at once. So we'll. 00:59:04
Will make a plan for those areas. 00:59:07
And get and then start putting those into our capital plan. 00:59:09
And our long term budgeting and longtime short term budgeting as we go forward, those are all areas that are on our radar right 00:59:12
now. 00:59:16
To take a look at. 00:59:20
The issue on our side, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that. 00:59:21
Even though the there is water pipe problems up there and even though you might not consider those to be critical. 00:59:24
The road on top of those pipes. 00:59:31
Is critical. 00:59:33
And so. 00:59:34
If we wait, then the cost repair of that road goes up by 10X. That's what I talked to my engineers today and they've actually been 00:59:36
talking to Jared. 00:59:39
And I think we're going to try to, I think, is that the Lisa way one? 00:59:42
Yeah, yeah. So that's that's on our radar. I should have put it on here. Sorry. 00:59:45
Because of that road work. 00:59:49
We're trying. We're gonna want to get in ahead of that. OK? Yeah, because that's the one we want to really get scheduled. 00:59:50
Because that can mean. 00:59:55
A huge cost difference on the road piece. 00:59:57
Even though you might not view the water piece to be as critical. 01:00:00
That's one of those if we go ahead and do the road because we can't wait anymore. Yeah, we do that and then you 2 years later tear 01:00:03
it up, That's when we get. 01:00:06
To heck beat out of us. Yeah, well, we and. 01:00:10
Believe me, we do that and. 01:00:12
Whether it's Cottonwood Heights, Holiday, Mill Creek, Salt Lake City. 01:00:14
We and I wish I'd sorry I didn't put that on here. That's one I did talk to my engineers about because of the the roadway projects 01:00:17
coming up. 01:00:20
OK. Yeah, that's one we'd appreciate some real solid. 01:00:24
Coordination there and. 01:00:27
I know you've got other huge capital investment projects, but the Big Cottonwood Canyon and. 01:00:29
And such, but that's just one of those that's going to be super annoying if we don't that's coordinating. I'm glad you brought 01:00:34
that up. My apologies for not having on here. That's when I did talk to them about today. 01:00:37
Right. Yeah, It's not just having the heck beat out of us. It's. 01:00:41
Poor use of taxpayer funds. You know, it's just. 01:00:44
Unwise. 01:00:47
You're preaching to the choir and it said we do our best. 01:00:48
We do our best, but. 01:00:51
But when breaks happen? 01:00:52
Sure, I wish we could do a moratorium on all roads, and we try to. 01:00:54
We do that with UDAT. We have various cities. 01:00:58
But we have to get in. We have to get in. 01:01:00
But if it's planned. 01:01:02
Then we should all work together and not. 01:01:03
Plan to be stumbling behind you and. 01:01:05
Tearing up a brand new road. 01:01:08
I you're, we're right on board with that. 01:01:10
So I had a question about you said the tenor reservoir replacement, can you go back as? 01:01:13
Is the valve replacement? Is that what it said? 01:01:17
Excuse me, a valve replacement, is that by Roland Harper's up there? We're replacing the actual reservoir itself, and then there's 01:01:19
valving associated with it outside of the footprint of the. 01:01:23
And that will improve water pressure. 01:01:28
I'm not going to say it's going to improve. 01:01:31
Our ability to deliver water, yeah, because that's, it's a, it's an old infrastructure. 01:01:34
I'm not sure it's gonna improve. 01:01:38
Water pressure would be the same elevation. 01:01:40
So it'll be close to the same water pressure unless we. 01:01:42
Really raise it up high. 01:01:44
But it will be similar water pressure, but it will be a more sustainable long term project because it's it's it's reached its end 01:01:46
of life. 01:01:49
OK. 01:01:53
The other ones I don't have on here is. 01:01:55
Kind of broader system wise, right now we're rebuilding City Creek water treatment plants. 01:01:57
We're working with Metropolitan Water. They're going to be rebuilding. 01:02:02
A little cotton water treatment plant. 01:02:06
We actually flip-flopped with them. We're going to have them go 1st and then we're going to right after the Olympics. We're 01:02:08
planning on rebuilding big Cottonwood water tree and plant. 01:02:11
In the interim pricing? 01:02:15
A lot of construction going on kind of between. 01:02:17
Between holiday and. 01:02:19
Cottonwood Heights municipalities, we're doing a connection between the two. 01:02:21
So that when it comes time for us to rebuild Big Cottonwood. 01:02:25
We can actually send big Cotton water to Little Cotton water treatment plant and preserve that water resource. 01:02:28
So that's just a great way to kind of. 01:02:33
Keep that water resource viable as we go, because the big Cotton. 01:02:35
It's literally between a rock and a hard place. It's between. 01:02:39
The roadway, the Creek and a rock outcrop and it's the optimal elevation so we can gravity feed to our system. So we've assessed 01:02:43
going further. 01:02:46
Downhill. 01:02:50
But then we have to pump into our system and there's no place to go further uphill. 01:02:51
So to do that, it's going to be. 01:02:55
Once we decide to do that, we're going to tear the plant down and rebuild it. 01:02:57
And not have it as a viable treatment option. 01:03:01
So that's why we put the pipeline. 01:03:03
And then other things that will be going on down the road. 01:03:05
With Metro water is they're doing. 01:03:08
Doing some work on this I talk about. 01:03:10
That's the that's the pipeline, the major pipeline that conveys water up to the terminal reservoir. 01:03:13
Complex by REI. 01:03:17
And that's where Giselle gets her water. That's the connections coming off that. 01:03:19
But there'll be work on that to harden that as we go from as they go forward over the next several 10 to 20 years. 01:03:22
This is the water mains replaced in the last 20 years. 01:03:29
The picture on the left is our system wide. That's our service area. 01:03:32
You can see little cutouts there for the University of Utah and a little cut out down below. 01:03:36
Although we do show those because we track some of those for holiday. 01:03:40
Water lines were placed in holiday water system. 01:03:43
As you can see, lot, we're always replacing lines and it's again go back to that condition and criticality how we do things. 01:03:46
And then as it's again, it's if there's a large history break, we're going to go in and try to get those as soon as we can. 01:03:54
And then on the. 01:03:59
On the right side is Holiday City itself. 01:04:00
You can see over the last 20 years there's been quite a bit of pipeline being put in. 01:04:03
Next slide. 01:04:07
This is the water main breaks in the last five years. You can see that kind of. 01:04:10
Cluster up in the upper right hand corner. 01:04:13
That's one of the areas we focus on actually in 2023 replaced a lot of those and we've got a lot more of those going in. 01:04:15
Then you can see the next cluster down. 01:04:22
That's another one that's on our. 01:04:24
On our agenda along with. 01:04:26
The roadway project we just talked about the. 01:04:28
Drive or lease away? 01:04:32
Work on the. 01:04:33
Left side in the table. There you can kind of see the number of breaks in the last five years. 01:04:35
And that's and then you can see the total system miles, so. 01:04:40
You and Holiday in Cottonwood Heights have about 150 miles of pipe, Mill Creek's about 201 and then Salt Lake City is about 867. 01:04:43
We try to. 01:04:51
We don't. 01:04:52
We have breaks all across our system. 01:04:53
It's a similar age pipe in various locations. Again, the east bench of some of the. 01:04:55
First step to go inside some of the older pipe. 01:05:00
And then as you get out into the out into the newer stuff, hopefully it's not breaking as much. But again. 01:05:02
We found some, you know, pipes from the 1990s that just aren't a good pipe, and we're replacing some of those too, so. 01:05:07
We're constantly looking at things as we go forward. 01:05:13
And looking at these clusters so we can find out where we have the break histories and we can try to get to those sooner than 01:05:17
later. 01:05:20
As we as we make our way through our system. 01:05:24
Next slide. 01:05:27
On our study. 01:05:28
We just finished the rate study. Our rates went into effect. 01:05:30
On July 1. 01:05:33
Some of the big changes we saw is. 01:05:34
We went to tiered structure year round instead of just tiered structure in the summer months. 01:05:37
And then we changed our tiers. We kind of lowered them so that. 01:05:42
The lowest cost to be those. 01:05:46
Families that do use the least water, so our tiers now go zero to 5. 01:05:49
5 to 10. 01:05:53
Our zero to five, six to 1011 to 40 and greater than 40, whereas previously they were broader tiers. 01:05:55
So you might be finding that you and your constituents are. 01:06:00
Getting to higher tiers sooner. 01:06:03
Depending on the amount of water you use. 01:06:05
Do you have? 01:06:07
Graph of that. 01:06:08
I don't have a graph of that, but I can, I can direct you all to our rate study that's got all these, all the information in it. 01:06:09
Then the other thing with. 01:06:16
I know the question sometimes comes up. 01:06:18
Is our county residents we call them county because back in the day before incorporated. 01:06:20
And we can't get away from calling it Reed County, so. 01:06:24
Holiday, Mill Creek, all the municipalities that aren't in Salt Lake City. 01:06:27
They do pay a different rate than Salt Lake City. They pay a 1.3535% more. 01:06:30
For cost and per rates. 01:06:37
And that's because. 01:06:39
Salt Lake City residents. 01:06:40
Pay a property tax to the Metro for the Metrolog and Water District work. 01:06:42
Other county residents do not pay that. 01:06:47
And then Salt Lake City. 01:06:49
Because we own and hold all the liability for the infrastructure. 01:06:51
That goes into that calculation too, and as part of our rate study. 01:06:54
We actually did a separate study on that to verify that that 35% was accurate and it didn't come out accurately again. 01:06:58
So brings it to parity, huh? 01:07:04
What's that? It brings it to parity essentially, Yeah. So, yeah. Because because county and the city, yeah. So the county, because 01:07:07
the city residents pay the property tax that goes towards for Metropolitan Water District of Salt Lake and Sandy, whereas our 01:07:11
county residents do not pay that. 01:07:15
Can you go into a little more detail? You said that. 01:07:20
Because I have had residents complain about. 01:07:23
Their water prices, you said that. 01:07:26
With the new tiered rates, people would be moving into the higher tiers sooner. 01:07:28
Previous tiers. 01:07:32
So. 01:07:34
So we have a monthly service charge that's gone down. 01:07:35
And the race stabilization fee that we had in the previous fiscal year, that's gone away, that was going to a short-term. 01:07:38
To to keep us. 01:07:44
Solvent here, that's gone away and then the new restructure took that over. 01:07:46
So previous tiers were zero to 10. 01:07:50
CCF. 01:07:52
We measure our water in 100 cubic feet. 01:07:53
So that's 748 gallons. 01:07:56
So. 01:07:57
Zero to 10 was previous. 01:07:59
That was Tier 1. 01:08:01
Or block one. Now it's zero to 5. 01:08:02
Second block was 11 to 30, now it's 6 to 10. 01:08:06
Third block was 31 to 60, now it's 11 to 40. 01:08:09
And block 4 is greater than 60. Now it's greater than 40. 01:08:12
And that was all part of that rate structure we did to make sure that. 01:08:15
That were. 01:08:19
Getting our cost of service and we're. 01:08:20
Bidding in the appropriate rates as we go forward. So but is it ultimately that people are just are paying more like if you're 01:08:23
moving up to the tier, I mean? 01:08:26
Ultimately just it means with this new tier system. 01:08:29
Yeah. So it's going to be the new Tiers plus. 01:08:32
The tears, they're slightly higher than they were last year. 01:08:35
Plus, they're going to be jumping in. They're going to. 01:08:38
Changed here sooner than they would have. 01:08:40
So it's stout. 01:08:42
And isn't there a base rate in addition to that? Yeah, there's also the the monthly service charge. 01:08:44
And that's actually gone down. 01:08:50
So there's a monthly service charge based on meter size 3 quarter one inch. 01:08:51
2 inch whatever you might have. 01:08:55
And I'm happy to, I can send Gina a link to our rate study and I'm happy to come back and walk through it in in depth with you 01:09:00
also. 01:09:03
I just know there was a lot to cover here today so. 01:09:07
I haven't. 01:09:09
It was a one year process, pretty in depth with a great advisory committee and. 01:09:11
And a lot of consternation going back and forth, but. 01:09:16
Be happy to share that with everybody. Yeah. How would you describe at all? 01:09:18
Holidays representation in terms of the governance of. 01:09:24
Our water supplier, I mean. 01:09:29
Other water suppliers and sewer districts have locally elected board members, but clearly the. 01:09:31
Don't but. 01:09:35
How would how would you describe it at all as holiday representative? So we have the Public Utilities Advisory Committee. 01:09:36
That means that's a once a month meeting. I know we have at least one member from Holiday City on that. 01:09:42
We try to get broadly across the city and the county. St. Member. 01:09:48
What's that like a staff member? 01:09:52
No, it's a, it's a, it's a person of the public. 01:09:54
Who and how? It's Roger Players, the person who points to him. Or where did that come? It comes through. It's appointed by the 01:09:57
Salt Lake City mayor, and it can be. 01:10:02
You all can can give us any names that you might want to have on there and we can take those to our mayor. 01:10:07
Have it put on, OK, but as it stands, as it stands, the Salt Lake City mayor appointed somebody from Holiday Salt Lake City 01:10:12
Council council. 01:10:15
Appointed a Holiday resident to represent Holiday on that Rogers. Rogers. Probably been on it for my whole tenure with Salt Lake 01:10:19
City. 01:10:23
I never knew that. 01:10:28
Did you? 01:10:29
Didn't know that. 01:10:30
OK. 01:10:31
And we so we don't have. 01:10:33
So we don't have, it's not based on our. 01:10:35
Council districts. 01:10:37
We try to just. 01:10:38
X number from within Salt Lake City. 01:10:40
And then the rest we try to fill in with county representatives and it could be Holiday or Mill Creek or. 01:10:42
Whoever it might be. And can you explain how that works? Like what influence are they able to really have? 01:10:47
So we. 01:10:52
They approve our budgets every year. 01:10:53
They don't approve every single project we do, but they approve our master plan, our budget, which we present to them. 01:10:56
Everything from operations and maintenance, what we need and then our capital improvement plan. 01:11:03
So we give that all to them. 01:11:07
As part of that. 01:11:09
The budget. We have a budget. 01:11:10
Subcommittee. 01:11:11
It's made-up of them, They. 01:11:13
Come they go through the whole process. 01:11:14
And then they present that to the entire POAC. 01:11:17
That then goes to the mayor. 01:11:21
From with their approval and then the mayor gives it to the council with her approval. 01:11:23
And then they. 01:11:26
Approve or don't approve it. 01:11:28
Yeah, so big. That's the big picture stuff as far as. 01:11:29
Issues that holiday might. 01:11:33
You know those in the holiday area might be having though? Are they able to wield? 01:11:34
Any influence really or? 01:11:38
I think if they come to us with. 01:11:40
With projects or with issues. 01:11:42
Then we'll take those into account, I think. 01:11:45
You can either go through them or we work with Gina or Jared a lot also and if there's projects that come up. 01:11:48
Please let us know. 01:11:53
And we'll put them in and. 01:11:54
Kind of rack and stack them with our. 01:11:56
With our capital plan and our conditioning criticality and see where they fall out. 01:11:58
So I find it interesting that. 01:12:02
It's just kind of a member of the public that's. 01:12:05
Doing this because they don't. 01:12:08
They're not elected to represent. 01:12:10
People in holiday, they they probably know their neighborhood or whatever, but they don't have a broader picture of the concerns 01:12:13
that are going on in the city. Is that how all of the cities are represented? 01:12:18
That's just how it's been forever. That's just the bylaws of how, yeah. 01:12:23
What's the size of the Advisory Board and how many are? 01:12:28
From Salt Lake City and how many are I? 01:12:30
I'm gonna have to have Holly look that up. I think it's we have 7. We have a few vacancies right now. 01:12:33
And I think it's four and three, but I. 01:12:37
If Holly, you could look that up, I'd appreciate that. 01:12:39
Like 4 for the city and three for the county. 01:12:41
Yeah. 01:12:44
So the last slide I've got on is just our water supply and demand outlook. 01:12:53
And I have it on there simply because. 01:12:57
We live in a desert. 01:12:59
We're not out of a drought cycle right now. We're kind of, you know, if you look at it. 01:13:01
The lowest color there is. 01:13:05
Maybe a little bit of abnormally dry. 01:13:08
A lot of. 01:13:11
Out of orange. 01:13:13
Giselle mentioned a lot about their conservation program. We also have a conservation program. We're happy to send people out. We 01:13:15
do water checks for people. 01:13:18
The Utah State University. 01:13:22
We can send them out, they'll come and. 01:13:24
Actually look at every sprinkler head on someone's property and see what it see where it's going. 01:13:26
And then they can give recommendations for how much water each parcel might need. 01:13:31
So that's something we offer and then Stephanie do our conservation manager. 01:13:35
Would love to come and talk to any of your residents that want to talk. 01:13:39
About conservation, yeah. 01:13:43
So that's my last slide. 01:13:47
You know here for questions and I can. 01:13:49
Come back with additional information if you need that and if you want more in depth on our rates, I'm happy to come back and. 01:13:52
And spend a little more time in that with you. I do have another question as as far as kind of back to like the Jordan. 01:13:58
Water question as far as. 01:14:03
The the residents that you've serviced over the years has. 01:14:05
Has there been much transition or any transition? 01:14:09
In recent history. 01:14:12
Of certain. 01:14:14
Areas to holiday water for example, or other or others or is it? 01:14:15
Kind of so. 01:14:19
So we have. 01:14:20
We're actually working with Holiday for another. 01:14:21
They're doing some annexation with Sandy and Cottonwood Heights were against them. 01:14:23
Because. 01:14:27
If they go away, their Sandy gets takes their customers or we take the customers. 01:14:28
We have boundary service agreements with them and a lot of it's based on. 01:14:32
The infrastructure that's out there. 01:14:35
So are are we able to supply customers that they have? 01:14:37
Is their infrastructure. 01:14:41
Of I'm not, I don't want to say just that. Anybody. 01:14:43
Is it of quality we would take that on or would there need to be upgrades before we take it on to get it to our standards? 01:14:46
So it doesn't happen often. 01:14:53
But there are times where we have. 01:14:56
There are some customers like hey, that's it's. 01:14:59
It's better off as customers. 01:15:01
In Jordan Valley or vice versa, but it's not it would not be common. 01:15:03
By any means. 01:15:07
Is there somewhere? 01:15:09
I have one. 01:15:10
Constituent that. 01:15:11
That reached out. 01:15:12
Frustrated thinking that their water had changed from. 01:15:13
Holiday water to Salt Lake. 01:15:16
Salt Lake City Municipal. 01:15:17
Is there? 01:15:19
Who would you talk to to find out if that really was the case? I don't, you know, you can just give my name and I can get him in 01:15:20
touch with with our representative. 01:15:23
OK. And there, there has there have been a few of those over the overtime? 01:15:27
And again, it's just because it's a matter of geography sometimes and what makes more sense. But it has to be plumbed right too. 01:15:31
So it's not, it's not even just say well take their. 01:15:37
Take that customer because we have to. 01:15:39
Or they can't take our customers because the plumbing is not right. 01:15:42
So it's got to be replumbed and trenched in the in the streets and read. 01:15:44
Connected to their home somehow. 01:15:48
This doesn't seem like a weird question, but I'm just asking for your. 01:15:50
You know, transparent. 01:15:54
Is there any? 01:15:56
Difference in. 01:15:57
It was interesting looking at the brakes if you. 01:15:59
Factor like breaks per mile or whatever on that one slide that you showed. 01:16:01
Take a look at that. I think it was like. 01:16:05
It's not brakes per mile. Well, you could do well, no, I was just kind of looking at that thinking. 01:16:07
Is is there? 01:16:12
I mean are you 1 water system? 01:16:13
And you look at it that way because because Salt Lake City's was quite a bit lower breaks for mile. 01:16:15
The other ones I think if I so think of it this way too. So it's all it's. 01:16:20
Could be a matter of the age of the pipe. 01:16:23
Because. 01:16:26
Lot of Salt Lake cities. 01:16:27
Expanded out and that's more recent. 01:16:28
Whereas. 01:16:30
This was some of the original piping that took place as we go across the patch so. 01:16:31
I don't know if you can pop that up. 01:16:36
But we can look at that. So it's. 01:16:38
It's. 01:16:40
It's a matter of. 01:16:42
It's really a matter of the soil, the soil types, the age of the pipe. 01:16:43
What type of pipe it was when we took it over. 01:16:47
Because a lot of it we took over from, say, Green Ditch. 01:16:49
And there's a big push several years ago. 01:16:52
That a lot of that pipe is replaced. 01:16:56
Because. 01:16:58
It wasn't. 01:16:59
Great pipe. Because of failure rates, Yeah. And so that's kind of what we're looking at. And now some of these the break histories 01:17:00
you get. 01:17:03
Sometimes we find is like the pipes are fine and then all of a sudden. 01:17:06
That vintage of pipe is no longer fine. 01:17:10
And that's why we find ourselves chasing brakes. And some of the brakes would be. 01:17:13
You fix a break, you recharge it. 01:17:17
And you get a sympathetic break. 01:17:18
40 feet away. 01:17:20
As you just chase it. So those are the ones we just want to go in and replace those and give you pipe put in. 01:17:21
So, but yeah, it's a. 01:17:26
There's. 01:17:29
I know I've heard people say there's favoritism with the city. There's absolutely no favoritism with the city. 01:17:31
Because if your pipes. 01:17:35
You're all our customers. 01:17:37
And it's one big Organism and if the water doesn't flow through holiday, it doesn't make it where it needs to go. 01:17:39
Down the road. 01:17:44
So I'm concerned about. 01:17:45
Some. 01:17:48
Residents that I have heard from. 01:17:49
Over the summer. 01:17:51
You may remember that in June. 01:17:53
There was a large. 01:17:55
Break on Nyla Way that was large enough to make the local news. 01:17:58
Yep, that was fixed quickly. 01:18:02
But. 01:18:05
The. 01:18:06
The whole was never filled in. 01:18:07
I got an angry e-mail from. 01:18:09
A resident that lived on that street. 01:18:12
About a month after that break. 01:18:15
And I drive that. 01:18:17
Street. And it was a big enough break that in order to get around it, you had to. 01:18:18
Basically have your. 01:18:24
Tires in the gutter. 01:18:25
I mean, it was hard to get around. 01:18:27
And Jared, Bless. 01:18:30
Called one of your. 01:18:35
Cruise and they said, oh, we forgot about that one. 01:18:37
And then it was an additional 2 weeks. 01:18:40
Before. 01:18:42
It was completely fixed so. 01:18:43
That's. 01:18:45
But that's that's not. 01:18:47
I think the thing that that is most frustrating to us is people call us and say. 01:18:50
We've been calling. 01:18:55
We've been calling. 01:18:57
We call somebody named. 01:18:58
Call somebody named so and so. 01:19:00
And no one ever calls them back. There was a similar situation. 01:19:02
Just a few weeks ago on Melody Drive. 01:19:06
A homeowner texted me and said. 01:19:09
We've had a break. 01:19:12
The water has been coming out of the ground for six weeks. 01:19:14
We called. 01:19:17
Somebody came and put a barricade over it, but they've never come back. 01:19:19
And so we called. 01:19:23
They did come out and fix it now. 01:19:24
I've had a call both from that same resident and the resident across the street. 01:19:27
And yes, the break was fixed. 01:19:32
But one resident said that there they left a hole. 01:19:35
No barricades, no nothing. 01:19:39
They left a hole in their front yard. 01:19:41
They left pieces of. 01:19:44
They left. 01:19:46
Can I can I get that address from you? 01:19:49
And both of them say. 01:19:51
That their gutters have sunk. 01:19:53
Because of the. 01:19:55
Fact that there was water there for so long. 01:19:56
The address is. 01:19:59
2838 give it to me right now. So Oh yeah. 01:20:00
Oh, OK, Thanks Holly. 2838 Melody Drive and across the street, 2843 Melody Drive. 01:20:04
And what do you, what do I say as a City Council person? 01:20:13
When somebody calls me up. 01:20:18
I say well. 01:20:19
You know, there's really nothing we can do. This is not a city. 01:20:20
Issue it's the Salt Lake Public Utilities and they say, but we've been calling them and calling them and nobody ever calls us 01:20:24
back. 01:20:27
What do I say to that resident? 01:20:31
So. 01:20:34
I'm going to tell you that. 01:20:35
I've been taking action on this recently. 01:20:37
We've actually recently restructured our maintenance program. 01:20:39
So we have a maintenance manager that's dedicated just to maintenance and not distribution. 01:20:42
He's going to be taking a lot more closer look at. 01:20:47
How long? 01:20:50
Oftentimes we go in and we get the. 01:20:51
Again, this we might have. 01:20:53
Not gone out to the water leak. 01:20:54
Sufficiently on this and I might know why on that one. 01:20:56
But we get the water fixed. Our primary goal is get the water fixed, get people back in water. 01:21:00
There are times we languish on getting the final repairs done, whether it's. 01:21:05
The asphalt, sometimes we have to wait for asphalt and I'm not making. I don't want to be sound like I'm making excuses because 01:21:09
there are times we've been too long. 01:21:13
Like, I'll put that right out there. 01:21:16
But there are times we have to wait for. 01:21:19
Other utilities if. 01:21:21
If the water is eroded around some other utility, whether it's gas or sewer. 01:21:22
Sometimes a way for asphalt, sometimes they have to wait for sod, things like that. 01:21:27
Again, not excuses, because that's not always the case. 01:21:32
But with our new maintenance manager, one of the goals we've tasked him with is really tracking. 01:21:36
Are open Rd. cuts? 01:21:41
So that we don't have things that get lost. 01:21:42
So we don't have. 01:21:45
Someone going to fix the water line and then a new crew comes in. 01:21:46
You know, the night crew comes in and they don't finish the paperwork because they thought the day crew did it. So there's a lot 01:21:50
of those things we're working on right now. I can't say we're going to fix it overnight. 01:21:54
But it's something that's on my radar and it's on the department's radar, and we've made some changes. 01:21:58
Internally, uh. 01:22:03
To help adjust some of that. 01:22:04
Some of the water lines that might languish like that, especially in. 01:22:06
Holiday, we have times where it's it's a private water line. 01:22:10
So sometimes. 01:22:13
We have our water lines, but then there's private water lines that go off on those, and those are the responsibilities of the 01:22:14
private. 01:22:17
Water line holder. 01:22:20
Oftentimes we try to get them to do it and then we end up going in and doing it. 01:22:22
I can't say that's the case there, but we have had those cases also. 01:22:25
Where leaks continue because the private line owner hasn't gone into fixing and eventually we just go in and fix that and then we 01:22:29
build them. 01:22:32
So what do you mean a private? 01:22:36
Private line owner. So there's there's. 01:22:37
There are a lot of water mains that are, say, owned by the Green Ditch Company. 01:22:40
And so those are. 01:22:44
We provide the water, but they're, but they're they. They are. 01:22:45
Owned and to be maintained. 01:22:48
By that other entity. 01:22:50
Can you give me an example? 01:22:52
I could. I would have to look some up. I can. They're kind of down in the Walker Lane area. 01:22:54
So I can I can show you and I'll look at this. 01:23:00
The address you gave and see if that's one of them. 01:23:03
I can't say that's that case because I haven't memorized the. 01:23:05
Her district, yeah, she's up in the northeast, but, but, but they're they're, they're, they're elsewhere also. So there's times we 01:23:10
do have that, that it's a private water line. We try to get them to fix it and they eventually don't. 01:23:15
Then we'll go in and fix that and then charge them for. 01:23:21
But we don't want to become a maintenance crew for private. 01:23:24
Water line owners. 01:23:27
So, but again. 01:23:28
I hear what you're saying. 01:23:30
That's one of the goals I have right now with my maintenance crews is to make sure that. 01:23:32
I'm getting a weekly report now of open Rd. cuts. 01:23:36
So that I can look at those and I'm working with Chris, our new maintenance manager that he's looking at intently every week. 01:23:39
And making sure that we don't have. 01:23:45
The water line repaired because we always know we get that repair. 01:23:48
And that we don't languish on getting the final Rd. restoration done. 01:23:51
How long has it been since you've made that structural change? 01:23:56
He's been in a position. 01:23:59
About a month. 01:24:00
OK. Yeah. So it's, it's pretty recently, yeah. 01:24:01
So this. 01:24:04
Or this drive. 01:24:06
He said that he was calling somebody named Brett. So that's not the Brett. Brett is one of our. 01:24:09
Maintenance supervisors. 01:24:14
I will talk to Brett about that one. 01:24:16
Also. 01:24:17
Apparently he's called him numerous times and Brett has never called him back. 01:24:18
OK. Yeah, Brett, Brett is our. 01:24:21
One of our maintenance supervisors. 01:24:25
I know you feel like you're probably being raked over the coals here. Hey, that's honestly this is. 01:24:27
If I don't get the feedback from you or from others, then well, it's. I think structurally there's just it's. 01:24:32
Flawed, frankly. 01:24:37
There's, there's the representation thing that that council member Fotheringham brought up. It's just flawed and I, I'd love to 01:24:39
see a change because. 01:24:42
This is. 01:24:45
You know, I hate to say it, but it's the nature of monopolies, right? We are not monopoly and we have talks with our planning 01:24:46
department and others like. 01:24:49
You've got to provide. 01:24:52
You know, we got to pretend like there's competition here that you're you're providing this good customer service. Can me 01:24:53
personally, I can speak. 01:24:57
I was down. 01:25:01
And I say this just as. 01:25:02
Information it's not you, right? It's it's the the. 01:25:04
The entity but. 01:25:07
I personally had to go down to open up a water account for a place I bought down in Murray. 01:25:08
That Salt Lake City. 01:25:12
Covers and I can't remember what it was exactly but I was so frustrated because. 01:25:13
I think they didn't accept. 01:25:17
Credit cards or I can't remember. I had to go to a bank for something that like it was. 01:25:19
It was crazy, the kind of thing where. 01:25:23
It doesn't happen. 01:25:25
Outside of. 01:25:26
You know, public, typically it's just rolls of pennies that we take. Yeah. 01:25:27
In any case. 01:25:32
To the extent that you can take back to. 01:25:33
You being the deputy director, you know you can take back and try to instill. 01:25:35
A culture of. 01:25:39
Like changing those kinds of things. It's, it's, it's frustrating because. 01:25:40
Yeah, we are at the water company, we're the city. But we we hear about it and we when we have to have some way to. 01:25:45
To do something you know. 01:25:50
Yeah, can I add 1? 01:25:51
One more issue. 01:25:53
As long as we're talking. 01:25:54
There's a parcel. 01:25:56
I think it's being held in reserve for a possible pump station or something on 2030 E 2300 E 4500 S, yeah. 01:25:57
And we've had. 01:26:04
I think as long as I've been on the council, we've had trouble getting people out to maintain it on a regular basis. So that's 01:26:05
another one. When Gina asks us about this, she talked to me about that and. 01:26:10
Honestly, it's not always on my radar because it's. 01:26:14
What's 1 of the vacant lots we're holding for future? 01:26:17
I know that that you dot did some work around. 01:26:19
On the 45th side and. 01:26:22
And then on the. 01:26:24
2300 side there's some work also we fenced it off. 01:26:26
For a long time is being used as a staging area for various. 01:26:29
People just using it as a staging area. 01:26:32
So we blocked that off. I've talked to our maintenance teams. 01:26:34
And our. 01:26:37
Or the managers over there. 01:26:38
I think what we're going to do is part of our conservation. 01:26:41
Program. 01:26:44
We've worked with USU to develop a very low water turf. 01:26:45
That's actually used on a lot of golf courses now in Salt Lake City. 01:26:48
What we're going to do, I think, is we'll go through and. 01:26:51
Put in. 01:26:54
Probably a yard hiding out there so we have some water. 01:26:55
Try to establish this turf. 01:26:58
And do some trimming of some of the trees and at least make it. 01:27:00
More presentable for everybody. 01:27:03
And put it on a mowing schedule. We have some of our mowing schedules we do internally. 01:27:05
Some we have a glancy of contractor that comes in. I might just put this on there. So they hit it every two weeks. 01:27:09
That would be great because it's kind of the entry into our. 01:27:14
Holiday Village area and. 01:27:17
It can be really unsightly if it's not maintained on a regular basis. No, I hear you. 01:27:19
I know we could have gone on a lot of different topics I would appreciate more information on. 01:27:28
That tiered structure change and how that happens because. 01:27:34
Because ultimately what I'm hearing is that residents are paying more. And I know there's lots of reasons for that, but when I 01:27:36
have people asking me, I'd like to really understand that in a way that I can explain. 01:27:40
Would if we had kept the alts here they still. 01:27:45
The rates that would have gone up, but what we did is we tried to. 01:27:48
By lowering that first here from zero to 5. 01:27:52
We're trying to do is the bulk of our water users. 01:27:55
Are in that tier for the most part. 01:27:58
So that's part of that equity is we want to make sure that it's equitable from everybody across the whole. 01:28:00
Socioeconomic. 01:28:05
Profile. 01:28:06
And so that's that was one of the reasons we did that. There was a long discussion with our advisory committee which tiers to go 01:28:07
with in that. 01:28:10
But I can definitely, I can send you some literature on that. That would be awesome. 01:28:13
Thank you very much. 01:28:17
And Holly, I hope you're taking all my notes because I'm. 01:28:18
So the 9 member. 01:28:21
Shore design outside of. 01:28:34
I believe we are meeting. 01:28:35
Now, but it doesn't. 01:28:38
How long have there been 3 vacancies? 01:28:42
We've had vacancies for quite a while. We just, there were just two new people appointed. 01:28:46
But that will still leave some vacancies, so if. 01:28:51
If you all have. 01:28:54
A recommendation. 01:28:56
Have Gina contact me and we can. 01:28:57
Was I? I guess on that note is is there a way that? 01:28:59
We can. 01:29:03
You know, maybe this is a question for Gina even that we can. 01:29:05
Take a more active role either in. 01:29:09
In recommending somebody regularly. 01:29:11
Or having somebody, I mean, I guess it can't be a member of the council that sits on that. 01:29:14
Where do they correct? OK, but. 01:29:18
Having somebody that has. 01:29:21
More of a relationship with the city. 01:29:23
Why Kennedy? Somebody on the council? 01:29:26
I believe we just don't have elected officials on that. 01:29:29
Public Utilities Advisory Committee. That's part of the bylaws, yeah. 01:29:32
I'd have to check if it's a biologic, I believe it is. 01:29:35
Have to understand the rationale on that because I know other cities have asked to have. 01:29:37
Public officials on We have not had that happen. 01:29:43
So or to have it be an elected position, you know, have it be elected even. 01:29:46
But yeah, because there's lots of districts that we sit on for different things that I think it's it's really helpful to have 01:29:50
people who represent large areas. 01:29:54
And I think that's something also is we. 01:29:58
Reach out. We can let you know who your representatives are. You can reach out to them. 01:30:01
And uh. 01:30:05
Have them come here. I mean again, we. 01:30:05
We have people from. 01:30:07
The various districts. 01:30:09
But we. 01:30:11
We don't say, hey, go back and. 01:30:11
Report back to. 01:30:13
People but. 01:30:15
Yeah, that's some y'all could have them do. 01:30:16
I think it's. 01:30:18
Kind of. 01:30:21
I don't want to use the word crazy, but that none of us know who our representative has been on this board. 01:30:23
And we've had these problems, but we've never known that there was someone that we could have talked to that was on your advisor. 01:30:28
There's a so there. And we meet up. It's a public open meeting every month except in the summer, we take a. 01:30:33
Some time because. 01:30:38
Most people are gone. 01:30:39
So but it's an open meeting once a month. 01:30:40
I just, I guess I find it interesting, even though it's not a tax, it's something everybody has to pay because everyone needs to 01:30:43
use water. 01:30:46
So it's an entity that. 01:30:49
That we were forced to pay the bill. 01:30:51
And we don't have anybody that represents. 01:30:55
The legal monopoly, right? Yeah. And I just find that really. 01:30:57
Interesting structure that I've. 01:31:02
So what we can do is. 01:31:04
Hollywood so we can get the bylaws and. 01:31:05
And show you where that comes from city ordinance. 01:31:07
Thank you so much. We said. We've asked a lot of questions. We just get a lot of questions. 01:31:12
All of us are getting questions and I think. 01:31:17
I mean, don't, don't wait for one of these opportunities. If you have questions, you can contact us directly or Gina knows. 01:31:20
How to get to get to us and. 01:31:25
We can try to respond to those and if there's a long standing ones. 01:31:27
I want those to be brought to my attention. 01:31:31
I don't want to. 01:31:33
I don't want to come up here and say. 01:31:34
We're getting to it. 01:31:36
Yeah, I want, I want to come up here and have you say, hey, you're doing great, so. 01:31:37
Sure. Thank you for taking the time to come tonight. We appreciate it. Thanks. 01:31:41
Thank you. 01:31:44
OK. All right. 01:31:45
Holiday. 01:31:48
Holiday water. 01:31:49
I know you wanted to be out of here 7:30, so I'll just take a few minutes, OK? 01:31:57
I don't have a slideshow, Gina. 01:32:03
Will be really helpful if we can. 01:32:06
Put that one up and just sort of show you. 01:32:08
100 or you know well whenever John Holiday and others five families. 01:32:11
Settled the place, showed up. They all pretty much built along Spring Creek. 01:32:16
The cleanest water to drink from and irrigate with SO. 01:32:21
That's where where the water started. 01:32:24
And as the community grew. 01:32:27
They acquired water rights coming out of Big Cottonwood Canyon. 01:32:30
As well. 01:32:35
They established a water company. 01:32:37
It's been around 100 years. 01:32:39
About that time. 01:32:44
Salt Lake City approached Holiday Water and said, hey, can we have some access to the water coming out of Cottonwood? 01:32:46
Creek, we said, yeah, that sounds good if you will build some pipelines through holiday. 01:32:51
And maintain them for. 01:32:58
For as long as we have this contract in place. 01:33:00
And that would and they also had to guarantee us 1,000,000 gallons of water a day. 01:33:03
During the summer months and 700. 01:33:09
1000 gallons of water a day during the winter months. 01:33:12
So that's where the water supply sort of come and so we have some main lines that run through holiday. 01:33:15
Holiday Blvd. Highland Drive. 01:33:21
Little bit Wander Lane. Gunderson Lane. 01:33:24
Those lines were built by Salt Lake and they maintain them so when one of those lines break, we can give them a call and they come 01:33:27
out and. 01:33:30
And take care of fixing it. 01:33:34
And it works good for us and it's going great. 01:33:36
Our hope is someday that we can talk to them about replacing the lines. That would be really awesome. 01:33:39
But they keep maintaining themselves as long as they. 01:33:45
Take care of that where we're good with it. 01:33:48
The water that we have, we only have 4000 customers that we. 01:33:52
That we. 01:33:57
Deliver water to. 01:33:58
About 3000 of them are in holiday and 1000 are in Mill Creek. 01:34:00
The boundaries that were established for holiday water system. 01:34:06
Was Big Cottonwood Creek. 01:34:10
Highland Drive. 01:34:13
Mill Creek. Not the city line, but the Mill Creek. 01:34:15
And wander upper canal. 01:34:18
So we're contained within that area. 01:34:22
And our water supply. 01:34:25
A huge amount comes from Spring Creek. We have a water treatment plant up there. I'd love to have you come up and see it if you'd 01:34:28
like to check it out and see how the water's. 01:34:31
Processed and prepared for customers. 01:34:36
We also have 4 wells that. 01:34:39
During the summer months when people irrigate, we turn the wells on and that provides the additional water for everybody to water 01:34:41
their lawns and cemeteries and parks and such. 01:34:46
We and then of course we rely on that, that water delivery from Salt Lake. 01:34:51
And then they get to keep all the excess water that. 01:34:57
They don't deliver to us. 01:35:02
And it works out. Works out pretty good. 01:35:04
Our customers own us. 01:35:07
They all own shares in the company. 01:35:09
So with that they get. 01:35:12
We bill them quarterly. 01:35:16
And during the. 01:35:18
First and fourth quarter, which are the winter months. 01:35:21
They get 10,000 gallons of water for free they aren't charged for. 01:35:24
For those quarters and then in the summer quarters, the second and third quarters. 01:35:29
They get 20,000 gallons of water for free. 01:35:35
And then we go ahead and start building them. We also have a tiered. 01:35:38
Billing system so. 01:35:42
It's it's, we've changed it this past year. 01:35:45
But it's fairly liberal. I think if you looked at our rates, we don't really promote them or advertise them to anybody because the 01:35:49
only people we communicate with are our owners. 01:35:54
We don't tax them. We. 01:35:59
They just pay for our system. 01:36:02
We have 50 miles of pipe in the ground. We have a policy to try and replace a mile a year so. 01:36:04
Or not so we don't get stuck and have to rely on taxpayers and and funding to. 01:36:12
Replace the pipes when they break and when they get too old. So we're moving along pretty good. We're about halfway through 25 01:36:17
years into we've got another 25 years and then we'll have we'll start over. 01:36:22
Our when we have. 01:36:29
9 employees. 01:36:32
And we have about. 01:36:34
Five of them that four of them that work on a crew, they're the ones that go out and fix everything. 01:36:36
And we have two treatment operators that are at the plant making sure it works and we have three office staff. 01:36:42
2-3 office. 01:36:48
And our employees. 01:36:50
Half of them are over 60 years old and and. 01:36:54
Two of them have 45 years with the company and. 01:36:57
And I'm the youngest. 01:37:01
Of all of them with only six years. 01:37:03
So we do everything we can to keep them and employ them, and it'd be really nice to pay them enough to live up here. 01:37:05
But they all live within, you know, 20 minutes of holiday and so they're quick to respond. Our day crew is our night crew. 01:37:12
And they show up and as mentioned by some of the others. 01:37:19
When we have a line break, if they show up at. 01:37:24
2:00 in the morning. 01:37:27
They get down to it, they'll they'll turn the valves down, let the water flow through the line so people still have a little bit 01:37:28
of water. 01:37:32
But we don't have so much going down the road. 01:37:36
And one of the scariest things about holiday and and it. 01:37:39
It keeps me up at night. 01:37:43
Is the storm drain system and I love the fact that they're being replaced and the city's been awesome to work with because we have 01:37:45
certain. 01:37:48
Areas that are critical they they are prone to. 01:37:52
Flooding more than others in the city has been awesome with taking care of getting those. 01:37:56
As a high priority fix. 01:38:01
Have enjoyed working with Jared. He's he's good to work with. 01:38:03
I feel like we got to bend over backward a little bit to help him bend over backward and. 01:38:08
When we have a line break we try to get an asphalt at the same day we we fix it. 01:38:15
It's winter time is a tough time to get asphalt. 01:38:21
But we spend more and we keep a load of more expensive. 01:38:26
Asphalt that's designed to kind of be packed in and get the road back so we don't have the problems. 01:38:33
That occur one. 01:38:39
Dirt. You know when Rd. base is just sitting there and then gets driven over quite a bit. 01:38:41
So that's kind of how we operate. 01:38:45
And. 01:38:49
I don't know if I have anything else to say. If you have some questions, happy to answer them. 01:38:51
We got to come up with some questions. I'm just teasing that I think you're probably the only one. Leave it to me. I'll have a 01:38:58
few. That's all right. Bring it. It's OK. 01:39:03
I shouldn't even say this, but I'm going to how how did the name spelling of the name? Oh, sure, go holiday. Well, no one knew how 01:39:10
to spell it. I mean, look, John got called to go settle San Bernardino and so he took off and everybody else is kind of kept 01:39:15
growing their families here. 01:39:21
And and. 01:39:26
At the time and you even have pictures of them downstairs showing businesses with the eye in holiday, holiday service station and 01:39:28
other things like that. 01:39:32
So I think people just kind of went with what they thought they knew. I don't think it was until the 50's. The 1A genealogist came 01:39:37
along and said, well you know, on his tombstone it says, you know. 01:39:41
With an A. 01:39:46
While we're already incorporating, we want to go back. 01:39:48
Change everything and you know, so anyway, we sort of like it with the eye. I know a lot of people don't, but. 01:39:52
But we. 01:40:00
Fly stealth. We don't. 01:40:02
Promote a lot of things we don't share. Where our facilities are, we don't talk about. 01:40:03
Finances with anybody except for our shareholders and um. 01:40:08
And we just try and keep it. 01:40:12
As low low as we can. 01:40:14
So you don't want me to share right now how my rates change from when I moved 39 S to where I am? Go ahead. I'd love to hear it 01:40:16
actually. 01:40:20
I was on .6 acres and I spent in a. 01:40:24
There I spent in one. 01:40:27
Month in the summer what I spend in 1/4. 01:40:29
On .8 acres here so. 01:40:33
Was a substantial difference. 01:40:36
And I don't know if that's just the benefit of having. 01:40:38
You know. 01:40:41
Been a first. 01:40:42
Mover in being here, you know, and and and and I guess really it's just a. 01:40:43
It's a good. 01:40:47
Company for its members, I guess in the end. 01:40:48
Did I understand correctly that the whole system? 01:40:51
In theory is replaced every 50 years. That is that if you're if you're shooting for a mile a year. 01:40:53
Yeah, interesting. And when you said so, it's 4000. 01:40:58
Households is that or properties? Is that what it is total? OK, so 3000 how many do we have in? How many households are there in 01:41:02
holiday? 01:41:06
Just over 11,000 households 11,000. 01:41:10
And it's really 3000. 01:41:14
Households and businesses in holiday, we got 1000 in. So you're about 25% of holiday essentially is, is what you service then, 01:41:16
right? 01:41:19
OK. Tell us about your conservation efforts. Yeah. 01:41:24
Well, we, our shareholders. 01:41:27
We tell them. We give them tips. 01:41:30
On how to conserve energy. 01:41:33
And that's it. 01:41:34
What's the rationale for the free water? 01:41:39
Well, as I mentioned earlier on when we made the arrangement with. 01:41:42
Salt Lake City to process that water. We get 1,000,000 gallons of water coming in every day. 01:41:46
That that water's coming in doesn't cost us anything to process. And we're nonprofit. Our customers own us, so. 01:41:53
They get the water. 01:42:00
That's kind of how Alaskans don't they receive some type of oil stipend or something like that or? 01:42:01
Consistent benefit being here. 01:42:06
Yeah, similar. 01:42:09
Interesting. 01:42:16
Any other questions? 01:42:17
This is a question really for the group. Is there anything that water quality, is there anything that? 01:42:19
Shows you know. 01:42:24
How do we know? 01:42:27
I know that you can. 01:42:28
I'm sorry. 01:42:30
Enough annual reports on the on the water quality that but. 01:42:31
Is there anything? 01:42:34
That shows the comparison of like what matters when you know as far as the. 01:42:36
Yeah. 01:42:40
Yeah, well, we. 01:42:41
Even though we're privately owned, we are a public water system and so we're subject to the same. 01:42:43
Regulation through EPA and the Division of Drinking Water and. 01:42:49
And all those regulations, so all of us go through the same process as far as. 01:42:53
Meeting certain standards and we have to have the water test that we're testing weekly and we have to provide those results to the 01:42:58
state. 01:43:01
And and so, yes, then we provide those. 01:43:05
Load results in that angle and there's legal compliance, right? But then as far as knowing what the actual like? 01:43:08
Is is there any resource that? 01:43:14
Just, umm. 01:43:16
So that you know how good your water really is, I guess. As far as I don't know what. 01:43:18
The what? What the variables are that are considered? 01:43:22
Yeah, umm. 01:43:25
Well, we like to think taste is 1. 01:43:26
So we think it tastes better. 01:43:28
Especially out of the spring coming down through those. 01:43:31
Well down into Arbor. 01:43:35
Kentucky. 01:43:40
Boys, all those old areas of holiday. 01:43:42
But. 01:43:46
But as far as anything else goes, as long as you meet EPA standards and such as far as the. 01:43:47
Cleanliness of the water, that's. 01:43:54
Pretty much what's. 01:43:56
That's all this reported, essentially. 01:43:57
Yeah, OK. 01:43:59
All right. 01:44:05
Thank you. Thank you very much. 01:44:06
All right. 01:44:10
We reviewed Title 7 earlier. 01:44:12
Calendar. Is there anything else that we need to cover tonight? 01:44:15
I will take a motion to adjourn. Madam Mayor Bruton, I do adjourn. 01:44:19
Second, all in favor? 01:44:24
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Event transcript
All right. I want to thank everybody for coming out to Holiday City Council this evening. We're going to start with the Pledge of 00:00:00
Allegiance. 00:00:03
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:12
Of the United States of America. 00:00:14
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:16
One nation under God. 00:00:20
Indivisible. 00:00:22
With liberty and justice for. 00:00:23
As this is the anniversary of 911, we thought that it was appropriate to take just a moment of silence to remember. 00:00:31
Those that lost their lives. 00:00:40
In that event, the courage of the first responders and the families that have. 00:00:42
Continued on. 00:00:45
Since that time. 00:00:46
So we'd like to just have a moment of silence now. 00:00:48
Thank you. 00:00:50
Thank you. 00:01:06
For that. 00:01:08
Also I. 00:01:11
In light of. 00:01:13
Yesterday's. 00:01:15
Horrific murder at Utah Valley University. 00:01:16
I'd like to just make a statement. 00:01:20
That murder forces us to soberly confront the deep and growing political divide. 00:01:24
In our country. 00:01:29
Sincerely held political. 00:01:31
Beliefs exist across the political spectrum. 00:01:32
But when disagreement. 00:01:36
Causes us to strip away the humanity. 00:01:37
Of others. 00:01:40
And we start to believe that our ideas are more important. 00:01:41
Than another person's life. We are swimming in toxic waters. 00:01:44
And each of us plays a part in changing that. 00:01:48
Each of us. 00:01:51
Can do better at changing the way that we approach those with whom we disagree. 00:01:52
We choose how we speak to. 00:01:56
And about others. 00:01:59
Good and caring people who love their family. 00:02:00
And community and the world can have fundamentally different ideas. 00:02:04
About our society. 00:02:07
Than you and I do. 00:02:09
That is not a weakness of our system. 00:02:10
It is the blessing of living. 00:02:13
In a society that protects freedom of speech. 00:02:14
Religion. 00:02:17
And conscience. 00:02:18
I would like to invite all of us tonight to improve. 00:02:20
Together, we can stand for a political culture in which violence plays no part. 00:02:22
Thank you very much. 00:02:27
Now I'd like to open the meeting. 00:02:29
For public comment, any person wishing to address the council. 00:02:31
On any items that are not on the agenda otherwise. 00:02:35
We do so. 00:02:39
You can limit your comments to. 00:02:41
3 minutes. 00:02:43
Trudy can probably start us off and show everybody how it's done. 00:02:44
Trudy from the library. 00:02:52
1st, I just want to thank the community for the fantastic turn out at the Star Party. I don't know if any of you were there but. 00:02:54
We nearly doubled the attendance from last year. It was. 00:03:00
Hopping it was great. 00:03:04
Um, this Saturday we're going to be hosting our first fall series, the Tree Talk, with the Holiday Tree Committee. 00:03:07
On Monday the 16th, one of our very popular programs that has been on hiatus called Crafter Space will be back on at 6:30 PM. 00:03:13
But the big party for September is going to be on September 20th from 3:00 PM to 5:00 PM. 00:03:22
You probably didn't know it was Western month, but it is. 00:03:27
And so we will be having a Western party. You can come watch the Dazzle Dogs perform. I don't know what that means, but it sounds 00:03:30
great. 00:03:33
And then you could paint a bandana for your pet or yourself. 00:03:38
And there are some cool photo OPS being planned. 00:03:42
The beginning of October the 6th through the 11th is Freedom to Read Week. 00:03:45
Which we love at the library, so there'll be fun little bits all week long. But we're going to kick it off with a read in at the 00:03:50
library from noon to 8:00 PM so you can bring a book and a blanket and get cozy. 00:03:55
And it's kind of a come and go as you please sort of event, so. 00:04:00
Come and do that and we have some light refreshments going on. We'll have a blood drive on the 8th. 00:04:04
Will be closed on October 13th. 00:04:09
For a staff development day. 00:04:12
And then Tuesday and Wednesday, October 14th and 15th, we're partnering with Adult and Aging Services. 00:04:14
To offer a class on dealing with dementia. It's two classes that are two hours each from 1:00 to 3:00. 00:04:21
And. 00:04:27
Pre registration is required, but it's a It's a really fantastic class for those who are. 00:04:28
Are helping their. 00:04:33
Their loved ones with dementia. 00:04:34
And then we'll have an artist reception later in the evening on the 15th from 7:00 to 8:30. 00:04:36
You can come enjoy some refreshments and meet photographer Preston Norris, whose art will be being displayed at the time. 00:04:41
And that's what's going on at the library. 00:04:47
Any question? 00:04:49
Comments. Hey, Greg, Thank you. Thank you. 00:04:52
Anybody else for public comment? 00:04:56
Ron Hilton, 2394 E Murray Holiday Rd. 00:05:06
I actually am here by mistake. 00:05:10
I thought this was going to be. 00:05:13
The Dinwiddie house. 00:05:15
That's next week, apparently. 00:05:16
And so I was here for that. 00:05:18
But as long as I'm here. 00:05:20
I noticed one of the items is vacating part of the right away. 00:05:22
On Arbor Lane, I'm pretty sure I know what that part is. It's kind of on the corner. 00:05:26
Makes sense? 00:05:30
But. 00:05:32
Apparently. 00:05:34
So a few months ago. 00:05:35
Actually earlier on towards the beginning of this year. 00:05:37
We had proposed some. 00:05:41
Changes to Murray Holiday Rd. 00:05:42
And I recently learned that. 00:05:44
Apparently the Council was under the impression that we were seeking to vacate. 00:05:47
Part of the right away and I just wanted to. 00:05:52
Clarify that was never the case. It was repurposing. 00:05:54
Part of the right way. 00:05:57
You know, for parking in the sidewalk, but not. 00:05:59
Reducing if anything. 00:06:01
You know, we still. 00:06:03
Or offer of the. 00:06:06
Property there. 00:06:09
Our property as a private. 00:06:10
It's private property. 00:06:12
As a public park is still on the table. 00:06:13
And so if anything, we want to give more land to the city, not take away. 00:06:17
From the city. 00:06:21
Anyway, I'm not going to stay for the rest of the meeting, but. 00:06:21
Since I'm here, I thought I would comment on that. 00:06:24
Thank you. 00:06:26
Thank you. Thank you very much. 00:06:28
Anybody else for public comment? 00:06:34
All right, seeing as there is none, we'll close public comment moving to Item 4 on the agenda consideration of four Ordinance 00:06:39
2025. 00:06:43
16 Vacating a certain portion of the right of way on Arbor Lane. 00:06:47
We've discussed this in previous meetings. I don't know if anybody on the council has any. 00:06:52
Questions or? 00:06:56
Concerns. 00:06:58
All right, we'll take a motion. 00:07:00
Let's see, go have it up here. 00:07:03
Yes, Mayor Pro Tem. 00:07:07
I would move that we approve. 00:07:09
Ordinance 202516 vacating a certain portion of right away on Harbor Lane. 00:07:12
2nd. 00:07:18
All right, I have a motion in a second. 00:07:19
Councilmember Brewer. 00:07:21
Councilmember Durham. 00:07:23
Yes, Councilmember Fotteringham. Yes. 00:07:24
Councilmember. 00:07:26
Yes and chair votes yes. 00:07:27
OK. 00:07:29
All right. I'm 5 on the agenda consideration of Resolution 2025-23 providing for our creation of a. 00:07:31
Local building authority. 00:07:38
By the City Council. 00:07:40
The City of Holiday and related matters. 00:07:41
This has to do. 00:07:44
With a bond that we need to. 00:07:47
Go out for. 00:07:49
In order to. 00:07:50
Pay to seismically upgrade this building and then also to. 00:07:53
Build a park. 00:07:59
On. 00:07:59
Elementary property? Any other any questions about? 00:08:01
This. 00:08:05
In the Council we need to have to do any review. 00:08:06
About his purpose. 00:08:10
We have Bond Council and our financial advisor both present if you have more specific questions or just want an overview. 00:08:12
Oh, I thought it was distance. We have a crowd here. 00:08:20
A brief overview so we're not glossing over. 00:08:24
Most of the times we don't have the size of a crowd and. 00:08:27
I don't want to have anyone. 00:08:30
Think we're going to? 00:08:31
Gloss over but. 00:08:32
Anyway, my understanding. 00:08:33
Is primarily the building authority allows us to retain. 00:08:35
A measure of flexibility. 00:08:39
With regard to how we issue the bond. 00:08:41
Particularly with regard to, not to. 00:08:44
Retain flexibility. 00:08:46
For expansion of scope, but rather retention of flexibility in case there's. 00:08:48
Revenues don't come in as projected and we can shift around a little bit as needed as. 00:08:53
Is that a? 00:08:57
So under Utah law, there are several ways that cities can choose to finance their projects. So one of the things that. 00:08:58
My role as your producer is to watch out what's what's best for the city. 00:09:06
But not just what's best for today, but what's best for the. 00:09:10
You know, longer view. 00:09:13
And so the. 00:09:15
The two likely candidates of ways that this could be financed is with a pledge of sales tax bonds, with a pledge of your sales and 00:09:17
or franch. 00:09:21
Revenues. 00:09:26
Or actually using a local building authority. 00:09:28
Which is a legal structure that I'll have Garrett explain. I can do like the Peter Thai, just, you know. 00:09:31
High school version. You can give you a more detailed version and probably cite state code. 00:09:37
But the structure of a local building authority works very similar to a home mortgage. So the building itself, the park itself, 00:09:43
will act as a security to the bondholders. You won't be pledging sales tax, you won't be pledging property tax. 00:09:51
Now the interest rates a little bit higher. So you say Laura, why? Why did you recommend that? Well, the, the after, you know, 00:09:59
discussion with the council. 00:10:03
It was determined because of other projects you have coming down the road you have needs for some large Rd. reconstruction. 00:10:07
And you know, if you put on like, you're the bond. 00:10:14
Purchaser hat for a moment. 00:10:17
If you're going to have security in a physical. 00:10:19
Facility Would you rather have a City Hall? 00:10:22
Or a Rd. 00:10:25
Oh, you probably want City Hall, right? 00:10:27
So it makes logical sense to do City Hall because it's essential purpose the bond markets like that. 00:10:29
That retains your capacity to pledge sales tax and franchise tax revenues to those other bonds like like a Rd. 00:10:35
So that was the the rationale what you're creating a local building authority is an actual nonprofit. 00:10:43
The city will have the right every year to determine whether it's going to make the lease payment or not make the lease payment. 00:10:50
Not dissimilar to a home mortgage. If you make your house payment, what happens at the end of all those payments? Yeah, it's your 00:10:57
house. If you don't make the house payment, it becomes the bank's house. So it's similar structure. 00:11:03
High level for your for you and your constituents to. 00:11:11
Grasp pretty easily. 00:11:14
Now you can talk about the. 00:11:15
Local building. 00:11:17
Yeah. So expanding on what Laura said, yeah, the local building authority is an entity that's created. 00:11:19
And and required by state law. 00:11:25
Under what we call the the Local Government Bonding Act, as well as. 00:11:28
The Local Building Authority Act. 00:11:32
That is an entity that's basically created as an alter ego of the city. 00:11:35
To conduct these, it's a not-for-profit to conduct these types of activities, these types of financing and construction of. 00:11:40
Project type activities and so. 00:11:48
Unfortunately, the state law required every state is different in how it allows for this mechanism, but most states do allow it. 00:11:51
And in Utah? 00:11:58
The case law as well as now the state statutes require it to be done through what we call this local ability authority or this 00:12:00
this entity, it's, it's essentially a not-for-profit. The the board of trustees of this entity is, is basically the governing 00:12:06
board of the city. 00:12:12
And and it really. 00:12:19
Can't do much of anything without the approval of the of the city, the City Council as well so. 00:12:21
It's just. 00:12:28
How the state statutes require? 00:12:29
When you allow for this type of flexibility where you're not pledging a specific. 00:12:32
Set of Rev or sort of set of revenues or sales tax or something that's very narrowly tailored. 00:12:37
That's how the statutes or you don't have an election, a bonding election, which can. 00:12:44
Be very, very challenging. 00:12:49
And time consuming and expensive. 00:12:52
That's what the statutes require. 00:12:55
So I don't know if that helps but. 00:12:57
I appreciate that, yeah. 00:13:00
So one other thing that might. 00:13:02
Might be helpful to know is the building authority actually is where the? 00:13:04
The assets, if you will, stay. 00:13:09
And then they are leased to the city. The city makes payments to the building authority. 00:13:12
Building authority makes payment to the bondholders. 00:13:17
So the interest rate. 00:13:22
Elevation is is because we're not. 00:13:23
Pledging specific revenues. 00:13:26
But we do pledge. 00:13:27
Collateral, uh. 00:13:29
The hard assets, yes, and because you have the right every year. 00:13:30
Technically you have the right. I hope you don't. 00:13:34
But you exercise that right, but you have the right every year to not make the least payment. Yeah. So it's subject to what they 00:13:36
call subject annual appropriation. So there's a little bit more risk to that type of bond. Not often have local governments not 00:13:41
made lease payments, but it has happened. 00:13:46
Not in Utah. 00:13:51
Right, but our primary objective here was to. 00:13:52
To create some flexibility with regard to. 00:13:55
Dealing with future. 00:13:58
Capital projects that are not as easily. 00:13:59
Bondable in a similar fashion. 00:14:03
Absolutely. 00:14:04
Gotcha, good. 00:14:05
Any questions? 00:14:08
Thank you. 00:14:10
Madam Chair. 00:14:11
I'll just make one point really clearly there is some discussion about the collateral that could be pledged to secure bonds. 00:14:13
And there was a note that we would secure that with City Hall. 00:14:19
And they also mentioned the park. 00:14:22
We will not be securing with the property. 00:14:24
Of the park. 00:14:27
But with the city's leasehold interest. 00:14:28
Just want to make that clear for that I had a question about this. So what is the collateral for that? 00:14:31
It's all one bond. 00:14:36
And you're using City Hall as the primary asset, with the leasehold interest the city holds in the park, but not the ground 00:14:38
itself. 00:14:40
OK. But Todd, it is? 00:14:44
All the ground here though, is. 00:14:46
Is that correct? Right. 00:14:47
Yes. 00:14:49
Any other? 00:14:52
And one clarification on that too is that. 00:14:58
It's it's a the pledge of the collateral is a leasehold pledge. So if the in in the event that the. 00:15:02
Authority were to not appropriate on those payments. It's not as if there would be a fork. 00:15:08
It's like a foreclosure, but it wouldn't be a traditional foreclosure where the assets are essentially sold off. 00:15:13
You know to creditors, but essentially it would just be a foreclosure where. 00:15:19
The trustee comes in and. 00:15:25
Basically subleases the property. 00:15:27
For the remainder of the lease term. 00:15:30
And and tries to recoup what it can in terms of lease payments. 00:15:32
Through the end of that lease term. 00:15:38
So just so you're clear, it's. 00:15:40
For the record, for the bondholders, we intend to make our payments. 00:15:42
We're talking about, right? 00:15:47
Head of append scenario, but just just pointing out that legal technical difference that that it did it is slightly different. 00:15:48
On that front. 00:15:55
If we're ready. 00:15:59
Motion. Madam Mayor Pro Tem, I move approval of Resolution 2025-23 providing for the creation of a local building authority. 00:16:00
By the City Council and the City of Holiday and related matters. 00:16:06
2nd. 00:16:10
I have a motion in a second Council member, Brewer. 00:16:11
Yes, Councilmember Durham. Yes, Councilmember Fotheringham. Yes. 00:16:13
Councilmember Quinn. 00:16:17
Yes and chair votes yes. 00:16:18
All right, City Manager report. 00:16:20
Nothing for me this evening. 00:16:24
Thank you. 00:16:26
All right, Council reports and district issues. 00:16:27
Drew, how about we start with you? 00:16:31
OK, so it has been a busy week. A week ago I was able to go and help celebrate. 00:16:32
60 years. 00:16:41
Of Churchill Junior High, it was 60 years ago. 00:16:43
This year, that Churchill started. 00:16:46
Educating students and has done a wonderful job. It was a it was a very nice evening. 00:16:49
And yesterday we had really a. 00:16:54
Historic event here on holiday. 00:17:01
You are probably familiar with the Holiday Bank and Trust on Murray Holiday Rd. 00:17:05
It was. 00:17:10
Purchased. 00:17:11
By Redemption Holdings. 00:17:12
Out of Atlanta and will now be known as Redemption Bank. 00:17:14
This will be the first black-owned bank in the Mountain West. 00:17:18
And it was quite a. 00:17:23
Quite a celebration. Doctor Bernice King, the youngest daughter of Martin Luther King, was there and spoke and helped cut the 00:17:25
ribbon. 00:17:29
It was, it made me feel so good because. 00:17:36
The several of the people that spoke who had been in on this process, which has really taken close to four years. 00:17:40
Talked about the. 00:17:47
Support not only of people in all of Utah, but. 00:17:49
But people here at Holiday. 00:17:53
One gentleman talked about. 00:17:55
He was used to. 00:17:57
Going into boardrooms. 00:17:59
And sitting down and talking with potential investors. 00:18:00
Instead. 00:18:04
He said that the Huntsman family. 00:18:05
Invited him to their home and they sat and ate sandwiches at the Huntsman's kitchen table. 00:18:07
While they talked about. 00:18:13
This endeavor. 00:18:15
Huntsman's Garf Sorensen's Eccles. The Miller Family. 00:18:17
And others have all. 00:18:22
Many of whom are holiday. 00:18:24
Residents are all. 00:18:26
Investors in this great work. 00:18:29
Redemption Bank is going to be the only bank that has an on site. 00:18:35
Office. 00:18:41
And so it will be huge for small businesses. 00:18:42
Here in Utah and around the Mountain West. 00:18:45
And they emphasized that this group is dedicated to economic equality. So. 00:18:47
It's really. 00:18:54
Really a great thing for holiday. 00:18:56
Speaking of anniversaries, I also attended an anniversary, but it was 70 years. 00:19:02
But it was my parents wedding anniversary. 00:19:06
They're 89 now. 00:19:10
But regarding to, we had a couple of issues. Wanted to thank Chief Hoyle and our UPD team. 00:19:13
We had. 00:19:19
At a typical beginning of the school year traffic issue down near the Waldorf school. 00:19:20
Where there was some. 00:19:26
Issues of using. 00:19:28
Adjacent private property for. 00:19:30
Parking and drop off but. 00:19:32
The chief and his team were able to monitor that situation and and. 00:19:34
Make everybody. 00:19:38
Happy SO. 00:19:40
Which is always a good thing. Related to that. Well, not related to that, but it's separate incident had hidden that it was. 00:19:41
Apartments. 00:19:46
We had a gun related incident which caused some. 00:19:47
Concern and worry of a particular. 00:19:53
Renter. 00:19:57
That. 00:19:59
Well, I'm going into the details, but it caused some consternation from a young mother. 00:20:02
And but the chief was able to. 00:20:06
Layout the history of the event and and calm that. 00:20:09
A renter down and with with the appropriate context of the. 00:20:13
Fluidity of the situation, but it just I want to thank Chief Hoyle for the professionalism and. 00:20:17
And care and compassion with which he was able to deliver that message and. 00:20:24
Calm. 00:20:30
Voter. 00:20:34
Citizen Resident. 00:20:35
In that situation. 00:20:37
Related at Hidden Meadows, I just wanted to keep some genius. Not here, but. 00:20:39
There's still the issue of the catwalk in Hidden Meadows and I wanted to continue to pursue. 00:20:44
Options there. 00:20:49
I understand. 00:20:50
Todd, that there's some issue of? 00:20:51
Who owns that catwalk going out the back? 00:20:53
And so as a result. 00:20:56
There may be some. 00:20:58
Headache and heartache. 00:21:01
In order to get to a resolution there. 00:21:02
But I wanted to continue mentioning. 00:21:04
Keep it on the radar until we. 00:21:06
Can kind of. 00:21:07
Find a resolution there, one way or another. 00:21:08
Also thanks, Jared for Lakewood Dr. That's a. 00:21:11
Road in my neighborhood so. 00:21:15
I might. 00:21:16
Not be yelled at. 00:21:18
Neighbors are happy. 00:21:21
In the Lakewood area. 00:21:22
That's all I have. 00:21:24
Thank you. 00:21:25
Just a couple. 00:21:28
From the tree committee. 00:21:29
On September 20th. 00:21:33
The Tree Committee will be planning an anniversary tree in honor of Holidays 25th anniversary. 00:21:35
And. 00:21:41
So there will be information going on about that, but. 00:21:42
Thanks to John for helping us locate find a location and. 00:21:45
Workout. 00:21:48
The logistics on that. 00:21:49
And then on October 11th. 00:21:51
We'll be planning another tree. 00:21:53
This time to honor Travis. 00:21:55
Jones, who was a long time. 00:21:57
Holiday resident and. 00:21:59
Member of the Tree Committee and. 00:22:01
Chair of the Tree committee. 00:22:03
He's moved to Oregon but will be back to visit and to see. 00:22:04
The planting of this tree and that will be another fun event. I think that. 00:22:09
It's going to be a little bit. 00:22:11
Of a smaller event, but anybody who's interested in attending that to see. 00:22:13
Travis and honor him is certainly welcome. 00:22:17
That's all. 00:22:20
Thank you. 00:22:21
OK. 00:22:22
As far as the Historical Commission is concerned, this. 00:22:24
Speaker Series. 00:22:27
Continues. And on the 22nd it's the Monday night. 00:22:28
I think it's the fourth Monday here in September at 7:00 PM here at the City Hall. 00:22:32
Paul Reeve will be speaking at his. 00:22:39
Talk is entitled this abominable slavery in it. 00:22:41
He'll be talking about. 00:22:44
The origins of slavery in Utah? Kind of. 00:22:45
Pre civil war kind of a thing and. 00:22:47
I was just going to read this one piece that says traces. Let's see including holidays on Howell family. 00:22:51
Descendants of enslaved people who built lives of faith here despite. 00:22:57
Exclusion So. 00:23:00
I guess on the tail. 00:23:02
Of you know what Paul was discussing. This is an interesting topic, but. 00:23:03
Nice to see where we are today. 00:23:08
Versus then right. 00:23:10
Thank you. 00:23:11
I I don't have anything to report. 00:23:13
This week, yeah. 00:23:15
So I think. 00:23:18
We can take a motion and recess. 00:23:20
Council until work meeting. 00:23:22
Mayor Pro Tem I move adjourn City Council meeting and reconvene in a work meeting I understand we're. 00:23:23
Staying here? Yeah, we're staying here. 00:23:29
2nd. 00:23:31
Our motion is second. All in favor, aye. 00:23:32
All right, we are now in a work meeting. 00:23:35
So this evening we have. 00:23:40
All of the water service. 00:23:44
Entities that service different areas of holiday would kind of have a conglomerate. 00:23:46
Entities that serve us, that come to talk about. 00:23:55
What they're doing in our city, I don't know, Gina, the order that you had. 00:23:59
Set up for them, but. 00:24:03
I'd like to. I hope we could start with a map that kind of explains those boundary areas. 00:24:05
And then I think we'll have Jordan Valley Water Conservancy. 00:24:11
OK. 00:24:16
I think we have your slides. 00:24:19
I think we'll display the map 1st. 00:24:22
Let you look at it and then move to. 00:24:25
That presentation. 00:24:28
All right, so. 00:25:13
I'm sure you'll hear about the number of residents I believe it is. 00:25:25
Is less than 1000. 00:25:30
The peak area. 00:25:36
Of our city is served. 00:25:37
Buy holiday water and warfare concern Shepherd. 00:25:40
In a bit and then. 00:25:44
White Area is Salt Lake City Public Utilities and we'll be hearing from them as well. 00:25:46
So with that I will turn the time over to. 00:25:52
Terry yes. 00:25:58
All right. Thank you for the opportunity to talk to you a little bit today. 00:26:01
Jordan Valley? Yep. 00:26:05
It's like Stephanie over here. 00:26:50
All right. My name is Giselle Terry. I'm the assistant General Manager with Jordan Valley Water. 00:27:00
Currently. 00:27:06
Overseeing operations and maintenance for the most part. 00:27:08
And then, like I said, I'm happy. 00:27:12
Let's talk to you a little bit today. 00:27:14
Dern Valley. 00:27:16
Is primarily a wholesale water agency. We have 17 member agencies that we wholesale to. It's about 90% of our deliveries. 00:27:17
And then we have. 00:27:24
About 8000 retail connections and obviously some of those are here in holiday and that's about 10% of our deliveries. 00:27:26
For the the number of connections on holiday we have. 00:27:34
Just about 300. 00:27:38
Give or take a little bit, that's connections. So you're correct. Populations probably just, you know, around 1000 or just below 00:27:40
that. 00:27:43
As far as our kind of our infrastructure, we have 3 water treatment plants. 00:27:48
We have our largest water treatment plant, which is the largest water treatment plant in the state. 00:27:52
That's in Harriman. It's. 00:27:56
Can treat 180 million gallons a day. 00:27:58
We are in the process of expanding that plant and I'll talk a little bit more about that when I talk about some of our. 00:28:00
Capital improvements. 00:28:05
We also have. 00:28:07
Achiever Plant, Sandy and a tree of plant that's at our headquarters site in West Jordan. 00:28:08
In addition to that, we also have about 40 groundwater water wells and then we also purchase some water from. 00:28:12
Other entities. 00:28:18
That bring water in. 00:28:20
Our sources are primarily the Central Utah project, which is comes from the Provo River system, so. 00:28:21
Jordanelle Reservoir, Deer Creek Reservoir. 00:28:26
And then also the Provo River project, that's where we get most of our our surface water from. In addition, we do get a little bit 00:28:29
from. 00:28:32
The mountain streams that are South of Little Cottonwood Creek. 00:28:35
So there are some sources there. 00:28:38
So that's just a little bit about Jordan. 00:28:42
This next slide. 00:28:44
Kind of shows a little bit more on the map that you looked at in terms of just holiday and the portion that we serve. 00:28:46
So as you can see, that darker portion is the retail portion. 00:28:57
Originally, when the district was set up in 1951, we were. 00:29:01
Our mission was to serve unincorporated counter county areas in in Salt Lake County and. 00:29:05
So that was our mission. So we do have some pockets of retail. For the most part, those have been annexed into various cities, but 00:29:11
we do still have. 00:29:15
Several, you know, like I said about 8000 connections that are just these little pockets here and there. 00:29:19
And over the course of of. 00:29:24
Time we have. 00:29:26
You know, some of those have been. 00:29:27
Annexed into other. 00:29:29
Other, you know, jurisdictions and things like that, but there are still some that are remaining. 00:29:31
So how we ended up with this? 00:29:35
This portion of retail is. 00:29:39
Primarily because of Castum and Dry Creek Springs in the 1960s. 00:29:42
The district was young and we really had no water supply. We were purchasing most of our water supply from Metropolitan Water 00:29:46
District in Salt Lake and Sandy. 00:29:49
And they had water coming from Deer Creek Reservoir, but we were looking to shore up our own water sources. And so we were looking 00:29:53
at purchasing all of the shares and buying out basically the Casto Springs Irrigation Company on the Deer Creek Irrigation 00:29:59
Company. And part of that deal was that we would then provide the infrastructure and provide water to those, you know, those 00:30:04
people that were. 00:30:10
Part of the irrigation company and so. 00:30:16
That's how we ended up serving this area of. 00:30:18
Of holiday we. 00:30:21
Use those springs. For several years we chlorinated them and put them into the system. 00:30:24
And we were. 00:30:29
Merrily going along our way. And then there were some changes in drinking water regulations. 00:30:30
And the water was determined to be under the influence of surface water, so it required additional treatment, which we didn't have 00:30:35
the facilities to do at the time. 00:30:39
And so we actually stopped using those sources and. 00:30:44
Began buying water from Metropolitan Water District and that's currently what's serving those areas. 00:30:47
And I'll talk a little bit more about some. 00:30:53
Some upcoming changes to to that. 00:30:55
Next slide. 00:30:58
So part of. 00:31:07
I believe is one of the things that you wanted to know is just to talk a little bit about our water rates. 00:31:09
We do have. 00:31:15
Extremely low water rates, especially for our retail area. 00:31:16
And you can see there that we try and keep a low base charge, which is and then we have our tiers set up by. 00:31:20
In 4 tiers, and those are based upon meter size. I know there's some places that do that by acreage. There's different methods for 00:31:27
doing that, but we've chosen to do that on meter size. 00:31:32
The way that that is. 00:31:37
Designed is that. 00:31:38
For, say, in the summer when someone's using their peak water usage. 00:31:40
They should be able to. 00:31:45
Most people if they're watering. 00:31:46
Moderately efficiently, they should be able to stay inter two or three. 00:31:48
If they are watering what we would consider to be excessive and more than you know. 00:31:53
They need based upon their meter size they will go into that Tier 4. 00:31:57
So our our rate structure is designed to encourage conservation and that's something that we continually look at. We typically do 00:32:01
rate updates. 00:32:05
Every year or every other year just to make sure that we're staying on top of of what those rates should be and we're currently in 00:32:10
the process of. 00:32:14
Of doing a rate study right now. 00:32:18
Next slide, just to talk a little bit about capital improvements. 00:32:21
This is our 10 year capital improvement plan. 00:32:25
You can see that for the next 4 fiscal years, we we have are going into an intense period of capital. 00:32:27
Spending. 00:32:34
There's some notable projects that we are doing and we're looking at bonding for about $230 million over the next four years. 00:32:36
Half of that is to expand our largest water treatment plant from 180 million gallons per day to 2:55. 00:32:43
And that is just in order to keep up with demand and. 00:32:50
Mostly with the growth that's in the southwest portion of Salt Lake County, Herriman Riverton. 00:32:54
South Jordan. West Jordan. 00:32:58
And additional projects that are kind of part of that is we in order to. 00:33:00
Get that additional capacity out of the treatment plant, We're putting in a redundant aqueduct that's leaving the treatment plant 00:33:06
to serve that SW portion. That's our southwest aqueduct. 00:33:10
And then we are continuing to develop our groundwater sources, putting in about 3. 00:33:15
We're drilling 3 new wells. 00:33:20
To put in and then we've also got 2 new reservoirs going in, in a booster station. So those are the. 00:33:22
Things that we're looking at in the next few years. 00:33:26
In terms of how we prioritize our projects and kind of what we decide, basically it's based upon our master planning, which we try 00:33:30
to do a comprehensive master plan at least every 10 years and then update accordingly depending. 00:33:36
Sometimes it's. 00:33:43
Two years. Sometimes it's five years, depending on just kind of what's going on. We are. 00:33:44
Updating one that's just two years old because we have some large developments that are coming in in terms of the point. 00:33:48
And Draper, and then also some. 00:33:54
Kennecott, Lance. 00:33:57
So we're updating that and then just based upon what we need in terms of infrastructure to, you know, continue to make the 00:33:58
deliveries. 00:34:01
That our member agencies are requiring that kind of prioritizes our. 00:34:04
Our capital improvements plan. 00:34:08
Next slide. 00:34:09
Lastly, I just want to kind of finish up with some of our conservation goals and programs. 00:34:11
The district really got serious about conservation in 2000. 00:34:16
And we've really been kind of on the leading edge of that ever since we have. 00:34:20
Looked at conservation as a as essentially a way to develop a new water source. Anything that we can. 00:34:24
Save in terms of water that delays. 00:34:30
Those projects. 00:34:32
You know, until the future. 00:34:34
That plant expansion that I just talked about. 00:34:36
Was originally. 00:34:38
Planned for the year 2000. So we've been able to put off that plant. 00:34:40
Expansion for 25 years just because of the amount of water we've been able to conserve. So we feel like right now we can still 00:34:45
conserve water and the money we put into that is still cheaper than developing new sources. 00:34:50
Next slide. 00:34:57
So our conservation is essentially A3 pronged approach. We look at education incentives and then structural or regulatory changes. 00:34:58
Next slide. 00:35:06
This is our conservation garden park, which is one of the first things that we embarked on again back in 2000. 00:35:08
And. 00:35:14
We knew that if we were expecting. 00:35:15
The residents and our customers, to conserve water, we had to give them some tools to know how to do it. It isn't necessarily 00:35:17
intuitive for everyone to know how they can conserve water. 00:35:22
About 60%. 00:35:26
Of water's outdoor use that's starting to come down. 00:35:29
As we, you know, continue to work on conservation, but. 00:35:32
That's really where. 00:35:36
We've got the biggest opportunity to make changes. 00:35:37
Next slide. 00:35:40
And that's located in West Jordan at our headquarters site and you can visit. We've done several expansions over the years just as 00:35:42
we've added things. 00:35:46
One of the things we added was this is our local scapes. 00:35:50
Exhibit. 00:35:53
And again, even though we have the garden, it was kind of hard for people to envision what does that look like at my house? 00:35:54
So we basically built a kind of mock house and then showed them how they could install local scapes, which you may or may not be. 00:36:00
Familiar with? It's basically a. 00:36:06
You know, you know. 00:36:08
You're probably familiar with xeriscape, but a lot of times when people hear that, they think. 00:36:08
Rocks and skulls and. 00:36:12
Cactus, and that's not what we want here in Utah. It's not what we have here in Utah. And so Local Scapes was designed to really 00:36:14
show people that they could have a green and beautiful yard while still saving a substantial amount of water. 00:36:20
Next slide. 00:36:26
We have lots of free classes all throughout the year. 00:36:27
And we typically get a route between. 00:36:31
35 and 38,000 visitors to our garden park every year. 00:36:34
And we have. 00:36:38
About 40 in person classes every year. 00:36:40
And lots of our classes are now moving online and so we we have 10s of thousands of people that attend our online classes as well. 00:36:43
Also for incentives in terms of our conservation programs. 00:36:51
These are our three main pillars. The 1st 2 are pretty self-explanatory. We do rebates for. 00:36:55
Water efficient toilets and for smart sprinkler controllers and then our landscape incentives is really where the bulk of our 00:36:59
effort is. 00:37:03
Next slide. 00:37:07
Right now we are giving $3 per square foot. 00:37:09
In a rebate for any lawn that is taken out. 00:37:12
And replaced with water wise landscaping we have. 00:37:16
Some criteria so you can't just take out any lawn and put whatever you want there there has to, you know, has to meet the criteria 00:37:19
but. 00:37:22
We're really looking at not getting rid of all on. We're looking to get rid of non functional turf. There's a lot of turf that's 00:37:26
in people's yards and just in commercial spaces that nobody's using, nobody walks on except to mow it. And that's really what 00:37:32
we're trying to look at because it's a, it's essentially a large reservoir where we can save a lot of water by putting in. 00:37:38
Water wise landscaping. 00:37:44
So here's our website. You can go to Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District JWC d.gov/conservation. 00:37:47
And those buttons across the bottom will take you to those various conservation things. 00:37:54
Water Utah water savers is one of the most universal in terms of all incentives and anybody in the. 00:38:00
County can. 00:38:06
Put in their address and it will let them know what. 00:38:07
Incentive programs, they're available for their specific location and it will give them all the information in order to sign up 00:38:10
for those rebates. 00:38:13
That is all I have unless anyone has any questions. 00:38:18
So I had said earlier to maybe save questions to the end, but I think it makes more sense to ask them now. I can ask if I could. 00:38:21
This is great and by the way, I've been to that. 00:38:29
Conservancy, what did you like? 00:38:32
Garden Observation garden. Conservation Garden. 00:38:33
And if there's maybe some of you probably have, it's really cool. 00:38:35
I had. 00:38:40
Questions the. 00:38:41
First of all, size wise. 00:38:43
How do you compare for? Mostly I'm just. 00:38:45
Interested amongst? 00:38:48
Three of you, you know. 00:38:49
How you yours is quite large, obviously, right? Yeah. 00:38:50
We we deliver about 115,000 acre feet a year. 00:38:55
We serve a population of about 750,000 if you look at wholesale. 00:39:01
Some of our wholesale agencies have their some of their own sources and wells that they supplement and then there's others like 00:39:05
West Jordan or Bluffdale that were their sole source. 00:39:09
But but yeah, I, I do believe in terms of. 00:39:13
It's probably a toss up and there's some differences between US and Central Utah Water Conservancy District, but there's really 00:39:16
four large water Conservancy districts in the state. There's us we were based in that serves Davis and Weber. 00:39:22
Central Utah, that's primarily Utah County, but we do take a lot of central Utah water and then Washington County down at Saint 00:39:27
George. 00:39:30
And then you've got Metropolitan Water District that wholesalers to Salt Lake and Sandy, they're also fairly large. And then of 00:39:34
course, Salt Lake City's got a large. 00:39:38
Got it. So you're massive. Really. Yeah. 00:39:41
Yeah. 00:39:43
So with these 300 and some odd. 00:39:45
That are here on holiday then. 00:39:47
So. 00:39:49
I get that it originated from the 60s and all of that. 00:39:50
Is it likely that that will? 00:39:52
Continue in perpetuity or. 00:39:54
You know, we've approached holiday and Salt Lake City a couple times about, you know, if they want to take over that water system. 00:39:56
There's obviously some logistics to doing now. There's some difference in rates and you know, sometimes it's just a timing issue. 00:40:01
We actually were having some internal discussions that maybe it's time to have that conversation again. 00:40:06
One of the things that when we started taking water from Metropolitan in order to serve those areas because we couldn't use Castle 00:40:12
Springs anymore. 00:40:16
Was that there's there's a surcharge on top of that because. 00:40:21
It's, you know, you're in a different pressure zone and so we were getting charged for Metro. We had to pass that along to those 00:40:25
customers and so they pay a little bit higher rate than our other retail customers. 00:40:29
But one of the things I forgot to mention and thanks for your question because it reminded me. 00:40:34
We actually got a grant, a $3,000,000 grant, and we are actually putting a treatment process on those Castle Springs. 00:40:38
So that we can then move those back into our system and no longer. 00:40:44
Need to you know. 00:40:48
Buy water from Metro to serve those areas. So that should reduce the rate. But again, I think there's an opportunity. 00:40:49
One, obviously if you guys would be happy to probably get to 1 water supplier and not have three different, you know, hodgepodge 00:40:55
systems serving your your residents, but no, that's not something that has to go forth in perpetuity We generally. 00:41:02
In our actual bylaws. 00:41:10
We have a mission to. 00:41:13
To try and get to where we're just a wholesale agency, we just think it it. 00:41:14
Smart to do that. It's strange to have these little pockets places. We're happy to continue to serve those areas, but it makes it 00:41:18
difficult for residents. The person across the street, you know, gets their water from somebody else. It's difficult for cities. 00:41:23
And so that's something we're happy to. 00:41:27
Have a conversation about Yeah. 00:41:32
Thanks and sorry I have so many questions and. 00:41:34
Call me Mr. 20 questions if you want to, but but I do have more. 00:41:36
So on your rates though, I'm curious, does that take into account lot size and things like that at all or is it? 00:41:40
Now what we do is a lot of places do it by lot size, but one of the the. 00:41:46
Problems that people have is you might have a lot, quarter acre lot, that's all long. 00:41:51
And you might have 1/4 acre lot that's very that's landscaped, you know, with a lot of efficient landscaping. And so is it fair 00:41:54
that they pay the same? 00:41:58
You know. 00:42:03
So what we've chosen to do is. 00:42:03
Meter size. 00:42:06
And then we have actually. 00:42:07
Looked at the data, we have AMI. So we've got AMI on all of our meters. And we actually did a study where we looked at the water 00:42:09
usage for all of our retail customers. And we then basically took the bell curve and we kind of looked at it seasonally and said 00:42:14
OK. 00:42:18
For people who are using their water efficiently and the way we figured that out. 00:42:23
Because we actually did. 00:42:27
Looked, you know, looking at GIS and using Google Earth and other. 00:42:29
Mapping, umm. 00:42:32
We said. 00:42:33
How much lawn is in a typical quarter acre lot OR? 00:42:34
A typical. 00:42:38
A lot that has a three quarter inch meter or one that has a one inch meter. 00:42:39
And based upon that square footage of. 00:42:43
Irrigatable, you know, area. 00:42:46
What would be we consider to be efficient water use? And so again, the idea was to keep. 00:42:48
The vast majority of people who are using their water. 00:42:53
Relatively wisely. 00:42:55
In those lower tiers. 00:42:57
And then we do have obviously some people that are on those out, you know, the outer edges that are going up into that Tier 4. And 00:42:59
again, that's to, you know, basically promote conservation. 00:43:03
So we have found that we're able to have more people. 00:43:08
Stay in the lower tiers. 00:43:11
By looking at and it makes more sense. 00:43:14
To use meter size. 00:43:16
Than to go by lot size. 00:43:18
Interesting last question. 00:43:19
This do I understand correctly that there's? 00:43:22
By Olympus Junior High School, just West of it. 00:43:26
There's a piece there and I had I. 00:43:28
Thought I had been told at one point that that was to. 00:43:30
It's a supply line that goes out and feeds. 00:43:32
Jordan water is that. 00:43:34
Sorry I missed the first part. Where did you say it's by Olympus Junior High School, just West of it. There's a there's a piece 00:43:36
there. 00:43:39
And so is that a case where you're purchasing water from another water company that to you or something like that? Yeah, we have 00:43:42
two lines that come. Well, we actually have about four connections kind of between Little Cottonwood Creek and. 00:43:47
And then? 00:43:54
Like the fortunes and where we can take water there. 00:43:55
Metropolitan And so it's probably referring to that one of those connections we have. 00:43:58
Several. 00:44:02
But the treatment facility that you'll be? 00:44:03
It's like a. 00:44:04
Facility that you'll build. Yeah. So there's, I don't know, you're probably familiar. We have a reservoir in Analoa. 00:44:05
There's a reservoir there and that's the reservoir that those springs will feed into. We're actually going to put the treatment. 00:44:11
For those springs at that Nana Lower reservoir site. 00:44:16
Got it. So. 00:44:19
Thank you. 00:44:20
What is your timeline on the Castle Springs? 00:44:21
Time right now. 00:44:24
So we're looking at probably. 00:44:26
18 months to two years, hopefully before we're completely finished with the project. We'll just have to see how things go. Would 00:44:28
that give you an opportunity to expand retail service or is your objective? 00:44:32
Or to still scale back our objectives, to still scale back We don't. We have no desire to expand our retail service, especially 00:44:36
with these little pockets. It just doesn't. It's not efficient for us. 00:44:41
The idea is really to have a backup. 00:44:46
Or to look for opportunities where we're no longer having to take water from Metro because that's been on a. 00:44:48
A system capacity basis. So for instance, at any point in time if they say, hey, we need the capacity in our pipeline to deliver 00:44:53
to our actual customers, which is Salt Lake and Sandy, they can technically kick us out of that pipe. 00:44:59
And basically say, yeah, you're on your own, you got to find water somewhere else and so. 00:45:06
Getting to where we can treat those sources again, that gives us a backup. 00:45:09
You know, and so we would then move to. 00:45:13
The Castro Springs as our primary. 00:45:16
With Metropolitan being a backup and then. 00:45:18
Hopefully that should allow us to reduce those rates when you say your customers if you're getting out of retail. 00:45:21
Would you then be? 00:45:27
Selling back to Salt Lake City. 00:45:28
Yeah, we've there's been several different ways that we've done it. 00:45:30
You know, sometimes it's just a. 00:45:34
Take over a connection and we have to workout infrastructure and what, you know, depends on what the cost of infrastructure is and 00:45:35
what people are taking over. But yeah, essentially it's either, you know, holiday water or. 00:45:40
Salt Lake City that would then essentially take over service to those. 00:45:45
To those retail customers, right and we'd workout with I guess my concern about. 00:45:49
I'm trying to figure out you've got this. 00:45:53
Monster Capital plan in these. 00:45:55
Early years coming up. 00:45:57
And then? 00:45:59
Fading out later. 00:46:00
But is there an impact to holiday retail? 00:46:03
Customers. 00:46:07
Taking the front end of. 00:46:08
A big share of. 00:46:09
An oversized portion of their share of these capital projects and then they. 00:46:11
Get bailed out to be picked up. Actually I would say it's the other way around and so forget I asked that then. 00:46:15
So there's. 00:46:22
And it's not. 00:46:23
I don't want to go into, you know, go so far as to say that that retail is, I mean that that wholesale subsidizing retail that you 00:46:24
get a great economy of scale because we're such a whole, you know, large wholesaler rate agency. So that's really what it comes 00:46:29
down to. 00:46:33
The retail rates are almost at Wholesale Canada, I think. Yeah, the retail rate, our retail rates are very competitive and frankly 00:46:38
that's been one of the. 00:46:41
Reasons why we've. 00:46:45
Had trouble say. 00:46:46
You know, having other agencies and access is because those people are like, hey, we pay really low rates during value we don't 00:46:48
want to pay. 00:46:51
City X rates or citywide rates. They want their low. 00:46:54
Water rates. So that's kind of been one of the barriers. 00:46:57
In the past. 00:47:00
Would. 00:47:02
For that area, you're doing retail now and holiday. 00:47:05
What if you were to leave that area from a retail standpoint? 00:47:08
Is Salt Lake City the only option or would it be also an option for holiday water? 00:47:12
I think either one would be an option. It would just be a case of looking at it from both the technical standpoint, what makes 00:47:16
sense from the. That's the question. From a technical standpoint for both, I think both are viable. Yes, we've looked at them and 00:47:21
I think both are equally viable. It's just kind of depending on. 00:47:25
What if they? 00:47:30
Think that's the case on there, but yeah, we could either one could be an option. 00:47:32
On the conservation side is for local residents and local scaping. 00:47:36
Is there? 00:47:42
I mean, is there? 00:47:42
Consulting available out there at the center, like free consulting, kind of free consulting if you sign up for those incentives 00:47:44
and it walks you through, there's a lot of stuff that's online that kind of let's you do it at your pace. But yes, you can bring 00:47:49
in your plan and say here's what I'd like to do. Is this a good idea? You know, can you help me figure that out? And so yes, 00:47:55
there's lots of, it's all free consulting. So Yep. 00:48:00
Cool, there's lots of resources there. 00:48:06
Thank you. 00:48:07
Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thanks. 00:48:10
All right. 00:48:13
Salt Lake City, all right. 00:48:15
Thanks everybody, for having us here. My name is Jesse Stewart. I'm the deputy director of Public Utilities in Salt Lake. 00:48:27
We're probably the biggest provider. 00:48:32
Here in in Holiday city I think. 00:48:34
Jordan Valley is probably the smallest and then it's us and then Holiday Water Company than us. 00:48:37
So I'm going to start off just a little bit about Public Utilities. I've got a few slides. 00:48:42
I can talk about any number of things as we go forward, but I'm going to just try to run through these real quick so we can have 00:48:46
time for questions. 00:48:50
We're one of the oldest water providers in the in the West actually. 00:48:54
Oldest one here in the in the in the valley I believe. Established in 1876. 00:48:58
Our department of Salt Lake City Municipal Corporations, so we're one of the departments just like public services or parks. 00:49:03
Would be. 00:49:10
We provide water for about 360,000 people. 00:49:11
And that's across Salt Lake City. 00:49:14
Mill Creek Holiday, a little bit of Cottonwood Heights. 00:49:17
A little bit of Midvale, a little bit of South Salt Lake, and. 00:49:20
Maybe one other's I can't remember right now. 00:49:26
We do in our department. We do sewer, storm water and St. lighting in Salt Lake City and then we do water. 00:49:28
Really. From the mouth of Little Codman Canyon across the east bench. 00:49:33
Either way, into Salt Lake City proper, out to the new prison site. 00:49:36
We're pretty heavily regulated by both as, as is Giselle and everybody else, by EPA and DEQ with Clean Water Act and Safe Drinking 00:49:40
Water Act and then with our water rights by the Division of Natural Resources, Division of Water Rights. 00:49:46
Next slide. 00:49:52
So again, these are our four utilities. 00:49:53
Again, for for here in Holiday City, it's just water, and that's why I've got a picture of one of the Alpine lakes up in Codman 00:49:56
Canyons. 00:49:59
Part of our mission is also to do source protection in local. 00:50:03
Little Cottonwood. Big Cottonwood. 00:50:06
And parleys, and then City Creek itself also. 00:50:08
Again, there's the two we serve water to and what we do within the city for our other four utilities. 00:50:11
Keep in mind those are forced independent utilities. They all operate separately. 00:50:18
There's no we can't take sewer money. 00:50:22
And fund water projects and vice versa. So it's water is just water, sewers just sewer. 00:50:24
So why do we serve Holiday City? 00:50:30
So if anybody can recognize that picture, you get a. 00:50:32
Apprise any ideas? 00:50:36
That's a pump station at Utah Lake. 00:50:39
So why do I have a picture of the pump station of Utah Lake? 00:50:41
So part of what we do. 00:50:45
Again, we're the. 00:50:48
Historic water provider on East Bench. 00:50:49
And a lot of this stems to the exchange agreement from the late 1800s. 00:50:51
You got a lot of canals going through here. We've got the East Shore Extension, you've got Big cotton with lower, Big Cotton with 00:50:54
10 or Big Cottonwood Walker. 00:50:58
Neumann ditch, You've got all these different canals that come through here. 00:51:02
All of those. 00:51:05
Or have agreements with Salt Lake City. 00:51:06
Back in the day in the 1800's, the farmers, the people who were irrigating, wanted a constant supply of water for the irrigation 00:51:09
season. 00:51:12
Salt Lake City wanted to have better, more pristine water to treat. 00:51:15
So we exchanged. 00:51:19
Utah lake water for. 00:51:20
For irrigation so that we can use. 00:51:21
The more pristine water for. 00:51:23
Culinary. 00:51:25
So that's. 00:51:27
Again, we started treating. 00:51:27
And using little cognitive and big Cottonwood and we. 00:51:29
Convey that water all the way from the mouth of Little Cotton with two Salt Lake City. 00:51:32
And we provided water all along the way. 00:51:36
So we've been providing water out here long before anything was incorporated, back when it was unincorporated county. So kind of 00:51:38
think of the east bench. 00:51:42
Across the way, with the exception of a little bit like Shazelle talked about and a little bit of what? 00:51:45
White City does or what Holiday water does. We are the main water provider as it goes across. 00:51:51
One thing to keep in mind, it's not like we can say. 00:51:57
Hey, here's Holiday's water and here's your connections and here's Mill Creek and here's your connection. I think it is one large 00:51:59
Organism. 00:52:02
So the water passes through. 00:52:05
The different pressure zones we have from. 00:52:07
Cottonwood Heights into Holiday City, into Milk Tree and then into Salt Lake City. So we can't. 00:52:09
We can't say, oh, we're not going to serve. 00:52:14
Holiday City anymore because. 00:52:16
It's part of our system as we go forward. 00:52:19
I'm not going to read all that, so we'll go on. 00:52:22
Water related infrastructure. We've got 3 water treatment plants. We've got one up in City Creek Canyon. 00:52:25
We've got one. 00:52:30
At the base of right by the golf course in Parleys Canyon, right below. 00:52:31
Mountain Dew Dam. 00:52:37
100 year old dam there with the dream plant right below it. 00:52:38
And then we've got big Cottonwood at the mouth of Big Cottonwood. And there were also. 00:52:41
Member agencies with Metro Water metro and water district of Saugus sandy that has. 00:52:45
Little cognitive water treatment plant and pointing to the mountain water treatment plant and then they have agreements with 00:52:51
Giselle and Jordan Valley. 00:52:54
So we actually get some water from the Herriman plant out into kind of the Western. 00:52:57
Northwestern portion of Salt Lake City. 00:53:02
Through those exchanges. 00:53:04
We have 7 water storage dams and reservoirs. Again, that's the high. 00:53:06
Alpine dams that were part of old irrigation companies that we took over, and then we got Mountain Dell and Little Dell. 00:53:09
Up in Parley's Canyon. 00:53:15
We have 32 or yeah, 32 distribution reservoirs and tanks. I'll talk about some of those that we're going to be doing some capital 00:53:17
on here in in a holiday in the coming years. 00:53:22
And we have about 1300 miles of water lines. 00:53:26
650 miles of sewer and 350 miles of stormwater. Again, those bottom 2 are just within Salt Lake City proper. 00:53:29
Next slide. 00:53:35
On that picture on that last slide was bigoted water treatment plant. 00:53:36
Water lines. 00:53:40
Our lines, again, we've got some older ones, we've got some new ones. We're replacing every year. We're getting new lines put in 00:53:42
every year. 00:53:45
I'll talk about some of the break history we've had here in Holiday. 00:53:49
And the challenges we have there. 00:53:52
Again, most common size is 6812 and there's some big ones for our big transmission lines. 00:53:54
And then we've got a mixture of ductile iron, cast iron, PVC and concrete. 00:53:59
Types of pipes. 00:54:04
When we go to do our asset management, we have a fairly robust asset management program. We try to say every piece of. 00:54:06
Of. 00:54:14
Infrastructure we have has a plan. 00:54:16
So we look at all of our pipes, all of our. 00:54:18
Pump pump plans are pressure reducing valves, whatever it might be, and we try to give it all a condition and a criticality. 00:54:20
So criticality is going to be how critical is it to our system? 00:54:27
So I live in Salt Lake City. The line in front of my house is very critical to me. But in terms of the grand system. 00:54:30
It's not that critical. 00:54:35
But its condition could be. 00:54:37
You know, weren't that we do work on it. So everything is a one to five. 00:54:39
55 would be the. 00:54:42
The worst condition and most critical. 00:54:44
Project we have. 00:54:46
So we try to look at all those as we go, so we inventory. 00:54:47
We assign criticality condition and then we create a plan for those and we we update that plan every year as we go through our 00:54:50
budget cycles. We have an annual plan, a five year, a 10 year and then a 30 to 50 year plan as we go forward. 00:54:55
Factors that go into this again to the critical. 00:55:02
Condition and criticality. 00:55:05
We also look at what's going on with growth. 00:55:07
In terms of the city and this city also. 00:55:09
There's not a lot of room to expand. 00:55:12
Kind of laterally, but a lot of the cities are going up. 00:55:14
You're getting infill and you're and you're getting taller buildings. So we're making sure we'll get that. 00:55:17
We can't take care, take care and look at different regulations that are coming down. So we we're. 00:55:21
We, as all public water systems, analyze. 00:55:26
Daily for a myriad of constituents. 00:55:29
Some of the current ones were. 00:55:31
We're starting to look at with EPA is forever chemicals. That's when we're starting to look at the PFAS and PFOS. 00:55:33
We also work with. 00:55:39
Road work and agency coordination so we meet with Salt Lake City and Mill Creek and Holiday. 00:55:40
And we try to make sure that. 00:55:45
We don't have a plant a project planned. 00:55:47
You know, a month or a year after, say. 00:55:49
City puts in a brand new roadway. We'd like to get in there ahead of them. Glad you brought that up because we're going to talk 00:55:52
about specific situation. OK, go ahead. 00:55:56
OK. Then we look at budgeting, financing, like what can we actually afford? What can we afford to do? Sometimes it's going to be. 00:55:59
We delay and we do more repairs and sometimes we do. 00:56:06
Our actual capital, capital improvements. 00:56:09
Internal external resources, efficiency and sustainability, and what public impact we have on things. 00:56:12
Upcoming capital projects and holidays. So I've kind of got near term, this is one to three years. 00:56:19
And then short term 3 to 5. 00:56:23
And all these might change and go forward, but that's what we're looking at right now. 00:56:25
So I've circled. 00:56:29
I've got a square around Tanner Reservoir and I've got to got this big. 00:56:30
Oblique, whatever you call that shape. 00:56:34
Kind of around the Hughes Canyon neighborhood that's had a lot of breaks recently. 00:56:37
Satana reservoir, we're actually replacing that entire reservoir and it'll be doing a lot of the valving and things there and that 00:56:41
directly impacts. 00:56:45
Where the water pressure comes for a lot of holiday. 00:56:49
Holiday city here. 00:56:52
Then Hughes Canyon. 00:56:53
Again, you're probably aware we had. 00:56:55
Fairly significant issue there recently. 00:56:57
That's that's in the final stages of getting cleaned up. 00:56:59
Waters back in service and then we're going to be looking at that whole neighborhood. 00:57:02
For replacements, we've done that a couple times in Holiday and Milk Creek and in Salt Lake City. 00:57:06
There's some neighborhoods. 00:57:11
That you know the pipes are great until they're inaugurated. 00:57:12
And there's like, it's like a vintage of wine or a vintage of. 00:57:15
Of something else. You're looking at some pipes. It's like we're realizing. 00:57:18
Of that 1972 pipe is just not good. 00:57:21
Because it's starting to, it starts to go all at once. 00:57:23
So we're definitely against those. And then the short term we get the 39 S pump station and pipelines will be going on. 00:57:26
And then the Olympic Splendor area, that's another area that we're looking at because of history breaks. 00:57:32
As we go forward. 00:57:37
So can you. 00:57:38
Give us any numbers on that. I mean, what is short term, what is near term? So short term is going to be one to three years as 00:57:40
we're budgeting this. We can't do it all at once and there's a lot of lines to replace. 00:57:45
And then the short term is going to be 3 to 5. 00:57:50
So the near term is the stuff that we've got in our budgets. 00:57:52
Coming up and those, those are things we'll be budgeting in the next year. 00:57:55
And as it might be a multi year project as we go forward. 00:57:58
Do you have any more exact dates on that Hughes Canyon neighborhood? 00:58:02
Replacement, I think what we're planning on is having that in this next budget cycle. So at least we're getting started on it. 00:58:06
For next year. 00:58:12
Yeah, OK. Yeah, that's the plan is to at least get started on that. 00:58:13
Whether we get through all of it. 00:58:17
And once we assess it all that'll that'll be determined. 00:58:18
OK. 00:58:21
We're seeing the headlights coming. 00:58:23
Is in Drew's neighborhood by Morningside, right Lisa Drive and 38 yeah, that's that's another one. I think that's. 00:58:26
Is that the splinter area? Yeah, that's, that's not the Splendor area. It's a completely different. Well, Lisa's, Lisa's another 00:58:33
one. I actually looked at that today. I think I just wrote down Splendor Lisa's another area that we're looking at because that's 00:58:36
just. 00:58:40
That's just a. 00:58:43
Kind of by the. 00:58:44
Pedestrian bridge that goes across. 00:58:45
You know, it's by Morningside Elementary. It's a little bit lower. 00:58:47
I mean, they're, yeah. 00:58:50
There and down, we'll kind of get that or in their head down. 00:58:51
Yeah. 00:58:54
Don't you mean do you? 00:58:55
On your short term. 00:58:58
Well, we have to assess it and see. 00:58:59
What it's going to take to replace those? 00:59:01
So we can't just go in and do all the replacements at once. So we'll. 00:59:04
Will make a plan for those areas. 00:59:07
And get and then start putting those into our capital plan. 00:59:09
And our long term budgeting and longtime short term budgeting as we go forward, those are all areas that are on our radar right 00:59:12
now. 00:59:16
To take a look at. 00:59:20
The issue on our side, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that. 00:59:21
Even though the there is water pipe problems up there and even though you might not consider those to be critical. 00:59:24
The road on top of those pipes. 00:59:31
Is critical. 00:59:33
And so. 00:59:34
If we wait, then the cost repair of that road goes up by 10X. That's what I talked to my engineers today and they've actually been 00:59:36
talking to Jared. 00:59:39
And I think we're going to try to, I think, is that the Lisa way one? 00:59:42
Yeah, yeah. So that's that's on our radar. I should have put it on here. Sorry. 00:59:45
Because of that road work. 00:59:49
We're trying. We're gonna want to get in ahead of that. OK? Yeah, because that's the one we want to really get scheduled. 00:59:50
Because that can mean. 00:59:55
A huge cost difference on the road piece. 00:59:57
Even though you might not view the water piece to be as critical. 01:00:00
That's one of those if we go ahead and do the road because we can't wait anymore. Yeah, we do that and then you 2 years later tear 01:00:03
it up, That's when we get. 01:00:06
To heck beat out of us. Yeah, well, we and. 01:00:10
Believe me, we do that and. 01:00:12
Whether it's Cottonwood Heights, Holiday, Mill Creek, Salt Lake City. 01:00:14
We and I wish I'd sorry I didn't put that on here. That's one I did talk to my engineers about because of the the roadway projects 01:00:17
coming up. 01:00:20
OK. Yeah, that's one we'd appreciate some real solid. 01:00:24
Coordination there and. 01:00:27
I know you've got other huge capital investment projects, but the Big Cottonwood Canyon and. 01:00:29
And such, but that's just one of those that's going to be super annoying if we don't that's coordinating. I'm glad you brought 01:00:34
that up. My apologies for not having on here. That's when I did talk to them about today. 01:00:37
Right. Yeah, It's not just having the heck beat out of us. It's. 01:00:41
Poor use of taxpayer funds. You know, it's just. 01:00:44
Unwise. 01:00:47
You're preaching to the choir and it said we do our best. 01:00:48
We do our best, but. 01:00:51
But when breaks happen? 01:00:52
Sure, I wish we could do a moratorium on all roads, and we try to. 01:00:54
We do that with UDAT. We have various cities. 01:00:58
But we have to get in. We have to get in. 01:01:00
But if it's planned. 01:01:02
Then we should all work together and not. 01:01:03
Plan to be stumbling behind you and. 01:01:05
Tearing up a brand new road. 01:01:08
I you're, we're right on board with that. 01:01:10
So I had a question about you said the tenor reservoir replacement, can you go back as? 01:01:13
Is the valve replacement? Is that what it said? 01:01:17
Excuse me, a valve replacement, is that by Roland Harper's up there? We're replacing the actual reservoir itself, and then there's 01:01:19
valving associated with it outside of the footprint of the. 01:01:23
And that will improve water pressure. 01:01:28
I'm not going to say it's going to improve. 01:01:31
Our ability to deliver water, yeah, because that's, it's a, it's an old infrastructure. 01:01:34
I'm not sure it's gonna improve. 01:01:38
Water pressure would be the same elevation. 01:01:40
So it'll be close to the same water pressure unless we. 01:01:42
Really raise it up high. 01:01:44
But it will be similar water pressure, but it will be a more sustainable long term project because it's it's it's reached its end 01:01:46
of life. 01:01:49
OK. 01:01:53
The other ones I don't have on here is. 01:01:55
Kind of broader system wise, right now we're rebuilding City Creek water treatment plants. 01:01:57
We're working with Metropolitan Water. They're going to be rebuilding. 01:02:02
A little cotton water treatment plant. 01:02:06
We actually flip-flopped with them. We're going to have them go 1st and then we're going to right after the Olympics. We're 01:02:08
planning on rebuilding big Cottonwood water tree and plant. 01:02:11
In the interim pricing? 01:02:15
A lot of construction going on kind of between. 01:02:17
Between holiday and. 01:02:19
Cottonwood Heights municipalities, we're doing a connection between the two. 01:02:21
So that when it comes time for us to rebuild Big Cottonwood. 01:02:25
We can actually send big Cotton water to Little Cotton water treatment plant and preserve that water resource. 01:02:28
So that's just a great way to kind of. 01:02:33
Keep that water resource viable as we go, because the big Cotton. 01:02:35
It's literally between a rock and a hard place. It's between. 01:02:39
The roadway, the Creek and a rock outcrop and it's the optimal elevation so we can gravity feed to our system. So we've assessed 01:02:43
going further. 01:02:46
Downhill. 01:02:50
But then we have to pump into our system and there's no place to go further uphill. 01:02:51
So to do that, it's going to be. 01:02:55
Once we decide to do that, we're going to tear the plant down and rebuild it. 01:02:57
And not have it as a viable treatment option. 01:03:01
So that's why we put the pipeline. 01:03:03
And then other things that will be going on down the road. 01:03:05
With Metro water is they're doing. 01:03:08
Doing some work on this I talk about. 01:03:10
That's the that's the pipeline, the major pipeline that conveys water up to the terminal reservoir. 01:03:13
Complex by REI. 01:03:17
And that's where Giselle gets her water. That's the connections coming off that. 01:03:19
But there'll be work on that to harden that as we go from as they go forward over the next several 10 to 20 years. 01:03:22
This is the water mains replaced in the last 20 years. 01:03:29
The picture on the left is our system wide. That's our service area. 01:03:32
You can see little cutouts there for the University of Utah and a little cut out down below. 01:03:36
Although we do show those because we track some of those for holiday. 01:03:40
Water lines were placed in holiday water system. 01:03:43
As you can see, lot, we're always replacing lines and it's again go back to that condition and criticality how we do things. 01:03:46
And then as it's again, it's if there's a large history break, we're going to go in and try to get those as soon as we can. 01:03:54
And then on the. 01:03:59
On the right side is Holiday City itself. 01:04:00
You can see over the last 20 years there's been quite a bit of pipeline being put in. 01:04:03
Next slide. 01:04:07
This is the water main breaks in the last five years. You can see that kind of. 01:04:10
Cluster up in the upper right hand corner. 01:04:13
That's one of the areas we focus on actually in 2023 replaced a lot of those and we've got a lot more of those going in. 01:04:15
Then you can see the next cluster down. 01:04:22
That's another one that's on our. 01:04:24
On our agenda along with. 01:04:26
The roadway project we just talked about the. 01:04:28
Drive or lease away? 01:04:32
Work on the. 01:04:33
Left side in the table. There you can kind of see the number of breaks in the last five years. 01:04:35
And that's and then you can see the total system miles, so. 01:04:40
You and Holiday in Cottonwood Heights have about 150 miles of pipe, Mill Creek's about 201 and then Salt Lake City is about 867. 01:04:43
We try to. 01:04:51
We don't. 01:04:52
We have breaks all across our system. 01:04:53
It's a similar age pipe in various locations. Again, the east bench of some of the. 01:04:55
First step to go inside some of the older pipe. 01:05:00
And then as you get out into the out into the newer stuff, hopefully it's not breaking as much. But again. 01:05:02
We found some, you know, pipes from the 1990s that just aren't a good pipe, and we're replacing some of those too, so. 01:05:07
We're constantly looking at things as we go forward. 01:05:13
And looking at these clusters so we can find out where we have the break histories and we can try to get to those sooner than 01:05:17
later. 01:05:20
As we as we make our way through our system. 01:05:24
Next slide. 01:05:27
On our study. 01:05:28
We just finished the rate study. Our rates went into effect. 01:05:30
On July 1. 01:05:33
Some of the big changes we saw is. 01:05:34
We went to tiered structure year round instead of just tiered structure in the summer months. 01:05:37
And then we changed our tiers. We kind of lowered them so that. 01:05:42
The lowest cost to be those. 01:05:46
Families that do use the least water, so our tiers now go zero to 5. 01:05:49
5 to 10. 01:05:53
Our zero to five, six to 1011 to 40 and greater than 40, whereas previously they were broader tiers. 01:05:55
So you might be finding that you and your constituents are. 01:06:00
Getting to higher tiers sooner. 01:06:03
Depending on the amount of water you use. 01:06:05
Do you have? 01:06:07
Graph of that. 01:06:08
I don't have a graph of that, but I can, I can direct you all to our rate study that's got all these, all the information in it. 01:06:09
Then the other thing with. 01:06:16
I know the question sometimes comes up. 01:06:18
Is our county residents we call them county because back in the day before incorporated. 01:06:20
And we can't get away from calling it Reed County, so. 01:06:24
Holiday, Mill Creek, all the municipalities that aren't in Salt Lake City. 01:06:27
They do pay a different rate than Salt Lake City. They pay a 1.3535% more. 01:06:30
For cost and per rates. 01:06:37
And that's because. 01:06:39
Salt Lake City residents. 01:06:40
Pay a property tax to the Metro for the Metrolog and Water District work. 01:06:42
Other county residents do not pay that. 01:06:47
And then Salt Lake City. 01:06:49
Because we own and hold all the liability for the infrastructure. 01:06:51
That goes into that calculation too, and as part of our rate study. 01:06:54
We actually did a separate study on that to verify that that 35% was accurate and it didn't come out accurately again. 01:06:58
So brings it to parity, huh? 01:07:04
What's that? It brings it to parity essentially, Yeah. So, yeah. Because because county and the city, yeah. So the county, because 01:07:07
the city residents pay the property tax that goes towards for Metropolitan Water District of Salt Lake and Sandy, whereas our 01:07:11
county residents do not pay that. 01:07:15
Can you go into a little more detail? You said that. 01:07:20
Because I have had residents complain about. 01:07:23
Their water prices, you said that. 01:07:26
With the new tiered rates, people would be moving into the higher tiers sooner. 01:07:28
Previous tiers. 01:07:32
So. 01:07:34
So we have a monthly service charge that's gone down. 01:07:35
And the race stabilization fee that we had in the previous fiscal year, that's gone away, that was going to a short-term. 01:07:38
To to keep us. 01:07:44
Solvent here, that's gone away and then the new restructure took that over. 01:07:46
So previous tiers were zero to 10. 01:07:50
CCF. 01:07:52
We measure our water in 100 cubic feet. 01:07:53
So that's 748 gallons. 01:07:56
So. 01:07:57
Zero to 10 was previous. 01:07:59
That was Tier 1. 01:08:01
Or block one. Now it's zero to 5. 01:08:02
Second block was 11 to 30, now it's 6 to 10. 01:08:06
Third block was 31 to 60, now it's 11 to 40. 01:08:09
And block 4 is greater than 60. Now it's greater than 40. 01:08:12
And that was all part of that rate structure we did to make sure that. 01:08:15
That were. 01:08:19
Getting our cost of service and we're. 01:08:20
Bidding in the appropriate rates as we go forward. So but is it ultimately that people are just are paying more like if you're 01:08:23
moving up to the tier, I mean? 01:08:26
Ultimately just it means with this new tier system. 01:08:29
Yeah. So it's going to be the new Tiers plus. 01:08:32
The tears, they're slightly higher than they were last year. 01:08:35
Plus, they're going to be jumping in. They're going to. 01:08:38
Changed here sooner than they would have. 01:08:40
So it's stout. 01:08:42
And isn't there a base rate in addition to that? Yeah, there's also the the monthly service charge. 01:08:44
And that's actually gone down. 01:08:50
So there's a monthly service charge based on meter size 3 quarter one inch. 01:08:51
2 inch whatever you might have. 01:08:55
And I'm happy to, I can send Gina a link to our rate study and I'm happy to come back and walk through it in in depth with you 01:09:00
also. 01:09:03
I just know there was a lot to cover here today so. 01:09:07
I haven't. 01:09:09
It was a one year process, pretty in depth with a great advisory committee and. 01:09:11
And a lot of consternation going back and forth, but. 01:09:16
Be happy to share that with everybody. Yeah. How would you describe at all? 01:09:18
Holidays representation in terms of the governance of. 01:09:24
Our water supplier, I mean. 01:09:29
Other water suppliers and sewer districts have locally elected board members, but clearly the. 01:09:31
Don't but. 01:09:35
How would how would you describe it at all as holiday representative? So we have the Public Utilities Advisory Committee. 01:09:36
That means that's a once a month meeting. I know we have at least one member from Holiday City on that. 01:09:42
We try to get broadly across the city and the county. St. Member. 01:09:48
What's that like a staff member? 01:09:52
No, it's a, it's a, it's a person of the public. 01:09:54
Who and how? It's Roger Players, the person who points to him. Or where did that come? It comes through. It's appointed by the 01:09:57
Salt Lake City mayor, and it can be. 01:10:02
You all can can give us any names that you might want to have on there and we can take those to our mayor. 01:10:07
Have it put on, OK, but as it stands, as it stands, the Salt Lake City mayor appointed somebody from Holiday Salt Lake City 01:10:12
Council council. 01:10:15
Appointed a Holiday resident to represent Holiday on that Rogers. Rogers. Probably been on it for my whole tenure with Salt Lake 01:10:19
City. 01:10:23
I never knew that. 01:10:28
Did you? 01:10:29
Didn't know that. 01:10:30
OK. 01:10:31
And we so we don't have. 01:10:33
So we don't have, it's not based on our. 01:10:35
Council districts. 01:10:37
We try to just. 01:10:38
X number from within Salt Lake City. 01:10:40
And then the rest we try to fill in with county representatives and it could be Holiday or Mill Creek or. 01:10:42
Whoever it might be. And can you explain how that works? Like what influence are they able to really have? 01:10:47
So we. 01:10:52
They approve our budgets every year. 01:10:53
They don't approve every single project we do, but they approve our master plan, our budget, which we present to them. 01:10:56
Everything from operations and maintenance, what we need and then our capital improvement plan. 01:11:03
So we give that all to them. 01:11:07
As part of that. 01:11:09
The budget. We have a budget. 01:11:10
Subcommittee. 01:11:11
It's made-up of them, They. 01:11:13
Come they go through the whole process. 01:11:14
And then they present that to the entire POAC. 01:11:17
That then goes to the mayor. 01:11:21
From with their approval and then the mayor gives it to the council with her approval. 01:11:23
And then they. 01:11:26
Approve or don't approve it. 01:11:28
Yeah, so big. That's the big picture stuff as far as. 01:11:29
Issues that holiday might. 01:11:33
You know those in the holiday area might be having though? Are they able to wield? 01:11:34
Any influence really or? 01:11:38
I think if they come to us with. 01:11:40
With projects or with issues. 01:11:42
Then we'll take those into account, I think. 01:11:45
You can either go through them or we work with Gina or Jared a lot also and if there's projects that come up. 01:11:48
Please let us know. 01:11:53
And we'll put them in and. 01:11:54
Kind of rack and stack them with our. 01:11:56
With our capital plan and our conditioning criticality and see where they fall out. 01:11:58
So I find it interesting that. 01:12:02
It's just kind of a member of the public that's. 01:12:05
Doing this because they don't. 01:12:08
They're not elected to represent. 01:12:10
People in holiday, they they probably know their neighborhood or whatever, but they don't have a broader picture of the concerns 01:12:13
that are going on in the city. Is that how all of the cities are represented? 01:12:18
That's just how it's been forever. That's just the bylaws of how, yeah. 01:12:23
What's the size of the Advisory Board and how many are? 01:12:28
From Salt Lake City and how many are I? 01:12:30
I'm gonna have to have Holly look that up. I think it's we have 7. We have a few vacancies right now. 01:12:33
And I think it's four and three, but I. 01:12:37
If Holly, you could look that up, I'd appreciate that. 01:12:39
Like 4 for the city and three for the county. 01:12:41
Yeah. 01:12:44
So the last slide I've got on is just our water supply and demand outlook. 01:12:53
And I have it on there simply because. 01:12:57
We live in a desert. 01:12:59
We're not out of a drought cycle right now. We're kind of, you know, if you look at it. 01:13:01
The lowest color there is. 01:13:05
Maybe a little bit of abnormally dry. 01:13:08
A lot of. 01:13:11
Out of orange. 01:13:13
Giselle mentioned a lot about their conservation program. We also have a conservation program. We're happy to send people out. We 01:13:15
do water checks for people. 01:13:18
The Utah State University. 01:13:22
We can send them out, they'll come and. 01:13:24
Actually look at every sprinkler head on someone's property and see what it see where it's going. 01:13:26
And then they can give recommendations for how much water each parcel might need. 01:13:31
So that's something we offer and then Stephanie do our conservation manager. 01:13:35
Would love to come and talk to any of your residents that want to talk. 01:13:39
About conservation, yeah. 01:13:43
So that's my last slide. 01:13:47
You know here for questions and I can. 01:13:49
Come back with additional information if you need that and if you want more in depth on our rates, I'm happy to come back and. 01:13:52
And spend a little more time in that with you. I do have another question as as far as kind of back to like the Jordan. 01:13:58
Water question as far as. 01:14:03
The the residents that you've serviced over the years has. 01:14:05
Has there been much transition or any transition? 01:14:09
In recent history. 01:14:12
Of certain. 01:14:14
Areas to holiday water for example, or other or others or is it? 01:14:15
Kind of so. 01:14:19
So we have. 01:14:20
We're actually working with Holiday for another. 01:14:21
They're doing some annexation with Sandy and Cottonwood Heights were against them. 01:14:23
Because. 01:14:27
If they go away, their Sandy gets takes their customers or we take the customers. 01:14:28
We have boundary service agreements with them and a lot of it's based on. 01:14:32
The infrastructure that's out there. 01:14:35
So are are we able to supply customers that they have? 01:14:37
Is their infrastructure. 01:14:41
Of I'm not, I don't want to say just that. Anybody. 01:14:43
Is it of quality we would take that on or would there need to be upgrades before we take it on to get it to our standards? 01:14:46
So it doesn't happen often. 01:14:53
But there are times where we have. 01:14:56
There are some customers like hey, that's it's. 01:14:59
It's better off as customers. 01:15:01
In Jordan Valley or vice versa, but it's not it would not be common. 01:15:03
By any means. 01:15:07
Is there somewhere? 01:15:09
I have one. 01:15:10
Constituent that. 01:15:11
That reached out. 01:15:12
Frustrated thinking that their water had changed from. 01:15:13
Holiday water to Salt Lake. 01:15:16
Salt Lake City Municipal. 01:15:17
Is there? 01:15:19
Who would you talk to to find out if that really was the case? I don't, you know, you can just give my name and I can get him in 01:15:20
touch with with our representative. 01:15:23
OK. And there, there has there have been a few of those over the overtime? 01:15:27
And again, it's just because it's a matter of geography sometimes and what makes more sense. But it has to be plumbed right too. 01:15:31
So it's not, it's not even just say well take their. 01:15:37
Take that customer because we have to. 01:15:39
Or they can't take our customers because the plumbing is not right. 01:15:42
So it's got to be replumbed and trenched in the in the streets and read. 01:15:44
Connected to their home somehow. 01:15:48
This doesn't seem like a weird question, but I'm just asking for your. 01:15:50
You know, transparent. 01:15:54
Is there any? 01:15:56
Difference in. 01:15:57
It was interesting looking at the brakes if you. 01:15:59
Factor like breaks per mile or whatever on that one slide that you showed. 01:16:01
Take a look at that. I think it was like. 01:16:05
It's not brakes per mile. Well, you could do well, no, I was just kind of looking at that thinking. 01:16:07
Is is there? 01:16:12
I mean are you 1 water system? 01:16:13
And you look at it that way because because Salt Lake City's was quite a bit lower breaks for mile. 01:16:15
The other ones I think if I so think of it this way too. So it's all it's. 01:16:20
Could be a matter of the age of the pipe. 01:16:23
Because. 01:16:26
Lot of Salt Lake cities. 01:16:27
Expanded out and that's more recent. 01:16:28
Whereas. 01:16:30
This was some of the original piping that took place as we go across the patch so. 01:16:31
I don't know if you can pop that up. 01:16:36
But we can look at that. So it's. 01:16:38
It's. 01:16:40
It's a matter of. 01:16:42
It's really a matter of the soil, the soil types, the age of the pipe. 01:16:43
What type of pipe it was when we took it over. 01:16:47
Because a lot of it we took over from, say, Green Ditch. 01:16:49
And there's a big push several years ago. 01:16:52
That a lot of that pipe is replaced. 01:16:56
Because. 01:16:58
It wasn't. 01:16:59
Great pipe. Because of failure rates, Yeah. And so that's kind of what we're looking at. And now some of these the break histories 01:17:00
you get. 01:17:03
Sometimes we find is like the pipes are fine and then all of a sudden. 01:17:06
That vintage of pipe is no longer fine. 01:17:10
And that's why we find ourselves chasing brakes. And some of the brakes would be. 01:17:13
You fix a break, you recharge it. 01:17:17
And you get a sympathetic break. 01:17:18
40 feet away. 01:17:20
As you just chase it. So those are the ones we just want to go in and replace those and give you pipe put in. 01:17:21
So, but yeah, it's a. 01:17:26
There's. 01:17:29
I know I've heard people say there's favoritism with the city. There's absolutely no favoritism with the city. 01:17:31
Because if your pipes. 01:17:35
You're all our customers. 01:17:37
And it's one big Organism and if the water doesn't flow through holiday, it doesn't make it where it needs to go. 01:17:39
Down the road. 01:17:44
So I'm concerned about. 01:17:45
Some. 01:17:48
Residents that I have heard from. 01:17:49
Over the summer. 01:17:51
You may remember that in June. 01:17:53
There was a large. 01:17:55
Break on Nyla Way that was large enough to make the local news. 01:17:58
Yep, that was fixed quickly. 01:18:02
But. 01:18:05
The. 01:18:06
The whole was never filled in. 01:18:07
I got an angry e-mail from. 01:18:09
A resident that lived on that street. 01:18:12
About a month after that break. 01:18:15
And I drive that. 01:18:17
Street. And it was a big enough break that in order to get around it, you had to. 01:18:18
Basically have your. 01:18:24
Tires in the gutter. 01:18:25
I mean, it was hard to get around. 01:18:27
And Jared, Bless. 01:18:30
Called one of your. 01:18:35
Cruise and they said, oh, we forgot about that one. 01:18:37
And then it was an additional 2 weeks. 01:18:40
Before. 01:18:42
It was completely fixed so. 01:18:43
That's. 01:18:45
But that's that's not. 01:18:47
I think the thing that that is most frustrating to us is people call us and say. 01:18:50
We've been calling. 01:18:55
We've been calling. 01:18:57
We call somebody named. 01:18:58
Call somebody named so and so. 01:19:00
And no one ever calls them back. There was a similar situation. 01:19:02
Just a few weeks ago on Melody Drive. 01:19:06
A homeowner texted me and said. 01:19:09
We've had a break. 01:19:12
The water has been coming out of the ground for six weeks. 01:19:14
We called. 01:19:17
Somebody came and put a barricade over it, but they've never come back. 01:19:19
And so we called. 01:19:23
They did come out and fix it now. 01:19:24
I've had a call both from that same resident and the resident across the street. 01:19:27
And yes, the break was fixed. 01:19:32
But one resident said that there they left a hole. 01:19:35
No barricades, no nothing. 01:19:39
They left a hole in their front yard. 01:19:41
They left pieces of. 01:19:44
They left. 01:19:46
Can I can I get that address from you? 01:19:49
And both of them say. 01:19:51
That their gutters have sunk. 01:19:53
Because of the. 01:19:55
Fact that there was water there for so long. 01:19:56
The address is. 01:19:59
2838 give it to me right now. So Oh yeah. 01:20:00
Oh, OK, Thanks Holly. 2838 Melody Drive and across the street, 2843 Melody Drive. 01:20:04
And what do you, what do I say as a City Council person? 01:20:13
When somebody calls me up. 01:20:18
I say well. 01:20:19
You know, there's really nothing we can do. This is not a city. 01:20:20
Issue it's the Salt Lake Public Utilities and they say, but we've been calling them and calling them and nobody ever calls us 01:20:24
back. 01:20:27
What do I say to that resident? 01:20:31
So. 01:20:34
I'm going to tell you that. 01:20:35
I've been taking action on this recently. 01:20:37
We've actually recently restructured our maintenance program. 01:20:39
So we have a maintenance manager that's dedicated just to maintenance and not distribution. 01:20:42
He's going to be taking a lot more closer look at. 01:20:47
How long? 01:20:50
Oftentimes we go in and we get the. 01:20:51
Again, this we might have. 01:20:53
Not gone out to the water leak. 01:20:54
Sufficiently on this and I might know why on that one. 01:20:56
But we get the water fixed. Our primary goal is get the water fixed, get people back in water. 01:21:00
There are times we languish on getting the final repairs done, whether it's. 01:21:05
The asphalt, sometimes we have to wait for asphalt and I'm not making. I don't want to be sound like I'm making excuses because 01:21:09
there are times we've been too long. 01:21:13
Like, I'll put that right out there. 01:21:16
But there are times we have to wait for. 01:21:19
Other utilities if. 01:21:21
If the water is eroded around some other utility, whether it's gas or sewer. 01:21:22
Sometimes a way for asphalt, sometimes they have to wait for sod, things like that. 01:21:27
Again, not excuses, because that's not always the case. 01:21:32
But with our new maintenance manager, one of the goals we've tasked him with is really tracking. 01:21:36
Are open Rd. cuts? 01:21:41
So that we don't have things that get lost. 01:21:42
So we don't have. 01:21:45
Someone going to fix the water line and then a new crew comes in. 01:21:46
You know, the night crew comes in and they don't finish the paperwork because they thought the day crew did it. So there's a lot 01:21:50
of those things we're working on right now. I can't say we're going to fix it overnight. 01:21:54
But it's something that's on my radar and it's on the department's radar, and we've made some changes. 01:21:58
Internally, uh. 01:22:03
To help adjust some of that. 01:22:04
Some of the water lines that might languish like that, especially in. 01:22:06
Holiday, we have times where it's it's a private water line. 01:22:10
So sometimes. 01:22:13
We have our water lines, but then there's private water lines that go off on those, and those are the responsibilities of the 01:22:14
private. 01:22:17
Water line holder. 01:22:20
Oftentimes we try to get them to do it and then we end up going in and doing it. 01:22:22
I can't say that's the case there, but we have had those cases also. 01:22:25
Where leaks continue because the private line owner hasn't gone into fixing and eventually we just go in and fix that and then we 01:22:29
build them. 01:22:32
So what do you mean a private? 01:22:36
Private line owner. So there's there's. 01:22:37
There are a lot of water mains that are, say, owned by the Green Ditch Company. 01:22:40
And so those are. 01:22:44
We provide the water, but they're, but they're they. They are. 01:22:45
Owned and to be maintained. 01:22:48
By that other entity. 01:22:50
Can you give me an example? 01:22:52
I could. I would have to look some up. I can. They're kind of down in the Walker Lane area. 01:22:54
So I can I can show you and I'll look at this. 01:23:00
The address you gave and see if that's one of them. 01:23:03
I can't say that's that case because I haven't memorized the. 01:23:05
Her district, yeah, she's up in the northeast, but, but, but they're they're, they're, they're elsewhere also. So there's times we 01:23:10
do have that, that it's a private water line. We try to get them to fix it and they eventually don't. 01:23:15
Then we'll go in and fix that and then charge them for. 01:23:21
But we don't want to become a maintenance crew for private. 01:23:24
Water line owners. 01:23:27
So, but again. 01:23:28
I hear what you're saying. 01:23:30
That's one of the goals I have right now with my maintenance crews is to make sure that. 01:23:32
I'm getting a weekly report now of open Rd. cuts. 01:23:36
So that I can look at those and I'm working with Chris, our new maintenance manager that he's looking at intently every week. 01:23:39
And making sure that we don't have. 01:23:45
The water line repaired because we always know we get that repair. 01:23:48
And that we don't languish on getting the final Rd. restoration done. 01:23:51
How long has it been since you've made that structural change? 01:23:56
He's been in a position. 01:23:59
About a month. 01:24:00
OK. Yeah. So it's, it's pretty recently, yeah. 01:24:01
So this. 01:24:04
Or this drive. 01:24:06
He said that he was calling somebody named Brett. So that's not the Brett. Brett is one of our. 01:24:09
Maintenance supervisors. 01:24:14
I will talk to Brett about that one. 01:24:16
Also. 01:24:17
Apparently he's called him numerous times and Brett has never called him back. 01:24:18
OK. Yeah, Brett, Brett is our. 01:24:21
One of our maintenance supervisors. 01:24:25
I know you feel like you're probably being raked over the coals here. Hey, that's honestly this is. 01:24:27
If I don't get the feedback from you or from others, then well, it's. I think structurally there's just it's. 01:24:32
Flawed, frankly. 01:24:37
There's, there's the representation thing that that council member Fotheringham brought up. It's just flawed and I, I'd love to 01:24:39
see a change because. 01:24:42
This is. 01:24:45
You know, I hate to say it, but it's the nature of monopolies, right? We are not monopoly and we have talks with our planning 01:24:46
department and others like. 01:24:49
You've got to provide. 01:24:52
You know, we got to pretend like there's competition here that you're you're providing this good customer service. Can me 01:24:53
personally, I can speak. 01:24:57
I was down. 01:25:01
And I say this just as. 01:25:02
Information it's not you, right? It's it's the the. 01:25:04
The entity but. 01:25:07
I personally had to go down to open up a water account for a place I bought down in Murray. 01:25:08
That Salt Lake City. 01:25:12
Covers and I can't remember what it was exactly but I was so frustrated because. 01:25:13
I think they didn't accept. 01:25:17
Credit cards or I can't remember. I had to go to a bank for something that like it was. 01:25:19
It was crazy, the kind of thing where. 01:25:23
It doesn't happen. 01:25:25
Outside of. 01:25:26
You know, public, typically it's just rolls of pennies that we take. Yeah. 01:25:27
In any case. 01:25:32
To the extent that you can take back to. 01:25:33
You being the deputy director, you know you can take back and try to instill. 01:25:35
A culture of. 01:25:39
Like changing those kinds of things. It's, it's, it's frustrating because. 01:25:40
Yeah, we are at the water company, we're the city. But we we hear about it and we when we have to have some way to. 01:25:45
To do something you know. 01:25:50
Yeah, can I add 1? 01:25:51
One more issue. 01:25:53
As long as we're talking. 01:25:54
There's a parcel. 01:25:56
I think it's being held in reserve for a possible pump station or something on 2030 E 2300 E 4500 S, yeah. 01:25:57
And we've had. 01:26:04
I think as long as I've been on the council, we've had trouble getting people out to maintain it on a regular basis. So that's 01:26:05
another one. When Gina asks us about this, she talked to me about that and. 01:26:10
Honestly, it's not always on my radar because it's. 01:26:14
What's 1 of the vacant lots we're holding for future? 01:26:17
I know that that you dot did some work around. 01:26:19
On the 45th side and. 01:26:22
And then on the. 01:26:24
2300 side there's some work also we fenced it off. 01:26:26
For a long time is being used as a staging area for various. 01:26:29
People just using it as a staging area. 01:26:32
So we blocked that off. I've talked to our maintenance teams. 01:26:34
And our. 01:26:37
Or the managers over there. 01:26:38
I think what we're going to do is part of our conservation. 01:26:41
Program. 01:26:44
We've worked with USU to develop a very low water turf. 01:26:45
That's actually used on a lot of golf courses now in Salt Lake City. 01:26:48
What we're going to do, I think, is we'll go through and. 01:26:51
Put in. 01:26:54
Probably a yard hiding out there so we have some water. 01:26:55
Try to establish this turf. 01:26:58
And do some trimming of some of the trees and at least make it. 01:27:00
More presentable for everybody. 01:27:03
And put it on a mowing schedule. We have some of our mowing schedules we do internally. 01:27:05
Some we have a glancy of contractor that comes in. I might just put this on there. So they hit it every two weeks. 01:27:09
That would be great because it's kind of the entry into our. 01:27:14
Holiday Village area and. 01:27:17
It can be really unsightly if it's not maintained on a regular basis. No, I hear you. 01:27:19
I know we could have gone on a lot of different topics I would appreciate more information on. 01:27:28
That tiered structure change and how that happens because. 01:27:34
Because ultimately what I'm hearing is that residents are paying more. And I know there's lots of reasons for that, but when I 01:27:36
have people asking me, I'd like to really understand that in a way that I can explain. 01:27:40
Would if we had kept the alts here they still. 01:27:45
The rates that would have gone up, but what we did is we tried to. 01:27:48
By lowering that first here from zero to 5. 01:27:52
We're trying to do is the bulk of our water users. 01:27:55
Are in that tier for the most part. 01:27:58
So that's part of that equity is we want to make sure that it's equitable from everybody across the whole. 01:28:00
Socioeconomic. 01:28:05
Profile. 01:28:06
And so that's that was one of the reasons we did that. There was a long discussion with our advisory committee which tiers to go 01:28:07
with in that. 01:28:10
But I can definitely, I can send you some literature on that. That would be awesome. 01:28:13
Thank you very much. 01:28:17
And Holly, I hope you're taking all my notes because I'm. 01:28:18
So the 9 member. 01:28:21
Shore design outside of. 01:28:34
I believe we are meeting. 01:28:35
Now, but it doesn't. 01:28:38
How long have there been 3 vacancies? 01:28:42
We've had vacancies for quite a while. We just, there were just two new people appointed. 01:28:46
But that will still leave some vacancies, so if. 01:28:51
If you all have. 01:28:54
A recommendation. 01:28:56
Have Gina contact me and we can. 01:28:57
Was I? I guess on that note is is there a way that? 01:28:59
We can. 01:29:03
You know, maybe this is a question for Gina even that we can. 01:29:05
Take a more active role either in. 01:29:09
In recommending somebody regularly. 01:29:11
Or having somebody, I mean, I guess it can't be a member of the council that sits on that. 01:29:14
Where do they correct? OK, but. 01:29:18
Having somebody that has. 01:29:21
More of a relationship with the city. 01:29:23
Why Kennedy? Somebody on the council? 01:29:26
I believe we just don't have elected officials on that. 01:29:29
Public Utilities Advisory Committee. That's part of the bylaws, yeah. 01:29:32
I'd have to check if it's a biologic, I believe it is. 01:29:35
Have to understand the rationale on that because I know other cities have asked to have. 01:29:37
Public officials on We have not had that happen. 01:29:43
So or to have it be an elected position, you know, have it be elected even. 01:29:46
But yeah, because there's lots of districts that we sit on for different things that I think it's it's really helpful to have 01:29:50
people who represent large areas. 01:29:54
And I think that's something also is we. 01:29:58
Reach out. We can let you know who your representatives are. You can reach out to them. 01:30:01
And uh. 01:30:05
Have them come here. I mean again, we. 01:30:05
We have people from. 01:30:07
The various districts. 01:30:09
But we. 01:30:11
We don't say, hey, go back and. 01:30:11
Report back to. 01:30:13
People but. 01:30:15
Yeah, that's some y'all could have them do. 01:30:16
I think it's. 01:30:18
Kind of. 01:30:21
I don't want to use the word crazy, but that none of us know who our representative has been on this board. 01:30:23
And we've had these problems, but we've never known that there was someone that we could have talked to that was on your advisor. 01:30:28
There's a so there. And we meet up. It's a public open meeting every month except in the summer, we take a. 01:30:33
Some time because. 01:30:38
Most people are gone. 01:30:39
So but it's an open meeting once a month. 01:30:40
I just, I guess I find it interesting, even though it's not a tax, it's something everybody has to pay because everyone needs to 01:30:43
use water. 01:30:46
So it's an entity that. 01:30:49
That we were forced to pay the bill. 01:30:51
And we don't have anybody that represents. 01:30:55
The legal monopoly, right? Yeah. And I just find that really. 01:30:57
Interesting structure that I've. 01:31:02
So what we can do is. 01:31:04
Hollywood so we can get the bylaws and. 01:31:05
And show you where that comes from city ordinance. 01:31:07
Thank you so much. We said. We've asked a lot of questions. We just get a lot of questions. 01:31:12
All of us are getting questions and I think. 01:31:17
I mean, don't, don't wait for one of these opportunities. If you have questions, you can contact us directly or Gina knows. 01:31:20
How to get to get to us and. 01:31:25
We can try to respond to those and if there's a long standing ones. 01:31:27
I want those to be brought to my attention. 01:31:31
I don't want to. 01:31:33
I don't want to come up here and say. 01:31:34
We're getting to it. 01:31:36
Yeah, I want, I want to come up here and have you say, hey, you're doing great, so. 01:31:37
Sure. Thank you for taking the time to come tonight. We appreciate it. Thanks. 01:31:41
Thank you. 01:31:44
OK. All right. 01:31:45
Holiday. 01:31:48
Holiday water. 01:31:49
I know you wanted to be out of here 7:30, so I'll just take a few minutes, OK? 01:31:57
I don't have a slideshow, Gina. 01:32:03
Will be really helpful if we can. 01:32:06
Put that one up and just sort of show you. 01:32:08
100 or you know well whenever John Holiday and others five families. 01:32:11
Settled the place, showed up. They all pretty much built along Spring Creek. 01:32:16
The cleanest water to drink from and irrigate with SO. 01:32:21
That's where where the water started. 01:32:24
And as the community grew. 01:32:27
They acquired water rights coming out of Big Cottonwood Canyon. 01:32:30
As well. 01:32:35
They established a water company. 01:32:37
It's been around 100 years. 01:32:39
About that time. 01:32:44
Salt Lake City approached Holiday Water and said, hey, can we have some access to the water coming out of Cottonwood? 01:32:46
Creek, we said, yeah, that sounds good if you will build some pipelines through holiday. 01:32:51
And maintain them for. 01:32:58
For as long as we have this contract in place. 01:33:00
And that would and they also had to guarantee us 1,000,000 gallons of water a day. 01:33:03
During the summer months and 700. 01:33:09
1000 gallons of water a day during the winter months. 01:33:12
So that's where the water supply sort of come and so we have some main lines that run through holiday. 01:33:15
Holiday Blvd. Highland Drive. 01:33:21
Little bit Wander Lane. Gunderson Lane. 01:33:24
Those lines were built by Salt Lake and they maintain them so when one of those lines break, we can give them a call and they come 01:33:27
out and. 01:33:30
And take care of fixing it. 01:33:34
And it works good for us and it's going great. 01:33:36
Our hope is someday that we can talk to them about replacing the lines. That would be really awesome. 01:33:39
But they keep maintaining themselves as long as they. 01:33:45
Take care of that where we're good with it. 01:33:48
The water that we have, we only have 4000 customers that we. 01:33:52
That we. 01:33:57
Deliver water to. 01:33:58
About 3000 of them are in holiday and 1000 are in Mill Creek. 01:34:00
The boundaries that were established for holiday water system. 01:34:06
Was Big Cottonwood Creek. 01:34:10
Highland Drive. 01:34:13
Mill Creek. Not the city line, but the Mill Creek. 01:34:15
And wander upper canal. 01:34:18
So we're contained within that area. 01:34:22
And our water supply. 01:34:25
A huge amount comes from Spring Creek. We have a water treatment plant up there. I'd love to have you come up and see it if you'd 01:34:28
like to check it out and see how the water's. 01:34:31
Processed and prepared for customers. 01:34:36
We also have 4 wells that. 01:34:39
During the summer months when people irrigate, we turn the wells on and that provides the additional water for everybody to water 01:34:41
their lawns and cemeteries and parks and such. 01:34:46
We and then of course we rely on that, that water delivery from Salt Lake. 01:34:51
And then they get to keep all the excess water that. 01:34:57
They don't deliver to us. 01:35:02
And it works out. Works out pretty good. 01:35:04
Our customers own us. 01:35:07
They all own shares in the company. 01:35:09
So with that they get. 01:35:12
We bill them quarterly. 01:35:16
And during the. 01:35:18
First and fourth quarter, which are the winter months. 01:35:21
They get 10,000 gallons of water for free they aren't charged for. 01:35:24
For those quarters and then in the summer quarters, the second and third quarters. 01:35:29
They get 20,000 gallons of water for free. 01:35:35
And then we go ahead and start building them. We also have a tiered. 01:35:38
Billing system so. 01:35:42
It's it's, we've changed it this past year. 01:35:45
But it's fairly liberal. I think if you looked at our rates, we don't really promote them or advertise them to anybody because the 01:35:49
only people we communicate with are our owners. 01:35:54
We don't tax them. We. 01:35:59
They just pay for our system. 01:36:02
We have 50 miles of pipe in the ground. We have a policy to try and replace a mile a year so. 01:36:04
Or not so we don't get stuck and have to rely on taxpayers and and funding to. 01:36:12
Replace the pipes when they break and when they get too old. So we're moving along pretty good. We're about halfway through 25 01:36:17
years into we've got another 25 years and then we'll have we'll start over. 01:36:22
Our when we have. 01:36:29
9 employees. 01:36:32
And we have about. 01:36:34
Five of them that four of them that work on a crew, they're the ones that go out and fix everything. 01:36:36
And we have two treatment operators that are at the plant making sure it works and we have three office staff. 01:36:42
2-3 office. 01:36:48
And our employees. 01:36:50
Half of them are over 60 years old and and. 01:36:54
Two of them have 45 years with the company and. 01:36:57
And I'm the youngest. 01:37:01
Of all of them with only six years. 01:37:03
So we do everything we can to keep them and employ them, and it'd be really nice to pay them enough to live up here. 01:37:05
But they all live within, you know, 20 minutes of holiday and so they're quick to respond. Our day crew is our night crew. 01:37:12
And they show up and as mentioned by some of the others. 01:37:19
When we have a line break, if they show up at. 01:37:24
2:00 in the morning. 01:37:27
They get down to it, they'll they'll turn the valves down, let the water flow through the line so people still have a little bit 01:37:28
of water. 01:37:32
But we don't have so much going down the road. 01:37:36
And one of the scariest things about holiday and and it. 01:37:39
It keeps me up at night. 01:37:43
Is the storm drain system and I love the fact that they're being replaced and the city's been awesome to work with because we have 01:37:45
certain. 01:37:48
Areas that are critical they they are prone to. 01:37:52
Flooding more than others in the city has been awesome with taking care of getting those. 01:37:56
As a high priority fix. 01:38:01
Have enjoyed working with Jared. He's he's good to work with. 01:38:03
I feel like we got to bend over backward a little bit to help him bend over backward and. 01:38:08
When we have a line break we try to get an asphalt at the same day we we fix it. 01:38:15
It's winter time is a tough time to get asphalt. 01:38:21
But we spend more and we keep a load of more expensive. 01:38:26
Asphalt that's designed to kind of be packed in and get the road back so we don't have the problems. 01:38:33
That occur one. 01:38:39
Dirt. You know when Rd. base is just sitting there and then gets driven over quite a bit. 01:38:41
So that's kind of how we operate. 01:38:45
And. 01:38:49
I don't know if I have anything else to say. If you have some questions, happy to answer them. 01:38:51
We got to come up with some questions. I'm just teasing that I think you're probably the only one. Leave it to me. I'll have a 01:38:58
few. That's all right. Bring it. It's OK. 01:39:03
I shouldn't even say this, but I'm going to how how did the name spelling of the name? Oh, sure, go holiday. Well, no one knew how 01:39:10
to spell it. I mean, look, John got called to go settle San Bernardino and so he took off and everybody else is kind of kept 01:39:15
growing their families here. 01:39:21
And and. 01:39:26
At the time and you even have pictures of them downstairs showing businesses with the eye in holiday, holiday service station and 01:39:28
other things like that. 01:39:32
So I think people just kind of went with what they thought they knew. I don't think it was until the 50's. The 1A genealogist came 01:39:37
along and said, well you know, on his tombstone it says, you know. 01:39:41
With an A. 01:39:46
While we're already incorporating, we want to go back. 01:39:48
Change everything and you know, so anyway, we sort of like it with the eye. I know a lot of people don't, but. 01:39:52
But we. 01:40:00
Fly stealth. We don't. 01:40:02
Promote a lot of things we don't share. Where our facilities are, we don't talk about. 01:40:03
Finances with anybody except for our shareholders and um. 01:40:08
And we just try and keep it. 01:40:12
As low low as we can. 01:40:14
So you don't want me to share right now how my rates change from when I moved 39 S to where I am? Go ahead. I'd love to hear it 01:40:16
actually. 01:40:20
I was on .6 acres and I spent in a. 01:40:24
There I spent in one. 01:40:27
Month in the summer what I spend in 1/4. 01:40:29
On .8 acres here so. 01:40:33
Was a substantial difference. 01:40:36
And I don't know if that's just the benefit of having. 01:40:38
You know. 01:40:41
Been a first. 01:40:42
Mover in being here, you know, and and and and I guess really it's just a. 01:40:43
It's a good. 01:40:47
Company for its members, I guess in the end. 01:40:48
Did I understand correctly that the whole system? 01:40:51
In theory is replaced every 50 years. That is that if you're if you're shooting for a mile a year. 01:40:53
Yeah, interesting. And when you said so, it's 4000. 01:40:58
Households is that or properties? Is that what it is total? OK, so 3000 how many do we have in? How many households are there in 01:41:02
holiday? 01:41:06
Just over 11,000 households 11,000. 01:41:10
And it's really 3000. 01:41:14
Households and businesses in holiday, we got 1000 in. So you're about 25% of holiday essentially is, is what you service then, 01:41:16
right? 01:41:19
OK. Tell us about your conservation efforts. Yeah. 01:41:24
Well, we, our shareholders. 01:41:27
We tell them. We give them tips. 01:41:30
On how to conserve energy. 01:41:33
And that's it. 01:41:34
What's the rationale for the free water? 01:41:39
Well, as I mentioned earlier on when we made the arrangement with. 01:41:42
Salt Lake City to process that water. We get 1,000,000 gallons of water coming in every day. 01:41:46
That that water's coming in doesn't cost us anything to process. And we're nonprofit. Our customers own us, so. 01:41:53
They get the water. 01:42:00
That's kind of how Alaskans don't they receive some type of oil stipend or something like that or? 01:42:01
Consistent benefit being here. 01:42:06
Yeah, similar. 01:42:09
Interesting. 01:42:16
Any other questions? 01:42:17
This is a question really for the group. Is there anything that water quality, is there anything that? 01:42:19
Shows you know. 01:42:24
How do we know? 01:42:27
I know that you can. 01:42:28
I'm sorry. 01:42:30
Enough annual reports on the on the water quality that but. 01:42:31
Is there anything? 01:42:34
That shows the comparison of like what matters when you know as far as the. 01:42:36
Yeah. 01:42:40
Yeah, well, we. 01:42:41
Even though we're privately owned, we are a public water system and so we're subject to the same. 01:42:43
Regulation through EPA and the Division of Drinking Water and. 01:42:49
And all those regulations, so all of us go through the same process as far as. 01:42:53
Meeting certain standards and we have to have the water test that we're testing weekly and we have to provide those results to the 01:42:58
state. 01:43:01
And and so, yes, then we provide those. 01:43:05
Load results in that angle and there's legal compliance, right? But then as far as knowing what the actual like? 01:43:08
Is is there any resource that? 01:43:14
Just, umm. 01:43:16
So that you know how good your water really is, I guess. As far as I don't know what. 01:43:18
The what? What the variables are that are considered? 01:43:22
Yeah, umm. 01:43:25
Well, we like to think taste is 1. 01:43:26
So we think it tastes better. 01:43:28
Especially out of the spring coming down through those. 01:43:31
Well down into Arbor. 01:43:35
Kentucky. 01:43:40
Boys, all those old areas of holiday. 01:43:42
But. 01:43:46
But as far as anything else goes, as long as you meet EPA standards and such as far as the. 01:43:47
Cleanliness of the water, that's. 01:43:54
Pretty much what's. 01:43:56
That's all this reported, essentially. 01:43:57
Yeah, OK. 01:43:59
All right. 01:44:05
Thank you. Thank you very much. 01:44:06
All right. 01:44:10
We reviewed Title 7 earlier. 01:44:12
Calendar. Is there anything else that we need to cover tonight? 01:44:15
I will take a motion to adjourn. Madam Mayor Bruton, I do adjourn. 01:44:19
Second, all in favor? 01:44:24