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Driving some change on the. 00:00:06
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Right chair, everybody. 00:01:05
Technology investment. 00:01:12
All right, all right, we going. 00:01:19
We're good. 00:01:27
All right, good afternoon and welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission. 00:01:28
Work meeting Tuesday, July 15th. 00:01:32
2025 we have an action-packed agenda tonight with. 00:01:36
Six public hearing items and two. 00:01:42
Action items at the tail end of that. 00:01:47
So we're going to see how much information we can absorb in the next 24 minutes before we get ready for our regular meeting. 00:01:49
And with attendance tonight, we have. 00:01:58
Commissioner Gong, Commissioner Prince and Commissioner Font myself, so it will have to be unanimous votes. 00:02:02
For anything to move forward. 00:02:08
And with that, the first item that we have to dive into is the Russell Corner subdivision. 00:02:12
Preliminary plan and flat. 00:02:17
Who's going to lead us off? 00:02:20
OK. So agenda wise. 00:02:22
I am taking the first two items and then John will be. 00:02:24
The guide for the next few items. 00:02:27
OK, so Russell Corner subdivision, this is a lot. That's over 16,000 square feet. 00:02:30
R18 zone. 00:02:36
8000 square foot minimum lot size. 00:02:38
Dimensions on frontage are all met by the 2 watts. 00:02:41
There's a dedication area on Russell St. 00:02:46
That will, so right now it's within the. 00:02:49
Property. 00:02:53
That will be dedicated, so there will then be a sidewalk requirement. 00:02:54
On the plat, so we'll get sidewalk improvements on that. 00:02:59
And corner improvement. So that will now have an ADA ramp and. 00:03:02
And wrap around that whole corner there so. 00:03:07
Great positive. 00:03:10
Things there with the subdivision and otherwise it meets all of the minimum requirements for the zone. 00:03:11
Are there any questions? 00:03:18
From the Commission. 00:03:19
I did not get to make a site visit on this one admittedly, but is there existing sidewalk that the new sidewalk will be adjoining 00:03:22
to? 00:03:26
There is existing sidewalk on the Russell Circle side. 00:03:30
No sidewalk on Russell Street, so it kind of dead ends at. 00:03:34
The previous property next door to it. 00:03:39
So. 00:03:41
It's kind of the final connecting piece around the corner. 00:03:42
So the circle set and then where the sidewalk ends will be here. 00:03:45
Yes, OK. 00:03:49
And the right Commissioners on the other questions, on the first one. 00:03:51
Looks pretty straightforward. All right, Moving on to this next one, Hinkley Estates subdivision. 00:03:55
Concept. 00:04:00
OK on this one. 00:04:01
I just wanted to make sure we. 00:04:04
Process clear on this because this is items number 2-3 and four. 00:04:05
I'll review this with the public as well so that they know that there's three public hearings associated with this. 00:04:10
They can. You might have a mix of comments. 00:04:17
Based off of wherever they are, I would assume. 00:04:20
Most comments on the first one. 00:04:23
That's some of the comments may be appropriate for the PUD element which is the second hearing. 00:04:25
So the first public hearing is to establish the. 00:04:30
Legal amount of units. 00:04:34
Or lots that could be. 00:04:37
Present on the property based off of the zone. 00:04:39
Requirements. 00:04:42
So once the fiber access was taken out. 00:04:43
Of the total land area. 00:04:47
There is enough there shown. 00:04:49
The applicant shows three different concept studies. 00:04:52
But. 00:04:56
The most that can fit on there is 6. 00:04:56
So that has been the base. 00:04:59
Number of flowing units. 00:05:01
That would be legally allowed. 00:05:03
Based off of the total land area. 00:05:04
So approval or denial of that you're just. 00:05:07
Basing it on. 00:05:11
Doesn't meet the legal requirements of the zone. You're establishing the density. 00:05:13
Likely a public comment from a neighbor about the easement there because that is a private road. 00:05:18
Their easement currently. 00:05:25
Has access for two parcels, so. 00:05:27
I spoke with that neighbor. They will likely just mention that as their public comment for that. 00:05:30
So there's kind of a restricting. 00:05:35
Self restricting element on. 00:05:37
The number of properties that can even access. 00:05:39
From outside. 00:05:42
Which then guides that PD element or. 00:05:44
The applicant's decision to just do 2. 00:05:46
Dwelling units. 00:05:49
For that so. 00:05:50
If that easement ever changed. 00:05:52
Then there's potential that. 00:05:54
The PUD container anyway. There's. 00:05:56
The beauty or the? 00:05:59
Easement self limits. 00:06:00
The number of dwellings. 00:06:02
Kerry can ask you a question about that. 00:06:04
So there are two. 00:06:06
The two existing homes. 00:06:09
Up there, yes. 00:06:10
But they're not. 00:06:11
One is the I think handsome property and then. 00:06:13
So Sean, do you want to go to when you drive up that? 00:06:18
Yeah, Gravelly Rd. 00:06:22
There's there's a total of. 00:06:24
Let's see. 00:06:27
So there's. 00:06:29
When you go off of the public. 00:06:31
Public there's a. 00:06:32
Fence right there and then you're. 00:06:34
So there's one house that's on the public Rd. 00:06:36
Then there's a parcel. 00:06:39
That's related to. 00:06:41
That house. 00:06:42
Owner owns both of those. 00:06:44
Then there's another person up in the corner on that same side. 00:06:46
On the east side of the road, that is Christian Hansen. That's. 00:06:50
Off on that side. 00:06:56
So the applicant and their property is on the West side of that private easement or private road. 00:06:57
So right now their configuration of lots is. 00:07:04
You know stats. 00:07:07
In front of each other. 00:07:09
So there. 00:07:10
Essentially switching those around. 00:07:11
So that's two houses can be accessed directly from. 00:07:13
The private road. 00:07:18
Instead of having to go. 00:07:20
For Edmond driveway back. 00:07:21
And then accessing. 00:07:23
From the from the north side. 00:07:25
The other two houses. 00:07:28
So that one doesn't show. 00:07:30
The uh. 00:07:32
New house that's on though. 00:07:33
West side on Sleepy Hollow. 00:07:35
Just it was built in the last. 00:07:39
Two years, I believe. One year. 00:07:41
And then the house that you can see there. 00:07:47
Not the White Roof house. 00:07:50
That the house next door within the blue boundary. 00:07:51
That is Gene Hinckley's house. Who's? 00:07:54
Owns all the property. 00:07:57
Family property and. 00:07:59
The two parcels that they're reconfiguring are related parcels. 00:08:01
To that house. So since they're just related parcels, they're not. 00:08:06
Buildable legal property at this point. So that's then what is this? 00:08:10
Kind of starting the subdivision process, right, But my question was the comment that you just made about the easement that the 00:08:15
easement allows. 00:08:19
Two homes currently. 00:08:22
Yes, access. 00:08:24
OK, yeah, let me explain her. Yeah. 00:08:26
So there. 00:08:29
Yeah, their easement has it involves 4 parcels, so it calls out four parcels specifically. 00:08:30
That at its. 00:08:37
The two parcels that are. 00:08:39
They're changing the configuration. 00:08:42
The Hanson's parcel and then the Hinckley parcel up on the north side, OK. 00:08:45
So those are the four parcels. 00:08:50
Those 4 parcels will remain with an easement on that. 00:08:52
Yes. 00:08:57
So this House and. 00:09:00
This watch stay over. 00:09:03
They'll throw this on their property so. 00:09:05
Their controlling fit? 00:09:08
Easement access, they say. Hinkley, please. 00:09:10
Please. 00:09:13
So this is. 00:09:14
Delta box, OK. 00:09:15
So there's this one and this one. 00:09:17
Public roads us here. 00:09:19
Private road into this section. 00:09:21
So they own this section of the private road. This is the Hanson property. 00:09:24
They own that section of OK. 00:09:28
So this House already has access on that section. 00:09:31
It can remain, but they're bringing their access in. So it's completely off of that. So if this House, even though it has access 00:09:35
here currently. 00:09:39
They're moving the access off of that site. 00:09:43
So it's. 00:09:47
No, no access will be on this section of the. 00:09:48
So. 00:09:54
This existing easement. 00:09:55
Has access with this lot. 00:09:58
This was and these two blocks. 00:10:00
Those is the same number. 00:10:04
Thank you. 00:10:07
Make sense? 00:10:07
Hopefully. 00:10:09
There's money, there's money. 00:10:12
Text I interrupted your flow. 00:10:17
So easement access that was mentioned in that first kind of establishing that. 00:10:20
That it kind of limits how many units would be there anyway or how many parcels. 00:10:25
Could be allowed based off of what the current easement is. 00:10:30
Of course, easements can change if all parties agree to it. 00:10:34
So but as is. 00:10:37
That's just that. Second public hearing will be for the PUD element. 00:10:40
Beauties are conditional use permits, so. 00:10:46
Generally. 00:10:50
We're looking at. 00:10:51
Imposing conditions or mitigation factors. 00:10:52
For impacts. 00:10:56
So comments that are related to, you know, some of the privacy or. 00:10:57
Other things like. 00:11:03
Those are impacts. 00:11:04
And maybe thinking about what could be some mitigation pack? 00:11:06
Or potential impacts on neighboring properties. 00:11:10
Would be appropriate conditions that you could place as a as a Commission based off of some of the comments you hear. 00:11:14
So that. 00:11:21
As you're considering that listening to those comments, it's. 00:11:22
That hearing specifically is for the PUD. 00:11:25
And as a conditional use. 00:11:28
So then moving into the. 00:11:32
Third one is the. 00:11:34
If there's conditions that are placed within that PD if it's approved. 00:11:37
Then that's where those conditions are then up. 00:11:42
Lives to a subdivision, perhaps, and that is the third public hearing. 00:11:44
The third motion. 00:11:50
For. 00:11:51
A subdivision. 00:11:53
That incorporates that. 00:11:54
Beauty elements. 00:11:56
How is the PUD? 00:12:00
Element related to the easement. 00:12:02
In this case. 00:12:07
Doesn't have a lot of. 00:12:09
It's it's that they're taking all of their. 00:12:13
Access and putting it onto their property they've worked out. 00:12:15
Easement access that's outside of their property. 00:12:20
Owner SO. 00:12:24
Based off of their existing easement. 00:12:26
Those. 00:12:29
2 new lots that would be created that are. 00:12:30
Legal billable lots. 00:12:32
Still have access with that easement. 00:12:35
In their concept, you can see it's just shortened. 00:12:38
So the two wives instead of having. 00:12:41
The full length of that. 00:12:44
Private road access. 00:12:47
They're turning it into be entirely on their property, so they're. 00:12:48
Creating an additional. 00:12:52
20 foot. 00:12:54
White Rd. inside their property. 00:12:55
That. 00:12:59
Minimal amounts that they're using on that existing easement. 00:13:00
John, if you want to go to the concept, I can point that out. 00:13:07
Concept Ortho. 00:13:11
Civil sets. Either one will work. 00:13:13
Yeah. 00:13:15
Yeah, that works. 00:13:18
So originally. 00:13:22
This property, this property, this property and this property. 00:13:24
Would have access. 00:13:29
Here Umm. 00:13:31
So they're modifying. 00:13:34
There's no more access like. Access will end at this property line. 00:13:36
Then this House will have access on that. 00:13:40
He went and this house. 00:13:44
Making the same access. 00:13:46
I go back here. 00:13:48
So these three properties. 00:13:50
Are going to utilize. 00:13:52
Dispatch access, dispatch access just depending on how that. 00:13:55
We're after visit. 00:13:58
So instead of using this full length of the easements access. 00:14:00
That will be torn down just to accommodate their turn. 00:14:05
But all three of these. 00:14:10
Houses will have easement agreement. 00:14:12
With this property owner. 00:14:15
To access this section before. 00:14:17
Thank you. Can I ask another question about that? Yeah. 00:14:22
I can see that some parts are labeled install sign. 00:14:24
Filing no parking but I couldn't tell where it applied to so. 00:14:27
Are they going to be able to park? 00:14:30
I mean would. 00:14:32
Would either would work in front of the houses or no. They're going to be long stretches where they. 00:14:33
There's no street parking. 00:14:37
Your fighter access and that's just hatched parts. 00:14:41
20 wide. 00:14:44
And then whatever the link is, but it's 20 feet. 00:14:45
Here and here so. 00:14:48
The minimum or the amount that's required for fire access can't have any. 00:14:50
So that's why you got this area of driveway over here, so they do have space to park. 00:14:55
I think some driveway over here. 00:15:00
Heart care. 00:15:03
But anywhere where there's higher access, we want to be able to park. 00:15:05
And then of course. 00:15:09
This is just an easement, it's not their property so they wouldn't be able to park cars along here unless they had. 00:15:10
An agreement. 00:15:16
Do you spell without a property owner? 00:15:17
Which is would be private. 00:15:19
Thanks. 00:15:22
OK, so with that. 00:15:27
Level of review. 00:15:31
What questions do you have that you thought would be helpful for me to answer? 00:15:33
5 minutes. 00:15:38
I think that's really the biggest thing on that was. 00:15:41
You know when you have private roads and easements, it's. 00:15:44
Just making sure that there is access. 00:15:46
For the dwelling units that are being created. 00:15:49
And, umm. 00:15:52
In this case, the the neighbors agreed. 00:15:54
This is what the easement is. It already exists. They're going to maintain it. 00:15:57
The property owner doing the PUD will. 00:16:02
Improve that lane so it's not going to be just a gravel lane, it will be asphalt. 00:16:05
Improved for fire access. 00:16:11
And the Fire Marshall reviewed the plan and said that how they have that configured. 00:16:14
Meets all the requirements for fire access. 00:16:19
One more question, yeah. 00:16:23
You just give us a. 00:16:24
Teeny bit of tutorialist. 00:16:26
By a PUD versus just a standard. 00:16:29
This is the zoning in the area. 00:16:33
The main thing on this one is that they wanted to create a lot. 00:16:35
Just one of their lots. 00:16:41
Does not meet the 80 foot wide width. 00:16:43
The biggest difference? 00:16:47
All that they would need to do. 00:16:48
Meet these standards subdivision. 00:16:50
Is ship this plane? 00:16:52
Diagonally like. 00:16:56
Maybe 20 years. 00:16:58
Maybe 30 feet. 00:16:59
It's just a preference on how they want to. 00:17:02
Sell property, but it does put. 00:17:05
It does also create some restrictions for them if they had. 00:17:08
Standard bots they could do. 00:17:12
Accessory structures that. 00:17:14
You know 4 or 5 or 6 feet from property lines on. 00:17:16
Any of those lots? 00:17:19
They could do. 00:17:21
Yeah, it's they're they're building area would be. 00:17:25
Much larger. 00:17:28
Then they're restricting themselves to. 00:17:30
I think on a 10,000 square foot lot a rear yard set back is. 00:17:32
25 feet 35. 00:17:38
Do you know Uptown? 00:17:40
Yeah. So the rear yard on that front property is I think 55 feet is what I measured it up. 00:17:42
So there's. 00:17:49
They're increasing their. 00:17:50
Their green space. 00:17:51
And limiting their building space for themselves. 00:17:53
Are the setbacks on the sides of the PUD? 00:17:56
Umm, application. 00:18:00
Being reduced at all versus what they would be if it was standard. 00:18:02
A standard 80 foot wide. 00:18:06
Lots which they could create for any of these on the. 00:18:09
Top one if they moved their lot line over. 00:18:13
They could do that without any subdivision process. 00:18:16
And have a 10,000 square foot lot. 00:18:18
The house that's there would be all the setbacks and it would have a four foot accessory building set back. 00:18:21
An 8 foot standard primary building set back. 00:18:28
So. 00:18:32
On their perimeters. 00:18:33
They kind of use that 80 foot. 00:18:34
Minimum lot size. 00:18:36
810 thousand square foot lot to determine what. 00:18:38
Those setbacks would be. 00:18:42
And, umm. 00:18:44
With the plans. 00:18:46
I mean, there's, there's a lot of trees that are on that. 00:18:48
South side specifically. 00:18:51
Umm, potentially open to. 00:18:53
Increasing trees long there are replanting trees just to make sure that that's still. 00:18:56
Maintained US private space that you're you're welcome. 00:18:59
Discuss that with the applicant too. 00:19:02
So just to clarify. 00:19:05
The umm. 00:19:07
Proposal in the PUD does not. 00:19:09
Increase or decrease setbacks from what would already be applicable if they just move lot lines around. 00:19:12
Right, right. OK. 00:19:18
Thank you. 00:19:20
My question. 00:19:22
Is since I'm not an engineer. 00:19:23
What is the? 00:19:25
2 cylinder round things with the. 00:19:27
Squishy lines. 00:19:31
On the left end of both of those two lots. 00:19:33
Oh, so that was this is an older plan. There's an updated one in the addendum that I sent out yesterday. 00:19:38
That their engineer included storm water. 00:19:46
That's a stormwater thing, OK. I couldn't find it in the key to have it on there. And our RCB engineer looked at those and said 00:19:50
you don't need those. 00:19:54
Take them off. 00:19:58
It would be done. 00:19:59
Some people on a subdivision will do like a centralized system and incorporate it under the road. 00:20:01
Or nearby a road. We've seen a couple like that. 00:20:07
Other subdivisions will have it managed. 00:20:10
Per building blocks. 00:20:13
So the city engineer will review that and check with the. 00:20:14
Applicant. 00:20:17
Finalizing their plat. 00:20:18
As to. 00:20:20
How they want to have down their storm water. 00:20:21
In this case, likely per building lot, but it doesn't have to be located. 00:20:23
In that specific location, so it doesn't need to be on the. 00:20:28
All right with the 5 minutes we have left. 00:20:32
John, do you want to walk us through the holiday hills? 00:20:37
Sure you have. 00:20:43
Two site plans. 00:20:45
Each on different blocks from the Royal Holiday Hills. 00:20:47
Redevelopment site. 00:20:50
Block C is a site plan amendment, subdivision amendment. They're adding a new. 00:20:52
Retail pad for a retail center that complies with the STMP so you'll be looking at. 00:20:56
Site plan elements for that. 00:21:03
Parking, landscaping and architecture for that building. 00:21:04
The second site plan which is item. 00:21:09
7 is an amendment. 00:21:12
You reviewed. 00:21:14
And approved block K. 00:21:15
Which is the eastern most? 00:21:18
Side up against memory lane. 00:21:20
That has both single family homes and what you. 00:21:22
Proved previously as. 00:21:26
Multifamily complex buildings, flats. 00:21:27
Applicants now coming back and revising that plan to not have. 00:21:30
Multifamily complex buildings, but. 00:21:35
Telephones, so you'll need to review the site plan for NM as an amendment for. 00:21:38
The change in unit types. 00:21:43
And a reduction in units might going from. 00:21:46
193 I believe. 00:21:48
And then the architecture for those so. 00:21:51
Road layout, everything else. 00:21:53
Remain the same the. 00:21:55
Remain the same, just the style the architecture changed. 00:21:57
And then item 6 is actually a. 00:22:01
You'll be recommending. 00:22:04
To the City Council for the SDL. 00:22:05
The STMP has some needs, some clarity on parking pages. 00:22:09
Within that document. 00:22:14
Specifically as it relates to the uppermost. 00:22:16
Northwest corner at Murray Holiday and Highland. 00:22:18
There's a large swath of block A. 00:22:22
That is designated as surface parking. 00:22:24
And the concept plan, the applicant is looking to have some retail buildings up right up at the corner. 00:22:28
Some smaller, a couple of smaller pads. 00:22:33
But the parking element? 00:22:36
Limits development there to service parking only. 00:22:38
So we're making an amendment to that SDMP to. 00:22:41
Exclude parking for probably like. 00:22:45
That's 30 to 40%. 00:22:48
Of that, block a so that the rest of it can be both. 00:22:50
Parking and building. 00:22:53
Lots. Commercial building Lots. 00:22:55
I'll show you the images for that when we get to it. 00:22:59
Then the other second part of that would be. 00:23:02
And the SDMP, it has locations for project signage around the perimeter of the of the. 00:23:05
The site along Marine Holiday Rd. 00:23:10
Along Island Drive. 00:23:12
There's an entrance. 00:23:13
To the site just up from Highland Drive on Murray Holiday Rd. 00:23:15
Which? 00:23:19
They would like to have a monument sign placed there. 00:23:20
It's not included on the STMP. It was excluded for some reason and they're asking and put it back in. 00:23:23
To that spot. 00:23:28
So that's essentially what the item 6 is. 00:23:30
So 2 site plans and then a text amendment for the SDMP. 00:23:34
And the action item on block K. 00:23:39
Approval of an amended site plan. 00:23:44
So that would be a preliminary. 00:23:47
And then will the staff can take care of the civil side. 00:23:48
Which really doesn't change either. 00:23:51
I had any questions on the holiday hills. 00:23:56
Items. 00:23:59
OK, I see. 00:24:01
We also had approval of minutes from the April 15th meeting that took every fiber of my being to try and remember 3 months ago 00:24:05
because it's just been that kind of summer for me. But. 00:24:10
For those in attendance and. 00:24:15
Ever viewed those minutes? Were there any? 00:24:19
Items on there that anyone notice needed correction? 00:24:21
I didn't see anything. 00:24:24
OK, well that should be an easy motion when the time comes then. 00:24:25
All right, with that, looks like you're right about the. 00:24:30
The hours walk. 00:24:34
Close our work meeting. 00:24:35
OK, OK. 00:24:49
All right. And with that. 00:24:50
John, are we ready to just roll straight into the? 00:24:52
Official. 00:24:54
All righty. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission. 00:24:57
Meeting Tuesday, July 15th. 00:25:02
We have four of our Commissioners present. 00:25:05
Which means we meet the needs for a quorum, however. 00:25:09
All votes will need to be unanimous for anything to move forward. 00:25:13
And. 00:25:18
With that we have. 00:25:19
Umm 6 public hearing items, three of them related to the same. 00:25:21
Application. 00:25:27
But the first one we have on our before I get into that, we do have a statement we read for the members of the public and I have 00:25:28
asked Commissioner Funk to go ahead and read that for us. 00:25:33
The City of Holiday Planning Commission. 00:25:39
Is it on now? Yeah. 00:25:48
The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board whose function is to review. 00:25:50
Land use plans and other special studies. 00:25:56
Make recommendations to the City Council and proposed zoning, map and ordinance changes. 00:25:59
And approve conditional uses and subdivisions. 00:26:04
The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications. 00:26:08
Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted. 00:26:12
Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings. 00:26:15
Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda. 00:26:20
Where the location? The nature of the neighborhood? 00:26:24
Existing structures and uses related to the proposed change are noted. 00:26:26
Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the. 00:26:32
Professional planning staff. 00:26:36
The city's general plan. 00:26:38
Zoning ordinance and other reports. 00:26:40
By all verbal and written comments. 00:26:43
And by evidence submitted. 00:26:45
All of which are part of. 00:26:47
The public record. 00:26:49
Thank you very much, Commissioner Wants. 00:26:50
All right, and with no further ado. 00:26:53
We have. 00:26:56
Item number 1, Russell Corner Subdivision located at 4585 S Russell Street and I believe 60 staff carry is going to. 00:26:59
Walk us through the details of that. 00:27:08
Thank you, Chairman Roche. 00:27:14
So item number 1, Russell Corner Subdivision. 00:27:16
This is a 2 lot subdivision. 00:27:20
Located on the corner of Russell Street and Russell Corner. 00:27:23
Or Russell circle. 00:27:27
And it is in the R18 zone. 00:27:29
The R18 zone. 00:27:32
Requires an 8000 square foot minimum lot size. 00:27:34
The property in question is sized at 16,000. 00:27:39
See the society highlight and I didn't highlight. 00:27:46
It's over 16,000 square feet. 00:27:48
The so dividing it into two. 00:27:51
Does still meet that minimum 8000 square feet per Watt? 00:27:56
There's an area on Russell Street that would need to be dedicated, so that would be dedicated to the public right of way. 00:28:00
And sidewalk improvements would be required as part of the subdivision. 00:28:07
So the sidewalk would carry through on Russell St. 00:28:12
And around the corner and incorporate an ADA ramp at that corner. 00:28:16
With this improvement. 00:28:19
One lot will face onto Russell Circle. 00:28:21
And the other lot will face onto Russell. 00:28:24
Straight. 00:28:28
They're both accessible by public roadways. 00:28:31
And, umm. 00:28:34
Fire requirements are all. 00:28:36
Utility letters have all been submitted. They weren't included in the package. They were still working on getting some of those, 00:28:39
but I got those from the applicant today so they have. 00:28:43
Water approval from Holiday Water. 00:28:48
Power approval from Rocky Mountain Power. Sewer approval from Mount Olympus. 00:28:50
And, umm. 00:28:55
Gas approval from Anchorage. So we've got all those approval letters to meet those requirements. 00:28:57
The city engineer has reviewed all their engineering details and approved those. 00:29:03
And, umm. 00:29:08
Other than that. 00:29:09
They are pretty. 00:29:10
That for meeting all the legal requirements. 00:29:13
I'll have that applicant come up and you can. 00:29:16
Talk a little bit more about the project and if you have any questions you're welcome to. 00:29:19
Discussed with him All right thank you With that we'll invite Mark snow or. 00:29:23
Representative thereof. 00:29:27
My name is Mark. 00:29:33
Mark Snow. 00:29:34
Any questions? 00:29:37
Oh well, he's the applicant. We have his address right on the applicant for the registration project. 00:29:42
Umm, all right. And so it's currently just one property. 00:29:49
Or one home on these? 00:29:53
This law that you're looking to subdivide, correct? 00:29:54
OK. 00:29:57
Seems pretty straightforward to me. Commissioners in the end. 00:29:58
Questions for the applicant the. 00:30:01
All right. Well, that was brief, but thank you for coming up. We'll have you sit down. Thank you. 00:30:04
That and with that, we'll open the public hearing. 00:30:08
Any members of the public that wish to speak on the Russell Corner subdivision are welcome to come up and do so. 00:30:12
Just as a reminder for anyone who does come up for public comment, we ask that you state your name and address for the record. 00:30:18
And that you try and keep your comments to 3 minutes or less and try not to repeat any. 00:30:24
Comments that were made earlier. 00:30:30
So with that. 00:30:32
Is there anyone here this evening wishing to speak on this first agenda item? 00:30:33
Yeah. 00:30:40
My name is Robin Bechtold, I live on 4572 S Russell St. 00:30:52
There were supposed to be more neighbors here, but I guess I'm the one. 00:31:00
The one thing we wonder for? 00:31:05
Is that? 00:31:07
Will this meet? 00:31:09
The height restrictions. 00:31:11
And the set back restrictions. 00:31:13
And will the homes be designed to feel? 00:31:16
It into the neighborhood and I don't know. 00:31:20
If that's something that the public can put input on. 00:31:23
And it says on here that it's going to be two family homes. 00:31:27
One of the things that's happening in our neighborhood is that we're having. 00:31:33
We're being inundated by Airbnb's. 00:31:37
So and I understood. 00:31:40
That that was. 00:31:43
Something in holiday that we were supposed to be working on. 00:31:44
But I may be wrong. 00:31:47
So. 00:31:49
How do we know it's going to fit in with the design of the neighborhood? 00:31:50
That's it. 00:31:54
All right. Appreciate your comments. Thank you very much. 00:31:55
Are there any other comments this evening for this? 00:31:59
All right, and with that will. 00:32:03
Go ahead and close the public hearing and invite the applicant back up if he wishes to. 00:32:07
Address any of the questions or comments that were made by the public. 00:32:11
So as of right now, we've met all the criteria of the setbacks. 00:32:18
There's a legal height requirement set by Holiday City where it will meet that. 00:32:22
Umm, that they're going to be just traditional houses. We've got a couple houses, audience and holiday. 00:32:27
Be a great family house for. 00:32:36
Couple of good families. 00:32:37
OK. All right. Thank you very much. 00:32:39
And I'll just turn the city staff real quick. As far as the Airbnb question that was posed on that, if I'm not mistaken, aren't 00:32:41
Airbnb supposed to be on a certain Rd. type and permit it? 00:32:47
Absolutely have that our. 00:32:52
Existing code for short term rentals is. 00:32:54
That they would have to be located in an R2 which is a two family or an RM which is multifamily zone. 00:32:58
A second requirement is that they also have to be on a street that is 60 feet wide or wider. 00:33:05
Most neighborhood streets are. 00:33:13
50 feet wide. 00:33:15
So that. 00:33:15
There's a second kind of disqualifier there. 00:33:17
The third thing is if it meets both of those requirements. 00:33:20
Then it does go to the Planning Commission for a conditional use permit. 00:33:24
So we have a record of conditional use permits for any operating short term rentals that they I think we have. 00:33:30
Three in the city currently. 00:33:36
All in our two zones. 00:33:39
Or RM zones on major growths. 00:33:41
So anything that is operating in single family neighborhoods or just. 00:33:43
Neighborhoods in general. 00:33:47
Are not permitted. 00:33:49
And if you have concerns with those? 00:33:51
Talk with your council representative. 00:33:54
So take that to council. Don't send an ad to the code enforcement officer. You can report it in code enforcement. Sometimes it's a 00:33:57
little bit tricky to enforce on, but. 00:34:01
We're also happy to. 00:34:05
To take. 00:34:07
The citizen request section on the city's website so. 00:34:08
All right. Thank you. 00:34:11
So education for those. 00:34:13
Concerned about that one, so thank you very much for the comments. 00:34:14
With the. 00:34:18
Public hearing closed and rebuttal from the applicant Commissioners. Any additional questions for staff or the applicant at this 00:34:20
time? 00:34:23
All right. And any discussion to have. 00:34:28
I think to me this just seems like. 00:34:33
A reasonable subdivision. 00:34:37
Umm, the lot sizes are within the zone. 00:34:39
Seems very accessible from both roads. 00:34:44
I think there are always concerns about. 00:34:47
Having things change and has been more dense and they they were but. 00:34:49
It seems like having two houses on that size of lot would fit in with the. 00:34:53
The the neighboring the neighboring density character. 00:34:57
To me. 00:35:02
I agree, upside. 00:35:03
Getting the sidewalk downside, maybe losing some of the tree canopy, but you know. 00:35:05
I'm sure whatever. 00:35:09
Homes are put there in the future, will have lots of trees and it'll be forested again one day so. 00:35:11
All right. 00:35:16
Well, with that, does anyone want to go ahead and make a motion on this? 00:35:17
OK. Thank you. 00:35:20
I motion to Oh, let's make sure I'm gonna say more. 00:35:23
I motion to approve the preliminary. 00:35:26
Application by Mark Snow for Russell Corner A2 lot subdivision located at 4585 S Russell Street and the R18 zone. 00:35:30
Based upon the findings. 00:35:39
Umm, that development details required for preliminary and final plat have been submitted and reviewed by the C. 00:35:41
Each of the lots requires the minimum width and area for single family home development in the R18 zone. 00:35:49
The development complies with the general plan designation of low density residential stable. 00:35:55
Fire access is existing, labeled and approved by UFA. 00:36:00
And vehicular access through public roads, utility easements and right of way improvements have been provided. 00:36:04
Also within one year in accordance with 13.10 eight point. 00:36:10
070.8 to. 00:36:14
To complete administrative review and approval of the final Plat by the Community and Economic Development Director. 00:36:17
Following the positive written recommendation of NTRC. 00:36:22
Mr. Commissioner Prince. 00:36:25
Question for Brad. Did we need to note the sidewalk improvements in our findings? 00:36:27
Or is that? 00:36:33
Or they just required? 00:36:35
OK. Thank you. Then I second the motion. 00:36:37
All right, we have a motion and a second. We'll go ahead and call for a vote. We'll start down here. Commissioner for us. Aye, 00:36:40
Commissioner Prince. 00:36:44
And Chair Roach votes aye. And so with that, that measure passes. Thank you very much. 00:36:48
All right. And then in my own self-interest of drinking too much water, I'm going to call for a quick 5 minute break so we can 00:36:53
freshen up before we get to the what I suspect is largely readily attended vent here. So we will be back in four or five minutes. 00:37:01
Good idea. 00:37:18
Stop. 00:37:27
So. 00:38:54
Pizza. 00:39:35
I. 00:39:46
I. 00:39:54
How much is the house? 00:39:58
Good for you. 00:40:12
Creep slots. 00:40:16
I'm going to tell you when I come back with. 00:40:24
Normally it's not library. 00:40:27
Yeah. 00:40:34
Kim. 00:40:40
She couldn't clouds. 00:40:47
Dennis, question for you on this. Sorry, Commissioner, Chair. 00:40:55
Construction. Do you want to go through the procedure on the three items or would you like me to do that? 00:40:58
Are the three separate items for the. 00:41:06
Next. 00:41:07
So we've got three different here. 00:41:09
Yeah, do you want me to provide a? 00:41:12
Briefing on how that procedure will go for each of the three or do you want to do that? 00:41:14
I was thinking you would address each item as it came. OK. 00:41:20
That work? Yep. 00:41:23
Just so it's. 00:41:25
Nice and clean, yes. 00:41:26
There's no overlapping muddy water. 00:41:28
Great. 00:41:30
Yes. 00:41:34
Appreciate it. 00:41:37
All right. Well, welcome back everybody. Thank you for the, uh. 00:41:38
Patients during a quick break. 00:41:42
We're all fresh and ready to move. 00:41:44
Item number 2, which is the Hinckley Estates residential subdivision concept. 00:41:47
Plan and Carrie is going to, or I should say tomorrow, she's going to walk us through that. 00:41:52
Thank you, Chair. 00:42:02
Whew. All right. 00:42:04
So, umm. 00:42:07
Overall Project Review This is a project that has come before the Planning Commission before, so you should be. 00:42:09
Somewhat very familiar with it. 00:42:15
The applicant is applying for a PUD subdivision. 00:42:18
As part of that process. 00:42:22
We'll first look at a. 00:42:25
Concept, uh. 00:42:27
Subdivision layout with. 00:42:28
The R110 zone standards. 00:42:30
So the project involves. 00:42:32
Four different parcels. 00:42:35
And they are located at. 00:42:36
4888 S Florida 4880 S Flora Banda. 00:42:39
4890 S Bunda. 00:42:45
And. 00:42:48
Than one on Sleepy Hollow 2830 Sleepy Hollow. 00:42:50
The property is all owned by. 00:42:54
The same family. 00:42:56
Different ownership that was in the same family. 00:42:58
There's two parcels. 00:43:00
That are. 00:43:02
Currently just related parcels so they're not legal buildable. 00:43:03
Parcels currently. 00:43:07
So part of creating. 00:43:08
Legal Purchasable. 00:43:11
Property. Umm. 00:43:12
The applicant has gotten started this. 00:43:14
Subdivision process and opted to. 00:43:16
Their subdivision as a beauty. 00:43:19
So first step in that the concept. 00:43:21
Subdivision. 00:43:25
This is where. 00:43:26
The application is reviewed for. 00:43:30
The legal requirements. 00:43:32
Under the R110 zone. 00:43:34
The R110 zone requires a 10,000 square foot minimum lot size. 00:43:36
And 80 foot wide lot with a 60 foot. 00:43:40
Wide St. Frontage. 00:43:45
So the applicants laid out. 00:43:48
Layout with six lots that are all over the 10,000 square feet. They all have prior access. 00:43:52
The areas all have the required frontage and the required slot width. 00:44:00
So with that, that's how we establish the allowed number of units within the. 00:44:05
The Total PUD project. 00:44:12
So in this case after taking out fire access. 00:44:14
Are 6 units that would be allowed conceptually in the PUD project area? 00:44:17
And the applicant is just applying for. 00:44:22
Of the six. 00:44:25
Correct. Yes. 00:44:26
OK. And. 00:44:27
No matter how they dice up and angle and get creative with lot line adjustments et cetera, they have the fire access with the 00:44:29
easement on the roads regardless, right? 00:44:34
OK. Yeah. So the property is accessed through a private road with existing? 00:44:39
Access easements on it. 00:44:45
The existing easement. 00:44:47
Allows for it calls out specifically for parcels. 00:44:48
That is the original. 00:44:53
Property owner. 00:44:56
Umm, Miss Hinkley? That's on the far. 00:44:58
Northwest Side. 00:45:00
The property owner that's on the north. 00:45:02
East Side. 00:45:05
And then the two parcels that are related parcels currently. So those are all designated in the existing easement. 00:45:06
And so the applicant is just working with that. 00:45:13
Same amount of numbers so that that easement doesn't change. 00:45:16
So the legal. 00:45:20
Right for 6 units. 00:45:21
But that you've meant kind of research that's just down to a total of four with those two additional parcels? 00:45:24
So that's been what we'll see in their beauty concepts. 00:45:29
These minimum stone standard, that's kind of the first step in that process. 00:45:36
Any more questions for me? 00:45:40
All right, we're ready. 00:45:42
Will have the applicant come up then. 00:45:46
All right, with that, we'll invite. 00:45:48
Dee Rennie Woo. 00:45:50
Representative thereof to come forward and. 00:45:53
Add anything we need to know about this. 00:45:56
Yeah, thank you, Commissioner Roche. My name is Christian Reading. This is my wife. 00:45:58
It's nice to see you. 00:46:02
Again after a couple months. 00:46:04
Thanks for your time and help through the process so far. 00:46:06
When we met a couple of months ago, we were given three items to address. 00:46:09
The road access, fire access and tree canopy which will address in the later. 00:46:13
Agenda items. 00:46:17
For this, we first wanted to show. 00:46:19
That we are legally entitled. 00:46:22
To six lots in this subdivision. 00:46:23
So the community. 00:46:26
And committee are aware of. 00:46:28
Potential different outcomes aside from the one that we are proposing. 00:46:30
According to the R110 zone requirement and set back. 00:46:38
Our total size is 71,000. 00:46:43
642 square footage, which could potentially turn into 7. 00:46:45
Lot but due to access private road and current home assisting be able to. 00:46:50
Stop divide into six block total. 00:46:55
This is designed to maximum loss without considering any existing 3. 00:46:57
Mature trees, green space. 00:47:01
This study is only to show for. 00:47:03
For significant saving and consideration we put into our PUD. 00:47:06
Keeping as much green space as we can, which will help support natural habitats in the area. 00:47:10
And how pretty a better equality to Holiday City. 00:47:17
We are aware that later. 00:47:20
I think that's OK. 00:47:23
Anything that's good right now? Right now we're just talking about the actual chopping it up and how that looks. So I think that 00:47:26
covered it. Commissioners, any questions for the applicants? 00:47:31
Just a quick question. 00:47:36
We have a question for you, if you don't mind. 00:47:39
Commissioner gone. Go ahead. 00:47:40
So if you decide to do this, the easement on. 00:47:42
On whatever the site is, the east side would only allow two, so you'd have to bring in another Rd. on the other. 00:47:46
Scientists is that to make this? 00:47:51
Subdivision happen, is that correct to get the sex on there? 00:47:53
I can answer that. It's that essentially the easement agreement. 00:47:58
To change to. 00:48:03
Allow um. 00:48:05
Essentially 3 lots that would be access from outside. There's a potential that one of those could be accessed for Sleepy Hollow. 00:48:07
But all of those access easements would have to be worked out. 00:48:14
To actually. 00:48:17
Of her death at a six. 00:48:20
Thank you. 00:48:23
If they were applying for six, which they are knowledge, they are not. 00:48:24
OK. All right. Good clarification. All right. Thank you guys so much. 00:48:28
All right, so with that. 00:48:32
Will open up a public hearing. 00:48:34
And uh. 00:48:36
Just as a reminder for those wishing to make comment this particular. 00:48:37
Item that we're talking about. 00:48:41
Is simply. 00:48:43
Does the applicant? 00:48:44
Meet the requirements in order to. 00:48:46
Divide their property up. 00:48:48
As proposed into the four lots. 00:48:50
Not anything PUD or anything yet because those are future public. 00:48:52
Comment sections that we'll be opening up later. 00:48:56
So don't worry, you get a chance if that's what you're here about. But this is just simply for the lot divide itself. 00:48:59
So with that, anyone that wishes to make comment at this point is more than welcome to do so. 00:49:05
Again, Please remember to state your name and address for the record and try and keep comments to 3 minutes or less. 00:49:11
Maybe OK. 00:49:21
Hey, how's it going? My name is Christian Hanson. 00:49:27
I live at 4867. 00:49:30
South Florida, it's adjacent property. 00:49:32
And maybe to give some clarity. 00:49:36
I have a copy of the right away here. 00:49:38
And then right away what I think Kerry is talking about. 00:49:41
Is the right way says the right way. The grant of right of ways shall be terminated. 00:49:43
And all right. 00:49:49
Shall be extinguished. 00:49:51
To all benefiting parties. 00:49:53
If any of the above. 00:49:57
Properties is subdivided, amended. 00:50:01
For any development. 00:50:05
So I think that's what they're saying. It has to remain 4. 00:50:06
And so. 00:50:10
The six lot would extinguish right away and I don't want that. 00:50:10
Because we need access to our home. 00:50:15
That's my comment for right now. 00:50:17
OK. Thank you. 00:50:19
All right. Thank you. 00:50:20
Any other comments this time? 00:50:23
Glad there's so much excitement about Flora Bunda because. 00:50:35
We're all happy to be here and working on it. 00:50:40
So I'm assuming that name and address please. Oh yeah. 00:50:45
Dave Dellenbaugh, 4915 S Floor, Bunda Drive. 00:50:48
I'm assuming that this. 00:50:54
6 lot. 00:50:55
Graphic is. 00:50:57
Academic. 00:50:58
Because there's nobody in this room that wants 6 lives. 00:51:01
And there's no one that's proposing that. There's six lots. 00:51:06
And the idea of 6 lots. 00:51:09
Never came up. 00:51:12
Until yesterday. 00:51:13
So. 00:51:16
Umm, there's been no. 00:51:17
There's been no comment on it, no one in the neighborhood. 00:51:19
Has had a chance to address that. 00:51:22
Having six lots would be objected to by. 00:51:26
Everyone on the whole street, probably including. 00:51:28
I don't want to speak for the Randy's and Jean, but I'm sure they wouldn't like that either. 00:51:34
So, umm. 00:51:38
The idea of 6 is. 00:51:40
Is objected to. I wanted to make that simple point. 00:51:42
OK. Thank you very much. 00:51:45
All right, And any other public comment before we close. 00:51:52
On this one. 00:51:56
Cindy. 00:52:03
I live at 2865 Florida Drive. I live on the South edge. 00:52:04
Of the property that butts up against the Hinkley property. 00:52:09
And my only comment to this is I feel like. 00:52:12
I've been a neighbor of the Hinkley's for 22 years. I've known him for like 55 years. 00:52:16
I think they absolutely have a right to. 00:52:21
Develop their property. 00:52:24
Gene has been a good steward of their property. I just want to see it done right. 00:52:26
So that's all I have for this portion. OK, Thank you very much. 00:52:30
I don't really any other comments at this time. 00:52:37
Great. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing on Item 2 then and. 00:52:40
To the applicants, Bill, they need to come up and address anything that has been said at this time. 00:52:46
You don't have to. 00:52:50
OK. 00:52:52
And I do we we mentioned multiple times this is just conceptual. 00:52:55
On what? 00:52:59
Could legally. 00:53:01
Happen again. We do not want this to happen. 00:53:02
As well. 00:53:05
But legally? 00:53:06
6 lots. 00:53:08
Could be there. 00:53:09
Pending a change of easement. 00:53:11
Different things, but we do not want this to happen. 00:53:12
As well And I want to make that clear that. 00:53:15
The Commissioner and the Board. 00:53:17
As well as the community. 00:53:20
All right. Thank you very much. 00:53:21
Commissioners. 00:53:24
Any clarification questions? 00:53:25
No, all right, pretty straightforward. 00:53:29
At the risk of. 00:53:32
I'm not sure what the risk is, but. 00:53:36
If. 00:53:38
We, I mean, we've all heard they're talking about four laws. 00:53:39
We approve 6. 00:53:43
Just saying. 00:53:45
And all of a sudden, something changes and they decide they're going to go for six. 00:53:46
Because we. 00:53:51
Proof concept. 00:53:52
Is that something they can do? 00:53:54
As long if the meeting were to stop. 00:53:56
Right after this. 00:53:58
And not go ahead or by continuing down the road with the PUD and things. 00:54:00
That is the limiting factor that would. 00:54:05
Get us to the. 00:54:09
Only four. 00:54:10
So part of the PUD process is establishing the legal. 00:54:12
Number of dwelling units or which is determined by. 00:54:17
How many lots? 00:54:22
Meeting the minimum requirements can fit on the property. 00:54:23
That has to be done as part of a PUD process to establish. 00:54:26
The total number of allowed units. 00:54:32
Communities that allow the flexibility to move that total number of units. 00:54:35
Around in different configurations. 00:54:40
Depending on features of the property, things that want. 00:54:42
That property owner wants to preserve. 00:54:46
So that's. 00:54:49
That's just the. 00:54:50
Of kind of a starting point of this is what is legally allowed. 00:54:52
And then from there the applicant does not have to. 00:54:58
To do the full amount they can propose. 00:55:01
Fewer units. 00:55:04
In this case, their PUD concept. 00:55:05
Or 4 units. 00:55:08
If they wanted to change that to 6 units, they would need to amend their application and their concept plan as the PD. 00:55:11
Before the Commission is an application for. 00:55:20
4 units as part of a planned unit development. 00:55:23
If they wanted to change that in the future, it would require them to come back to the Planning Commission. 00:55:27
Have a neighborhood meeting. Have a public hearing. 00:55:33
To change the number of dwelling units and show. 00:55:37
How that change would be incorporated into the PUD? 00:55:40
So it's another review process if that were to change? 00:55:45
Thank you. 00:55:48
Shouldn't him just to clarify on that in the motion, should it then say A4 lot residential subdivision versus 6? 00:55:50
For the concept at the 6th spot. 00:56:00
Forward then, when we move into preliminary. 00:56:03
It would be a floor lot. 00:56:07
Subdivision SO2. Existing homes. 00:56:08
And then to propose new dwelling units. 00:56:12
It's basically just saying yes, it meets the legal requirement for six and then. 00:56:15
Anything beyond that? 00:56:19
They have to go through the process to try and get to 6 correct? 00:56:21
Right, OK. 00:56:24
It's clarifying for us and probably half the group here. 00:56:27
All right, So if there's no further questions or call. 00:56:32
Conversation. 00:56:35
This is Commissioner Prince. 00:56:37
I motion to approve the concept subdivision for Hinckley Estates, a six Watt residential subdivision. 00:56:39
And the R110 zone located at 4888. 00:56:46
4890. 00:56:49
And 48. 00:56:50
80 S Floor under drive and 28. 00:56:52
30 E Sleepy Hollow Drive. 00:56:54
Finding that the development complies with the R110 zone standards. 00:56:57
Utility letters have been provided. 00:57:01
Fire access requirements are met. 00:57:03
And with the requirements that a preliminary plat is. 00:57:05
Submitted and reviewed by the Planning Commission. 00:57:08
Any proposed PUD details the location of open space and preserve trees. 00:57:11
Final easement details and alignments are to be included on the plat. 00:57:17
Fire Access Rd. should be improved to a material to hold 24 tons. 00:57:20
No parking signage is required within required fire access areas. 00:57:24
This is Commissioner Font, I'll second that. 00:57:31
All right, with that we have. 00:57:33
A motion and a second. We'll start down here. Commissioner, gone. 00:57:36
Aye. 00:57:39
Aye, and Chair Roche votes aye. So with that. 00:57:41
The concept plan. 00:57:46
Move forward. 00:57:47
All right, time to get the meat and potatoes. 00:57:49
So moving on to. 00:57:51
Item 3. 00:57:53
Same applicant and properties. 00:57:55
Now the planned unit development. 00:57:59
Conditional use permit. 00:58:02
And carry. 00:58:04
Would you like to walk us through this please? 00:58:05
All right, this one is a more extensive review. 00:58:11
This is where all of those elements can then be changed from that. 00:58:15
Standard uh. 00:58:19
6 lot layout that would have standard setbacks. 00:58:20
Umm, standard lot sizes. 00:58:24
And, umm. 00:58:26
The applicants proposed to do 4 dwelling units. 00:58:27
And and. 00:58:31
Typically what you'd have on a smaller 10,000 square foot lot is a smaller house, just restricted by the size of the property. So 00:58:33
with this layout they have a little bit bigger area for building space. 00:58:40
That they have kind of consolidated into one area or a couple of areas where these two new houses. 00:58:47
And allowed some additional space for. 00:58:53
The existing homes. 00:58:57
The one on the. 00:58:59
Northwest side or sorry, northeast side? 00:59:02
UMM has a deck, so they have some of their building area around a deck. 00:59:06
That already exists on the property. 00:59:11
There is an existing shed up in the far. 00:59:13
Corner kind of a detached garage that they have also incorporated into their building area. 00:59:15
So trying to encapsulate things that are there already. 00:59:22
And then we're about to the older aging home allows some space for expanding that doing additions to accommodate. 00:59:26
Any family that decides to live there or. 00:59:34
If somebody were to purchase that property in the future that they do have some space to. 00:59:37
To add on to that. 00:59:41
And so building areas are really consolidated. They have detailed in their PUD what their total coverage is. 00:59:42
I believe it's at 37%. 00:59:51
In an R110 zone, the maximum coverage is 35%. 00:59:54
So they're pretty close within that. 00:59:59
Their structures are not going to cover that whole identified building area, so that's kind of an overestimation. 01:00:01
Likelihood is actually built will be. 01:00:08
Under the. 01:00:10
Total coverage that would be allowed in an R1. 01:00:12
On a 10,000 square foot lot. 01:00:15
So that kind of goes over coverage they've. 01:00:17
They have some slopes and mature trees that they've been working around. 01:00:21
They did provide a plan that shows their. 01:00:26
Tree removals that are affected by. 01:00:29
Building areas. 01:00:32
And some that are. 01:00:34
Kind of a little bit too close to building areas that could be impacted. 01:00:37
Some of those may be able to stay if. 01:00:41
They design A house. 01:00:45
That works around existing trees. 01:00:46
But safer to call them out as removals as being within that building area. 01:00:48
But that could flex and some of those could potentially. 01:00:54
Stay if they adapt their. 01:00:57
House. 01:00:59
Plans umm. 01:01:00
For the most part, those building areas are in the more open areas on the property. 01:01:02
John Williams. 01:01:08
Scroll to their concept PUD plan. 01:01:10
That shows the tree removals. 01:01:13
I believe it's in the standard. 01:01:18
Packet instead of in the. 01:01:19
Addendum. 01:01:21
And this page. 01:01:23
So they've identified trees that are. 01:01:27
Impacted by their building areas. 01:01:29
Once will clearly be impacted. 01:01:33
Some of the trees that are on the border may or may not be just depending on. 01:01:35
Where they build the house exactly because those building pads are. 01:01:40
General areas. 01:01:43
Umm, they're not identified. 01:01:45
They're not supposed to be. 01:01:47
This is exactly this footprint. There's going to be a square house right here and you can see that with. 01:01:49
How the existing house on the West property? 01:01:54
That's already there, but it has some area around it. 01:01:57
Just because it's easier to. 01:02:01
Draw square that incorporates the whole structure. 01:02:02
And allow some space. 01:02:05
Decks or. 01:02:07
Other minimal. 01:02:09
Additions. 01:02:10
The four units there. 01:02:13
Their fire access they have brought completely within the. 01:02:17
Property. 01:02:21
So we'll have a 40 foot wide width where it turns off. 01:02:22
And so there's a small gap there where utilities can be located. 01:02:26
And there's enough radius for a fire. 01:02:32
For fire access to turn in there. 01:02:36
All of the hashed areas are. 01:02:38
No parking, no access. So that it does meet those standard setbacks. 01:02:41
The law does, I believe, a lot. 01:02:45
There is a little bit bigger than 10,000 square feet. 01:02:47
But it is not. 01:02:50
80 feet wide. 01:02:51
So, but they're still using that 80 foot wide set back for the side set back of eight feet. 01:02:52
There are other perimeter setbacks. Is on. 01:02:58
The Northeast. 01:03:03
And they drew that in line with the existing accessory structure that is there. 01:03:06
And detailed. 01:03:12
They delineated between a primary building set back and an accessory building set back. So an accessory building set back would 01:03:15
have a four foot set back. 01:03:20
A primary building would have an 8 foot set back. 01:03:25
That would be standard with a 10,000 square foot. 01:03:28
80 foot wide. 01:03:31
So that's how they determine setbacks on that. 01:03:33
And all the other setbacks are interior. 01:03:36
Affect themselves, we. 01:03:42
There have been other beauties that we've looked at. Where? 01:03:44
It's just the building that is both. 01:03:47
The property itself, Sometimes it expands and has a little bit more space. 01:03:49
These are more traditional. 01:03:52
Building lots that are a little bit bigger. 01:03:54
They would still be required to meet. 01:03:57
Heights based off of their. 01:03:59
Lot size. 01:04:02
And. 01:04:04
See what else? 01:04:06
And Graduated Heights is the other one that I wanted to talk about too. 01:04:07
Graduated. 01:04:11
Is not modified by a PUD at all. 01:04:13
And essentially when. 01:04:15
You're building a structure. 01:04:18
The closer it is to a property line, the shorter it has to be. 01:04:20
If you have a four foot set back. 01:04:24
And then have the 8 foot height and a 45° angle. 01:04:26
That intersection point is 12 feet. 01:04:30
And 12 feet is about the size of a. 01:04:33
Detached garage structure. 01:04:35
So. 01:04:37
That's as pause it could be at 4 feet. 01:04:38
When you move a structure now. 01:04:40
8 feet away from a property line. 01:04:42
And add the additional 8 feet for the 45° angle. 01:04:44
That intersection point is 16 feet. 01:04:48
So typically you might have like. 01:04:51
You may be able to get to levels there at 8 feet from the property line. 01:04:53
But usually your upper level will have to move back further so you get a tiered effect like a wedding cake, and that's designed 01:04:57
to. 01:05:01
Push taller structures away from property lines. 01:05:05
So that graduated height. 01:05:08
Is still applicable. The PD doesn't modify that so that. 01:05:11
So it's all structures away from. 01:05:14
From property lines. 01:05:16
Whether it's an accessory structure. 01:05:17
Or primary structure. 01:05:19
So that's. 01:05:21
I think detailing the. 01:05:23
Graduated height. There is an image of that in the staff report. 01:05:26
Front setbacks because they have brought that. 01:05:31
Fire access inside the property line. 01:05:34
They have now set that back. 01:05:38
An additional. 01:05:39
Amount, so they end up being from their property line. 30 feet is what they're proposing for the second structure. 01:05:41
The first structure 20 feet from the property. 01:05:47
Carrots to clarify on lot 4. 01:05:51
On the South side of the. 01:05:54
Property. What is? Is it 12 foot? Is the set back between the? 01:05:55
Umm, property line on the South. 01:06:00
Lot. 01:06:05
Yes. So the South property line which is A5 property line for. 01:06:06
That lot is 8 feet. 01:06:10
That does back up to backyards. 01:06:13
And the backyards for those two properties, I believe are then much larger setbacks. 01:06:16
And that's what you get on any corner when you have a side yard that's next to a groupard. 01:06:21
I'm just looking at all the trees in there and. 01:06:26
Trying to think how 8 feet is. 01:06:28
Going to be viable for those trees to continue to live, I mean. 01:06:32
If they've got the neighbors yard to access root system wise, but. 01:06:35
But again, they're not pushing the. 01:06:39
Property right up to the buildable area, but they could. 01:06:41
Right, the buildable area up to the property line, well up to the 8 foot line. 01:06:44
Right, that's. 01:06:49
What's being identified as a building area? 01:06:51
There's a condition that you could potentially make or consideration of that of like. 01:06:55
Have the average be 8 feet. We talked about this with one of the other beauties that we looked at is. 01:07:00
An average of eight feet. So then. 01:07:05
The closest point would be 8 feet. 01:07:08
That some parts might hatch that way that would. 01:07:10
Maybe provide some space for some of those trees there that they could move away from the trees. 01:07:13
But then bring some. 01:07:18
Right. So that would be a consideration is treating those. 01:07:20
Setbacks instead of hardlines. They could be an average and that would be detailed on the plat. 01:07:23
So and you can discuss that with the applicant as to if that is an option that they would be willing to consider. 01:07:28
OK, 30 minutes. I'm going to have you repeat that one more time. 01:07:37
If it wasn't. 01:07:41
Average, uh. 01:07:42
The closest would be 8 feet. 01:07:43
Yes. So that is how we do setbacks in holiday across the board is an averaging. 01:07:47
We have our determined set back. 01:07:55
And for that they can come up. 01:07:58
Closer 15% of that amount. 01:08:00
But then they still have to average out that. 01:08:03
So if you're. 01:08:07
Set back as 8 feet. 01:08:08
You can't count 15% closer. 01:08:10
But then you'd have to have some but set. 01:08:12
To meet the average overall. 01:08:16
And so that's. 01:08:19
We that's applied across French where site property lines and. 01:08:20
Any lot so you can just clarify that as like. 01:08:24
This is an 8 foot set back line but it. 01:08:28
Needs to be an average set back line. 01:08:31
But the maximum width of the point, which would be. 01:08:33
10%. 01:08:39
Oh, you mean 15% closer? 01:08:41
Yeah, If you want to include that extra 15% allowance or just have 8 fees be your nail point, close. 01:08:44
8 foot average. 01:08:53
8 foot. 01:08:55
Minimum. 01:08:56
I think you're looking at like a 10 foot average with no point closer than 8. 01:08:58
OK, that makes more sense. Makes more sense. OK. 01:09:02
OK, all right, I'm no math whiz, but. 01:09:06
Yeah, and the averaging gets a little bit tricky, but it is designed to create. 01:09:10
Buildings and structures. 01:09:17
Houses that don't have just a flat face that people aren't just pushing right up against the set back line that there can be some 01:09:18
variations so you can get like window pop outs or. 01:09:23
A room that comes out closer, but then you have a room that goes out further. So it's just for building variation. 01:09:30
Better architectural design. 01:09:37
And and. 01:09:39
That would be for the. 01:09:41
That we're talking about. 01:09:43
For the. 01:09:45
Primary building. 01:09:47
Not, uh. 01:09:48
Accessory buildings. 01:09:49
It would be for the building area. 01:09:51
OK, umm. 01:09:53
Yeah, because on a PUD plat, we're not looking at accessory buildings and primary buildings were just identifying. 01:09:54
Areas that can be built in so if they built an accessory building would have to be that layer in the right and compliance of 01:10:00
civics. 01:10:04
Unless on that side they also wanted to apply it. 01:10:08
Separate accessory building set back. 01:10:11
They chose to apply that on. 01:10:13
N Front. 01:10:16
A lot because the structure is already there as a smaller house. 01:10:17
That's I don't think there is a garage on that. So they. 01:10:21
Want to have some flexibility to do a garage? 01:10:24
That's essentially the same place as what's there. 01:10:27
OK. 01:10:30
So, uh. 01:10:32
We've done. 01:10:33
Going through the staff report here on our TRC analysis he's talked about. 01:10:34
Setbacks. 01:10:39
We talked about building heights. 01:10:41
That would be based off of the. 01:10:44
Size of the lots that they're creating. 01:10:46
Instead of the. 01:10:48
I think that's. 01:10:50
What I put in there? 01:10:51
Yeah, and then graduated heights. 01:10:54
Lot coverage, we talked about lot coverage on a 10,000 square foot lot and then how that's applied on a larger PUD scale. 01:10:57
And the next page. 01:11:05
Oh yeah, I'm just going to ask you, did we already cover? 01:11:09
What's preserved open space? Are you moving to that now? 01:11:12
Yes. So that's then. 01:11:15
PJ on the staff report. It goes through the PUD elements. 01:11:18
And I'm sure that you reviewed each of those. 01:11:22
Those the parts in bold are taken from the. 01:11:25
Code uh. 01:11:29
On Pauteus. 01:11:30
Stating what the purpose is. 01:11:32
And then staff analysis is the italicized. 01:11:34
Bullet points on each of those points. 01:11:38
Umm, as you read through the staff report, I'm sure you kind of looked at those considerations as well and what the where the 01:11:41
staff recommendation is coming from. 01:11:44
Compatibility I think is another thing that. 01:11:49
Should be discussed as well. 01:11:53
Looking at the total area and this area has been an R110 zone from Salt Lake County. 01:11:57
The floor abundance subdivision that was created in 1950, that is the road that goes kind of into this. 01:12:04
I was greeted with lots that were larger than the minimum that was required. 01:12:11
At that time, so that was a choice of the land developer. 01:12:15
Based off of. 01:12:19
Maybe their own parcel of land and how things worked out. It was just. 01:12:21
Lots ended up being bigger than. 01:12:25
Was legally required. 01:12:27
A couple of different subdivisions in the area. 01:12:29
There's one on. 01:12:33
There was one on Wander Lane that is directly adjacent to this property. 01:12:34
That was subdivided into two separate lots. 01:12:39
A single person purchased multiple slots and built a larger house and had a larger. 01:12:42
Combined. 01:12:47
Was a similar thing on Sleepy Hollow, just to the north. 01:12:47
Corner that was subdivided into two parcels that were smaller. 01:12:52
And a. 01:12:56
Single person bought both of those lots and combined them into a single. 01:12:57
Parcel SO. 01:13:01
People do have that option in subdivisions that they can. 01:13:03
Find more than one month, combine them and create a larger parcel. 01:13:06
But the overall zone is much larger. 01:13:10
Or, sorry, much smaller. 01:13:14
Properties that are consistent with the R110 size. 01:13:16
And you can see that up in the. 01:13:19
Eastern subdivision, where? 01:13:22
Manaloa wina. 01:13:25
Those are smaller parcels and then also West of wandering or smaller parcels. 01:13:28
So the Flora Bunda Heights subdivision. 01:13:33
Outlier in the overall context. 01:13:37
Of the area. 01:13:40
And that's what you get when you have. 01:13:41
Large properties. 01:13:43
Held by families for a long time, they kind of divide them up how they want to. 01:13:44
When you have larger pieces of land that maybe are. 01:13:50
Taken over or. 01:13:53
Developed by a larger developer, you get more standardized. 01:13:54
Minimum on say this. 01:13:58
Social preferences there. 01:13:59
I like those preferences just. 01:14:02
Thrown that out there. 01:14:04
So that's that's kind of the compatibility piece. I know that that's something that umm. 01:14:06
Was brought up at the last meeting of. 01:14:10
You know what its compatibility and how does that fit in with the neighborhood? 01:14:12
Small scale. Large scale. 01:14:15
So that would be something that you could consider there. 01:14:18
And I think then we've. 01:14:23
Looked at the trees. 01:14:25
Umm, as we're looking at. 01:14:26
This being a conditional use permit. 01:14:31
Much of the things that you can assess as a Commission is what are the impacts. 01:14:34
If we're looking at privacy, if. 01:14:39
You're looking at. 01:14:41
How a standard set back would affect a neighboring property on the perimeters of a subdivision. 01:14:43
How then do you want to mitigate those impacts by placing requirements within the PUD element? 01:14:49
Some of those could be increased trees, increased budget. 01:14:57
Vegetation. 01:14:59
Fencing on the perimeter. 01:15:01
There's options that then can. 01:15:02
Potentially address some of those. 01:15:04
Privacy issues. 01:15:07
Or if you. 01:15:08
To see more trace on this page. 01:15:10
You can say, OK, let's put. 01:15:11
Some more trees back here. 01:15:13
Or there's. 01:15:14
That's just bad conditions, part of. 01:15:17
A conditional use permit. 01:15:19
You have impacts. 01:15:21
And how do you want to address those impacts? 01:15:22
So I think with that. 01:15:25
She's pretty thorough. Review. 01:15:28
I'll have the applicant come up and they can review anything else that they would like to ask that. 01:15:31
And, umm. 01:15:36
Of course, then we can do. 01:15:38
If you want to do questions first or do you want to do a public hearing, you can. 01:15:39
Anybody need? 01:15:43
Anything else from? 01:15:45
Good. I think we're good. You're awesome. That's very thorough. Thank you. 01:15:47
All right, we'll have the applicant come back up and. 01:15:50
Now it's your turn to. 01:15:53
Walk us through the sticky. 01:15:54
Yeah. Thank you. 01:15:56
Commissioner. 01:15:57
We and good. 01:15:59
Carried out Impressive. 01:16:00
We'd like to address the topics brought up during the last. 01:16:02
Meeting and session that we had which included. 01:16:06
Road and fire access and preserving the trees. 01:16:08
These were concerns from neighbor and the committee. 01:16:12
Wanted these resolved before approving the plans. 01:16:14
1st for road and fire access. 01:16:17
After considering different options and proposals. 01:16:20
From a neighbor. 01:16:23
One of the options was to have our own road and fire access. 01:16:24
This is what we decided to go with to prevent any need to cross. 01:16:28
Neighbors property. 01:16:32
We'll provide our own Rd. access that needs fire access for these lots, and the current layout has been accepted by the Fire 01:16:33
Marshall as well. 01:16:36
Second for the tree canopy. 01:16:41
With our best research and protection guideline. 01:16:43
There will be AT. 01:16:46
PZ protection around the Mulberry tree, the oak tree, and some other trees. 01:16:47
Necessary. 01:16:52
During construction. 01:16:55
So those those will be protected. 01:16:56
And with our careful study of the subdivision. 01:16:57
We currently have about. 01:17:00
13,902 square feet of canopy space and we were removing about 1023 square feet, which is roughly 7%. 01:17:02
Of the total. 01:17:10
And the trees along the southern lot that are connected to the neighbors can be kept or replanted for privacy as well. 01:17:13
When we showed the lock configuration Holiday City, the suggestion from the staff was to create a subdivision in conjunction with 01:17:20
a planned unit development. 01:17:24
Which? 01:17:29
Again, as we know, allows for flexibility in building areas. 01:17:30
While preserving existing greenery, mature trees and open space. 01:17:33
And I think Carrie Copper, most of my part that I was going to talk about. 01:17:38
Umm, let's see, 01 thing that I noticed umm. 01:17:42
We did design the 35th. 01:17:47
From the center line up the right of way for what? 01:17:49
The northern lot. 01:17:53
And the 20 feet from the right of way for the. 01:17:54
The southern lot. 01:17:57
And with that I did. 01:17:58
Inspector. 01:18:00
Right of way and where the street. 01:18:01
At I use our property line. 01:18:03
So we actually further or even further away, yeah. 01:18:06
If depends on where the street is. 01:18:09
But also. 01:18:11
We did talk about. 01:18:13
The street being just right next to the property light. So that's why I. 01:18:14
We make that design too. 01:18:19
Help her have that as a. 01:18:21
Consideration. 01:18:23
And for the beautiful area, because it looks. 01:18:25
More like a thick and pokey we. 01:18:28
Came up with the. 01:18:30
Determined by the fire access reach part which is within the 150 feet. 01:18:34
So that's. 01:18:38
How we kind of come up with that shape, it's not that we're going to build. 01:18:39
Up to that. 01:18:43
Big shape so. 01:18:44
Just so we know we don't build anything over. 01:18:46
And and I think that's it. 01:18:49
I think carry cover. 01:18:51
Are the other important? 01:18:53
Topic for myself. 01:18:55
And then I just wanted to clarify with you guys, make sure I'm looking at this lot. I don't know which picture this is as like the 01:18:56
dark green watches on the light green watches and the image on one of these pages. 01:19:02
Is that the? Is that the designated? 01:19:08
Open space as part of your PD. 01:19:11
Application yeah, so I. 01:19:14
What picture are we talking about, John? Do you want to go to the one that we looked at before that had the tree? 01:19:17
Got either about one or the one that's right before it. 01:19:24
I think that one is the one I was referring to, yeah. 01:19:29
This one's a little bit cleaner because it doesn't have all the images on it. 01:19:33
Can you go to 11? 01:19:38
So the the. 01:19:42
Oh, sorry. OK. 01:19:44
So we put. 01:19:47
You can see that. 01:19:50
Hatch, Hatch. 01:19:52
On the lot 4 of. 01:19:54
Genes current lot right now. 01:19:58
Those hatchets? 01:20:00
We I calculated as. 01:20:02
Common area cause well. 01:20:05
Want to reserve those area we're not planning on. 01:20:06
Taking down. 01:20:09
Any trees there and? 01:20:11
Our access will consider to be out common. 01:20:13
Area umm. 01:20:17
As well. 01:20:18
Did that answer your question? 01:20:21
I think so. I'm just trying to make sure because I'm seeing kind of two different graphics so. 01:20:22
This one here with these cross patches that has it on the very southern lot. 01:20:26
But then if you Scroll down a couple images you have one that has like these other. 01:20:32
Darker green. 01:20:37
Patches are those. 01:20:38
Not considered. 01:20:40
Yeah, there we go. 01:20:42
This this one I used it to calculate the. 01:20:44
Canopy space where there's a lot of. 01:20:48
Shape from the tree. 01:20:50
So I try to get. 01:20:52
Dim that number. 01:20:53
To show. 01:20:56
What we're taking and what we're keeping. 01:20:59
OK. 01:21:01
I just trying to make sure I understand the difference of which one we would. 01:21:02
We were doing a lot of different study. 01:21:05
For me too. So yeah. So this this one is showing the tree canopy. 01:21:08
The other one is showing the shared space. 01:21:12
So because it's running along. 01:21:14
This what would that be? Western property? 01:21:16
On whatever that is. I can't read that small lot 1. Is that the neighbors tree canopy that's covering it? Thanks. I don't see any 01:21:21
trees. 01:21:24
Identified on your map there. 01:21:28
It got out. 01:21:30
Some shaded area on that bottom but. 01:21:32
On our side, it's actually a little bit smaller. 01:21:35
But umm. 01:21:37
That's the option of privacy. 01:21:40
So like we're going to want to create that privacy for black neighbor anyway. So we want to. 01:21:44
If that tree in that area needs to be replanted, we want something a little bit. 01:21:50
Taller to be. 01:21:54
OK, just trying to make sure I understand what's been. 01:21:56
Submitted to the city and what's? 01:22:00
Actually there because like I said, I. 01:22:02
Don't see any trees so I don't understand how that's shaped. 01:22:05
Oh yes. 01:22:08
It has some other little trees so I tried to get it so. 01:22:10
Cover more up. 01:22:15
So there's like arborvitaes or something there because the drawing of the tree is. 01:22:17
Super accent up the side of the diameter. 01:22:22
But I'm trying to. 01:22:25
OK. Yeah, that just. 01:22:27
I'm more of a visual than reading the text kind of guy, so I appreciate you clarifying that for me. 01:22:29
Commissioners, any other questions for the applicant? 01:22:36
We're looking at two different graphics here. 01:22:41
What you have here and what's up there. 01:22:45
Well, so there's. 01:22:47
But the hash mark one is the actual preservation area. 01:22:50
So 3 up from here, 2 up from here, whatever, right? 01:22:53
Yeah. So this is your preservation area? 01:22:57
That little triangle. 01:23:02
The patch in between the houses and then. 01:23:04
Down on the South. 01:23:07
So, yeah, and anywhere that you have your. 01:23:09
Outside of the building area is still. 01:23:12
Open space because you can't. 01:23:15
Build in it. 01:23:16
Umm, do you where you sort of find that that is like. 01:23:18
Common maintenance for those hash barriers or that those are like. 01:23:21
Preserved areas. 01:23:28
For that area, there's like a little. 01:23:32
What do you call the balcony there already? 01:23:35
And as a common space, people that in that area have. 01:23:38
We like you happy. 01:23:42
Like that? 01:23:45
Like we want to serve it. It's a common. 01:23:46
OK, Yeah. 01:23:49
And that in the hash area. 01:23:50
Yeah, in the hat, OK, but. 01:23:52
The other area that's OK. So there's like a. 01:23:54
Like pergola kind of structure that's there, OK. 01:23:57
OK, so the. 01:24:02
The yellow area is your building area, but it doesn't mean you're going to build a structure. 01:24:06
Cover that entire area. 01:24:12
Correct. Then the green area is your open space, but these are common spaces that you've designated them. 01:24:14
OK. All right. 01:24:21
Thank you for clarifying that, sorry. 01:24:23
I get turned around on some of these things. John's laughing at me over here. It's great though. 01:24:25
All right. Well, I think we have grilled you guys enough and I think I have a pretty good idea. And Kerry broke it down. 01:24:30
You guys added to it. So I think we're ready to open the public hearing. We'll have you sit down and like. 01:24:35
Bite you back up after public comment here. 01:24:39
All right, meat, potatoes, a lot of people have been waiting for. We are now going to reopen or we're going to open this public 01:24:43
hearing again. State your name and address for the record, since I'm guessing several people may comment on this one as well. 01:24:49
Please do not. 01:24:56
Remake the same remarks from the person before. You don't have to get up and say Ditto, we got it, it's on the public record. But 01:24:57
if you have something additional to add, we'd love to hear that from you. And with that, we'll go ahead and invite someone up now. 01:25:02
I'm Jane Hinckley at 4880 S. 01:25:19
More than the drive by, the cause of all this problem? 01:25:22
I would like to give you. 01:25:26
A2 minute history of this piece of property that's so dear to me. 01:25:28
My father bought. 01:25:33
4 acres of land from Christian Patterson, who lived on Castle Lane. 01:25:34
In the early 1930s, before I was born. 01:25:39
We lived in Chile until 1944. 01:25:44
So my grandfather and uncle planted and watered. 01:25:47
Many of the trees. 01:25:51
We still have a wonderful Sycamore Maple ash. 01:25:53
Mulberry and two Scotch Pines in my backyard from those original trees. 01:25:57
And I've planted lots of pie trees. 01:26:03
We built our long dreamed. 01:26:08
Holiday home in. 01:26:11
1949. 01:26:13
That was logged before form under or salmay was there. 01:26:16
My brother built his home. 01:26:20
Now owned by Christian Hanson. 01:26:22
In the early 1960s. 01:26:24
And my dad built my home in 1964. 01:26:27
My kids and my brother's kids had an amazing growing up. 01:26:31
My dad taught my boys how to work hard. 01:26:36
And we had horses. 01:26:39
I now own about an acre and a fourth of the original 4 acres. 01:26:41
With my home in these two laws. 01:26:47
So I'm so grateful to have a grandson that is able. 01:26:51
AB desires. 01:26:56
To continue this family heritage. 01:26:57
His parents have built a home below me. 01:27:00
After a 20 year wait, that's the whole month. 01:27:03
On Sleepy Hollow. 01:27:06
And it'll be wonderful to have the family traditions carried on. 01:27:09
Did Christian have allowed me to stay in my home? 01:27:13
As long as I am able. 01:27:17
And also they won't do any building while I'm still alive. 01:27:19
And these worked so hard and so well with Holiday City. 01:27:23
To make all this work. 01:27:28
And I dearly love this place. Thank you. 01:27:30
Thank you very much. 01:27:33
Hi, Cindy Gubler at 2865 Floor Bender Drive. 01:27:42
I told you before, I love the Hinkleys. I love June. 01:27:48
I love this land too. 01:27:51
I love Florida. 01:27:53
But I am concerned about. 01:27:55
If a PUD is a right choice. 01:27:57
I don't know. 01:28:00
I'm asking you guys to ask the hard questions and make the hard decisions. 01:28:01
Because I look at it and I think. 01:28:05
Could you the same thing be accomplished without a PUD? 01:28:08
I look at it and I think have what we've done is move the buildings to the far. 01:28:13
Corners of the property. 01:28:18
And we create damage there. 01:28:20
Damage along my property line. 01:28:22
And we've created a pocket part. 01:28:25
And to me that feels like. 01:28:27
That's great for something like. 01:28:29
Daybreak. 01:28:31
And I love Daybreak. 01:28:32
But I'm like at the end of the street we need. 01:28:34
Surrounded by houses of Pocket Park. 01:28:37
Or do we keep the character of the street? Where? 01:28:40
We've got lush big. 01:28:42
Yards that have mature trees. 01:28:44
From Wonder Lane all the way up floor Benda Drive. 01:28:47
Each house has got mature trees and shrubs. 01:28:51
So when you're in your house, you feel like you're secluded. You're tucked into your little. 01:28:54
Corner of the world and I feel like. 01:28:59
When we get to here, we're going to destroy that. 01:29:01
We're going to destroy what I've got. 01:29:04
And so I'm going to. 01:29:07
Just show you because I noticed in the packet you guys have pictures. 01:29:08
Of the property, but you don't have pictures of that South. 01:29:11
Corridor umm. 01:29:14
By my house. 01:29:16
So when I look at my. 01:29:18
Bedroom door. 01:29:19
And my courtyard. This is what I see. 01:29:20
It's like a force canopy. 01:29:23
Can you guys see that from there? I need to have it up here. 01:29:25
When I look at my backyard. 01:29:28
At the Hinkley's property. 01:29:30
Same thing. 01:29:31
It's a forest. You can see there's a herd of deer right there. 01:29:32
They use that corridor all the time. 01:29:35
Another picture of my front yard. There's a big. 01:29:39
Out there. 01:29:42
In that corridor. 01:29:43
This is that corridor from. 01:29:45
They can. Please wear. They're going to take down this tree. This tree. 01:29:48
You can't even see my house from there. 01:29:51
You can't see my front yard, you can't see my house, You can't see my backyard. 01:29:54
But if I look at that. 01:29:58
I think the House is so close to that corridor. 01:30:00
That a lot of trees are coming down. 01:30:04
And the potential for those trees that are going to remain to stay alive. 01:30:07
Is diminished like the light is diminished. 01:30:12
The roots are diminished because. 01:30:15
A lot of those trees are 3040 feet tall. 01:30:17
The roots go out. 01:30:19
And so either I'm asking for the hue please to. 01:30:21
Push those up further. 01:30:25
There's lots of land there. 01:30:27
We don't need a pocket park. 01:30:29
Let's push it up and have a bigger run for. 01:30:31
Sidetrack there. 01:30:33
That would. 01:30:35
Made me feel like terrific, we're there. 01:30:38
If they can't do that, I think. 01:30:41
Even if they do do that, I feel like we need to have a. 01:30:44
Protective Protect the tree protection plan put in place. 01:30:48
So that we know. 01:30:51
Here's what's going to happen before construction happens. What needs to be fenced in? 01:30:52
How does construction happen so we protect the roots of the trees? 01:30:58
The tree canopy. 01:31:01
Are there things on my property that I need to do before construction? Do I need to? 01:31:03
Water Extra. 01:31:08
Because my trees are going to be in stress. 01:31:09
Are certain trees going to be taken down so I lose that privacy I have right now? 01:31:13
So it no longer is a forest there. 01:31:17
So I would ask that you guys ask him for that minimally. 01:31:21
And that any damage to my trees or? 01:31:25
If they die, they're held accountable to them. 01:31:28
I love my property. It's surrounded by trees. It's surrounded by. 01:31:33
Forest and for them to just. 01:31:36
Come in and. 01:31:38
No big deal. Let's just cut that down. 01:31:40
It's a tragedy. 01:31:42
And I think that's what holidays all about is. 01:31:44
Large lots tree canopy. 01:31:47
Protecting what we have and if we just let stuff go in. 01:31:49
Pretty soon, we're just. 01:31:53
Not holiday anymore. 01:31:54
The whole character of our city changes. 01:31:55
And that's a huge concern. 01:31:58
Broader than this, that's why I wanted to really show up tonight, too. 01:32:01
Because I do love Holiday. I grew up here. 01:32:05
And I'm like, it's special, but we've got to keep it special. We've got a lot of impacts coming down the city. 01:32:08
And I feel like. 01:32:14
You guys have a tough job. 01:32:15
And you've got to be wise about stuff like this, so. 01:32:17
That's what I have to say. 01:32:21
All right, Cindy, thank you very much. 01:32:22
Hi, my name is Rob Neither and I live on 2870 floor Bunda. 01:32:29
Sorry one more time Robert Rob Neidecker. I live on 2874 Abunda. 01:32:33
And I'm a huge fan of the Hinckley's and D. 01:32:39
And Christian. 01:32:43
I heard. 01:32:45
I have actually a handwritten copy. 01:32:45
Of Gene's history. 01:32:48
In my files. 01:32:49
And they're right next to the covenants. 01:32:51
I know that. 01:32:53
Belongs here, but I want to just provide. 01:32:54
Context from a neighbor too. 01:32:56
Because those covenants mattered a lot to me. 01:32:58
Signed by King and also signed by. 01:33:01
Bob and Nancy Folsom. 01:33:03
We bought. 01:33:05
The property that was. 01:33:06
Subdivided by. 01:33:07
The chards, and I don't know how they got away with that. 01:33:09
Because it wasn't compatible with the covenants. 01:33:12
And we combine the properties back. 01:33:15
Every single person on floor bunda. 01:33:18
Said thank you for preserving. 01:33:20
What floor Bunda is all about South. 01:33:23
I love the Hinkley's. That's more than the Hinckley's though. 01:33:25
And what causes me a little bit of distress even though they're not subject to the covenants? 01:33:27
Maybe even though they signed them. 01:33:33
Is the setbacks. 01:33:34
Are not consistent with the covenants that a lot of people sign and a lot of people signed up for. 01:33:36
Including my wife and me who've lived in the area. 01:33:41
Me, 20 years, My wife. 01:33:43
Probably about 40. 01:33:47
So we want to provide that for additional context on. 01:33:48
The spirit and community of Florida. 01:33:52
All right. Thank you. 01:33:55
Hi, my name is Christian Hanson again 4867 S Florida adjacent property owners. 01:34:10
My wife and I. 01:34:17
Have lived in that home. 01:34:19
I think 8 years now or no? 01:34:21
Bought it in eight years, lived in seven years. 01:34:23
And the thing we love about that home? 01:34:25
Is the privacy. 01:34:27
And that's the whole reason we bought it. 01:34:29
And it is surrounded, just as Cindy said. I think that's what everybody here loves. 01:34:31
Is the trees. 01:34:36
And the privacy you can look any direction on her home. 01:34:38
And it's hard during the summertime to see a backdoor name. 01:34:42
We support. 01:34:48
Plan development that fits the character of our neighborhood and respects the holiday code. 01:34:50
That the city planners have explained to us their legal role is to assist the applicant with the law. 01:34:55
And that way they are. 01:35:01
The applicants advocate. 01:35:03
We asked them who's our advocate. 01:35:05
Sorry, what was that? 01:35:10
Please address the. 01:35:11
OK, I just thought you asked me a question. 01:35:14
So you're good. 01:35:18
We are told that the code is our advocate. 01:35:20
And for clarification, when Carrie was talking again, I might have misheard her, but she was talking about. 01:35:25
The R1. 01:35:32
6 lot scenario. 01:35:34
A more accurate would be comparison would be 4 lots because that easement. 01:35:36
Does not allow. 01:35:41
6 so. 01:35:42
Just pointing that out. 01:35:43
Also, she had said that 4 foot setbacks is standard on a 10,000 square foot. 01:35:45
A lot. We're talking about half acre lots. 01:35:51
So not 10,000 square foot. 01:35:54
To point that out again, I might. 01:35:57
I'm not good at math either. 01:35:59
So I might might have misunderstood that, but I wanted to make sure. 01:36:00
Every understands my huts. 01:36:04
Over 1/2 acre of jeans lots. Over 1/2 acre. 01:36:06
And a four foot set back. 01:36:09
Seems crazy. 01:36:11
And. 01:36:14
One thing that. 01:36:16
Was told to us also by somebody in the planning was a driveway. 01:36:17
Access needs to be 5 feet from property corners. 01:36:22
I don't know if that's accurate, but that was told to us. 01:36:26
So if their driveway in the new plants making sure that that's. 01:36:28
Compatible. 01:36:33
Right now it looks like it goes right to our property corners. 01:36:34
As opposed to being 5 feet off before the driveway access starts. 01:36:37
Again, that was just told to us. 01:36:43
So our main concern? 01:36:47
The inconsistency and setbacks, especially on that shared property line. 01:36:50
I mentioned. 01:36:55
5. 01:36:55
Or .58 acre lot is ours. 01:36:57
Genes is 0.55. 01:37:01
And my setbacks. 01:37:04
15 feet. 01:37:05
On the side. 01:37:07
23. 01:37:09
And 36. 01:37:10
That's my setbacks with R110. 01:37:11
Yeah, the PG proposes. 01:37:14
Well, you heard before. 01:37:15
Between. 01:37:17
Three PUD homes. 01:37:18
8 feet on the southern. 01:37:19
And four feet. 01:37:21
On our shared property line. 01:37:23
We understood or we understand that the four foot setback would allow for a 60 foot long. 01:37:27
Wall 17 feet high. 01:37:33
On the southern and on the southern. 01:37:37
By Cindy and the Pearsons, it would. 01:37:40
Allow again. 01:37:42
This is what those building pads allow for. 01:37:45
130 feet long and approximately 22 feet high. 01:37:47
So we asked the Commission, why are the largest setbacks in spacing between beauty homes shouldn't share property lines with 01:37:52
neighbors? 01:37:55
Shouldn't share property lines with neighbors not in the PUD receive at least that same? 01:38:00
Or better respect of the. 01:38:06
Character of the Neighborhood on the R110. 01:38:08
This is not a high density PUD area. 01:38:12
Is the private lane. 01:38:14
In holiday on half acres. 01:38:16
My second point is the tree canopies which have. 01:38:18
Have been brought up. 01:38:21
And the simple idea is. 01:38:22
Larger setbacks. 01:38:25
Give uh. 01:38:27
More uh. 01:38:29
Area for tree canopy. I put this in my packet. 01:38:30
I went and counted trees. I tried to put best I could. 01:38:33
It's probably not 100% accurate display. 01:38:36
But that shows where mature trees are. 01:38:39
And you can see they're on the property. 01:38:42
Boundaries so. 01:38:44
The thinking is if you have larger setbacks on. 01:38:45
Property boundaries. Then you spread. 01:38:48
More people's privacy. 01:38:50
There and then the compatibility in character. 01:38:53
The code says the Commission must decide whether the size, shape and placement of homes in a PD fit the character of the 01:38:57
surrounding area. 01:39:00
And don't negatively affect adjacent properties. 01:39:04
Our 4 foot and 8 foot setbacks typical for 4/01 to no. 01:39:07
Is the character. 01:39:11
To have homes on half acre lots sit in the extreme corners. 01:39:13
With four foot setbacks. 01:39:17
I would say no. 01:39:19
They're centered in lots. 01:39:21
Would this layout affect spacing, Privacy. Light shade up nearby homes? 01:39:22
Yes, these are all reasonable concerns. 01:39:27
Under the code. 01:39:30
The last thing I brought up before, but I'll just give it 2 second airtime, is that right away access. 01:39:32
We're concerned that if subdivising, rezoning is altered. 01:39:38
In any in any way? 01:39:42
We could lose that right away. Access. 01:39:44
So we incur even though. 01:39:47
Beauty is not rezoning. 01:39:48
It does alter development. 01:39:50
And could be interpreted as that alteration. We asked the Commission to require legal verification. 01:39:52
That the right away remains valid. 01:39:58
If a PUD is a. 01:40:00
We also heard that the PD might be better to protect against future subdivision, but again. 01:40:03
That's not true. 01:40:09
That prohibits it. Only four lots can be there. 01:40:10
Final thought, we want to be clear, we're not opposed to development. 01:40:13
We want the solutions. 01:40:16
To start, but when solutions start creating more problems, smaller setbacks, bigger building paths. 01:40:18
Less privacy. 01:40:24
Reduced tree coverage is worth asking. 01:40:25
Does the proposed PD really fit the purpose of the code? Does it propose? 01:40:28
PD truly served the neighborhood. Or does it benefit mostly? 01:40:31
Applicant the code says PD must be better for the community. 01:40:35
Than standard. 01:40:39
We hope the Commission will look carefully at access setbacks, building placement, driveway placement, tree preservation. 01:40:41
And at a minimum, we respectfully ask you to postpone the final decision. 01:40:48
Until construction plans. 01:40:51
Are submitted. 01:40:53
As John mentioned. 01:40:54
Jonathan mentioned to us. 01:40:55
No construction has been proposed. It's difficult to analyze how the code will apply to something. 01:40:57
That has not been proposed yet. 01:41:03
Thank you very much for your time. 01:41:05
Thank you. 01:41:06
That's gonna say I'm hearing a lot of people. 01:41:20
So I would like. 01:41:25
Dave Nellenbach in 4954 but. 01:41:27
I would like to say for the record that that history from. 01:41:30
Gene was awesome. 01:41:33
Thank you so much. 01:41:35
Umm, I have a question. 01:41:40
There is a. 01:41:42
It's different from this one that was put up first. 01:41:43
When we started this part of the meeting that. 01:41:46
I don't know that I've seen. 01:41:48
I think it's the civil plans. 01:41:50
John in the. 01:41:53
Can you put that up again? 01:41:55
Yeah, it looks like this. 01:41:57
Yeah. 01:42:03
Yeah, so where? 01:42:06
Where is this in the packet? I just haven't seen it yet and. 01:42:08
I wanted to, I wanted to understand that. 01:42:13
Do you want me to? 01:42:18
Respond or we we're just taking comment at this time. 01:42:20
So continue. Yeah, if you want to just go ahead and move forward with comments and then I can ask Kerry to clarify. 01:42:24
Well, I can't make a comment until I understand. 01:42:30
So what's the question? 01:42:34
My question is, I haven't seen this graphic before and I want to understand. 01:42:36
What's going on in this graphic? 01:42:40
And so can I have can I please have a copy of it so I can look at it and understand it? 01:42:42
It is on the website. It's posted as the addendum. 01:42:47
I believe that when I came in the other day, I pulled that up. 01:42:51
And shot that or. 01:42:55
So the one that's in the packet. 01:42:57
Is had some red lines on it, some clouded areas that showed. 01:43:00
This is how the. 01:43:05
Fire access is. 01:43:06
Being modified. 01:43:08
And crossed out the Y that was previously on those. 01:43:09
On the civil side. 01:43:13
So this is the updated civilization. Can you show me where it is? 01:43:15
In that packet, yeah. Can you show me from what I printed out? 01:43:20
What was on the website yesterday? Yes, so. 01:43:23
The addendum was published on Monday, so we can add changes within 24 hours of a meeting. So that's. 01:43:26
On the city's website. 01:43:33
There's the pack. 01:43:35
And then there's the addendum. 01:43:37
The addendum has the additional comments that were received. 01:43:39
And the updated civil set of plans. 01:43:43
That reflects the changes that were highlighted in the packet. 01:43:45
I understood some of what you said, OK. 01:43:50
Alrighty, Dave. So I'm just gonna jump in here real quick. So understanding that that was updated, it's legal and it exists. 01:43:52
Did you have a comment about anything? OK, pull it up again. 01:43:59
Please. 01:44:03
If that's OK. 01:44:04
OK. 01:44:07
Yeah, if you could just. 01:44:10
My comment is I haven't seen it yet. I'd like to understand it. 01:44:12
So we can clarify that. 01:44:22
In the. 01:44:24
I mean, we can. 01:44:26
It's not really inappropriate, Yeah. I mean, we're taking public comments right now, so yeah. 01:44:30
I mean, if you want to make a comment, I'll be happy to entertain a comment. If you just want to get that clarified, then I'll let 01:44:36
you work with city staff. 01:44:39
That fair, Dave? 01:44:42
Give me 6 more seconds. 01:44:44
Starting now. 01:44:46
They fully wrapped up the. 01:44:47
I just asked. 01:44:51
OK. 01:44:55
So you got 60 seconds for public comment and I don't hear any comments made so. 01:44:58
Dave, I'm going to cut you off. 01:45:03
The time for the applicant is after. 01:45:07
The time for the applicant to address questions is after the public hearing is over, so we take all public comments. 01:45:10
And then the applicant has a chance to address public comment. 01:45:16
Is I would appreciate it. 01:45:20
If someone in this room would please explain to me what's going on. 01:45:21
It's this is not a question and answer, it's a comment, right? So this process is. 01:45:28
Just comment. 01:45:32
And then that's that's my comment. The answers come. 01:45:33
Later. That's my comment. 01:45:37
OK, got it. 01:45:38
Thank you. 01:45:40
Good evening. 01:45:49
I guess you're wondering why I've called you all here tonight. Name and address, please. 01:45:49
Matt Pearson. 01:45:53
2841. 01:45:54
East Broadband Drive. 01:45:56
A little bit of background on me, I'm. 01:45:59
The other neighbor to the South end. 01:46:02
Of the PUD, The Pearsons. 01:46:05
Also neighbors to Cindy. 01:46:08
Full Disclos. 01:46:13
Part of this is Jeans fault. We're all here. I'm probably the other half of the reason. 01:46:15
That we're all here. 01:46:19
In December, Jean and I were. 01:46:21
Negotiating with her attorneys for the sale of this South. 01:46:24
The South parcel. 01:46:27
And I came in, it was initially. 01:46:29
You know when they. 01:46:32
Drawn it up as a. 01:46:33
65 feet. 01:46:34
Came and spoke with someone with the. 01:46:35
Planning Office. 01:46:38
Find out. OK, well, I want to build a house here in 65 feet and they're like, yeah, no, it's unbuiltable. 01:46:41
So that's kind of what started this whole bottle rolling. 01:46:47
You know I. 01:46:50
We have to redesign it at a. 01:46:52
About 8 feet. 01:46:54
So I could just do it under the code. 01:46:56
And then subsequently like. 01:46:59
I'm not in the negotiations with Gene for this lot. 01:47:02
Currently so that stop. 01:47:05
I'm a big fan of first principles thinking, and I'm also a big fan. 01:47:07
Of the most elegant. 01:47:12
Simplest solution is usually the best. 01:47:13
Looking at what we've got. 01:47:17
I feel like everything's a lot simpler and easier. 01:47:18
If we do an 80 foot long, it solves a lot of Cindy's concerns. 01:47:22
It solves. 01:47:26
Umm, you know, another issue. And again. 01:47:28
Trying not to when you go last, you know, try not to. 01:47:31
Rehash what's been said. So I'm really trying not to that I don't know if you guys. 01:47:35
I submitted. I don't know if you saw this picture but. 01:47:40
The 60 foot lot. 01:47:43
With is in my opinion. 01:47:45
Not in keeping with what's going on on. 01:47:48
Sleepy Hollow, Florabunda and. 01:47:52
Old calling. 01:47:54
It's narrow than all the lots would be about 42% as wide as the average lot width. 01:47:56
On the private road that it's on. 01:48:02
52% as wide as the average score on the height subdivision walk, which is about. 01:48:05
124 feet. 01:48:09
That's the about 19%. 01:48:11
Less wide than. 01:48:15
Than any of the other lots kind of on these. 01:48:17
3 streets circles on the east side of Wander. Now there is one house. 01:48:22
On the West side of Wander, going South, I don't know if he has it, driven by it. There's a little. 01:48:27
Peanut gingerbread house that's on a lot that's about. 01:48:31
50 or some feet wide. 01:48:34
That goes back. 01:48:37
Here. So there's there's that one kind of outlier. 01:48:38
The hard part you get with. 01:48:41
Or 65 foot lot is. 01:48:44
You know, building upon what, Cindy, you know. 01:48:47
Said is by the time you try to deal with. 01:48:50
Not killing. 01:48:53
The trees. 01:48:54
I don't even know if a 10 foot set back ensures that the trees. 01:48:56
Live. But you know, and maybe as a part of that, there might be something where there was like a bond in place. 01:48:59
That's a 5 or 6 year bond. 01:49:05
You know, because replacing a 30 foot tree is. 01:49:08
I'm trying to be disrespectful but wrap it up. 01:49:11
I think I'm only a minute and 1/2. 01:49:13
But anyway, so. 01:49:15
So there's a couple of things that. 01:49:17
You know, everyone has already said. 01:49:19
I feel like. 01:49:21
The the biggest deal is. 01:49:23
These lots could be done. One's 80. 01:49:25
One ends up being another, and they're totally buildable. 01:49:28
You can draw a. 01:49:31
And drop the circle. 01:49:32
Inside them it gets done. 01:49:35
You don't have to worry about this fire access. 01:49:37
I think a lot of the neighbors would be a lot more. 01:49:40
Interested in playing ball? 01:49:42
Doing that so. 01:49:45
That would be my comment is you know. 01:49:49
Why do APUD? 01:49:51
The underlying zoning works and. 01:49:53
I think that'd be a good thing for, you know. 01:49:55
The applicants just to say well. 01:49:57
OK, what's the big deal over the 15 feet? 01:49:59
Make your make your clock. 01:50:01
15 feet. 01:50:03
Less wide on the North law. 01:50:04
And since everyone owns the adjoining lots to the north. 01:50:06
And if you need a bigger. 01:50:10
Building envelope you can push. 01:50:12
Push those two. 01:50:13
Do a lot more in adjustment on both those two properties so. 01:50:14
That would be it. Thank you. Thank you very much for your comment. Appreciate it. 01:50:17
Hi, my name is Paul Rain. 01:50:27
I live at 2830. 01:50:30
He steak the hollow drive. 01:50:33
I'm the son-in-law of Gene Hinckley, the father of Christian. 01:50:35
The grandfather of our Christian these four wonderful grandkids so. 01:50:39
I just find out why we're here. 01:50:43
Because Matt wants a. 01:50:45
80 with white white. 01:50:46
On the southern part of genes property. 01:50:48
Kind of kidding. 01:50:52
Kind of not. 01:50:52
A small sheet written out here of things I wanted to say. 01:50:55
But there's been so much said tonight that I'm going to. 01:50:58
I know my son and Dee will address some of these things. 01:51:01
People seem to be concerned about the TUD. 01:51:05
You know, I believe that was something that the city came up with, with Christian as. 01:51:09
The right solution? 01:51:14
For what we're doing here. 01:51:15
You know, I understand people's concern about the. 01:51:17
The beauty, the views, the privacy. 01:51:20
They can think Gene Hinckley for that, You know, she talked about how important that land has been to her. 01:51:23
She spent. 01:51:28
Hundreds of thousands of dollars. 01:51:30
In property tax. 01:51:32
And maintenance. 01:51:33
To make this land beautiful. 01:51:35
For all these neighbors. 01:51:37
Who now, right? 01:51:38
Don't want? 01:51:40
Her grandchild. 01:51:42
To go through with the PUD. 01:51:43
That was suggested. 01:51:46
By the city. 01:51:47
Really, what I just wanted to do was say thank you very much to the Planning Commission. 01:51:51
The city planners. The city of holiday. 01:51:56
For working through this process. 01:51:58
I think that you have found Christianity. 01:52:01
To be very good to work with. 01:52:04
Think they've met every requirement? 01:52:06
That you've asked of them. 01:52:08
The city of Hawaii is a wonderful place to live. 01:52:11
My wife grew up here. 01:52:14
My son and and his wife. 01:52:17
Who want to raise their family here? 01:52:19
And I would also suggest that the city holiday is very wise in their planning. 01:52:21
And in their lot planning and their PUD. 01:52:26
And as long as Christian India meeting. 01:52:30
Every single. 01:52:32
Element of those puds. 01:52:35
I would ask. 01:52:37
That today and tonight. 01:52:38
After this being that you approve. 01:52:41
Their application. 01:52:43
You know, we heard a lot tonight about the size of the locks in holiday especially. 01:52:44
You know, on floor abundant and old colony and somebody mentioned city. 01:52:49
If you look at the top of Sleepy Hollow. 01:52:53
You'll see that. 01:52:56
Bill Watts on this projected PUD. 01:52:58
Are bigger than most of those lots that went up at the top of sleep. 01:53:02
So I'm not going to take more than 3 minutes. 01:53:06
Thank you very much for your time and your effort and your work on this project. 01:53:09
Thank you. 01:53:13
Hello, I'm Amy Dellenbaugh, 4915 S. 01:53:23
And also the vacant lot. 01:53:26
That has the right of way access. 01:53:27
I just wanted to comment. We've lived in our home for over 20 years. 01:53:29
And the neighbors of teenage I wanted to publicly thank Jean. 01:53:34
For preserving her beautiful land. And she could have sold it. 01:53:38
Anytime in the past 20 years and. 01:53:43
I am happy to see it go to her grandchildren and I know that they will. 01:53:47
Keep the same stewardship that. 01:53:53
That gene has and. 01:53:56
So I just wanted to thank team publicly and. 01:53:58
We like the rings, and we are. 01:54:02
Happy to be neighbors with continuing gene. 01:54:05
Family and. 01:54:08
Just along with the rest of the neighbors hope. 01:54:09
To see the same. 01:54:13
Beauty and care of the land to continue. 01:54:16
Thank you. 01:54:20
Thank you. 01:54:21
Hi, I'm Angie Pearson, grew up here. 01:54:29
02841. 01:54:32
East Lorraine, Uh. 01:54:33
We back the holiday. 01:54:35
South Side. 01:54:37
And share that South side with Cindy. 01:54:38
Umm, I was born and raised in Holiday. 01:54:41
And above. 01:54:43
For. 01:54:45
The one of the. 01:54:47
Highlights of Florida was that it was 1/2 acre. 01:54:49
Each land, each property. 01:54:52
How to preserve the half acre and we just took to that and we're so grateful. 01:54:54
To have that space for our kids to grow up and run around. 01:54:59
My concern is when I see a house being built. 01:55:03
They take a huge parameter of that land to dig the foundation. 01:55:06
And to me, there's no way that those trees are going to be preserved against our fence line. 01:55:09
As they dig for that house, especially with eight feet. 01:55:14
Those trees will come down as a consequence of digging that big hole. 01:55:18
To build a house. 01:55:22
We are grateful for the. 01:55:24
The green wall that we've enjoyed from Gene for years. 01:55:25
And I know a lot of people appreciate that beauty. 01:55:29
And we would love to preserve it, love to preserve each of the locks to be the same size. 01:55:32
As for Glenda as it goes into that? 01:55:37
Private Lane, thank you for your time. 01:55:39
Thank you. 01:55:42
All right. I think we might have gotten through everyone in the room, but were there any other comments at this time? 01:55:47
All right. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing and we'll invite the applicant up. 01:55:53
If they would like to address. 01:55:58
Many of the points that were made. 01:56:00
Through public comment. 01:56:02
I just I would like to address. 01:56:09
The access in this picture real quick. 01:56:12
I got notified about to get an engineer plan. 01:56:16
Recently SO. 01:56:20
I was just working back. 01:56:22
And forth between my engineer and being pulled off to get this done within. 01:56:23
Less than four days. 01:56:28
So I proposed that. 01:56:32
And I oh, sorry. 01:56:34
I proposed and I told. 01:56:35
Somehow the street will be pushed all the way. 01:56:36
And his suggestion he understand. 01:56:40
And, umm. 01:56:42
To for that explanation, he left it as is for now, because. 01:56:46
How the road is starting. 01:56:50
We would have to turn which? 01:56:52
It's working at. 01:56:55
That would work fine as well. 01:56:57
But umm. 01:56:59
There is a I can't remember if it was sewer line. 01:57:00
Or pipeline that goes straight right between the three. 01:57:05
So he was suggesting to talk. 01:57:09
With our neighbor later on. 01:57:11
Umm, for the later process. 01:57:13
That if I'm. 01:57:16
Believing that that will. 01:57:18
Create the easier access for those utility. 01:57:20
But uh. 01:57:23
For purpose because I. 01:57:25
I understand we want to push it all to the property line. 01:57:29
And that's what. 01:57:32
And that's fine with us and. 01:57:33
We're planning on. 01:57:35
If it posted or properly aligned, that's how everything was approved. 01:57:37
And this is if it would have extended out, we would need a little bit of that turn. 01:57:41
And that's why it's showing in here, but it's not. 01:57:46
Yeah, I can just add to that. So essentially what? 01:57:49
This is showing that. 01:57:52
Existing. 01:57:53
Road. It's where the road is currently. 01:57:55
Not because it's not within the PUD as to where that road. 01:57:58
Would be located outside of their property line. 01:58:02
It's showing it where it is currently. 01:58:05
And that. 01:58:08
Then working with the neighbor whose property that road is on. Then that. 01:58:10
Could shift that location of that road over. 01:58:14
But as is where the road is currently. 01:58:17
The fire access. 01:58:20
Works there and. 01:58:22
As that. 01:58:24
Would shift over if the road moves over. Fire access would still be shifted with that as well. 01:58:25
OK, so that's the explanation of the civil engineering drawing that there was a question on during public it is. 01:58:32
What is? 01:58:37
Existing conditions. 01:58:38
Thank you for clarifying. 01:58:41
Thank you. 01:58:42
I know there are a lot of comments on that southern lot being more. 01:58:45
Narrow, uh. 01:58:49
And if the. 01:58:50
The width was changed to 80 feet. The setbacks would be the same. 01:58:51
As currently. 01:58:54
Constituted with this drawing. 01:58:56
And the TUD does allow us. 01:58:59
To move the. 01:59:01
Build a bowl. 01:59:04
Space forward to preserve trees as well. 01:59:06
If it was 80 foot it had to be in certain. 01:59:09
Parameter which? 01:59:11
Would remove more trees than. 01:59:14
What we currently have outlined in. 01:59:15
Of Joanna Address. 01:59:23
And I. 01:59:26
We understand to create that privacy on the sovereign law. 01:59:28
We would try to preserve, but as we mentioned. 01:59:31
As I mentioned earlier. 01:59:35
If things need to be reworked during the construction, we plan on replanting it back. 01:59:36
To create that same privacy or more privacy between the back. 01:59:42
We aware of that and we try not to get close. 01:59:45
But the tree. 01:59:48
Up around the shut. 01:59:50
That area, you can kind of see it a little bit. 01:59:53
It's it's. 01:59:55
How? How big is that Maybe? 01:59:58
13 it more like a pine tree. It's not. 02:00:01
The mission tree in that corner. 02:00:04
And. 02:00:06
I think. Was there anything else? 02:00:09
Oh, and we did work with our lawyer. 02:00:11
I think for there were certain. 02:00:14
Document that mentioned that we were part of Florida. 02:00:17
Dry subdivision, but we. 02:00:20
I'm not part of stuff, but. 02:00:23
Or when that drive subdivision. 02:00:25
We didn't look into that and. 02:00:27
Just want to make that clear again. 02:00:30
I think we mentioned. 02:00:32
In closing, like like my grandma said, the family. 02:00:33
Has owned the land for 90 years and. 02:00:36
We'll do everything we can to. 02:00:38
And this PUD does allow for additional green space. 02:00:41
Preservation trees setbacks are. 02:00:44
Similar as Kerry mentioned earlier and wants to preserve the beauty of. 02:00:47
Holiday with. 02:00:52
These plans and this proposal. 02:00:54
Appreciate that and. 02:00:56
Don't run away just yet. I have a couple of quick questions for you. 02:00:58
So we. 02:01:01
Briefly talked about the 10 foot average. 02:01:02
Where you could go up to that 8 foot but then also bring back, is there any concerns with that being a 10 foot average versus 8 02:01:06
foot hardliner? 02:01:11
Is an 8 foot hard line. 02:01:16
Yeah, so South side, but your average still has to. 02:01:18
Feet 10 feet. 02:01:23
So you might have some parts of a structure, but. 02:01:24
Go up to that 8 foot line. 02:01:27
If you have parts of your structures that go up to 8 feet. 02:01:29
Then you might have some that are set back at like 12. 02:01:33
So that you're meeting at 10 foot average. 02:01:36
So any concerns on that if it helps preserve that tree canopy and sustains green space along that? 02:01:39
Concerning for. 02:01:46
The public comment we've heard on that South property line? 02:01:48
Yeah, no concerns. 02:01:51
OK. 02:01:52
All right, Commissioners, other questions. 02:01:55
So just to clarify. 02:02:04
That I think that was my understanding too is if that what's required in the R110. 02:02:06
Zone is. 02:02:11
Sorry. 02:02:13
20 feet. 02:02:16
From the right of way line. 02:02:18
And you're proposing 1020 feet from the center line. 02:02:20
What's required is 22 feet. 02:02:25
For a rear set back and this is proposing 55, right, That's what the. 02:02:28
The table in here says. 02:02:32
Right, OK. 02:02:34
Yeah, my other question was so someone had mentioned a part. 02:02:36
Pocket Park? So I guess I didn't understand when you said these are common areas. 02:02:39
You mean common to the neighborhood? They're going to be accessible to other people who come into the PUD. 02:02:44
Coming to the PD, got it so. 02:02:49
So anyone who lives in any of these structures would be able to access those, but it's not a neighborhood. 02:02:51
Got it. Thank you. 02:02:56
And along those lines, there wouldn't be fencing that would prohibit access to those common areas from these two rods to the 02:02:59
South. 02:03:02
No, Umm. 02:03:05
It would. It would exist as it looks. 02:03:06
Today. Umm. 02:03:08
Thank you. 02:03:10
I have a question. 02:03:11
It's obvious that. 02:03:13
The neighbors are really concerned. 02:03:15
About privacy. 02:03:17
And I have to assume. 02:03:19
That you are also concerned about preserving. 02:03:21
The character. 02:03:24
And the integrity of the. 02:03:26
The neighborhood as you see it. 02:03:29
So what can you say? 02:03:31
Tonight. 02:03:34
To assure your neighbors that. 02:03:36
You know this tree canopy and their privacy and the. 02:03:38
The character of the neighborhood that they enjoy now is going to be. 02:03:42
Preserved. I think it would. 02:03:47
I think this is an opportunity for you to say something. 02:03:49
So that they don't leave here, assuming that we. 02:03:54
That we approve this so that they don't leave here thinking that. 02:03:57
They're going to have MC Mansions built in their neighborhood and the whole character of the place is going to be destroyed. 02:04:01
Yeah. I think that that's evident in the in the research we've done leading up to this where we talked about the canopy space. 02:04:08
It's evident in. 02:04:14
Carrying on the history. 02:04:16
The family history of the lots and preserving the green space. And we want to live. 02:04:17
I lived in my grandma's house for three years growing up and enjoyed that. 02:04:22
The community and the privacy as well, so we'll do everything in our power to. 02:04:26
To do that. 02:04:30
And I think regardless of. 02:04:31
A PUD or. 02:04:34
Development. 02:04:36
Current zoning. 02:04:38
This land is. 02:04:40
Going uh. 02:04:41
To be developed. 02:04:42
Either way, and then if you. 02:04:44
We firmly believe. 02:04:46
Does allow for additional? 02:04:47
Flexibility. 02:04:49
To preserve. 02:04:50
Trees and green space. 02:04:51
All right. Any other questions for the applicant? 02:04:55
All right. Well, I think we've we've grilled this. So go ahead and have a seat. Appreciate it. And then commissioners? 02:05:00
Questions for city staff or discussion amongst each other. 02:05:06
I've got a question. I just want to clarify something that we talked about in the work meeting. 02:05:11
That from what I understand. 02:05:15
When we look at. 02:05:20
The zoning for an R110. 02:05:22
When we talk about setbacks. 02:05:25
And building heights and graduated building heights and all of that. 02:05:27
What they are proposing? 02:05:33
In their. 02:05:35
Is the same. 02:05:37
With the exception. 02:05:38
Of the accessory. 02:05:40
Building 4 foot. 02:05:44
Back in. 02:05:46
Corner. 02:05:47
Is that correct? 02:05:48
So on a 10,000 square foot lot up to. 02:05:49
14,000. 02:05:53
400 or 14,600. 02:05:56
Has a Sorry. 02:06:00
I should have gotten that drink of water 4 foot accessory building set back. 02:06:03
So that is the same. 02:06:10
That is the same. 02:06:11
So and an 80 foot wide. 02:06:13
At 10% minimum on the side is an 8 foot set back. 02:06:16
The existing lot line that's between Gene's existing house and the Rennie's house. 02:06:21
Without any sort of. 02:06:29
Review besides staff reviews like they could create a 10,000 square foot lot. 02:06:31
There and have that set back. 02:06:36
So while while it is currently existing larger. 02:06:38
They just have to move a lot wine and they have a smaller one they could. 02:06:44
Thank you. 02:06:49
All right, so I just want to touch real quick on this for the. 02:06:51
The audience of the public we have here. 02:06:58
I'm a staunch tree supporter and I love my trees and I love holiday. Let me just put that out there. And if you join me in that, I 02:07:00
encourage you to check out our Holiday City Tree Committee. 02:07:05
Go to their meetings, plant lots of trees in your garden. Force the crap out of this place because it's what makes holiday great. 02:07:11
That said. 02:07:17
Legal property rights. And you know what's the greater? 02:07:18
Future 50. 02:07:23
To 100 year big picture of things when we look at the fact we're going to grow. 02:07:24
As a community. 02:07:29
His people of living here. 02:07:30
We have to weigh out what is the short term paying for the long term gain. 02:07:33
So when I look at a private Urban Development. 02:07:37
That's been proposed tonight and I see. 02:07:41
A pretty healthy amount of open space in an R110 zone. 02:07:43
Just to be clear, it would be absurd for someone to do it, but if someone bought these four properties, bulldozed everything to 02:07:48
the ground, and then put a driveway down the middle and made a cul-de-sac, you could have six homes and no trees in there. 02:07:53
Right. So just. 02:07:59
By virtue of the zone that it's in. 02:08:01
So I feel like a private Urban Development scenario where we're preserving that open space and it sounds like. 02:08:04
You guys are all going to go home and be good neighbors to each other anyway. You all get along. You all know Gene for years. 02:08:10
Sounds to me like you probably, you know again, might be some short term pain, might be some building and growth pains with this 02:08:16
process. 02:08:20
But it also sounds like there's a decent amount of what's going to be preserved and makes. 02:08:24
You're part of the community great there. 02:08:29
Is it going to all be preserved or some of you going to have changing, you know? 02:08:31
Visibility of what you see when you lookout window possibly. 02:08:35
Right. But you can also work with your neighbors together to work through those short term pains, so. 02:08:39
Just want to throw that two cents out there and plug the Holiday City Tree Committee. 02:08:45
So with that being said, Commissioners, other thoughts or discussion around this? 02:08:49
It's a little potential. 02:08:58
So I don't know, announce the moment. 02:08:59
What's that? 02:09:01
It's a little tangential setting off. Now is the moment. 02:09:02
But I would just. 02:09:04
I would I would like to. 02:09:05
Assert the integrity of. 02:09:07
Staff and say that the same code that protects each of us is applied equal. 02:09:11
And I don't think that. 02:09:16
The idea that staff working through to find a solution for a homeowner. 02:09:18
Is the same as. 02:09:22
Bending the law. 02:09:25
Which I feel like was. 02:09:26
We're working against, yeah. 02:09:28
I agree. Thank you. 02:09:30
And then, Brad, you jumped at your microphone a couple times, Did I? Did I make a misstep anywhere in there? 02:09:32
No, I think. 02:09:37
I want to just make sure it's clear comments made. 02:09:39
Again, kind of along what Angela's saying about. 02:09:42
The city staff being an advocate for development. 02:09:45
Or for a applicant and I, I. 02:09:48
I don't think that's accurate, I don't think that's true, and it never has been. 02:09:50
The city staff helps with processing applications. 02:09:54
And whether it was? 02:09:58
You know, Mr. Hanson or the Hinckley's or anybody else, we have processed that in exactly the same way. 02:10:00
You know the city is here to. 02:10:06
You know one of the main functions of a city is to. 02:10:09
Create land use ordinances that are in place. 02:10:11
So that when development occurs, it occurs in an orderly way. 02:10:14
Preserves property rights and attempts to. 02:10:18
Umm, you know, mitigate the potential impacts, but doesn't eliminate. 02:10:22
It was never meant to. 02:10:26
And it doesn't because. 02:10:28
You know, you look around most homes. 02:10:30
In holiday, in fact, I would say all homes in holiday. 02:10:32
Have come through a subdivision process. It may not have been yesterday, it may not have been tomorrow. 02:10:35
But all of them have come through a subdivision process at some point, whether it was the county, whether it was the city. 02:10:41
So it's not a question of. 02:10:46
Is the city advocating on behalf of? 02:10:50
One particular applicant. 02:10:52
The other thing that I wanted to point out is that. 02:10:55
There was a question or a request to do a legal research on this. 02:10:58
And make sure that. 02:11:02
One particular. 02:11:04
Property owners easement is going to remain in force. 02:11:06
So, uh. 02:11:09
That's a fairly simple. 02:11:10
Question to answer. The city does not. 02:11:11
Take into consideration private easements. 02:11:13
Cities job is not to enforce or respect or. 02:11:16
Manage private easements if there's an issue with an easement. 02:11:20
And the applicant wants to. 02:11:23
Avoid the issues with that easement, which it appears they've done so here. 02:11:25
That's the applicants choice if they're able to meet all the requirements of city code. 02:11:29
Our job as staff is to make sure that city code is complied with. 02:11:34
It's not. 02:11:38
Pick and choose. 02:11:40
You know who we advocate for? If we don't advocate for, we don't advocate. 02:11:41
We are experts in. 02:11:45
The city code. 02:11:48
But. 02:11:49
Because of that, we. 02:11:50
Provide options, but we're not. 02:11:52
Advocating for one thing, I mean. 02:11:53
The Planning Commission and the other thing, a conditional use permit. I want to make sure this is clear. 02:11:55
To everyone here, conditional use. 02:12:01
Permits are not. 02:12:04
The whether or not you approve them is not conditional. 02:12:05
If that makes sense. Conditional use permits are. 02:12:09
You go through this process and if there are. 02:12:12
Reasonably anticipated. 02:12:15
Detrimental effects. 02:12:17
And you know the acronym for that is RAIDS RADE. 02:12:19
If there are rates that are identified through the planning process. 02:12:22
The Planning Commission. 02:12:26
Has the opportunity to impose. 02:12:28
Reasonable mitigating. 02:12:30
Conditions. Umm. 02:12:32
To address those specifically identified. 02:12:33
Reasonably anticipated detrimental effects. 02:12:37
That's the extent that the city has within the law, and that's Utah State code. 02:12:40
That the city has to. 02:12:45
Restrict, but it's not. It's a restriction. 02:12:48
To reduce them. 02:12:52
Reduce is the key. 02:12:53
Reduce the impacts, not eliminate the. 02:12:55
Them so. 02:12:57
During any construction process, there's going to be dust. 02:12:58
There's gonna be. 02:13:01
Trucks coming in traffic, there's going to be trades showing up. 02:13:02
They're going to be parking, they're going to be doing all of their work, all of that. 02:13:05
Just comes with. 02:13:08
Development with construction. 02:13:09
But those aren't raids that you address. The raids are the long term. 02:13:11
Permanent kind of impacts. 02:13:15
Typically. 02:13:17
What those would be in a situation like this? 02:13:18
Would be fencing. 02:13:21
For to maintain privacy. 02:13:22
Sometimes the Planning Commission has imposed. 02:13:24
Color fences. 02:13:27
Sometimes it's additional trees. 02:13:29
Are imposed requirements to impose. 02:13:31
To plant more trees than they take out. 02:13:34
Obviously, our tree ordinance. 02:13:36
As a 1 to 1. 02:13:38
Replacement ratio. 02:13:39
And that's not every city has that, by the way. 02:13:40
So Holiday does take that very seriously. 02:13:44
But uh. 02:13:47
I just want to make sure that the process of. 02:13:48
People have certain property rights that they have when they own property. 02:13:50
And oftentimes when you have. 02:13:54
Notices that come out and there's development that's happening next to you. 02:13:57
You get a notice that says hey, there's. 02:14:01
You know an application for land use change has been. 02:14:03
Has been filed. 02:14:05
And what that? 02:14:07
Typically does is people believe. 02:14:07
You know, because. 02:14:09
It doesn't happen very often. 02:14:11
That if the city gave them notice, it means. 02:14:13
That if everybody gangs up and they can prevent the development. 02:14:15
And I want to make it clear that that's not the case. This isn't a vote saying I get to vote on. 02:14:19
Whether my neighbor gets to develop their property or not. 02:14:24
No, this is we want the public involved in the process. 02:14:27
We want the public to engage with the Planning Commission. 02:14:30
But it's not, at the end of the day, the Planning Commission. 02:14:34
Doesn't have this huge operating. 02:14:37
Window to say you can't do that. 02:14:39
They have a very narrow box that says. 02:14:41
Yes, we you can do this but. 02:14:44
You have to plant more trees, you have to put a fence up you have to deal with. 02:14:46
You know these challenges, and nobody likes change. 02:14:50
Right, I love trees too. I had my neighbor had to cut down 3 trees or a house. 02:14:53
Last week. 02:14:57
Huge impact in my house. 02:14:59
But they were on her property and one of them was falling over into my house. 02:15:01
So having removed that one, I'm grateful for that one, but the other two she chose because the previous homeowner planted them too 02:15:04
close together. 02:15:07
And they weren't healthy. 02:15:10
So. 02:15:11
You know, I didn't like that. 02:15:12
I would have print. 02:15:15
Preferred that she kept that. 02:15:16
But my point being is that. 02:15:17
The Planning Commission has. 02:15:19
A fairly narrow window in what they're able to. 02:15:21
To maneuver in here. 02:15:24
And is limited to. 02:15:26
Not approving or denying. It's limited to. 02:15:27
Approving with what conditions? 02:15:30
A long time ago. 02:15:33
This is superfluous, but a long time ago. 02:15:34
Conditional use permits. 02:15:37
We're just that conditional and you. 02:15:39
Planning Commission or the City Council didn't have to grant them. 02:15:41
The law has changed on that. 02:15:44
Our legislature is very pro development, very pro developer. 02:15:46
And. 02:15:49
Recognizing. 02:15:51
That we have. 02:15:53
Housing constraints and we are locked with mountains on either side. 02:15:55
So. 02:15:58
Infill is really the only option. 02:15:59
So. 02:16:01
I know that never believes that, but that's. 02:16:02
That's kind of the situation. I just want everybody understand that. 02:16:04
The Planning Commission does not have a lot of leeway. 02:16:07
On whether they approve this or not. 02:16:10
They have there's requirements they have to go through. 02:16:11
And if the Planning Commission there wasn't decided, additional. 02:16:14
Mitigating factors. 02:16:18
Should be imposed. 02:16:19
Then they have the ability to do those within. 02:16:20
Reasonable limits. 02:16:23
Thank you very much for clarifying. 02:16:26
Done. And one more thing that I'd like to. 02:16:29
And it's just as a point of clarification, looking at this document. Oh. 02:16:31
That's no longer on the screen. I'm sorry. 02:16:34
How that happened? 02:16:38
There we go. 02:16:39
Just to clarify as you review. 02:16:42
The what would be designated as the building area in the common area. 02:16:45
Common area is the term used for ownership. 02:16:49
So if you're looking at preservation of the of the space. 02:16:52
That common area and preservation should be. 02:16:56
Put together. 02:16:59
When you look at emotion. 02:17:00
So if anything that's in common in this area should also be looked at as. 02:17:02
As a tree can be preservation area. 02:17:07
That would be limited to how much and how. 02:17:10
Removal of canopy could take place there. 02:17:12
Common just use is used on the plat to determine to denote. 02:17:15
Held, that space is owned and maintained by the CCR. 02:17:19
Additionally, the lot that's in the top left. 02:17:23
Is missing some. 02:17:27
Denotations may be requested from the output. What that is? 02:17:29
At staff level if. 02:17:34
You know in 30 years when that house gets. 02:17:36
Redeveloped potentially or added to. 02:17:39
We'll be looking at this platform direction and there's not much direction there. 02:17:41
Unless it's the building pad and whatever else is common. 02:17:45
Which is should be. 02:17:48
Replaced with the white. 02:17:50
Just I'm not. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe just. 02:17:53
Ask And is that something we would need before we could make any kind of motion deniers when you look at? 02:17:55
Because you already did. You're you're establishing. 02:18:02
The building paths for each lot and what's shown is common. I think it needs to be clarified. 02:18:04
Especially if you're going to use that when you get into the next step for the subdivision. 02:18:09
So then with that understanding that that would be. 02:18:14
Obviously something we need in there and it's not in front of us tonight. 02:18:17
Would we want to continue this or you can use it as a condition of approval or whatever motion you derive that is to extend that 02:18:21
common area to include the rest of. 02:18:25
A lot in that north. 02:18:30
That northeast lot, if that makes sense. OK. 02:18:32
That's the intent. I'm not sure what the applicants intent is for there, but. 02:18:35
It seems there's some information missing. 02:18:39
Makes sense? 02:18:42
Thank you. Appreciate that. 02:18:44
Commissioners and. 02:18:46
Well, it sounds to me like we need clarification on that particular item. 02:18:48
Or we can go in. 02:18:51
And with that, can we ask the applicant to come back up and just give a quick input? Is this supposed to be? 02:18:53
Is the white area around lot? 02:18:59
Whatever it was, this existing house. 02:19:02
Is that? 02:19:04
Supposed to be part of your. 02:19:05
Preserved open area. 02:19:07
Yes. 02:19:13
OK, umm. 02:19:14
OK. So in any motions made, we need to make sure that we call out. 02:19:19
The building lots and that all the open. 02:19:25
Green and white delineated areas in this. 02:19:29
Civil drawing bar. 02:19:32
Preserved open space. 02:19:34
Right, OK. 02:19:38
I feel like I'm going to end up making a motion on this one. 02:19:40
What I'm interested in. 02:19:48
Covering for a moment of fencing. 02:19:50
We haven't talked about. 02:19:53
Fencing as a mitigation. 02:19:54
Dealing with privacy and things. 02:19:57
Um, what? 02:20:00
What is the requirement for fencing on a PUD? 02:20:03
In terms of height and. 02:20:08
Continuity. 02:20:11
So there's not a requirement for fencing. 02:20:12
Umm, it may be something that the applicant would be interested. 02:20:15
In doing or already planning on doing. 02:20:19
Pretty common in a lot of development is that they want to. 02:20:24
Fencing anyway, so. 02:20:27
The standard fence height is 6 feet. 02:20:30
On property lines. 02:20:34
There is an allowance for a 8 foot property line or sorry. 02:20:35
8 foot high fence. 02:20:41
On private roads. 02:20:42
So adjacent private roads you can have an 8 foot fence. 02:20:43
Other than that, 6 feet. 02:20:48
You can do an 8 foot. 02:20:50
Fence height agreement between. 02:20:52
Neighbors, if you have a signed agreement saying that both parties agree to an 8 foot. 02:20:54
Python, so that is. 02:21:00
You do a whole thing. 02:21:02
And that's just under our standard fencing permit if the neighbors want to do an 8 foot fence. 02:21:04
There would be a fencing permit that records that signature and agreement between those two parties. 02:21:09
And then besides that, fencing permits are required for anything along a street. 02:21:15
What? 02:21:25
I mean, I don't know that. 02:21:26
There would be. 02:21:28
I mean, I didn't get anybody from the public that was like, oh, I hate their yard and I. 02:21:29
You know, I don't want to see any part of it. It would be in the ordinary to. 02:21:34
Required offense or something like that as a condition. 02:21:39
It's nobody's asking for. 02:21:41
Right. Yeah, OK. 02:21:43
Reasonable. I would say offensive, poor substitute for. 02:21:45
Gorgeous, lush trees. 02:21:48
And I and I do trust that. 02:21:50
If folks are going to develop them with them, live in it, they're more. 02:21:52
You know, more motivated than the average developer to. 02:21:57
Preserve what's? 02:22:00
But what are? 02:22:02
I know there. 02:22:04
Sort of best practices. Can we require best practices be used? 02:22:05
In terms of tree preservation. 02:22:10
Or is that already implied? 02:22:12
I think there was that was detailed on the. 02:22:14
Beauty site plan. 02:22:19
That shows. 02:22:21
Tree preservation standards. 02:22:22
Umm, so that that can be detailed on your. 02:22:25
Plant unit development. 02:22:28
Just to clarify, on those tree preservation standards that were included in the application with that ISA standards or is that 02:22:30
some other? 02:22:33
Tree Preservation standard. 02:22:37
I think that was a. 02:22:39
Not Asheville, but another engineering standard. But you can. 02:22:41
To modify that to be included Isaac. 02:22:45
For those unfamiliar, ISA is the International Society of Arborists, and they have a little bit stricter. 02:22:50
Guidelines on helping trees survive construction. 02:22:57
Yeah, which I think would be. 02:23:01
Hopefully if it's you know the intent and a big concern. 02:23:04
Right, OK. 02:23:07
All right, so. 02:23:11
I think we're at a point. 02:23:14
I'm going to give this a world. 02:23:15
Do I have to read all thirteen of these? 02:23:17
Or can I just say one through 13? 02:23:20
You can reference the staff report. Thank you. 02:23:23
All right, sorry. 02:23:26
Commissioner at Sherman Grocery. I would also. 02:23:27
And add in your additional conditions if you are adding to what is in the stack report we discussed the. 02:23:30
Average set back. 02:23:37
On the side, 10 foot average and 8 foot. 02:23:39
Closest point also those the condition to. 02:23:42
Make sure that that green areas encompass all of that. 02:23:46
And the additional one of the ISA tree protection standards. 02:23:50
During construction noted on the PED site plan. 02:23:55
OK. Is that what we're looking at site plan here? Is that what I need to refer to it? OK. 02:24:01
All right, wish me luck. Here we go. 02:24:07
Got it. Alright, this is Chair Roach I moved to. 02:24:10
I move for approval of a planned unit development for Hinckley Estates, a residential 4 unit development. 02:24:15
Within the R110 zone located at 4880. 02:24:22
8 So 4888 S floor abundant. I need to list the other homes there. 02:24:26
You again can refer to the. 02:24:32
OK. 02:24:34
And adjacent properties were included in the application finding. 02:24:35
Proposal. Uh. 02:24:39
Meets the conditions of the staff Report items one through 13. 02:24:40
In addition. 02:24:45
That there is a 10 foot. 02:24:46
Average. 02:24:49
Set back on the South. 02:24:51
Building line of lot 4. 02:24:55
Just the South or the whole thing? 02:24:58
Well, to preserve the trees. 02:25:01
Just the South, right? 02:25:03
Um, and that the tree protect. 02:25:05
Protection Zones. 02:25:09
Mentioned in the application be held to the ISA standards. 02:25:11
For tree protection. 02:25:15
And also that the green and white areas of the PUD site plan be designated as preservation zones and free canopy protection zones. 02:25:19
Does he have to designate that to the green light in the civil? 02:25:30
The updated Civil. 02:25:33
Well, how do we know what? 02:25:37
Beauty site plan, that's on the screen, right? That's where the inconsistency is on the civil plan, but the PUD site plan I 02:25:38
believe already has that showing. So it's just. 02:25:43
There's that cautionary condition, just to make sure. 02:25:48
That the civil plan. 02:25:52
Not just the beauty site plan. 02:25:54
That civil plan, Duchesse, the PUD that's on the screen. 02:25:56
Whatever I'm looking at right now. 02:26:01
Bradley good. Just reference the page. 02:26:05
Just so it's clear that the. 02:26:09
C02 That's around lot 1, correct? 02:26:12
There's an inconsistency on lot 1 just to make sure that that inconsistency. 02:26:15
Becomes consistent with the PUD site plan. 02:26:18
This is Commissioner Prince. I'll second that motion. 02:26:22
All right, I have a motion and a second Commissioner Fond. 02:26:28
Aye, Mr. Prince. 02:26:31
Mishnad hi. 02:26:33
And share Roach folks, I. 02:26:34
OK, so that will move forward. Hey, that was a lot of fun. 02:26:37
Good times, all right. And then we got one left with this and on the another applicant after this has been very patiently waiting, 02:26:41
waiting and not falling asleep. 02:26:45
For those of you that want to go out and have fun in the hall. 02:26:49
Thank you for your attendance. Please be quiet as you exit as we continue to work through these. 02:26:52
And enjoying those. These are whatever is happening down the hall. 02:26:56
So moving on to the next item number 3. 02:27:01
The PUD conditional use permit now #4I apologize. Preliminary plan and flat. 02:27:05
So carry her up. 02:27:12
Alright. 02:27:17
Preliminary plat development. So this is. 02:27:19
3rd uh. 02:27:22
Public hearing associated with this. 02:27:24
Standard subdivision process, but now taking those PUD elements that have been approved with the conditions as noted in the staff 02:27:26
report. 02:27:31
And applying those now to the. 02:27:36
Legal that. 02:27:39
Preliminary plat development approval. 02:27:42
Analysis there that it is compliant with the R110 zone. 02:27:45
We've got utility connection wheel serve letters. 02:27:49
Storm water and erasure control plans. 02:27:53
Have been or will be addressed with the City Engineer. 02:27:56
There as they work into their. 02:27:59
Pre construction which will be. 02:28:03
Down the line. 02:28:05
Umm, they will. 02:28:06
Then do their Switzerland which is storm water. 02:28:09
That's only relevant during your construction period. 02:28:12
So that's noted on that review. 02:28:16
Dust mitigation during construction, that's also. 02:28:19
At the time of construction. 02:28:21
Civil plans. 02:28:24
Making sure that those civil plans. 02:28:26
Reflect the PUD site plan. 02:28:29
And then before final is. 02:28:32
Approved by the city that any. 02:28:34
Outstanding civil comments are addressed with the City Engineer. 02:28:38
And then ownership. 02:28:41
That there's title that reflects the pledge. 02:28:44
That's been checked out. That was included in your. 02:28:47
Packet and all the buildable areas shown in the PUD are shown on the flats. 02:28:49
So subdivision plots are what you see typically they won't have all the colors and all of that. It's a very basic here on the lot 02:28:56
lines. 02:29:01
Here is the identified building areas. 02:29:06
And that is what is recorded with all of the relevant plat nodes regarding. 02:29:08
Easements. 02:29:14
Storm water that's managed per. 02:29:16
Property or per lot? 02:29:18
What else is on there? 02:29:22
It's it's all the. 02:29:25
Technicalities of ownership so. 02:29:26
Creates those plot lines and designates for those building areas are so taking those things from the concept. 02:29:29
Or from the beauty. 02:29:35
Flat transposing it into a lethal subdivision document. 02:29:36
So recommendation from staff is an approval on this. 02:29:41
With a condition that all those PUD elements are incorporated on the Plex as needed. 02:29:46
All right. And I'm just going to misstep here real quick and. 02:29:51
Confirm with the applicant did you have anything to add or do you feel comfortable with that? 02:29:55
Applicant feels good. We won't invite the applicant up unless you guys have any questions for the applicant at this time or city 02:30:00
staff will go ahead and open up the public hearing. Were there any questions? Just a quick question in the last in one of the 02:30:04
drawings. 02:30:08
We saw storm water fixtures but those are not on here because this is updated. 02:30:13
Right, that updated one households removed, they will be dismantled at a. 02:30:18
Building permit stage. 02:30:24
Thank you. 02:30:26
And with that, we will open up the public hearing for any public comment that's directly related to checking all the technical 02:30:27
boxes that Kerry just covered with us. 02:30:32
In relation to this property. So does anyone have public comment to make at this time? 02:30:37
All right. Looks like we got all that out of the way with the PUD, so we'll go ahead and close the public comment. 02:30:44
And commissioners. 02:30:50
Any discussion needed on this? 02:30:53
I feel like staff was very thorough and diligent what they needed to do and I am ready to entertain a motion. 02:30:56
This is Commissioner Prince I Motion for approval of the preliminary plat for Hinckley Estates A4 unit residential subdivision. 02:31:03
In the R110 zone located at 4888. 02:31:10
4890. 02:31:14
4880 S Flora Bunda Dr. and 2830 E Sleepy Hollow Drive. 02:31:15
With the findings listed in the staff report. 02:31:21
And with the conditions listed in the staff report as well. 02:31:25
And within one year and in accordance with 13 point 108.070 point E approval of the. 02:31:29
Final plat by the technical review committee. 02:31:36
I second. 02:31:39
Commissioner Gong Seconds will call for a vote. Commissioner for. 02:31:40
Mr. Prince Aye, Mr. Gong Aye and Chair Roche votes. 02:31:43
Question. No. No. 02:31:47
OK, uh. 02:31:49
And with that check. 02:31:50
Look at that, Hinckley Estates. You guys made it boom. 02:31:52
Hope you have a great night. Continue to be great neighbors. Appreciate it. 02:31:57
All right. 02:32:02
Chair, I'd like a 5 minute recess and with that we will take a quick 5 minute break. We'll be back. 02:32:04
Thank you so well. 02:32:09
We'll get through these guys. 02:32:24
I told you 9:00. 02:32:27
Make sure to say that over here. 02:32:33
I am so when I was. 02:33:05
We've been eating Jolly Ranchers. 02:33:10
I I. 02:33:27
Yeah. 02:33:47
I want to use anybody else? 02:34:25
Commercial. 02:35:22
Clock so. 02:36:39
Can. 02:36:42
Ohh yes. 02:36:48
Yeah. 02:36:50
We didn't put my girlfriend. 02:37:11
I just appreciate. 02:37:22
Okay. 02:37:44
Is that Newsies that I'm hearing down the ball? 02:37:46
That's what. OK. 02:37:49
We thought it was choir rehearsal. 02:37:52
They just started surprised. 02:38:00
All right. 02:38:16
What? What? 02:38:28
Have some more sugar we'll make. 02:38:33
We got 45 minutes and. 02:38:39
Three agenda items. 02:38:41
So. 02:38:45
If we spend. 02:38:47
12 and 13 1/2 minutes per item. We'll get there before 9:00. 02:38:49
I'm feeling. 02:38:54
We can do this. 02:38:55
I can't believe you. 02:38:56
By 8 Oh. 02:38:58
I've drawn it up. I don't care. We'll continue. 02:39:02
9:00 I expired. That's my role. 02:39:05
All right, here we go. 02:39:08
Back on the clock. 02:39:10
We consolidate agendas. 02:39:14
Yeah. 02:39:18
Was called blessed release. All right, John, you're at #5. 02:39:20
Thank you, Chair Roche #5. On your agenda tonight is a site plan. 02:39:26
That's being proposed in the Royal Holiday Hills subdivision redevelopment site, Block C. 02:39:30
You've seen before. 02:39:36
Lexi was approved for a site Development Fund. 02:39:38
To include the Chase Bank, which is under construction right now. 02:39:42
A subdivision plat was a. 02:39:45
Was created for that. 02:39:47
Block. The applicant now has additional. 02:39:48
Tenants users for. 02:39:52
Block C so. 02:39:54
The application tonight is to amend. 02:39:56
Block C to include. 02:39:59
A new lot that would be used for a retail space. 02:40:01
Right up fronting up on Rodeo Walk Dr. 02:40:05
I'm getting better at saying that. 02:40:08
Drive they didn't use to roll off the truck anyway. 02:40:10
So in addition to that 10,000 square foot lot or. 02:40:14
Building umm. 02:40:19
You have a parking plan and a landscaping plan. 02:40:20
Included in your packet. 02:40:23
What you're also seeing is a couple of other building pads. 02:40:25
On that site, those are simply placeholders. 02:40:28
Really looking at what would be called the rough living building. 02:40:30
And in addition to the. 02:40:36
Proposed Site Plan Site development plan includes a land use table. 02:40:38
The uses here are in the Open Land Use Zone, Land Use District. 02:40:44
Which obviously allows for retail. 02:40:48
The site is just parked right with it with a shared parking allowance for. 02:40:52
I think there's a total of 80 stalls in that whole area. 02:40:56
So they're adding an additional 55 or so. 02:41:00
To accommodate the retail spaces. 02:41:03
For this southern half of this block C. 02:41:06
The landscaping plant that you'll see in the packet is. 02:41:10
Primarily used by the applicants to serve for compliance with the SDMP, but it also complies with. 02:41:14
Our parking lot landscaping ordinance. 02:41:21
So that's something that the TRC looked at was very simple to review because it definitely complies. 02:41:24
The second part of this is, well, primarily you're looking for a preliminary site plan approval. 02:41:32
And then in addition to that, the subdivision plat amendment which creates the lot. 02:41:38
Of ownership. 02:41:43
For the site for about breath living property. 02:41:45
Oh, Terry, if you go back to the illustrations, the elevations. 02:41:51
The SDMP requires the Planning Commission to review. 02:41:57
Architecture. 02:42:00
Vest upon a palette of. 02:42:02
Styles and the SDMP. 02:42:03
So you might want to ask the applicant about. 02:42:07
The style that is elected here. 02:42:10
And how it can? 02:42:13
Matches what's been proposed with the site overall. 02:42:14
But other than that, staff has recommended approval for preliminary plan. 02:42:18
For block C and the subdivision. 02:42:22
Amendment for Block C Lot. 02:42:25
To a. 02:42:27
So if you have any other questions I'd be happy to. 02:42:30
Any questions for city staff? 02:42:34
Very thorough, John. Thank you. 02:42:37
So I invite the applicant up. 02:42:39
So, so I just have a quick question you said. 02:42:40
The parking lot ordinance is how you said. 02:42:43
Or landscaping. 02:42:47
What is that, 1377? 02:42:52
Is it 1377? Yeah, 1377 has the landscaping words, and then there's the parking lot requirements. 02:42:57
Under that section. 02:43:03
That's why you have to have tree number of cells that need to have a tree island. 02:43:06
Landscaping island with a tree in a. 02:43:11
Good. Excellent. 02:43:13
Good evening Steve Peterson at 6147 S Vernesco Holiday, Utah. 02:43:21
Yeah. So on, on the block C, we have 4 buildings going in there. We have the chase. 02:43:26
Building that's been approved before. 02:43:31
Lost living and that we have our house so becoming. 02:43:33
To you later this year. 02:43:37
They're the one next. 02:43:39
This block and then the isolated 1 is. 02:43:41
Visual comfort. 02:43:45
So they're all. 02:43:46
Tight into. 02:43:47
You know, housing and. 02:43:49
You know, supporting that. 02:43:53
That industry, but. 02:43:55
We're finding that this is going to become more of a design center from what we saw in. 02:43:57
Seeing in Scottsdale, AZ. 02:44:01
And in addition to the other uses, but it would be a. 02:44:06
Century, really high end quality. 02:44:09
Vendors and providers or. 02:44:13
Furniture and utility. 02:44:16
And appliances and things like that. 02:44:18
In the center, so we're really happy with the direction that's taking. 02:44:20
My God need valet to park there. 02:44:24
Probably not. You know, actually. 02:44:27
Like for example. 02:44:30
Roth Living. 02:44:33
They do a lot of their. 02:44:37
Have to show them but why the people shop and then? 02:44:38
They purchase online after they've seen the. 02:44:41
My, you know, so it's going to have. 02:44:44
Impact in terms of traffic. 02:44:47
That way. 02:44:49
Yeah, I mean it's. 02:44:50
Looks like it's pretty straightforward style of exterior with something that staff alluded to and how that's going to tie into 02:44:54
everything out there. Can you comment on that for us? Yeah, in the architectural designs, we have a couple of buildings there that 02:44:58
are. 02:45:02
Contemporary flat roofs and have those. 02:45:07
Contemporary lines We've carried that through with the block B and block D with the. 02:45:09
The condos and the townhomes were certain. 02:45:14
Returning that same thing through. 02:45:16
It ties in those same elements with window lines and. 02:45:19
In rough lines. 02:45:22
Can you point out the elements in the SDMP style guide? 02:45:26
That have directed this building on the water that's flat roof lot of glass and. 02:45:32
Has more of a contemporary feel to it. 02:45:38
I know in that those architectural styles that lends more towards Tuscan, which was more. 02:45:41
Current, you know. 02:45:48
15 years ago or so when it was. 02:45:50
And it might be something that we want to. 02:45:53
Maybe consider taking a look at and updating some of the styles as we go forward. But. 02:45:56
But what we have done is we've taken elements, whether it be. 02:46:02
The windows with the glass. 02:46:06
Or the flat roofs. 02:46:08
And we've incorporated those in this design so we can. 02:46:11
Show and identify as we have in the past. 02:46:14
Elements through within those. 02:46:17
Design guidelines of the architecture. 02:46:19
The illustration we've got here, I see what appears to be. 02:46:22
Slate or stone? 02:46:26
Type exterior and what I guess is maybe stucco on some of the other parts of the first floor. Is that what's going to be 02:46:28
incorporated here then? 02:46:32
Yeah. 02:46:36
Correct. All right. 02:46:38
Yeah, I mean. 02:46:41
Looks very contemporary to me, so. 02:46:43
Do the do the tenants? 02:46:45
That are lined up now have any say in the. 02:46:49
Aesthetics of the outside. 02:46:51
This actually came with your input. 02:46:55
So the tenant that's living in to this Roth living. 02:46:57
They'll actually own this. 02:47:04
And so it's. 02:47:07
One of the arrangements were made with them to. 02:47:10
To bring to the site. 02:47:12
So as I look at this it looks like. 02:47:15
Two sides of the building are. 02:47:20
Graduated height. 02:47:23
Essentially where it looks like it goes in step and then up and then there's just the one side of it that's just straight flat 02:47:25
wall. Is that it? 02:47:28
Yeah, and it. 02:47:33
It's and the height is only two stories. 02:47:34
So it's. 02:47:38
It's one story less than B and. 02:47:39
We have 5 stories on D so you know the scale is. 02:47:42
Appropriate for that block C and all those buildings would be. 02:47:46
1-2 or three story buildings so. 02:47:50
You know, looks like someone wants to assist in answering that. 02:47:53
I've been working with Roth on their design. 02:47:56
These are really preliminary, I mean they have like 4 pages of architectural guns so far. 02:47:59
We don't like the big. 02:48:03
Oh, Brown Wall. And we're going to make them change that. 02:48:06
Their top floor. 02:48:11
So there are single floor. 02:48:12
With the second floor it takes up maybe. 02:48:14
Half as much room as the ground floor. 02:48:18
And then? 02:48:21
Blue carriers are all going to be either green roof or outdoor chairs. 02:48:22
I love that. 02:48:26
I love the idea of green roof and I'm sorry name and address for the record. 02:48:28
I'm the director of development for them. 02:48:32
All 56 acres. 02:48:35
That feels OK. Thank you. 02:48:36
He's more on the inside on this particular. 02:48:38
So so and I really like that what that she's just mentioned. How do we. 02:48:41
How do we marry that with what we're seeing here? 02:48:48
To have approval. 02:48:51
Conceptual preliminary so the design will evolve and. 02:48:55
Go through. 02:48:59
The planning. 02:49:01
This is concept. Thank you. 02:49:05
Yeah, All right. Perfect. Any other questions for the applicant? 02:49:07
I know I kind of peruse Roth livings. 02:49:12
Trying to get an idea of what that all is. That's a different world. 02:49:14
To me so. 02:49:17
Think of our house very similar. Excuse me? 02:49:18
Restoration hardware, yeah. 02:49:22
Yeah, I just, I'm wondering if if it's just. 02:49:24
Not necessarily sales, but. 02:49:27
Is there going to be like the? 02:49:29
Kitchen cooking classic class element to it as well. 02:49:31
Jeff Jonas. 02:49:35
3428. 02:49:37
Westview Trail, Park City. 02:49:39
I'm on the board of. 02:49:40
Of living. 02:49:42
And we've been in. 02:49:44
In Foothill Village for I think 35 years now. 02:49:46
Are glad to be moving into a holiday. 02:49:51
To answer your question, John, yes we will. 02:49:54
If you've ever been to the showroom. 02:49:58
In Foothill, we do have an element that. 02:50:01
Has a culinary center. 02:50:04
That those cooking classes. 02:50:06
In lessons for people who are purchasing the appliances. 02:50:08
I'd like to purchase an appliance to get a cooking class. 02:50:12
Yeah. 02:50:15
That helps, I just wanted to know if it. 02:50:20
If you're looking at a sort of an intensity of what the level of parking. 02:50:22
Would be. That probably would be. 02:50:26
Something like that. And those were almost. 02:50:27
Always be in the evenings. 02:50:30
So when there's less retail? 02:50:32
Gotcha. 02:50:35
Thank you very much. 02:50:38
Appreciate it. 02:50:39
All right. And I think we've heard from everyone in the room, but. 02:50:40
By law will open the public comment. Anybody want to make a comment on this? 02:50:43
All right, so with that, we'll close the comment and. 02:50:49
Public hearing and the commissioners. 02:50:52
Additional questions, thoughts, comments. 02:50:55
Mr. McDonald, thank you. 02:51:00
It's nice knowing the specific. 02:51:06
Tenants will be there and that's exciting to. 02:51:09
So I feel like we can visualize. 02:51:12
What's going to be inside those spaces and? 02:51:14
What will draw people there? 02:51:16
I know these are super preliminary, I would just say maybe consider not having green lawn. 02:51:18
As shown here. But that's the later stage. 02:51:22
And justice the. 02:51:26
So much parking lot. 02:51:29
So much, so much. Parking lot everywhere. 02:51:31
I don't think that's the subject of this. 02:51:34
What we're talking about right now, tonight. 02:51:36
I'll just point out that. 02:51:38
I think that's unfortunate. 02:51:39
In terms of the effect that it will have on the walkability. 02:51:41
Of people coming out down Murray Holiday. 02:51:44
In terms of the aesthetics from the road. 02:51:48
It's very convenient for car drivers. 02:51:51
So anyway, that's a general design thing, but that is not what we are addressing today. 02:51:55
Anecdotally, I'll add that 10 years ago I challenged Steve to put in some green roof. 02:51:59
On parking structures. 02:52:05
I'd still hold him to that challenge. He laughed at me and said it's too expensive, but I bet you could do it. 02:52:07
All right. So with that, unless there's additional questions, I. 02:52:14
Think it's pretty straightforward and the applicant has presented kind of what the intent is and. 02:52:19
That looks to me like it falls in scope. So with that, does anyone want to make a motion on this one? 02:52:25
This is Commissioner Prince I motion to approve the preliminary commercial site development plan, an amendment to the subdivision 02:52:31
plan. 02:52:34
Or block C. 02:52:38
Enabling the development of Royal Holiday Hills Block sea lot to a in the RMU zone located at 48. 02:52:40
33 S Sunset Blvd. Lane. 02:52:46
With final site plan and plat approvals to be delegated to staff. 02:52:49
The motion is based on the findings listed in the staff report. 02:52:53
And includes the commissions for final approval. 02:52:56
That uh, uh. 02:53:00
They work with the City Engineering on any clarifications to submit a stormwater drainage report. 02:53:02
And that the applicant will work with staff on all needful clarifications. 02:53:08
Umm, that they have. 02:53:12
This is Commissioner Font. I'll second that motion. All right, we have a motion and a second. 02:53:15
Start down here, Commissioner. 02:53:20
Commissioner Prince Aye. 02:53:22
Commissioner Ford aye and Chair Roche votes aye. So with that it will move forward. 02:53:23
All right. And then John in the hot seat again to talk to us about item number six. 02:53:28
Thank you, Chair Roach. 02:53:42
So as development at the Royal Holiday Hills. 02:53:44
Rolls on. 02:53:48
We're beginning to see elements of. 02:53:50
The site development master plan that needs some clarification. 02:53:53
Specifically in this application. 02:53:57
We're looking mainly at. 02:53:59
Parking How parking is dealt with within the site. 02:54:01
And signage on the exterior of the site. 02:54:05
There's an element in this or a page in the Site Development Master plan that talks about. 02:54:10
Land uses on blocks and land uses within levels. 02:54:15
And that specifically is one of the couple of pages we want to focus on. 02:54:21
So this page right here. 02:54:25
You'll see is the primarily the page we use to establish. 02:54:28
Compliance with uses that are proposed. 02:54:32
In the site. 02:54:34
You have 3. 02:54:36
Essentially 3 land use districts. 02:54:37
Open, limited and restricted. 02:54:40
Open obviously being the majority of the site which is available to almost. 02:54:43
Well all the all the uses within the land use table. 02:54:47
And then as you move toward the neighborhoods to the east. 02:54:50
Those uses. 02:54:54
To manage into in intensity. 02:54:55
And. 02:54:57
And in height as well. 02:54:59
But above that. 02:55:02
Is a. 02:55:03
Plan that shows mind uses by block and you'll see in the upper. 02:55:05
Left, which would be the corner of Murray Holiday and Highland Drive. 02:55:09
The land use for block A. 02:55:13
His soul is parking. 02:55:16
Surface parking. 02:55:18
Sorry. 02:55:20
Not a good time yet. 02:55:21
Agreed, you know, and that's something that. 02:55:23
Is AI want? 02:55:26
I use the word relic, but it's it's an element that was. 02:55:28
Intended to be. 02:55:31
There for a reason. 02:55:33
And that reason was a tenant that was intended to also stay. 02:55:35
A tenant is no longer there. 02:55:39
And their their intent was to have no obstruction between. 02:55:40
Visual side of the street to their building. 02:55:44
That situation has completely changed. 02:55:48
And the applicant is looking for. 02:55:50
Development right up on that corner. 02:55:53
Not a lot of development on the. 02:55:56
But to clarify, that block a TV used as some building pads. 02:55:58
So this image. 02:56:03
In that upper right corner just goes away. 02:56:04
And we're just going to focus on the open, limited, restricted. 02:56:06
Image. 02:56:11
To be used to determine. 02:56:12
Permitted uses within each zoning district. 02:56:15
I think that's fairly straightforward. 02:56:18
So therefore it eliminates, you know? 02:56:21
Limiting surface parking for a whole entire block and you can see it also. 02:56:24
Is scattered throughout the rest of the site. 02:56:29
So the site parking plan is the main meat and potatoes of how the the. 02:56:34
The parking is dealt with on the site. There's an analysis that goes with this plan. 02:56:39
It also addresses. 02:56:44
How parking structures are to be placed within each block. 02:56:46
And buildings, especially when you see black. 02:56:50
C which is completed now. 02:56:53
It has an interior structured parking that's going to support the parking just for that. 02:56:55
Use the residential, the condos above and the. 02:57:00
The retail is that she's. 02:57:03
Around that parking structure. 02:57:05
That still remains. 02:57:08
To this day. 02:57:10
But in order to clarify how that. 02:57:11
Upper left corner, the blockage surface parking lot. 02:57:13
This image is proposed to be modified. 02:57:18
And I'll let the applicant go through the details of how the modifications of parking structures have occurred in the last. 02:57:21
Even the last eight months. 02:57:28
Within the within the last year. 02:57:30
On creating. 02:57:32
Larger parking structures within the development and how that parking structure is going to be. 02:57:34
Implemented for. 02:57:38
The the owners within. 02:57:39
It's like the Royal Holiday Hills development itself. 02:57:41
So Kara, if you want to move to. 02:57:45
We're going to skip. 02:57:48
The signage 1. 02:57:49
So here you can see the proposed. 02:57:50
Page for the permitted land use districts. That image goes away. 02:57:53
The Landis regulatory plan has some clarifications. 02:57:57
As to what the flex areas are. 02:58:01
And also addresses what the parking would use for this next image. 02:58:04
Site plan. 02:58:09
The site plan for the parking area gets changed a little bit and you'll notice. 02:58:10
Right off the bat. 02:58:14
That a good. 02:58:15
Oh, I'd say to you. 02:58:17
40% of block A. 02:58:19
Is now available. 02:58:21
For buildings and not just surface parking. 02:58:23
The dark red there is still. 02:58:27
Going to be designated as parking lot. 02:58:29
That it allows the upper or the most extreme northwest corner to be available for. 02:58:32
Commercial pads. 02:58:39
And in that S corner. 02:58:40
It's right. 02:58:42
Did you come into the side right now? 02:58:46
But. 02:58:49
Commercial companies. 02:58:52
So is the parking. 02:58:54
Wow, sorry, so the parking structure no longer? 02:58:56
No, the parking structure remains. 02:59:01
In place. 02:59:03
And on each one of the blocks. 02:59:05
But it is clarified in. 02:59:08
It's not as big as it needed to be. 02:59:10
Originally thought. 02:59:12
And I'll let the applicant talk a little bit about that. 02:59:14
So the levels of the parking decks get lower. 02:59:17
And. 02:59:19
Basically the parking has been shifted around based upon look. 02:59:21
Current development has been happening over the last. 02:59:24
Three years or so. 02:59:26
So to clarify, this is an amendment for all future. 02:59:28
Parking structures being built, not just the blockade down there on the corner right. 02:59:32
Yeah, primarily addresses that blockade surface parking, but it also. 02:59:37
Brings them to play what has been previously approved. 02:59:42
For what's called a project improvement or. 02:59:46
I always get that PID. 02:59:50
Would you want to go over that? What that is? 02:59:52
Yeah, we'll talk about that. 02:59:55
Project Improvement District is a structured parking deck to the council needed to approve. 02:59:58
And we can talk about that and that's going to be located. 03:00:02
In this image in the upper middle. 03:00:05
And it's split by blocks. 03:00:09
I think that's. 03:00:11
J and KH. 03:00:13
OK. 03:00:17
Yeah, if you go back to the original. 03:00:21
Page for that image. 03:00:23
Kerry, it's up. 03:00:25
Yeah, well. 03:00:31
Go back one. 03:00:33
Down. 03:00:35
One more. 03:00:38
Yeah, so that the parking debt. 03:00:41
Well, that was below grade this entire middle of this. 03:00:45
Three blocks, so that's going to be proposed to be condensed down. 03:00:49
To be shared between just the 2. 03:00:57
And this parking deck remains, it just is consolidated to this corner. 03:01:00
As a result, that was pretended to be that. 03:01:07
She's very negatively and our new guests. 03:01:10
Gotcha. 03:01:18
The neural image. The wheels. 03:01:19
Enlarged one. 03:01:27
Yeah, you can see how that deck that used to sprawl all the way across. 03:01:31
Bucks, J&H. 03:01:35
Else is condensed into two. 03:01:37
With a significant reduction, for sure. Significant reduction. 03:01:43
And you can get that same number of spells. 03:01:47
With yeah, number of extra. 03:01:49
Doesn't story parking? 03:01:51
It doesn't change the parking analysis. 03:01:54
That's a good thing now. 03:01:56
Huh. You have people? Yeah. 03:01:58
Yeah. So that would be the. 03:02:03
The first part of this text amendment. 03:02:07
The second part is a signage plan. 03:02:10
Around the exterior of the site. 03:02:14
There's proposed locations for project. 03:02:16
Signage is in the terms of a monument site. 03:02:18
I apologize this got rotated. 03:02:22
All the entrance points. 03:02:29
Have an allowance for a monument sign. 03:02:31
At any point you go. 03:02:34
Never mind. 03:02:37
All of the entrance driveways except for the one that's on Rory Holiday Road, right across the street from. 03:02:41
Real taqueria. 03:02:46
The applicant is proposing to. 03:02:48
Allow as per allowance to have the sign placed. 03:02:51
I think that originally was an intent. 03:02:56
Well, it's hard to say what originally for the STMP. It was so long ago. It was 2006. 03:02:59
That's true. I can't remember 20 years. Come on. 03:03:06
Yeah. So essentially that's those are the elements of the STMP that are proposed to be amended. 03:03:09
This is a recommendation to the City Council. 03:03:15
An amendment to the SDMP as legislative as we know. 03:03:18
So that application or the application to recommend? 03:03:23
The proposed changes to the STMV can be recommended to the City Council for file approval. 03:03:27
All right, no factory. 03:03:35
Let you turn it over to the applicant. 03:03:36
All right. Thank you. 03:03:39
Welcome back, Steve. 03:03:44
So maybe just start with the signage. 03:03:48
The every entrance have a sign except for the one. 03:03:52
On Y St. 03:03:56
And that's where Trader Joe's would like to put their sign. 03:03:59
And so subject to the. 03:04:03
Planning Commission, City Council approving this, then Trader Joe's sign up there. 03:04:07
Steve, where is Trader Joe's gonna be? 03:04:12
They're inside the Macy's building. 03:04:15
And they're in the. 03:04:18
West N Corner. 03:04:19
Nice, so you'll see it, right? 03:04:21
Is interception. 03:04:24
Or excited we actually can share who they are. 03:04:26
Yeah, it's only happened a few weeks ago. They posted on their site, so they allows us to. 03:04:29
Also want to be bound by the nondisclosure. 03:04:35
So that's good, very good. Makes sense on the side and then? 03:04:37
Anything you want to expand on with the parking structures? 03:04:42
Yeah. So in the parking, if we could go to that. 03:04:46
Yeah, that exhibit there, so. 03:04:51
In block A. 03:04:53
Originally. 03:04:55
Macy's. 03:04:57
Occupied. 03:04:58
The building and part of the condition was that was left circus parking but. 03:05:00
As we recall, we always had. We had a restaurant there back in the day when? 03:05:06
CGI Fridays and. 03:05:13
I think there are a couple restaurants. 03:05:15
And we that's actually what we have programmed in there so. 03:05:17
We have. 03:05:21
A couple of restaurants we're talking with, we haven't finalized the transaction, but we hope to have that done. 03:05:23
This year. 03:05:29
And they have two restaurants with a patio on the corner there. 03:05:30
Of the northwest corner. 03:05:35
And then the entrance coming in off of Rodeo Dr. 03:05:38
There would be 1. 03:05:41
Restaurant there and there. 03:05:43
A single story in their. 03:05:45
Umm, fairly small footprint. 03:05:47
I think total. 03:05:50
Footprint between the three buildings. 03:05:51
We're limited about 15. 03:05:53
Is a 15,000 square feet. 03:05:55
Yeah. 03:05:57
Limited our. 03:05:59
Yeah. 03:06:00
They want the ability. 03:06:02
Yeah, but but there's adequate parking. 03:06:06
For that. 03:06:11
And so in the parking, we. 03:06:12
We have a future. 03:06:15
Parking structure will go in by the Macy's building and the. 03:06:17
Southeast corner. North East corner. 03:06:19
And that would be a three story and. 03:06:23
It'll be about the height of. 03:06:25
They're all coming down South. It won't be above it. 03:06:27
And that I yeah, you'll just drive right onto it. 03:06:30
On the 3rd deck. 03:06:32
And then if we go to the right, there next to HH is where Lifetime Fitness or. 03:06:35
Just to the right of them is Lifetime Fitness and this is the parking. 03:06:41
For them, it's a three story. 03:06:45
Marking structure has two phases as the first phase and then the second phase will build. 03:06:48
And that actually will be. 03:06:53
Umm, we've worked with the city on that. 03:06:55
Be able to put that. 03:06:59
Market structure in there. 03:07:00
Which will allow us to bring in lifetime fitness. 03:07:02
And. 03:07:06
Down below on block. 03:07:08
D that that structure is already in. You don't see it because it's. 03:07:09
The buildings built on top of it. 03:07:13
Right, which is nice. So it. 03:07:15
It hides that parking structure. 03:07:17
And then E just two. It will be a sister building to D. 03:07:19
Eventually and then. 03:07:24
Retail and possibly some. 03:07:27
A little bit of residential on it. 03:07:29
This plan. 03:07:31
Reflects the. 03:07:32
Current configuration and. 03:07:35
Pretty much each of these blocks have been. 03:07:37
Identified who? 03:07:40
Will be what will be built on and. 03:07:41
And refines it so it's clarification. 03:07:43
Show exactly what questions. 03:07:46
Our constructors have ended up. 03:07:48
And just out of curiosity, are these going to be chargeable parking? 03:07:50
Structures. I don't think we'd be able to do that. 03:07:53
Yeah, for for code or per. 03:07:57
People thrown at it, Well, yeah, it's more on. 03:07:59
Based on. 03:08:02
Market conditions. 03:08:03
But we can't part, we can't charge for the parking. 03:08:05
Underneath the residential. 03:08:09
On the second level because it's gated and private. 03:08:11
When our first levels of retail. 03:08:14
And so. 03:08:16
Possibly and some of the residential there would be a fee associated with that. 03:08:18
I know we need a Texas Roadhouse somewhere in Holiday soon, so I hope they're listening. 03:08:25
Yeah, we're actually. 03:08:29
Talking with a. 03:08:31
Steakhouse. That's actually a little better than Ruth Chris, so we'll see what happens there. Wow. 03:08:33
OK. So it would be a real destination to have something like that in our community. 03:08:38
You probably need the Planning Commission to. 03:08:43
Like Tesla? 03:08:45
Meets the That was a joke. 03:08:48
Please note in the minutes that that was a joke. 03:08:50
All right. 03:08:53
Money makes. 03:08:55
Pretty solid sense. Any questions? Yeah. 03:08:57
Just verifies. 03:09:02
Conceptual pretty much the. 03:09:04
The STMP is a conceptual plan. 03:09:06
And we just want to. 03:09:09
There's not to be any ambiguity. 03:09:10
Confusion. 03:09:14
And so on page. 03:09:16
Umm 8. 03:09:18
Yeah, yeah, Right here at the very top we just put. 03:09:21
The land use regulate. 03:09:24
Relation. 03:09:25
Regulatory plan, we put conceptual in front of it, just to clarify. 03:09:27
And that same story's been a. 03:09:32
Conceptual page, so. 03:09:33
OK, those were the three. 03:09:35
Free clarification. 03:09:38
So keep things simple. 03:09:40
All right. Appreciate it. 03:09:44
Thank you very much. 03:09:46
And again, her opening public hearing, anybody? 03:09:49
Once, twice gone. 03:09:53
All right, closing public hearing. 03:09:54
And. 03:09:57
Pretty straightforward if you ask me. How? 03:10:00
I like less parking, although I will say. 03:10:02
I still challenge you. Trees on parking lot roofs is an amazing thing and the more trees you put up there, the more impressed I 03:10:05
will be by you. I just want you to know that. 03:10:10
You ready? OK. 03:10:19
Do you want to do this one? 03:10:22
This is Commissioner Font. 03:10:25
A motion to forward a recommendation to the City Council to approve an application by Steve Peterson. 03:10:31
To amend pages 358 and 17 of the Site Development Master Plan. 03:10:37
2007. 03:10:43
By clarifying the land use designated for surface and terrace parking. 03:10:44
And arrival. 03:10:49
Slash monument side locations. 03:10:51
Based upon the following findings. 03:10:54
Can I just designate? 03:10:57
One through 3 in the staff report. 03:11:00
Yep, this is Commissioner Rochelle. 03:11:05
And with that, we'll go ahead and call for a vote. 03:11:10
Commissioner Gong Hi. 03:11:13
What's your thought and chair Rogue's about? Sigh. 03:11:15
Cool. Look at that. We got through all of our public hearings. We got an action item month #7 John, you're going to give us the 03:11:19
Speedy Gonzalez version of this, I'm sure. 03:11:24
Applicant doesn't want as many units on block. 03:11:33
And he doesn't want to do multifamily buildings. He wants to. 03:11:37
So we have an application before you to amend an approval which was given in December of. 03:11:41
I think was 2023. 03:11:47
Was a while ago. 03:11:49
So it included single family homes against Arbor Lane. 03:11:51
And the multifamily complex in four or five buildings. 03:11:53
Along Sunset Drive. 03:11:58
The application to amend that site. 03:12:01
Requires Planning Commission approval as the site type or the unit types are changing. 03:12:03
And also the architecture for those units are changing so. 03:12:09
The request of the Planning Commission is to. 03:12:13
Motion to approve or continue or deny. 03:12:15
The change in unit types and the architecture. 03:12:19
Them the architecture that's elected. 03:12:22
These product, this block is going to be sold to a developer who's building now. 03:12:26
In the site, but they haven't. 03:12:32
They're only working on the grading plan right now. 03:12:35
So you've approved a style that's very similar for block G. 03:12:38
These I've noticed that this style for these buildings. 03:12:42
For Tri point homes will be very similar to the townhomes. It had block G so. 03:12:46
You've seen this style before, so I think it is. 03:12:51
Acceptable for the staff to recommend approval. 03:12:54
Based upon what's been proposed before, so yeah. 03:12:58
These are the styles for the multi family complex. 03:13:01
And then the layout for it. 03:13:05
Over the previous one, yeah, prior. 03:13:08
So the townhomes are going to be blocks. 03:13:20
Alison Chunks. 03:13:24
Yeah, for. 03:13:26
I think the biggest one is 5. 03:13:27
Five. Yeah, 5, four. And there's a three. There's a 21 as well. 03:13:30
The layout follows the same Rd. configuration. 03:13:35
Except for the individual court. 03:13:39
Style driveway entrances for each one of the townhomes. 03:13:41
Of individual garages. 03:13:45
Of the private allies. 03:13:49
Roadways. 03:13:51
Right, they don't have access to Sunset Drive. 03:13:54
Their dead end, Is that what you mean? 03:13:57
Yeah, why are the roads? 03:14:01
Why the roads there and then also a little private pool and I'm confused about where cars are going here. 03:14:03
Those those are just the access. 03:14:08
Alleyways to get to the drive to garages. 03:14:11
So. 03:14:15
Oh, I'm sorry, I see. Yes, yes, the grudges are coming in like this. And those are. 03:14:19
Yeah, you can have free childcare and then as you move to the more to the north. 03:14:24
Which would be to the left on this image. 03:14:29
Now we have garages facing out onto that private alley. 03:14:32
Specific Gray bars. 03:14:37
So the amendment to the site plan is the reduction from 100 to 93 units. 03:14:53
Multifamily complex buildings to townhomes. 03:14:58
And the architecture associated with each one of the units. 03:15:02
Staff does recommend approval for the site plan amendment, so. 03:15:06
They can get going on. 03:15:10
The subdivision plat. 03:15:11
They didn't get some projects sold. 03:15:13
So they're comp. 03:15:16
Harrison on the landscape plan of what was there prior to what's there now with this? 03:15:19
I didn't get one because the most of the streets. 03:15:25
Haven't changed in alignment that shouldn't. 03:15:29
All and especially I take that back. 03:15:32
For the single family homes, all those yards will remain the same. 03:15:34
Right. Umm. 03:15:37
But because these complexes are taking aren't taking up as much ground. 03:15:38
You should be a lot more open space in the common areas to include landscaping. 03:15:42
I don't have anything. 03:15:46
From the applicant on the interior of those courtyards. 03:15:47
But we can definitely have something that's submitted by them. You can see on the interior courtyards that would. 03:15:53
That was something that's newly created. 03:15:58
It didn't quite exist previously. 03:16:00
So assuming that. 03:16:03
The applicant can. 03:16:05
Plant the trees required for each one of those units. That would probably be a good place to start. 03:16:07
Yeah, I'm just, I'm looking so long. 03:16:12
The original plan. 03:16:14
Whatever that page I'm looking at back on block K. 03:16:16
Of the preliminary site plan when it had the big yeah, there we go. 03:16:19
So it looks like there was more vegetation landscape available at the front along that what is now designated. 03:16:23
Private alley. 03:16:30
And with this. 03:16:32
Change. It looks like that building goes right up to that. 03:16:34
Private alley roadside. 03:16:39
I think most of that area was driveways. 03:16:42
I think they were coming right off that. 03:16:46
Private road right into the garages. 03:16:48
So is that not any type of vegetative? No. 03:16:50
I don't think there was anything. 03:16:53
Yeah, we were making mistake. One tree in between. 03:16:55
So on the new plan rather than the individual. 03:17:02
Numerous driveway approaches they kind of share. 03:17:05
An alley and then they all front into a Commons. 03:17:08
Common courtyard. 03:17:11
Will there still be, and I guess what I'm getting at is, will there still be vegetation along that private alley? 03:17:14
On that same side. 03:17:20
By amending this? Or is it just going to be a concrete noise island? 03:17:24
I'll let Kathy ask her, OK? 03:17:29
Sorry, I guess that is a question for the afternoon. Thanks, John. 03:17:31
Sorry I don't like if you. 03:17:36
They are using. 03:17:42
They're taking the buildings up almost right up against sunset. 03:17:44
So the green areas are going to be those sidewalk areas to everybody's front door. 03:17:48
And that's where. 03:17:54
Trees will end up being planted as well as the the front face of sunset drives since none of those roads come through. 03:17:55
We have an entire row of St. trees and then there will be additional landscaping. 03:18:02
A lot of sunset and others. 03:18:07
Vacant areas. 03:18:09
Was connecting watch. 03:18:10
Single family residence, yeah. 03:18:17
I just like I said, I'm just trying to picture this in my mind. 03:18:25
The change on the amendment with this will it. 03:18:28
Create a noise buff. 03:18:31
You know the noise buffer of having some kind of vegetation and landscape? Or will it be like here's some? 03:18:34
Arbor Vitas and pods. 03:18:39
You know, umm. 03:18:41
Yeah, this is before we have these. 03:18:43
Or story. 03:18:46
12 flexes. 03:18:48
Very, you know, it's like. 03:18:50
Looking up 60 feet, these are the three story townhomes that. 03:18:52
Might go up 30 feet. 03:18:56
You know, so so. 03:18:58
Impact is less. 03:19:00
In the back we had. 03:19:02
You know what? We have maybe 26. 03:19:04
And now we have 19 lots for the bigger. 03:19:08
Lots will have more. 03:19:11
Green space, yeah. 03:19:13
On the lots. 03:19:14
When we worked with the. 03:19:17
At this try point is the same. 03:19:19
Group that's done watching. 03:19:21
10th largest home builder in the country. 03:19:23
Are building these they? 03:19:26
When they went out, they did their market. 03:19:28
Research that found that. 03:19:30
But there's more. 03:19:32
One of the downsides in holiday Stay here. 03:19:34
But they want to have a separate. 03:19:37
Detached home. 03:19:40
But they want a little larger home. 03:19:42
And so all these little. 03:19:43
Cookie cutter home so we decided to get a larger homes. 03:19:45
I think those are going to sell out in the. 03:19:49
Everybody's been wanting. 03:19:51
And they'll have. We'll have. 03:19:53
Side yards, a little bit of side yard with the backyard. 03:19:54
Landscaping. 03:19:58
That'll be nice. I believe overall it's going to be. 03:20:01
Less impactful, it's actually. 03:20:04
You know, 7 minutes. 03:20:07
Which is 7%. 03:20:11
Smaller in terms of. 03:20:13
Density there, I think all around. 03:20:15
And then the architecture they picked here on. 03:20:18
The homes that really ties in well with. 03:20:21
You know the the townhomes are going to be there also complimenting. 03:20:25
Yeah, I know. I mean, don't get me wrong, I definitely like the product better. I think it looks a lot nicer. I just place that 03:20:29
I'm trying to envision like because we have this tree, you know, lined St. all throughout the project and then is this private 03:20:33
alley just going to be? 03:20:37
You know the. 03:20:42
Trees, a few small trees on the home side and then. 03:20:43
These nicer structures with trees in front of them in the picture are not going to have trees, you know what I'm saying? Where the 03:20:47
parking is would be very similar to G or. 03:20:51
That out with the parking, right? 03:20:56
But but the the front doors will look in the green space. We'll be looking at each other as they walk out on the sidewalk. 03:20:59
Like 20. 03:21:07
You can see man I. 03:21:09
Thinking they're like 2024 or 29 feet wide. 03:21:10
The green space. 03:21:14
So about 33. 03:21:16
That's, you know, a good size backyard. 03:21:19
And then the. 03:21:21
Side of the whole. 03:21:23
Where it butts up to sunset, that'll be that'll have vegetation and. 03:21:25
Has been approved and those that landscaping is in place, which is the landscape. 03:21:30
Then they do need to mention are a few. 03:21:35
Challenges we have there because we have the bearing those power lines. 03:21:41
As a result, let's go ahead. 03:21:45
To an easement on the side of the road. 03:21:47
Required by Utah Parent Lake. 03:21:49
And so we do have to give up a little bit of. 03:21:52
We can do. 03:21:54
But we have to give up some trees along where those power lines are. 03:21:57
From the West side and the West side, we are going to have a full complement of. 03:22:00
Trees on the street, trees on the east side. 03:22:04
That, umm. 03:22:07
We will put in. 03:22:09
And then the. 03:22:10
Developer will be responsible for landscaping all of those other green areas behind. 03:22:12
But the gift we're giving there is that. 03:22:18
You know, it was extremely challenging to get those lines buried completely. 03:22:22
All the way across, even the six half acre lots. 03:22:28
I'm trying to grow until we get to the river. 03:22:33
And that will be a pull comes out, goes cross the river and that goes to existing poke, goes around. 03:22:36
Those mines have really nothing to do with. 03:22:40
Our project, they're feeding the rest of the community. 03:22:43
But we we have to when the conditions bury those, yeah. 03:22:46
And we just like it. 03:22:50
It's going to look so much. 03:22:52
Looks so much better. You feel that. 03:22:53
Going from 100 units to 93. 03:22:56
Makes those units more marketable. 03:22:59
Was it the rationale? 03:23:02
We particularly feel like. 03:23:04
The uh. 03:23:06
The 19 lives. 03:23:07
Are a lot better than having. 03:23:09
You know, 20 some odds there. 03:23:11
Really narrow with that small. 03:23:13
These are bigger. 03:23:15
Lots with nicer homes on it. 03:23:16
This and we feel like. 03:23:19
Based on the studies have been done, those are going to be the first one everybody's going to work. 03:23:20
Right, but those are the single. 03:23:24
Family. Yeah, yeah. 03:23:26
And the townhomes are very similar. What's in blockchain and for the younger? 03:23:28
Demographic. 03:23:32
One living holiday in the. 03:23:34
I'm up here and we're trying to figure out. 03:23:36
Back and this is the third. 03:23:39
Start. 03:23:40
And and that's the product. 03:23:43
OK, I know last time we looked at anything with this. 03:23:48
Block, there was a little bit of question about access and easement over to. 03:23:51
Because they didn't want. 03:23:59
Nice stuff opening in there. 03:24:01
Right, like. 03:24:04
But I think there was also the thought of like, school access and kids walking to junior high and I have to walk all the way down. 03:24:05
Or can they just, you know? 03:24:09
Get on the way. 03:24:13
By the dog park. 03:24:15
Yeah, there should be over here, but. 03:24:18
You were asked to remove it. 03:24:21
In the in the drawing so. 03:24:23
That's kind of the question for us. 03:24:27
For us, I don't think we object to having pedestrian. 03:24:29
In our connection between the neighborhood, do we? 03:24:32
Yeah, let's connect on that. I think that came from engineering. 03:24:36
OK, let's connect. 03:24:39
Because. 03:24:41
When this original project was done, the neighbors were just yeah, the neighbors did no connection. The neighbors didn't cars and 03:24:43
nothing. 03:24:46
And so yeah, I think with your smaller. 03:24:50
You know, umm. 03:24:54
Single homes. 03:24:55
Townhomes style. 03:24:56
That you're putting along there, I think. 03:24:58
There, I would imagine, I don't know, I'm not the community, but I would imagine there be a little less pushback about having 03:25:00
kids, being able to come over and play, you know what I mean? There's a place where that could happen. 03:25:05
I think it's probably something we ought to address. 03:25:11
Can work through 'cause we, I think we're supportive, actually we'd like. 03:25:14
We don't have foot traffic. 03:25:17
Businesses. 03:25:19
Yeah. 03:25:22
I'm sure that you know 3. 03:25:28
4 apartment complexes across the street are going to be super freaked out by kids walking by but. 03:25:30
That's just my assumption, Stranger Things. 03:25:35
All right. I think that's all the questions I have. Other questions I have. I have a question. 03:25:38
What's the anticipated price point for the townhomes? 03:25:43
My guess is, you know, market conditions change. 03:25:47
OK. What would have been the price point? 03:25:53
Estimated for the multi family. 03:25:56
The weather in. 03:25:59
Sorry, the flats, those are rental. They weren't. 03:26:03
They were. Yeah, I would yesterday, beasts. 03:26:06
Slightly less. 03:26:10
Because I would be able to do flush stacks. 03:26:12
More like an apartment type, right? 03:26:15
So I think we have a little. 03:26:18
More expensive. 03:26:20
And on the detached. 03:26:21
Those are probably more than half. 03:26:23
I love living in holidays. Great. 03:26:26
You know, holiday. 03:26:34
Yeah, those times have changed. 03:26:41
All right. Thank you. Appreciate. 03:26:43
And then this is just an action item, so there's no public hearing. 03:26:47
Commissioners, any further discussion questions for staff? 03:26:51
I just, I mean, it's a huh? 03:26:54
Question which is? 03:26:57
It's more expensive than it would have been and there are fewer units. Did we just undo 1500 hours of? 03:26:58
Plans work trying to get moderate income housing moderate. 03:27:04
Income Housing. 03:27:08
Sure, I would rather live. 03:27:13
You know, in a townhomes in a flat, I think that I think it is a. 03:27:15
Will be more in demand, I'm just wondering if. 03:27:19
This is a place we can put density in holiday. 03:27:21
Yeah. So we we are. 03:27:24
Working with the city, there's a requirement to do 100 affordable housing units since we're looking at how and our. 03:27:28
Responsibly, that's 50. 03:27:34
Cities 50 and so we're working through that, but. 03:27:36
We umm. 03:27:38
We're talking with our partners. 03:27:40
Structure on block D. 03:27:42
And we might be able to provide 50 units within there that would be 4 pile. 03:27:45
And so we're. 03:27:50
We feel like we're gonna. 03:27:52
That require. 03:27:53
I think. 03:27:56
By 2027. 03:27:58
And we've been in discussions with the city on that. 03:28:00
And the planning department and the mayor's office and. 03:28:04
So we think we have a solution there. 03:28:09
And so those rants would be within. 03:28:12
The guidelines that have been established by that so we. 03:28:14
We do believe that. 03:28:18
In the past we weren't sure we'd be able to put it on that site. 03:28:19
Now we believe it will be on the site. 03:28:22
That's what we're, that's what we're striving towards. 03:28:24
And I can add, looking at the square footage, do you have a few different sizes of? 03:28:29
Townhomes, even in your development you have. 03:28:35
You know, 1200 square feet, thirteen 1800 like these. 03:28:38
Smaller ones across the front are 800 square feet that will be stacked with three levels but. 03:28:43
A single car garage in that versus A2 car garage. 03:28:49
Or I guess those might be two car crashes, but yeah, it's just a smaller footprint. It will be some size points, yeah. So there 03:28:55
will be some price differences even between those townhome units just based off of this size. 03:29:01
OK. All right. Thank you very much. 03:29:10
All right, go for it, Kenny. 03:29:14
I Motion to approve the amended preliminary site development plan and building design for Royal Holiday Hills Block K and 93 Unit 03:29:15
residential subdivision in the RMU zone located 4833 S. 03:29:22
Sunset Blvd. Lane. 03:29:28
With final site plan and plat approvals to be delegated to staff. 03:29:30
Finding that the proposal incorporates all of the elements listed in the staff report. 03:29:36
And the conditions for final approval within one year, according to holiday ordinance. 03:29:41
13.10. 03:29:47
A final civil development drawing shall be submitted to and verified approved by Community and Economic Development Director with 03:29:48
the conditions listed in the staff report. 03:29:53
Does Commissioner Rochelle second? 03:30:01
Call for a vote, Commissioner Gallo. 03:30:04
Yes, I. 03:30:07
Aye, then Chair Roach votes aye. 03:30:14
All right. Thank you very much. And then the last item on the agenda will take. 03:30:17
Nanoseconds. Here we have the minutes that we talked about in our work meeting. 03:30:22
No recommendations were made to. 03:30:26
Adjust or amend anything in there with that all be bold enough to just have something you have a question. I wasn't there, can I 03:30:29
vote? 03:30:33
On these because I don't, then we don't. 03:30:36
OK, you can vote. 03:30:39
So with that, I will make the motion to approve the minutes from April 15th, 2025. 03:30:41
Second, all Right and Commissioner, Vol. 03:30:47
Aye, Mr. Prince, Aye, Chair Rochelle's. Aye, those are approved and all in favour to adjourn say aye, aye. 03:30:51
When is our next meeting? 03:31:00
August. 03:31:03
Well, I'm going the week so. 03:31:06
I don't have any new applications. 03:31:11
Yet with the first week of August. 03:31:14
Well I'm going the 5th but. 03:31:19
5th of August. 03:31:25
There would be. 03:31:26
An item the second week of August, which is the 19th. 03:31:29
So if we get an application. 03:31:37
The 5th if not. 03:31:39
It will likely be cancelled. I'll be for the 19. 03:31:41
We don't have a meeting on the 5th. 03:31:43
At this point, no. 03:31:46
OK. 03:31:48
You got to think of it the other way. 03:31:49
We might have been. 03:31:50
There is there. 03:31:52
Three weeks. 03:31:54
Four weeks between now and then, so if I get an application. 03:31:55
There would be if I don't get an application. 03:32:00
There won't be. We might not have a meeting even on the 19th. 03:32:03
We will have one on the 19th. 03:32:07
That one's already. 03:32:09
Department. 03:32:11
And I really appreciated Bradt comments to support. 03:32:12
Yeah, yeah. 03:32:17
Yes, city staff and. 03:32:19
Planning Commission because. 03:32:21
Some of the things they suggested were just. 03:32:23
Not can we verify the 10,000 square feet is important. 03:32:26
10,000. 03:32:31
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Driving some change on the. 00:00:06
I I. 00:00:11
I. 00:00:44
Right chair, everybody. 00:01:05
Technology investment. 00:01:12
All right, all right, we going. 00:01:19
We're good. 00:01:27
All right, good afternoon and welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission. 00:01:28
Work meeting Tuesday, July 15th. 00:01:32
2025 we have an action-packed agenda tonight with. 00:01:36
Six public hearing items and two. 00:01:42
Action items at the tail end of that. 00:01:47
So we're going to see how much information we can absorb in the next 24 minutes before we get ready for our regular meeting. 00:01:49
And with attendance tonight, we have. 00:01:58
Commissioner Gong, Commissioner Prince and Commissioner Font myself, so it will have to be unanimous votes. 00:02:02
For anything to move forward. 00:02:08
And with that, the first item that we have to dive into is the Russell Corner subdivision. 00:02:12
Preliminary plan and flat. 00:02:17
Who's going to lead us off? 00:02:20
OK. So agenda wise. 00:02:22
I am taking the first two items and then John will be. 00:02:24
The guide for the next few items. 00:02:27
OK, so Russell Corner subdivision, this is a lot. That's over 16,000 square feet. 00:02:30
R18 zone. 00:02:36
8000 square foot minimum lot size. 00:02:38
Dimensions on frontage are all met by the 2 watts. 00:02:41
There's a dedication area on Russell St. 00:02:46
That will, so right now it's within the. 00:02:49
Property. 00:02:53
That will be dedicated, so there will then be a sidewalk requirement. 00:02:54
On the plat, so we'll get sidewalk improvements on that. 00:02:59
And corner improvement. So that will now have an ADA ramp and. 00:03:02
And wrap around that whole corner there so. 00:03:07
Great positive. 00:03:10
Things there with the subdivision and otherwise it meets all of the minimum requirements for the zone. 00:03:11
Are there any questions? 00:03:18
From the Commission. 00:03:19
I did not get to make a site visit on this one admittedly, but is there existing sidewalk that the new sidewalk will be adjoining 00:03:22
to? 00:03:26
There is existing sidewalk on the Russell Circle side. 00:03:30
No sidewalk on Russell Street, so it kind of dead ends at. 00:03:34
The previous property next door to it. 00:03:39
So. 00:03:41
It's kind of the final connecting piece around the corner. 00:03:42
So the circle set and then where the sidewalk ends will be here. 00:03:45
Yes, OK. 00:03:49
And the right Commissioners on the other questions, on the first one. 00:03:51
Looks pretty straightforward. All right, Moving on to this next one, Hinkley Estates subdivision. 00:03:55
Concept. 00:04:00
OK on this one. 00:04:01
I just wanted to make sure we. 00:04:04
Process clear on this because this is items number 2-3 and four. 00:04:05
I'll review this with the public as well so that they know that there's three public hearings associated with this. 00:04:10
They can. You might have a mix of comments. 00:04:17
Based off of wherever they are, I would assume. 00:04:20
Most comments on the first one. 00:04:23
That's some of the comments may be appropriate for the PUD element which is the second hearing. 00:04:25
So the first public hearing is to establish the. 00:04:30
Legal amount of units. 00:04:34
Or lots that could be. 00:04:37
Present on the property based off of the zone. 00:04:39
Requirements. 00:04:42
So once the fiber access was taken out. 00:04:43
Of the total land area. 00:04:47
There is enough there shown. 00:04:49
The applicant shows three different concept studies. 00:04:52
But. 00:04:56
The most that can fit on there is 6. 00:04:56
So that has been the base. 00:04:59
Number of flowing units. 00:05:01
That would be legally allowed. 00:05:03
Based off of the total land area. 00:05:04
So approval or denial of that you're just. 00:05:07
Basing it on. 00:05:11
Doesn't meet the legal requirements of the zone. You're establishing the density. 00:05:13
Likely a public comment from a neighbor about the easement there because that is a private road. 00:05:18
Their easement currently. 00:05:25
Has access for two parcels, so. 00:05:27
I spoke with that neighbor. They will likely just mention that as their public comment for that. 00:05:30
So there's kind of a restricting. 00:05:35
Self restricting element on. 00:05:37
The number of properties that can even access. 00:05:39
From outside. 00:05:42
Which then guides that PD element or. 00:05:44
The applicant's decision to just do 2. 00:05:46
Dwelling units. 00:05:49
For that so. 00:05:50
If that easement ever changed. 00:05:52
Then there's potential that. 00:05:54
The PUD container anyway. There's. 00:05:56
The beauty or the? 00:05:59
Easement self limits. 00:06:00
The number of dwellings. 00:06:02
Kerry can ask you a question about that. 00:06:04
So there are two. 00:06:06
The two existing homes. 00:06:09
Up there, yes. 00:06:10
But they're not. 00:06:11
One is the I think handsome property and then. 00:06:13
So Sean, do you want to go to when you drive up that? 00:06:18
Yeah, Gravelly Rd. 00:06:22
There's there's a total of. 00:06:24
Let's see. 00:06:27
So there's. 00:06:29
When you go off of the public. 00:06:31
Public there's a. 00:06:32
Fence right there and then you're. 00:06:34
So there's one house that's on the public Rd. 00:06:36
Then there's a parcel. 00:06:39
That's related to. 00:06:41
That house. 00:06:42
Owner owns both of those. 00:06:44
Then there's another person up in the corner on that same side. 00:06:46
On the east side of the road, that is Christian Hansen. That's. 00:06:50
Off on that side. 00:06:56
So the applicant and their property is on the West side of that private easement or private road. 00:06:57
So right now their configuration of lots is. 00:07:04
You know stats. 00:07:07
In front of each other. 00:07:09
So there. 00:07:10
Essentially switching those around. 00:07:11
So that's two houses can be accessed directly from. 00:07:13
The private road. 00:07:18
Instead of having to go. 00:07:20
For Edmond driveway back. 00:07:21
And then accessing. 00:07:23
From the from the north side. 00:07:25
The other two houses. 00:07:28
So that one doesn't show. 00:07:30
The uh. 00:07:32
New house that's on though. 00:07:33
West side on Sleepy Hollow. 00:07:35
Just it was built in the last. 00:07:39
Two years, I believe. One year. 00:07:41
And then the house that you can see there. 00:07:47
Not the White Roof house. 00:07:50
That the house next door within the blue boundary. 00:07:51
That is Gene Hinckley's house. Who's? 00:07:54
Owns all the property. 00:07:57
Family property and. 00:07:59
The two parcels that they're reconfiguring are related parcels. 00:08:01
To that house. So since they're just related parcels, they're not. 00:08:06
Buildable legal property at this point. So that's then what is this? 00:08:10
Kind of starting the subdivision process, right, But my question was the comment that you just made about the easement that the 00:08:15
easement allows. 00:08:19
Two homes currently. 00:08:22
Yes, access. 00:08:24
OK, yeah, let me explain her. Yeah. 00:08:26
So there. 00:08:29
Yeah, their easement has it involves 4 parcels, so it calls out four parcels specifically. 00:08:30
That at its. 00:08:37
The two parcels that are. 00:08:39
They're changing the configuration. 00:08:42
The Hanson's parcel and then the Hinckley parcel up on the north side, OK. 00:08:45
So those are the four parcels. 00:08:50
Those 4 parcels will remain with an easement on that. 00:08:52
Yes. 00:08:57
So this House and. 00:09:00
This watch stay over. 00:09:03
They'll throw this on their property so. 00:09:05
Their controlling fit? 00:09:08
Easement access, they say. Hinkley, please. 00:09:10
Please. 00:09:13
So this is. 00:09:14
Delta box, OK. 00:09:15
So there's this one and this one. 00:09:17
Public roads us here. 00:09:19
Private road into this section. 00:09:21
So they own this section of the private road. This is the Hanson property. 00:09:24
They own that section of OK. 00:09:28
So this House already has access on that section. 00:09:31
It can remain, but they're bringing their access in. So it's completely off of that. So if this House, even though it has access 00:09:35
here currently. 00:09:39
They're moving the access off of that site. 00:09:43
So it's. 00:09:47
No, no access will be on this section of the. 00:09:48
So. 00:09:54
This existing easement. 00:09:55
Has access with this lot. 00:09:58
This was and these two blocks. 00:10:00
Those is the same number. 00:10:04
Thank you. 00:10:07
Make sense? 00:10:07
Hopefully. 00:10:09
There's money, there's money. 00:10:12
Text I interrupted your flow. 00:10:17
So easement access that was mentioned in that first kind of establishing that. 00:10:20
That it kind of limits how many units would be there anyway or how many parcels. 00:10:25
Could be allowed based off of what the current easement is. 00:10:30
Of course, easements can change if all parties agree to it. 00:10:34
So but as is. 00:10:37
That's just that. Second public hearing will be for the PUD element. 00:10:40
Beauties are conditional use permits, so. 00:10:46
Generally. 00:10:50
We're looking at. 00:10:51
Imposing conditions or mitigation factors. 00:10:52
For impacts. 00:10:56
So comments that are related to, you know, some of the privacy or. 00:10:57
Other things like. 00:11:03
Those are impacts. 00:11:04
And maybe thinking about what could be some mitigation pack? 00:11:06
Or potential impacts on neighboring properties. 00:11:10
Would be appropriate conditions that you could place as a as a Commission based off of some of the comments you hear. 00:11:14
So that. 00:11:21
As you're considering that listening to those comments, it's. 00:11:22
That hearing specifically is for the PUD. 00:11:25
And as a conditional use. 00:11:28
So then moving into the. 00:11:32
Third one is the. 00:11:34
If there's conditions that are placed within that PD if it's approved. 00:11:37
Then that's where those conditions are then up. 00:11:42
Lives to a subdivision, perhaps, and that is the third public hearing. 00:11:44
The third motion. 00:11:50
For. 00:11:51
A subdivision. 00:11:53
That incorporates that. 00:11:54
Beauty elements. 00:11:56
How is the PUD? 00:12:00
Element related to the easement. 00:12:02
In this case. 00:12:07
Doesn't have a lot of. 00:12:09
It's it's that they're taking all of their. 00:12:13
Access and putting it onto their property they've worked out. 00:12:15
Easement access that's outside of their property. 00:12:20
Owner SO. 00:12:24
Based off of their existing easement. 00:12:26
Those. 00:12:29
2 new lots that would be created that are. 00:12:30
Legal billable lots. 00:12:32
Still have access with that easement. 00:12:35
In their concept, you can see it's just shortened. 00:12:38
So the two wives instead of having. 00:12:41
The full length of that. 00:12:44
Private road access. 00:12:47
They're turning it into be entirely on their property, so they're. 00:12:48
Creating an additional. 00:12:52
20 foot. 00:12:54
White Rd. inside their property. 00:12:55
That. 00:12:59
Minimal amounts that they're using on that existing easement. 00:13:00
John, if you want to go to the concept, I can point that out. 00:13:07
Concept Ortho. 00:13:11
Civil sets. Either one will work. 00:13:13
Yeah. 00:13:15
Yeah, that works. 00:13:18
So originally. 00:13:22
This property, this property, this property and this property. 00:13:24
Would have access. 00:13:29
Here Umm. 00:13:31
So they're modifying. 00:13:34
There's no more access like. Access will end at this property line. 00:13:36
Then this House will have access on that. 00:13:40
He went and this house. 00:13:44
Making the same access. 00:13:46
I go back here. 00:13:48
So these three properties. 00:13:50
Are going to utilize. 00:13:52
Dispatch access, dispatch access just depending on how that. 00:13:55
We're after visit. 00:13:58
So instead of using this full length of the easements access. 00:14:00
That will be torn down just to accommodate their turn. 00:14:05
But all three of these. 00:14:10
Houses will have easement agreement. 00:14:12
With this property owner. 00:14:15
To access this section before. 00:14:17
Thank you. Can I ask another question about that? Yeah. 00:14:22
I can see that some parts are labeled install sign. 00:14:24
Filing no parking but I couldn't tell where it applied to so. 00:14:27
Are they going to be able to park? 00:14:30
I mean would. 00:14:32
Would either would work in front of the houses or no. They're going to be long stretches where they. 00:14:33
There's no street parking. 00:14:37
Your fighter access and that's just hatched parts. 00:14:41
20 wide. 00:14:44
And then whatever the link is, but it's 20 feet. 00:14:45
Here and here so. 00:14:48
The minimum or the amount that's required for fire access can't have any. 00:14:50
So that's why you got this area of driveway over here, so they do have space to park. 00:14:55
I think some driveway over here. 00:15:00
Heart care. 00:15:03
But anywhere where there's higher access, we want to be able to park. 00:15:05
And then of course. 00:15:09
This is just an easement, it's not their property so they wouldn't be able to park cars along here unless they had. 00:15:10
An agreement. 00:15:16
Do you spell without a property owner? 00:15:17
Which is would be private. 00:15:19
Thanks. 00:15:22
OK, so with that. 00:15:27
Level of review. 00:15:31
What questions do you have that you thought would be helpful for me to answer? 00:15:33
5 minutes. 00:15:38
I think that's really the biggest thing on that was. 00:15:41
You know when you have private roads and easements, it's. 00:15:44
Just making sure that there is access. 00:15:46
For the dwelling units that are being created. 00:15:49
And, umm. 00:15:52
In this case, the the neighbors agreed. 00:15:54
This is what the easement is. It already exists. They're going to maintain it. 00:15:57
The property owner doing the PUD will. 00:16:02
Improve that lane so it's not going to be just a gravel lane, it will be asphalt. 00:16:05
Improved for fire access. 00:16:11
And the Fire Marshall reviewed the plan and said that how they have that configured. 00:16:14
Meets all the requirements for fire access. 00:16:19
One more question, yeah. 00:16:23
You just give us a. 00:16:24
Teeny bit of tutorialist. 00:16:26
By a PUD versus just a standard. 00:16:29
This is the zoning in the area. 00:16:33
The main thing on this one is that they wanted to create a lot. 00:16:35
Just one of their lots. 00:16:41
Does not meet the 80 foot wide width. 00:16:43
The biggest difference? 00:16:47
All that they would need to do. 00:16:48
Meet these standards subdivision. 00:16:50
Is ship this plane? 00:16:52
Diagonally like. 00:16:56
Maybe 20 years. 00:16:58
Maybe 30 feet. 00:16:59
It's just a preference on how they want to. 00:17:02
Sell property, but it does put. 00:17:05
It does also create some restrictions for them if they had. 00:17:08
Standard bots they could do. 00:17:12
Accessory structures that. 00:17:14
You know 4 or 5 or 6 feet from property lines on. 00:17:16
Any of those lots? 00:17:19
They could do. 00:17:21
Yeah, it's they're they're building area would be. 00:17:25
Much larger. 00:17:28
Then they're restricting themselves to. 00:17:30
I think on a 10,000 square foot lot a rear yard set back is. 00:17:32
25 feet 35. 00:17:38
Do you know Uptown? 00:17:40
Yeah. So the rear yard on that front property is I think 55 feet is what I measured it up. 00:17:42
So there's. 00:17:49
They're increasing their. 00:17:50
Their green space. 00:17:51
And limiting their building space for themselves. 00:17:53
Are the setbacks on the sides of the PUD? 00:17:56
Umm, application. 00:18:00
Being reduced at all versus what they would be if it was standard. 00:18:02
A standard 80 foot wide. 00:18:06
Lots which they could create for any of these on the. 00:18:09
Top one if they moved their lot line over. 00:18:13
They could do that without any subdivision process. 00:18:16
And have a 10,000 square foot lot. 00:18:18
The house that's there would be all the setbacks and it would have a four foot accessory building set back. 00:18:21
An 8 foot standard primary building set back. 00:18:28
So. 00:18:32
On their perimeters. 00:18:33
They kind of use that 80 foot. 00:18:34
Minimum lot size. 00:18:36
810 thousand square foot lot to determine what. 00:18:38
Those setbacks would be. 00:18:42
And, umm. 00:18:44
With the plans. 00:18:46
I mean, there's, there's a lot of trees that are on that. 00:18:48
South side specifically. 00:18:51
Umm, potentially open to. 00:18:53
Increasing trees long there are replanting trees just to make sure that that's still. 00:18:56
Maintained US private space that you're you're welcome. 00:18:59
Discuss that with the applicant too. 00:19:02
So just to clarify. 00:19:05
The umm. 00:19:07
Proposal in the PUD does not. 00:19:09
Increase or decrease setbacks from what would already be applicable if they just move lot lines around. 00:19:12
Right, right. OK. 00:19:18
Thank you. 00:19:20
My question. 00:19:22
Is since I'm not an engineer. 00:19:23
What is the? 00:19:25
2 cylinder round things with the. 00:19:27
Squishy lines. 00:19:31
On the left end of both of those two lots. 00:19:33
Oh, so that was this is an older plan. There's an updated one in the addendum that I sent out yesterday. 00:19:38
That their engineer included storm water. 00:19:46
That's a stormwater thing, OK. I couldn't find it in the key to have it on there. And our RCB engineer looked at those and said 00:19:50
you don't need those. 00:19:54
Take them off. 00:19:58
It would be done. 00:19:59
Some people on a subdivision will do like a centralized system and incorporate it under the road. 00:20:01
Or nearby a road. We've seen a couple like that. 00:20:07
Other subdivisions will have it managed. 00:20:10
Per building blocks. 00:20:13
So the city engineer will review that and check with the. 00:20:14
Applicant. 00:20:17
Finalizing their plat. 00:20:18
As to. 00:20:20
How they want to have down their storm water. 00:20:21
In this case, likely per building lot, but it doesn't have to be located. 00:20:23
In that specific location, so it doesn't need to be on the. 00:20:28
All right with the 5 minutes we have left. 00:20:32
John, do you want to walk us through the holiday hills? 00:20:37
Sure you have. 00:20:43
Two site plans. 00:20:45
Each on different blocks from the Royal Holiday Hills. 00:20:47
Redevelopment site. 00:20:50
Block C is a site plan amendment, subdivision amendment. They're adding a new. 00:20:52
Retail pad for a retail center that complies with the STMP so you'll be looking at. 00:20:56
Site plan elements for that. 00:21:03
Parking, landscaping and architecture for that building. 00:21:04
The second site plan which is item. 00:21:09
7 is an amendment. 00:21:12
You reviewed. 00:21:14
And approved block K. 00:21:15
Which is the eastern most? 00:21:18
Side up against memory lane. 00:21:20
That has both single family homes and what you. 00:21:22
Proved previously as. 00:21:26
Multifamily complex buildings, flats. 00:21:27
Applicants now coming back and revising that plan to not have. 00:21:30
Multifamily complex buildings, but. 00:21:35
Telephones, so you'll need to review the site plan for NM as an amendment for. 00:21:38
The change in unit types. 00:21:43
And a reduction in units might going from. 00:21:46
193 I believe. 00:21:48
And then the architecture for those so. 00:21:51
Road layout, everything else. 00:21:53
Remain the same the. 00:21:55
Remain the same, just the style the architecture changed. 00:21:57
And then item 6 is actually a. 00:22:01
You'll be recommending. 00:22:04
To the City Council for the SDL. 00:22:05
The STMP has some needs, some clarity on parking pages. 00:22:09
Within that document. 00:22:14
Specifically as it relates to the uppermost. 00:22:16
Northwest corner at Murray Holiday and Highland. 00:22:18
There's a large swath of block A. 00:22:22
That is designated as surface parking. 00:22:24
And the concept plan, the applicant is looking to have some retail buildings up right up at the corner. 00:22:28
Some smaller, a couple of smaller pads. 00:22:33
But the parking element? 00:22:36
Limits development there to service parking only. 00:22:38
So we're making an amendment to that SDMP to. 00:22:41
Exclude parking for probably like. 00:22:45
That's 30 to 40%. 00:22:48
Of that, block a so that the rest of it can be both. 00:22:50
Parking and building. 00:22:53
Lots. Commercial building Lots. 00:22:55
I'll show you the images for that when we get to it. 00:22:59
Then the other second part of that would be. 00:23:02
And the SDMP, it has locations for project signage around the perimeter of the of the. 00:23:05
The site along Marine Holiday Rd. 00:23:10
Along Island Drive. 00:23:12
There's an entrance. 00:23:13
To the site just up from Highland Drive on Murray Holiday Rd. 00:23:15
Which? 00:23:19
They would like to have a monument sign placed there. 00:23:20
It's not included on the STMP. It was excluded for some reason and they're asking and put it back in. 00:23:23
To that spot. 00:23:28
So that's essentially what the item 6 is. 00:23:30
So 2 site plans and then a text amendment for the SDMP. 00:23:34
And the action item on block K. 00:23:39
Approval of an amended site plan. 00:23:44
So that would be a preliminary. 00:23:47
And then will the staff can take care of the civil side. 00:23:48
Which really doesn't change either. 00:23:51
I had any questions on the holiday hills. 00:23:56
Items. 00:23:59
OK, I see. 00:24:01
We also had approval of minutes from the April 15th meeting that took every fiber of my being to try and remember 3 months ago 00:24:05
because it's just been that kind of summer for me. But. 00:24:10
For those in attendance and. 00:24:15
Ever viewed those minutes? Were there any? 00:24:19
Items on there that anyone notice needed correction? 00:24:21
I didn't see anything. 00:24:24
OK, well that should be an easy motion when the time comes then. 00:24:25
All right, with that, looks like you're right about the. 00:24:30
The hours walk. 00:24:34
Close our work meeting. 00:24:35
OK, OK. 00:24:49
All right. And with that. 00:24:50
John, are we ready to just roll straight into the? 00:24:52
Official. 00:24:54
All righty. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Holiday City Planning Commission. 00:24:57
Meeting Tuesday, July 15th. 00:25:02
We have four of our Commissioners present. 00:25:05
Which means we meet the needs for a quorum, however. 00:25:09
All votes will need to be unanimous for anything to move forward. 00:25:13
And. 00:25:18
With that we have. 00:25:19
Umm 6 public hearing items, three of them related to the same. 00:25:21
Application. 00:25:27
But the first one we have on our before I get into that, we do have a statement we read for the members of the public and I have 00:25:28
asked Commissioner Funk to go ahead and read that for us. 00:25:33
The City of Holiday Planning Commission. 00:25:39
Is it on now? Yeah. 00:25:48
The City of Holiday Planning Commission is a volunteer citizen board whose function is to review. 00:25:50
Land use plans and other special studies. 00:25:56
Make recommendations to the City Council and proposed zoning, map and ordinance changes. 00:25:59
And approve conditional uses and subdivisions. 00:26:04
The Planning Commission does not initiate land use applications. 00:26:08
Rather, acts on applications as they are submitted. 00:26:12
Commissioners do not meet with applicants except at publicly noticed meetings. 00:26:15
Commissioners attempt to visit each property on the agenda. 00:26:20
Where the location? The nature of the neighborhood? 00:26:24
Existing structures and uses related to the proposed change are noted. 00:26:26
Decisions are based on observations, recommendations from the. 00:26:32
Professional planning staff. 00:26:36
The city's general plan. 00:26:38
Zoning ordinance and other reports. 00:26:40
By all verbal and written comments. 00:26:43
And by evidence submitted. 00:26:45
All of which are part of. 00:26:47
The public record. 00:26:49
Thank you very much, Commissioner Wants. 00:26:50
All right, and with no further ado. 00:26:53
We have. 00:26:56
Item number 1, Russell Corner Subdivision located at 4585 S Russell Street and I believe 60 staff carry is going to. 00:26:59
Walk us through the details of that. 00:27:08
Thank you, Chairman Roche. 00:27:14
So item number 1, Russell Corner Subdivision. 00:27:16
This is a 2 lot subdivision. 00:27:20
Located on the corner of Russell Street and Russell Corner. 00:27:23
Or Russell circle. 00:27:27
And it is in the R18 zone. 00:27:29
The R18 zone. 00:27:32
Requires an 8000 square foot minimum lot size. 00:27:34
The property in question is sized at 16,000. 00:27:39
See the society highlight and I didn't highlight. 00:27:46
It's over 16,000 square feet. 00:27:48
The so dividing it into two. 00:27:51
Does still meet that minimum 8000 square feet per Watt? 00:27:56
There's an area on Russell Street that would need to be dedicated, so that would be dedicated to the public right of way. 00:28:00
And sidewalk improvements would be required as part of the subdivision. 00:28:07
So the sidewalk would carry through on Russell St. 00:28:12
And around the corner and incorporate an ADA ramp at that corner. 00:28:16
With this improvement. 00:28:19
One lot will face onto Russell Circle. 00:28:21
And the other lot will face onto Russell. 00:28:24
Straight. 00:28:28
They're both accessible by public roadways. 00:28:31
And, umm. 00:28:34
Fire requirements are all. 00:28:36
Utility letters have all been submitted. They weren't included in the package. They were still working on getting some of those, 00:28:39
but I got those from the applicant today so they have. 00:28:43
Water approval from Holiday Water. 00:28:48
Power approval from Rocky Mountain Power. Sewer approval from Mount Olympus. 00:28:50
And, umm. 00:28:55
Gas approval from Anchorage. So we've got all those approval letters to meet those requirements. 00:28:57
The city engineer has reviewed all their engineering details and approved those. 00:29:03
And, umm. 00:29:08
Other than that. 00:29:09
They are pretty. 00:29:10
That for meeting all the legal requirements. 00:29:13
I'll have that applicant come up and you can. 00:29:16
Talk a little bit more about the project and if you have any questions you're welcome to. 00:29:19
Discussed with him All right thank you With that we'll invite Mark snow or. 00:29:23
Representative thereof. 00:29:27
My name is Mark. 00:29:33
Mark Snow. 00:29:34
Any questions? 00:29:37
Oh well, he's the applicant. We have his address right on the applicant for the registration project. 00:29:42
Umm, all right. And so it's currently just one property. 00:29:49
Or one home on these? 00:29:53
This law that you're looking to subdivide, correct? 00:29:54
OK. 00:29:57
Seems pretty straightforward to me. Commissioners in the end. 00:29:58
Questions for the applicant the. 00:30:01
All right. Well, that was brief, but thank you for coming up. We'll have you sit down. Thank you. 00:30:04
That and with that, we'll open the public hearing. 00:30:08
Any members of the public that wish to speak on the Russell Corner subdivision are welcome to come up and do so. 00:30:12
Just as a reminder for anyone who does come up for public comment, we ask that you state your name and address for the record. 00:30:18
And that you try and keep your comments to 3 minutes or less and try not to repeat any. 00:30:24
Comments that were made earlier. 00:30:30
So with that. 00:30:32
Is there anyone here this evening wishing to speak on this first agenda item? 00:30:33
Yeah. 00:30:40
My name is Robin Bechtold, I live on 4572 S Russell St. 00:30:52
There were supposed to be more neighbors here, but I guess I'm the one. 00:31:00
The one thing we wonder for? 00:31:05
Is that? 00:31:07
Will this meet? 00:31:09
The height restrictions. 00:31:11
And the set back restrictions. 00:31:13
And will the homes be designed to feel? 00:31:16
It into the neighborhood and I don't know. 00:31:20
If that's something that the public can put input on. 00:31:23
And it says on here that it's going to be two family homes. 00:31:27
One of the things that's happening in our neighborhood is that we're having. 00:31:33
We're being inundated by Airbnb's. 00:31:37
So and I understood. 00:31:40
That that was. 00:31:43
Something in holiday that we were supposed to be working on. 00:31:44
But I may be wrong. 00:31:47
So. 00:31:49
How do we know it's going to fit in with the design of the neighborhood? 00:31:50
That's it. 00:31:54
All right. Appreciate your comments. Thank you very much. 00:31:55
Are there any other comments this evening for this? 00:31:59
All right, and with that will. 00:32:03
Go ahead and close the public hearing and invite the applicant back up if he wishes to. 00:32:07
Address any of the questions or comments that were made by the public. 00:32:11
So as of right now, we've met all the criteria of the setbacks. 00:32:18
There's a legal height requirement set by Holiday City where it will meet that. 00:32:22
Umm, that they're going to be just traditional houses. We've got a couple houses, audience and holiday. 00:32:27
Be a great family house for. 00:32:36
Couple of good families. 00:32:37
OK. All right. Thank you very much. 00:32:39
And I'll just turn the city staff real quick. As far as the Airbnb question that was posed on that, if I'm not mistaken, aren't 00:32:41
Airbnb supposed to be on a certain Rd. type and permit it? 00:32:47
Absolutely have that our. 00:32:52
Existing code for short term rentals is. 00:32:54
That they would have to be located in an R2 which is a two family or an RM which is multifamily zone. 00:32:58
A second requirement is that they also have to be on a street that is 60 feet wide or wider. 00:33:05
Most neighborhood streets are. 00:33:13
50 feet wide. 00:33:15
So that. 00:33:15
There's a second kind of disqualifier there. 00:33:17
The third thing is if it meets both of those requirements. 00:33:20
Then it does go to the Planning Commission for a conditional use permit. 00:33:24
So we have a record of conditional use permits for any operating short term rentals that they I think we have. 00:33:30
Three in the city currently. 00:33:36
All in our two zones. 00:33:39
Or RM zones on major growths. 00:33:41
So anything that is operating in single family neighborhoods or just. 00:33:43
Neighborhoods in general. 00:33:47
Are not permitted. 00:33:49
And if you have concerns with those? 00:33:51
Talk with your council representative. 00:33:54
So take that to council. Don't send an ad to the code enforcement officer. You can report it in code enforcement. Sometimes it's a 00:33:57
little bit tricky to enforce on, but. 00:34:01
We're also happy to. 00:34:05
To take. 00:34:07
The citizen request section on the city's website so. 00:34:08
All right. Thank you. 00:34:11
So education for those. 00:34:13
Concerned about that one, so thank you very much for the comments. 00:34:14
With the. 00:34:18
Public hearing closed and rebuttal from the applicant Commissioners. Any additional questions for staff or the applicant at this 00:34:20
time? 00:34:23
All right. And any discussion to have. 00:34:28
I think to me this just seems like. 00:34:33
A reasonable subdivision. 00:34:37
Umm, the lot sizes are within the zone. 00:34:39
Seems very accessible from both roads. 00:34:44
I think there are always concerns about. 00:34:47
Having things change and has been more dense and they they were but. 00:34:49
It seems like having two houses on that size of lot would fit in with the. 00:34:53
The the neighboring the neighboring density character. 00:34:57
To me. 00:35:02
I agree, upside. 00:35:03
Getting the sidewalk downside, maybe losing some of the tree canopy, but you know. 00:35:05
I'm sure whatever. 00:35:09
Homes are put there in the future, will have lots of trees and it'll be forested again one day so. 00:35:11
All right. 00:35:16
Well, with that, does anyone want to go ahead and make a motion on this? 00:35:17
OK. Thank you. 00:35:20
I motion to Oh, let's make sure I'm gonna say more. 00:35:23
I motion to approve the preliminary. 00:35:26
Application by Mark Snow for Russell Corner A2 lot subdivision located at 4585 S Russell Street and the R18 zone. 00:35:30
Based upon the findings. 00:35:39
Umm, that development details required for preliminary and final plat have been submitted and reviewed by the C. 00:35:41
Each of the lots requires the minimum width and area for single family home development in the R18 zone. 00:35:49
The development complies with the general plan designation of low density residential stable. 00:35:55
Fire access is existing, labeled and approved by UFA. 00:36:00
And vehicular access through public roads, utility easements and right of way improvements have been provided. 00:36:04
Also within one year in accordance with 13.10 eight point. 00:36:10
070.8 to. 00:36:14
To complete administrative review and approval of the final Plat by the Community and Economic Development Director. 00:36:17
Following the positive written recommendation of NTRC. 00:36:22
Mr. Commissioner Prince. 00:36:25
Question for Brad. Did we need to note the sidewalk improvements in our findings? 00:36:27
Or is that? 00:36:33
Or they just required? 00:36:35
OK. Thank you. Then I second the motion. 00:36:37
All right, we have a motion and a second. We'll go ahead and call for a vote. We'll start down here. Commissioner for us. Aye, 00:36:40
Commissioner Prince. 00:36:44
And Chair Roach votes aye. And so with that, that measure passes. Thank you very much. 00:36:48
All right. And then in my own self-interest of drinking too much water, I'm going to call for a quick 5 minute break so we can 00:36:53
freshen up before we get to the what I suspect is largely readily attended vent here. So we will be back in four or five minutes. 00:37:01
Good idea. 00:37:18
Stop. 00:37:27
So. 00:38:54
Pizza. 00:39:35
I. 00:39:46
I. 00:39:54
How much is the house? 00:39:58
Good for you. 00:40:12
Creep slots. 00:40:16
I'm going to tell you when I come back with. 00:40:24
Normally it's not library. 00:40:27
Yeah. 00:40:34
Kim. 00:40:40
She couldn't clouds. 00:40:47
Dennis, question for you on this. Sorry, Commissioner, Chair. 00:40:55
Construction. Do you want to go through the procedure on the three items or would you like me to do that? 00:40:58
Are the three separate items for the. 00:41:06
Next. 00:41:07
So we've got three different here. 00:41:09
Yeah, do you want me to provide a? 00:41:12
Briefing on how that procedure will go for each of the three or do you want to do that? 00:41:14
I was thinking you would address each item as it came. OK. 00:41:20
That work? Yep. 00:41:23
Just so it's. 00:41:25
Nice and clean, yes. 00:41:26
There's no overlapping muddy water. 00:41:28
Great. 00:41:30
Yes. 00:41:34
Appreciate it. 00:41:37
All right. Well, welcome back everybody. Thank you for the, uh. 00:41:38
Patients during a quick break. 00:41:42
We're all fresh and ready to move. 00:41:44
Item number 2, which is the Hinckley Estates residential subdivision concept. 00:41:47
Plan and Carrie is going to, or I should say tomorrow, she's going to walk us through that. 00:41:52
Thank you, Chair. 00:42:02
Whew. All right. 00:42:04
So, umm. 00:42:07
Overall Project Review This is a project that has come before the Planning Commission before, so you should be. 00:42:09
Somewhat very familiar with it. 00:42:15
The applicant is applying for a PUD subdivision. 00:42:18
As part of that process. 00:42:22
We'll first look at a. 00:42:25
Concept, uh. 00:42:27
Subdivision layout with. 00:42:28
The R110 zone standards. 00:42:30
So the project involves. 00:42:32
Four different parcels. 00:42:35
And they are located at. 00:42:36
4888 S Florida 4880 S Flora Banda. 00:42:39
4890 S Bunda. 00:42:45
And. 00:42:48
Than one on Sleepy Hollow 2830 Sleepy Hollow. 00:42:50
The property is all owned by. 00:42:54
The same family. 00:42:56
Different ownership that was in the same family. 00:42:58
There's two parcels. 00:43:00
That are. 00:43:02
Currently just related parcels so they're not legal buildable. 00:43:03
Parcels currently. 00:43:07
So part of creating. 00:43:08
Legal Purchasable. 00:43:11
Property. Umm. 00:43:12
The applicant has gotten started this. 00:43:14
Subdivision process and opted to. 00:43:16
Their subdivision as a beauty. 00:43:19
So first step in that the concept. 00:43:21
Subdivision. 00:43:25
This is where. 00:43:26
The application is reviewed for. 00:43:30
The legal requirements. 00:43:32
Under the R110 zone. 00:43:34
The R110 zone requires a 10,000 square foot minimum lot size. 00:43:36
And 80 foot wide lot with a 60 foot. 00:43:40
Wide St. Frontage. 00:43:45
So the applicants laid out. 00:43:48
Layout with six lots that are all over the 10,000 square feet. They all have prior access. 00:43:52
The areas all have the required frontage and the required slot width. 00:44:00
So with that, that's how we establish the allowed number of units within the. 00:44:05
The Total PUD project. 00:44:12
So in this case after taking out fire access. 00:44:14
Are 6 units that would be allowed conceptually in the PUD project area? 00:44:17
And the applicant is just applying for. 00:44:22
Of the six. 00:44:25
Correct. Yes. 00:44:26
OK. And. 00:44:27
No matter how they dice up and angle and get creative with lot line adjustments et cetera, they have the fire access with the 00:44:29
easement on the roads regardless, right? 00:44:34
OK. Yeah. So the property is accessed through a private road with existing? 00:44:39
Access easements on it. 00:44:45
The existing easement. 00:44:47
Allows for it calls out specifically for parcels. 00:44:48
That is the original. 00:44:53
Property owner. 00:44:56
Umm, Miss Hinkley? That's on the far. 00:44:58
Northwest Side. 00:45:00
The property owner that's on the north. 00:45:02
East Side. 00:45:05
And then the two parcels that are related parcels currently. So those are all designated in the existing easement. 00:45:06
And so the applicant is just working with that. 00:45:13
Same amount of numbers so that that easement doesn't change. 00:45:16
So the legal. 00:45:20
Right for 6 units. 00:45:21
But that you've meant kind of research that's just down to a total of four with those two additional parcels? 00:45:24
So that's been what we'll see in their beauty concepts. 00:45:29
These minimum stone standard, that's kind of the first step in that process. 00:45:36
Any more questions for me? 00:45:40
All right, we're ready. 00:45:42
Will have the applicant come up then. 00:45:46
All right, with that, we'll invite. 00:45:48
Dee Rennie Woo. 00:45:50
Representative thereof to come forward and. 00:45:53
Add anything we need to know about this. 00:45:56
Yeah, thank you, Commissioner Roche. My name is Christian Reading. This is my wife. 00:45:58
It's nice to see you. 00:46:02
Again after a couple months. 00:46:04
Thanks for your time and help through the process so far. 00:46:06
When we met a couple of months ago, we were given three items to address. 00:46:09
The road access, fire access and tree canopy which will address in the later. 00:46:13
Agenda items. 00:46:17
For this, we first wanted to show. 00:46:19
That we are legally entitled. 00:46:22
To six lots in this subdivision. 00:46:23
So the community. 00:46:26
And committee are aware of. 00:46:28
Potential different outcomes aside from the one that we are proposing. 00:46:30
According to the R110 zone requirement and set back. 00:46:38
Our total size is 71,000. 00:46:43
642 square footage, which could potentially turn into 7. 00:46:45
Lot but due to access private road and current home assisting be able to. 00:46:50
Stop divide into six block total. 00:46:55
This is designed to maximum loss without considering any existing 3. 00:46:57
Mature trees, green space. 00:47:01
This study is only to show for. 00:47:03
For significant saving and consideration we put into our PUD. 00:47:06
Keeping as much green space as we can, which will help support natural habitats in the area. 00:47:10
And how pretty a better equality to Holiday City. 00:47:17
We are aware that later. 00:47:20
I think that's OK. 00:47:23
Anything that's good right now? Right now we're just talking about the actual chopping it up and how that looks. So I think that 00:47:26
covered it. Commissioners, any questions for the applicants? 00:47:31
Just a quick question. 00:47:36
We have a question for you, if you don't mind. 00:47:39
Commissioner gone. Go ahead. 00:47:40
So if you decide to do this, the easement on. 00:47:42
On whatever the site is, the east side would only allow two, so you'd have to bring in another Rd. on the other. 00:47:46
Scientists is that to make this? 00:47:51
Subdivision happen, is that correct to get the sex on there? 00:47:53
I can answer that. It's that essentially the easement agreement. 00:47:58
To change to. 00:48:03
Allow um. 00:48:05
Essentially 3 lots that would be access from outside. There's a potential that one of those could be accessed for Sleepy Hollow. 00:48:07
But all of those access easements would have to be worked out. 00:48:14
To actually. 00:48:17
Of her death at a six. 00:48:20
Thank you. 00:48:23
If they were applying for six, which they are knowledge, they are not. 00:48:24
OK. All right. Good clarification. All right. Thank you guys so much. 00:48:28
All right, so with that. 00:48:32
Will open up a public hearing. 00:48:34
And uh. 00:48:36
Just as a reminder for those wishing to make comment this particular. 00:48:37
Item that we're talking about. 00:48:41
Is simply. 00:48:43
Does the applicant? 00:48:44
Meet the requirements in order to. 00:48:46
Divide their property up. 00:48:48
As proposed into the four lots. 00:48:50
Not anything PUD or anything yet because those are future public. 00:48:52
Comment sections that we'll be opening up later. 00:48:56
So don't worry, you get a chance if that's what you're here about. But this is just simply for the lot divide itself. 00:48:59
So with that, anyone that wishes to make comment at this point is more than welcome to do so. 00:49:05
Again, Please remember to state your name and address for the record and try and keep comments to 3 minutes or less. 00:49:11
Maybe OK. 00:49:21
Hey, how's it going? My name is Christian Hanson. 00:49:27
I live at 4867. 00:49:30
South Florida, it's adjacent property. 00:49:32
And maybe to give some clarity. 00:49:36
I have a copy of the right away here. 00:49:38
And then right away what I think Kerry is talking about. 00:49:41
Is the right way says the right way. The grant of right of ways shall be terminated. 00:49:43
And all right. 00:49:49
Shall be extinguished. 00:49:51
To all benefiting parties. 00:49:53
If any of the above. 00:49:57
Properties is subdivided, amended. 00:50:01
For any development. 00:50:05
So I think that's what they're saying. It has to remain 4. 00:50:06
And so. 00:50:10
The six lot would extinguish right away and I don't want that. 00:50:10
Because we need access to our home. 00:50:15
That's my comment for right now. 00:50:17
OK. Thank you. 00:50:19
All right. Thank you. 00:50:20
Any other comments this time? 00:50:23
Glad there's so much excitement about Flora Bunda because. 00:50:35
We're all happy to be here and working on it. 00:50:40
So I'm assuming that name and address please. Oh yeah. 00:50:45
Dave Dellenbaugh, 4915 S Floor, Bunda Drive. 00:50:48
I'm assuming that this. 00:50:54
6 lot. 00:50:55
Graphic is. 00:50:57
Academic. 00:50:58
Because there's nobody in this room that wants 6 lives. 00:51:01
And there's no one that's proposing that. There's six lots. 00:51:06
And the idea of 6 lots. 00:51:09
Never came up. 00:51:12
Until yesterday. 00:51:13
So. 00:51:16
Umm, there's been no. 00:51:17
There's been no comment on it, no one in the neighborhood. 00:51:19
Has had a chance to address that. 00:51:22
Having six lots would be objected to by. 00:51:26
Everyone on the whole street, probably including. 00:51:28
I don't want to speak for the Randy's and Jean, but I'm sure they wouldn't like that either. 00:51:34
So, umm. 00:51:38
The idea of 6 is. 00:51:40
Is objected to. I wanted to make that simple point. 00:51:42
OK. Thank you very much. 00:51:45
All right, And any other public comment before we close. 00:51:52
On this one. 00:51:56
Cindy. 00:52:03
I live at 2865 Florida Drive. I live on the South edge. 00:52:04
Of the property that butts up against the Hinkley property. 00:52:09
And my only comment to this is I feel like. 00:52:12
I've been a neighbor of the Hinkley's for 22 years. I've known him for like 55 years. 00:52:16
I think they absolutely have a right to. 00:52:21
Develop their property. 00:52:24
Gene has been a good steward of their property. I just want to see it done right. 00:52:26
So that's all I have for this portion. OK, Thank you very much. 00:52:30
I don't really any other comments at this time. 00:52:37
Great. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing on Item 2 then and. 00:52:40
To the applicants, Bill, they need to come up and address anything that has been said at this time. 00:52:46
You don't have to. 00:52:50
OK. 00:52:52
And I do we we mentioned multiple times this is just conceptual. 00:52:55
On what? 00:52:59
Could legally. 00:53:01
Happen again. We do not want this to happen. 00:53:02
As well. 00:53:05
But legally? 00:53:06
6 lots. 00:53:08
Could be there. 00:53:09
Pending a change of easement. 00:53:11
Different things, but we do not want this to happen. 00:53:12
As well And I want to make that clear that. 00:53:15
The Commissioner and the Board. 00:53:17
As well as the community. 00:53:20
All right. Thank you very much. 00:53:21
Commissioners. 00:53:24
Any clarification questions? 00:53:25
No, all right, pretty straightforward. 00:53:29
At the risk of. 00:53:32
I'm not sure what the risk is, but. 00:53:36
If. 00:53:38
We, I mean, we've all heard they're talking about four laws. 00:53:39
We approve 6. 00:53:43
Just saying. 00:53:45
And all of a sudden, something changes and they decide they're going to go for six. 00:53:46
Because we. 00:53:51
Proof concept. 00:53:52
Is that something they can do? 00:53:54
As long if the meeting were to stop. 00:53:56
Right after this. 00:53:58
And not go ahead or by continuing down the road with the PUD and things. 00:54:00
That is the limiting factor that would. 00:54:05
Get us to the. 00:54:09
Only four. 00:54:10
So part of the PUD process is establishing the legal. 00:54:12
Number of dwelling units or which is determined by. 00:54:17
How many lots? 00:54:22
Meeting the minimum requirements can fit on the property. 00:54:23
That has to be done as part of a PUD process to establish. 00:54:26
The total number of allowed units. 00:54:32
Communities that allow the flexibility to move that total number of units. 00:54:35
Around in different configurations. 00:54:40
Depending on features of the property, things that want. 00:54:42
That property owner wants to preserve. 00:54:46
So that's. 00:54:49
That's just the. 00:54:50
Of kind of a starting point of this is what is legally allowed. 00:54:52
And then from there the applicant does not have to. 00:54:58
To do the full amount they can propose. 00:55:01
Fewer units. 00:55:04
In this case, their PUD concept. 00:55:05
Or 4 units. 00:55:08
If they wanted to change that to 6 units, they would need to amend their application and their concept plan as the PD. 00:55:11
Before the Commission is an application for. 00:55:20
4 units as part of a planned unit development. 00:55:23
If they wanted to change that in the future, it would require them to come back to the Planning Commission. 00:55:27
Have a neighborhood meeting. Have a public hearing. 00:55:33
To change the number of dwelling units and show. 00:55:37
How that change would be incorporated into the PUD? 00:55:40
So it's another review process if that were to change? 00:55:45
Thank you. 00:55:48
Shouldn't him just to clarify on that in the motion, should it then say A4 lot residential subdivision versus 6? 00:55:50
For the concept at the 6th spot. 00:56:00
Forward then, when we move into preliminary. 00:56:03
It would be a floor lot. 00:56:07
Subdivision SO2. Existing homes. 00:56:08
And then to propose new dwelling units. 00:56:12
It's basically just saying yes, it meets the legal requirement for six and then. 00:56:15
Anything beyond that? 00:56:19
They have to go through the process to try and get to 6 correct? 00:56:21
Right, OK. 00:56:24
It's clarifying for us and probably half the group here. 00:56:27
All right, So if there's no further questions or call. 00:56:32
Conversation. 00:56:35
This is Commissioner Prince. 00:56:37
I motion to approve the concept subdivision for Hinckley Estates, a six Watt residential subdivision. 00:56:39
And the R110 zone located at 4888. 00:56:46
4890. 00:56:49
And 48. 00:56:50
80 S Floor under drive and 28. 00:56:52
30 E Sleepy Hollow Drive. 00:56:54
Finding that the development complies with the R110 zone standards. 00:56:57
Utility letters have been provided. 00:57:01
Fire access requirements are met. 00:57:03
And with the requirements that a preliminary plat is. 00:57:05
Submitted and reviewed by the Planning Commission. 00:57:08
Any proposed PUD details the location of open space and preserve trees. 00:57:11
Final easement details and alignments are to be included on the plat. 00:57:17
Fire Access Rd. should be improved to a material to hold 24 tons. 00:57:20
No parking signage is required within required fire access areas. 00:57:24
This is Commissioner Font, I'll second that. 00:57:31
All right, with that we have. 00:57:33
A motion and a second. We'll start down here. Commissioner, gone. 00:57:36
Aye. 00:57:39
Aye, and Chair Roche votes aye. So with that. 00:57:41
The concept plan. 00:57:46
Move forward. 00:57:47
All right, time to get the meat and potatoes. 00:57:49
So moving on to. 00:57:51
Item 3. 00:57:53
Same applicant and properties. 00:57:55
Now the planned unit development. 00:57:59
Conditional use permit. 00:58:02
And carry. 00:58:04
Would you like to walk us through this please? 00:58:05
All right, this one is a more extensive review. 00:58:11
This is where all of those elements can then be changed from that. 00:58:15
Standard uh. 00:58:19
6 lot layout that would have standard setbacks. 00:58:20
Umm, standard lot sizes. 00:58:24
And, umm. 00:58:26
The applicants proposed to do 4 dwelling units. 00:58:27
And and. 00:58:31
Typically what you'd have on a smaller 10,000 square foot lot is a smaller house, just restricted by the size of the property. So 00:58:33
with this layout they have a little bit bigger area for building space. 00:58:40
That they have kind of consolidated into one area or a couple of areas where these two new houses. 00:58:47
And allowed some additional space for. 00:58:53
The existing homes. 00:58:57
The one on the. 00:58:59
Northwest side or sorry, northeast side? 00:59:02
UMM has a deck, so they have some of their building area around a deck. 00:59:06
That already exists on the property. 00:59:11
There is an existing shed up in the far. 00:59:13
Corner kind of a detached garage that they have also incorporated into their building area. 00:59:15
So trying to encapsulate things that are there already. 00:59:22
And then we're about to the older aging home allows some space for expanding that doing additions to accommodate. 00:59:26
Any family that decides to live there or. 00:59:34
If somebody were to purchase that property in the future that they do have some space to. 00:59:37
To add on to that. 00:59:41
And so building areas are really consolidated. They have detailed in their PUD what their total coverage is. 00:59:42
I believe it's at 37%. 00:59:51
In an R110 zone, the maximum coverage is 35%. 00:59:54
So they're pretty close within that. 00:59:59
Their structures are not going to cover that whole identified building area, so that's kind of an overestimation. 01:00:01
Likelihood is actually built will be. 01:00:08
Under the. 01:00:10
Total coverage that would be allowed in an R1. 01:00:12
On a 10,000 square foot lot. 01:00:15
So that kind of goes over coverage they've. 01:00:17
They have some slopes and mature trees that they've been working around. 01:00:21
They did provide a plan that shows their. 01:00:26
Tree removals that are affected by. 01:00:29
Building areas. 01:00:32
And some that are. 01:00:34
Kind of a little bit too close to building areas that could be impacted. 01:00:37
Some of those may be able to stay if. 01:00:41
They design A house. 01:00:45
That works around existing trees. 01:00:46
But safer to call them out as removals as being within that building area. 01:00:48
But that could flex and some of those could potentially. 01:00:54
Stay if they adapt their. 01:00:57
House. 01:00:59
Plans umm. 01:01:00
For the most part, those building areas are in the more open areas on the property. 01:01:02
John Williams. 01:01:08
Scroll to their concept PUD plan. 01:01:10
That shows the tree removals. 01:01:13
I believe it's in the standard. 01:01:18
Packet instead of in the. 01:01:19
Addendum. 01:01:21
And this page. 01:01:23
So they've identified trees that are. 01:01:27
Impacted by their building areas. 01:01:29
Once will clearly be impacted. 01:01:33
Some of the trees that are on the border may or may not be just depending on. 01:01:35
Where they build the house exactly because those building pads are. 01:01:40
General areas. 01:01:43
Umm, they're not identified. 01:01:45
They're not supposed to be. 01:01:47
This is exactly this footprint. There's going to be a square house right here and you can see that with. 01:01:49
How the existing house on the West property? 01:01:54
That's already there, but it has some area around it. 01:01:57
Just because it's easier to. 01:02:01
Draw square that incorporates the whole structure. 01:02:02
And allow some space. 01:02:05
Decks or. 01:02:07
Other minimal. 01:02:09
Additions. 01:02:10
The four units there. 01:02:13
Their fire access they have brought completely within the. 01:02:17
Property. 01:02:21
So we'll have a 40 foot wide width where it turns off. 01:02:22
And so there's a small gap there where utilities can be located. 01:02:26
And there's enough radius for a fire. 01:02:32
For fire access to turn in there. 01:02:36
All of the hashed areas are. 01:02:38
No parking, no access. So that it does meet those standard setbacks. 01:02:41
The law does, I believe, a lot. 01:02:45
There is a little bit bigger than 10,000 square feet. 01:02:47
But it is not. 01:02:50
80 feet wide. 01:02:51
So, but they're still using that 80 foot wide set back for the side set back of eight feet. 01:02:52
There are other perimeter setbacks. Is on. 01:02:58
The Northeast. 01:03:03
And they drew that in line with the existing accessory structure that is there. 01:03:06
And detailed. 01:03:12
They delineated between a primary building set back and an accessory building set back. So an accessory building set back would 01:03:15
have a four foot set back. 01:03:20
A primary building would have an 8 foot set back. 01:03:25
That would be standard with a 10,000 square foot. 01:03:28
80 foot wide. 01:03:31
So that's how they determine setbacks on that. 01:03:33
And all the other setbacks are interior. 01:03:36
Affect themselves, we. 01:03:42
There have been other beauties that we've looked at. Where? 01:03:44
It's just the building that is both. 01:03:47
The property itself, Sometimes it expands and has a little bit more space. 01:03:49
These are more traditional. 01:03:52
Building lots that are a little bit bigger. 01:03:54
They would still be required to meet. 01:03:57
Heights based off of their. 01:03:59
Lot size. 01:04:02
And. 01:04:04
See what else? 01:04:06
And Graduated Heights is the other one that I wanted to talk about too. 01:04:07
Graduated. 01:04:11
Is not modified by a PUD at all. 01:04:13
And essentially when. 01:04:15
You're building a structure. 01:04:18
The closer it is to a property line, the shorter it has to be. 01:04:20
If you have a four foot set back. 01:04:24
And then have the 8 foot height and a 45° angle. 01:04:26
That intersection point is 12 feet. 01:04:30
And 12 feet is about the size of a. 01:04:33
Detached garage structure. 01:04:35
So. 01:04:37
That's as pause it could be at 4 feet. 01:04:38
When you move a structure now. 01:04:40
8 feet away from a property line. 01:04:42
And add the additional 8 feet for the 45° angle. 01:04:44
That intersection point is 16 feet. 01:04:48
So typically you might have like. 01:04:51
You may be able to get to levels there at 8 feet from the property line. 01:04:53
But usually your upper level will have to move back further so you get a tiered effect like a wedding cake, and that's designed 01:04:57
to. 01:05:01
Push taller structures away from property lines. 01:05:05
So that graduated height. 01:05:08
Is still applicable. The PD doesn't modify that so that. 01:05:11
So it's all structures away from. 01:05:14
From property lines. 01:05:16
Whether it's an accessory structure. 01:05:17
Or primary structure. 01:05:19
So that's. 01:05:21
I think detailing the. 01:05:23
Graduated height. There is an image of that in the staff report. 01:05:26
Front setbacks because they have brought that. 01:05:31
Fire access inside the property line. 01:05:34
They have now set that back. 01:05:38
An additional. 01:05:39
Amount, so they end up being from their property line. 30 feet is what they're proposing for the second structure. 01:05:41
The first structure 20 feet from the property. 01:05:47
Carrots to clarify on lot 4. 01:05:51
On the South side of the. 01:05:54
Property. What is? Is it 12 foot? Is the set back between the? 01:05:55
Umm, property line on the South. 01:06:00
Lot. 01:06:05
Yes. So the South property line which is A5 property line for. 01:06:06
That lot is 8 feet. 01:06:10
That does back up to backyards. 01:06:13
And the backyards for those two properties, I believe are then much larger setbacks. 01:06:16
And that's what you get on any corner when you have a side yard that's next to a groupard. 01:06:21
I'm just looking at all the trees in there and. 01:06:26
Trying to think how 8 feet is. 01:06:28
Going to be viable for those trees to continue to live, I mean. 01:06:32
If they've got the neighbors yard to access root system wise, but. 01:06:35
But again, they're not pushing the. 01:06:39
Property right up to the buildable area, but they could. 01:06:41
Right, the buildable area up to the property line, well up to the 8 foot line. 01:06:44
Right, that's. 01:06:49
What's being identified as a building area? 01:06:51
There's a condition that you could potentially make or consideration of that of like. 01:06:55
Have the average be 8 feet. We talked about this with one of the other beauties that we looked at is. 01:07:00
An average of eight feet. So then. 01:07:05
The closest point would be 8 feet. 01:07:08
That some parts might hatch that way that would. 01:07:10
Maybe provide some space for some of those trees there that they could move away from the trees. 01:07:13
But then bring some. 01:07:18
Right. So that would be a consideration is treating those. 01:07:20
Setbacks instead of hardlines. They could be an average and that would be detailed on the plat. 01:07:23
So and you can discuss that with the applicant as to if that is an option that they would be willing to consider. 01:07:28
OK, 30 minutes. I'm going to have you repeat that one more time. 01:07:37
If it wasn't. 01:07:41
Average, uh. 01:07:42
The closest would be 8 feet. 01:07:43
Yes. So that is how we do setbacks in holiday across the board is an averaging. 01:07:47
We have our determined set back. 01:07:55
And for that they can come up. 01:07:58
Closer 15% of that amount. 01:08:00
But then they still have to average out that. 01:08:03
So if you're. 01:08:07
Set back as 8 feet. 01:08:08
You can't count 15% closer. 01:08:10
But then you'd have to have some but set. 01:08:12
To meet the average overall. 01:08:16
And so that's. 01:08:19
We that's applied across French where site property lines and. 01:08:20
Any lot so you can just clarify that as like. 01:08:24
This is an 8 foot set back line but it. 01:08:28
Needs to be an average set back line. 01:08:31
But the maximum width of the point, which would be. 01:08:33
10%. 01:08:39
Oh, you mean 15% closer? 01:08:41
Yeah, If you want to include that extra 15% allowance or just have 8 fees be your nail point, close. 01:08:44
8 foot average. 01:08:53
8 foot. 01:08:55
Minimum. 01:08:56
I think you're looking at like a 10 foot average with no point closer than 8. 01:08:58
OK, that makes more sense. Makes more sense. OK. 01:09:02
OK, all right, I'm no math whiz, but. 01:09:06
Yeah, and the averaging gets a little bit tricky, but it is designed to create. 01:09:10
Buildings and structures. 01:09:17
Houses that don't have just a flat face that people aren't just pushing right up against the set back line that there can be some 01:09:18
variations so you can get like window pop outs or. 01:09:23
A room that comes out closer, but then you have a room that goes out further. So it's just for building variation. 01:09:30
Better architectural design. 01:09:37
And and. 01:09:39
That would be for the. 01:09:41
That we're talking about. 01:09:43
For the. 01:09:45
Primary building. 01:09:47
Not, uh. 01:09:48
Accessory buildings. 01:09:49
It would be for the building area. 01:09:51
OK, umm. 01:09:53
Yeah, because on a PUD plat, we're not looking at accessory buildings and primary buildings were just identifying. 01:09:54
Areas that can be built in so if they built an accessory building would have to be that layer in the right and compliance of 01:10:00
civics. 01:10:04
Unless on that side they also wanted to apply it. 01:10:08
Separate accessory building set back. 01:10:11
They chose to apply that on. 01:10:13
N Front. 01:10:16
A lot because the structure is already there as a smaller house. 01:10:17
That's I don't think there is a garage on that. So they. 01:10:21
Want to have some flexibility to do a garage? 01:10:24
That's essentially the same place as what's there. 01:10:27
OK. 01:10:30
So, uh. 01:10:32
We've done. 01:10:33
Going through the staff report here on our TRC analysis he's talked about. 01:10:34
Setbacks. 01:10:39
We talked about building heights. 01:10:41
That would be based off of the. 01:10:44
Size of the lots that they're creating. 01:10:46
Instead of the. 01:10:48
I think that's. 01:10:50
What I put in there? 01:10:51
Yeah, and then graduated heights. 01:10:54
Lot coverage, we talked about lot coverage on a 10,000 square foot lot and then how that's applied on a larger PUD scale. 01:10:57
And the next page. 01:11:05
Oh yeah, I'm just going to ask you, did we already cover? 01:11:09
What's preserved open space? Are you moving to that now? 01:11:12
Yes. So that's then. 01:11:15
PJ on the staff report. It goes through the PUD elements. 01:11:18
And I'm sure that you reviewed each of those. 01:11:22
Those the parts in bold are taken from the. 01:11:25
Code uh. 01:11:29
On Pauteus. 01:11:30
Stating what the purpose is. 01:11:32
And then staff analysis is the italicized. 01:11:34
Bullet points on each of those points. 01:11:38
Umm, as you read through the staff report, I'm sure you kind of looked at those considerations as well and what the where the 01:11:41
staff recommendation is coming from. 01:11:44
Compatibility I think is another thing that. 01:11:49
Should be discussed as well. 01:11:53
Looking at the total area and this area has been an R110 zone from Salt Lake County. 01:11:57
The floor abundance subdivision that was created in 1950, that is the road that goes kind of into this. 01:12:04
I was greeted with lots that were larger than the minimum that was required. 01:12:11
At that time, so that was a choice of the land developer. 01:12:15
Based off of. 01:12:19
Maybe their own parcel of land and how things worked out. It was just. 01:12:21
Lots ended up being bigger than. 01:12:25
Was legally required. 01:12:27
A couple of different subdivisions in the area. 01:12:29
There's one on. 01:12:33
There was one on Wander Lane that is directly adjacent to this property. 01:12:34
That was subdivided into two separate lots. 01:12:39
A single person purchased multiple slots and built a larger house and had a larger. 01:12:42
Combined. 01:12:47
Was a similar thing on Sleepy Hollow, just to the north. 01:12:47
Corner that was subdivided into two parcels that were smaller. 01:12:52
And a. 01:12:56
Single person bought both of those lots and combined them into a single. 01:12:57
Parcel SO. 01:13:01
People do have that option in subdivisions that they can. 01:13:03
Find more than one month, combine them and create a larger parcel. 01:13:06
But the overall zone is much larger. 01:13:10
Or, sorry, much smaller. 01:13:14
Properties that are consistent with the R110 size. 01:13:16
And you can see that up in the. 01:13:19
Eastern subdivision, where? 01:13:22
Manaloa wina. 01:13:25
Those are smaller parcels and then also West of wandering or smaller parcels. 01:13:28
So the Flora Bunda Heights subdivision. 01:13:33
Outlier in the overall context. 01:13:37
Of the area. 01:13:40
And that's what you get when you have. 01:13:41
Large properties. 01:13:43
Held by families for a long time, they kind of divide them up how they want to. 01:13:44
When you have larger pieces of land that maybe are. 01:13:50
Taken over or. 01:13:53
Developed by a larger developer, you get more standardized. 01:13:54
Minimum on say this. 01:13:58
Social preferences there. 01:13:59
I like those preferences just. 01:14:02
Thrown that out there. 01:14:04
So that's that's kind of the compatibility piece. I know that that's something that umm. 01:14:06
Was brought up at the last meeting of. 01:14:10
You know what its compatibility and how does that fit in with the neighborhood? 01:14:12
Small scale. Large scale. 01:14:15
So that would be something that you could consider there. 01:14:18
And I think then we've. 01:14:23
Looked at the trees. 01:14:25
Umm, as we're looking at. 01:14:26
This being a conditional use permit. 01:14:31
Much of the things that you can assess as a Commission is what are the impacts. 01:14:34
If we're looking at privacy, if. 01:14:39
You're looking at. 01:14:41
How a standard set back would affect a neighboring property on the perimeters of a subdivision. 01:14:43
How then do you want to mitigate those impacts by placing requirements within the PUD element? 01:14:49
Some of those could be increased trees, increased budget. 01:14:57
Vegetation. 01:14:59
Fencing on the perimeter. 01:15:01
There's options that then can. 01:15:02
Potentially address some of those. 01:15:04
Privacy issues. 01:15:07
Or if you. 01:15:08
To see more trace on this page. 01:15:10
You can say, OK, let's put. 01:15:11
Some more trees back here. 01:15:13
Or there's. 01:15:14
That's just bad conditions, part of. 01:15:17
A conditional use permit. 01:15:19
You have impacts. 01:15:21
And how do you want to address those impacts? 01:15:22
So I think with that. 01:15:25
She's pretty thorough. Review. 01:15:28
I'll have the applicant come up and they can review anything else that they would like to ask that. 01:15:31
And, umm. 01:15:36
Of course, then we can do. 01:15:38
If you want to do questions first or do you want to do a public hearing, you can. 01:15:39
Anybody need? 01:15:43
Anything else from? 01:15:45
Good. I think we're good. You're awesome. That's very thorough. Thank you. 01:15:47
All right, we'll have the applicant come back up and. 01:15:50
Now it's your turn to. 01:15:53
Walk us through the sticky. 01:15:54
Yeah. Thank you. 01:15:56
Commissioner. 01:15:57
We and good. 01:15:59
Carried out Impressive. 01:16:00
We'd like to address the topics brought up during the last. 01:16:02
Meeting and session that we had which included. 01:16:06
Road and fire access and preserving the trees. 01:16:08
These were concerns from neighbor and the committee. 01:16:12
Wanted these resolved before approving the plans. 01:16:14
1st for road and fire access. 01:16:17
After considering different options and proposals. 01:16:20
From a neighbor. 01:16:23
One of the options was to have our own road and fire access. 01:16:24
This is what we decided to go with to prevent any need to cross. 01:16:28
Neighbors property. 01:16:32
We'll provide our own Rd. access that needs fire access for these lots, and the current layout has been accepted by the Fire 01:16:33
Marshall as well. 01:16:36
Second for the tree canopy. 01:16:41
With our best research and protection guideline. 01:16:43
There will be AT. 01:16:46
PZ protection around the Mulberry tree, the oak tree, and some other trees. 01:16:47
Necessary. 01:16:52
During construction. 01:16:55
So those those will be protected. 01:16:56
And with our careful study of the subdivision. 01:16:57
We currently have about. 01:17:00
13,902 square feet of canopy space and we were removing about 1023 square feet, which is roughly 7%. 01:17:02
Of the total. 01:17:10
And the trees along the southern lot that are connected to the neighbors can be kept or replanted for privacy as well. 01:17:13
When we showed the lock configuration Holiday City, the suggestion from the staff was to create a subdivision in conjunction with 01:17:20
a planned unit development. 01:17:24
Which? 01:17:29
Again, as we know, allows for flexibility in building areas. 01:17:30
While preserving existing greenery, mature trees and open space. 01:17:33
And I think Carrie Copper, most of my part that I was going to talk about. 01:17:38
Umm, let's see, 01 thing that I noticed umm. 01:17:42
We did design the 35th. 01:17:47
From the center line up the right of way for what? 01:17:49
The northern lot. 01:17:53
And the 20 feet from the right of way for the. 01:17:54
The southern lot. 01:17:57
And with that I did. 01:17:58
Inspector. 01:18:00
Right of way and where the street. 01:18:01
At I use our property line. 01:18:03
So we actually further or even further away, yeah. 01:18:06
If depends on where the street is. 01:18:09
But also. 01:18:11
We did talk about. 01:18:13
The street being just right next to the property light. So that's why I. 01:18:14
We make that design too. 01:18:19
Help her have that as a. 01:18:21
Consideration. 01:18:23
And for the beautiful area, because it looks. 01:18:25
More like a thick and pokey we. 01:18:28
Came up with the. 01:18:30
Determined by the fire access reach part which is within the 150 feet. 01:18:34
So that's. 01:18:38
How we kind of come up with that shape, it's not that we're going to build. 01:18:39
Up to that. 01:18:43
Big shape so. 01:18:44
Just so we know we don't build anything over. 01:18:46
And and I think that's it. 01:18:49
I think carry cover. 01:18:51
Are the other important? 01:18:53
Topic for myself. 01:18:55
And then I just wanted to clarify with you guys, make sure I'm looking at this lot. I don't know which picture this is as like the 01:18:56
dark green watches on the light green watches and the image on one of these pages. 01:19:02
Is that the? Is that the designated? 01:19:08
Open space as part of your PD. 01:19:11
Application yeah, so I. 01:19:14
What picture are we talking about, John? Do you want to go to the one that we looked at before that had the tree? 01:19:17
Got either about one or the one that's right before it. 01:19:24
I think that one is the one I was referring to, yeah. 01:19:29
This one's a little bit cleaner because it doesn't have all the images on it. 01:19:33
Can you go to 11? 01:19:38
So the the. 01:19:42
Oh, sorry. OK. 01:19:44
So we put. 01:19:47
You can see that. 01:19:50
Hatch, Hatch. 01:19:52
On the lot 4 of. 01:19:54
Genes current lot right now. 01:19:58
Those hatchets? 01:20:00
We I calculated as. 01:20:02
Common area cause well. 01:20:05
Want to reserve those area we're not planning on. 01:20:06
Taking down. 01:20:09
Any trees there and? 01:20:11
Our access will consider to be out common. 01:20:13
Area umm. 01:20:17
As well. 01:20:18
Did that answer your question? 01:20:21
I think so. I'm just trying to make sure because I'm seeing kind of two different graphics so. 01:20:22
This one here with these cross patches that has it on the very southern lot. 01:20:26
But then if you Scroll down a couple images you have one that has like these other. 01:20:32
Darker green. 01:20:37
Patches are those. 01:20:38
Not considered. 01:20:40
Yeah, there we go. 01:20:42
This this one I used it to calculate the. 01:20:44
Canopy space where there's a lot of. 01:20:48
Shape from the tree. 01:20:50
So I try to get. 01:20:52
Dim that number. 01:20:53
To show. 01:20:56
What we're taking and what we're keeping. 01:20:59
OK. 01:21:01
I just trying to make sure I understand the difference of which one we would. 01:21:02
We were doing a lot of different study. 01:21:05
For me too. So yeah. So this this one is showing the tree canopy. 01:21:08
The other one is showing the shared space. 01:21:12
So because it's running along. 01:21:14
This what would that be? Western property? 01:21:16
On whatever that is. I can't read that small lot 1. Is that the neighbors tree canopy that's covering it? Thanks. I don't see any 01:21:21
trees. 01:21:24
Identified on your map there. 01:21:28
It got out. 01:21:30
Some shaded area on that bottom but. 01:21:32
On our side, it's actually a little bit smaller. 01:21:35
But umm. 01:21:37
That's the option of privacy. 01:21:40
So like we're going to want to create that privacy for black neighbor anyway. So we want to. 01:21:44
If that tree in that area needs to be replanted, we want something a little bit. 01:21:50
Taller to be. 01:21:54
OK, just trying to make sure I understand what's been. 01:21:56
Submitted to the city and what's? 01:22:00
Actually there because like I said, I. 01:22:02
Don't see any trees so I don't understand how that's shaped. 01:22:05
Oh yes. 01:22:08
It has some other little trees so I tried to get it so. 01:22:10
Cover more up. 01:22:15
So there's like arborvitaes or something there because the drawing of the tree is. 01:22:17
Super accent up the side of the diameter. 01:22:22
But I'm trying to. 01:22:25
OK. Yeah, that just. 01:22:27
I'm more of a visual than reading the text kind of guy, so I appreciate you clarifying that for me. 01:22:29
Commissioners, any other questions for the applicant? 01:22:36
We're looking at two different graphics here. 01:22:41
What you have here and what's up there. 01:22:45
Well, so there's. 01:22:47
But the hash mark one is the actual preservation area. 01:22:50
So 3 up from here, 2 up from here, whatever, right? 01:22:53
Yeah. So this is your preservation area? 01:22:57
That little triangle. 01:23:02
The patch in between the houses and then. 01:23:04
Down on the South. 01:23:07
So, yeah, and anywhere that you have your. 01:23:09
Outside of the building area is still. 01:23:12
Open space because you can't. 01:23:15
Build in it. 01:23:16
Umm, do you where you sort of find that that is like. 01:23:18
Common maintenance for those hash barriers or that those are like. 01:23:21
Preserved areas. 01:23:28
For that area, there's like a little. 01:23:32
What do you call the balcony there already? 01:23:35
And as a common space, people that in that area have. 01:23:38
We like you happy. 01:23:42
Like that? 01:23:45
Like we want to serve it. It's a common. 01:23:46
OK, Yeah. 01:23:49
And that in the hash area. 01:23:50
Yeah, in the hat, OK, but. 01:23:52
The other area that's OK. So there's like a. 01:23:54
Like pergola kind of structure that's there, OK. 01:23:57
OK, so the. 01:24:02
The yellow area is your building area, but it doesn't mean you're going to build a structure. 01:24:06
Cover that entire area. 01:24:12
Correct. Then the green area is your open space, but these are common spaces that you've designated them. 01:24:14
OK. All right. 01:24:21
Thank you for clarifying that, sorry. 01:24:23
I get turned around on some of these things. John's laughing at me over here. It's great though. 01:24:25
All right. Well, I think we have grilled you guys enough and I think I have a pretty good idea. And Kerry broke it down. 01:24:30
You guys added to it. So I think we're ready to open the public hearing. We'll have you sit down and like. 01:24:35
Bite you back up after public comment here. 01:24:39
All right, meat, potatoes, a lot of people have been waiting for. We are now going to reopen or we're going to open this public 01:24:43
hearing again. State your name and address for the record, since I'm guessing several people may comment on this one as well. 01:24:49
Please do not. 01:24:56
Remake the same remarks from the person before. You don't have to get up and say Ditto, we got it, it's on the public record. But 01:24:57
if you have something additional to add, we'd love to hear that from you. And with that, we'll go ahead and invite someone up now. 01:25:02
I'm Jane Hinckley at 4880 S. 01:25:19
More than the drive by, the cause of all this problem? 01:25:22
I would like to give you. 01:25:26
A2 minute history of this piece of property that's so dear to me. 01:25:28
My father bought. 01:25:33
4 acres of land from Christian Patterson, who lived on Castle Lane. 01:25:34
In the early 1930s, before I was born. 01:25:39
We lived in Chile until 1944. 01:25:44
So my grandfather and uncle planted and watered. 01:25:47
Many of the trees. 01:25:51
We still have a wonderful Sycamore Maple ash. 01:25:53
Mulberry and two Scotch Pines in my backyard from those original trees. 01:25:57
And I've planted lots of pie trees. 01:26:03
We built our long dreamed. 01:26:08
Holiday home in. 01:26:11
1949. 01:26:13
That was logged before form under or salmay was there. 01:26:16
My brother built his home. 01:26:20
Now owned by Christian Hanson. 01:26:22
In the early 1960s. 01:26:24
And my dad built my home in 1964. 01:26:27
My kids and my brother's kids had an amazing growing up. 01:26:31
My dad taught my boys how to work hard. 01:26:36
And we had horses. 01:26:39
I now own about an acre and a fourth of the original 4 acres. 01:26:41
With my home in these two laws. 01:26:47
So I'm so grateful to have a grandson that is able. 01:26:51
AB desires. 01:26:56
To continue this family heritage. 01:26:57
His parents have built a home below me. 01:27:00
After a 20 year wait, that's the whole month. 01:27:03
On Sleepy Hollow. 01:27:06
And it'll be wonderful to have the family traditions carried on. 01:27:09
Did Christian have allowed me to stay in my home? 01:27:13
As long as I am able. 01:27:17
And also they won't do any building while I'm still alive. 01:27:19
And these worked so hard and so well with Holiday City. 01:27:23
To make all this work. 01:27:28
And I dearly love this place. Thank you. 01:27:30
Thank you very much. 01:27:33
Hi, Cindy Gubler at 2865 Floor Bender Drive. 01:27:42
I told you before, I love the Hinkleys. I love June. 01:27:48
I love this land too. 01:27:51
I love Florida. 01:27:53
But I am concerned about. 01:27:55
If a PUD is a right choice. 01:27:57
I don't know. 01:28:00
I'm asking you guys to ask the hard questions and make the hard decisions. 01:28:01
Because I look at it and I think. 01:28:05
Could you the same thing be accomplished without a PUD? 01:28:08
I look at it and I think have what we've done is move the buildings to the far. 01:28:13
Corners of the property. 01:28:18
And we create damage there. 01:28:20
Damage along my property line. 01:28:22
And we've created a pocket part. 01:28:25
And to me that feels like. 01:28:27
That's great for something like. 01:28:29
Daybreak. 01:28:31
And I love Daybreak. 01:28:32
But I'm like at the end of the street we need. 01:28:34
Surrounded by houses of Pocket Park. 01:28:37
Or do we keep the character of the street? Where? 01:28:40
We've got lush big. 01:28:42
Yards that have mature trees. 01:28:44
From Wonder Lane all the way up floor Benda Drive. 01:28:47
Each house has got mature trees and shrubs. 01:28:51
So when you're in your house, you feel like you're secluded. You're tucked into your little. 01:28:54
Corner of the world and I feel like. 01:28:59
When we get to here, we're going to destroy that. 01:29:01
We're going to destroy what I've got. 01:29:04
And so I'm going to. 01:29:07
Just show you because I noticed in the packet you guys have pictures. 01:29:08
Of the property, but you don't have pictures of that South. 01:29:11
Corridor umm. 01:29:14
By my house. 01:29:16
So when I look at my. 01:29:18
Bedroom door. 01:29:19
And my courtyard. This is what I see. 01:29:20
It's like a force canopy. 01:29:23
Can you guys see that from there? I need to have it up here. 01:29:25
When I look at my backyard. 01:29:28
At the Hinkley's property. 01:29:30
Same thing. 01:29:31
It's a forest. You can see there's a herd of deer right there. 01:29:32
They use that corridor all the time. 01:29:35
Another picture of my front yard. There's a big. 01:29:39
Out there. 01:29:42
In that corridor. 01:29:43
This is that corridor from. 01:29:45
They can. Please wear. They're going to take down this tree. This tree. 01:29:48
You can't even see my house from there. 01:29:51
You can't see my front yard, you can't see my house, You can't see my backyard. 01:29:54
But if I look at that. 01:29:58
I think the House is so close to that corridor. 01:30:00
That a lot of trees are coming down. 01:30:04
And the potential for those trees that are going to remain to stay alive. 01:30:07
Is diminished like the light is diminished. 01:30:12
The roots are diminished because. 01:30:15
A lot of those trees are 3040 feet tall. 01:30:17
The roots go out. 01:30:19
And so either I'm asking for the hue please to. 01:30:21
Push those up further. 01:30:25
There's lots of land there. 01:30:27
We don't need a pocket park. 01:30:29
Let's push it up and have a bigger run for. 01:30:31
Sidetrack there. 01:30:33
That would. 01:30:35
Made me feel like terrific, we're there. 01:30:38
If they can't do that, I think. 01:30:41
Even if they do do that, I feel like we need to have a. 01:30:44
Protective Protect the tree protection plan put in place. 01:30:48
So that we know. 01:30:51
Here's what's going to happen before construction happens. What needs to be fenced in? 01:30:52
How does construction happen so we protect the roots of the trees? 01:30:58
The tree canopy. 01:31:01
Are there things on my property that I need to do before construction? Do I need to? 01:31:03
Water Extra. 01:31:08
Because my trees are going to be in stress. 01:31:09
Are certain trees going to be taken down so I lose that privacy I have right now? 01:31:13
So it no longer is a forest there. 01:31:17
So I would ask that you guys ask him for that minimally. 01:31:21
And that any damage to my trees or? 01:31:25
If they die, they're held accountable to them. 01:31:28
I love my property. It's surrounded by trees. It's surrounded by. 01:31:33
Forest and for them to just. 01:31:36
Come in and. 01:31:38
No big deal. Let's just cut that down. 01:31:40
It's a tragedy. 01:31:42
And I think that's what holidays all about is. 01:31:44
Large lots tree canopy. 01:31:47
Protecting what we have and if we just let stuff go in. 01:31:49
Pretty soon, we're just. 01:31:53
Not holiday anymore. 01:31:54
The whole character of our city changes. 01:31:55
And that's a huge concern. 01:31:58
Broader than this, that's why I wanted to really show up tonight, too. 01:32:01
Because I do love Holiday. I grew up here. 01:32:05
And I'm like, it's special, but we've got to keep it special. We've got a lot of impacts coming down the city. 01:32:08
And I feel like. 01:32:14
You guys have a tough job. 01:32:15
And you've got to be wise about stuff like this, so. 01:32:17
That's what I have to say. 01:32:21
All right, Cindy, thank you very much. 01:32:22
Hi, my name is Rob Neither and I live on 2870 floor Bunda. 01:32:29
Sorry one more time Robert Rob Neidecker. I live on 2874 Abunda. 01:32:33
And I'm a huge fan of the Hinckley's and D. 01:32:39
And Christian. 01:32:43
I heard. 01:32:45
I have actually a handwritten copy. 01:32:45
Of Gene's history. 01:32:48
In my files. 01:32:49
And they're right next to the covenants. 01:32:51
I know that. 01:32:53
Belongs here, but I want to just provide. 01:32:54
Context from a neighbor too. 01:32:56
Because those covenants mattered a lot to me. 01:32:58
Signed by King and also signed by. 01:33:01
Bob and Nancy Folsom. 01:33:03
We bought. 01:33:05
The property that was. 01:33:06
Subdivided by. 01:33:07
The chards, and I don't know how they got away with that. 01:33:09
Because it wasn't compatible with the covenants. 01:33:12
And we combine the properties back. 01:33:15
Every single person on floor bunda. 01:33:18
Said thank you for preserving. 01:33:20
What floor Bunda is all about South. 01:33:23
I love the Hinkley's. That's more than the Hinckley's though. 01:33:25
And what causes me a little bit of distress even though they're not subject to the covenants? 01:33:27
Maybe even though they signed them. 01:33:33
Is the setbacks. 01:33:34
Are not consistent with the covenants that a lot of people sign and a lot of people signed up for. 01:33:36
Including my wife and me who've lived in the area. 01:33:41
Me, 20 years, My wife. 01:33:43
Probably about 40. 01:33:47
So we want to provide that for additional context on. 01:33:48
The spirit and community of Florida. 01:33:52
All right. Thank you. 01:33:55
Hi, my name is Christian Hanson again 4867 S Florida adjacent property owners. 01:34:10
My wife and I. 01:34:17
Have lived in that home. 01:34:19
I think 8 years now or no? 01:34:21
Bought it in eight years, lived in seven years. 01:34:23
And the thing we love about that home? 01:34:25
Is the privacy. 01:34:27
And that's the whole reason we bought it. 01:34:29
And it is surrounded, just as Cindy said. I think that's what everybody here loves. 01:34:31
Is the trees. 01:34:36
And the privacy you can look any direction on her home. 01:34:38
And it's hard during the summertime to see a backdoor name. 01:34:42
We support. 01:34:48
Plan development that fits the character of our neighborhood and respects the holiday code. 01:34:50
That the city planners have explained to us their legal role is to assist the applicant with the law. 01:34:55
And that way they are. 01:35:01
The applicants advocate. 01:35:03
We asked them who's our advocate. 01:35:05
Sorry, what was that? 01:35:10
Please address the. 01:35:11
OK, I just thought you asked me a question. 01:35:14
So you're good. 01:35:18
We are told that the code is our advocate. 01:35:20
And for clarification, when Carrie was talking again, I might have misheard her, but she was talking about. 01:35:25
The R1. 01:35:32
6 lot scenario. 01:35:34
A more accurate would be comparison would be 4 lots because that easement. 01:35:36
Does not allow. 01:35:41
6 so. 01:35:42
Just pointing that out. 01:35:43
Also, she had said that 4 foot setbacks is standard on a 10,000 square foot. 01:35:45
A lot. We're talking about half acre lots. 01:35:51
So not 10,000 square foot. 01:35:54
To point that out again, I might. 01:35:57
I'm not good at math either. 01:35:59
So I might might have misunderstood that, but I wanted to make sure. 01:36:00
Every understands my huts. 01:36:04
Over 1/2 acre of jeans lots. Over 1/2 acre. 01:36:06
And a four foot set back. 01:36:09
Seems crazy. 01:36:11
And. 01:36:14
One thing that. 01:36:16
Was told to us also by somebody in the planning was a driveway. 01:36:17
Access needs to be 5 feet from property corners. 01:36:22
I don't know if that's accurate, but that was told to us. 01:36:26
So if their driveway in the new plants making sure that that's. 01:36:28
Compatible. 01:36:33
Right now it looks like it goes right to our property corners. 01:36:34
As opposed to being 5 feet off before the driveway access starts. 01:36:37
Again, that was just told to us. 01:36:43
So our main concern? 01:36:47
The inconsistency and setbacks, especially on that shared property line. 01:36:50
I mentioned. 01:36:55
5. 01:36:55
Or .58 acre lot is ours. 01:36:57
Genes is 0.55. 01:37:01
And my setbacks. 01:37:04
15 feet. 01:37:05
On the side. 01:37:07
23. 01:37:09
And 36. 01:37:10
That's my setbacks with R110. 01:37:11
Yeah, the PG proposes. 01:37:14
Well, you heard before. 01:37:15
Between. 01:37:17
Three PUD homes. 01:37:18
8 feet on the southern. 01:37:19
And four feet. 01:37:21
On our shared property line. 01:37:23
We understood or we understand that the four foot setback would allow for a 60 foot long. 01:37:27
Wall 17 feet high. 01:37:33
On the southern and on the southern. 01:37:37
By Cindy and the Pearsons, it would. 01:37:40
Allow again. 01:37:42
This is what those building pads allow for. 01:37:45
130 feet long and approximately 22 feet high. 01:37:47
So we asked the Commission, why are the largest setbacks in spacing between beauty homes shouldn't share property lines with 01:37:52
neighbors? 01:37:55
Shouldn't share property lines with neighbors not in the PUD receive at least that same? 01:38:00
Or better respect of the. 01:38:06
Character of the Neighborhood on the R110. 01:38:08
This is not a high density PUD area. 01:38:12
Is the private lane. 01:38:14
In holiday on half acres. 01:38:16
My second point is the tree canopies which have. 01:38:18
Have been brought up. 01:38:21
And the simple idea is. 01:38:22
Larger setbacks. 01:38:25
Give uh. 01:38:27
More uh. 01:38:29
Area for tree canopy. I put this in my packet. 01:38:30
I went and counted trees. I tried to put best I could. 01:38:33
It's probably not 100% accurate display. 01:38:36
But that shows where mature trees are. 01:38:39
And you can see they're on the property. 01:38:42
Boundaries so. 01:38:44
The thinking is if you have larger setbacks on. 01:38:45
Property boundaries. Then you spread. 01:38:48
More people's privacy. 01:38:50
There and then the compatibility in character. 01:38:53
The code says the Commission must decide whether the size, shape and placement of homes in a PD fit the character of the 01:38:57
surrounding area. 01:39:00
And don't negatively affect adjacent properties. 01:39:04
Our 4 foot and 8 foot setbacks typical for 4/01 to no. 01:39:07
Is the character. 01:39:11
To have homes on half acre lots sit in the extreme corners. 01:39:13
With four foot setbacks. 01:39:17
I would say no. 01:39:19
They're centered in lots. 01:39:21
Would this layout affect spacing, Privacy. Light shade up nearby homes? 01:39:22
Yes, these are all reasonable concerns. 01:39:27
Under the code. 01:39:30
The last thing I brought up before, but I'll just give it 2 second airtime, is that right away access. 01:39:32
We're concerned that if subdivising, rezoning is altered. 01:39:38
In any in any way? 01:39:42
We could lose that right away. Access. 01:39:44
So we incur even though. 01:39:47
Beauty is not rezoning. 01:39:48
It does alter development. 01:39:50
And could be interpreted as that alteration. We asked the Commission to require legal verification. 01:39:52
That the right away remains valid. 01:39:58
If a PUD is a. 01:40:00
We also heard that the PD might be better to protect against future subdivision, but again. 01:40:03
That's not true. 01:40:09
That prohibits it. Only four lots can be there. 01:40:10
Final thought, we want to be clear, we're not opposed to development. 01:40:13
We want the solutions. 01:40:16
To start, but when solutions start creating more problems, smaller setbacks, bigger building paths. 01:40:18
Less privacy. 01:40:24
Reduced tree coverage is worth asking. 01:40:25
Does the proposed PD really fit the purpose of the code? Does it propose? 01:40:28
PD truly served the neighborhood. Or does it benefit mostly? 01:40:31
Applicant the code says PD must be better for the community. 01:40:35
Than standard. 01:40:39
We hope the Commission will look carefully at access setbacks, building placement, driveway placement, tree preservation. 01:40:41
And at a minimum, we respectfully ask you to postpone the final decision. 01:40:48
Until construction plans. 01:40:51
Are submitted. 01:40:53
As John mentioned. 01:40:54
Jonathan mentioned to us. 01:40:55
No construction has been proposed. It's difficult to analyze how the code will apply to something. 01:40:57
That has not been proposed yet. 01:41:03
Thank you very much for your time. 01:41:05
Thank you. 01:41:06
That's gonna say I'm hearing a lot of people. 01:41:20
So I would like. 01:41:25
Dave Nellenbach in 4954 but. 01:41:27
I would like to say for the record that that history from. 01:41:30
Gene was awesome. 01:41:33
Thank you so much. 01:41:35
Umm, I have a question. 01:41:40
There is a. 01:41:42
It's different from this one that was put up first. 01:41:43
When we started this part of the meeting that. 01:41:46
I don't know that I've seen. 01:41:48
I think it's the civil plans. 01:41:50
John in the. 01:41:53
Can you put that up again? 01:41:55
Yeah, it looks like this. 01:41:57
Yeah. 01:42:03
Yeah, so where? 01:42:06
Where is this in the packet? I just haven't seen it yet and. 01:42:08
I wanted to, I wanted to understand that. 01:42:13
Do you want me to? 01:42:18
Respond or we we're just taking comment at this time. 01:42:20
So continue. Yeah, if you want to just go ahead and move forward with comments and then I can ask Kerry to clarify. 01:42:24
Well, I can't make a comment until I understand. 01:42:30
So what's the question? 01:42:34
My question is, I haven't seen this graphic before and I want to understand. 01:42:36
What's going on in this graphic? 01:42:40
And so can I have can I please have a copy of it so I can look at it and understand it? 01:42:42
It is on the website. It's posted as the addendum. 01:42:47
I believe that when I came in the other day, I pulled that up. 01:42:51
And shot that or. 01:42:55
So the one that's in the packet. 01:42:57
Is had some red lines on it, some clouded areas that showed. 01:43:00
This is how the. 01:43:05
Fire access is. 01:43:06
Being modified. 01:43:08
And crossed out the Y that was previously on those. 01:43:09
On the civil side. 01:43:13
So this is the updated civilization. Can you show me where it is? 01:43:15
In that packet, yeah. Can you show me from what I printed out? 01:43:20
What was on the website yesterday? Yes, so. 01:43:23
The addendum was published on Monday, so we can add changes within 24 hours of a meeting. So that's. 01:43:26
On the city's website. 01:43:33
There's the pack. 01:43:35
And then there's the addendum. 01:43:37
The addendum has the additional comments that were received. 01:43:39
And the updated civil set of plans. 01:43:43
That reflects the changes that were highlighted in the packet. 01:43:45
I understood some of what you said, OK. 01:43:50
Alrighty, Dave. So I'm just gonna jump in here real quick. So understanding that that was updated, it's legal and it exists. 01:43:52
Did you have a comment about anything? OK, pull it up again. 01:43:59
Please. 01:44:03
If that's OK. 01:44:04
OK. 01:44:07
Yeah, if you could just. 01:44:10
My comment is I haven't seen it yet. I'd like to understand it. 01:44:12
So we can clarify that. 01:44:22
In the. 01:44:24
I mean, we can. 01:44:26
It's not really inappropriate, Yeah. I mean, we're taking public comments right now, so yeah. 01:44:30
I mean, if you want to make a comment, I'll be happy to entertain a comment. If you just want to get that clarified, then I'll let 01:44:36
you work with city staff. 01:44:39
That fair, Dave? 01:44:42
Give me 6 more seconds. 01:44:44
Starting now. 01:44:46
They fully wrapped up the. 01:44:47
I just asked. 01:44:51
OK. 01:44:55
So you got 60 seconds for public comment and I don't hear any comments made so. 01:44:58
Dave, I'm going to cut you off. 01:45:03
The time for the applicant is after. 01:45:07
The time for the applicant to address questions is after the public hearing is over, so we take all public comments. 01:45:10
And then the applicant has a chance to address public comment. 01:45:16
Is I would appreciate it. 01:45:20
If someone in this room would please explain to me what's going on. 01:45:21
It's this is not a question and answer, it's a comment, right? So this process is. 01:45:28
Just comment. 01:45:32
And then that's that's my comment. The answers come. 01:45:33
Later. That's my comment. 01:45:37
OK, got it. 01:45:38
Thank you. 01:45:40
Good evening. 01:45:49
I guess you're wondering why I've called you all here tonight. Name and address, please. 01:45:49
Matt Pearson. 01:45:53
2841. 01:45:54
East Broadband Drive. 01:45:56
A little bit of background on me, I'm. 01:45:59
The other neighbor to the South end. 01:46:02
Of the PUD, The Pearsons. 01:46:05
Also neighbors to Cindy. 01:46:08
Full Disclos. 01:46:13
Part of this is Jeans fault. We're all here. I'm probably the other half of the reason. 01:46:15
That we're all here. 01:46:19
In December, Jean and I were. 01:46:21
Negotiating with her attorneys for the sale of this South. 01:46:24
The South parcel. 01:46:27
And I came in, it was initially. 01:46:29
You know when they. 01:46:32
Drawn it up as a. 01:46:33
65 feet. 01:46:34
Came and spoke with someone with the. 01:46:35
Planning Office. 01:46:38
Find out. OK, well, I want to build a house here in 65 feet and they're like, yeah, no, it's unbuiltable. 01:46:41
So that's kind of what started this whole bottle rolling. 01:46:47
You know I. 01:46:50
We have to redesign it at a. 01:46:52
About 8 feet. 01:46:54
So I could just do it under the code. 01:46:56
And then subsequently like. 01:46:59
I'm not in the negotiations with Gene for this lot. 01:47:02
Currently so that stop. 01:47:05
I'm a big fan of first principles thinking, and I'm also a big fan. 01:47:07
Of the most elegant. 01:47:12
Simplest solution is usually the best. 01:47:13
Looking at what we've got. 01:47:17
I feel like everything's a lot simpler and easier. 01:47:18
If we do an 80 foot long, it solves a lot of Cindy's concerns. 01:47:22
It solves. 01:47:26
Umm, you know, another issue. And again. 01:47:28
Trying not to when you go last, you know, try not to. 01:47:31
Rehash what's been said. So I'm really trying not to that I don't know if you guys. 01:47:35
I submitted. I don't know if you saw this picture but. 01:47:40
The 60 foot lot. 01:47:43
With is in my opinion. 01:47:45
Not in keeping with what's going on on. 01:47:48
Sleepy Hollow, Florabunda and. 01:47:52
Old calling. 01:47:54
It's narrow than all the lots would be about 42% as wide as the average lot width. 01:47:56
On the private road that it's on. 01:48:02
52% as wide as the average score on the height subdivision walk, which is about. 01:48:05
124 feet. 01:48:09
That's the about 19%. 01:48:11
Less wide than. 01:48:15
Than any of the other lots kind of on these. 01:48:17
3 streets circles on the east side of Wander. Now there is one house. 01:48:22
On the West side of Wander, going South, I don't know if he has it, driven by it. There's a little. 01:48:27
Peanut gingerbread house that's on a lot that's about. 01:48:31
50 or some feet wide. 01:48:34
That goes back. 01:48:37
Here. So there's there's that one kind of outlier. 01:48:38
The hard part you get with. 01:48:41
Or 65 foot lot is. 01:48:44
You know, building upon what, Cindy, you know. 01:48:47
Said is by the time you try to deal with. 01:48:50
Not killing. 01:48:53
The trees. 01:48:54
I don't even know if a 10 foot set back ensures that the trees. 01:48:56
Live. But you know, and maybe as a part of that, there might be something where there was like a bond in place. 01:48:59
That's a 5 or 6 year bond. 01:49:05
You know, because replacing a 30 foot tree is. 01:49:08
I'm trying to be disrespectful but wrap it up. 01:49:11
I think I'm only a minute and 1/2. 01:49:13
But anyway, so. 01:49:15
So there's a couple of things that. 01:49:17
You know, everyone has already said. 01:49:19
I feel like. 01:49:21
The the biggest deal is. 01:49:23
These lots could be done. One's 80. 01:49:25
One ends up being another, and they're totally buildable. 01:49:28
You can draw a. 01:49:31
And drop the circle. 01:49:32
Inside them it gets done. 01:49:35
You don't have to worry about this fire access. 01:49:37
I think a lot of the neighbors would be a lot more. 01:49:40
Interested in playing ball? 01:49:42
Doing that so. 01:49:45
That would be my comment is you know. 01:49:49
Why do APUD? 01:49:51
The underlying zoning works and. 01:49:53
I think that'd be a good thing for, you know. 01:49:55
The applicants just to say well. 01:49:57
OK, what's the big deal over the 15 feet? 01:49:59
Make your make your clock. 01:50:01
15 feet. 01:50:03
Less wide on the North law. 01:50:04
And since everyone owns the adjoining lots to the north. 01:50:06
And if you need a bigger. 01:50:10
Building envelope you can push. 01:50:12
Push those two. 01:50:13
Do a lot more in adjustment on both those two properties so. 01:50:14
That would be it. Thank you. Thank you very much for your comment. Appreciate it. 01:50:17
Hi, my name is Paul Rain. 01:50:27
I live at 2830. 01:50:30
He steak the hollow drive. 01:50:33
I'm the son-in-law of Gene Hinckley, the father of Christian. 01:50:35
The grandfather of our Christian these four wonderful grandkids so. 01:50:39
I just find out why we're here. 01:50:43
Because Matt wants a. 01:50:45
80 with white white. 01:50:46
On the southern part of genes property. 01:50:48
Kind of kidding. 01:50:52
Kind of not. 01:50:52
A small sheet written out here of things I wanted to say. 01:50:55
But there's been so much said tonight that I'm going to. 01:50:58
I know my son and Dee will address some of these things. 01:51:01
People seem to be concerned about the TUD. 01:51:05
You know, I believe that was something that the city came up with, with Christian as. 01:51:09
The right solution? 01:51:14
For what we're doing here. 01:51:15
You know, I understand people's concern about the. 01:51:17
The beauty, the views, the privacy. 01:51:20
They can think Gene Hinckley for that, You know, she talked about how important that land has been to her. 01:51:23
She spent. 01:51:28
Hundreds of thousands of dollars. 01:51:30
In property tax. 01:51:32
And maintenance. 01:51:33
To make this land beautiful. 01:51:35
For all these neighbors. 01:51:37
Who now, right? 01:51:38
Don't want? 01:51:40
Her grandchild. 01:51:42
To go through with the PUD. 01:51:43
That was suggested. 01:51:46
By the city. 01:51:47
Really, what I just wanted to do was say thank you very much to the Planning Commission. 01:51:51
The city planners. The city of holiday. 01:51:56
For working through this process. 01:51:58
I think that you have found Christianity. 01:52:01
To be very good to work with. 01:52:04
Think they've met every requirement? 01:52:06
That you've asked of them. 01:52:08
The city of Hawaii is a wonderful place to live. 01:52:11
My wife grew up here. 01:52:14
My son and and his wife. 01:52:17
Who want to raise their family here? 01:52:19
And I would also suggest that the city holiday is very wise in their planning. 01:52:21
And in their lot planning and their PUD. 01:52:26
And as long as Christian India meeting. 01:52:30
Every single. 01:52:32
Element of those puds. 01:52:35
I would ask. 01:52:37
That today and tonight. 01:52:38
After this being that you approve. 01:52:41
Their application. 01:52:43
You know, we heard a lot tonight about the size of the locks in holiday especially. 01:52:44
You know, on floor abundant and old colony and somebody mentioned city. 01:52:49
If you look at the top of Sleepy Hollow. 01:52:53
You'll see that. 01:52:56
Bill Watts on this projected PUD. 01:52:58
Are bigger than most of those lots that went up at the top of sleep. 01:53:02
So I'm not going to take more than 3 minutes. 01:53:06
Thank you very much for your time and your effort and your work on this project. 01:53:09
Thank you. 01:53:13
Hello, I'm Amy Dellenbaugh, 4915 S. 01:53:23
And also the vacant lot. 01:53:26
That has the right of way access. 01:53:27
I just wanted to comment. We've lived in our home for over 20 years. 01:53:29
And the neighbors of teenage I wanted to publicly thank Jean. 01:53:34
For preserving her beautiful land. And she could have sold it. 01:53:38
Anytime in the past 20 years and. 01:53:43
I am happy to see it go to her grandchildren and I know that they will. 01:53:47
Keep the same stewardship that. 01:53:53
That gene has and. 01:53:56
So I just wanted to thank team publicly and. 01:53:58
We like the rings, and we are. 01:54:02
Happy to be neighbors with continuing gene. 01:54:05
Family and. 01:54:08
Just along with the rest of the neighbors hope. 01:54:09
To see the same. 01:54:13
Beauty and care of the land to continue. 01:54:16
Thank you. 01:54:20
Thank you. 01:54:21
Hi, I'm Angie Pearson, grew up here. 01:54:29
02841. 01:54:32
East Lorraine, Uh. 01:54:33
We back the holiday. 01:54:35
South Side. 01:54:37
And share that South side with Cindy. 01:54:38
Umm, I was born and raised in Holiday. 01:54:41
And above. 01:54:43
For. 01:54:45
The one of the. 01:54:47
Highlights of Florida was that it was 1/2 acre. 01:54:49
Each land, each property. 01:54:52
How to preserve the half acre and we just took to that and we're so grateful. 01:54:54
To have that space for our kids to grow up and run around. 01:54:59
My concern is when I see a house being built. 01:55:03
They take a huge parameter of that land to dig the foundation. 01:55:06
And to me, there's no way that those trees are going to be preserved against our fence line. 01:55:09
As they dig for that house, especially with eight feet. 01:55:14
Those trees will come down as a consequence of digging that big hole. 01:55:18
To build a house. 01:55:22
We are grateful for the. 01:55:24
The green wall that we've enjoyed from Gene for years. 01:55:25
And I know a lot of people appreciate that beauty. 01:55:29
And we would love to preserve it, love to preserve each of the locks to be the same size. 01:55:32
As for Glenda as it goes into that? 01:55:37
Private Lane, thank you for your time. 01:55:39
Thank you. 01:55:42
All right. I think we might have gotten through everyone in the room, but were there any other comments at this time? 01:55:47
All right. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing and we'll invite the applicant up. 01:55:53
If they would like to address. 01:55:58
Many of the points that were made. 01:56:00
Through public comment. 01:56:02
I just I would like to address. 01:56:09
The access in this picture real quick. 01:56:12
I got notified about to get an engineer plan. 01:56:16
Recently SO. 01:56:20
I was just working back. 01:56:22
And forth between my engineer and being pulled off to get this done within. 01:56:23
Less than four days. 01:56:28
So I proposed that. 01:56:32
And I oh, sorry. 01:56:34
I proposed and I told. 01:56:35
Somehow the street will be pushed all the way. 01:56:36
And his suggestion he understand. 01:56:40
And, umm. 01:56:42
To for that explanation, he left it as is for now, because. 01:56:46
How the road is starting. 01:56:50
We would have to turn which? 01:56:52
It's working at. 01:56:55
That would work fine as well. 01:56:57
But umm. 01:56:59
There is a I can't remember if it was sewer line. 01:57:00
Or pipeline that goes straight right between the three. 01:57:05
So he was suggesting to talk. 01:57:09
With our neighbor later on. 01:57:11
Umm, for the later process. 01:57:13
That if I'm. 01:57:16
Believing that that will. 01:57:18
Create the easier access for those utility. 01:57:20
But uh. 01:57:23
For purpose because I. 01:57:25
I understand we want to push it all to the property line. 01:57:29
And that's what. 01:57:32
And that's fine with us and. 01:57:33
We're planning on. 01:57:35
If it posted or properly aligned, that's how everything was approved. 01:57:37
And this is if it would have extended out, we would need a little bit of that turn. 01:57:41
And that's why it's showing in here, but it's not. 01:57:46
Yeah, I can just add to that. So essentially what? 01:57:49
This is showing that. 01:57:52
Existing. 01:57:53
Road. It's where the road is currently. 01:57:55
Not because it's not within the PUD as to where that road. 01:57:58
Would be located outside of their property line. 01:58:02
It's showing it where it is currently. 01:58:05
And that. 01:58:08
Then working with the neighbor whose property that road is on. Then that. 01:58:10
Could shift that location of that road over. 01:58:14
But as is where the road is currently. 01:58:17
The fire access. 01:58:20
Works there and. 01:58:22
As that. 01:58:24
Would shift over if the road moves over. Fire access would still be shifted with that as well. 01:58:25
OK, so that's the explanation of the civil engineering drawing that there was a question on during public it is. 01:58:32
What is? 01:58:37
Existing conditions. 01:58:38
Thank you for clarifying. 01:58:41
Thank you. 01:58:42
I know there are a lot of comments on that southern lot being more. 01:58:45
Narrow, uh. 01:58:49
And if the. 01:58:50
The width was changed to 80 feet. The setbacks would be the same. 01:58:51
As currently. 01:58:54
Constituted with this drawing. 01:58:56
And the TUD does allow us. 01:58:59
To move the. 01:59:01
Build a bowl. 01:59:04
Space forward to preserve trees as well. 01:59:06
If it was 80 foot it had to be in certain. 01:59:09
Parameter which? 01:59:11
Would remove more trees than. 01:59:14
What we currently have outlined in. 01:59:15
Of Joanna Address. 01:59:23
And I. 01:59:26
We understand to create that privacy on the sovereign law. 01:59:28
We would try to preserve, but as we mentioned. 01:59:31
As I mentioned earlier. 01:59:35
If things need to be reworked during the construction, we plan on replanting it back. 01:59:36
To create that same privacy or more privacy between the back. 01:59:42
We aware of that and we try not to get close. 01:59:45
But the tree. 01:59:48
Up around the shut. 01:59:50
That area, you can kind of see it a little bit. 01:59:53
It's it's. 01:59:55
How? How big is that Maybe? 01:59:58
13 it more like a pine tree. It's not. 02:00:01
The mission tree in that corner. 02:00:04
And. 02:00:06
I think. Was there anything else? 02:00:09
Oh, and we did work with our lawyer. 02:00:11
I think for there were certain. 02:00:14
Document that mentioned that we were part of Florida. 02:00:17
Dry subdivision, but we. 02:00:20
I'm not part of stuff, but. 02:00:23
Or when that drive subdivision. 02:00:25
We didn't look into that and. 02:00:27
Just want to make that clear again. 02:00:30
I think we mentioned. 02:00:32
In closing, like like my grandma said, the family. 02:00:33
Has owned the land for 90 years and. 02:00:36
We'll do everything we can to. 02:00:38
And this PUD does allow for additional green space. 02:00:41
Preservation trees setbacks are. 02:00:44
Similar as Kerry mentioned earlier and wants to preserve the beauty of. 02:00:47
Holiday with. 02:00:52
These plans and this proposal. 02:00:54
Appreciate that and. 02:00:56
Don't run away just yet. I have a couple of quick questions for you. 02:00:58
So we. 02:01:01
Briefly talked about the 10 foot average. 02:01:02
Where you could go up to that 8 foot but then also bring back, is there any concerns with that being a 10 foot average versus 8 02:01:06
foot hardliner? 02:01:11
Is an 8 foot hard line. 02:01:16
Yeah, so South side, but your average still has to. 02:01:18
Feet 10 feet. 02:01:23
So you might have some parts of a structure, but. 02:01:24
Go up to that 8 foot line. 02:01:27
If you have parts of your structures that go up to 8 feet. 02:01:29
Then you might have some that are set back at like 12. 02:01:33
So that you're meeting at 10 foot average. 02:01:36
So any concerns on that if it helps preserve that tree canopy and sustains green space along that? 02:01:39
Concerning for. 02:01:46
The public comment we've heard on that South property line? 02:01:48
Yeah, no concerns. 02:01:51
OK. 02:01:52
All right, Commissioners, other questions. 02:01:55
So just to clarify. 02:02:04
That I think that was my understanding too is if that what's required in the R110. 02:02:06
Zone is. 02:02:11
Sorry. 02:02:13
20 feet. 02:02:16
From the right of way line. 02:02:18
And you're proposing 1020 feet from the center line. 02:02:20
What's required is 22 feet. 02:02:25
For a rear set back and this is proposing 55, right, That's what the. 02:02:28
The table in here says. 02:02:32
Right, OK. 02:02:34
Yeah, my other question was so someone had mentioned a part. 02:02:36
Pocket Park? So I guess I didn't understand when you said these are common areas. 02:02:39
You mean common to the neighborhood? They're going to be accessible to other people who come into the PUD. 02:02:44
Coming to the PD, got it so. 02:02:49
So anyone who lives in any of these structures would be able to access those, but it's not a neighborhood. 02:02:51
Got it. Thank you. 02:02:56
And along those lines, there wouldn't be fencing that would prohibit access to those common areas from these two rods to the 02:02:59
South. 02:03:02
No, Umm. 02:03:05
It would. It would exist as it looks. 02:03:06
Today. Umm. 02:03:08
Thank you. 02:03:10
I have a question. 02:03:11
It's obvious that. 02:03:13
The neighbors are really concerned. 02:03:15
About privacy. 02:03:17
And I have to assume. 02:03:19
That you are also concerned about preserving. 02:03:21
The character. 02:03:24
And the integrity of the. 02:03:26
The neighborhood as you see it. 02:03:29
So what can you say? 02:03:31
Tonight. 02:03:34
To assure your neighbors that. 02:03:36
You know this tree canopy and their privacy and the. 02:03:38
The character of the neighborhood that they enjoy now is going to be. 02:03:42
Preserved. I think it would. 02:03:47
I think this is an opportunity for you to say something. 02:03:49
So that they don't leave here, assuming that we. 02:03:54
That we approve this so that they don't leave here thinking that. 02:03:57
They're going to have MC Mansions built in their neighborhood and the whole character of the place is going to be destroyed. 02:04:01
Yeah. I think that that's evident in the in the research we've done leading up to this where we talked about the canopy space. 02:04:08
It's evident in. 02:04:14
Carrying on the history. 02:04:16
The family history of the lots and preserving the green space. And we want to live. 02:04:17
I lived in my grandma's house for three years growing up and enjoyed that. 02:04:22
The community and the privacy as well, so we'll do everything in our power to. 02:04:26
To do that. 02:04:30
And I think regardless of. 02:04:31
A PUD or. 02:04:34
Development. 02:04:36
Current zoning. 02:04:38
This land is. 02:04:40
Going uh. 02:04:41
To be developed. 02:04:42
Either way, and then if you. 02:04:44
We firmly believe. 02:04:46
Does allow for additional? 02:04:47
Flexibility. 02:04:49
To preserve. 02:04:50
Trees and green space. 02:04:51
All right. Any other questions for the applicant? 02:04:55
All right. Well, I think we've we've grilled this. So go ahead and have a seat. Appreciate it. And then commissioners? 02:05:00
Questions for city staff or discussion amongst each other. 02:05:06
I've got a question. I just want to clarify something that we talked about in the work meeting. 02:05:11
That from what I understand. 02:05:15
When we look at. 02:05:20
The zoning for an R110. 02:05:22
When we talk about setbacks. 02:05:25
And building heights and graduated building heights and all of that. 02:05:27
What they are proposing? 02:05:33
In their. 02:05:35
Is the same. 02:05:37
With the exception. 02:05:38
Of the accessory. 02:05:40
Building 4 foot. 02:05:44
Back in. 02:05:46
Corner. 02:05:47
Is that correct? 02:05:48
So on a 10,000 square foot lot up to. 02:05:49
14,000. 02:05:53
400 or 14,600. 02:05:56
Has a Sorry. 02:06:00
I should have gotten that drink of water 4 foot accessory building set back. 02:06:03
So that is the same. 02:06:10
That is the same. 02:06:11
So and an 80 foot wide. 02:06:13
At 10% minimum on the side is an 8 foot set back. 02:06:16
The existing lot line that's between Gene's existing house and the Rennie's house. 02:06:21
Without any sort of. 02:06:29
Review besides staff reviews like they could create a 10,000 square foot lot. 02:06:31
There and have that set back. 02:06:36
So while while it is currently existing larger. 02:06:38
They just have to move a lot wine and they have a smaller one they could. 02:06:44
Thank you. 02:06:49
All right, so I just want to touch real quick on this for the. 02:06:51
The audience of the public we have here. 02:06:58
I'm a staunch tree supporter and I love my trees and I love holiday. Let me just put that out there. And if you join me in that, I 02:07:00
encourage you to check out our Holiday City Tree Committee. 02:07:05
Go to their meetings, plant lots of trees in your garden. Force the crap out of this place because it's what makes holiday great. 02:07:11
That said. 02:07:17
Legal property rights. And you know what's the greater? 02:07:18
Future 50. 02:07:23
To 100 year big picture of things when we look at the fact we're going to grow. 02:07:24
As a community. 02:07:29
His people of living here. 02:07:30
We have to weigh out what is the short term paying for the long term gain. 02:07:33
So when I look at a private Urban Development. 02:07:37
That's been proposed tonight and I see. 02:07:41
A pretty healthy amount of open space in an R110 zone. 02:07:43
Just to be clear, it would be absurd for someone to do it, but if someone bought these four properties, bulldozed everything to 02:07:48
the ground, and then put a driveway down the middle and made a cul-de-sac, you could have six homes and no trees in there. 02:07:53
Right. So just. 02:07:59
By virtue of the zone that it's in. 02:08:01
So I feel like a private Urban Development scenario where we're preserving that open space and it sounds like. 02:08:04
You guys are all going to go home and be good neighbors to each other anyway. You all get along. You all know Gene for years. 02:08:10
Sounds to me like you probably, you know again, might be some short term pain, might be some building and growth pains with this 02:08:16
process. 02:08:20
But it also sounds like there's a decent amount of what's going to be preserved and makes. 02:08:24
You're part of the community great there. 02:08:29
Is it going to all be preserved or some of you going to have changing, you know? 02:08:31
Visibility of what you see when you lookout window possibly. 02:08:35
Right. But you can also work with your neighbors together to work through those short term pains, so. 02:08:39
Just want to throw that two cents out there and plug the Holiday City Tree Committee. 02:08:45
So with that being said, Commissioners, other thoughts or discussion around this? 02:08:49
It's a little potential. 02:08:58
So I don't know, announce the moment. 02:08:59
What's that? 02:09:01
It's a little tangential setting off. Now is the moment. 02:09:02
But I would just. 02:09:04
I would I would like to. 02:09:05
Assert the integrity of. 02:09:07
Staff and say that the same code that protects each of us is applied equal. 02:09:11
And I don't think that. 02:09:16
The idea that staff working through to find a solution for a homeowner. 02:09:18
Is the same as. 02:09:22
Bending the law. 02:09:25
Which I feel like was. 02:09:26
We're working against, yeah. 02:09:28
I agree. Thank you. 02:09:30
And then, Brad, you jumped at your microphone a couple times, Did I? Did I make a misstep anywhere in there? 02:09:32
No, I think. 02:09:37
I want to just make sure it's clear comments made. 02:09:39
Again, kind of along what Angela's saying about. 02:09:42
The city staff being an advocate for development. 02:09:45
Or for a applicant and I, I. 02:09:48
I don't think that's accurate, I don't think that's true, and it never has been. 02:09:50
The city staff helps with processing applications. 02:09:54
And whether it was? 02:09:58
You know, Mr. Hanson or the Hinckley's or anybody else, we have processed that in exactly the same way. 02:10:00
You know the city is here to. 02:10:06
You know one of the main functions of a city is to. 02:10:09
Create land use ordinances that are in place. 02:10:11
So that when development occurs, it occurs in an orderly way. 02:10:14
Preserves property rights and attempts to. 02:10:18
Umm, you know, mitigate the potential impacts, but doesn't eliminate. 02:10:22
It was never meant to. 02:10:26
And it doesn't because. 02:10:28
You know, you look around most homes. 02:10:30
In holiday, in fact, I would say all homes in holiday. 02:10:32
Have come through a subdivision process. It may not have been yesterday, it may not have been tomorrow. 02:10:35
But all of them have come through a subdivision process at some point, whether it was the county, whether it was the city. 02:10:41
So it's not a question of. 02:10:46
Is the city advocating on behalf of? 02:10:50
One particular applicant. 02:10:52
The other thing that I wanted to point out is that. 02:10:55
There was a question or a request to do a legal research on this. 02:10:58
And make sure that. 02:11:02
One particular. 02:11:04
Property owners easement is going to remain in force. 02:11:06
So, uh. 02:11:09
That's a fairly simple. 02:11:10
Question to answer. The city does not. 02:11:11
Take into consideration private easements. 02:11:13
Cities job is not to enforce or respect or. 02:11:16
Manage private easements if there's an issue with an easement. 02:11:20
And the applicant wants to. 02:11:23
Avoid the issues with that easement, which it appears they've done so here. 02:11:25
That's the applicants choice if they're able to meet all the requirements of city code. 02:11:29
Our job as staff is to make sure that city code is complied with. 02:11:34
It's not. 02:11:38
Pick and choose. 02:11:40
You know who we advocate for? If we don't advocate for, we don't advocate. 02:11:41
We are experts in. 02:11:45
The city code. 02:11:48
But. 02:11:49
Because of that, we. 02:11:50
Provide options, but we're not. 02:11:52
Advocating for one thing, I mean. 02:11:53
The Planning Commission and the other thing, a conditional use permit. I want to make sure this is clear. 02:11:55
To everyone here, conditional use. 02:12:01
Permits are not. 02:12:04
The whether or not you approve them is not conditional. 02:12:05
If that makes sense. Conditional use permits are. 02:12:09
You go through this process and if there are. 02:12:12
Reasonably anticipated. 02:12:15
Detrimental effects. 02:12:17
And you know the acronym for that is RAIDS RADE. 02:12:19
If there are rates that are identified through the planning process. 02:12:22
The Planning Commission. 02:12:26
Has the opportunity to impose. 02:12:28
Reasonable mitigating. 02:12:30
Conditions. Umm. 02:12:32
To address those specifically identified. 02:12:33
Reasonably anticipated detrimental effects. 02:12:37
That's the extent that the city has within the law, and that's Utah State code. 02:12:40
That the city has to. 02:12:45
Restrict, but it's not. It's a restriction. 02:12:48
To reduce them. 02:12:52
Reduce is the key. 02:12:53
Reduce the impacts, not eliminate the. 02:12:55
Them so. 02:12:57
During any construction process, there's going to be dust. 02:12:58
There's gonna be. 02:13:01
Trucks coming in traffic, there's going to be trades showing up. 02:13:02
They're going to be parking, they're going to be doing all of their work, all of that. 02:13:05
Just comes with. 02:13:08
Development with construction. 02:13:09
But those aren't raids that you address. The raids are the long term. 02:13:11
Permanent kind of impacts. 02:13:15
Typically. 02:13:17
What those would be in a situation like this? 02:13:18
Would be fencing. 02:13:21
For to maintain privacy. 02:13:22
Sometimes the Planning Commission has imposed. 02:13:24
Color fences. 02:13:27
Sometimes it's additional trees. 02:13:29
Are imposed requirements to impose. 02:13:31
To plant more trees than they take out. 02:13:34
Obviously, our tree ordinance. 02:13:36
As a 1 to 1. 02:13:38
Replacement ratio. 02:13:39
And that's not every city has that, by the way. 02:13:40
So Holiday does take that very seriously. 02:13:44
But uh. 02:13:47
I just want to make sure that the process of. 02:13:48
People have certain property rights that they have when they own property. 02:13:50
And oftentimes when you have. 02:13:54
Notices that come out and there's development that's happening next to you. 02:13:57
You get a notice that says hey, there's. 02:14:01
You know an application for land use change has been. 02:14:03
Has been filed. 02:14:05
And what that? 02:14:07
Typically does is people believe. 02:14:07
You know, because. 02:14:09
It doesn't happen very often. 02:14:11
That if the city gave them notice, it means. 02:14:13
That if everybody gangs up and they can prevent the development. 02:14:15
And I want to make it clear that that's not the case. This isn't a vote saying I get to vote on. 02:14:19
Whether my neighbor gets to develop their property or not. 02:14:24
No, this is we want the public involved in the process. 02:14:27
We want the public to engage with the Planning Commission. 02:14:30
But it's not, at the end of the day, the Planning Commission. 02:14:34
Doesn't have this huge operating. 02:14:37
Window to say you can't do that. 02:14:39
They have a very narrow box that says. 02:14:41
Yes, we you can do this but. 02:14:44
You have to plant more trees, you have to put a fence up you have to deal with. 02:14:46
You know these challenges, and nobody likes change. 02:14:50
Right, I love trees too. I had my neighbor had to cut down 3 trees or a house. 02:14:53
Last week. 02:14:57
Huge impact in my house. 02:14:59
But they were on her property and one of them was falling over into my house. 02:15:01
So having removed that one, I'm grateful for that one, but the other two she chose because the previous homeowner planted them too 02:15:04
close together. 02:15:07
And they weren't healthy. 02:15:10
So. 02:15:11
You know, I didn't like that. 02:15:12
I would have print. 02:15:15
Preferred that she kept that. 02:15:16
But my point being is that. 02:15:17
The Planning Commission has. 02:15:19
A fairly narrow window in what they're able to. 02:15:21
To maneuver in here. 02:15:24
And is limited to. 02:15:26
Not approving or denying. It's limited to. 02:15:27
Approving with what conditions? 02:15:30
A long time ago. 02:15:33
This is superfluous, but a long time ago. 02:15:34
Conditional use permits. 02:15:37
We're just that conditional and you. 02:15:39
Planning Commission or the City Council didn't have to grant them. 02:15:41
The law has changed on that. 02:15:44
Our legislature is very pro development, very pro developer. 02:15:46
And. 02:15:49
Recognizing. 02:15:51
That we have. 02:15:53
Housing constraints and we are locked with mountains on either side. 02:15:55
So. 02:15:58
Infill is really the only option. 02:15:59
So. 02:16:01
I know that never believes that, but that's. 02:16:02
That's kind of the situation. I just want everybody understand that. 02:16:04
The Planning Commission does not have a lot of leeway. 02:16:07
On whether they approve this or not. 02:16:10
They have there's requirements they have to go through. 02:16:11
And if the Planning Commission there wasn't decided, additional. 02:16:14
Mitigating factors. 02:16:18
Should be imposed. 02:16:19
Then they have the ability to do those within. 02:16:20
Reasonable limits. 02:16:23
Thank you very much for clarifying. 02:16:26
Done. And one more thing that I'd like to. 02:16:29
And it's just as a point of clarification, looking at this document. Oh. 02:16:31
That's no longer on the screen. I'm sorry. 02:16:34
How that happened? 02:16:38
There we go. 02:16:39
Just to clarify as you review. 02:16:42
The what would be designated as the building area in the common area. 02:16:45
Common area is the term used for ownership. 02:16:49
So if you're looking at preservation of the of the space. 02:16:52
That common area and preservation should be. 02:16:56
Put together. 02:16:59
When you look at emotion. 02:17:00
So if anything that's in common in this area should also be looked at as. 02:17:02
As a tree can be preservation area. 02:17:07
That would be limited to how much and how. 02:17:10
Removal of canopy could take place there. 02:17:12
Common just use is used on the plat to determine to denote. 02:17:15
Held, that space is owned and maintained by the CCR. 02:17:19
Additionally, the lot that's in the top left. 02:17:23
Is missing some. 02:17:27
Denotations may be requested from the output. What that is? 02:17:29
At staff level if. 02:17:34
You know in 30 years when that house gets. 02:17:36
Redeveloped potentially or added to. 02:17:39
We'll be looking at this platform direction and there's not much direction there. 02:17:41
Unless it's the building pad and whatever else is common. 02:17:45
Which is should be. 02:17:48
Replaced with the white. 02:17:50
Just I'm not. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe just. 02:17:53
Ask And is that something we would need before we could make any kind of motion deniers when you look at? 02:17:55
Because you already did. You're you're establishing. 02:18:02
The building paths for each lot and what's shown is common. I think it needs to be clarified. 02:18:04
Especially if you're going to use that when you get into the next step for the subdivision. 02:18:09
So then with that understanding that that would be. 02:18:14
Obviously something we need in there and it's not in front of us tonight. 02:18:17
Would we want to continue this or you can use it as a condition of approval or whatever motion you derive that is to extend that 02:18:21
common area to include the rest of. 02:18:25
A lot in that north. 02:18:30
That northeast lot, if that makes sense. OK. 02:18:32
That's the intent. I'm not sure what the applicants intent is for there, but. 02:18:35
It seems there's some information missing. 02:18:39
Makes sense? 02:18:42
Thank you. Appreciate that. 02:18:44
Commissioners and. 02:18:46
Well, it sounds to me like we need clarification on that particular item. 02:18:48
Or we can go in. 02:18:51
And with that, can we ask the applicant to come back up and just give a quick input? Is this supposed to be? 02:18:53
Is the white area around lot? 02:18:59
Whatever it was, this existing house. 02:19:02
Is that? 02:19:04
Supposed to be part of your. 02:19:05
Preserved open area. 02:19:07
Yes. 02:19:13
OK, umm. 02:19:14
OK. So in any motions made, we need to make sure that we call out. 02:19:19
The building lots and that all the open. 02:19:25
Green and white delineated areas in this. 02:19:29
Civil drawing bar. 02:19:32
Preserved open space. 02:19:34
Right, OK. 02:19:38
I feel like I'm going to end up making a motion on this one. 02:19:40
What I'm interested in. 02:19:48
Covering for a moment of fencing. 02:19:50
We haven't talked about. 02:19:53
Fencing as a mitigation. 02:19:54
Dealing with privacy and things. 02:19:57
Um, what? 02:20:00
What is the requirement for fencing on a PUD? 02:20:03
In terms of height and. 02:20:08
Continuity. 02:20:11
So there's not a requirement for fencing. 02:20:12
Umm, it may be something that the applicant would be interested. 02:20:15
In doing or already planning on doing. 02:20:19
Pretty common in a lot of development is that they want to. 02:20:24
Fencing anyway, so. 02:20:27
The standard fence height is 6 feet. 02:20:30
On property lines. 02:20:34
There is an allowance for a 8 foot property line or sorry. 02:20:35
8 foot high fence. 02:20:41
On private roads. 02:20:42
So adjacent private roads you can have an 8 foot fence. 02:20:43
Other than that, 6 feet. 02:20:48
You can do an 8 foot. 02:20:50
Fence height agreement between. 02:20:52
Neighbors, if you have a signed agreement saying that both parties agree to an 8 foot. 02:20:54
Python, so that is. 02:21:00
You do a whole thing. 02:21:02
And that's just under our standard fencing permit if the neighbors want to do an 8 foot fence. 02:21:04
There would be a fencing permit that records that signature and agreement between those two parties. 02:21:09
And then besides that, fencing permits are required for anything along a street. 02:21:15
What? 02:21:25
I mean, I don't know that. 02:21:26
There would be. 02:21:28
I mean, I didn't get anybody from the public that was like, oh, I hate their yard and I. 02:21:29
You know, I don't want to see any part of it. It would be in the ordinary to. 02:21:34
Required offense or something like that as a condition. 02:21:39
It's nobody's asking for. 02:21:41
Right. Yeah, OK. 02:21:43
Reasonable. I would say offensive, poor substitute for. 02:21:45
Gorgeous, lush trees. 02:21:48
And I and I do trust that. 02:21:50
If folks are going to develop them with them, live in it, they're more. 02:21:52
You know, more motivated than the average developer to. 02:21:57
Preserve what's? 02:22:00
But what are? 02:22:02
I know there. 02:22:04
Sort of best practices. Can we require best practices be used? 02:22:05
In terms of tree preservation. 02:22:10
Or is that already implied? 02:22:12
I think there was that was detailed on the. 02:22:14
Beauty site plan. 02:22:19
That shows. 02:22:21
Tree preservation standards. 02:22:22
Umm, so that that can be detailed on your. 02:22:25
Plant unit development. 02:22:28
Just to clarify, on those tree preservation standards that were included in the application with that ISA standards or is that 02:22:30
some other? 02:22:33
Tree Preservation standard. 02:22:37
I think that was a. 02:22:39
Not Asheville, but another engineering standard. But you can. 02:22:41
To modify that to be included Isaac. 02:22:45
For those unfamiliar, ISA is the International Society of Arborists, and they have a little bit stricter. 02:22:50
Guidelines on helping trees survive construction. 02:22:57
Yeah, which I think would be. 02:23:01
Hopefully if it's you know the intent and a big concern. 02:23:04
Right, OK. 02:23:07
All right, so. 02:23:11
I think we're at a point. 02:23:14
I'm going to give this a world. 02:23:15
Do I have to read all thirteen of these? 02:23:17
Or can I just say one through 13? 02:23:20
You can reference the staff report. Thank you. 02:23:23
All right, sorry. 02:23:26
Commissioner at Sherman Grocery. I would also. 02:23:27
And add in your additional conditions if you are adding to what is in the stack report we discussed the. 02:23:30
Average set back. 02:23:37
On the side, 10 foot average and 8 foot. 02:23:39
Closest point also those the condition to. 02:23:42
Make sure that that green areas encompass all of that. 02:23:46