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Let me get my little baby on the screen. 00:00:02
That's a little. 00:00:15
OK. 00:00:18
Go for it. Before I knew this was just the word meeting. 00:00:22
Conversations. 00:00:26
Once you get value filter. 00:00:28
Show up, but they're not show up. The thing they're getting to the place for. 00:00:31
Before the. 00:00:37
Filled next videos. 00:00:40
That's not recording. Mm-hmm. 00:01:15
OK, I'm going to, Emily's going to be making her way back in, but I can at least get the meeting called, the order so we can start 00:01:18
on time. 00:01:21
On October 23rd, obviously we are. 00:01:25
Just in a work session tonight for the same long items on the agenda. 00:01:29
But before we do, I have to make a couple of comments 1 I don't know if you know, but. 00:01:35
I was just talking to Drew earlier, her daughter Annie. 00:01:41
There's also a manga 3. 00:01:44
Right. 00:01:46
To qualify for. 00:01:48
Iron Man Oh, she's my daughter's hero. 00:01:49
Had finished the rest and. 00:01:54
Which is an amazing accomplishment with us. 00:01:58
Amazing. 00:02:01
So black. 00:02:03
Where does she qualify? 00:02:06
Please send. 00:02:08
That is your course. 00:02:12
And I've been off the yet. How long have I been off the FA? 00:02:15
You know the year. 00:02:18
You know my. 00:02:20
I miss that board a lot. 00:02:23
And we're really thrilled to have Chief Dirt here. Thanks for coming. 00:02:24
You know you're a busy guy. 00:02:29
Probably the. 00:02:31
Are you a holiday racing? 00:02:32
I thought so. 00:02:33
You look like a holiday resident. 00:02:35
They're doing the opposite. It's like everybody's going out to heroin. They're coming. 00:02:43
He came home and of course. 00:02:48
The chiefs, big chiefs now used to be. Remember what? You're just a little liaison to the city of Holiday. I remember where I was 00:02:51
a student in this building. Oh my God. 00:02:56
So yes. 00:03:02
So I guess we'll hear about you when we. 00:03:07
Intervene interface and kind of stun it. 00:03:11
But we're thrilled to have you back to congratulations on your appointments. 00:03:14
And then of course. 00:03:18
Captain Brown, we're bringing the board to you this time. Oh, man. 00:03:20
Well, I guess with that we'll just get right to Captain Browse with the. 00:03:26
Update where we are. 00:03:29
USA, quarterly quarter. 00:03:33
Mayor 1000 for me. 00:03:36
I know about the facility, the whole slide. 00:03:38
The first slide again this is. 00:03:41
Nothing much changes here from quarter to quarter. 00:03:44
You can see the one thing that has been consistent about is Paul has been busier. 00:03:47
One reason or another could be more of an anti population, you know we all know that. 00:03:52
On average. 00:03:57
Gains about what, 1% a year in population? But the calls. 00:03:59
Have been growing up, they just go up and we're getting busier and busier and busier. 00:04:03
And that's a that's not a U of A wide. 00:04:06
But they said just to go along these real quick, you know, it's the same. It's the, you know, you have your top five calls, you 00:04:09
talk EMS calls. 00:04:12
And then emergent couple times, so 90% of the time. 00:04:15
This doesn't count the. 00:04:20
The dispatch processing calls are the one. 00:04:22
When you call 911 it takes. 00:04:25
Right now they're having about 45 seconds. 00:04:27
To dispatch us in a 99 sort of time. 00:04:29
We get there within 8 minutes, which is actually really fast. 00:04:32
It's it's very fast, especially with. 00:04:35
One of four things associated with negated. 00:04:37
And the only other thing I'll do is. 00:04:40
Here you can see the calls in in holiday. 00:04:43
And uh. 00:04:45
Just for the funny piece, and I don't know if it's going to stick this way, but. 00:04:46
These numbers of the other people. 00:04:50
Falls in Holiday are actually down turning down a little bit as of compared to. 00:04:52
So that's a good, good thing for HO. 00:04:57
There any questions on this line? 00:05:00
So this is something, it's actually a couple slides under patent. 00:05:05
But since you an old version which is why it looks weird and this is some slides. 00:05:10
I apologize for that. 00:05:15
But umm. 00:05:16
Historically, the fire department has been. 00:05:18
Reactionary, right? 00:05:20
You call 911. 00:05:22
We go out and help and. 00:05:23
And we fix the problem. 00:05:25
Well, Fire Marshall document that is. That's here he is starting. 00:05:27
It's called the Community Risk Reduction Program. 00:05:30
Where uh. 00:05:33
The people in the fire engines, if you go out and we mitigate the problem. 00:05:35
But. 00:05:38
There can be so much more done as far as prevention and education. 00:05:39
So he's kind of started this. He started this program and he's going to put out a couple programs a year. 00:05:42
And this is the one that he just came out with and. 00:05:47
We probably all heard about this on the news about lithium ion. 00:05:49
Buyers all over the place. 00:05:53
And in fact, you know, just this year. 00:05:54
There was there was one in in terms of many. 00:05:57
Is one of the South Florida made or one Layton in June and one in Logan in September. 00:06:00
And those are attributed to lithium ion fire. 00:06:04
With the Atlantic fires and I'm not going to. 00:06:06
Read you all these slides and stuff. You can kind of go through these slides a little bit. 00:06:09
But. 00:06:13
It's educating the public on best practices for dealing with the My Islands and. 00:06:14
And to prevent fires. 00:06:19
And uh. 00:06:20
Chief Peterson always said this. He said that. 00:06:21
The best bang for your buck and making a difference. 00:06:24
Is prevention of education. 00:06:26
I mean, you can't get around. 00:06:28
Having people on the fire engines and running the calls but preventing an education. 00:06:30
Will will say the most lives in the Bank of the ****. 00:06:34
And so you can keep going through here is something I'm working with me and we're going to. 00:06:37
This was too big to fit on the in the journal. 00:06:42
We're going to make a dense version with a link, and then you can kind of scroll these stuff in. 00:06:45
That kind of shows you all that. 00:06:49
And we're gonna link to this so people can people can look at another round. 00:06:52
I want to get from the USA website. 00:06:55
Sincerely saying that the fire marker Watkins is taking on. 00:06:58
As you can stop right here, does anybody have any questions about that? So the continuous reduction again is? 00:07:02
It's a proactive educational piece. 00:07:06
That that we see hazards that that. 00:07:08
Are starting to pop up. Maybe we can educate people on metadata. 00:07:13
And be proactive about it. 00:07:16
So I don't know. 00:07:18
Chief, do you have any, Do you have any idea? 00:07:19
No, totally fine. So is Captain Brown was talking What She does it so well. I want to have him in fire. 00:07:23
When we multiply different ways, we can. 00:07:31
Proactively in the community, the next one. 00:07:33
You got some good feedback from our UFA board and it's going to be centered around CPR and how to better be that in line with. 00:07:36
Best practices. 00:07:42
So. 00:07:44
Every corner is my goal. It may be less than that. 00:07:45
That was a lot to go initially and then we've got. 00:07:48
I have a date with all the restart. 00:07:51
But this is a great opportunity to look at our communities, all the communities we serve. 00:07:53
And target those areas. 00:07:58
And his board members were listening, the board were listening to your employee base, were listening to all different community 00:08:00
members. 00:08:03
To get a good consensus for what we want to focus on their board and it's a very hot. 00:08:07
Very broad category when we say community was about things. 00:08:12
Extremely broad, so it's. 00:08:16
The great opportunities to engage our communities and serve our communities to make. 00:08:18
Capacity so, so it's not just. 00:08:23
Just by the muscle walk is it? Where is it? 00:08:25
If the city here decided hey. 00:08:28
You want to look at this and maybe we can dissipate on this and mitigate this problem. 00:08:30
We could. We could tailor to each city, yes. 00:08:34
I love with my. That's awesome and especially if it's Catholic. 00:08:37
Digested one by its size many people and I'm just curious is it? 00:08:42
Primarily through journal articles on social media. 00:08:45
So. 00:08:48
The best? 00:08:50
The best way to deliver it to our communities is through our liaison program. 00:08:51
Disperse the correct touch so we create the content gathering information. 00:08:55
Definitely listen to the board, listen to the truth, watch it right. It's within our service areas. 00:09:00
And then we'll target. 00:09:05
Target our communities in that way and then work directly through our liaisons to get that information out. 00:09:06
Social media campaigns or information outreach has done a great job in making lithium ion. 00:09:12
Because the one thing that I want to do too is you basically in simple after action reviews after going on these incidents. I 00:09:17
don't. 00:09:21
Over the special enforcement component, it is an arson investigations. 00:09:25
And we're seeing them. 00:09:29
Where previously, yes, we did the paperwork, we did the documentation, but now we get to listen to that song. Tagging to make this 00:09:31
even if I'm married. 00:09:35
So that's another great opportunity to actually look at those. 00:09:39
Post the incident. 00:09:43
Crossed incident an hour. 00:09:45
Analysis components to be able to see what we want to do with that information, how it can do the prevention side of that stuff. 00:09:46
How are you? 00:09:52
So the last one. 00:09:55
The last one that I'll reference and I'll just give you a brief overview. 00:09:57
Purchased replacement batteries for a DeWalt charger that were not. 00:10:02
From the wall, not in the. I'm a big component in my personal life of focusing on a. 00:10:07
Originally put right, going to go in. 00:10:13
If it was the walls I doubt the fire ever would have happened, but they had the same colors and what placed in their leftover 00:10:16
night. 00:10:19
Fire happened so again. 00:10:23
Relying on the identification component, whether the UL or Ness. 00:10:25
When you read the. 00:10:30
Best practice when I walk out into my where I just see many different ways in my own. 00:10:32
You know, devices. 00:10:36
And I'm pretty comfortable charging those so. 00:10:38
25 non drops and different things. That's for weeks. 00:10:41
A lot of a lot of issues. 00:10:44
And or damage of seeing one of. 00:10:46
Fires from damaged batteries. 00:10:48
It used to be Lipovatter is with like RC cards and stuff like that. We're pretty high risk I think, but that's selling issue and 00:10:50
also our device with the. 00:10:54
Onslaught of the E bikes and think of our strategies right so. 00:10:58
With the E Mart. 00:11:02
Fights too, you can still see the UL tag on there like I. 00:11:03
Reference I've got after my child disease almost 9 bucks scooter out there jumping and hopping smashing the battery. 00:11:06
And I looked, I looked out of my brain. Here, let me look at it in. 00:11:13
There's a UL pad on it, right? So you know that it's been inspected this method. 00:11:16
As well as standard. 00:11:21
And I'm very confident in most products. It's when you start embarking on different stuff, but you do see a lot of fires from 00:11:23
different batteries over the years have seen different things. 00:11:28
Especially as batteries age, right? 00:11:33
So that's that's one thing that will definitely pay attention. 00:11:35
But I'll definitely want to capture that information and then communicate it to our board on what we're seeing. 00:11:39
And what we're doing, and I listen to their direction on night 1 is that. 00:11:45
Crispy stuff sprout. 00:11:50
So to hold on a little bit. 00:11:51
So I'll work with Leah how to distribute this to the city. 00:11:53
And then? 00:11:57
We've always been on battery fires, but. 00:11:58
I think the biggest thing is what he's looking. 00:12:00
If you have battery power before. 00:12:03
You you think maybe grab it and you can. 00:12:05
Put out on the fire station, or you can even have enough time to. 00:12:07
Get out of your house. 00:12:10
With this, with this thermal runway that lithium miles do. 00:12:11
It's really, I mean. 00:12:14
I mean you probably all see videos it's. 00:12:16
They go like crazy. 00:12:18
And it is a problem because I mean, if you look at a Milwaukee DeWalt battery. 00:12:20
You can get one that looks just like on Amazon for portal price. 00:12:24
And so, and that's what anything spirit people's Eastern University products that they make. 00:12:27
Batteries that. 00:12:32
And I'll certify them and. 00:12:33
Some education is the best thing that we can do for it, I think. 00:12:35
Did you all ever go and do presentations like elementary school? 00:12:38
Right after this and going to mill presentation so. 00:12:44
Just didn't know if you did. That's yeah, throw it as a suggestion I think. 00:12:47
The more that there is. 00:12:50
What do they do? I mean, I'm just curious. Like what? 00:12:53
So now if there's a certain way to recycle these, I guess you can't. 00:13:00
Right when you're disposing of it, what do they do with all? 00:13:06
There's got to be. 00:13:09
Building the recycle. 00:13:10
Go back once I go back to the. 00:13:13
The fighter right there, that QR code. 00:13:15
The green shorted 1. 00:13:17
Sorry I missed you. Go for. 00:13:19
I got. 00:13:22
Forward, forward. Sorry. 00:13:24
Or not present. Sorry. 00:13:27
So there's the. 00:13:29
Recycling website right there. You QR code that and will go directly to it. 00:13:30
And it takes you through all the different locations where you can recycle your products. And there's specific some, some places 00:13:35
take cell phones, some places take different devices. 00:13:39
Some take everything. 00:13:44
Products that we say. 00:13:48
And that's a big component on how to do that. 00:13:50
Right, not a great idea. 00:13:54
Recently there was. 00:13:56
A crash fire. 00:13:58
Related to. 00:14:00
Content within it. 00:14:01
Within a truck. 00:14:03
I don't know the final findings, but my assumption was all because there's some sort of battery will never compact in it so. 00:14:05
And that's an assumption on my side without seeing an investigation report. 00:14:12
But those of the thoughts come on, so recycling it a lot of imposition beyond. 00:14:16
So you fixing the press. 00:14:20
This is the next one. 00:14:28
This is this is a new unit. 00:14:31
And councilmember father and remember. 00:14:33
This is not a cheaper check for when you get over the board. 00:14:36
You specifically asked about. 00:14:38
I do not like this. So now it's it's finally it's finally into account. So this is. 00:14:41
Called the lower acute unit 101. So generally. 00:14:46
Before the scan of service if there's any sort of medical call. 00:14:49
As we talked about before, you, you, you get an ambulance and heavy outreach. 00:14:52
So, uh. 00:14:57
In a lot of cases. 00:14:58
That could be considered overkill, but that's just how it was because you couldn't just have two people on an ambulance for a 00:15:00
call. You could just have a heavy apparatus because we needed anything. So what UFA is doing is they're trying. 00:15:05
A test period. 00:15:11
For this is called low QD unit 101. 00:15:12
It's hold on 01. It's located in in the station in Mill Creek on 39th and 9th. 00:15:16
And but they they get dispatched to an 11 minute drivetime radius out of there. 00:15:21
Which pretty much hits all. 00:15:26
It might not hit. 00:15:28
The very. 00:15:30
Southeast, I think it probably does the quarter one, one hit, but easily it's a 10 minute drive to Wasatch. 00:15:32
From messages, so you'll see this. 00:15:37
Quite a bit and the importance of this. 00:15:39
On on more duty call office. 00:15:42
A site problem Another a site problem with little cutie, but they don't need. 00:15:46
Medical intervention, right they they need help but. 00:15:50
They don't necessarily need medical intervention. 00:15:52
Or maybe a ground level fall with. 00:15:55
Notes. And then what? 00:15:57
Is this will be dispatched with an ambulance? 00:15:59
And the heavy apparatus in his service. 00:16:02
And there's multiple. 00:16:05
Benefits of that one is wear and tear. 00:16:07
Right. You're not sending that. 00:16:09
The heavy apparatus on things that. 00:16:11
That maybe you don't need. 00:16:13
Another is. 00:16:16
They get to stay in service for maybe a more critical call. 00:16:18
It's coming up. 00:16:21
Over the years, you know, I've been on engineers and. 00:16:22
There's been many times where you're on a call and then you hear another one come in like, oh, that might be more serious, but you 00:16:25
can't just abandoned somebody, right? So, so by this, it frees up that. 00:16:30
That heavy apparatus that may be going more difficult and then most importantly it freeze them up to for fires. So if there's a 00:16:34
fire. 00:16:37
As we all know. 00:16:41
The best thing that we can do for a house fire is the quicker when you get water on it, the better if you might be in the mustache 00:16:43
and just for everybody. So if. 00:16:46
If the closest heavy apparatus has a better better chance of being in service. 00:16:50
And being able to respond to a fire to water on fire as quick as possible. 00:16:55
It's it's better for everybody, so. 00:16:58
If you see this. 00:17:01
They could run around and leave us an old PC rig. 00:17:02
Zombies has it all the time. She's great. 00:17:04
The staff of two EMT's. 00:17:07
They'll be going and you might see them and you will see them in the city. 00:17:09
That's what it is. It's a trial period. It's it's not a. 00:17:12
Right now they. 00:17:16
We we have people assigned to it and it runs Monday through Thursday from 9:00 in the morning till 7:00 at night, so 40 hours a 00:17:17
week. 00:17:20
And it's just it's a trial period. 00:17:24
And as far as the success, you know, I'm not like cheaper and speak for this is. 00:17:27
It's Only one is August 4. 00:17:31
So it hasn't been formed for very long. 00:17:33
And they were responding up until about last week. They responded about 25 times at the holiday already. 00:17:35
Which is which is pretty substantial, about 25 times that the heavy apparatus and happily even could make it stay in summer sport 00:17:41
for a more serious call. 00:17:45
But as far as the success of it. 00:17:49
Jewelry tells you or. 00:17:51
Or as of right now I'm getting data that you like. 00:17:53
Yeah, we're, we're pretty happy with it with. 00:17:56
If we continue to. 00:18:00
Average the same amount of calls. 00:18:01
For their per week that. 00:18:03
We've targeted 500 calls would be successful and. 00:18:04
We've hit about 600. 00:18:07
If we stay on average, we'd be response. 00:18:09
So yeah, we're. 00:18:14
We're going to run the trial for a year. We'll be looking. 00:18:15
Into our next budget. 00:18:18
Period, Warner. 00:18:19
What we're going to do as far as extend the trial and maybe stop and put? 00:18:21
From my perspective, already I've been successful. We've had. 00:18:25
Specific incidents that I believe it was the second week it was in service. 00:18:28
That unit responded with the medic ambulance I101 to call. 00:18:34
30 seconds later. 00:18:39
Polaris comes in in the 101 area. 00:18:40
Engine goes. 00:18:43
Own person and cardiac arrest. 00:18:44
Saves saves them, gets their CPR. 00:18:46
Shots. The patient gets a. 00:18:50
Heart rate and. 00:18:51
That may or may not happen had it been. 00:18:53
A longer response because 101 was already out and. 00:18:56
The only day you have to come in or. 00:18:59
Another military engineer, 11 or so. 00:19:01
So they already respond with an ambulance? Yeah. 00:19:05
And then we changed. 00:19:08
Policy where the ambulances all have a paramedic on board now so every every ambulance has a paramedic and. 00:19:10
That's part of the reason this is. 00:19:16
Where we've been so comfortable. 00:19:18
Even if they go. 00:19:21
And the call taker gets not the greatest. 00:19:22
Oftentimes we don't get great information from the colors, but. 00:19:26
They do a pretty good job of coding the call. 00:19:29
If we get there and they need an ALS intervention, there's there's manuals come with a paramedic. 00:19:31
They can start ALS care and then they'll request a. 00:19:36
Heavy apparatus moment. 00:19:40
Instant. 00:19:41
That have you apparatus not as paramedic too. 00:19:42
And so we. 00:19:48
We feel like. 00:19:49
On his little cutie calls. 00:19:51
Could you get away with blessed people? 00:19:53
Probably, but. 00:19:55
You know, I think. 00:19:57
Having corresponders, there's a certain level of. 00:19:58
Responder safety, with that, having more people, I think it's better. 00:20:01
Better care and customer service, you know. 00:20:04
Even for somebody that. 00:20:07
Very minor. If you just send two people and you got to manage the person, manage all the equipment, get them out to the ambulance, 00:20:08
they. 00:20:11
What you could have somebody? 00:20:14
Off the ceiling, go to the hospital in 15 minutes. Now it's probably taking longer for two people to manage that so. 00:20:16
About 8%. 00:20:21
Well, 4141, if you send a heavy apparatus, there's four on the engines and then two on the ambulance. But it's the ambulances with 00:20:23
the low acuity instance and you got four and four, yeah. 00:20:28
And this this has become popular. 00:20:36
So they say is drawing. 00:20:40
And a lot of the big cities that they're finding great success. 00:20:43
I mean. 00:20:46
This is just. 00:20:47
First of all. 00:20:48
I see this. 00:20:49
Becoming a valid one thing, especially as we just get busier and busier and busier. 00:20:50
I can see more of these little Kitty units out. I mean, I'll probably be logged on. 00:20:54
But you know, Justin scared might. 00:20:57
Yeah, down the road. 00:21:01
But but it's a great thing. 00:21:03
And again, it's just it just. 00:21:05
It's just smart, right? For For. 00:21:08
You know. 00:21:10
Our encs are. 00:21:12
Or, uh. 00:21:14
North past N plus people so. 00:21:16
It just, it just makes sense that it's and it's a good thing that UFA is doing and I think there are a lot of cities in the 00:21:18
policy. 00:21:21
Did you say that all it was? It was. 00:21:24
And I don't know if this is the. 00:21:29
Impetus of the whole thing, but Paul in his orientation for the board. 00:21:30
You asked all about this and I don't know if you've seen it from another place or. 00:21:33
No, I can't remember. 00:21:38
I talked about somebody else. 00:21:41
Was busy enough. 00:21:46
But yeah, I think it's just been confirmed in my mind. 00:21:47
The potential here because when you look at the. 00:21:52
The call type once every month in board meeting where you got 1200. 00:21:55
Per month versus 66 fire calls and. 00:22:00
It's a win of the so-called unified fire instead of unified. 00:22:05
Because of the. 00:22:10
The call type. 00:22:11
Bring them and this is. 00:22:14
Showed this is. This is data from last week. These are the types of polls that. 00:22:16
The Lord Kitty has gone on. 00:22:20
So just clarification so that no other appropriate choice. 00:22:22
That's probably something cheaper and let this up it's. 00:22:26
They've got sent to an address and there was an application or no emergency there. So that's something like that and then. 00:22:28
The traffic accident they normally don't. 00:22:35
Get this message off accidents because. 00:22:37
That could be more of a high community things. They probably rolled up on one. You know what I mean It just happened. It just 00:22:39
dropped by incident. But these are these are the the type of calls that they have also again. 00:22:43
Most Brownello falls and permitted more injuries. 00:22:48
Medical alarms. 00:22:51
And then, you know, psychiatric or sick person maybe or it's not not something that's supposed to be that sounds very good. 00:22:53
Like, I know we get a lot of falls here because we've got a lot of. 00:22:59
Assisted living facilities. 00:23:04
I would ascend. The fall of something these days would be the pool too. 00:23:06
Because there's four, there's still going to be 4 people there to manage the scene. 00:23:10
Yeah, which is enough. 00:23:13
Right, it would depend on the details of the call. 00:23:15
As far as? 00:23:19
As far as? 00:23:21
The severity of the injuries, you know, they call them. 00:23:22
A hurt ankle. 00:23:25
Then they'll probably send a local unit, but they only say they hit their head and I'll be. 00:23:26
One foot of the year. Well now in. 00:23:30
And I don't know if they've worked this out in. 00:23:33
I think up there in January, are we going with ABCD? 00:23:36
Dispatched so as of right now, they kind of just have the have the details but. 00:23:40
That as you dispatches our calls, it's coming up in the next couple months, they're going to start rating them between. 00:23:45
Apple. 00:23:54
Which is funny because we need to do that. 00:23:55
8-9 years ago or rocketed when years ago they went away and then. 00:23:57
Right, back to it and that also helped with. 00:24:01
With filtering out low fury. 00:24:03
And what gets dispatched? 00:24:07
I would just add that the other piece that would be super important to. 00:24:10
Obviously, Council and the taxpayers this is. 00:24:15
A great intermediate step to manage our performance and call volume. 00:24:18
Because up till now. 00:24:22
Like your engine's getting pretty busy here too, but one-on-one down the streets of the busiest engine in our system. 00:24:24
And when you hit a threshold. 00:24:30
Our our only real. 00:24:33
Remedy for that without another heavy apparatus? Well. 00:24:35
Heavy apparatuses, $3.2 million a year, right so. 00:24:38
If we can. 00:24:42
Reduce the burden of this heavy apparatus. Use these units appropriately to manage appropriate calls. It's a. It's a better way 00:24:43
to. 00:24:46
To maintain. 00:24:49
Not seeing to add heavy breast. 00:24:50
Is as quickly now we've hit some thresholds there, there's a little potential that. 00:24:53
Our performance, we need others heavy apparatus, but we're not going to be driven into that by our medical response. So. 00:24:58
It's a good middle ground. 00:25:05
To provide some more. 00:25:08
Makes a lot of sense. 00:25:09
I'll say it one more. You know that that's that there's a financial piece, but there's also a. 00:25:10
A morale piece. 00:25:14
Because. 00:25:16
Especially some of these ones. 00:25:17
That takes a call away, maybe from the heavy apparatus where you know they may have been on. 00:25:18
Both calls and make it just sit down for dinner or. 00:25:22
Been out five times that night. 00:25:25
This is just one more view of the spread. 00:25:26
Spread the coal volume out with people and help with not feel like they've gone way overkill of what you're taking this. 00:25:29
Right. 00:25:36
My career that was, that's always been one of the. 00:25:40
Boss, why is that? Fire engineering was going to recall and for a while there when we were trying to get themselves sometimes we 00:25:42
had. 00:25:45
2 fire apparatus and an ambulance or two ambulances it was. 00:25:49
So that's definitely more an appropriate use of resources. 00:25:53
Of course, the key is his way. 00:25:57
Quality of dispatch? Yes. Communication. 00:25:59
In a crisis situations, one where the other they addressed up. 00:26:02
Column of all type of. 00:26:06
It's a resource. 00:26:08
Yeah, and there's definitely been. 00:26:09
So, so we get we get testosterone call or say people get this festival call. 00:26:11
And then, you know, they start driving and then they get more details because the details are coming in. It's not like they have 00:26:18
all the details whenever they did this class. 00:26:21
There's been times where. 00:26:24
You know what? This sounds more than it is. 00:26:26
I'm going to have the apparatus started right now, so. 00:26:28
They have the leeway to add that before they get there and made an assessment because it's always better to be safe than sorry one 00:26:30
sort of things. Yeah, so. 00:26:33
Did you have that? 00:26:37
Fantastic. Do you have any other questions? 00:26:41
No matter anything else. 00:26:43
You know if there's anything to go along with because you have my. 00:26:45
In Subnex. 00:26:48
OK. Thank you. Thanks for that. 00:26:50
They said OK, well I think it's cheap oil now. 00:26:53
Go ahead, Sorry. 00:26:56
No, you're fine. 00:27:00
Hey, but you're going to be next. 00:27:03
He usually doesn't take more than an hour and a half. I'll try and get it to an hour 25 today, just you know. 00:27:08
Well, that's certainly going to be a tough act to follow, but that is certainly especially with. 00:27:14
Dusty, Dan and Wade here I. 00:27:18
I would be remiss if I we didn't publicly express our appreciation for relationship. 00:27:20
Either by fire it is. 00:27:24
Such a great relationship we have and I know especially even with those 3 gentlemen there, they're a phone call away and we'll do 00:27:27
anything they can to help. 00:27:30
This community help us and it's just a great working relationship. 00:27:34
More out on big scenes and big deals and we're just grateful for the relationship that we have with our brothers, sister, the UFA 00:27:37
so. 00:27:41
With that for our. 00:27:45
Presentation here in our quarterly report for. 00:27:47
The precinct, Erin Holiday, you can kind of see our calls right there for this year are down just a little bit from where they've 00:27:50
been over the last couple of years. 00:27:55
Especially this last quarter. 00:27:59
July, we touched on right about the same we were in 2024, but you kind of see the trend a little bit lower than they have over the 00:28:01
last couple of years this year. 00:28:04
Which is a good thing. 00:28:08
It's one of the next. 00:28:09
Thank you for that. Yeah. 00:28:11
Holds it down. Is that across UFA generally or is this? 00:28:14
But same upper. 00:28:18
Every precinct a little bit different. 00:28:20
Everyone's a little bit different, but worth. 00:28:21
By and large is an organization. I think we're still trending right about the same across the board, but every some precincts are 00:28:24
a little bit higher, some like us are a little bit lower. 00:28:27
But by and large, we're still running right about the same across the board. 00:28:31
That next slide that you'll see here. 00:28:36
Is just the types of cases that we responded on over the last three months. 00:28:39
You can see where ones are down from 2024 and where others are up. 00:28:42
For the year, but by and large, as you saw, those numbers were down quite a bit. 00:28:47
Several calls from where we were last year. 00:28:51
But those are the individual cases that if you want to go to the next. 00:28:54
Slide here are traffic related offenses that happen. 00:28:58
Can you Scroll down just a little to the bottom? 00:29:02
You'll see. I mean we generally by month we're running right about. 00:29:05
So where that 44 is in the middle, that's about or 4042 generally traffic cases per month, you can see that. 00:29:10
Our booking arrest. You'll see our blank right now. 00:29:17
Just to give you a little signal, generally we will put that stat up there. 00:29:19
But we're going through a definition change of what a booking arrest is and so now. 00:29:23
In our reporting system, we have to just list. Everybody's a suspect. We can't list. 00:29:28
So even if if I arrest somebody and take him to jail today. 00:29:33
They can't get listed as a suspect, I mean as an arrestee. 00:29:36
And and count 1 lost out it. 00:29:40
We can't count that as an arrest and our stats until it goes through district attorney's office. 00:29:42
And they file formal charges and then our record staff have to go back in and change it so. 00:29:46
Sometimes it can take a few weeks, a few months before we actually get charges back on individuals. And so those numbers, when you 00:29:51
see those numbers being blank, that's why, because those numbers. 00:29:55
What is this definition is gone to that and the extra work involved in that? 00:30:00
It takes some time to catch up pending. 00:30:04
No. So as a matter of fact, even that is our offices when we write our reports, even if somebody is arrested. 00:30:08
They have to list them as just as a suspect. 00:30:14
An offender slash suspect is all the titles in our reporting system and then once it goes gets all the way through the system and 00:30:16
charges come back. 00:30:20
And then our records happen. I can take it to an arrestee or if charges are declined, they're they're still left suspect. 00:30:23
Okay. 00:30:31
The next one is our response times you can see. 00:30:33
We're arranging these are just priority 1-2 and three. 00:30:37
Called, so anywhere from. 00:30:40
4 minutes up to 11 minutes. On those three type of calls, we're running about 6 minutes on priority one, which is interesting. On 00:30:43
priority two, there are 4 minutes. 00:30:48
And then, you know, we're up to 10 to 11 minutes on our priority, which are great response sites other than. 00:30:53
I'm sure that you're well if you're gonna. 00:30:59
Ask the question there. 00:31:01
Why was faith? Why was you reading? 00:31:03
Spell it more quickly. 00:31:05
And here's the thing and what we find, and there's been a couple of times they do these monthly reports, Sometimes we get these. 00:31:07
These cases that are absolutely like will get. 00:31:13
I send the mayor, Zino Stephan, their monthly report every month of just the individual stats and there's some months where like 00:31:19
we have. 00:31:22
An average response time on priority ones at 13 minutes. Like whoa, that's a bad deal. 00:31:26
But what happens is that sometimes there are priority one calls. 00:31:31
That end up being like a telephone report, like for example it was one month. 00:31:36
That somebody reported a kidnapping. They just wanted it to reported over the phone. 00:31:39
And so just the phone report work. 00:31:43
A kidnapping in general the priority one called inquiry and get to. 00:31:45
But it was one that was just. 00:31:49
The way I got coded in dispatch. 00:31:51
And what really had happened with the circumstances were. 00:31:53
With something that had happened months ago or somebody, it was. 00:31:56
Relationship situation. Somebody got help against their will and they just want to report for months later. 00:31:59
So it wasn't one that our officers had to respond to right away and it held for a bit and it got caught up so. 00:32:03
Sometimes there's calls like that that. 00:32:09
Especially the property wants to get demoted that way and then it. 00:32:11
Delays that time frame on there. 00:32:14
And that's that's why you'll see some of those, those slower times there. 00:32:17
But generally speaking at this this. 00:32:22
This quarter of a very unique ballot. 00:32:25
Right at 6 minutes. 00:32:27
But generally speaking. 00:32:29
We are three to four minutes most of the time. 00:32:30
Is what we're. Our algorithm is as you look at it throughout the years, we're dealing with three or 4 minutes. 00:32:33
I'm probably 31 since then. 00:32:37
So. 00:32:42
What will if someone is? 00:32:45
With that. 00:32:48
That would generally be a priority one, and in progress call it as a priority. 00:32:53
Where a crime happened, just happened and occurred, like an assault has happened or a burglary just occurred. 00:33:00
Suspects are now gone. 00:33:06
That's going to fall to a priority 2-3 depending on what the information is. But there's something like that. The program in 00:33:08
progress, somebody in the House is going to be a priority one generally. 00:33:12
A traffic axle of injuries is a priority one. 00:33:17
A crime of progress sometimes our our domestic violence calls are generally. 00:33:21
Priority three type call generally unless somebody is actually. 00:33:26
There's an assault taking place that somebody's actually hurt or. 00:33:30
If there's, you know there's something more. 00:33:34
Our FIRE brothers and sisters are responding with us on the call. Generally that gets bumped up to a priority one or two. 00:33:36
But if you're somebody inside your home burger in progress, that's doing it, probably. 00:33:42
Two other. 00:33:48
Do other municipalities measure the same metric available? Interesting I guess. 00:33:52
So just throwing that with you to consider. 00:33:58
Like a peer analysis kind of a thing and to see how you how you. 00:34:01
Perhaps it could be. Maybe it's a cycle for you only and then there's obviously 3 variables. 00:34:05
But try to find a peer that's similar. 00:34:10
Holiday is we found in this and you said that'd be something if you look at this so. 00:34:12
Absolutely. Just answer. 00:34:16
Yeah, no, absolutely. Anything we can do, we'll get to improve. We're happy to do so is this the one, Is it the area that you 00:34:19
think the most limited stuff is something like that is in response time? 00:34:24
It could. 00:34:30
You know, generally speaking those you know, 6 minutes is a little high on a priority one. 00:34:32
You know you generally want to be at 5 minutes. 00:34:38
As where you want to be. 00:34:41
Are you talking about the classification of the column or this metric? 00:34:44
Would it lend itself as well to compare it against? 00:34:49
Say for example converter heights or other. 00:34:51
Similar size G. 00:34:55
You know, you got. Oh, yeah. 00:34:56
Yeah, no, absolutely. Like I said, like a tearing off system. 00:35:00
Yeah, it doesn't happen too often. I mean, other than we've got the relationships with like the chief overhead to have a great 00:35:03
relationship with him. 00:35:07
You know, there are things that are happening. We'll call each other and talk to them with the pair and. 00:35:12
But to do an actual true and if there was something that we could compare to and get stats, we could certainly do that and we'll 00:35:15
pull stats a lot of times from other departments. 00:35:19
Just to compare and see where we're at, see where we can approve. 00:35:23
Great. Any other questions on that one? 00:35:28
The next few slides you have in your packets, but over just a breakdown of the calls for your individual council districts. 00:35:32
So you can see how many calls were the different classifications each month. 00:35:38
And the categories that you had before you get off 1 but. 00:35:43
It seemed like. 00:35:48
District 1. 00:35:49
This July data. 00:35:51
Way up there. 00:35:55
I was there. They went especially compared to the other districts like. 00:35:58
Is there a reason for that? Or like the public order number? 00:36:01
As opposed to, I mean, if you look at August, there's not even a. 00:36:06
You know what? 00:36:10
Is that cumulative from? 00:36:13
That that has to be that's. 00:36:14
Yeah, it's kind of the accumulated. 00:36:17
District 1 We. 00:36:22
The whole city. 00:36:28
I don't know, it might make a difference maybe. 00:36:33
Welcome city. When I got those stats that's. 00:36:37
So July was. 00:36:44
309 total for the whole city. 00:36:46
So that. 00:36:49
District 1 staring the burden for the whole scene. 00:36:52
They could catch. 00:36:58
I'm sorry I didn't catch that before. Let's put that together. 00:36:59
So then you've got the District 234 and 5. 00:37:03
Does anybody have any questions specific to their individual districts now? 00:37:06
What is like? 00:37:10
Where was the 1 before that public order? 00:37:13
With that, so maybe for district. 00:37:16
No, that 1:30. 00:37:20
30 cases in July. 00:37:22
What is public order? What? 00:37:24
Falls under that. 00:37:26
So those are suspicious circumstances. Those are. 00:37:28
Suspicious vehicle in the area those are. 00:37:32
You know, sometimes people, sometimes optimal classify them as public. 00:37:35
Peace or public order. It can be noise disturbances, It can be civil problems. 00:37:39
Several problems are ones that we go on an awful lot. It's just things that we just go and kind of keep for individuals. 00:37:44
Those types of cases over. 00:37:49
Some of the ones that we, you will see if you look at stats, overall public order, public fees are by and large. 00:37:50
The largest exit calls that we respond just capture the. 00:37:55
That's just a very broad. 00:37:59
Topic. 00:38:01
OK. And then if you will, Stephie will jump to. 00:38:05
So there's just a couple of cases of note that I wanted to highlight for you guys. 00:38:08
The first one was August 24th, 25. 00:38:13
Our officers responded to a shooting that happened at an apartment complex here in the city. 00:38:16
As they began the investigation, they found it was an acquaintance of the victim who was shot in a leg. 00:38:21
A violent crimes unit got involved in it, started tracking down the identity that individual we were. 00:38:27
Weren't given much information about who that person was, but within 11 days our violent crime deal was able to track them down. 00:38:32
And arrested that. 00:38:38
Suspect for multiple felonies that included aggravated assault, having serious injury, discharge of firearm. 00:38:39
Having serious bodily injury, possession of a firearm by restricted person and additional drug offenses. So with great work by 00:38:46
robotic crimes. 00:38:49
And then on July 15th. 00:38:53
It was on Highland Drive. 00:38:57
Anything else 3. 00:38:59
Yeah, right across. 00:39:01
Yeah. 00:39:04
Many of you are already aware of this and this is a great again to highlight our relationship with UFA. But as you guys all know, 00:39:08
on July 15th, it was a. 00:39:11
The water leak that happens. 00:39:15
Coordination with command with unified fire. 00:39:17
Or we had several officers respond not only from Holiday, but Mill Creek and magnets that came up here to help with traffic 00:39:20
control. 00:39:23
And help in that situation, but just again. 00:39:26
Great relationship and part of the beauty of this of the Unified Police Department, of we're able to pull resources from other 00:39:29
precincts to come up and help when we need them. 00:39:33
And then the last one to highlight is. 00:39:38
It was a. 00:39:42
Get a burglary that happened in Midvale and interestingly enough. 00:39:43
The suspects lived here in Holiday and working with the Midvale detectives, we had our detectives, Mill Creek detectives that all 00:39:47
got together. 00:39:51
With the SWAT team to serve the search warrant at the suspects home here in Holiday, who we found had been committing. 00:39:56
Multiple burglaries across the valley, but the search warrant yielded 8 firearms. 00:40:00
$3100 in criminal currency. 35 silver coins. 00:40:05
And jewelry that have been taken in the burglary in Midvale. 00:40:09
But that's us, like ultimately got hooked into jail on multiple felony charges, but we had, again, detectives from Magna Holiday, 00:40:13
Mill Creek and Midvale all involved in that operation. 00:40:18
It's not here. 00:40:22
And then the last slide we'll talk about is the educational piece much like. 00:40:24
Dan had mentioned education is something that's super important and I know all of you guys have been involved. 00:40:29
In this ebike campaign that we. 00:40:34
But I just, I felt it was kind of important because we're still getting a lot of questions about the E bikes and the E devices, if 00:40:37
you will, and what you what's legal, what's not legal and. 00:40:42
But I, I felt like and just so you guys know, beginning July 1. 00:40:48
The issue was is there are so many different variations that we've talked about this the E devices that are out there. 00:40:52
Even our officers didn't know what was legal, what wasn't legal because there's just, you know, from the E bikes to these the 00:40:57
Saurons to the one wheels to scooters. 00:41:01
There's different rules and regulations on them. So we educated during the month of July all of our officers. 00:41:05
We broke down the classifications of all the different E devices. We. 00:41:10
Send it out here on the city's website. 00:41:14
I wrote an article on the Holiday Journal. 00:41:16
And then? 00:41:18
Pio created an educational video that's on Instagram that we actually shared. 00:41:20
With, with Lena and with all of our Pios from all of our communities to get posted out, all the communities are trying to educate 00:41:24
everybody because this isn't just an issue that we're facing here at Holiday. It's, it's all across the valley and, and 00:41:29
everybody's having that issue. 00:41:34
So. 00:41:40
During the months of August and September. 00:41:40
We did a lot of educational stops. We stopped people educated that hey, what you're doing is illegal. Contact parents and have the 00:41:43
home at the beginning in September, we started taking enforcement actions where we're starting to write citations and. 00:41:48
And in some cases some of the the. 00:41:55
Unregistered vehicle got impounded. 00:41:58
But that that happened as of September. But it's it's been a huge campaign. 00:42:01
Hopefully, hopefully the message is getting out there of the danger is we have had a couple of of accidents this summer involving 00:42:06
kids writing these E devices and. 00:42:10
It is right here in the city and so hopefully, and that's ultimately the goal, we just don't want to see anybody get hurt. 00:42:15
How's that going with the education piece and then with the citations? Or do you feel like people are? 00:42:20
Starting to understand or do you feel like? 00:42:26
It we're selfish at the beginning stages. 00:42:28
All that it varies because some of the stocks will be made. 00:42:30
People said I, I heard, you know, I just. 00:42:34
Gonna be OK. And another one, you know, there's some folks that may have no idea. They're like, I had no clue. 00:42:37
And as we've tried to tell people that. 00:42:43
You know, I mean it's, it really is. I mean, when you see. 00:42:45
Some of these devices, I mean they can go upwards of 6070 miles an hour. 00:42:49
And I mean. 00:42:53
I've been past going down Holiday Blvd. in my police car on those and so anyway, it's just. 00:42:54
Everybody's a little bit different. Some people know, some people don't know, and some people just. 00:43:01
You could tell maybe playing like I knew it, but I don't want to admit I knew it. 00:43:07
So matters. 00:43:11
How that's been there? 00:43:13
He basically dreads. 00:43:16
In the afternoon and. 00:43:19
Probably a 1011 year old kid on those. 00:43:21
Smaller. 00:43:24
Low profile ones. These are more wheels. 00:43:25
We have done a sidewalk primarily, but then he crossed 45th and went. 00:43:28
On the other side, South of what effects on B7 but. 00:43:33
Who shot the Belfast? 00:43:37
We had at first I thought I'd be well, just regular E bikes, that's class one, Class 2, but. 00:43:40
It's hard for me to tell exactly how fast they're going, but he took off like a shot. 00:43:46
Absolutely. Maybe. Maybe 1011. 00:43:50
At most on one of those. 00:43:53
And I was. 00:43:56
Well, absolutely. And here's the other thing that I, you know, since we're. 00:44:00
Out there, hopefully people are listening to this and. 00:44:04
You know, even if your kids are out riding these, the one thing we can not overemphasize is please don't run. 00:44:06
'Cause that's been some of the messages out there. We've had some kids that have run from our officers on these. 00:44:13
You know, at the. 00:44:19
That's that's. 00:44:20
The fastest way to get yourself a felony charge is to flee from the police is a third degree felony and we just don't want to see. 00:44:22
People getting felony charges over just something. 00:44:29
They could be just very minor. 00:44:31
OK. That's what I have. Anybody have any questions? 00:44:39
Thanks for all the work you've done on that, Chief. I know we've been pushing that, but try to get some education stuff. 00:44:42
You guys have been trying to respond, Yeah. Oh, I just want to ask, are you going into any of the schools doing? 00:44:48
We haven't yet. 00:44:54
That's one of the things I would like to get on the. 00:44:57
Start working with someone. That's awesome. Let's see if there's a class and we can to talk to. 00:44:59
Like I know especially. 00:45:03
Olympus Island, this junior and Bargo, we've got our school resource officers over there and they're talking to them regularly to 00:45:04
the kids in there. 00:45:08
But we haven't. 00:45:12
We haven't had any formal presentations yet, but the. 00:45:14
Ones that have our SRO's, they talk to those kids a lot. 00:45:17
About it. 00:45:20
OK. OK, Chief. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. 00:45:23
Location Wild Urban interface update. 00:45:27
What the sheep that started. I just want to refresh the temple's memory during the legislative session. 00:45:32
You may recall that. 00:45:39
The Legislature has a. 00:45:40
Pretty comprehensive. 00:45:43
He said legislation that was really designed. 00:45:45
To help reduce the the risk of white vampires. 00:45:49
And one of the things that required was that we adopt all, all municipalities and counties adopt. 00:45:54
By the end of this year. 00:46:00
Building code around wildland. 00:46:03
Fire. So we have. 00:46:06
Them and probably also there were a lot of unanswered questions at that. 00:46:07
The end of the session. 00:46:13
So I know the FAA has been working through some of those questions with state representatives. 00:46:14
And we're just at a point where? 00:46:22
We're ready to start a conversation with the Planning Commission about that code adoption particular areas. 00:46:25
I thought tonight she brought him to give you some background. 00:46:31
On the law and the way we see it as a risk and the way we see it being implemented. And then John will talk about the land use 00:46:36
process, what it can go through. 00:46:42
We do have a couple of policy questions, so. 00:46:48
I will want to get some guidance from you at the end of the conversation. 00:46:51
I think Gina did an exceptional job on getting it. 00:46:55
Overview the past. 00:46:57
As of March 3rd, it became law. 00:46:59
As of January 1 of 2026. 00:47:02
Municipalities need to have it when we expose within the community that it's greater than 5. 00:47:06
Then we capture that blocked a map. 00:47:12
And this is when people say the moving code the 2000s of Utah Wildland Open interface code. 00:47:15
This is exactly what it is. 00:47:21
Created in. 00:47:22
Like 2003. Adopted in 2006. 00:47:24
It's basically international fire code. Was somebody in International Building Code in there that says the parameters of the 00:47:28
building? 00:47:31
In relation to the fire. 00:47:34
Coda also. 00:47:37
So when I reference the movie 2006, that's what it is. 00:47:38
So within all of our communities, I've basically taken people. 00:47:42
Taking each municipality through the sand process as far as the conversation. 00:47:47
The new route map has an identification and map theme. 00:47:51
Then it's going to be the structure exposure score. So it's a way to look at this structure exposure scores. 00:47:55
Around the ember, and we're loading an ember casting so if you see a wildland fire, be able to. 00:48:02
Burn a hillside or burn vegetation and cast those embers. 00:48:08
That's what Ember casting is. 00:48:12
So that's what the metrics are measuring off of instance the states they have, we're doing the best we can to interpret that data 00:48:14
and articulate that data to our communities. 00:48:19
In a place. 00:48:24
Holiday where you do have the urban interface fiction next to the Wasatch Front, that's where you get to see that outline of that 00:48:26
data. And again, the recommendation from the state of Utah is to create a map starting at the Fives. 00:48:32
And then moving up to. 00:48:39
Up to what would be a 10, so again the sculpture one through 10. 00:48:40
That fire mark is that median where they're saying, hey, move up from there and create that map. 00:48:45
There are some rules that came out in draft, so if you want to. 00:48:51
Look towards the future they enter in draft format. 00:48:54
Catherine Dan Brown has those encryption with you. 00:48:57
And there's also an open. 00:49:00
Public meeting N6 that I'm going to be attending, but we have anybody's obviously able to attend. That's going to be at the 00:49:02
headquarters for Utah Division of Forestry and Fire and State Lands. I can send you that information. 00:49:07
Because within those draft rules, there's a lot of information that's worth health, too. 00:49:13
Two separate conversations. 00:49:19
And there's some confusion on this with many of the municipalities I'm working. 00:49:21
As far as the Co reference, the legislative body adopts the map. 00:49:27
And adopts the code. The code is applicable in that mapped area. 00:49:31
There will be assessments. 00:49:35
On the higher SES scores, the higher structure exposure scores within the community. 00:49:37
Will they probably be within that map? 00:49:42
Yes, but even if you did not adopt A map, they would be they would get an assessment. 00:49:45
That assessment is going to be facilitated by a solid Lake County. 00:49:49
Or by whichever aspect of counting your work you're living in. 00:49:53
From the state of Utah. 00:49:57
Directed by the State of Utah. 00:49:59
So those are what those rules are going to be identifying all of that. 00:50:01
So many people confuse well if they don't put them in the map. 00:50:05
Will they get that score? 00:50:09
And the answer is they would get that score. 00:50:10
Regardless in an app or not, because they're working off of that layer. 00:50:12
Structure, Exposure. Sport. 00:50:16
Which is also being updated too, so we may see some updates in that later future. So what? 00:50:18
What's I guess advantage or disadvantage of putting them in them or? 00:50:24
The advantage? 00:50:29
The advantage of it will be. 00:50:30
The direction of. 00:50:33
Right. So that's. 00:50:36
It's that's how the record is. 00:50:37
Again, the municipalities in charge of identifying their WUI area, their wildlife base area. 00:50:39
Capturing that in a map. 00:50:45
And within that map the building code is the. 00:50:47
Applicable in that. 00:50:50
Now when you read this, when I read this document. 00:50:51
There's a lot of reiteration of the international fire code, which is where a lot of it came from. 00:50:54
For example, roadways as far as thresholds for fire apparatus to get by. 00:50:59
All of that information is so redundant. 00:51:04
Articulation of the same information. 00:51:06
We're currently within the city of Utah. We're looking into the 2021 International Fire. 00:51:09
Manual that is very comprehensive. 00:51:14
Right, this was. 00:51:16
Same information but dated. 00:51:18
Related to the buildings and the structures if you if you're in line with your municipal water. 00:51:21
Which holiday is? 00:51:28
And if you also have your. 00:51:29
Of defensible space. 00:51:33
The upgrades to your building are going to be as challenging as if. 00:51:35
Didn't have a municipal water supply. 00:51:39
And you didn't have. 00:51:42
Your defensible space, and you would have to upgrade your building substantially to to fit in that. 00:51:43
So, and that's in the table in this document. 00:51:50
If I haven't sentence Captain Down Brown. 00:51:52
More than happy to if you. 00:51:55
You have plenty of time and you want to lift your fire code. 00:51:57
Like I like to. 00:52:00
You're more than welcome to. So that's a. 00:52:01
A good overview. 00:52:04
With that, I'll take any questions that maybe I didn't touch on. 00:52:07
Thanks for because it sounds like what you're saying is we don't really have a lot of latitude in. 00:52:10
Creating this map like it's pretty much if it meets these criteria, we just need to so there's not a lot of latitude. 00:52:15
We don't do it so as the legislative body in chapter 3 in the movie code we could read. 00:52:21
You're directed to adopt. 00:52:27
Do you even have discretion over what that math is and you do the recommendation from forestry, fire, state lands? 00:52:31
Is you started that five and go with that 10 range until you're. 00:52:37
It basically until you integrate into property that is not holiday and looking at your community. 00:52:41
My concern is those 5 to 10. 00:52:47
That's going to be a matter of an interface area. 00:52:50
What it doesn't do, it doesn't get into. 00:52:53
It doesn't address the specifics that maybe. 00:52:56
ICE. They're subjective to my worldview as they drive the community. 00:52:59
Many areas along the Short River Park Trail and other communities are not hitting those structure exposures For us, what we've 00:53:03
seen some pretty aggressive fires and that type of vegetation where it is contiguous. 00:53:09
And I am going to that .1 of the policy questions we're asking you is. 00:53:16
To a large portion of your district acts. 00:53:22
Where I think a reasonable person could be concerned about that kind of risk. 00:53:26
And that's suggested. That's where I looked at the legislative body. I would not make the recommendation under the. 00:53:31
Just be in lockstep with the direction from Utah Division. 00:53:37
Of forestry, fire, state lands as far as looking at those scores, looking at the data. 00:53:41
Again, it's specifically identified as structure exposure scores. 00:53:46
If you look at other data, other mapping layers for risk assessment or for risk, wildlife fire risk. 00:53:50
You're going to have a different. 00:53:57
So I just want to make sure I understand. So depending on if you're because it was mostly I think in holiday it was like. 00:53:59
76 and five is mostly what we added that I saw on the map. Is that right, John? 00:54:05
So if you're yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:54:09
So if you're in. 00:54:14
Zone compared to a stick and zone. Does that just mean different? 00:54:17
Building the mitigation requirements on property owners or what? 00:54:20
No, so, so with it, let's say you're, you have a 7 structure explosive score. That's going to be a different conversation. You may 00:54:24
you may or may not have a home assess. 00:54:29
Be related to that. 00:54:35
Even if you took up Louie at the wild and open interface, map off the table within your community. 00:54:37
Because they're going to be going directly off of structure exposure source and this is where kind of the confusion. 00:54:42
Comes into play. 00:54:47
Where do you identify that map? 00:54:49
Then your standard is going to be. 00:54:51
Is going to be within us. 00:54:54
In that entire map. 00:54:56
So if you're in the fives, even if you're in the six and sevens, if you're all the 10s, you're so guilty. 00:54:59
By it was the movie. 00:55:04
So as far as what this means for property owners in these different areas, it will affect the fees that they're assessed. 00:55:06
Now, so clearly I'm not sorry. 00:55:13
I adopt A map within this area. 00:55:18
OK, this Lily. 00:55:22
What do you say, Doctor? 00:55:24
I know, but are you saying? 00:55:27
Identify the boundaries. 00:55:28
If I drew a line over a certain area within the holiday. 00:55:30
Wherever that is. 00:55:34
And the recommendation from the state is between the five to 10 range. 00:55:36
I placed this. 00:55:40
In the middle, because this is what is going to govern the building within there. 00:55:42
Incorrectly explained, your petition is wrong. 00:55:46
If I said, you know, what the heck with that, I'm not going to be compliant with Telescope 48. 00:55:48
The state is still going to be assessing those fees through the county. 00:55:53
If somebody is living in the structure, exposure scores 789. 00:55:59
The rules are in draft form. They're not. 00:56:04
Accommodated or adopted? 00:56:07
So I can't be specific on what those. 00:56:09
Look like in the future. 00:56:13
Forthcoming before January 1, I'm assuming it will have all of that detail. 00:56:15
And we'll be able to communicate that through the liaisons of how that's looking. 00:56:20
There are opportunities on the other side of that. 00:56:23
To bless and that assessed he. 00:56:27
By doing some mitigation efforts, what is important to understand about the adoption of this? 00:56:29
If you have a municipal water supply, which Holiday does? 00:56:36
Which is usually measured for residential structures at 1000 gallons per minute of 20PSI. 00:56:41
Generally speaking, interviews depending too on this word footage. 00:56:47
So holidays. 00:56:51
Compliant with that. 00:56:52
And if the also if you do have the defensible space. 00:56:54
You're fine. The only thing that is retroactive on this. 00:56:59
Is defensible space. 00:57:02
Unless you read. 00:57:05
Basically did a rebuild of your home, took it down to the foundation and were 25% or more than you'd have to build to. 00:57:06
The Building standards with goodness, and that's my understanding. 00:57:12
So I hope that clarifies it so that. 00:57:16
But this is, you know, not that holiday and certainly a lot in your district, I think part of your question. 00:57:19
May also be, are there additional costs for homeowners and exactly that situation, yeah. 00:57:25
And there likely would be. 00:57:32
OK. Yeah, there likely would be and there's a table in here that's supplies. 00:57:33
And that aligns that. 00:57:38
I will say, if you do have the municipal water supply and if you do have the defensible space, they are far less than. 00:57:39
So if you're living there, you're not remodeling or anything, you're just living. 00:57:47
Do you still assess the feed or you're only discussing a fee if you are remodeling and changing? 00:57:52
There's going to be an additional fee assess for people in these areas regardless, regardless, and that's whatever this map looks 00:57:56
like because. 00:58:00
Essentially, they've already just determined what if one. 00:58:05
When would I say to you rap? Absolutely this information. 00:58:07
The data in this came from the URA. 00:58:11
All right, so the URAP map is already on the states. 00:58:14
Web server, so we're going to look at that. 00:58:17
I know you could hop into each area and look at that. 00:58:20
That data. 00:58:22
That is where the assessment is going to come from. 00:58:23
This if adopted, if you did adopt that area. 00:58:26
That's again where you're building code would would be adopted in. 00:58:30
Well, that we don't adopt it. 00:58:33
Then if you don't adopt it #1. 00:58:36
As I read the bill, it's law, so you have that point. 00:58:39
And if you don't adopt it, you wouldn't be able to be part of the cooperative agreement with the state that we're currently 00:58:43
working through. 00:58:46
Through unified fire. So if we have a large scale wildland fire within our within holiday. 00:58:50
The state will. 00:58:56
Will pay those bills. OK, alright. 00:58:57
So now it's starting to make sense a little bit. 00:59:00
I just I just had the conversation with the state. 00:59:04
Spread. How would this look? How would that work? 00:59:07
And we need to report. 00:59:10
Every community we're working with. 00:59:12
I need to tell them where we're at and what. 00:59:14
What? How the adoptions gone? 00:59:17
I need to make sure I. 00:59:18
Have that in writing. 00:59:20
And if any are exempt, in some communities are exempt, and that's important to understand. 00:59:21
Did thou see their SES scores are almost nonexistent? 00:59:26
Again. 00:59:30
Very flat community, very flat municipality. Taylorsville very similar. They do have Jordan River Park trail. That is a concern. 00:59:32
It's not part of the structure exposure score. It's not part of the bingo here. 00:59:37
So that the states come in and set up these areas. I'm assuming a lot of this is in. 00:59:43
Reaction to what happened in the Palisades. 00:59:49
Or I think things that are happening just generally with wildfires. 00:59:52
And so they're setting up these. 00:59:58
They're setting these maps up to show different levels. 01:00:01
Of risk and so the assessment was like why are they where's the money going it's. 01:00:04
So the steaks got like a pot of money that. 01:00:08
Is almost like an insurance policy that if you're. 01:00:11
If you are. 01:00:14
Meeting the requirements of the state and something happens. 01:00:16
Then you are protected as a city that you've adopted these maps. 01:00:19
And then put code in place. 01:00:24
That addresses the issues inside those map areas. 01:00:26
The thing that I mean that captures a lot of it there is. 01:00:30
We're really good at FAQ. 01:00:33
Sheet or fact sheet that I can send you that addresses all the different points of House Bill 48? 01:00:35
It does go that the intent of House Bill 48 and I think. 01:00:41
Supported at the beginning of the House bill. 01:00:45
But it improves the insurability in the state of Utah, and that's a big component of their structures. 01:00:47
That's the intent. 01:00:53
And it's kind of a long term goal as well, right? Because you've got so. 01:00:55
So long term assuming they'll be redevelopment overtime and remodeling it at the newly remodeled. 01:00:58
Buildings will have better building code. 01:01:03
Relative to their location. 01:01:06
And it's because there was. 01:01:08
Like insurance, we're not willing to. 01:01:10
That's right. Yeah. It's it's a lot of that information is kind of go storytelling is like I hear a lot of that. 01:01:12
I haven't personally seen a lot of that, but I. 01:01:20
OK, so. 01:01:24
In the House bill, and I don't want to get it wrong, but it is articulated that. 01:01:27
The insurers. 01:01:31
The insurance companies will be able to. 01:01:33
Be able to use the you rat. 01:01:35
Data. So that data is specifically on this and again. 01:01:37
The homeowners that are assessed that fee will have that opportunity to lessen that through mitigation efforts, reducing their 01:01:41
fuel. 01:01:44
Close to their homes. 01:01:48
So, so I hope you're fine. So Gina, you live in. 01:01:50
One of those areas like right outside of OK, so some people being in that area. 01:01:55
There is a fee. 01:02:00
They have. 01:02:02
Mitigating opportunities to lower that fee. 01:02:03
And then and then, assuming we adopt. 01:02:06
Any changes they make on their property or subjects. 01:02:09
To these building costs. 01:02:12
And all of that makes them. 01:02:13
Us as a city eligible. 01:02:15
For the state funds, should we have? 01:02:17
Wildfire incident if you're if you're in lockstep with House Bill 48 and. 01:02:19
UFA is seeing the things that were committed to do as far as our match efforts on our side. 01:02:25
Then you're capable of receiving those funds in that support. If you didn't have a large scale well then fire condition it. 01:02:31
OK, I just sent everybody's a House bill for you. 01:02:37
FAQ S epic years down. 01:02:41
OK, OK. And you read it once, read it twice, read it 3 times and then it starts. 01:02:43
It's interesting the. 01:02:49
So this is a map. 01:02:51
I mean the. 01:02:55
Suggesting that we. 01:02:56
Well, this is. This is the. So this map is made-up of data with the statement. 01:02:58
So our exercise was trying to refine that and. 01:03:05
Localize it to holiday. 01:03:08
But the problem with that data set is that it's rasterized, meaning it's super low resolution. So there's no man you get this. 01:03:11
Kind of that. So the next exercise you find that is an overlay. 01:03:18
That's more meaningful to the blocks and streets. 01:03:23
That's our that's our next map, which is the dark blue here pack. 01:03:26
So it does pick up all of. 01:03:31
SES or the Structure Expenditure score 5. 01:03:34
And refines it to the street blocks rather than trying. 01:03:38
Interpret you know some of these boundaries about structure, even just a lot. 01:03:42
And again pull in. 01:03:47
The block itself. 01:03:49
OK. 01:03:50
Now when you're trying to misinterpret it and I'm going to create some contention. 01:03:53
Now with the one that we have, the blue one. 01:03:57
We don't have that broken down by 567. 01:04:01
Stephanie, if you want to right, if you want to split to the last one is. 01:04:04
So this is the what the dark blue image is what was being proposed as. 01:04:13
The movie overlay. 01:04:17
Saying that it picks up all the five. 01:04:19
Except for a couple of areas that are below wall of sign. 01:04:22
Now we can drop that down. 01:04:24
But most as well as even that other structured storage for four. 01:04:26
And we're including out like. 01:04:32
A lot of you state area. 01:04:33
Just because of the other. 01:04:36
Well, that's that's what the chief is getting to with these Edward risk areas that are. 01:04:38
Historically been considered but not a structure. Exploration 45. 01:04:43
Like the? That's right. 01:04:48
And if you if you look at the top of the map, there's. 01:04:50
And that's drainage and the backside of the cooperation. 01:04:54
So those have their characteristics that are built into the UF now. 01:04:58
If you smoke the under. 01:05:02
Spoiled. 01:05:06
And liverability situation. 01:05:08
And on top of that we would have accessibility problems and low. 01:05:11
Hydrochloric rates. 01:05:16
So they have characteristics of 5-6 and seven, but not in that we concluded it within EU wraps. 01:05:18
Got it. Because they're not. 01:05:23
For wildlife interface, no. OK, so. 01:05:25
Would they by adding these engine areas within they be assessed a fee? 01:05:29
Not the sea. 01:05:34
Yeah, they would be responsible to be in the new building, side building, imposing, the higher the more restrictive building. I'm 01:05:35
OK with that for that. 01:05:39
Brussels I like. 01:05:44
Is is this the same as what that pauses? 01:05:53
Restrictions are for example so F cause. 01:05:55
Has adopted the movie code within Adcos, so you're correct. 01:05:59
That's an interesting conversation. Like if you follow. 01:06:04
The letter of the law. 01:06:07
Unincorporated Salt Lake County may have to do another adoption to be perfectly online. They're pretty close because that caused. 01:06:08
This is applicable within that cost same. 01:06:14
And that's that's a good same. 01:06:17
Movie in there. 01:06:20
I'll reserve my thoughts. 01:06:22
I just like. 01:06:25
My job is to interpret the information, communicate the exactness of it, and you guys have that discretion as the legislative body 01:06:26
can work through that. 01:06:30
When the direction I've had is looking at the flags and above. 01:06:36
And when you even when you hop on the grav map and if you choose a different layer. 01:06:41
You're going to have a different interpretation of what's dangerous and what's not. 01:06:45
This is very specific about the structure exposure sport. 01:06:50
In that metric of measurement that they're using. 01:06:53
And the intention was really my mom, but was to protect. 01:06:58
When it's a wildland urban interface. 01:07:02
It's the wildlife. Like basically everything above outside Blvd. is everything that integrates into the vegetation. 01:07:05
When you when you look at. 01:07:11
That component of your community. 01:07:13
That that does run the wall. Such fun and comes up into there. 01:07:15
That's the area. 01:07:18
In which we're trying to address if we had a success. 01:07:20
To protect and fortify those homes so. 01:07:23
If impingement by wildfire. 01:07:26
Problems like even the eats on your home. 01:07:28
They're going to be fortified through. 01:07:31
She relaxed for building. 01:07:32
Efforts. 01:07:34
A great simple example, and I don't know who builds. 01:07:36
Homes of PVC down pipes now and gutters. 01:07:40
But again you need to have a non combustible gutter which you know will know. 01:07:43
Would be that non combustible gutter. They reference that in the code too and I might. 01:07:46
I haven't seen lately anybody throwing PBC gutters up. Could be. 01:07:50
No judgment. 01:07:55
But that would be 1 conversation. You start working as using that folks. 01:07:58
Again, when I read the code, if you're doing the other things to meet those standards. 01:08:02
And again if. 01:08:06
My focus is if. 01:08:08
The International fire Code. 01:08:10
Your hydrant flows and all of that. 01:08:12
You're there. Are they? Are they? 01:08:14
As a matter if they're exceptional, no. You're meeting that baseline of that fire. 01:08:17
And those are my. 01:08:21
My thoughts on it and as far as my interpretation as a Fire Coat official. 01:08:22
So when you're saying you were concerned about areas in the Jordan River Park Lane. 01:08:27
John was saying like this is kind of a similar thought you were concerned about this just because it is the interaction of a? 01:08:32
More, it's not wildland necessarily, but it's a more natural, it's contiguous field. 01:08:38
But yeah, you hit a. 01:08:43
A warm day in August with goodwill. 01:08:45
And buyers get. 01:08:48
Right, those things happen. 01:08:50
That this is addressing something specific. 01:08:52
And we're at the very direct with. 01:08:54
With how we should be doing it more, should we be doing again, I emphasize. 01:08:57
I communicate that side of it, but it's the legislative body here. 01:09:02
In chapter 3, they're very clear that. 01:09:05
Did you guys the final map? 01:09:08
In the map we're defining and where we apply the building. 01:09:10
There's nothing to do with. 01:09:13
Yeah, that's not even serious out of your control. 01:09:15
The states put that direct, put back in forward, put that responsibility on the county. 01:09:19
And then the county is going to figure out how to. 01:09:24
Bring, you know, so we have to, we have to do this by January. 01:09:29
1st to be compliant with. 01:09:33
So. So we have to adopt. 01:09:35
Howard Knapp and. 01:09:37
Adopt A map and Title 13 changes. 01:09:39
The code and we also thought. 01:09:43
Code in title 13 that addresses. 01:09:46
The building code depending on which. 01:09:49
We have to do that by doing the over whatever our plan, we decide. 01:09:52
And said the Planning Commission is going to. 01:09:56
Aren't talking about this on Tuesday. In advance of that we wanted to make sure. 01:09:58
You were all aware of that. 01:10:03
This is something. 01:10:06
Be a really big deal for people in those areas. 01:10:07
And then we were looking for some guidance about. 01:10:12
These other the areas that might glue on the staff. 01:10:15
Said what happens in a light plane. 01:10:19
And we can even have that later, right? Absolutely. 01:10:25
Every three years in the toe book it says with it even if you want to do more, but you could amend that. 01:10:29
That matter every three years if you wanted to. 01:10:35
I'll give you some historical perspective. Harriman did his. 01:10:38
Did a big map in 2017. 01:10:42
Not a lot of homes will necessarily build in that area. 01:10:44
But the the. 01:10:48
Build after that. 01:10:49
Math adoption and code adoption. 01:10:51
Because you could have standards. 01:10:54
When he looked at a lot of the townhomes in that area and different stuff and they are already meeting those standards again. 01:10:55
They have an asphalt roof which is in here. 01:11:03
They have non combustible gutters and they have. 01:11:05
Plenty of defensible space, so they're meeting that standard. 01:11:08
I built my home in. 01:11:11
In that area. 01:11:12
In 2013, before the adoption, 2017. 01:11:13
So my building standard was different. 01:11:19
And I don't know unless my. 01:11:22
At a later date not attached to the map in the building code if I'm assessed by the state or state through the county which I 01:11:25
anticipate. 01:11:29
Then in a conversation with me. 01:11:33
Dismantling all my wifes beautiful pine trees is going to be. 01:11:35
Yeah. And that's the other component that you need to make sure that you consider is that you do have. 01:11:39
You can be sustainability plan. 01:11:45
Oh, and with that? 01:11:47
Defensible space. 01:11:50
Congruent to that. 01:11:51
That's tricky so that if we adopt this map. 01:11:52
The code that's put in place in title 13 will apply to every home inside the light blue area. 01:11:58
And the dark blue. The light blue is an option if you wanted to the dark blue. 01:12:04
It seems to hand. Don't take. 01:12:09
Oh, right. W that I think, well, I guess one question I'd have is that. 01:12:11
I look at where the light blue is. 01:12:17
And it seems to me like almost everything West of there should be in there. It's all. 01:12:20
Like where? Cottonwood Langos. 01:12:25
Yeah. What we haven't included then? 01:12:29
Their methodology was. 01:12:32
Either areas they're either on. 01:12:34
Very long. Very. 01:12:36
Narrow private lines here. 01:12:38
Horrible turn around. So it's more of an accessibility issue, not. 01:12:40
A tree can be. 01:12:44
Yeah, so I included would be. 01:12:46
Public that would have. So yeah. 01:12:49
And and we have better fire flow. 01:12:51
Hydrants. No, it's not. 01:12:54
It's really just Locker. 01:12:56
He said he's gonna walk. 01:12:58
So but I guess. 01:13:02
I'm glad you brought that up so. 01:13:04
Tell me how? 01:13:06
The physical space requirements would conflict with the tree Kennedy. 01:13:07
Canopy because that's the. 01:13:10
Area where it's. 01:13:12
Pre county insurance. 01:13:14
So we want all of our heads chopped off. 01:13:16
They have to. 01:13:21
Really. Pattern and tree canopy sustainability. 01:13:23
The post reasoned to me, even though there's some of you just can't. 01:13:26
But if they're within the dispensable space. 01:13:29
We're going to have a requirement to have it moved regardless to say that. 01:13:32
Attribute protection plan. 01:13:36
Requires them to be kept. Now what you can do? 01:13:38
Is trying to relocate them. 01:13:41
I mean the plan essentially. 01:13:43
Assumes that anti sustainability. 01:13:45
Those fees that are removed have to be replaced someplace else. 01:13:48
So you don't lose. 01:13:51
Can't be in itself overtime. 01:13:53
So they would just need to. 01:13:55
Assuming we did this, they would need to. 01:13:57
Move trees if they're in the defensible space, and then. 01:14:00
Replant and the replant trees. 01:14:05
Further from the river. 01:14:07
Further from the building. 01:14:08
But still within that property. 01:14:10
Yes, but only if they're building a limo. 01:14:12
Yes. 01:14:15
That's how I don't underst. 01:14:16
Thank you anytime this. 01:14:18
I think it's more than the. 01:14:21
With more than 20%, I promise. 01:14:26
New additions and properties. Yeah, so. 01:14:28
And how big is white colors? How big is my business space? 01:14:32
Cable 603.2 moderate hazard, so let's say. 01:14:36
And this is more referencing. 01:14:40
In that SCS work on one of the less in my. 01:14:43
My feet if I wanted to meet the standard moderate hazard, which I would qualify without seeing exactly what's going to be 01:14:47
promulgated. 01:14:51
Would be 30 feet. 01:14:55
I have no tree within 32 high hazard. 01:14:57
If we were in that, and again I would probably bomb that into the higher as he has scored maybe 7 to 8 would be 50 feet. 01:15:01
Extreme hazard, which would be. 01:15:08
7:00 to 10:00 somewhere in there would be that 100 feet. 01:15:12
That these are the four. 01:15:16
Which what would be. 01:15:18
This is actually, and that's where I look at the building official and say how do you interpret it? 01:15:20
And I bet you you do it as a. 01:15:26
Early for me. 01:15:28
Error again, as I've been saying, might be 25 is 30 feet. 01:15:30
There were previous City Council having a similar conversation in 2017. 01:15:36
We've been a different role at that time. 01:15:44
Felt felt like they could not make that decision. 01:15:49
And that's part of the reason we're bringing it back. 01:15:53
To you just to see that. 01:15:55
You are so different. 01:15:57
So I actually have a question for Todd. 01:15:59
With everything that's happened in California and. 01:16:03
If we. 01:16:06
Say no, we're not going to adopt this. Could it come back to the city like you didn't create? 01:16:07
Effective protected codes if I mean assuming there was a fire that happened in. 01:16:13
Right. But in the white building, yeah, the white bloom area. 01:16:19
And we but we didn't adopt this. 01:16:23
These building codes. 01:16:25
Could that come back and say we were negligent because we recognized that there was some level of risk? 01:16:28
And we? 01:16:34
Chose not to act. 01:16:35
I think you have. 01:16:36
Fairly strong protection under the Governmental Immunity Act for. 01:16:38
A decision that's. 01:16:42
Discretionary within your legislative role. 01:16:45
I can't. I don't know that I can evaluate that fully right now. We haven't had a question like that in the Utah Governmental 01:16:48
Immunity Act. 01:16:52
You haven't seen. 01:16:56
I I would not. 01:16:59
Expect you. 01:17:00
In a good current liability for the city based on. 01:17:02
I made a slight decision. Unless it's only arbitrary. 01:17:05
You know and. 01:17:09
The maps you're looking at now and the way the. 01:17:11
The maps have been drawn the lines you're trying to draw for risk. 01:17:14
Unless you were sort of wholesale ignoring. 01:17:19
Yeah, I wouldn't expect liability to fall on you. 01:17:23
Where you're looking at the situation between your light blue and your dark blue. 01:17:27
You look at the risk factors on. 01:17:31
You know the difference between the dark blue and the light blue lion? 01:17:33
It's tough for me to say that that would be an issue, a place where you would incur liability. 01:17:36
If you're ignoring the orange lines. 01:17:41
You know, yeah, I mean, we can start that different conversations about that, but. 01:17:44
You're drawing sign distinctions with a lot of policy implications. 01:17:49
And I just don't have. 01:17:53
The sense that that's likely to result in liability on the city. 01:17:56
For that kind of resistance. 01:18:00
The state resource reimbursement, yeah. 01:18:03
Is that so? We. 01:18:06
In there according to the URAP map 5 and above. 01:18:09
It's it's solely centered around adopting A wooly boundary map. 01:18:14
The direction kind of the finite details. 01:18:19
And the training that I've received from the state is. 01:18:22
S s score in five and above this direction. 01:18:24
Like this? 01:18:30
And then follow the yellow for example about that is our map and that would be breaks out down below. 01:18:31
You're still covered it it. 01:18:38
If and I guess. 01:18:40
That would be more of. 01:18:43
A fire knot in the urban interface if it was below right? 01:18:44
I mean, it may run a couple properties, but it's not going to take off through. 01:18:48
Area that is open city property that integrates into the foothills. 01:18:53
But what is in there is captured in a map. 01:18:57
If you're 5 and above. 01:19:01
And you're coming there as far as? 01:19:03
The the cooperative agreement that you're already in, So the cooperative read though. 01:19:05
Covers. 01:19:10
Only the five of the buttons. 01:19:13
Or no. 01:19:14
Let's say you said I don't want to do this. I want to capture all the eights through tenants. 01:19:16
And I wanted to do that. 01:19:27
You would still be in. 01:19:28
In line with House Bill 48. 01:19:30
Again, the direction I have is the title for the state benefit of the entitled state benefit if you said. 01:19:33
Be fine but. 01:19:39
These are probably by. 01:19:40
Weights fast gas is probably going to be in that 7 range. 01:19:42
And that's a guess just looking at the graph and Kimberly reading. 01:19:46
Reading through. 01:19:49
What I'm seeing? 01:19:50
I don't think you're asking if there's a fire in an unadopted area and you're between. 01:19:52
Not we still parry life for the state funding reimbursement. So if there's a fire below. 01:19:58
2:15 and it runs across 215. 01:20:04
And if it gets up in the hills? 01:20:07
We, yours, we still qualify for that. 01:20:08
Or even defensive concerns about? 01:20:11
And even if our, even if our maps didn't include, didn't include that. 01:20:15
Came in the holiday. 01:20:21
You. 01:20:22
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2 questions for John. 01:20:25
Why did you not include those? 01:20:29
Houses on the West. 01:20:32
Inside the northwest side, there the blue that are part of the darker yellow. 01:20:34
Yeah, yeah. So. 01:20:40
Yeah, that's my first question. And then why did did you include kind of big area, I mean, just because there's nothing there in 01:20:42
that area right there? 01:20:46
But. 01:20:50
OK, so who's the Bank of the golf course? Once we grab that parcel from the select tool, it just. 01:20:53
And pills in him. 01:20:59
That goes all the way. But why did you include them in the dark blue instead of making that light blue simply going straight to 01:21:01
the wall? 01:21:06
Picking up more homes that would not be. 01:21:15
So this is more of a. 01:21:20
Decision. It's really how strict this city wants to be in terms of our code. 01:21:22
That decision. And so what's the policy decision you're looking for us as it writes that map. 01:21:27
Are you interested in? 01:21:33
Staying with. 01:21:35
Only 5 and above, and that would include as we're interpreting it, but. 01:21:37
Dark blue there is. 01:21:41
Or are you interested in expanding? 01:21:43
The the definition of interface and including that light blue area, that's the only question really is that light blue area? Yeah. 01:21:47
And there are a couple of other like blue areas. 01:21:53
Is that what is that if we agree with that? 01:21:59
How the dark blue is gone? 01:22:03
So that's an election, but. 01:22:05
1st we want to get with. 01:22:06
How do you feel about this? 01:22:09
Option B. 01:22:11
The lighten up areas and so cheating away. We say that and. 01:22:12
Previous Council. 01:22:15
Not only they didn't want to do that. 01:22:16
They they weren't dealing with this legislation, so they weren't. 01:22:19
They were dealing with the doctrine of the wound. 01:22:23
OK. 01:22:26
Yes, it's still looking. 01:22:29
It's really smooth as far as like the dark blue area. We have to act on that pretty quickly. We do. 01:22:35
'Cause like I. 01:22:41
I'm not ready to make a decision kind of where I'm because. 01:22:43
I'm concerned about. 01:22:48
The verdict on property owners and and new. 01:22:51
And dealing with the tree canopy and all that. I think I was pleased to hear the tip, but. 01:22:55
I've had people, and even to the West of their. 01:23:00
In fact, somebody who was like, tell me when you're talking about fires because I'm really concerned, especially after that fire. 01:23:03
In Mill Creek, December. 01:23:10
And they were concerned with. 01:23:12
A parallel issue of just. 01:23:14
Non maintained lots. They overgrown. They overgrown and everything but. 01:23:17
I'm hearing a lot. 01:23:22
More people. 01:23:23
Reaching out to me about. 01:23:24
Fire concerns too, so I. 01:23:25
I wonder if we can explore this more and. 01:23:28
Get some feedback from the community on what it would like I mean. 01:23:30
Because I don't feel like I have a good sense of people are more concerned. 01:23:35
About umm. 01:23:38
Fire Protection a fire codes or if they're more concerned like. 01:23:40
When I remodel my house, it's going to be a huge pain to move a tree. I don't feel like I have a good sense on that, but. 01:23:44
I think this is a really important questions to be asking. 01:23:49
So it sounds like what you're suggesting it's moving forward with an adoption of something 5 and above now and then having a more 01:23:51
complete. 01:23:55
Engagement process over the next. 01:24:00
Say a year and a half. 01:24:02
That's not 5 and above or less if there's something like that section there of. 01:24:03
You know where Wallace is, for example, if you feel like. And that's where, yeah, that that would get I I agree with Emily on 01:24:09
this. I'm just a little bit concerned about. 01:24:14
Continuing to add. 01:24:19
Burden to property owners and staff for that matter, we just. 01:24:21
Thought that the lighting ordinance would. 01:24:25
Canopy ordinance, all these things we're putting in the. 01:24:27
But I do have a question about the light blue areas. 01:24:30
North where Neffs Creek is and Spring Creek. 01:24:34
Those have been identified as light blue. 01:24:37
Those might be a little bit different conversation, I mean. 01:24:40
Is there a more higher propensity for fire to get into those waterways? 01:24:44
Doing. I don't know about getting into them, but at least. 01:24:50
Moving quickly through that, yeah, yes, I don't know if that's a different conversation than the urban area right here. 01:24:54
Both sort of. 01:25:04
Question of the rest vegetation. 01:25:07
That's what being different. 01:25:09
Yeah, I mean, but also. 01:25:13
By not adopting the code those areas doesn't mean that. 01:25:16
The people who build and remodel their. 01:25:21
Can't adopt those building standards anyway. 01:25:24
As a choice as opposed to being. 01:25:26
The mouse we're talking about. 01:25:29
Wealthy. Sophisticated. 01:25:31
Ivan Builders. 01:25:34
But I'm OK right now personally with the five and up that you've proposed with, you know? 01:25:36
Because you, you said, Chief, that we could revisit this in a few years too. 01:25:41
Many Facebook it gives you a. 01:25:47
With your fire cone official and in. 01:25:51
Consensus with the forestry, fire and state lands. 01:25:53
You can revisit this in a man. 01:25:57
And then the matic after more factor less it doesn't. 01:25:59
Articulate anything else so. 01:26:03
You sent out a postcard to. Is it everybody in the? 01:26:06
The orange and red area or is it everybody in the blue areas? 01:26:10
Oh, 851. 01:26:15
So maybe in their? 01:26:17
And you gotta know about next. 01:26:18
Tuesday so. 01:26:20
I mean, maybe if you can share with us that data on a kind of comments that you're getting, I think that could be really helpful. 01:26:22
First knowing about. 01:26:27
And I think it's. 01:26:29
At least, especially. 01:26:30
Where I'm having the questions for my blueberry. 01:26:31
What more people are thinking about? 01:26:35
Sure, and I think the. 01:26:38
Hi, Michelle. Probably. 01:26:40
It would be helpful to understand. 01:26:43
Where the Council's leading to which? 01:26:46
Like but now on the overlay is going to be interested in having a recommendation on. 01:26:48
OK, aren't we saying? 01:26:53
Let's see the dark blue for now and then, yeah. 01:26:56
Well, I think that's the dark blue. 01:27:00
I find it analysis if you. 01:27:03
It is 5. 01:27:06
No, no, isn't the. 01:27:08
The five? Yeah, it was 4. 01:27:10
You know the dark yellow. 01:27:12
Awesome. Yeah, see this. 01:27:14
Stephanie Yeah. 01:27:15
You need to stand here, right? 01:27:20
That's 567, yeah. So 5 and up would be that dark yellow band in the past. 01:27:21
Was picking up quite a bit there on that southwest corner. 01:27:26
And it's all made aside against the. 01:27:30
So that is not fine. 01:27:34
Right. So hillside. 01:27:37
That doesn't include homes. 01:27:40
That long narrow stood for the. 01:27:42
Oh yes, the part of our challenge is also trying to explain. 01:27:45
And that is why you're seeing some of those additional. 01:27:51
Office or who's got it? 01:27:53
Oh, Wallace Lane boundaries. 01:27:55
Which is considered a best practice finding a geographical? 01:27:57
I see physique implications or? 01:28:01
Or a river or something like that and. 01:28:04
Capturing that just so your citizenry can understand. So you're saying. 01:28:06
Rather, the best practice is to take the yellow and then use that as a guide, but then use. 01:28:10
Streets or other geographic features that's the best practice is to. 01:28:15
Make it easy for the. 01:28:21
Populations. 01:28:22
If it's capturing some infrastructure that you want to identify it at this point and above would be great. 01:28:24
Or if you want to capture it off of a waterway. 01:28:30
Chairman, for example, captured it off of Mountain View corridor. 01:28:33
They just said if anything above here and anything above MLN drive. 01:28:37
And absolutely dead but the blue. 01:28:41
Right. We literally usually have a conversation between two neighboring properties saying you are in five. I'm not. 01:28:43
Because look, because you look at that dark yellow and you have like next door neighbors that are in it just extended it, all 01:28:49
right. 01:28:52
But but we could say the dark yellow. 01:28:55
Down to I took the scene for example. 01:28:58
Right. Well, that would be milk, but yes. 01:29:00
Now. 01:29:05
This this is what you got so that. 01:29:08
So now OK. 01:29:10
So like. 01:29:13
All of this right here. Well, let's see. 01:29:14
I just wrestled with him right, so this is getting ended 75 but. 01:29:16
Is there a reason to drop the low I215 necessarily? I guess is my question. 01:29:20
The purposes of satisfying our you know, our December 31st deadline. 01:29:24
Yeah, 2:15 is a massive if the objective is to protect them. 01:29:28
Why not? Why don't interface? 01:29:32
And the mountain side and Mount Olympus and all of that. 01:29:34
2:15. 01:29:38
So that's a massive fire. 01:29:40
Fire starting on property which they can't control or get to. 01:29:48
They're moving down into the. 01:29:51
As Ben has come up at least a few times the best. 01:29:54
So coming down off the way to the field, I said West. 01:29:57
Person, which is fine, but that risk is there. 01:30:01
Isn't it like? 01:30:04
In lots of pockets throughout this and that's why we included in the drug. 01:30:06
That you can eliminate it or not manage yourself to it. 01:30:09
Have that conversation with neighbors. 01:30:13
On that same street with looking at their backyards having the exact same scenario. 01:30:15
Yeah. 01:30:19
I might think. 01:30:25
Look at first meaning that's the center 31st bed, or deadline rather. 01:30:27
And then having further discussion meeting for the Republican, Yeah. So I think that she will give you that input and we'll have a 01:30:32
summary from the target. 01:30:35
You know when they make a recommendation, you can still. 01:30:39
Right, we find it from. 01:30:43
I think it's really important to make very clear what that practically means, right? So if there's something else in the military. 01:30:45
These three foot setbacks and. 01:30:50
Whatever else, I think because housing affordability is the issue. 01:30:52
Yes, there's people with, there's also a lot of people with that that don't have a lot of money in some in some areas, yeah, some 01:30:56
of these areas up along here, right. My previous point was specifically about the state areas. 01:31:02
The white, blue. 01:31:09
State areas, but. 01:31:10
But even the dark blue that's, you know, I mean, it's not that's not within that was a different standard, so. 01:31:11
So. 01:31:19
My personal take is as far as like December 30. 01:31:21
What that doing something to us? 01:31:24
5 or greater, that's above. 01:31:26
A massive fire break like I took the scene or something. 01:31:29
And then as far as I find the building code. 01:31:33
I can find it elsewhere. 01:31:36
We'll see what the vibration you know. 01:31:38
What other thing but aside I guess. 01:31:40
Whatever I do, there is nothing about. 01:31:43
We'll have another discussion after. Absolutely. OK. So we don't definitely decide and again, we're a lot, a lot more about. 01:31:46
Practically speaking, what does that mean? It's just to those people. 01:31:53
Right. Well, yeah, absolutely. Conversation will definitely count. Dan is especially following. 01:31:56
We just wanted to make sure that there was absolutely an area you did not want the Planning Commission to consider at all 01:32:02
whatsoever. 01:32:06
Next week. 01:32:11
Not considered as part of the regulation. It's part of the. 01:32:13
Immigration, It sounds like we want to take the light blue out. 01:32:16
And but also but also give them the guidance. 01:32:20
That and I don't think we need to go through right here. 01:32:24
But also give them the guidance that we had a lot, lot of discussion about. It makes a lot of sense to have. 01:32:26
Some kind of identifiable. 01:32:31
Structure or geographic element? 01:32:35
For Barry, so it's not confusion about. 01:32:37
You're in your neighbor across the street. It's not, and it's. 01:32:40
Residential neighborhood. 01:32:43
That there's some. 01:32:45
Delineation there like I 215. 01:32:47
So you've already sent out the. 01:32:49
Postcards to the light blue area. 01:32:51
So I would be. 01:32:53
Even though this is for a later discussion, I would be interested in knowing what they think. If they're more like oh I'm so glad 01:32:55
we're protecting this or oh, this is very onerous for him, I would love to. 01:33:00
Well, that's going to the. 01:33:04
Planning Commission, they're going to have a public hearing and then we're going to have a public hearing. So we'll get. 01:33:06
One, I think you're just looking to try to give something to the Planning Commission. 01:33:11
That reflects where. 01:33:16
If council generally is on this, so we're just not. 01:33:17
I think that's in theory we could have our we could adopt it minus the step back portion or something. 01:33:21
Is that correct? 01:33:29
Like we could. Could we tweak it or? 01:33:30
You know, so that it's not at odds with our tree campus. 01:33:37
No, no, those pills like Iman. 01:33:42
Is that what you're talking about? 01:33:46
Yeah, moving the defensible stationary, right. 01:33:47
I mean I guess wait, I think he might be saying is he'd do 2 over like areas. So one that is like strictly interpretation. 01:33:51
You have sense in minds. 01:34:03
Zone, yeah, which has different standards, yeah. 01:34:05
Perhaps the discussions are not the partisan. 01:34:11
Just sure. 01:34:23
I live right on the West side. 01:34:26
So I won't be advising on this issue. 01:34:28
Very tightly begets to those kind of questions another one of the partners in my office. 01:34:32
Public advice. 01:34:36
We'll take this kind of carried out a little. 01:34:38
Piece for your. 01:34:43
OK, I. 01:34:51
Have you got what you need, John? 01:34:53
I don't think you're supposed to leave though. 01:34:55
Sorry. 01:34:58
Thanks for that. The Chief can then you guys are going to look for it now, right for assignment on the road. Anytime you need 01:35:01
money, you'll have me and I do want to compliment your liaison. 01:35:05
He's jumping all over me to get to get answers about this. So he was very assertive in his. 01:35:11
And it's engaged, but. 01:35:18
Thank you for everything. 01:35:22
OK, you gotta hold on just a minute. I gotta try and get Delaney in. 01:35:27
She's probably been sitting there going where is everybody? 01:35:31
Let's see. 01:35:34
Oh, no, I don't know where customers are. Thank you. 01:36:04
I don't know what my password is. 01:36:28
And the neighborhood, that site. 01:36:34
So I. 01:36:48
Like. 01:36:51
It's not in the reaction, despite the fear that we don't have to work absolutely it. 01:36:53
Protect your area, which makes sense. 01:37:05
Otherwise. 01:37:13
1600. 01:37:16
Known as a sound bar that's always been regulated. 01:37:22
That, let me say, clean up their stuff though. 01:37:25
That went over and. 01:37:35
Yeah. And it was exactly that. It was exactly that. 01:37:44
You sorry. 01:37:50
Do you have a phone number for Delaney or anything? 01:37:53
Do you want to see if you? 01:37:55
Yeah. 01:37:57
But she's not on there. 01:38:00
I think we have the US. 01:38:01
I go to the UF. 01:38:04
It's John. 01:38:21
Trying to get you on. 01:38:22
Oh yeah, we just, we went long on the previous discussion. 01:38:29
I appreciate the help because now we know. 01:38:38
SMS Father. 01:38:43
It was very. 01:38:47
How are you good feeling? 01:38:51
Good, good. Sorry I couldn't give you an answer to a question. I looked at the candidates and I thought I don't recommend 01:38:52
anything. So did you read the BIOS? 01:38:56
The Emperor District board? Sure I did. 01:39:05
Just of course I did. Reminder. Well, I don't even ask me that. 01:39:09
Yeah, for the district. 01:39:14
I did once I was helping, I didn't need. 01:39:25
All the ones. 01:39:30
Makashi Harris. 01:39:32
There you go. 01:39:34
Yeah, OK, great. Hopefully you got audio one too. 01:39:38
Mitzi Harris. 01:39:43
So the. 01:39:44
I can hear myself under we can at least start talking about this so you can you can just. 01:39:45
Set the table here I think the. 01:39:50
What we talked about was. 01:39:52
Even though this hasn't gone to the Planning Commission yet right for their public hearing. 01:39:54
That right, John? We are in our third reading with it. 01:39:58
OK. 01:40:01
But. 01:40:02
Where we're trying to, we want to get this through the City Council and passed by the end of the calendar. That's the goal, right? 01:40:03
So we thought it would be it probably time well spent. 01:40:10
To at least. 01:40:13
Because I'm assuming that where you're at right now with the Planning Commission is you're you've got to have a complete document, 01:40:15
I'm assuming. 01:40:18
And so it wouldn't hurt us to get a little ahead of the game here and at least get. 01:40:22
Kind of your overview on where we're at with the general plan. 01:40:26
And, umm. 01:40:29
You know, get the City Council going. 01:40:31
Not wait till it's through the Planning Commission completely start now. 01:40:33
I mean, I can get an intro to that, but I'll probably steal Delaney. I'll just turn it over to you guys. 01:40:37
That was that was my recollection of what? 01:40:43
So I think. 01:40:51
Actually, maybe you should refer to John Technical stuff engagement, So. 01:40:58
So generally what we've done is. 01:41:05
Initiated this process. 01:41:08
Over several Snapchat. 01:41:13
Open Shepherds game. 01:41:15
Some public input on various topics. 01:41:17
Generally what we're trying to do is, is update the general plan. 01:41:20
So that a lot of the terminology is is in my mistake law. 01:41:24
It becomes a little bit more readable and approachable to a lot of different audiences. 01:41:29
Public development side and the legislative side like Express City. 01:41:34
So those engagement opportunities has created a lot of concepts that have been incorporated in this update. 01:41:40
A full draft has been created and the Planning Commission has gone through. 01:41:48
Get that draft chapter by chapter. 01:41:54
And they're creating. That's about what I'm foreseeing right now is three sets of different comments. 01:41:56
One that's generated by the public. 01:42:03
Ones that are maybe policy. 01:42:06
Related concerns that are going to be recommended to the City Council. 01:42:09
You sort of consider as as a different. 01:42:14
Direction than the original general plan has been early this off. 01:42:16
And then there's some minor edits and updates to what the plan has. 01:42:21
So. 01:42:28
Maybe go on to the next. 01:42:30
Slide 7. 01:42:31
And so here's what the. 01:42:35
Phase one was building a foundation down there, all the information. 01:42:38
Human vision exercises. 01:42:43
Definite opportunities. 01:42:45
And we're now at Stage 3. You've got. 01:42:47
Normally draft plans. 01:42:49
Federal Planning Commission. 01:42:51
It's in the process of public review will be shortened. 01:42:54
And so we're. 01:42:58
And that's what the strategy I was going to. 01:43:00
Personal side note, one of the things we're going to talk about here is a slide. 01:43:02
What are we changing? I was on the Planning Commission when the current plan was adopted. 01:43:06
And there's not a great deal of change in terms of overall policy. 01:43:11
Vision Objectives. 01:43:15
As John said, the name changes have really. 01:43:17
To comply with state law. 01:43:20
And the next document more usable. 01:43:21
Some of there's I think the city's still on pretty much the same track in Iran in 2016. 01:43:24
In terms of where we want to go. 01:43:30
Next slide. 01:43:34
If Delaney able to join us or? 01:43:38
She was there, she was there. I don't know if she can hear us. 01:43:40
I think it's access to audio and video. Can you hear me? 01:43:44
Yeah, OK, awesome. 01:43:50
I can hear you guys. Could you laugh? 01:43:53
Secondly, I can't see the video. 01:43:55
Or that a 5 steps? 01:43:57
So you did exactly well at moment. 01:43:59
Ross, yeah, on slide 3. 01:44:03
I mean. 01:44:09
Not the graphic, but the next. 01:44:10
Foundation is the. 01:44:13
The project overview site. 01:44:15
Yes. Umm. 01:44:17
Great. OK, so. 01:44:18
The next slide, Stephanie? 01:44:21
Project support is also a project over this slide and you will. 01:44:24
I think you've seen this slide before. I can talk about it the last time we started to see about the general plan. 01:44:28
And this you'll see is the engagement opportunities that we had throughout the OR throughout the update. 01:44:35
And so you can see we had three events or sets of events. 01:44:42
And then we had four opportunities for people to engage online, three kind of questionnaires and then one opportunity for people 01:44:46
to actually respond to the draft. 01:44:50
Plan which has been available since. 01:44:55
And then my next. 01:44:58
Wright, Stephanie. 01:45:03
Mohammed's houses really quickly about. 01:45:06
Sandy Harris. 01:45:53
Jessie Lynch. 01:48:54
Stephen Douglas. 01:49:00
So. 01:50:29
Skip. 01:56:05
Versus. 01:56:13
But. 01:57:40
Sioux City. 01:57:59
Children's tips. 01:58:54
So really I had a question about removing the professional office commercial. 01:59:13
People just. 01:59:19
Just went into that. 01:59:21
So I feel bad for him. Well, I I feel like it's. 01:59:24
It's an important zone to provide a buffer between more commercial areas and neighborhoods. 01:59:27
Because those mixed office commercials are really like. 01:59:34
They're commercial, but they're very low impact. 01:59:38
And low umm. 01:59:41
There's not a lot going on. It's not loud. 01:59:43
And so it it provides a really good. 01:59:46
Buffer for those areas where we currently have that zone. 01:59:49
I think that the neighborhoods abutting that really appreciate. 01:59:54
Having that. 01:59:57
Kind of. 01:59:59
Buffer zoning before you get into. 02:00:00
Restaurants and other things that are more. 02:00:03
High density mountains or intense use? They can. 02:00:08
And I so I. 02:00:12
I I kind of would like to keep that. 02:00:15
I agree. 02:00:18
Support system is I mean. 02:00:22
What is the professional office zone which would have been previously the RMU? 02:00:25
I'm sorry, we are Amazon included. 02:00:31
Family and officers, right? This doesn't get you rid of the zone. This is the new necessity, the general land use categories. 02:00:35
Where a pedo is on the stove fit in. 02:00:43
One of those categories, but outside. 02:00:45
You're not getting into the zone. 02:00:48
Understood. I thought those four people that just came in over the past year and. 02:00:52
Something changed, so let's explain that again so it's. 02:01:00
What language does this make sure your category placeholders that. 02:01:05
That a lot of. 02:01:09
Of your. 02:01:10
There are places, there's lightning zones themselves. 02:01:12
So for example commercial can include C1C2 and African commercial other types of zones. 02:01:15
They're available in this general area. 02:01:20
Professional officers still have PO for you to be available to use in that. 02:01:24
That area as a tool to buffer. 02:01:28
So you're just as you're saying that professional office rather than being an overarching category is still going to be a zone 02:01:30
within the category of commercial? 02:01:34
Right. 02:01:38
OK. Can you get very specific in line use description of the dental plan, you kind of lose some flexibility of applying other 02:01:39
zones? 02:01:43
Some generalized as lands districts a little bit. 02:01:49
This is one of the things that historically has been an issue when we get into. 02:01:51
General plan analysis. 02:01:56
Start debating on what. 02:01:57
And actually if it was random. 02:02:00
That's right. You mean for you? 02:02:02
As a tool to apply. 02:02:04
OK, so keeping the 11. 02:02:05
Then we're blurry. 02:02:07
But we're not getting rid of it as as a possibility. OK, I'm good. 02:02:10
Not messaging 6000. 02:02:14
Yeah. 02:02:16
Thank you. 02:02:19
Hey. 02:02:23
So was tonight and introd. 02:02:42
To it and then there will be an opportunity and. 02:02:44
After we've digested it more, I'm hoping that this is the case anyway. 02:02:47
Just to go back to that, this is. 02:02:52
Just an overview of where we are in the process and the planet which is looking at her. 02:02:54
But it should be coming to you very soon. 02:03:00
I'm looking very. 02:03:02
Because we would love. 02:03:04
This Council to adopt the. 02:03:06
The General. 02:03:10
Team meeting Wednesday. 02:03:12
And immediately. 02:03:14
It's Thursday. We're already getting. 02:03:15
Work profits back from. 02:03:17
Yeah, well. 02:03:20
Yeah. 02:03:22
Is that the end? 02:03:23
No, OK. 02:03:27
Yes, thank you. 02:03:55
Again. 02:04:27
You know so. 02:04:45
Bexhill. 02:04:48
Twisted. 02:04:59
Jensen, Thompson. 02:05:47
Saudi Lawson. 02:05:51
Tisu Pharmaceutical. 02:08:12
1066. 02:08:23
Mitzi. 02:10:54
Thanks darling. 02:16:08
Hello, so we one thing that I'm going to we didn't want to get concerned one of the. 02:16:13
Three committee members have seen this, but it's the interactive. 02:16:19
Orally so the plan document will have links. 02:16:23
To portal and. 02:16:26
People can get into the portal and do research. 02:16:29
On average home prices in the neighborhood. 02:16:32
Or you know US. Or. 02:16:35
All kinds of data. 02:16:38
It's as I said, it's interactive so that. 02:16:40
Folkestone ask questions that they've got and do their own research. 02:16:43
That's my first thought of it was pretty cool. 02:16:48
Yeah, that's a nice brand new that I really haven't seen for you instead, it's not the static document that's historically, it's 02:16:51
more. 02:16:54
Like using American textbook? 02:16:57
It is also much more differently. I just want to. 02:16:59
Really grateful to. 02:17:03
Delaney and everybody at Logan Sims and you guys have really just done a fantastic job. 02:17:04
But it's these guys, yeah. 02:17:09
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean. 02:17:12
So going back to what you said, Jim and I went through this with you 10 years ago. 02:17:15
So I know how much and the work. 02:17:20
Who was that? Was it Emily and Paul? 02:17:22
On the committee, how much work that's taken, but. 02:17:25
My sense is based on your leading comment and really. 02:17:27
Kind of the closing. 02:17:32
Visioning statements that haven't changed much from. 02:17:33
10 years ago to now. 02:17:36
But it's my channel. 02:17:38
Impression. Really. 02:17:41
People who live in. 02:17:43
Still see it pretty much the same way they did 10 years ago. 02:17:44
They value the same kinds of things. 02:17:48
They want to see Pauli's future develop. 02:17:52
Appropriate. They acknowledge there's going to be some change in the future. 02:17:54
But understand that at least the spiritual. 02:17:58
Most area. 02:18:01
So. 02:18:03
There's not been nice. 02:18:05
It's made dramatic change. 02:18:07
But I think one thing. 02:18:09
Princess like a chatter. 02:18:11
So you know, the planning textbook says we have a chapter. How? 02:18:13
We're just calling this all in here. 02:18:17
Because those are the words that we heard. 02:18:19
When they're rather in the community talking to people. 02:18:21
What was important? 02:18:23
So if they think. 02:18:25
Quality neighborhoods is their biggest. 02:18:27
You can see a Champer panel. 02:18:30
No, they won't. This is where. 02:18:31
My stuff lists, I don't have to. 02:18:34
Zero. Does housing cover what I'm interested in? 02:18:37
So those to me kind of changes. 02:18:40
The portal making a. 02:18:44
Sort of, you know. 02:18:46
Personal state language better than all player. 02:18:48
But yeah, I'm just, I'm just. 02:18:51
My sense is by the time the Council gets. 02:18:54
And it's gone through. 02:18:57
The committee. 02:18:59
And all the public interactions, and that's all been worked into the document that goes through the Planning Commission. 02:19:02
Then by the time we get it. 02:19:09
Because it's. 02:19:10
It's it's not a non contract, they're not going to be non controversial changes. 02:19:11
To the document. 02:19:17
I don't sense that we're going to have a lot of. 02:19:19
If we have anything to say, it's going to be probably minor tweaks to it by the time we get it. 02:19:21
I don't want to stick to the account, but that's kind of my. 02:19:28
One of the room steering committee. 02:19:31
Really. Yeah, hold up their sleeves. And yeah, you got to take that. 02:19:33
All the hard work's been done by the type against us and all the. 02:19:36
Major issues have been worked through and decided and I just don't. 02:19:40
So by the time we get it and go to public hearing on the 20th. 02:19:44
I don't see it as being a lot of. 02:19:48
Issues we're going to have to deal with sports. 02:19:51
Is that, is that a good estimate of the unique number of holiday residents that provided input And there's that survey. 02:19:54
Want something that's something that happened? 02:20:02
Is there like a total there's? 02:20:04
There's no way to give an estimate about it. 02:20:06
Or yeah, that's right. That would be very interesting. 02:20:08
OK, so you make it. 02:20:13
This was with regard. 02:20:17
To how do you want to? 02:20:19
How? Thank you, Prosper. 02:20:21
It's a controversial project to prove it for a reason. 02:20:24
Or zoning change. 02:20:27
Some of them so at the. 02:20:31
Planning stage, It really is a challenge to get people to engage. 02:20:33
And the usual suspects of the committee. 02:20:37
You know, folks who have gotten interested in a particular aspect of life, technology. 02:20:41
They definitely jumped in. 02:20:46
We feel really good about. 02:20:47
The thoughtfulness and Brits. 02:20:50
Really the input that we've got, the numbers. 02:20:52
Like you'd not have 5 or 600 people. 02:20:56
Yeah, question. 02:21:02
Payable himself ultimately. 02:21:06
Put that together. 02:21:08
But Logan Simpson was coming together. But at least from staff's point of view. 02:21:12
Is the way that the language statistics are laid out in a very clear and concise? 02:21:16
Layout rather than having a short paragraph that the status you have to. 02:21:22
Interpret. 02:21:26
And give to City Council for legislative decision. 02:21:27
That interpretation could change from planet to plan. 02:21:30
In these scenarios, with these pages that are provided you now is. 02:21:33
It takes the owners of that analysis and it gives a very clear picture of what's being proposed. 02:21:38
What the tools you have to implement that plan? 02:21:43
Is what the impact should be. 02:21:46
By using that online portal. 02:21:48
One other question. 02:21:53
Murray Holly wrote these things. I listened. 02:21:55
Holiday health? What was that? How? The single area? 02:21:57
Have you had Smile? Yeah, I'm sure. And it wasn't about a small area. 02:22:01
Was there anything that was, was that touched on it or was that or? 02:22:07
Yes, as I recall is some. 02:22:11
Ambiguity. 02:22:13
There's also that crystal as well. Yeah, I did a little bit. One of the main concerns that the public had in that area is getting. 02:22:14
Connection between Highland Drive and N Holiday Rd. 02:22:23
Start by complaints. That really narrows up right there by a power station. 02:22:26
So what to do with? The way to go by the way is. 02:22:32
Conversation. 02:22:35
The uses that stretch between. 02:22:37
Lower Holiday Hills and the village. 02:22:40
Really didn't propose to be changed too much from office. 02:22:43
There's not the situation. It's more than an into it since. 02:22:46
The more negligibility commercial situation. 02:22:50
Those are something I. 02:22:54
Hi, Mariana said. Remember that came out from those suspects. I remember. 02:22:55
Means your point about Office appropriate development for office. 02:23:00
Not retail, that's. 02:23:04
You get over that, yeah. 02:23:06
It's a. This is working fine. 02:23:07
You try to confuses them right now. 02:23:10
We just don't want to see a lot of. 02:23:12
More intensity. 02:23:14
Especially in traffic. 02:23:16
So we have needs for parking. 02:23:17
Bryanna Bitecorn. 02:23:21
Guns it or hiding it from here down on the bike. 02:23:23
Thanks anyway. Yeah, I used to do that. 02:23:27
Well, McCann. 02:23:31
And I'm talking about classically and trail connections. You know there's still. 02:23:35
He's brought up a conversation of using. 02:23:40
Sidewalks versus in out trails versus, you know, separated trail situations. 02:23:44
We haven't heard a lot because. 02:23:48
Based upon those situations. 02:23:50
People prefer one way or another. 02:23:52
So we've we've modified slightly the way that sidewalks. 02:23:55
Addressed in the general plan, especially as new construction happens. 02:24:00
And let's send them ambiguous and when we apply those areas. 02:24:05
And then I didn't make sense. 02:24:09
Requiring sidewalks where they just simply have to. 02:24:12
Anywhere. 02:24:15
Wine Millions of mounds sleep with festive struggle. 02:24:17
So we've modified that slightly. We can get into that once it gets to. 02:24:22
OK. Well, thanks. I think that's helpful. It gives us an idea of what's coming down the Pike. 02:24:30
So I think we're still planning on the 20th for public hearing and. 02:24:37
For vote the next did we have we decided well we were thinking the public hearing on the. 02:24:41
Could we not run on the? 02:24:49
Blair But I don't know, I don't know what is the Planning Commission going to approve the? 02:24:51
Well, we're getting to them a draft by Tuesday. 02:24:58
Danette Draft. 02:25:02
Hopefully they. 02:25:04
Be able to make recommendations for the. 02:25:06
Yeah. Well, I mean, I still don't think it's going to be. 02:25:10
A very controversial document for the Council to. 02:25:13
To review. So if you're ready by the six, that's great. 02:25:16
And then the 20th. 02:25:20
Yeah, we'd be fine either way. 02:25:26
Because we're going to have to have one council meeting in December. 02:25:27
So we're playing again, too. 02:25:31
The 4th and 11th and 11th. 02:25:32
So if as one subject, we have. 02:25:36
I wonder. 02:25:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah, either right on Tuesday. 02:25:42
OK. Well, thank you very much. I'd love to let you go on. 02:25:47
Helene still there? 02:25:56
Thanks so much. Appreciate it. 02:25:58
They traveled. Thanks, Jim. 02:26:00
Good to see you again and thanks to Paul and Emily for your work on this. 02:26:03
Steering committee was amazing. Yeah, like. 02:26:07
I'll start. 02:26:11
There's an issue. 02:26:12
It would be bigger for them. 02:26:16
Maybe our lives easier. 02:26:20
We can just test things out and think. 02:26:23
More of this, a little less than that. 02:26:27
Yeah. Wait, hold on. 02:26:28
OK. Well, thank you all again. Thanks so much. Thanks for coming. 02:26:31
I guess it's the justice. This will be really brief. First of all, I have to apologize. 02:26:39
We had a little this communication and I thought that a proposed contract was in the gaming packet. It was not. 02:26:45
I'll just summarize on a pretty high level. 02:26:54
What the what we're proposing? 02:26:57
And then you'll see it hopefully for approval on the 6th. 02:27:00
What we are hoping to do with Brighton is a little different than the kind of contract structure we have. 02:27:05
With Cottonwood Heights and Mill Creek. 02:27:12
Both of those contracts are kind of the line by line through the budget. What is included in a? 02:27:15
They are expenses. 02:27:22
What is not included and it has this. 02:27:24
Fairly complicated way. 02:27:28
That we look at their revenue to make sure that we're full. 02:27:30
What we're proposing in this agreement, given that. 02:27:34
The numbers are much lower. We want to test out a different approach, one that it has been used on a couple of sitting in the 02:27:38
Davis County are using this kind of approach which is basically. 02:27:44
We get we keep 50% of the revenue that is generated by. 02:27:51
Brighten and. 02:27:57
And then return to them. 02:27:59
The other 50% and that's meant to cover their share of our staff. 02:28:02
And then all of our regular administrative costs. 02:28:08
And then we build out of. 02:28:11
Separately and directly for their prosecutor services that is based on. 02:28:13
What actually happens? 02:28:19
And the same with innovative defense. So there's no. 02:28:21
Thought that one community might be subsidizing another community. 02:28:25
I think their caseload is such that that will be pretty manageable for both the prosecutor and. 02:28:30
Defender to provide to us. 02:28:37
And and this will be a way for us to see whether this kind of approach that really airs the most expensive cost directly. 02:28:40
Would work for both Cottonwood Heights and Elm Creek. 02:28:50
So that's what we're proposing, I'm sure that philosophy with. 02:28:53
Carolee Cleveland's heading us up for writing and with their attorneys. 02:28:58
For example projection to that. 02:29:03
And so. 02:29:06
That that would be. 02:29:08
They will be OK with that concept. 02:29:10
Wanted to make sure before it was presented to you though that. 02:29:12
You look good with that concept as far. 02:29:16
It's essentially then. 02:29:19
The direct. 02:29:21
Variable costing the. 02:29:23
Prosecuting defense, that just goes to the off the top, right? 02:29:24
And then there. 02:29:28
The half of the revenue piece, essentially. 02:29:29
Their contribution were at fixed costs. That's right. 02:29:32
Chancellor, San Francisco. 02:29:36
I think all we care about is that. 02:29:38
The staff feels like they can handle it and that just not going to cuffs this moment. 02:29:41
And that's the goal. 02:29:46
Christian, you know. 02:29:47
OK, OK. 02:29:49
Just very quickly before we adjourn, I just wanted to. 02:29:51
All right, let me just come back from San Francisco. Holly, Gina and Christian, myself and Mara and. 02:29:55
I've never done it before, but I'll. 02:30:03
How much they got working? It went well and. 02:30:05
I hope they get it. 02:30:07
Peace of Mind writing, and I think we'll find out in the next 10 days or so. 02:30:08
So that was good. 02:30:13
I know that the hell was. 02:30:15
Tom, sorry. 02:30:16
Following event on Saturday, right? Is it 2:30 to 4:00? 02:30:18
2:00 to. 4:32 to. 4:30 to 2:00 to. 02:30:23
If anybody wants to be fun event, I understand. 02:30:26
238. 02:30:32
430 OK. 02:30:34
So, umm. 02:30:36
Yeah, if anybody wants to bring. 02:30:37
The grandkid or things or whatever. 02:30:39
Under that be back here. 02:30:41
I guess Anne got twice as many businesses, Let's just stand last year. So that should be. 02:30:43
And UPD got their event set up in the basement tomorrow, but I think that's just for. 02:30:48
UPD Family mortgage doesn't important. 02:30:52
They're going to keep it for us. 02:30:57
Very smart and then? 02:31:01
Interfaith Council is the 16th at 1:00, the Junior Act, so for those that are interested, it's going to be a great program again. 02:31:03
Great way to kick off the holidays. 02:31:10
Anything else in the next? 02:31:12
Yes. 02:31:15
Sorry, November 18th, we have to have a quick. 02:31:18
Campus meeting after the election. 02:31:21
So again, we'll do that 5-10 minute chemistry usually. 02:31:22
Or 430? Yeah. 02:31:27
Yeah. 02:31:29
So I'll send you guys a reminder calendar invite about that. 02:31:30
Never mind. 02:31:45
All right, it's the most. 02:31:48
Anything else? 02:31:50
All in favor. 02:31:50
I don't know. Thank you. 02:31:54
Oh, how's the 6th looking? Is it going? 02:31:57
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Let me get my little baby on the screen. 00:00:02
That's a little. 00:00:15
OK. 00:00:18
Go for it. Before I knew this was just the word meeting. 00:00:22
Conversations. 00:00:26
Once you get value filter. 00:00:28
Show up, but they're not show up. The thing they're getting to the place for. 00:00:31
Before the. 00:00:37
Filled next videos. 00:00:40
That's not recording. Mm-hmm. 00:01:15
OK, I'm going to, Emily's going to be making her way back in, but I can at least get the meeting called, the order so we can start 00:01:18
on time. 00:01:21
On October 23rd, obviously we are. 00:01:25
Just in a work session tonight for the same long items on the agenda. 00:01:29
But before we do, I have to make a couple of comments 1 I don't know if you know, but. 00:01:35
I was just talking to Drew earlier, her daughter Annie. 00:01:41
There's also a manga 3. 00:01:44
Right. 00:01:46
To qualify for. 00:01:48
Iron Man Oh, she's my daughter's hero. 00:01:49
Had finished the rest and. 00:01:54
Which is an amazing accomplishment with us. 00:01:58
Amazing. 00:02:01
So black. 00:02:03
Where does she qualify? 00:02:06
Please send. 00:02:08
That is your course. 00:02:12
And I've been off the yet. How long have I been off the FA? 00:02:15
You know the year. 00:02:18
You know my. 00:02:20
I miss that board a lot. 00:02:23
And we're really thrilled to have Chief Dirt here. Thanks for coming. 00:02:24
You know you're a busy guy. 00:02:29
Probably the. 00:02:31
Are you a holiday racing? 00:02:32
I thought so. 00:02:33
You look like a holiday resident. 00:02:35
They're doing the opposite. It's like everybody's going out to heroin. They're coming. 00:02:43
He came home and of course. 00:02:48
The chiefs, big chiefs now used to be. Remember what? You're just a little liaison to the city of Holiday. I remember where I was 00:02:51
a student in this building. Oh my God. 00:02:56
So yes. 00:03:02
So I guess we'll hear about you when we. 00:03:07
Intervene interface and kind of stun it. 00:03:11
But we're thrilled to have you back to congratulations on your appointments. 00:03:14
And then of course. 00:03:18
Captain Brown, we're bringing the board to you this time. Oh, man. 00:03:20
Well, I guess with that we'll just get right to Captain Browse with the. 00:03:26
Update where we are. 00:03:29
USA, quarterly quarter. 00:03:33
Mayor 1000 for me. 00:03:36
I know about the facility, the whole slide. 00:03:38
The first slide again this is. 00:03:41
Nothing much changes here from quarter to quarter. 00:03:44
You can see the one thing that has been consistent about is Paul has been busier. 00:03:47
One reason or another could be more of an anti population, you know we all know that. 00:03:52
On average. 00:03:57
Gains about what, 1% a year in population? But the calls. 00:03:59
Have been growing up, they just go up and we're getting busier and busier and busier. 00:04:03
And that's a that's not a U of A wide. 00:04:06
But they said just to go along these real quick, you know, it's the same. It's the, you know, you have your top five calls, you 00:04:09
talk EMS calls. 00:04:12
And then emergent couple times, so 90% of the time. 00:04:15
This doesn't count the. 00:04:20
The dispatch processing calls are the one. 00:04:22
When you call 911 it takes. 00:04:25
Right now they're having about 45 seconds. 00:04:27
To dispatch us in a 99 sort of time. 00:04:29
We get there within 8 minutes, which is actually really fast. 00:04:32
It's it's very fast, especially with. 00:04:35
One of four things associated with negated. 00:04:37
And the only other thing I'll do is. 00:04:40
Here you can see the calls in in holiday. 00:04:43
And uh. 00:04:45
Just for the funny piece, and I don't know if it's going to stick this way, but. 00:04:46
These numbers of the other people. 00:04:50
Falls in Holiday are actually down turning down a little bit as of compared to. 00:04:52
So that's a good, good thing for HO. 00:04:57
There any questions on this line? 00:05:00
So this is something, it's actually a couple slides under patent. 00:05:05
But since you an old version which is why it looks weird and this is some slides. 00:05:10
I apologize for that. 00:05:15
But umm. 00:05:16
Historically, the fire department has been. 00:05:18
Reactionary, right? 00:05:20
You call 911. 00:05:22
We go out and help and. 00:05:23
And we fix the problem. 00:05:25
Well, Fire Marshall document that is. That's here he is starting. 00:05:27
It's called the Community Risk Reduction Program. 00:05:30
Where uh. 00:05:33
The people in the fire engines, if you go out and we mitigate the problem. 00:05:35
But. 00:05:38
There can be so much more done as far as prevention and education. 00:05:39
So he's kind of started this. He started this program and he's going to put out a couple programs a year. 00:05:42
And this is the one that he just came out with and. 00:05:47
We probably all heard about this on the news about lithium ion. 00:05:49
Buyers all over the place. 00:05:53
And in fact, you know, just this year. 00:05:54
There was there was one in in terms of many. 00:05:57
Is one of the South Florida made or one Layton in June and one in Logan in September. 00:06:00
And those are attributed to lithium ion fire. 00:06:04
With the Atlantic fires and I'm not going to. 00:06:06
Read you all these slides and stuff. You can kind of go through these slides a little bit. 00:06:09
But. 00:06:13
It's educating the public on best practices for dealing with the My Islands and. 00:06:14
And to prevent fires. 00:06:19
And uh. 00:06:20
Chief Peterson always said this. He said that. 00:06:21
The best bang for your buck and making a difference. 00:06:24
Is prevention of education. 00:06:26
I mean, you can't get around. 00:06:28
Having people on the fire engines and running the calls but preventing an education. 00:06:30
Will will say the most lives in the Bank of the ****. 00:06:34
And so you can keep going through here is something I'm working with me and we're going to. 00:06:37
This was too big to fit on the in the journal. 00:06:42
We're going to make a dense version with a link, and then you can kind of scroll these stuff in. 00:06:45
That kind of shows you all that. 00:06:49
And we're gonna link to this so people can people can look at another round. 00:06:52
I want to get from the USA website. 00:06:55
Sincerely saying that the fire marker Watkins is taking on. 00:06:58
As you can stop right here, does anybody have any questions about that? So the continuous reduction again is? 00:07:02
It's a proactive educational piece. 00:07:06
That that we see hazards that that. 00:07:08
Are starting to pop up. Maybe we can educate people on metadata. 00:07:13
And be proactive about it. 00:07:16
So I don't know. 00:07:18
Chief, do you have any, Do you have any idea? 00:07:19
No, totally fine. So is Captain Brown was talking What She does it so well. I want to have him in fire. 00:07:23
When we multiply different ways, we can. 00:07:31
Proactively in the community, the next one. 00:07:33
You got some good feedback from our UFA board and it's going to be centered around CPR and how to better be that in line with. 00:07:36
Best practices. 00:07:42
So. 00:07:44
Every corner is my goal. It may be less than that. 00:07:45
That was a lot to go initially and then we've got. 00:07:48
I have a date with all the restart. 00:07:51
But this is a great opportunity to look at our communities, all the communities we serve. 00:07:53
And target those areas. 00:07:58
And his board members were listening, the board were listening to your employee base, were listening to all different community 00:08:00
members. 00:08:03
To get a good consensus for what we want to focus on their board and it's a very hot. 00:08:07
Very broad category when we say community was about things. 00:08:12
Extremely broad, so it's. 00:08:16
The great opportunities to engage our communities and serve our communities to make. 00:08:18
Capacity so, so it's not just. 00:08:23
Just by the muscle walk is it? Where is it? 00:08:25
If the city here decided hey. 00:08:28
You want to look at this and maybe we can dissipate on this and mitigate this problem. 00:08:30
We could. We could tailor to each city, yes. 00:08:34
I love with my. That's awesome and especially if it's Catholic. 00:08:37
Digested one by its size many people and I'm just curious is it? 00:08:42
Primarily through journal articles on social media. 00:08:45
So. 00:08:48
The best? 00:08:50
The best way to deliver it to our communities is through our liaison program. 00:08:51
Disperse the correct touch so we create the content gathering information. 00:08:55
Definitely listen to the board, listen to the truth, watch it right. It's within our service areas. 00:09:00
And then we'll target. 00:09:05
Target our communities in that way and then work directly through our liaisons to get that information out. 00:09:06
Social media campaigns or information outreach has done a great job in making lithium ion. 00:09:12
Because the one thing that I want to do too is you basically in simple after action reviews after going on these incidents. I 00:09:17
don't. 00:09:21
Over the special enforcement component, it is an arson investigations. 00:09:25
And we're seeing them. 00:09:29
Where previously, yes, we did the paperwork, we did the documentation, but now we get to listen to that song. Tagging to make this 00:09:31
even if I'm married. 00:09:35
So that's another great opportunity to actually look at those. 00:09:39
Post the incident. 00:09:43
Crossed incident an hour. 00:09:45
Analysis components to be able to see what we want to do with that information, how it can do the prevention side of that stuff. 00:09:46
How are you? 00:09:52
So the last one. 00:09:55
The last one that I'll reference and I'll just give you a brief overview. 00:09:57
Purchased replacement batteries for a DeWalt charger that were not. 00:10:02
From the wall, not in the. I'm a big component in my personal life of focusing on a. 00:10:07
Originally put right, going to go in. 00:10:13
If it was the walls I doubt the fire ever would have happened, but they had the same colors and what placed in their leftover 00:10:16
night. 00:10:19
Fire happened so again. 00:10:23
Relying on the identification component, whether the UL or Ness. 00:10:25
When you read the. 00:10:30
Best practice when I walk out into my where I just see many different ways in my own. 00:10:32
You know, devices. 00:10:36
And I'm pretty comfortable charging those so. 00:10:38
25 non drops and different things. That's for weeks. 00:10:41
A lot of a lot of issues. 00:10:44
And or damage of seeing one of. 00:10:46
Fires from damaged batteries. 00:10:48
It used to be Lipovatter is with like RC cards and stuff like that. We're pretty high risk I think, but that's selling issue and 00:10:50
also our device with the. 00:10:54
Onslaught of the E bikes and think of our strategies right so. 00:10:58
With the E Mart. 00:11:02
Fights too, you can still see the UL tag on there like I. 00:11:03
Reference I've got after my child disease almost 9 bucks scooter out there jumping and hopping smashing the battery. 00:11:06
And I looked, I looked out of my brain. Here, let me look at it in. 00:11:13
There's a UL pad on it, right? So you know that it's been inspected this method. 00:11:16
As well as standard. 00:11:21
And I'm very confident in most products. It's when you start embarking on different stuff, but you do see a lot of fires from 00:11:23
different batteries over the years have seen different things. 00:11:28
Especially as batteries age, right? 00:11:33
So that's that's one thing that will definitely pay attention. 00:11:35
But I'll definitely want to capture that information and then communicate it to our board on what we're seeing. 00:11:39
And what we're doing, and I listen to their direction on night 1 is that. 00:11:45
Crispy stuff sprout. 00:11:50
So to hold on a little bit. 00:11:51
So I'll work with Leah how to distribute this to the city. 00:11:53
And then? 00:11:57
We've always been on battery fires, but. 00:11:58
I think the biggest thing is what he's looking. 00:12:00
If you have battery power before. 00:12:03
You you think maybe grab it and you can. 00:12:05
Put out on the fire station, or you can even have enough time to. 00:12:07
Get out of your house. 00:12:10
With this, with this thermal runway that lithium miles do. 00:12:11
It's really, I mean. 00:12:14
I mean you probably all see videos it's. 00:12:16
They go like crazy. 00:12:18
And it is a problem because I mean, if you look at a Milwaukee DeWalt battery. 00:12:20
You can get one that looks just like on Amazon for portal price. 00:12:24
And so, and that's what anything spirit people's Eastern University products that they make. 00:12:27
Batteries that. 00:12:32
And I'll certify them and. 00:12:33
Some education is the best thing that we can do for it, I think. 00:12:35
Did you all ever go and do presentations like elementary school? 00:12:38
Right after this and going to mill presentation so. 00:12:44
Just didn't know if you did. That's yeah, throw it as a suggestion I think. 00:12:47
The more that there is. 00:12:50
What do they do? I mean, I'm just curious. Like what? 00:12:53
So now if there's a certain way to recycle these, I guess you can't. 00:13:00
Right when you're disposing of it, what do they do with all? 00:13:06
There's got to be. 00:13:09
Building the recycle. 00:13:10
Go back once I go back to the. 00:13:13
The fighter right there, that QR code. 00:13:15
The green shorted 1. 00:13:17
Sorry I missed you. Go for. 00:13:19
I got. 00:13:22
Forward, forward. Sorry. 00:13:24
Or not present. Sorry. 00:13:27
So there's the. 00:13:29
Recycling website right there. You QR code that and will go directly to it. 00:13:30
And it takes you through all the different locations where you can recycle your products. And there's specific some, some places 00:13:35
take cell phones, some places take different devices. 00:13:39
Some take everything. 00:13:44
Products that we say. 00:13:48
And that's a big component on how to do that. 00:13:50
Right, not a great idea. 00:13:54
Recently there was. 00:13:56
A crash fire. 00:13:58
Related to. 00:14:00
Content within it. 00:14:01
Within a truck. 00:14:03
I don't know the final findings, but my assumption was all because there's some sort of battery will never compact in it so. 00:14:05
And that's an assumption on my side without seeing an investigation report. 00:14:12
But those of the thoughts come on, so recycling it a lot of imposition beyond. 00:14:16
So you fixing the press. 00:14:20
This is the next one. 00:14:28
This is this is a new unit. 00:14:31
And councilmember father and remember. 00:14:33
This is not a cheaper check for when you get over the board. 00:14:36
You specifically asked about. 00:14:38
I do not like this. So now it's it's finally it's finally into account. So this is. 00:14:41
Called the lower acute unit 101. So generally. 00:14:46
Before the scan of service if there's any sort of medical call. 00:14:49
As we talked about before, you, you, you get an ambulance and heavy outreach. 00:14:52
So, uh. 00:14:57
In a lot of cases. 00:14:58
That could be considered overkill, but that's just how it was because you couldn't just have two people on an ambulance for a 00:15:00
call. You could just have a heavy apparatus because we needed anything. So what UFA is doing is they're trying. 00:15:05
A test period. 00:15:11
For this is called low QD unit 101. 00:15:12
It's hold on 01. It's located in in the station in Mill Creek on 39th and 9th. 00:15:16
And but they they get dispatched to an 11 minute drivetime radius out of there. 00:15:21
Which pretty much hits all. 00:15:26
It might not hit. 00:15:28
The very. 00:15:30
Southeast, I think it probably does the quarter one, one hit, but easily it's a 10 minute drive to Wasatch. 00:15:32
From messages, so you'll see this. 00:15:37
Quite a bit and the importance of this. 00:15:39
On on more duty call office. 00:15:42
A site problem Another a site problem with little cutie, but they don't need. 00:15:46
Medical intervention, right they they need help but. 00:15:50
They don't necessarily need medical intervention. 00:15:52
Or maybe a ground level fall with. 00:15:55
Notes. And then what? 00:15:57
Is this will be dispatched with an ambulance? 00:15:59
And the heavy apparatus in his service. 00:16:02
And there's multiple. 00:16:05
Benefits of that one is wear and tear. 00:16:07
Right. You're not sending that. 00:16:09
The heavy apparatus on things that. 00:16:11
That maybe you don't need. 00:16:13
Another is. 00:16:16
They get to stay in service for maybe a more critical call. 00:16:18
It's coming up. 00:16:21
Over the years, you know, I've been on engineers and. 00:16:22
There's been many times where you're on a call and then you hear another one come in like, oh, that might be more serious, but you 00:16:25
can't just abandoned somebody, right? So, so by this, it frees up that. 00:16:30
That heavy apparatus that may be going more difficult and then most importantly it freeze them up to for fires. So if there's a 00:16:34
fire. 00:16:37
As we all know. 00:16:41
The best thing that we can do for a house fire is the quicker when you get water on it, the better if you might be in the mustache 00:16:43
and just for everybody. So if. 00:16:46
If the closest heavy apparatus has a better better chance of being in service. 00:16:50
And being able to respond to a fire to water on fire as quick as possible. 00:16:55
It's it's better for everybody, so. 00:16:58
If you see this. 00:17:01
They could run around and leave us an old PC rig. 00:17:02
Zombies has it all the time. She's great. 00:17:04
The staff of two EMT's. 00:17:07
They'll be going and you might see them and you will see them in the city. 00:17:09
That's what it is. It's a trial period. It's it's not a. 00:17:12
Right now they. 00:17:16
We we have people assigned to it and it runs Monday through Thursday from 9:00 in the morning till 7:00 at night, so 40 hours a 00:17:17
week. 00:17:20
And it's just it's a trial period. 00:17:24
And as far as the success, you know, I'm not like cheaper and speak for this is. 00:17:27
It's Only one is August 4. 00:17:31
So it hasn't been formed for very long. 00:17:33
And they were responding up until about last week. They responded about 25 times at the holiday already. 00:17:35
Which is which is pretty substantial, about 25 times that the heavy apparatus and happily even could make it stay in summer sport 00:17:41
for a more serious call. 00:17:45
But as far as the success of it. 00:17:49
Jewelry tells you or. 00:17:51
Or as of right now I'm getting data that you like. 00:17:53
Yeah, we're, we're pretty happy with it with. 00:17:56
If we continue to. 00:18:00
Average the same amount of calls. 00:18:01
For their per week that. 00:18:03
We've targeted 500 calls would be successful and. 00:18:04
We've hit about 600. 00:18:07
If we stay on average, we'd be response. 00:18:09
So yeah, we're. 00:18:14
We're going to run the trial for a year. We'll be looking. 00:18:15
Into our next budget. 00:18:18
Period, Warner. 00:18:19
What we're going to do as far as extend the trial and maybe stop and put? 00:18:21
From my perspective, already I've been successful. We've had. 00:18:25
Specific incidents that I believe it was the second week it was in service. 00:18:28
That unit responded with the medic ambulance I101 to call. 00:18:34
30 seconds later. 00:18:39
Polaris comes in in the 101 area. 00:18:40
Engine goes. 00:18:43
Own person and cardiac arrest. 00:18:44
Saves saves them, gets their CPR. 00:18:46
Shots. The patient gets a. 00:18:50
Heart rate and. 00:18:51
That may or may not happen had it been. 00:18:53
A longer response because 101 was already out and. 00:18:56
The only day you have to come in or. 00:18:59
Another military engineer, 11 or so. 00:19:01
So they already respond with an ambulance? Yeah. 00:19:05
And then we changed. 00:19:08
Policy where the ambulances all have a paramedic on board now so every every ambulance has a paramedic and. 00:19:10
That's part of the reason this is. 00:19:16
Where we've been so comfortable. 00:19:18
Even if they go. 00:19:21
And the call taker gets not the greatest. 00:19:22
Oftentimes we don't get great information from the colors, but. 00:19:26
They do a pretty good job of coding the call. 00:19:29
If we get there and they need an ALS intervention, there's there's manuals come with a paramedic. 00:19:31
They can start ALS care and then they'll request a. 00:19:36
Heavy apparatus moment. 00:19:40
Instant. 00:19:41
That have you apparatus not as paramedic too. 00:19:42
And so we. 00:19:48
We feel like. 00:19:49
On his little cutie calls. 00:19:51
Could you get away with blessed people? 00:19:53
Probably, but. 00:19:55
You know, I think. 00:19:57
Having corresponders, there's a certain level of. 00:19:58
Responder safety, with that, having more people, I think it's better. 00:20:01
Better care and customer service, you know. 00:20:04
Even for somebody that. 00:20:07
Very minor. If you just send two people and you got to manage the person, manage all the equipment, get them out to the ambulance, 00:20:08
they. 00:20:11
What you could have somebody? 00:20:14
Off the ceiling, go to the hospital in 15 minutes. Now it's probably taking longer for two people to manage that so. 00:20:16
About 8%. 00:20:21
Well, 4141, if you send a heavy apparatus, there's four on the engines and then two on the ambulance. But it's the ambulances with 00:20:23
the low acuity instance and you got four and four, yeah. 00:20:28
And this this has become popular. 00:20:36
So they say is drawing. 00:20:40
And a lot of the big cities that they're finding great success. 00:20:43
I mean. 00:20:46
This is just. 00:20:47
First of all. 00:20:48
I see this. 00:20:49
Becoming a valid one thing, especially as we just get busier and busier and busier. 00:20:50
I can see more of these little Kitty units out. I mean, I'll probably be logged on. 00:20:54
But you know, Justin scared might. 00:20:57
Yeah, down the road. 00:21:01
But but it's a great thing. 00:21:03
And again, it's just it just. 00:21:05
It's just smart, right? For For. 00:21:08
You know. 00:21:10
Our encs are. 00:21:12
Or, uh. 00:21:14
North past N plus people so. 00:21:16
It just, it just makes sense that it's and it's a good thing that UFA is doing and I think there are a lot of cities in the 00:21:18
policy. 00:21:21
Did you say that all it was? It was. 00:21:24
And I don't know if this is the. 00:21:29
Impetus of the whole thing, but Paul in his orientation for the board. 00:21:30
You asked all about this and I don't know if you've seen it from another place or. 00:21:33
No, I can't remember. 00:21:38
I talked about somebody else. 00:21:41
Was busy enough. 00:21:46
But yeah, I think it's just been confirmed in my mind. 00:21:47
The potential here because when you look at the. 00:21:52
The call type once every month in board meeting where you got 1200. 00:21:55
Per month versus 66 fire calls and. 00:22:00
It's a win of the so-called unified fire instead of unified. 00:22:05
Because of the. 00:22:10
The call type. 00:22:11
Bring them and this is. 00:22:14
Showed this is. This is data from last week. These are the types of polls that. 00:22:16
The Lord Kitty has gone on. 00:22:20
So just clarification so that no other appropriate choice. 00:22:22
That's probably something cheaper and let this up it's. 00:22:26
They've got sent to an address and there was an application or no emergency there. So that's something like that and then. 00:22:28
The traffic accident they normally don't. 00:22:35
Get this message off accidents because. 00:22:37
That could be more of a high community things. They probably rolled up on one. You know what I mean It just happened. It just 00:22:39
dropped by incident. But these are these are the the type of calls that they have also again. 00:22:43
Most Brownello falls and permitted more injuries. 00:22:48
Medical alarms. 00:22:51
And then, you know, psychiatric or sick person maybe or it's not not something that's supposed to be that sounds very good. 00:22:53
Like, I know we get a lot of falls here because we've got a lot of. 00:22:59
Assisted living facilities. 00:23:04
I would ascend. The fall of something these days would be the pool too. 00:23:06
Because there's four, there's still going to be 4 people there to manage the scene. 00:23:10
Yeah, which is enough. 00:23:13
Right, it would depend on the details of the call. 00:23:15
As far as? 00:23:19
As far as? 00:23:21
The severity of the injuries, you know, they call them. 00:23:22
A hurt ankle. 00:23:25
Then they'll probably send a local unit, but they only say they hit their head and I'll be. 00:23:26
One foot of the year. Well now in. 00:23:30
And I don't know if they've worked this out in. 00:23:33
I think up there in January, are we going with ABCD? 00:23:36
Dispatched so as of right now, they kind of just have the have the details but. 00:23:40
That as you dispatches our calls, it's coming up in the next couple months, they're going to start rating them between. 00:23:45
Apple. 00:23:54
Which is funny because we need to do that. 00:23:55
8-9 years ago or rocketed when years ago they went away and then. 00:23:57
Right, back to it and that also helped with. 00:24:01
With filtering out low fury. 00:24:03
And what gets dispatched? 00:24:07
I would just add that the other piece that would be super important to. 00:24:10
Obviously, Council and the taxpayers this is. 00:24:15
A great intermediate step to manage our performance and call volume. 00:24:18
Because up till now. 00:24:22
Like your engine's getting pretty busy here too, but one-on-one down the streets of the busiest engine in our system. 00:24:24
And when you hit a threshold. 00:24:30
Our our only real. 00:24:33
Remedy for that without another heavy apparatus? Well. 00:24:35
Heavy apparatuses, $3.2 million a year, right so. 00:24:38
If we can. 00:24:42
Reduce the burden of this heavy apparatus. Use these units appropriately to manage appropriate calls. It's a. It's a better way 00:24:43
to. 00:24:46
To maintain. 00:24:49
Not seeing to add heavy breast. 00:24:50
Is as quickly now we've hit some thresholds there, there's a little potential that. 00:24:53
Our performance, we need others heavy apparatus, but we're not going to be driven into that by our medical response. So. 00:24:58
It's a good middle ground. 00:25:05
To provide some more. 00:25:08
Makes a lot of sense. 00:25:09
I'll say it one more. You know that that's that there's a financial piece, but there's also a. 00:25:10
A morale piece. 00:25:14
Because. 00:25:16
Especially some of these ones. 00:25:17
That takes a call away, maybe from the heavy apparatus where you know they may have been on. 00:25:18
Both calls and make it just sit down for dinner or. 00:25:22
Been out five times that night. 00:25:25
This is just one more view of the spread. 00:25:26
Spread the coal volume out with people and help with not feel like they've gone way overkill of what you're taking this. 00:25:29
Right. 00:25:36
My career that was, that's always been one of the. 00:25:40
Boss, why is that? Fire engineering was going to recall and for a while there when we were trying to get themselves sometimes we 00:25:42
had. 00:25:45
2 fire apparatus and an ambulance or two ambulances it was. 00:25:49
So that's definitely more an appropriate use of resources. 00:25:53
Of course, the key is his way. 00:25:57
Quality of dispatch? Yes. Communication. 00:25:59
In a crisis situations, one where the other they addressed up. 00:26:02
Column of all type of. 00:26:06
It's a resource. 00:26:08
Yeah, and there's definitely been. 00:26:09
So, so we get we get testosterone call or say people get this festival call. 00:26:11
And then, you know, they start driving and then they get more details because the details are coming in. It's not like they have 00:26:18
all the details whenever they did this class. 00:26:21
There's been times where. 00:26:24
You know what? This sounds more than it is. 00:26:26
I'm going to have the apparatus started right now, so. 00:26:28
They have the leeway to add that before they get there and made an assessment because it's always better to be safe than sorry one 00:26:30
sort of things. Yeah, so. 00:26:33
Did you have that? 00:26:37
Fantastic. Do you have any other questions? 00:26:41
No matter anything else. 00:26:43
You know if there's anything to go along with because you have my. 00:26:45
In Subnex. 00:26:48
OK. Thank you. Thanks for that. 00:26:50
They said OK, well I think it's cheap oil now. 00:26:53
Go ahead, Sorry. 00:26:56
No, you're fine. 00:27:00
Hey, but you're going to be next. 00:27:03
He usually doesn't take more than an hour and a half. I'll try and get it to an hour 25 today, just you know. 00:27:08
Well, that's certainly going to be a tough act to follow, but that is certainly especially with. 00:27:14
Dusty, Dan and Wade here I. 00:27:18
I would be remiss if I we didn't publicly express our appreciation for relationship. 00:27:20
Either by fire it is. 00:27:24
Such a great relationship we have and I know especially even with those 3 gentlemen there, they're a phone call away and we'll do 00:27:27
anything they can to help. 00:27:30
This community help us and it's just a great working relationship. 00:27:34
More out on big scenes and big deals and we're just grateful for the relationship that we have with our brothers, sister, the UFA 00:27:37
so. 00:27:41
With that for our. 00:27:45
Presentation here in our quarterly report for. 00:27:47
The precinct, Erin Holiday, you can kind of see our calls right there for this year are down just a little bit from where they've 00:27:50
been over the last couple of years. 00:27:55
Especially this last quarter. 00:27:59
July, we touched on right about the same we were in 2024, but you kind of see the trend a little bit lower than they have over the 00:28:01
last couple of years this year. 00:28:04
Which is a good thing. 00:28:08
It's one of the next. 00:28:09
Thank you for that. Yeah. 00:28:11
Holds it down. Is that across UFA generally or is this? 00:28:14
But same upper. 00:28:18
Every precinct a little bit different. 00:28:20
Everyone's a little bit different, but worth. 00:28:21
By and large is an organization. I think we're still trending right about the same across the board, but every some precincts are 00:28:24
a little bit higher, some like us are a little bit lower. 00:28:27
But by and large, we're still running right about the same across the board. 00:28:31
That next slide that you'll see here. 00:28:36
Is just the types of cases that we responded on over the last three months. 00:28:39
You can see where ones are down from 2024 and where others are up. 00:28:42
For the year, but by and large, as you saw, those numbers were down quite a bit. 00:28:47
Several calls from where we were last year. 00:28:51
But those are the individual cases that if you want to go to the next. 00:28:54
Slide here are traffic related offenses that happen. 00:28:58
Can you Scroll down just a little to the bottom? 00:29:02
You'll see. I mean we generally by month we're running right about. 00:29:05
So where that 44 is in the middle, that's about or 4042 generally traffic cases per month, you can see that. 00:29:10
Our booking arrest. You'll see our blank right now. 00:29:17
Just to give you a little signal, generally we will put that stat up there. 00:29:19
But we're going through a definition change of what a booking arrest is and so now. 00:29:23
In our reporting system, we have to just list. Everybody's a suspect. We can't list. 00:29:28
So even if if I arrest somebody and take him to jail today. 00:29:33
They can't get listed as a suspect, I mean as an arrestee. 00:29:36
And and count 1 lost out it. 00:29:40
We can't count that as an arrest and our stats until it goes through district attorney's office. 00:29:42
And they file formal charges and then our record staff have to go back in and change it so. 00:29:46
Sometimes it can take a few weeks, a few months before we actually get charges back on individuals. And so those numbers, when you 00:29:51
see those numbers being blank, that's why, because those numbers. 00:29:55
What is this definition is gone to that and the extra work involved in that? 00:30:00
It takes some time to catch up pending. 00:30:04
No. So as a matter of fact, even that is our offices when we write our reports, even if somebody is arrested. 00:30:08
They have to list them as just as a suspect. 00:30:14
An offender slash suspect is all the titles in our reporting system and then once it goes gets all the way through the system and 00:30:16
charges come back. 00:30:20
And then our records happen. I can take it to an arrestee or if charges are declined, they're they're still left suspect. 00:30:23
Okay. 00:30:31
The next one is our response times you can see. 00:30:33
We're arranging these are just priority 1-2 and three. 00:30:37
Called, so anywhere from. 00:30:40
4 minutes up to 11 minutes. On those three type of calls, we're running about 6 minutes on priority one, which is interesting. On 00:30:43
priority two, there are 4 minutes. 00:30:48
And then, you know, we're up to 10 to 11 minutes on our priority, which are great response sites other than. 00:30:53
I'm sure that you're well if you're gonna. 00:30:59
Ask the question there. 00:31:01
Why was faith? Why was you reading? 00:31:03
Spell it more quickly. 00:31:05
And here's the thing and what we find, and there's been a couple of times they do these monthly reports, Sometimes we get these. 00:31:07
These cases that are absolutely like will get. 00:31:13
I send the mayor, Zino Stephan, their monthly report every month of just the individual stats and there's some months where like 00:31:19
we have. 00:31:22
An average response time on priority ones at 13 minutes. Like whoa, that's a bad deal. 00:31:26
But what happens is that sometimes there are priority one calls. 00:31:31
That end up being like a telephone report, like for example it was one month. 00:31:36
That somebody reported a kidnapping. They just wanted it to reported over the phone. 00:31:39
And so just the phone report work. 00:31:43
A kidnapping in general the priority one called inquiry and get to. 00:31:45
But it was one that was just. 00:31:49
The way I got coded in dispatch. 00:31:51
And what really had happened with the circumstances were. 00:31:53
With something that had happened months ago or somebody, it was. 00:31:56
Relationship situation. Somebody got help against their will and they just want to report for months later. 00:31:59
So it wasn't one that our officers had to respond to right away and it held for a bit and it got caught up so. 00:32:03
Sometimes there's calls like that that. 00:32:09
Especially the property wants to get demoted that way and then it. 00:32:11
Delays that time frame on there. 00:32:14
And that's that's why you'll see some of those, those slower times there. 00:32:17
But generally speaking at this this. 00:32:22
This quarter of a very unique ballot. 00:32:25
Right at 6 minutes. 00:32:27
But generally speaking. 00:32:29
We are three to four minutes most of the time. 00:32:30
Is what we're. Our algorithm is as you look at it throughout the years, we're dealing with three or 4 minutes. 00:32:33
I'm probably 31 since then. 00:32:37
So. 00:32:42
What will if someone is? 00:32:45
With that. 00:32:48
That would generally be a priority one, and in progress call it as a priority. 00:32:53
Where a crime happened, just happened and occurred, like an assault has happened or a burglary just occurred. 00:33:00
Suspects are now gone. 00:33:06
That's going to fall to a priority 2-3 depending on what the information is. But there's something like that. The program in 00:33:08
progress, somebody in the House is going to be a priority one generally. 00:33:12
A traffic axle of injuries is a priority one. 00:33:17
A crime of progress sometimes our our domestic violence calls are generally. 00:33:21
Priority three type call generally unless somebody is actually. 00:33:26
There's an assault taking place that somebody's actually hurt or. 00:33:30
If there's, you know there's something more. 00:33:34
Our FIRE brothers and sisters are responding with us on the call. Generally that gets bumped up to a priority one or two. 00:33:36
But if you're somebody inside your home burger in progress, that's doing it, probably. 00:33:42
Two other. 00:33:48
Do other municipalities measure the same metric available? Interesting I guess. 00:33:52
So just throwing that with you to consider. 00:33:58
Like a peer analysis kind of a thing and to see how you how you. 00:34:01
Perhaps it could be. Maybe it's a cycle for you only and then there's obviously 3 variables. 00:34:05
But try to find a peer that's similar. 00:34:10
Holiday is we found in this and you said that'd be something if you look at this so. 00:34:12
Absolutely. Just answer. 00:34:16
Yeah, no, absolutely. Anything we can do, we'll get to improve. We're happy to do so is this the one, Is it the area that you 00:34:19
think the most limited stuff is something like that is in response time? 00:34:24
It could. 00:34:30
You know, generally speaking those you know, 6 minutes is a little high on a priority one. 00:34:32
You know you generally want to be at 5 minutes. 00:34:38
As where you want to be. 00:34:41
Are you talking about the classification of the column or this metric? 00:34:44
Would it lend itself as well to compare it against? 00:34:49
Say for example converter heights or other. 00:34:51
Similar size G. 00:34:55
You know, you got. Oh, yeah. 00:34:56
Yeah, no, absolutely. Like I said, like a tearing off system. 00:35:00
Yeah, it doesn't happen too often. I mean, other than we've got the relationships with like the chief overhead to have a great 00:35:03
relationship with him. 00:35:07
You know, there are things that are happening. We'll call each other and talk to them with the pair and. 00:35:12
But to do an actual true and if there was something that we could compare to and get stats, we could certainly do that and we'll 00:35:15
pull stats a lot of times from other departments. 00:35:19
Just to compare and see where we're at, see where we can approve. 00:35:23
Great. Any other questions on that one? 00:35:28
The next few slides you have in your packets, but over just a breakdown of the calls for your individual council districts. 00:35:32
So you can see how many calls were the different classifications each month. 00:35:38
And the categories that you had before you get off 1 but. 00:35:43
It seemed like. 00:35:48
District 1. 00:35:49
This July data. 00:35:51
Way up there. 00:35:55
I was there. They went especially compared to the other districts like. 00:35:58
Is there a reason for that? Or like the public order number? 00:36:01
As opposed to, I mean, if you look at August, there's not even a. 00:36:06
You know what? 00:36:10
Is that cumulative from? 00:36:13
That that has to be that's. 00:36:14
Yeah, it's kind of the accumulated. 00:36:17
District 1 We. 00:36:22
The whole city. 00:36:28
I don't know, it might make a difference maybe. 00:36:33
Welcome city. When I got those stats that's. 00:36:37
So July was. 00:36:44
309 total for the whole city. 00:36:46
So that. 00:36:49
District 1 staring the burden for the whole scene. 00:36:52
They could catch. 00:36:58
I'm sorry I didn't catch that before. Let's put that together. 00:36:59
So then you've got the District 234 and 5. 00:37:03
Does anybody have any questions specific to their individual districts now? 00:37:06
What is like? 00:37:10
Where was the 1 before that public order? 00:37:13
With that, so maybe for district. 00:37:16
No, that 1:30. 00:37:20
30 cases in July. 00:37:22
What is public order? What? 00:37:24
Falls under that. 00:37:26
So those are suspicious circumstances. Those are. 00:37:28
Suspicious vehicle in the area those are. 00:37:32
You know, sometimes people, sometimes optimal classify them as public. 00:37:35
Peace or public order. It can be noise disturbances, It can be civil problems. 00:37:39
Several problems are ones that we go on an awful lot. It's just things that we just go and kind of keep for individuals. 00:37:44
Those types of cases over. 00:37:49
Some of the ones that we, you will see if you look at stats, overall public order, public fees are by and large. 00:37:50
The largest exit calls that we respond just capture the. 00:37:55
That's just a very broad. 00:37:59
Topic. 00:38:01
OK. And then if you will, Stephie will jump to. 00:38:05
So there's just a couple of cases of note that I wanted to highlight for you guys. 00:38:08
The first one was August 24th, 25. 00:38:13
Our officers responded to a shooting that happened at an apartment complex here in the city. 00:38:16
As they began the investigation, they found it was an acquaintance of the victim who was shot in a leg. 00:38:21
A violent crimes unit got involved in it, started tracking down the identity that individual we were. 00:38:27
Weren't given much information about who that person was, but within 11 days our violent crime deal was able to track them down. 00:38:32
And arrested that. 00:38:38
Suspect for multiple felonies that included aggravated assault, having serious injury, discharge of firearm. 00:38:39
Having serious bodily injury, possession of a firearm by restricted person and additional drug offenses. So with great work by 00:38:46
robotic crimes. 00:38:49
And then on July 15th. 00:38:53
It was on Highland Drive. 00:38:57
Anything else 3. 00:38:59
Yeah, right across. 00:39:01
Yeah. 00:39:04
Many of you are already aware of this and this is a great again to highlight our relationship with UFA. But as you guys all know, 00:39:08
on July 15th, it was a. 00:39:11
The water leak that happens. 00:39:15
Coordination with command with unified fire. 00:39:17
Or we had several officers respond not only from Holiday, but Mill Creek and magnets that came up here to help with traffic 00:39:20
control. 00:39:23
And help in that situation, but just again. 00:39:26
Great relationship and part of the beauty of this of the Unified Police Department, of we're able to pull resources from other 00:39:29
precincts to come up and help when we need them. 00:39:33
And then the last one to highlight is. 00:39:38
It was a. 00:39:42
Get a burglary that happened in Midvale and interestingly enough. 00:39:43
The suspects lived here in Holiday and working with the Midvale detectives, we had our detectives, Mill Creek detectives that all 00:39:47
got together. 00:39:51
With the SWAT team to serve the search warrant at the suspects home here in Holiday, who we found had been committing. 00:39:56
Multiple burglaries across the valley, but the search warrant yielded 8 firearms. 00:40:00
$3100 in criminal currency. 35 silver coins. 00:40:05
And jewelry that have been taken in the burglary in Midvale. 00:40:09
But that's us, like ultimately got hooked into jail on multiple felony charges, but we had, again, detectives from Magna Holiday, 00:40:13
Mill Creek and Midvale all involved in that operation. 00:40:18
It's not here. 00:40:22
And then the last slide we'll talk about is the educational piece much like. 00:40:24
Dan had mentioned education is something that's super important and I know all of you guys have been involved. 00:40:29
In this ebike campaign that we. 00:40:34
But I just, I felt it was kind of important because we're still getting a lot of questions about the E bikes and the E devices, if 00:40:37
you will, and what you what's legal, what's not legal and. 00:40:42
But I, I felt like and just so you guys know, beginning July 1. 00:40:48
The issue was is there are so many different variations that we've talked about this the E devices that are out there. 00:40:52
Even our officers didn't know what was legal, what wasn't legal because there's just, you know, from the E bikes to these the 00:40:57
Saurons to the one wheels to scooters. 00:41:01
There's different rules and regulations on them. So we educated during the month of July all of our officers. 00:41:05
We broke down the classifications of all the different E devices. We. 00:41:10
Send it out here on the city's website. 00:41:14
I wrote an article on the Holiday Journal. 00:41:16
And then? 00:41:18
Pio created an educational video that's on Instagram that we actually shared. 00:41:20
With, with Lena and with all of our Pios from all of our communities to get posted out, all the communities are trying to educate 00:41:24
everybody because this isn't just an issue that we're facing here at Holiday. It's, it's all across the valley and, and 00:41:29
everybody's having that issue. 00:41:34
So. 00:41:40
During the months of August and September. 00:41:40
We did a lot of educational stops. We stopped people educated that hey, what you're doing is illegal. Contact parents and have the 00:41:43
home at the beginning in September, we started taking enforcement actions where we're starting to write citations and. 00:41:48
And in some cases some of the the. 00:41:55
Unregistered vehicle got impounded. 00:41:58
But that that happened as of September. But it's it's been a huge campaign. 00:42:01
Hopefully, hopefully the message is getting out there of the danger is we have had a couple of of accidents this summer involving 00:42:06
kids writing these E devices and. 00:42:10
It is right here in the city and so hopefully, and that's ultimately the goal, we just don't want to see anybody get hurt. 00:42:15
How's that going with the education piece and then with the citations? Or do you feel like people are? 00:42:20
Starting to understand or do you feel like? 00:42:26
It we're selfish at the beginning stages. 00:42:28
All that it varies because some of the stocks will be made. 00:42:30
People said I, I heard, you know, I just. 00:42:34
Gonna be OK. And another one, you know, there's some folks that may have no idea. They're like, I had no clue. 00:42:37
And as we've tried to tell people that. 00:42:43
You know, I mean it's, it really is. I mean, when you see. 00:42:45
Some of these devices, I mean they can go upwards of 6070 miles an hour. 00:42:49
And I mean. 00:42:53
I've been past going down Holiday Blvd. in my police car on those and so anyway, it's just. 00:42:54
Everybody's a little bit different. Some people know, some people don't know, and some people just. 00:43:01
You could tell maybe playing like I knew it, but I don't want to admit I knew it. 00:43:07
So matters. 00:43:11
How that's been there? 00:43:13
He basically dreads. 00:43:16
In the afternoon and. 00:43:19
Probably a 1011 year old kid on those. 00:43:21
Smaller. 00:43:24
Low profile ones. These are more wheels. 00:43:25
We have done a sidewalk primarily, but then he crossed 45th and went. 00:43:28
On the other side, South of what effects on B7 but. 00:43:33
Who shot the Belfast? 00:43:37
We had at first I thought I'd be well, just regular E bikes, that's class one, Class 2, but. 00:43:40
It's hard for me to tell exactly how fast they're going, but he took off like a shot. 00:43:46
Absolutely. Maybe. Maybe 1011. 00:43:50
At most on one of those. 00:43:53
And I was. 00:43:56
Well, absolutely. And here's the other thing that I, you know, since we're. 00:44:00
Out there, hopefully people are listening to this and. 00:44:04
You know, even if your kids are out riding these, the one thing we can not overemphasize is please don't run. 00:44:06
'Cause that's been some of the messages out there. We've had some kids that have run from our officers on these. 00:44:13
You know, at the. 00:44:19
That's that's. 00:44:20
The fastest way to get yourself a felony charge is to flee from the police is a third degree felony and we just don't want to see. 00:44:22
People getting felony charges over just something. 00:44:29
They could be just very minor. 00:44:31
OK. That's what I have. Anybody have any questions? 00:44:39
Thanks for all the work you've done on that, Chief. I know we've been pushing that, but try to get some education stuff. 00:44:42
You guys have been trying to respond, Yeah. Oh, I just want to ask, are you going into any of the schools doing? 00:44:48
We haven't yet. 00:44:54
That's one of the things I would like to get on the. 00:44:57
Start working with someone. That's awesome. Let's see if there's a class and we can to talk to. 00:44:59
Like I know especially. 00:45:03
Olympus Island, this junior and Bargo, we've got our school resource officers over there and they're talking to them regularly to 00:45:04
the kids in there. 00:45:08
But we haven't. 00:45:12
We haven't had any formal presentations yet, but the. 00:45:14
Ones that have our SRO's, they talk to those kids a lot. 00:45:17
About it. 00:45:20
OK. OK, Chief. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. 00:45:23
Location Wild Urban interface update. 00:45:27
What the sheep that started. I just want to refresh the temple's memory during the legislative session. 00:45:32
You may recall that. 00:45:39
The Legislature has a. 00:45:40
Pretty comprehensive. 00:45:43
He said legislation that was really designed. 00:45:45
To help reduce the the risk of white vampires. 00:45:49
And one of the things that required was that we adopt all, all municipalities and counties adopt. 00:45:54
By the end of this year. 00:46:00
Building code around wildland. 00:46:03
Fire. So we have. 00:46:06
Them and probably also there were a lot of unanswered questions at that. 00:46:07
The end of the session. 00:46:13
So I know the FAA has been working through some of those questions with state representatives. 00:46:14
And we're just at a point where? 00:46:22
We're ready to start a conversation with the Planning Commission about that code adoption particular areas. 00:46:25
I thought tonight she brought him to give you some background. 00:46:31
On the law and the way we see it as a risk and the way we see it being implemented. And then John will talk about the land use 00:46:36
process, what it can go through. 00:46:42
We do have a couple of policy questions, so. 00:46:48
I will want to get some guidance from you at the end of the conversation. 00:46:51
I think Gina did an exceptional job on getting it. 00:46:55
Overview the past. 00:46:57
As of March 3rd, it became law. 00:46:59
As of January 1 of 2026. 00:47:02
Municipalities need to have it when we expose within the community that it's greater than 5. 00:47:06
Then we capture that blocked a map. 00:47:12
And this is when people say the moving code the 2000s of Utah Wildland Open interface code. 00:47:15
This is exactly what it is. 00:47:21
Created in. 00:47:22
Like 2003. Adopted in 2006. 00:47:24
It's basically international fire code. Was somebody in International Building Code in there that says the parameters of the 00:47:28
building? 00:47:31
In relation to the fire. 00:47:34
Coda also. 00:47:37
So when I reference the movie 2006, that's what it is. 00:47:38
So within all of our communities, I've basically taken people. 00:47:42
Taking each municipality through the sand process as far as the conversation. 00:47:47
The new route map has an identification and map theme. 00:47:51
Then it's going to be the structure exposure score. So it's a way to look at this structure exposure scores. 00:47:55
Around the ember, and we're loading an ember casting so if you see a wildland fire, be able to. 00:48:02
Burn a hillside or burn vegetation and cast those embers. 00:48:08
That's what Ember casting is. 00:48:12
So that's what the metrics are measuring off of instance the states they have, we're doing the best we can to interpret that data 00:48:14
and articulate that data to our communities. 00:48:19
In a place. 00:48:24
Holiday where you do have the urban interface fiction next to the Wasatch Front, that's where you get to see that outline of that 00:48:26
data. And again, the recommendation from the state of Utah is to create a map starting at the Fives. 00:48:32
And then moving up to. 00:48:39
Up to what would be a 10, so again the sculpture one through 10. 00:48:40
That fire mark is that median where they're saying, hey, move up from there and create that map. 00:48:45
There are some rules that came out in draft, so if you want to. 00:48:51
Look towards the future they enter in draft format. 00:48:54
Catherine Dan Brown has those encryption with you. 00:48:57
And there's also an open. 00:49:00
Public meeting N6 that I'm going to be attending, but we have anybody's obviously able to attend. That's going to be at the 00:49:02
headquarters for Utah Division of Forestry and Fire and State Lands. I can send you that information. 00:49:07
Because within those draft rules, there's a lot of information that's worth health, too. 00:49:13
Two separate conversations. 00:49:19
And there's some confusion on this with many of the municipalities I'm working. 00:49:21
As far as the Co reference, the legislative body adopts the map. 00:49:27
And adopts the code. The code is applicable in that mapped area. 00:49:31
There will be assessments. 00:49:35
On the higher SES scores, the higher structure exposure scores within the community. 00:49:37
Will they probably be within that map? 00:49:42
Yes, but even if you did not adopt A map, they would be they would get an assessment. 00:49:45
That assessment is going to be facilitated by a solid Lake County. 00:49:49
Or by whichever aspect of counting your work you're living in. 00:49:53
From the state of Utah. 00:49:57
Directed by the State of Utah. 00:49:59
So those are what those rules are going to be identifying all of that. 00:50:01
So many people confuse well if they don't put them in the map. 00:50:05
Will they get that score? 00:50:09
And the answer is they would get that score. 00:50:10
Regardless in an app or not, because they're working off of that layer. 00:50:12
Structure, Exposure. Sport. 00:50:16
Which is also being updated too, so we may see some updates in that later future. So what? 00:50:18
What's I guess advantage or disadvantage of putting them in them or? 00:50:24
The advantage? 00:50:29
The advantage of it will be. 00:50:30
The direction of. 00:50:33
Right. So that's. 00:50:36
It's that's how the record is. 00:50:37
Again, the municipalities in charge of identifying their WUI area, their wildlife base area. 00:50:39
Capturing that in a map. 00:50:45
And within that map the building code is the. 00:50:47
Applicable in that. 00:50:50
Now when you read this, when I read this document. 00:50:51
There's a lot of reiteration of the international fire code, which is where a lot of it came from. 00:50:54
For example, roadways as far as thresholds for fire apparatus to get by. 00:50:59
All of that information is so redundant. 00:51:04
Articulation of the same information. 00:51:06
We're currently within the city of Utah. We're looking into the 2021 International Fire. 00:51:09
Manual that is very comprehensive. 00:51:14
Right, this was. 00:51:16
Same information but dated. 00:51:18
Related to the buildings and the structures if you if you're in line with your municipal water. 00:51:21
Which holiday is? 00:51:28
And if you also have your. 00:51:29
Of defensible space. 00:51:33
The upgrades to your building are going to be as challenging as if. 00:51:35
Didn't have a municipal water supply. 00:51:39
And you didn't have. 00:51:42
Your defensible space, and you would have to upgrade your building substantially to to fit in that. 00:51:43
So, and that's in the table in this document. 00:51:50
If I haven't sentence Captain Down Brown. 00:51:52
More than happy to if you. 00:51:55
You have plenty of time and you want to lift your fire code. 00:51:57
Like I like to. 00:52:00
You're more than welcome to. So that's a. 00:52:01
A good overview. 00:52:04
With that, I'll take any questions that maybe I didn't touch on. 00:52:07
Thanks for because it sounds like what you're saying is we don't really have a lot of latitude in. 00:52:10
Creating this map like it's pretty much if it meets these criteria, we just need to so there's not a lot of latitude. 00:52:15
We don't do it so as the legislative body in chapter 3 in the movie code we could read. 00:52:21
You're directed to adopt. 00:52:27
Do you even have discretion over what that math is and you do the recommendation from forestry, fire, state lands? 00:52:31
Is you started that five and go with that 10 range until you're. 00:52:37
It basically until you integrate into property that is not holiday and looking at your community. 00:52:41
My concern is those 5 to 10. 00:52:47
That's going to be a matter of an interface area. 00:52:50
What it doesn't do, it doesn't get into. 00:52:53
It doesn't address the specifics that maybe. 00:52:56
ICE. They're subjective to my worldview as they drive the community. 00:52:59
Many areas along the Short River Park Trail and other communities are not hitting those structure exposures For us, what we've 00:53:03
seen some pretty aggressive fires and that type of vegetation where it is contiguous. 00:53:09
And I am going to that .1 of the policy questions we're asking you is. 00:53:16
To a large portion of your district acts. 00:53:22
Where I think a reasonable person could be concerned about that kind of risk. 00:53:26
And that's suggested. That's where I looked at the legislative body. I would not make the recommendation under the. 00:53:31
Just be in lockstep with the direction from Utah Division. 00:53:37
Of forestry, fire, state lands as far as looking at those scores, looking at the data. 00:53:41
Again, it's specifically identified as structure exposure scores. 00:53:46
If you look at other data, other mapping layers for risk assessment or for risk, wildlife fire risk. 00:53:50
You're going to have a different. 00:53:57
So I just want to make sure I understand. So depending on if you're because it was mostly I think in holiday it was like. 00:53:59
76 and five is mostly what we added that I saw on the map. Is that right, John? 00:54:05
So if you're yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:54:09
So if you're in. 00:54:14
Zone compared to a stick and zone. Does that just mean different? 00:54:17
Building the mitigation requirements on property owners or what? 00:54:20
No, so, so with it, let's say you're, you have a 7 structure explosive score. That's going to be a different conversation. You may 00:54:24
you may or may not have a home assess. 00:54:29
Be related to that. 00:54:35
Even if you took up Louie at the wild and open interface, map off the table within your community. 00:54:37
Because they're going to be going directly off of structure exposure source and this is where kind of the confusion. 00:54:42
Comes into play. 00:54:47
Where do you identify that map? 00:54:49
Then your standard is going to be. 00:54:51
Is going to be within us. 00:54:54
In that entire map. 00:54:56
So if you're in the fives, even if you're in the six and sevens, if you're all the 10s, you're so guilty. 00:54:59
By it was the movie. 00:55:04
So as far as what this means for property owners in these different areas, it will affect the fees that they're assessed. 00:55:06
Now, so clearly I'm not sorry. 00:55:13
I adopt A map within this area. 00:55:18
OK, this Lily. 00:55:22
What do you say, Doctor? 00:55:24
I know, but are you saying? 00:55:27
Identify the boundaries. 00:55:28
If I drew a line over a certain area within the holiday. 00:55:30
Wherever that is. 00:55:34
And the recommendation from the state is between the five to 10 range. 00:55:36
I placed this. 00:55:40
In the middle, because this is what is going to govern the building within there. 00:55:42
Incorrectly explained, your petition is wrong. 00:55:46
If I said, you know, what the heck with that, I'm not going to be compliant with Telescope 48. 00:55:48
The state is still going to be assessing those fees through the county. 00:55:53
If somebody is living in the structure, exposure scores 789. 00:55:59
The rules are in draft form. They're not. 00:56:04
Accommodated or adopted? 00:56:07
So I can't be specific on what those. 00:56:09
Look like in the future. 00:56:13
Forthcoming before January 1, I'm assuming it will have all of that detail. 00:56:15
And we'll be able to communicate that through the liaisons of how that's looking. 00:56:20
There are opportunities on the other side of that. 00:56:23
To bless and that assessed he. 00:56:27
By doing some mitigation efforts, what is important to understand about the adoption of this? 00:56:29
If you have a municipal water supply, which Holiday does? 00:56:36
Which is usually measured for residential structures at 1000 gallons per minute of 20PSI. 00:56:41
Generally speaking, interviews depending too on this word footage. 00:56:47
So holidays. 00:56:51
Compliant with that. 00:56:52
And if the also if you do have the defensible space. 00:56:54
You're fine. The only thing that is retroactive on this. 00:56:59
Is defensible space. 00:57:02
Unless you read. 00:57:05
Basically did a rebuild of your home, took it down to the foundation and were 25% or more than you'd have to build to. 00:57:06
The Building standards with goodness, and that's my understanding. 00:57:12
So I hope that clarifies it so that. 00:57:16
But this is, you know, not that holiday and certainly a lot in your district, I think part of your question. 00:57:19
May also be, are there additional costs for homeowners and exactly that situation, yeah. 00:57:25
And there likely would be. 00:57:32
OK. Yeah, there likely would be and there's a table in here that's supplies. 00:57:33
And that aligns that. 00:57:38
I will say, if you do have the municipal water supply and if you do have the defensible space, they are far less than. 00:57:39
So if you're living there, you're not remodeling or anything, you're just living. 00:57:47
Do you still assess the feed or you're only discussing a fee if you are remodeling and changing? 00:57:52
There's going to be an additional fee assess for people in these areas regardless, regardless, and that's whatever this map looks 00:57:56
like because. 00:58:00
Essentially, they've already just determined what if one. 00:58:05
When would I say to you rap? Absolutely this information. 00:58:07
The data in this came from the URA. 00:58:11
All right, so the URAP map is already on the states. 00:58:14
Web server, so we're going to look at that. 00:58:17
I know you could hop into each area and look at that. 00:58:20
That data. 00:58:22
That is where the assessment is going to come from. 00:58:23
This if adopted, if you did adopt that area. 00:58:26
That's again where you're building code would would be adopted in. 00:58:30
Well, that we don't adopt it. 00:58:33
Then if you don't adopt it #1. 00:58:36
As I read the bill, it's law, so you have that point. 00:58:39
And if you don't adopt it, you wouldn't be able to be part of the cooperative agreement with the state that we're currently 00:58:43
working through. 00:58:46
Through unified fire. So if we have a large scale wildland fire within our within holiday. 00:58:50
The state will. 00:58:56
Will pay those bills. OK, alright. 00:58:57
So now it's starting to make sense a little bit. 00:59:00
I just I just had the conversation with the state. 00:59:04
Spread. How would this look? How would that work? 00:59:07
And we need to report. 00:59:10
Every community we're working with. 00:59:12
I need to tell them where we're at and what. 00:59:14
What? How the adoptions gone? 00:59:17
I need to make sure I. 00:59:18
Have that in writing. 00:59:20
And if any are exempt, in some communities are exempt, and that's important to understand. 00:59:21
Did thou see their SES scores are almost nonexistent? 00:59:26
Again. 00:59:30
Very flat community, very flat municipality. Taylorsville very similar. They do have Jordan River Park trail. That is a concern. 00:59:32
It's not part of the structure exposure score. It's not part of the bingo here. 00:59:37
So that the states come in and set up these areas. I'm assuming a lot of this is in. 00:59:43
Reaction to what happened in the Palisades. 00:59:49
Or I think things that are happening just generally with wildfires. 00:59:52
And so they're setting up these. 00:59:58
They're setting these maps up to show different levels. 01:00:01
Of risk and so the assessment was like why are they where's the money going it's. 01:00:04
So the steaks got like a pot of money that. 01:00:08
Is almost like an insurance policy that if you're. 01:00:11
If you are. 01:00:14
Meeting the requirements of the state and something happens. 01:00:16
Then you are protected as a city that you've adopted these maps. 01:00:19
And then put code in place. 01:00:24
That addresses the issues inside those map areas. 01:00:26
The thing that I mean that captures a lot of it there is. 01:00:30
We're really good at FAQ. 01:00:33
Sheet or fact sheet that I can send you that addresses all the different points of House Bill 48? 01:00:35
It does go that the intent of House Bill 48 and I think. 01:00:41
Supported at the beginning of the House bill. 01:00:45
But it improves the insurability in the state of Utah, and that's a big component of their structures. 01:00:47
That's the intent. 01:00:53
And it's kind of a long term goal as well, right? Because you've got so. 01:00:55
So long term assuming they'll be redevelopment overtime and remodeling it at the newly remodeled. 01:00:58
Buildings will have better building code. 01:01:03
Relative to their location. 01:01:06
And it's because there was. 01:01:08
Like insurance, we're not willing to. 01:01:10
That's right. Yeah. It's it's a lot of that information is kind of go storytelling is like I hear a lot of that. 01:01:12
I haven't personally seen a lot of that, but I. 01:01:20
OK, so. 01:01:24
In the House bill, and I don't want to get it wrong, but it is articulated that. 01:01:27
The insurers. 01:01:31
The insurance companies will be able to. 01:01:33
Be able to use the you rat. 01:01:35
Data. So that data is specifically on this and again. 01:01:37
The homeowners that are assessed that fee will have that opportunity to lessen that through mitigation efforts, reducing their 01:01:41
fuel. 01:01:44
Close to their homes. 01:01:48
So, so I hope you're fine. So Gina, you live in. 01:01:50
One of those areas like right outside of OK, so some people being in that area. 01:01:55
There is a fee. 01:02:00
They have. 01:02:02
Mitigating opportunities to lower that fee. 01:02:03
And then and then, assuming we adopt. 01:02:06
Any changes they make on their property or subjects. 01:02:09
To these building costs. 01:02:12
And all of that makes them. 01:02:13
Us as a city eligible. 01:02:15
For the state funds, should we have? 01:02:17
Wildfire incident if you're if you're in lockstep with House Bill 48 and. 01:02:19
UFA is seeing the things that were committed to do as far as our match efforts on our side. 01:02:25
Then you're capable of receiving those funds in that support. If you didn't have a large scale well then fire condition it. 01:02:31
OK, I just sent everybody's a House bill for you. 01:02:37
FAQ S epic years down. 01:02:41
OK, OK. And you read it once, read it twice, read it 3 times and then it starts. 01:02:43
It's interesting the. 01:02:49
So this is a map. 01:02:51
I mean the. 01:02:55
Suggesting that we. 01:02:56
Well, this is. This is the. So this map is made-up of data with the statement. 01:02:58
So our exercise was trying to refine that and. 01:03:05
Localize it to holiday. 01:03:08
But the problem with that data set is that it's rasterized, meaning it's super low resolution. So there's no man you get this. 01:03:11
Kind of that. So the next exercise you find that is an overlay. 01:03:18
That's more meaningful to the blocks and streets. 01:03:23
That's our that's our next map, which is the dark blue here pack. 01:03:26
So it does pick up all of. 01:03:31
SES or the Structure Expenditure score 5. 01:03:34
And refines it to the street blocks rather than trying. 01:03:38
Interpret you know some of these boundaries about structure, even just a lot. 01:03:42
And again pull in. 01:03:47
The block itself. 01:03:49
OK. 01:03:50
Now when you're trying to misinterpret it and I'm going to create some contention. 01:03:53
Now with the one that we have, the blue one. 01:03:57
We don't have that broken down by 567. 01:04:01
Stephanie, if you want to right, if you want to split to the last one is. 01:04:04
So this is the what the dark blue image is what was being proposed as. 01:04:13
The movie overlay. 01:04:17
Saying that it picks up all the five. 01:04:19
Except for a couple of areas that are below wall of sign. 01:04:22
Now we can drop that down. 01:04:24
But most as well as even that other structured storage for four. 01:04:26
And we're including out like. 01:04:32
A lot of you state area. 01:04:33
Just because of the other. 01:04:36
Well, that's that's what the chief is getting to with these Edward risk areas that are. 01:04:38
Historically been considered but not a structure. Exploration 45. 01:04:43
Like the? That's right. 01:04:48
And if you if you look at the top of the map, there's. 01:04:50
And that's drainage and the backside of the cooperation. 01:04:54
So those have their characteristics that are built into the UF now. 01:04:58
If you smoke the under. 01:05:02
Spoiled. 01:05:06
And liverability situation. 01:05:08
And on top of that we would have accessibility problems and low. 01:05:11
Hydrochloric rates. 01:05:16
So they have characteristics of 5-6 and seven, but not in that we concluded it within EU wraps. 01:05:18
Got it. Because they're not. 01:05:23
For wildlife interface, no. OK, so. 01:05:25
Would they by adding these engine areas within they be assessed a fee? 01:05:29
Not the sea. 01:05:34
Yeah, they would be responsible to be in the new building, side building, imposing, the higher the more restrictive building. I'm 01:05:35
OK with that for that. 01:05:39
Brussels I like. 01:05:44
Is is this the same as what that pauses? 01:05:53
Restrictions are for example so F cause. 01:05:55
Has adopted the movie code within Adcos, so you're correct. 01:05:59
That's an interesting conversation. Like if you follow. 01:06:04
The letter of the law. 01:06:07
Unincorporated Salt Lake County may have to do another adoption to be perfectly online. They're pretty close because that caused. 01:06:08
This is applicable within that cost same. 01:06:14
And that's that's a good same. 01:06:17
Movie in there. 01:06:20
I'll reserve my thoughts. 01:06:22
I just like. 01:06:25
My job is to interpret the information, communicate the exactness of it, and you guys have that discretion as the legislative body 01:06:26
can work through that. 01:06:30
When the direction I've had is looking at the flags and above. 01:06:36
And when you even when you hop on the grav map and if you choose a different layer. 01:06:41
You're going to have a different interpretation of what's dangerous and what's not. 01:06:45
This is very specific about the structure exposure sport. 01:06:50
In that metric of measurement that they're using. 01:06:53
And the intention was really my mom, but was to protect. 01:06:58
When it's a wildland urban interface. 01:07:02
It's the wildlife. Like basically everything above outside Blvd. is everything that integrates into the vegetation. 01:07:05
When you when you look at. 01:07:11
That component of your community. 01:07:13
That that does run the wall. Such fun and comes up into there. 01:07:15
That's the area. 01:07:18
In which we're trying to address if we had a success. 01:07:20
To protect and fortify those homes so. 01:07:23
If impingement by wildfire. 01:07:26
Problems like even the eats on your home. 01:07:28
They're going to be fortified through. 01:07:31
She relaxed for building. 01:07:32
Efforts. 01:07:34
A great simple example, and I don't know who builds. 01:07:36
Homes of PVC down pipes now and gutters. 01:07:40
But again you need to have a non combustible gutter which you know will know. 01:07:43
Would be that non combustible gutter. They reference that in the code too and I might. 01:07:46
I haven't seen lately anybody throwing PBC gutters up. Could be. 01:07:50
No judgment. 01:07:55
But that would be 1 conversation. You start working as using that folks. 01:07:58
Again, when I read the code, if you're doing the other things to meet those standards. 01:08:02
And again if. 01:08:06
My focus is if. 01:08:08
The International fire Code. 01:08:10
Your hydrant flows and all of that. 01:08:12
You're there. Are they? Are they? 01:08:14
As a matter if they're exceptional, no. You're meeting that baseline of that fire. 01:08:17
And those are my. 01:08:21
My thoughts on it and as far as my interpretation as a Fire Coat official. 01:08:22
So when you're saying you were concerned about areas in the Jordan River Park Lane. 01:08:27
John was saying like this is kind of a similar thought you were concerned about this just because it is the interaction of a? 01:08:32
More, it's not wildland necessarily, but it's a more natural, it's contiguous field. 01:08:38
But yeah, you hit a. 01:08:43
A warm day in August with goodwill. 01:08:45
And buyers get. 01:08:48
Right, those things happen. 01:08:50
That this is addressing something specific. 01:08:52
And we're at the very direct with. 01:08:54
With how we should be doing it more, should we be doing again, I emphasize. 01:08:57
I communicate that side of it, but it's the legislative body here. 01:09:02
In chapter 3, they're very clear that. 01:09:05
Did you guys the final map? 01:09:08
In the map we're defining and where we apply the building. 01:09:10
There's nothing to do with. 01:09:13
Yeah, that's not even serious out of your control. 01:09:15
The states put that direct, put back in forward, put that responsibility on the county. 01:09:19
And then the county is going to figure out how to. 01:09:24
Bring, you know, so we have to, we have to do this by January. 01:09:29
1st to be compliant with. 01:09:33
So. So we have to adopt. 01:09:35
Howard Knapp and. 01:09:37
Adopt A map and Title 13 changes. 01:09:39
The code and we also thought. 01:09:43
Code in title 13 that addresses. 01:09:46
The building code depending on which. 01:09:49
We have to do that by doing the over whatever our plan, we decide. 01:09:52
And said the Planning Commission is going to. 01:09:56
Aren't talking about this on Tuesday. In advance of that we wanted to make sure. 01:09:58
You were all aware of that. 01:10:03
This is something. 01:10:06
Be a really big deal for people in those areas. 01:10:07
And then we were looking for some guidance about. 01:10:12
These other the areas that might glue on the staff. 01:10:15
Said what happens in a light plane. 01:10:19
And we can even have that later, right? Absolutely. 01:10:25
Every three years in the toe book it says with it even if you want to do more, but you could amend that. 01:10:29
That matter every three years if you wanted to. 01:10:35
I'll give you some historical perspective. Harriman did his. 01:10:38
Did a big map in 2017. 01:10:42
Not a lot of homes will necessarily build in that area. 01:10:44
But the the. 01:10:48
Build after that. 01:10:49
Math adoption and code adoption. 01:10:51
Because you could have standards. 01:10:54
When he looked at a lot of the townhomes in that area and different stuff and they are already meeting those standards again. 01:10:55
They have an asphalt roof which is in here. 01:11:03
They have non combustible gutters and they have. 01:11:05
Plenty of defensible space, so they're meeting that standard. 01:11:08
I built my home in. 01:11:11
In that area. 01:11:12
In 2013, before the adoption, 2017. 01:11:13
So my building standard was different. 01:11:19
And I don't know unless my. 01:11:22
At a later date not attached to the map in the building code if I'm assessed by the state or state through the county which I 01:11:25
anticipate. 01:11:29
Then in a conversation with me. 01:11:33
Dismantling all my wifes beautiful pine trees is going to be. 01:11:35
Yeah. And that's the other component that you need to make sure that you consider is that you do have. 01:11:39
You can be sustainability plan. 01:11:45
Oh, and with that? 01:11:47
Defensible space. 01:11:50
Congruent to that. 01:11:51
That's tricky so that if we adopt this map. 01:11:52
The code that's put in place in title 13 will apply to every home inside the light blue area. 01:11:58
And the dark blue. The light blue is an option if you wanted to the dark blue. 01:12:04
It seems to hand. Don't take. 01:12:09
Oh, right. W that I think, well, I guess one question I'd have is that. 01:12:11
I look at where the light blue is. 01:12:17
And it seems to me like almost everything West of there should be in there. It's all. 01:12:20
Like where? Cottonwood Langos. 01:12:25
Yeah. What we haven't included then? 01:12:29
Their methodology was. 01:12:32
Either areas they're either on. 01:12:34
Very long. Very. 01:12:36
Narrow private lines here. 01:12:38
Horrible turn around. So it's more of an accessibility issue, not. 01:12:40
A tree can be. 01:12:44
Yeah, so I included would be. 01:12:46
Public that would have. So yeah. 01:12:49
And and we have better fire flow. 01:12:51
Hydrants. No, it's not. 01:12:54
It's really just Locker. 01:12:56
He said he's gonna walk. 01:12:58
So but I guess. 01:13:02
I'm glad you brought that up so. 01:13:04
Tell me how? 01:13:06
The physical space requirements would conflict with the tree Kennedy. 01:13:07
Canopy because that's the. 01:13:10
Area where it's. 01:13:12
Pre county insurance. 01:13:14
So we want all of our heads chopped off. 01:13:16
They have to. 01:13:21
Really. Pattern and tree canopy sustainability. 01:13:23
The post reasoned to me, even though there's some of you just can't. 01:13:26
But if they're within the dispensable space. 01:13:29
We're going to have a requirement to have it moved regardless to say that. 01:13:32
Attribute protection plan. 01:13:36
Requires them to be kept. Now what you can do? 01:13:38
Is trying to relocate them. 01:13:41
I mean the plan essentially. 01:13:43
Assumes that anti sustainability. 01:13:45
Those fees that are removed have to be replaced someplace else. 01:13:48
So you don't lose. 01:13:51
Can't be in itself overtime. 01:13:53
So they would just need to. 01:13:55
Assuming we did this, they would need to. 01:13:57
Move trees if they're in the defensible space, and then. 01:14:00
Replant and the replant trees. 01:14:05
Further from the river. 01:14:07
Further from the building. 01:14:08
But still within that property. 01:14:10
Yes, but only if they're building a limo. 01:14:12
Yes. 01:14:15
That's how I don't underst. 01:14:16
Thank you anytime this. 01:14:18
I think it's more than the. 01:14:21
With more than 20%, I promise. 01:14:26
New additions and properties. Yeah, so. 01:14:28
And how big is white colors? How big is my business space? 01:14:32
Cable 603.2 moderate hazard, so let's say. 01:14:36
And this is more referencing. 01:14:40
In that SCS work on one of the less in my. 01:14:43
My feet if I wanted to meet the standard moderate hazard, which I would qualify without seeing exactly what's going to be 01:14:47
promulgated. 01:14:51
Would be 30 feet. 01:14:55
I have no tree within 32 high hazard. 01:14:57
If we were in that, and again I would probably bomb that into the higher as he has scored maybe 7 to 8 would be 50 feet. 01:15:01
Extreme hazard, which would be. 01:15:08
7:00 to 10:00 somewhere in there would be that 100 feet. 01:15:12
That these are the four. 01:15:16
Which what would be. 01:15:18
This is actually, and that's where I look at the building official and say how do you interpret it? 01:15:20
And I bet you you do it as a. 01:15:26
Early for me. 01:15:28
Error again, as I've been saying, might be 25 is 30 feet. 01:15:30
There were previous City Council having a similar conversation in 2017. 01:15:36
We've been a different role at that time. 01:15:44
Felt felt like they could not make that decision. 01:15:49
And that's part of the reason we're bringing it back. 01:15:53
To you just to see that. 01:15:55
You are so different. 01:15:57
So I actually have a question for Todd. 01:15:59
With everything that's happened in California and. 01:16:03
If we. 01:16:06
Say no, we're not going to adopt this. Could it come back to the city like you didn't create? 01:16:07
Effective protected codes if I mean assuming there was a fire that happened in. 01:16:13
Right. But in the white building, yeah, the white bloom area. 01:16:19
And we but we didn't adopt this. 01:16:23
These building codes. 01:16:25
Could that come back and say we were negligent because we recognized that there was some level of risk? 01:16:28
And we? 01:16:34
Chose not to act. 01:16:35
I think you have. 01:16:36
Fairly strong protection under the Governmental Immunity Act for. 01:16:38
A decision that's. 01:16:42
Discretionary within your legislative role. 01:16:45
I can't. I don't know that I can evaluate that fully right now. We haven't had a question like that in the Utah Governmental 01:16:48
Immunity Act. 01:16:52
You haven't seen. 01:16:56
I I would not. 01:16:59
Expect you. 01:17:00
In a good current liability for the city based on. 01:17:02
I made a slight decision. Unless it's only arbitrary. 01:17:05
You know and. 01:17:09
The maps you're looking at now and the way the. 01:17:11
The maps have been drawn the lines you're trying to draw for risk. 01:17:14
Unless you were sort of wholesale ignoring. 01:17:19
Yeah, I wouldn't expect liability to fall on you. 01:17:23
Where you're looking at the situation between your light blue and your dark blue. 01:17:27
You look at the risk factors on. 01:17:31
You know the difference between the dark blue and the light blue lion? 01:17:33
It's tough for me to say that that would be an issue, a place where you would incur liability. 01:17:36
If you're ignoring the orange lines. 01:17:41
You know, yeah, I mean, we can start that different conversations about that, but. 01:17:44
You're drawing sign distinctions with a lot of policy implications. 01:17:49
And I just don't have. 01:17:53
The sense that that's likely to result in liability on the city. 01:17:56
For that kind of resistance. 01:18:00
The state resource reimbursement, yeah. 01:18:03
Is that so? We. 01:18:06
In there according to the URAP map 5 and above. 01:18:09
It's it's solely centered around adopting A wooly boundary map. 01:18:14
The direction kind of the finite details. 01:18:19
And the training that I've received from the state is. 01:18:22
S s score in five and above this direction. 01:18:24
Like this? 01:18:30
And then follow the yellow for example about that is our map and that would be breaks out down below. 01:18:31
You're still covered it it. 01:18:38
If and I guess. 01:18:40
That would be more of. 01:18:43
A fire knot in the urban interface if it was below right? 01:18:44
I mean, it may run a couple properties, but it's not going to take off through. 01:18:48
Area that is open city property that integrates into the foothills. 01:18:53
But what is in there is captured in a map. 01:18:57
If you're 5 and above. 01:19:01
And you're coming there as far as? 01:19:03
The the cooperative agreement that you're already in, So the cooperative read though. 01:19:05
Covers. 01:19:10
Only the five of the buttons. 01:19:13
Or no. 01:19:14
Let's say you said I don't want to do this. I want to capture all the eights through tenants. 01:19:16
And I wanted to do that. 01:19:27
You would still be in. 01:19:28
In line with House Bill 48. 01:19:30
Again, the direction I have is the title for the state benefit of the entitled state benefit if you said. 01:19:33
Be fine but. 01:19:39
These are probably by. 01:19:40
Weights fast gas is probably going to be in that 7 range. 01:19:42
And that's a guess just looking at the graph and Kimberly reading. 01:19:46
Reading through. 01:19:49
What I'm seeing? 01:19:50
I don't think you're asking if there's a fire in an unadopted area and you're between. 01:19:52
Not we still parry life for the state funding reimbursement. So if there's a fire below. 01:19:58
2:15 and it runs across 215. 01:20:04
And if it gets up in the hills? 01:20:07
We, yours, we still qualify for that. 01:20:08
Or even defensive concerns about? 01:20:11
And even if our, even if our maps didn't include, didn't include that. 01:20:15
Came in the holiday. 01:20:21
You. 01:20:22
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2 questions for John. 01:20:25
Why did you not include those? 01:20:29
Houses on the West. 01:20:32
Inside the northwest side, there the blue that are part of the darker yellow. 01:20:34
Yeah, yeah. So. 01:20:40
Yeah, that's my first question. And then why did did you include kind of big area, I mean, just because there's nothing there in 01:20:42
that area right there? 01:20:46
But. 01:20:50
OK, so who's the Bank of the golf course? Once we grab that parcel from the select tool, it just. 01:20:53
And pills in him. 01:20:59
That goes all the way. But why did you include them in the dark blue instead of making that light blue simply going straight to 01:21:01
the wall? 01:21:06
Picking up more homes that would not be. 01:21:15
So this is more of a. 01:21:20
Decision. It's really how strict this city wants to be in terms of our code. 01:21:22
That decision. And so what's the policy decision you're looking for us as it writes that map. 01:21:27
Are you interested in? 01:21:33
Staying with. 01:21:35
Only 5 and above, and that would include as we're interpreting it, but. 01:21:37
Dark blue there is. 01:21:41
Or are you interested in expanding? 01:21:43
The the definition of interface and including that light blue area, that's the only question really is that light blue area? Yeah. 01:21:47
And there are a couple of other like blue areas. 01:21:53
Is that what is that if we agree with that? 01:21:59
How the dark blue is gone? 01:22:03
So that's an election, but. 01:22:05
1st we want to get with. 01:22:06
How do you feel about this? 01:22:09
Option B. 01:22:11
The lighten up areas and so cheating away. We say that and. 01:22:12
Previous Council. 01:22:15
Not only they didn't want to do that. 01:22:16
They they weren't dealing with this legislation, so they weren't. 01:22:19
They were dealing with the doctrine of the wound. 01:22:23
OK. 01:22:26
Yes, it's still looking. 01:22:29
It's really smooth as far as like the dark blue area. We have to act on that pretty quickly. We do. 01:22:35
'Cause like I. 01:22:41
I'm not ready to make a decision kind of where I'm because. 01:22:43
I'm concerned about. 01:22:48
The verdict on property owners and and new. 01:22:51
And dealing with the tree canopy and all that. I think I was pleased to hear the tip, but. 01:22:55
I've had people, and even to the West of their. 01:23:00
In fact, somebody who was like, tell me when you're talking about fires because I'm really concerned, especially after that fire. 01:23:03
In Mill Creek, December. 01:23:10
And they were concerned with. 01:23:12
A parallel issue of just. 01:23:14
Non maintained lots. They overgrown. They overgrown and everything but. 01:23:17
I'm hearing a lot. 01:23:22
More people. 01:23:23
Reaching out to me about. 01:23:24
Fire concerns too, so I. 01:23:25
I wonder if we can explore this more and. 01:23:28
Get some feedback from the community on what it would like I mean. 01:23:30
Because I don't feel like I have a good sense of people are more concerned. 01:23:35
About umm. 01:23:38
Fire Protection a fire codes or if they're more concerned like. 01:23:40
When I remodel my house, it's going to be a huge pain to move a tree. I don't feel like I have a good sense on that, but. 01:23:44
I think this is a really important questions to be asking. 01:23:49
So it sounds like what you're suggesting it's moving forward with an adoption of something 5 and above now and then having a more 01:23:51
complete. 01:23:55
Engagement process over the next. 01:24:00
Say a year and a half. 01:24:02
That's not 5 and above or less if there's something like that section there of. 01:24:03
You know where Wallace is, for example, if you feel like. And that's where, yeah, that that would get I I agree with Emily on 01:24:09
this. I'm just a little bit concerned about. 01:24:14
Continuing to add. 01:24:19
Burden to property owners and staff for that matter, we just. 01:24:21
Thought that the lighting ordinance would. 01:24:25
Canopy ordinance, all these things we're putting in the. 01:24:27
But I do have a question about the light blue areas. 01:24:30
North where Neffs Creek is and Spring Creek. 01:24:34
Those have been identified as light blue. 01:24:37
Those might be a little bit different conversation, I mean. 01:24:40
Is there a more higher propensity for fire to get into those waterways? 01:24:44
Doing. I don't know about getting into them, but at least. 01:24:50
Moving quickly through that, yeah, yes, I don't know if that's a different conversation than the urban area right here. 01:24:54
Both sort of. 01:25:04
Question of the rest vegetation. 01:25:07
That's what being different. 01:25:09
Yeah, I mean, but also. 01:25:13
By not adopting the code those areas doesn't mean that. 01:25:16
The people who build and remodel their. 01:25:21
Can't adopt those building standards anyway. 01:25:24
As a choice as opposed to being. 01:25:26
The mouse we're talking about. 01:25:29
Wealthy. Sophisticated. 01:25:31
Ivan Builders. 01:25:34
But I'm OK right now personally with the five and up that you've proposed with, you know? 01:25:36
Because you, you said, Chief, that we could revisit this in a few years too. 01:25:41
Many Facebook it gives you a. 01:25:47
With your fire cone official and in. 01:25:51
Consensus with the forestry, fire and state lands. 01:25:53
You can revisit this in a man. 01:25:57
And then the matic after more factor less it doesn't. 01:25:59
Articulate anything else so. 01:26:03
You sent out a postcard to. Is it everybody in the? 01:26:06
The orange and red area or is it everybody in the blue areas? 01:26:10
Oh, 851. 01:26:15
So maybe in their? 01:26:17
And you gotta know about next. 01:26:18
Tuesday so. 01:26:20
I mean, maybe if you can share with us that data on a kind of comments that you're getting, I think that could be really helpful. 01:26:22
First knowing about. 01:26:27
And I think it's. 01:26:29
At least, especially. 01:26:30
Where I'm having the questions for my blueberry. 01:26:31
What more people are thinking about? 01:26:35
Sure, and I think the. 01:26:38
Hi, Michelle. Probably. 01:26:40
It would be helpful to understand. 01:26:43
Where the Council's leading to which? 01:26:46
Like but now on the overlay is going to be interested in having a recommendation on. 01:26:48
OK, aren't we saying? 01:26:53
Let's see the dark blue for now and then, yeah. 01:26:56
Well, I think that's the dark blue. 01:27:00
I find it analysis if you. 01:27:03
It is 5. 01:27:06
No, no, isn't the. 01:27:08
The five? Yeah, it was 4. 01:27:10
You know the dark yellow. 01:27:12
Awesome. Yeah, see this. 01:27:14
Stephanie Yeah. 01:27:15
You need to stand here, right? 01:27:20
That's 567, yeah. So 5 and up would be that dark yellow band in the past. 01:27:21
Was picking up quite a bit there on that southwest corner. 01:27:26
And it's all made aside against the. 01:27:30
So that is not fine. 01:27:34
Right. So hillside. 01:27:37
That doesn't include homes. 01:27:40
That long narrow stood for the. 01:27:42
Oh yes, the part of our challenge is also trying to explain. 01:27:45
And that is why you're seeing some of those additional. 01:27:51
Office or who's got it? 01:27:53
Oh, Wallace Lane boundaries. 01:27:55
Which is considered a best practice finding a geographical? 01:27:57
I see physique implications or? 01:28:01
Or a river or something like that and. 01:28:04
Capturing that just so your citizenry can understand. So you're saying. 01:28:06
Rather, the best practice is to take the yellow and then use that as a guide, but then use. 01:28:10
Streets or other geographic features that's the best practice is to. 01:28:15
Make it easy for the. 01:28:21
Populations. 01:28:22
If it's capturing some infrastructure that you want to identify it at this point and above would be great. 01:28:24
Or if you want to capture it off of a waterway. 01:28:30
Chairman, for example, captured it off of Mountain View corridor. 01:28:33
They just said if anything above here and anything above MLN drive. 01:28:37
And absolutely dead but the blue. 01:28:41
Right. We literally usually have a conversation between two neighboring properties saying you are in five. I'm not. 01:28:43
Because look, because you look at that dark yellow and you have like next door neighbors that are in it just extended it, all 01:28:49
right. 01:28:52
But but we could say the dark yellow. 01:28:55
Down to I took the scene for example. 01:28:58
Right. Well, that would be milk, but yes. 01:29:00
Now. 01:29:05
This this is what you got so that. 01:29:08
So now OK. 01:29:10
So like. 01:29:13
All of this right here. Well, let's see. 01:29:14
I just wrestled with him right, so this is getting ended 75 but. 01:29:16
Is there a reason to drop the low I215 necessarily? I guess is my question. 01:29:20
The purposes of satisfying our you know, our December 31st deadline. 01:29:24
Yeah, 2:15 is a massive if the objective is to protect them. 01:29:28
Why not? Why don't interface? 01:29:32
And the mountain side and Mount Olympus and all of that. 01:29:34
2:15. 01:29:38
So that's a massive fire. 01:29:40
Fire starting on property which they can't control or get to. 01:29:48
They're moving down into the. 01:29:51
As Ben has come up at least a few times the best. 01:29:54
So coming down off the way to the field, I said West. 01:29:57
Person, which is fine, but that risk is there. 01:30:01
Isn't it like? 01:30:04
In lots of pockets throughout this and that's why we included in the drug. 01:30:06
That you can eliminate it or not manage yourself to it. 01:30:09
Have that conversation with neighbors. 01:30:13
On that same street with looking at their backyards having the exact same scenario. 01:30:15
Yeah. 01:30:19
I might think. 01:30:25
Look at first meaning that's the center 31st bed, or deadline rather. 01:30:27
And then having further discussion meeting for the Republican, Yeah. So I think that she will give you that input and we'll have a 01:30:32
summary from the target. 01:30:35
You know when they make a recommendation, you can still. 01:30:39
Right, we find it from. 01:30:43
I think it's really important to make very clear what that practically means, right? So if there's something else in the military. 01:30:45
These three foot setbacks and. 01:30:50
Whatever else, I think because housing affordability is the issue. 01:30:52
Yes, there's people with, there's also a lot of people with that that don't have a lot of money in some in some areas, yeah, some 01:30:56
of these areas up along here, right. My previous point was specifically about the state areas. 01:31:02
The white, blue. 01:31:09
State areas, but. 01:31:10
But even the dark blue that's, you know, I mean, it's not that's not within that was a different standard, so. 01:31:11
So. 01:31:19
My personal take is as far as like December 30. 01:31:21
What that doing something to us? 01:31:24
5 or greater, that's above. 01:31:26
A massive fire break like I took the scene or something. 01:31:29
And then as far as I find the building code. 01:31:33
I can find it elsewhere. 01:31:36
We'll see what the vibration you know. 01:31:38
What other thing but aside I guess. 01:31:40
Whatever I do, there is nothing about. 01:31:43
We'll have another discussion after. Absolutely. OK. So we don't definitely decide and again, we're a lot, a lot more about. 01:31:46
Practically speaking, what does that mean? It's just to those people. 01:31:53
Right. Well, yeah, absolutely. Conversation will definitely count. Dan is especially following. 01:31:56
We just wanted to make sure that there was absolutely an area you did not want the Planning Commission to consider at all 01:32:02
whatsoever. 01:32:06
Next week. 01:32:11
Not considered as part of the regulation. It's part of the. 01:32:13
Immigration, It sounds like we want to take the light blue out. 01:32:16
And but also but also give them the guidance. 01:32:20
That and I don't think we need to go through right here. 01:32:24
But also give them the guidance that we had a lot, lot of discussion about. It makes a lot of sense to have. 01:32:26
Some kind of identifiable. 01:32:31
Structure or geographic element? 01:32:35
For Barry, so it's not confusion about. 01:32:37
You're in your neighbor across the street. It's not, and it's. 01:32:40
Residential neighborhood. 01:32:43
That there's some. 01:32:45
Delineation there like I 215. 01:32:47
So you've already sent out the. 01:32:49
Postcards to the light blue area. 01:32:51
So I would be. 01:32:53
Even though this is for a later discussion, I would be interested in knowing what they think. If they're more like oh I'm so glad 01:32:55
we're protecting this or oh, this is very onerous for him, I would love to. 01:33:00
Well, that's going to the. 01:33:04
Planning Commission, they're going to have a public hearing and then we're going to have a public hearing. So we'll get. 01:33:06
One, I think you're just looking to try to give something to the Planning Commission. 01:33:11
That reflects where. 01:33:16
If council generally is on this, so we're just not. 01:33:17
I think that's in theory we could have our we could adopt it minus the step back portion or something. 01:33:21
Is that correct? 01:33:29
Like we could. Could we tweak it or? 01:33:30
You know, so that it's not at odds with our tree campus. 01:33:37
No, no, those pills like Iman. 01:33:42
Is that what you're talking about? 01:33:46
Yeah, moving the defensible stationary, right. 01:33:47
I mean I guess wait, I think he might be saying is he'd do 2 over like areas. So one that is like strictly interpretation. 01:33:51
You have sense in minds. 01:34:03
Zone, yeah, which has different standards, yeah. 01:34:05
Perhaps the discussions are not the partisan. 01:34:11
Just sure. 01:34:23
I live right on the West side. 01:34:26
So I won't be advising on this issue. 01:34:28
Very tightly begets to those kind of questions another one of the partners in my office. 01:34:32
Public advice. 01:34:36
We'll take this kind of carried out a little. 01:34:38
Piece for your. 01:34:43
OK, I. 01:34:51
Have you got what you need, John? 01:34:53
I don't think you're supposed to leave though. 01:34:55
Sorry. 01:34:58
Thanks for that. The Chief can then you guys are going to look for it now, right for assignment on the road. Anytime you need 01:35:01
money, you'll have me and I do want to compliment your liaison. 01:35:05
He's jumping all over me to get to get answers about this. So he was very assertive in his. 01:35:11
And it's engaged, but. 01:35:18
Thank you for everything. 01:35:22
OK, you gotta hold on just a minute. I gotta try and get Delaney in. 01:35:27
She's probably been sitting there going where is everybody? 01:35:31
Let's see. 01:35:34
Oh, no, I don't know where customers are. Thank you. 01:36:04
I don't know what my password is. 01:36:28
And the neighborhood, that site. 01:36:34
So I. 01:36:48
Like. 01:36:51
It's not in the reaction, despite the fear that we don't have to work absolutely it. 01:36:53
Protect your area, which makes sense. 01:37:05
Otherwise. 01:37:13
1600. 01:37:16
Known as a sound bar that's always been regulated. 01:37:22
That, let me say, clean up their stuff though. 01:37:25
That went over and. 01:37:35
Yeah. And it was exactly that. It was exactly that. 01:37:44
You sorry. 01:37:50
Do you have a phone number for Delaney or anything? 01:37:53
Do you want to see if you? 01:37:55
Yeah. 01:37:57
But she's not on there. 01:38:00
I think we have the US. 01:38:01
I go to the UF. 01:38:04
It's John. 01:38:21
Trying to get you on. 01:38:22
Oh yeah, we just, we went long on the previous discussion. 01:38:29
I appreciate the help because now we know. 01:38:38
SMS Father. 01:38:43
It was very. 01:38:47
How are you good feeling? 01:38:51
Good, good. Sorry I couldn't give you an answer to a question. I looked at the candidates and I thought I don't recommend 01:38:52
anything. So did you read the BIOS? 01:38:56
The Emperor District board? Sure I did. 01:39:05
Just of course I did. Reminder. Well, I don't even ask me that. 01:39:09
Yeah, for the district. 01:39:14
I did once I was helping, I didn't need. 01:39:25
All the ones. 01:39:30
Makashi Harris. 01:39:32
There you go. 01:39:34
Yeah, OK, great. Hopefully you got audio one too. 01:39:38
Mitzi Harris. 01:39:43
So the. 01:39:44
I can hear myself under we can at least start talking about this so you can you can just. 01:39:45
Set the table here I think the. 01:39:50
What we talked about was. 01:39:52
Even though this hasn't gone to the Planning Commission yet right for their public hearing. 01:39:54
That right, John? We are in our third reading with it. 01:39:58
OK. 01:40:01
But. 01:40:02
Where we're trying to, we want to get this through the City Council and passed by the end of the calendar. That's the goal, right? 01:40:03
So we thought it would be it probably time well spent. 01:40:10
To at least. 01:40:13
Because I'm assuming that where you're at right now with the Planning Commission is you're you've got to have a complete document, 01:40:15
I'm assuming. 01:40:18
And so it wouldn't hurt us to get a little ahead of the game here and at least get. 01:40:22
Kind of your overview on where we're at with the general plan. 01:40:26
And, umm. 01:40:29
You know, get the City Council going. 01:40:31
Not wait till it's through the Planning Commission completely start now. 01:40:33
I mean, I can get an intro to that, but I'll probably steal Delaney. I'll just turn it over to you guys. 01:40:37
That was that was my recollection of what? 01:40:43
So I think. 01:40:51
Actually, maybe you should refer to John Technical stuff engagement, So. 01:40:58
So generally what we've done is. 01:41:05
Initiated this process. 01:41:08
Over several Snapchat. 01:41:13
Open Shepherds game. 01:41:15
Some public input on various topics. 01:41:17
Generally what we're trying to do is, is update the general plan. 01:41:20
So that a lot of the terminology is is in my mistake law. 01:41:24
It becomes a little bit more readable and approachable to a lot of different audiences. 01:41:29
Public development side and the legislative side like Express City. 01:41:34
So those engagement opportunities has created a lot of concepts that have been incorporated in this update. 01:41:40
A full draft has been created and the Planning Commission has gone through. 01:41:48
Get that draft chapter by chapter. 01:41:54
And they're creating. That's about what I'm foreseeing right now is three sets of different comments. 01:41:56
One that's generated by the public. 01:42:03
Ones that are maybe policy. 01:42:06
Related concerns that are going to be recommended to the City Council. 01:42:09
You sort of consider as as a different. 01:42:14
Direction than the original general plan has been early this off. 01:42:16
And then there's some minor edits and updates to what the plan has. 01:42:21
So. 01:42:28
Maybe go on to the next. 01:42:30
Slide 7. 01:42:31
And so here's what the. 01:42:35
Phase one was building a foundation down there, all the information. 01:42:38
Human vision exercises. 01:42:43
Definite opportunities. 01:42:45
And we're now at Stage 3. You've got. 01:42:47
Normally draft plans. 01:42:49
Federal Planning Commission. 01:42:51
It's in the process of public review will be shortened. 01:42:54
And so we're. 01:42:58
And that's what the strategy I was going to. 01:43:00
Personal side note, one of the things we're going to talk about here is a slide. 01:43:02
What are we changing? I was on the Planning Commission when the current plan was adopted. 01:43:06
And there's not a great deal of change in terms of overall policy. 01:43:11
Vision Objectives. 01:43:15
As John said, the name changes have really. 01:43:17
To comply with state law. 01:43:20
And the next document more usable. 01:43:21
Some of there's I think the city's still on pretty much the same track in Iran in 2016. 01:43:24
In terms of where we want to go. 01:43:30
Next slide. 01:43:34
If Delaney able to join us or? 01:43:38
She was there, she was there. I don't know if she can hear us. 01:43:40
I think it's access to audio and video. Can you hear me? 01:43:44
Yeah, OK, awesome. 01:43:50
I can hear you guys. Could you laugh? 01:43:53
Secondly, I can't see the video. 01:43:55
Or that a 5 steps? 01:43:57
So you did exactly well at moment. 01:43:59
Ross, yeah, on slide 3. 01:44:03
I mean. 01:44:09
Not the graphic, but the next. 01:44:10
Foundation is the. 01:44:13
The project overview site. 01:44:15
Yes. Umm. 01:44:17
Great. OK, so. 01:44:18
The next slide, Stephanie? 01:44:21
Project support is also a project over this slide and you will. 01:44:24
I think you've seen this slide before. I can talk about it the last time we started to see about the general plan. 01:44:28
And this you'll see is the engagement opportunities that we had throughout the OR throughout the update. 01:44:35
And so you can see we had three events or sets of events. 01:44:42
And then we had four opportunities for people to engage online, three kind of questionnaires and then one opportunity for people 01:44:46
to actually respond to the draft. 01:44:50
Plan which has been available since. 01:44:55
And then my next. 01:44:58
Wright, Stephanie. 01:45:03
Mohammed's houses really quickly about. 01:45:06
Sandy Harris. 01:45:53
Jessie Lynch. 01:48:54
Stephen Douglas. 01:49:00
So. 01:50:29
Skip. 01:56:05
Versus. 01:56:13
But. 01:57:40
Sioux City. 01:57:59
Children's tips. 01:58:54
So really I had a question about removing the professional office commercial. 01:59:13
People just. 01:59:19
Just went into that. 01:59:21
So I feel bad for him. Well, I I feel like it's. 01:59:24
It's an important zone to provide a buffer between more commercial areas and neighborhoods. 01:59:27
Because those mixed office commercials are really like. 01:59:34
They're commercial, but they're very low impact. 01:59:38
And low umm. 01:59:41
There's not a lot going on. It's not loud. 01:59:43
And so it it provides a really good. 01:59:46
Buffer for those areas where we currently have that zone. 01:59:49
I think that the neighborhoods abutting that really appreciate. 01:59:54
Having that. 01:59:57
Kind of. 01:59:59
Buffer zoning before you get into. 02:00:00
Restaurants and other things that are more. 02:00:03
High density mountains or intense use? They can. 02:00:08
And I so I. 02:00:12
I I kind of would like to keep that. 02:00:15
I agree. 02:00:18
Support system is I mean. 02:00:22
What is the professional office zone which would have been previously the RMU? 02:00:25
I'm sorry, we are Amazon included. 02:00:31
Family and officers, right? This doesn't get you rid of the zone. This is the new necessity, the general land use categories. 02:00:35
Where a pedo is on the stove fit in. 02:00:43
One of those categories, but outside. 02:00:45
You're not getting into the zone. 02:00:48
Understood. I thought those four people that just came in over the past year and. 02:00:52
Something changed, so let's explain that again so it's. 02:01:00
What language does this make sure your category placeholders that. 02:01:05
That a lot of. 02:01:09
Of your. 02:01:10
There are places, there's lightning zones themselves. 02:01:12
So for example commercial can include C1C2 and African commercial other types of zones. 02:01:15
They're available in this general area. 02:01:20
Professional officers still have PO for you to be available to use in that. 02:01:24
That area as a tool to buffer. 02:01:28
So you're just as you're saying that professional office rather than being an overarching category is still going to be a zone 02:01:30
within the category of commercial? 02:01:34
Right. 02:01:38
OK. Can you get very specific in line use description of the dental plan, you kind of lose some flexibility of applying other 02:01:39
zones? 02:01:43
Some generalized as lands districts a little bit. 02:01:49
This is one of the things that historically has been an issue when we get into. 02:01:51
General plan analysis. 02:01:56
Start debating on what. 02:01:57
And actually if it was random. 02:02:00
That's right. You mean for you? 02:02:02
As a tool to apply. 02:02:04
OK, so keeping the 11. 02:02:05
Then we're blurry. 02:02:07
But we're not getting rid of it as as a possibility. OK, I'm good. 02:02:10
Not messaging 6000. 02:02:14
Yeah. 02:02:16
Thank you. 02:02:19
Hey. 02:02:23
So was tonight and introd. 02:02:42
To it and then there will be an opportunity and. 02:02:44
After we've digested it more, I'm hoping that this is the case anyway. 02:02:47
Just to go back to that, this is. 02:02:52
Just an overview of where we are in the process and the planet which is looking at her. 02:02:54
But it should be coming to you very soon. 02:03:00
I'm looking very. 02:03:02
Because we would love. 02:03:04
This Council to adopt the. 02:03:06
The General. 02:03:10
Team meeting Wednesday. 02:03:12
And immediately. 02:03:14
It's Thursday. We're already getting. 02:03:15
Work profits back from. 02:03:17
Yeah, well. 02:03:20
Yeah. 02:03:22
Is that the end? 02:03:23
No, OK. 02:03:27
Yes, thank you. 02:03:55
Again. 02:04:27
You know so. 02:04:45
Bexhill. 02:04:48
Twisted. 02:04:59
Jensen, Thompson. 02:05:47
Saudi Lawson. 02:05:51
Tisu Pharmaceutical. 02:08:12
1066. 02:08:23
Mitzi. 02:10:54
Thanks darling. 02:16:08
Hello, so we one thing that I'm going to we didn't want to get concerned one of the. 02:16:13
Three committee members have seen this, but it's the interactive. 02:16:19
Orally so the plan document will have links. 02:16:23
To portal and. 02:16:26
People can get into the portal and do research. 02:16:29
On average home prices in the neighborhood. 02:16:32
Or you know US. Or. 02:16:35
All kinds of data. 02:16:38
It's as I said, it's interactive so that. 02:16:40
Folkestone ask questions that they've got and do their own research. 02:16:43
That's my first thought of it was pretty cool. 02:16:48
Yeah, that's a nice brand new that I really haven't seen for you instead, it's not the static document that's historically, it's 02:16:51
more. 02:16:54
Like using American textbook? 02:16:57
It is also much more differently. I just want to. 02:16:59
Really grateful to. 02:17:03
Delaney and everybody at Logan Sims and you guys have really just done a fantastic job. 02:17:04
But it's these guys, yeah. 02:17:09
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean. 02:17:12
So going back to what you said, Jim and I went through this with you 10 years ago. 02:17:15
So I know how much and the work. 02:17:20
Who was that? Was it Emily and Paul? 02:17:22
On the committee, how much work that's taken, but. 02:17:25
My sense is based on your leading comment and really. 02:17:27
Kind of the closing. 02:17:32
Visioning statements that haven't changed much from. 02:17:33
10 years ago to now. 02:17:36
But it's my channel. 02:17:38
Impression. Really. 02:17:41
People who live in. 02:17:43
Still see it pretty much the same way they did 10 years ago. 02:17:44
They value the same kinds of things. 02:17:48
They want to see Pauli's future develop. 02:17:52
Appropriate. They acknowledge there's going to be some change in the future. 02:17:54
But understand that at least the spiritual. 02:17:58
Most area. 02:18:01
So. 02:18:03
There's not been nice. 02:18:05
It's made dramatic change. 02:18:07
But I think one thing. 02:18:09
Princess like a chatter. 02:18:11
So you know, the planning textbook says we have a chapter. How? 02:18:13
We're just calling this all in here. 02:18:17
Because those are the words that we heard. 02:18:19
When they're rather in the community talking to people. 02:18:21
What was important? 02:18:23
So if they think. 02:18:25
Quality neighborhoods is their biggest. 02:18:27
You can see a Champer panel. 02:18:30
No, they won't. This is where. 02:18:31
My stuff lists, I don't have to. 02:18:34
Zero. Does housing cover what I'm interested in? 02:18:37
So those to me kind of changes. 02:18:40
The portal making a. 02:18:44
Sort of, you know. 02:18:46
Personal state language better than all player. 02:18:48
But yeah, I'm just, I'm just. 02:18:51
My sense is by the time the Council gets. 02:18:54
And it's gone through. 02:18:57
The committee. 02:18:59
And all the public interactions, and that's all been worked into the document that goes through the Planning Commission. 02:19:02
Then by the time we get it. 02:19:09
Because it's. 02:19:10
It's it's not a non contract, they're not going to be non controversial changes. 02:19:11
To the document. 02:19:17
I don't sense that we're going to have a lot of. 02:19:19
If we have anything to say, it's going to be probably minor tweaks to it by the time we get it. 02:19:21
I don't want to stick to the account, but that's kind of my. 02:19:28
One of the room steering committee. 02:19:31
Really. Yeah, hold up their sleeves. And yeah, you got to take that. 02:19:33
All the hard work's been done by the type against us and all the. 02:19:36
Major issues have been worked through and decided and I just don't. 02:19:40
So by the time we get it and go to public hearing on the 20th. 02:19:44
I don't see it as being a lot of. 02:19:48
Issues we're going to have to deal with sports. 02:19:51
Is that, is that a good estimate of the unique number of holiday residents that provided input And there's that survey. 02:19:54
Want something that's something that happened? 02:20:02
Is there like a total there's? 02:20:04
There's no way to give an estimate about it. 02:20:06
Or yeah, that's right. That would be very interesting. 02:20:08
OK, so you make it. 02:20:13
This was with regard. 02:20:17
To how do you want to? 02:20:19
How? Thank you, Prosper. 02:20:21
It's a controversial project to prove it for a reason. 02:20:24
Or zoning change. 02:20:27
Some of them so at the. 02:20:31
Planning stage, It really is a challenge to get people to engage. 02:20:33
And the usual suspects of the committee. 02:20:37
You know, folks who have gotten interested in a particular aspect of life, technology. 02:20:41
They definitely jumped in. 02:20:46
We feel really good about. 02:20:47
The thoughtfulness and Brits. 02:20:50
Really the input that we've got, the numbers. 02:20:52
Like you'd not have 5 or 600 people. 02:20:56
Yeah, question. 02:21:02
Payable himself ultimately. 02:21:06
Put that together. 02:21:08
But Logan Simpson was coming together. But at least from staff's point of view. 02:21:12
Is the way that the language statistics are laid out in a very clear and concise? 02:21:16
Layout rather than having a short paragraph that the status you have to. 02:21:22
Interpret. 02:21:26
And give to City Council for legislative decision. 02:21:27
That interpretation could change from planet to plan. 02:21:30
In these scenarios, with these pages that are provided you now is. 02:21:33
It takes the owners of that analysis and it gives a very clear picture of what's being proposed. 02:21:38
What the tools you have to implement that plan? 02:21:43
Is what the impact should be. 02:21:46
By using that online portal. 02:21:48
One other question. 02:21:53
Murray Holly wrote these things. I listened. 02:21:55
Holiday health? What was that? How? The single area? 02:21:57
Have you had Smile? Yeah, I'm sure. And it wasn't about a small area. 02:22:01
Was there anything that was, was that touched on it or was that or? 02:22:07
Yes, as I recall is some. 02:22:11
Ambiguity. 02:22:13
There's also that crystal as well. Yeah, I did a little bit. One of the main concerns that the public had in that area is getting. 02:22:14
Connection between Highland Drive and N Holiday Rd. 02:22:23
Start by complaints. That really narrows up right there by a power station. 02:22:26
So what to do with? The way to go by the way is. 02:22:32
Conversation. 02:22:35
The uses that stretch between. 02:22:37
Lower Holiday Hills and the village. 02:22:40
Really didn't propose to be changed too much from office. 02:22:43
There's not the situation. It's more than an into it since. 02:22:46
The more negligibility commercial situation. 02:22:50
Those are something I. 02:22:54
Hi, Mariana said. Remember that came out from those suspects. I remember. 02:22:55
Means your point about Office appropriate development for office. 02:23:00
Not retail, that's. 02:23:04
You get over that, yeah. 02:23:06
It's a. This is working fine. 02:23:07
You try to confuses them right now. 02:23:10
We just don't want to see a lot of. 02:23:12
More intensity. 02:23:14
Especially in traffic. 02:23:16
So we have needs for parking. 02:23:17
Bryanna Bitecorn. 02:23:21
Guns it or hiding it from here down on the bike. 02:23:23
Thanks anyway. Yeah, I used to do that. 02:23:27
Well, McCann. 02:23:31
And I'm talking about classically and trail connections. You know there's still. 02:23:35
He's brought up a conversation of using. 02:23:40
Sidewalks versus in out trails versus, you know, separated trail situations. 02:23:44
We haven't heard a lot because. 02:23:48
Based upon those situations. 02:23:50
People prefer one way or another. 02:23:52
So we've we've modified slightly the way that sidewalks. 02:23:55
Addressed in the general plan, especially as new construction happens. 02:24:00
And let's send them ambiguous and when we apply those areas. 02:24:05
And then I didn't make sense. 02:24:09
Requiring sidewalks where they just simply have to. 02:24:12
Anywhere. 02:24:15
Wine Millions of mounds sleep with festive struggle. 02:24:17
So we've modified that slightly. We can get into that once it gets to. 02:24:22
OK. Well, thanks. I think that's helpful. It gives us an idea of what's coming down the Pike. 02:24:30
So I think we're still planning on the 20th for public hearing and. 02:24:37
For vote the next did we have we decided well we were thinking the public hearing on the. 02:24:41
Could we not run on the? 02:24:49
Blair But I don't know, I don't know what is the Planning Commission going to approve the? 02:24:51
Well, we're getting to them a draft by Tuesday. 02:24:58
Danette Draft. 02:25:02
Hopefully they. 02:25:04
Be able to make recommendations for the. 02:25:06
Yeah. Well, I mean, I still don't think it's going to be. 02:25:10
A very controversial document for the Council to. 02:25:13
To review. So if you're ready by the six, that's great. 02:25:16
And then the 20th. 02:25:20
Yeah, we'd be fine either way. 02:25:26
Because we're going to have to have one council meeting in December. 02:25:27
So we're playing again, too. 02:25:31
The 4th and 11th and 11th. 02:25:32
So if as one subject, we have. 02:25:36
I wonder. 02:25:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah, either right on Tuesday. 02:25:42
OK. Well, thank you very much. I'd love to let you go on. 02:25:47
Helene still there? 02:25:56
Thanks so much. Appreciate it. 02:25:58
They traveled. Thanks, Jim. 02:26:00
Good to see you again and thanks to Paul and Emily for your work on this. 02:26:03
Steering committee was amazing. Yeah, like. 02:26:07
I'll start. 02:26:11
There's an issue. 02:26:12
It would be bigger for them. 02:26:16
Maybe our lives easier. 02:26:20
We can just test things out and think. 02:26:23
More of this, a little less than that. 02:26:27
Yeah. Wait, hold on. 02:26:28
OK. Well, thank you all again. Thanks so much. Thanks for coming. 02:26:31
I guess it's the justice. This will be really brief. First of all, I have to apologize. 02:26:39
We had a little this communication and I thought that a proposed contract was in the gaming packet. It was not. 02:26:45
I'll just summarize on a pretty high level. 02:26:54
What the what we're proposing? 02:26:57
And then you'll see it hopefully for approval on the 6th. 02:27:00
What we are hoping to do with Brighton is a little different than the kind of contract structure we have. 02:27:05
With Cottonwood Heights and Mill Creek. 02:27:12
Both of those contracts are kind of the line by line through the budget. What is included in a? 02:27:15
They are expenses. 02:27:22
What is not included and it has this. 02:27:24
Fairly complicated way. 02:27:28
That we look at their revenue to make sure that we're full. 02:27:30
What we're proposing in this agreement, given that. 02:27:34
The numbers are much lower. We want to test out a different approach, one that it has been used on a couple of sitting in the 02:27:38
Davis County are using this kind of approach which is basically. 02:27:44
We get we keep 50% of the revenue that is generated by. 02:27:51
Brighten and. 02:27:57
And then return to them. 02:27:59
The other 50% and that's meant to cover their share of our staff. 02:28:02
And then all of our regular administrative costs. 02:28:08
And then we build out of. 02:28:11
Separately and directly for their prosecutor services that is based on. 02:28:13
What actually happens? 02:28:19
And the same with innovative defense. So there's no. 02:28:21
Thought that one community might be subsidizing another community. 02:28:25
I think their caseload is such that that will be pretty manageable for both the prosecutor and. 02:28:30
Defender to provide to us. 02:28:37
And and this will be a way for us to see whether this kind of approach that really airs the most expensive cost directly. 02:28:40
Would work for both Cottonwood Heights and Elm Creek. 02:28:50
So that's what we're proposing, I'm sure that philosophy with. 02:28:53
Carolee Cleveland's heading us up for writing and with their attorneys. 02:28:58
For example projection to that. 02:29:03
And so. 02:29:06
That that would be. 02:29:08
They will be OK with that concept. 02:29:10
Wanted to make sure before it was presented to you though that. 02:29:12
You look good with that concept as far. 02:29:16
It's essentially then. 02:29:19
The direct. 02:29:21
Variable costing the. 02:29:23
Prosecuting defense, that just goes to the off the top, right? 02:29:24
And then there. 02:29:28
The half of the revenue piece, essentially. 02:29:29
Their contribution were at fixed costs. That's right. 02:29:32
Chancellor, San Francisco. 02:29:36
I think all we care about is that. 02:29:38
The staff feels like they can handle it and that just not going to cuffs this moment. 02:29:41
And that's the goal. 02:29:46
Christian, you know. 02:29:47
OK, OK. 02:29:49
Just very quickly before we adjourn, I just wanted to. 02:29:51
All right, let me just come back from San Francisco. Holly, Gina and Christian, myself and Mara and. 02:29:55
I've never done it before, but I'll. 02:30:03
How much they got working? It went well and. 02:30:05
I hope they get it. 02:30:07
Peace of Mind writing, and I think we'll find out in the next 10 days or so. 02:30:08
So that was good. 02:30:13
I know that the hell was. 02:30:15
Tom, sorry. 02:30:16
Following event on Saturday, right? Is it 2:30 to 4:00? 02:30:18
2:00 to. 4:32 to. 4:30 to 2:00 to. 02:30:23
If anybody wants to be fun event, I understand. 02:30:26
238. 02:30:32
430 OK. 02:30:34
So, umm. 02:30:36
Yeah, if anybody wants to bring. 02:30:37
The grandkid or things or whatever. 02:30:39
Under that be back here. 02:30:41
I guess Anne got twice as many businesses, Let's just stand last year. So that should be. 02:30:43
And UPD got their event set up in the basement tomorrow, but I think that's just for. 02:30:48
UPD Family mortgage doesn't important. 02:30:52
They're going to keep it for us. 02:30:57
Very smart and then? 02:31:01
Interfaith Council is the 16th at 1:00, the Junior Act, so for those that are interested, it's going to be a great program again. 02:31:03
Great way to kick off the holidays. 02:31:10
Anything else in the next? 02:31:12
Yes. 02:31:15
Sorry, November 18th, we have to have a quick. 02:31:18
Campus meeting after the election. 02:31:21
So again, we'll do that 5-10 minute chemistry usually. 02:31:22
Or 430? Yeah. 02:31:27
Yeah. 02:31:29
So I'll send you guys a reminder calendar invite about that. 02:31:30
Never mind. 02:31:45
All right, it's the most. 02:31:48
Anything else? 02:31:50
All in favor. 02:31:50
I don't know. Thank you. 02:31:54
Oh, how's the 6th looking? Is it going? 02:31:57